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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Weird to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number seven.

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Speaker 1: Today we're gonna be talking about hunting and managing for

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Speaker 1: mature white tails, and joining us is Lee and Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Lakowski of the Outdoor Channels Crushed TV with Lee and Tiffany.

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Speaker 1: You are not going to want to miss this, so

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Speaker 1: stick around, settle in, and enjoy it. Alright, good afternoon,

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt Nation. My cost Dan Johnson and I

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Speaker 1: are very excited today for this podcast because joining us

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Speaker 1: are two of the most well known figures in the

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Speaker 1: white tail hunting world. Lee and Tiffany Lakowski, Welcome to

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Speaker 1: the show. Guys. Hey, it's good to be here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: great to be here. Yeah. We really appreciate you guys

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Speaker 1: taking the time to join us. How you guys doing

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Speaker 1: this afternoon? We are doing awesome. Actually, we just I

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Speaker 1: just picked that leaf from the field. He's trying to

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Speaker 1: get his corner and trying to catch up on a

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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff because of course we've been turning hunting yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just like, you gotta run down here with the

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Speaker 1: ranger because I'm not gonna make it back with the tractors.

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Speaker 1: Are We just just literally walked in the door. Nice. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you finding the time for sure. How many acres?

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Speaker 1: How many acres do you have to plant? Lee? Well,

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Speaker 1: like food plot wise, it's about four and five hundred,

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Speaker 1: dependent on you know, the clover fields that you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're redoing some of those are the ones that

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Speaker 1: carry over. You know that you keep them for four

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Speaker 1: and five years. But you know, I think all the

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Speaker 1: food pots together, you know, it's probably around five hundred,

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Speaker 1: but I probably have at least a hundred acres the

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Speaker 1: clover so I probably am planting each year around four hundred.

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Speaker 1: And then we have you know, a real crop stuff

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Speaker 1: that we just started taking over to We used to

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Speaker 1: just lease that output. There's probably three or four hundred

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Speaker 1: So it's getting to be bigger and bigger. From the

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Speaker 1: six little food plots that I had behind our house.

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Speaker 1: And we first started acres to plant years ago, I

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Speaker 1: was an acre. So it's grown fast, that's for sure. Jeez.

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Speaker 1: I have two acres of food plots I need to manage,

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Speaker 1: and I'm intimidated by just that, so I don't even

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Speaker 1: know how you manage. Yeah, it's not very well drowned.

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Speaker 1: We have like ten different farms in three different counties.

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Speaker 1: So if it was all one spot, not so bad.

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Speaker 1: But just moving equipment and just to all the logistics

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Speaker 1: to the next spot and it might reign over there

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Speaker 1: and then you got to keep moving around it and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we get it all done somehow. Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine, But I guess a bad day

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Speaker 1: on the actors still better than a good day in

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Speaker 1: the office, right, all right, right, all right. Well that said,

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Speaker 1: we've got a lot we're hoping to talk about today,

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Speaker 1: so if you guys don't mind us thinking, we can

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Speaker 1: dive right into it. So, so, Lee and Tiffany, I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you've heard this before, but you know, the biggest

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Speaker 1: complaint that we hear about hunting TV shows and the

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Speaker 1: hunting media in general is that the scenarios and circumstances

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Speaker 1: shown aren't realistic for most average hunters out there, and

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Speaker 1: in some cases this might be true. But with that said,

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Speaker 1: I've got a hunch that there's still a lot that

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Speaker 1: avid white to hunters can learn from you and your experiences,

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Speaker 1: regardless of how different your circumstances might be from theirs.

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Speaker 1: So that said, we wanted to frame our conversation today

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Speaker 1: around this idea. You know, how would you Lee Tiffany

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Speaker 1: Lakowski hunt if you weren't Lee and Tiffany the Outdoor

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Speaker 1: Channel stars, if you didn't have the great Land in Iowa,

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Speaker 1: the sponsored gear, the cross country trips. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you have the same hand of cards dealt to you

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Speaker 1: as one of our listeners, how would you go about

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Speaker 1: hunting mature deer? So that's kind of the overall theme

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Speaker 1: and idea of what we're hoping to explore today. But well,

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Speaker 1: um And really, you know, for us, it's we were

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Speaker 1: how specifically you were, you know, hunting those deer in Minnesota.

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Speaker 1: When you're just start just first getting started. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's just there's a lot of people that I want

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Speaker 1: go to a hot offense. You can't come to my

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Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's it's basically it's hard work

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota when I didn't have anything. You know, there

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Speaker 1: it's kind of like baiting all these food bots and

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Speaker 1: that's that's really the biggest key to being successful, whether

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Speaker 1: just try to get pictures of them. But then you

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00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 1: A offered me a lot of times. Once they get

428
00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 1: pictures of all of them, then maybe that's those cameras back,

429
00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: just a couple of just to kind of get progressive

430
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,040
Speaker 1: pictures of them. But you know, once I know they're there,

431
00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: then they don't really need to keep keep after them,

432
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,480
Speaker 1: you know that just kind of yeah, I'll go check

433
00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:26,119
Speaker 1: those cameras, you know, maybe once a week at least,

434
00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,919
Speaker 1: but you know, I don't need so many cameras, so

435
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,679
Speaker 1: it just kind of dependent. You know, we run a

436
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:32,560
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of cameras that we have a

437
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 1: lot of little food plots too, you know, like for

438
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,480
Speaker 1: each you know, I have one feer for every acres

439
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,360
Speaker 1: on these farms, but you know, might have those big

440
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: bean fields feet are in, but I've also got you know,

441
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 1: ten little food plots that are like an acre or

442
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: two acres or something that don't have them on them,

443
00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 1: So I'll have cameras and all those because just don't know,

444
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 1: you know where one of your big deer is going

445
00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:59,600
Speaker 1: to be hanging out, because they're not always hanging out

446
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: in a beam feel it could be a hang out

447
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 1: every night in a two acre clover field. So it

448
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of depends, but you know, you

449
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 1: you you just kind of look at your situation, what

450
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 1: you've got. You know, in the summertimes have beenn't really

451
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,200
Speaker 1: pay to have anything in the timber. It's you're gonna

452
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: want it, you know out in the fields where where

453
00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: the deer showing up that you know that you can

454
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: pinpoint them. I'm going to change the subject here just

455
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 1: a little bit and talk about management as in regards

456
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: to your properties are concerned. Um, you know you got

457
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: you have food plots, you have good cover, and I

458
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840
Speaker 1: take it you've you've gone in there and made a

459
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,360
Speaker 1: mess of things and provided you know, thick, nasty cover

460
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: for them. And and from what I've seen on the show,

461
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,560
Speaker 1: you're passing giants mature deer, so you have a good

462
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 1: age structure that's allowing you to do that. What's what's

463
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 1: the tip or or some advice you can give to

464
00:22:55,880 --> 00:23:00,880
Speaker 1: a landowner who's looking to maybe resemble what you have.

465
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: What's what's a good management tip to provide? Well, it's

466
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 1: for me. And the first thing when I when I

467
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 1: first started buying property, was always you know, you know,

468
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,879
Speaker 1: come from Minnesota, it was always all timber. You know

469
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,680
Speaker 1: where I especially when I hunted when I was a kid,

470
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 1: is in northern Minnesota where there was no field. When

471
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: I got them, I moved that I was everything that

472
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: we looked at. How it's how you needed, you know,

473
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: big timber and that it's went in with a dozer

474
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 1: and doze in the food plots. But you know, the

475
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 1: longer we've been here, the more I realized that, you know,

476
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 1: there's many deer living the CRP fields and everything as well.

477
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: So I kind of even to start with, and I

478
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 1: look for farms there maybe a fifty fifty you know

479
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: timber to fields, and a lot of those fields aren't

480
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: gonna be crop fields. A lot of will be big

481
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,639
Speaker 1: DRP fields. And you know a lot of the CRP

482
00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: here was all just in browne grass that we you know,

483
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 1: burn it and kill it and take it all out

484
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 1: and put into a mixture of a big blue stem

485
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: and uh, you know switch grass and some you know

486
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: native grasses like that that are you know, some warm

487
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: seats and grasses. So, um, that's the kind of a

488
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:09,960
Speaker 1: big part of it is, if you know, it kind

489
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: of kinds a new property. But to get that tall

490
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 1: grass stuff in there. Boy, the deers love laying in that.

491
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: And that's where we find so many of the sheds too,

492
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,800
Speaker 1: because you know, in the wintertime it's still covering there,

493
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: but the sun can get in there. So they lay

494
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 1: in that in that grass more than the timber even

495
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: going to get the sun on them. So and you know,

496
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,199
Speaker 1: the first thing, like I said, is you know, if

497
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: you got if you're looking at a piece of probably

498
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359
Speaker 1: don't have some already. That's about fifty fifty is about

499
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 1: what I like to look at. And then as far

500
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: as food, you know, get I get as much as

501
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: I can in these places. Um, just you know, because

502
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: every farm is different. But you know I always thought that, well,

503
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: I you could have too much, but you really can't.

504
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we have fields that are even you know

505
00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: if they're and forty acres that would just put in

506
00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: into you into food plots. And when you first started

507
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 1: that man is way too much and there was you know,

508
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: food left over. But as the years go by, that

509
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: number of deer just grow exponentially, especially in late season

510
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: because now even if we have a thirty acre field

511
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: stuybeans are are corn, it will never make it to March,

512
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: will always be gone. And just because in tracts more

513
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: and more deer, and you just figure that's what you

514
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of want as a hunter in your farm, and

515
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 1: you just want to keep attracting those deer. And that's

516
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: the one time late season that you can get you know,

517
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: your neighbor's deer. You When it comes to your food plots,

518
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,879
Speaker 1: is there a strategy around where you place them or

519
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: are you just looking for wherever you can get a

520
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 1: plot in I'm curious about about what your strategy is there.

521
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: Um it's kind of both. Um some of them, Like

522
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: in our timber um, like the first time we have

523
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: just like a big piece of timber, and so we

524
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: really you know, walked it on, looked at all the

525
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: aerial maps and stuff, and a big part of it

526
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: is looking at the soil fields and there's you get

527
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: the it's soil types on the you know those books

528
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 1: for that even under the timber, so you know, you

529
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: hate to go in and spend times, you know, with

530
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 1: a dozer and everything and find you just have a

531
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 1: bunch of clay under there and you can't. Yeah, we've

532
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 1: done that, So pay to look at your soil first

533
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: and see what even in the timber would has decent

534
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 1: enough soil to plant in. But so we looked at

535
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: bad a lot and then any of the like natural

536
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: funnels through there. Like we have a big creek systems

537
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 1: through a lot a lot of our farms, and that

538
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: one our first farm in particular. But there's places where

539
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: we had big you know, where the curves in the

540
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 1: creek and make big banks that you know, too steep

541
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,479
Speaker 1: for a deer to go down, and people you know,

542
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: so you knew that they were following the creek, they

543
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: couldn't weren't going to cross right there. So that's where

544
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 1: we put food pots right there. And just even because

545
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: there's a big piece of timber, you know, the first

546
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: piece that we had was acres of solid timber, and

547
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 1: it was like, well, where would be how do you

548
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: how do you hunt it? So much? You know, because

549
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 1: there's oaks everywhere, there's acorns on every ridge, so how

550
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: do you hunt that? So that's what we did. We found, okay,

551
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: where can I get some natural kind of pinch points

552
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,439
Speaker 1: that they're walking the creeks and then cross anywhere except

553
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: for these areas. They can't cross here because it's you know,

554
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: a steep, really steep bank. So that's where we put

555
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: you know, food pots. We'd leave the timber in between

556
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: the creek bed and and and the food pot, and

557
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,200
Speaker 1: then we went into doze. Those some areas out and

558
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,000
Speaker 1: they're not you know, really they're not big fields in

559
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: the timber, you know, just um you know, was the

560
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: smallest one that's probably a half an acre, and our

561
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 1: biggest one there maybe three or four acres in the timber.

562
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: But really it wasn't that much work. You know, it

563
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: was a couple of thousand dollars worth of uh, you

564
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: know time for something to come up with a doz

565
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 1: or in you know, really over times, that's probably been

566
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 1: our best spent money that we've ever had, ever spent

567
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: because it's really not that expensive and it really doesn't

568
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: take all that much time in the whole scheme of things.

569
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: But that's our strategy. There were just pinch points, natural

570
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: funnels in the timber, so where it was gonna funnel

571
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 1: deer down anyway, and then you have food there to

572
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: stop them and you know, to get them coming in there.

573
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 1: So that was our first strategy, was that signs natural

574
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: just geographic um pinch points and then put our food

575
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: pots in there. It's really funnel deer into the food pots.

576
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: So where um you know, where we can get shots

577
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: at them and just to see them see them in there.

578
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: And then other than that, a lot of it like

579
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: in our fields and our CRP graphs you got up

580
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: the CPU and percent of that. In the food pots.

581
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: It was basically just looking you know where it's available,

582
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: put food wherever we could, and you know, of course

583
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna want them. And if you have a big

584
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: CRP field, you want them in inside corners and things

585
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: like that would be naturally naturally come out where it's

586
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: easy to get equipment into and things like that. So

587
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's there's definitely strategy that you know where

588
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: you where you want to put those fields, but you

589
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: know in the big scheme and thinks a lot of

590
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: our a lot of our times, just wherever we can. Yeah,

591
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Now, one other question kind of related,

592
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: how about entry and exit to your stands um and

593
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: how that relates to your food sources and different habitat improvements.

594
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: Is that something you guys really think about before making

595
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: any changes to the property or do you kind of

596
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: adjust your entry and exit based on where you need

597
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 1: to put the food, you know, given the different criteria

598
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: you already mentioned. Yeah, I mean that's that's very important.

599
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: And we have farms here that I never even had

600
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: a stand in the timber for two and three years

601
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: until I really felt that I knew the property and

602
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: what how the deer moved inside the timber. And I'm

603
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: really fanatical about that. But that's why you'll see most

604
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: of our stands are on food plots. And during the rut,

605
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: we'll get in the timber, you know, quite a bit,

606
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: but most of the time it's on food plots. And yeah,

607
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: the reason for that is we go all year long,

608
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: all year long, we are in those fields. Once a

609
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: week at least we're in there checking cameras and checking

610
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: my feeders, just make sure that they're filled. And you've

611
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: learned this from at Tippy's mom's house. We have a

612
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: we put a feeder out in front of our house

613
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, when it's only d yards it

614
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: left in right in front of her house. When we

615
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 1: first put that out there, you get deer coming in.

616
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: I get two in the morning, but if you drove,

617
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, if you even walk by the windows, they'd run.

618
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: But now after five years of that being out there,

619
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: I mean there's deer out there almost all day long.

620
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: I mean you can, especially differing his mom, she can,

621
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: she can drive right in about any time. The deer

622
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: don't even run. And we'd let our dogs out, and

623
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, the deer just kind of you know, they'll

624
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: move ten yards and then come right back. So they've

625
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: gotten used to us being there. And and you know

626
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: that from you know how many deer live in the

627
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 1: city limits, and and they get used to people. I mean,

628
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 1: I think you wanted to every day work on it,

629
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: you could probably eventually start seeding those deer out of

630
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: your hands. So you know, they're they're very adaptive. And

631
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: so that's where I think we always used to talk

632
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: about to keep everything totally low pressure, low impact, but

633
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't really feel that way anymore. I think where

634
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: we have so much success on the big deer broad daylight,

635
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, not even up against camera lights, is that

636
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: we are going almost every week. I mean my food pots,

637
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: checking cameras and checking feeders and checking the fields. And

638
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 1: a lot of times with the feeders are in those footpots,

639
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: and so I'll go up and i would check them,

640
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: hit the button, shake it, make sure that we've you know,

641
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: there's corn in there, and and that sugar be crreshed.

642
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: I'll bring bags out and put it out, and you

643
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: can see on the cameras that so many times, even

644
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: five minutes after I'm gone, he will be right in

645
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: there checking because I'll usually run the feeder a little

646
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: bit just to make sure that it's still working that

647
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: kind of spin ones and and things. So really my

648
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: presence there nine months out of the year to them

649
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: is positive for him. It's always kind of associated with food.

650
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: But then when we get to the hunting season, it's

651
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. We hunted the same way

652
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: we do all summer. Maybe once a week we'll go

653
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: to that farm, might hit that field once, and then

654
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: the next day you get another field, and the next

655
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: next day another farm. And so really in a twelve

656
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: month period to a deer, it never changes for us.

657
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's not like these deer just totally untouched.

658
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: They have the run of the whole place for nine

659
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: months long and then all of a sudden, unting season

660
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: comes from Bam. Somebody's in there every day and they

661
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: know something is different, but WHOA, there's people in here

662
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know. So I think that, um,

663
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: the biggest strategy on stuff is it's not a lack

664
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: of pressure, but it's consistent pressure throughout the year. Deer

665
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: get used to that, and that's where we're hunting field

666
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: edges a lot of times. And when we first came

667
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: down here and we first started hunting, I mean, we

668
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 1: were always up against camera lights, um. And then you know,

669
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: like those days and the cameras where you lose like

670
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes before our actual shooting light was over,

671
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: and we were always up against it. I can't say

672
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: how many deer we just couldn't shoot peop were out

673
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: of camera lights. And now we got six seven year

674
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: old deer out at three o'clock and afternoon, you know,

675
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: out seating because there they've never been, never really been

676
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,839
Speaker 1: bothered in the sense that we're there once a week

677
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: all the time. So and they don't associate us with danger,

678
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: you know, for those nine months. So when you get

679
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: to hunting season, it's just it's leader kicking again. They

680
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: get a snoutfull of us every day, you know, so

681
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: they're not all that concerned with us the differences. It's

682
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: not like they're not gonna run when we go out

683
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: in the field. But so we don't pay any attention

684
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: to send control or anything all summer long. I mean

685
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: we're running the feeders and our camera. Anything else is

686
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: make sure they get a snoutfall of us every day.

687
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: But then when again comes to hunting season, then we're

688
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 1: just fanatics about it because so many times we'll have

689
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: deer get down wind of us, and of course they'll

690
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: smell you. I mean they'll do the head bob and

691
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: they'll do all the whole routine. But the differences when

692
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: you do everything, it's like your dog when you go

693
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: peasant hunting, it's there will be present tracks all over there,

694
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: pay no attention to it. And also get on one

695
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: track and he will be going and they'll be going crazy,

696
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: and they know when it's been it's been just right here.

697
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: But the same thing that you don't need to fool them.

698
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: You just need them to think that you're at two

699
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: yards instead of twenty or that you were there an

700
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: hour ago and not sitting there right now. And uh,

701
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,439
Speaker 1: and that's what we did to get away with so much,

702
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: and that's why hunt the fields. But our timber is

703
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: basically other outside of shed season. That is kind of

704
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: awful and that everyone says you have a sanctuary. Yeah,

705
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: our timbers are sanctuary. And so you know when you

706
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: go in the fields, they'll run off the fields. If

707
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: I go in there, like this morning when I went

708
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: into her and R. Smith started to go playing corn.

709
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: There's thirties here in there. But they'll run off to

710
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: the edges. But they'll let's come right back out as

711
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: soon as you leave. But if you start going into

712
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: the timber, you know which is their safe spot? Now

713
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: there you said, going to timber, and all the often

714
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: to run out onto your neighbor's property. So they always

715
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: have to express and I always feel like they have

716
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 1: to have a safe spot then go to and they're

717
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: not gonna go far. Now, let's come back out. So

718
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: we don't really hunt the timber that much other than

719
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: like the ruts. And but then it takes me. You

720
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: can take us, you know what I said two and

721
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: three years even to really figure out how the deer moving,

722
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: where they're bed, and how we can get in and

723
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: out without without you know, spooking them so much. But

724
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes you just have to get in there

725
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: when it's the right You just have to get in

726
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: and sit and hope for the best. But you know,

727
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: we certainly aren't hunting a hundred days in the timbers

728
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: for hunting, you know, a hundred days in a row

729
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: with ninety of those days and ninety five of them

730
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 1: will be on those fields. Because you know, that's the

731
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: advantage that we have is just said that we have

732
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 1: time on our side that you know, we'll see stuff.

733
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:54,879
Speaker 1: You know, I got friends to come down to help

734
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: me put stands up and man, this is the way

735
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: you gotta be. Look at the spot right here and yep.

736
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: But all the day I want to shoot, I'm going

737
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: to catch them e mentually in the in the food box.

738
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: So why go in there and start blowing them out

739
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: of there? And you know, disrupting things? And for me,

740
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: the biggest thing is not that they're not going to

741
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: come back, but you go in and blow them out

742
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 1: onto your neighbors, and your neighbor shoots it or somebody

743
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: just want to keep them comfortable on our farms and

744
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: in the in the timber and uh, you know, shoot

745
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: on the field as much as I can. But of

746
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: course you know that we shoot a lot of them

747
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: in the timber cube during the rut. But it takes

748
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of uh, you know, work

749
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get in and out and

750
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: how to get them past you where they're not said

751
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: it right by you, you know too, so when you

752
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 1: get out, you you spook them out of there. Ideally

753
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: you when I'm coming from somebody's going to somebody's and

754
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: catching them in the middle. So it takes us a

755
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: while to figure that out because every farmer is different.

756
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: There's no thing that you can say, hey, this is

757
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: what you need to do, because every situation is different,

758
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: every farmer is different. So it takes me a while

759
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: to figure that out. But that's kind of our sta

760
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: ategy is it's not no pressure, man. You don't have

761
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: to have consistent pressure all year. If you look at

762
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin, you know, and they've got you know, when

763
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: the opening day a rifle season is the national holiday.

764
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: But you know, all those deers and there all of

765
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: a sudden the first day of a season in Wisconsin

766
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: hits and that pumpkin patch comes out in the two

767
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: million hundreds in the field, those deer know it. I mean,

768
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 1: day two is totally different than day one, and that's

769
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: what you want to avoid. So that's where I think

770
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: the consistent pressure all year long is will really work

771
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: for us. So they are not spooked of us being

772
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: in the field because they we have been in the

773
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: field for nine months in a row here once or

774
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: twice a week, and they're always associating us with food,

775
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: you know, it's always a positive thing, you know, So

776
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: they're not that spooked of us. So when we get

777
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: the hunting season same way, just once or twice a

778
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: week maybe in there, so to them, the pressure never changes.

779
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: It's always the same. And that's probably the biggest you

780
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: know saying that we've learned since since we started buying

781
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: property and hunting our own places that you do not

782
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: want no pressure on it. You want consistent year round pressure.

783
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 1: That's that's really interesting. It's definitely a different idea, but

784
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I can see how it works given you know your circumstances.

785
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: That makes you know, all the sense in the world

786
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: is that is that conditioning um But I'm curious if

787
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: we flip the script a little bit and look at

788
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: kind of hypothetical because I'm curious about what your kind

789
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 1: of process and mindset is. You mentioned this a little

790
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: bit about learning new farms. UM. So let's say hypothetically,

791
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: you know, tomorrow you have no hunting land anymore that

792
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: you own. They take it all away from you, and

793
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: now you have let's say a random eighty acre piece

794
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: of private ground, UM that you just have permission to hunt.

795
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: You can't do any management. UM maybe egg and timber.

796
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: Like you said, I'm curious, you know, what would your

797
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: mindset be and your process for for figuring out how

798
00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: to hunt that this coming fall. Well, the first thing

799
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 1: would be aerials, you know, you just go to the

800
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 1: area of photos and and look and math I've always

801
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 1: had before before we bought any farms that have the aerials,

802
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 1: and then that have a you know, transparency overlay with um.

803
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's all the structures on it, so you

804
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: can see where the hills and and where it was

805
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: steep and where it wasn't and and all that, so

806
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 1: you can kind of put together the structure of of

807
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: the timber, you know as well. So that would always

808
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 1: help as far as like where your pinpoints and it

809
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: ain't are, but you always you know, anytime we've done

810
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: a lot, I mean we'd go just knock on doors

811
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,479
Speaker 1: places that we'd hunt in Iowa. Um, you know we'd

812
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: have a farm set up down here. Well, I mean

813
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: this is way back when I was in high school.

814
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: You know, we'd come down here and go to a

815
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: public place and the deer when we're moving, you wouldn't

816
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 1: see anything. You just go set knocking on doors. You

817
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:55,760
Speaker 1: get a farm, you just go to you know, Google

818
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: Earth and look at the mass and you just started

819
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: from scratch. So you always just start from the from

820
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: the outside and go in look at the field and

821
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: you go look at them in the evenings or never

822
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: in deer or coming out, and always inside corner of

823
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: the field or something like, let's start there, you know,

824
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: even if when we're even it's during hunting seasons, just

825
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: pomped up a stand in the field that you know

826
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: on the inside corners or places that just look likely

827
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, that are away from the roads and where

828
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: from where people can see them. If it's you know,

829
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: if there's a road along the edge, get back in

830
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: the back corner where you know, you can't see from

831
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: the road whatever, and start there, and then we would

832
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: just watch, dear and see, okay, where are they coming out? Okay,

833
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 1: say and this is just dear. It doesn't have to

834
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: even be bucking in the doughs, you know, take it.

835
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: Where are they coming out? Okay, let's move stands over

836
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: those trails and then and then you'd then you start

837
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: working your way in. You know, if you weren't seeing

838
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 1: in the bigger bucks and me think, well, maybe they're

839
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: just not getting there until dark, then you might just

840
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: go fixt d yards down those trails and you know,

841
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: but you you map that up with your toples though,

842
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 1: and see, okay, is there any structure there that looks

843
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: like it might be funneling them around something or you know,

844
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 1: something that would give you a hint, uhs which way

845
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: they're coming from. And if there's not, then we would

846
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 1: just move in a hundred yards and see what see

847
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: where we happened that what we saw, and we just

848
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: that's the way that we always work. It would just

849
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: from the outside and going in and just learning as

850
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: you went. And I said, somebody took everything that we

851
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: have a way right now and you only had eight

852
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: to hunt. That's the way I would do it. Um.

853
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 1: You know, you just look at areas and try to

854
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: and figure that out. But if it happened today, it

855
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: would be a lot different because that be getting cameras

856
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: out and I would I would go in there and

857
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,479
Speaker 1: I'd walk the timber. Right now, even though it's leased

858
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: up and and everything you can do, you cant they

859
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:48,879
Speaker 1: were looking for my shoes right now? Yeah, you can.

860
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: You know, you can still learn a lot right now

861
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: and see where rugs are and trails are and all

862
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, you know, um, because like I said,

863
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: our deer we've gotten pretty conditioned to be not so

864
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: afraid of us. And you know now that we've had

865
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: a lot of these farms for ten years. You know,

866
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: even our oldest bucks grew up fonds here knowing that

867
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: a Le and Tiffany here all the time. They're feeding us.

868
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: They're you know, they're not really associating us with danger

869
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 1: for most of the year. So those you know, we've

870
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: got bigger deer. Um, our oldest deer will be out

871
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: so many times in broad daylight, but on a you know,

872
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: on a brand new piece, you can't count on that

873
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: because you haven't really conditioned them all year long. So

874
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: if you live nearby, you'd be way better. I'm going

875
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 1: in once a week with a bucket of corner or something,

876
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 1: putting a bucket of corner so they get the year

877
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: sent and and hey, it's always associated with something positive.

878
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: I put a camera right there. And if you could,

879
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,240
Speaker 1: you know, just do the whole summer, get them conditions

880
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: to you being there, and you're associated with food and

881
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: things that so when you start coming into hunting once

882
00:43:55,719 --> 00:44:01,839
Speaker 1: a week, they're not bam, turning nocturnal because somebody's coming

883
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: in there. But if you couldn't do that, but then

884
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: you know, you just you just have to do it.

885
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: You just have to be there. You just get lucky

886
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: enough to be there in the day that he's on

887
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: his feet, you know, in daylight and uh, you know

888
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: those things. Every farm again is different, but you'd look

889
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: at the topos and the aerials and figure out if

890
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: there's any internal funnels and you know, because you might

891
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 1: catch them in the timber in daylight more than on

892
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:34,280
Speaker 1: the field edges. And you know, we are almost always

893
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,759
Speaker 1: did back we you know, when a hundred Minnesota for sure,

894
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: but even on those lots of you knock on doors

895
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: during the season even and somebody lets you hunt. So

896
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 1: we'd start on the fields and work our way in,

897
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, on those trails that were the heaviest used.

898
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: Just start moving in on. I mean, once you got

899
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: into seventy five yards and hunted there, and see what

900
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: toys here are coming from? You know? All right, when

901
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: it comes from that way, I can move in a

902
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 1: little bit farther, you know, and U you know, then

903
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: those are places that you sat all day. Once you

904
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: moved in a couple of hundred yards on him. I

905
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: got a question regarding passing deer, all right, So in

906
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: two thousand ten, I passed a hundred fifty pointer. The

907
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: next year I passed, Uh, let's see a hundred and

908
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: eight pointer, and I about lost my mind. I called

909
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: myself stupid and and all these things, because it is

910
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 1: very hard. Now you're taking you guys are taking the

911
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: game to a whole new level because you can, Um,

912
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 1: how hard is it for you guys to pass a

913
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: Boone and Crockett caliber deer at maybe a four year old,

914
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: knowing that he has the potential to make that bigger

915
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: jump next year. UM, I would say it seems to

916
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: be me who half the time does passed some of

917
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: those giants. I mean, we've had some one year old

918
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: year olds that you know, hitless because Lee always says,

919
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: you know, those are one in a million deer. To

920
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 1: get those through to be four or five and six

921
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: years old, that's I mean, they could be just a

922
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: new record, I mean, and and not that we care

923
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: about a record, but I mean it's gotten where Lee's

924
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 1: like enjoys actually seeing them grow and to see like

925
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 1: what they can actually do, more so than obviously shooting him.

926
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: But I mean obviously we like to shoot him, but

927
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: it's like he just always want to see what they

928
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: can do. So I would say, like, it's it's actually

929
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: gotten where it's not very hard for me to pass

930
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 1: some of those younger deer that are high scoring because

931
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: I would much rather shoot a one forty six year

932
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: old eight point any day of the week than a

933
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: one seventy three and a half year old because it's

934
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: like when you walk up to that buck and it's

935
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: got the big head, you know, doing body, it just

936
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's just you know, it's a mature deer.

937
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: Is like nothing that beats that. And I have had

938
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: that feeling where I've shot a deer that I think

939
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: was big. You know, sometimes when they come running through

940
00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: the woods, they can catch you a little bit, especially

941
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: for me more suddenly, but and I walk up to

942
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, you know what, I get the

943
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: little skinny neck. They might have a big rock, but

944
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: they obviously look a lot bigger because they're they're young.

945
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: But I've gotten where it doesn't bother me a bit

946
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: to actually pass those high scoring deer when they're young.

947
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's not so much about the score as

948
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: it is about the age, you know, because we've passed

949
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: the deer they're probably in the one nineties that we're

950
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: young deer, and you're like, those are one in a million.

951
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 1: And unfortunately we've lost all those big deer like that

952
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: to neighbors because um, and you can't blame them, you know,

953
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: it's a still deer. But they're three year olds and

954
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: they're kind of the dumbest deer in the farms, you know,

955
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: because they're they're still getting pushed around by the older ones.

956
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: They want to be prime breeders, but they're not. There's

957
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,239
Speaker 1: enough old deer on top of them. So there on

958
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: therese are the ones that you rattle in you grunt,

959
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 1: they come running in. You know you're not doing that.

960
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: Six seven year old bucks aren't coming running in there.

961
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: You're rattling or do your grunt called like a two

962
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: and three year old is. So you know, we made

963
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: that mistake. When we first moved here, we were like, okay,

964
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna manage, I'm gona plant food pots,

965
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna, you know, give in. And I felt,

966
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: you know, okayy have we passed in a hundred thirty deer,

967
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 1: but they could have been you know, four in five

968
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: or six year old eight points and you thought you're

969
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: doing the right thing. And the first one sixteer and

970
00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 1: seventies that came in, we whacked them, and you know,

971
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 1: inevitably most of those were three year olds. And by

972
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,320
Speaker 1: the third year we had our farm, every ridge was

973
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: was run by an old, crappy eight point and they

974
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: run off every other good genetic deer we had, you know,

975
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: the young ones. And they're like, well that is terrible management,

976
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: you know, passing the poor genetic deer and shooting our good, young,

977
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: great genetic deer. So, like I said, it's all is

978
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: a learning experience, and you have to shoot some of

979
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: those younger deer in those one fifties and forties and

980
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: and things can get that out of your systems. Okay,

981
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm ready to move on. I've already done that. So

982
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: now we kind of do it strictly by age. Some

983
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 1: of our deer that are my top deer on the

984
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: hit list that are like six and seven that just

985
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: keep getting passes. They're not high scoring beer per se.

986
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,040
Speaker 1: Like we have a deer with Starbucks, so you've got

987
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: two huge brow tigns. He doesn't have a whole bunch

988
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: else going on. He was just an eight point but

989
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: just he just put a little fours this year. But

990
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:23,240
Speaker 1: you know, he may be high fifties to sixties maybe,

991
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: but he's like number one on our hit list, and

992
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 1: because he's gonna be six, and we have a lot

993
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: of history with him and you've watched them growth since

994
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: he was two years old. But you know, he'll be

995
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: on our hitless way ahead of We have some good

996
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: young I'm not trying to particularly good twelve point that's

997
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: down there. That the three last year that was probably

998
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 1: in the seventies, so you know, you wouldn't even think

999
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: twice about passing him. He's like, no, I mean he's

1000
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 1: got great to next. We need to let him get

1001
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: to five no matter what. And you know, the deer

1002
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: that are five and six already, they might be number

1003
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: one on our hitlists, and even so not near the

1004
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 1: highest scoring deer. But you know, we've just gotten the

1005
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: point where it's like we want to see all our

1006
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 1: good genetic deer reached the potential, especially those you know

1007
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: there's one nine year olds. I mean, some of those

1008
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: deer that were killed by neighbors, they could have literally

1009
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: been worldwide deer. I mean they are one in a million.

1010
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 1: They could have been that two and two sixties and

1011
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: maybe even high. They had all the potential for. You

1012
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: don't know how where they would have went with it,

1013
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: but I surely would have liked to have found out.

1014
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 1: But you know that just doesn't always happen, but that

1015
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: it's it's nice to get. It would be really nice

1016
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 1: to get one of those big ones through to you know,

1017
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,359
Speaker 1: five or six, because normally even to give them to four,

1018
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: then they're not so easy for the neighbors to kill

1019
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: because they just don't show themselves as much and they

1020
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: don't fall for they're rattling and and running so much

1021
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: that you know they've got those. They don't have to

1022
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: chase them. They don't. They're not running around like you know,

1023
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: like the two and three year olds are, so we

1024
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: can get them through the four that we normally can

1025
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: can hold hold them on the farms. But you know,

1026
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,319
Speaker 1: it's not so hard to pass on the scoring high

1027
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: scoring deer um if they're young. You know that we

1028
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 1: don't if it's a you know, if it's a five

1029
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: year old, dear, I don't care what if scores, we're

1030
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: not passing it generally, so you know, and it is

1031
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: hard because you'll see a lot of those young gear

1032
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: because those are the ones that are on their feet

1033
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: three and four's, you know, especially three, but that's you

1034
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: know a lot of people a man, how did you

1035
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 1: pass that? Dear? Is a hundred and seventy inchineer or

1036
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: sometimes even bigger than they like three. That makes it

1037
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: easy for us. But you know that, you know, a

1038
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: lot of times you lose those two neighbors, but a

1039
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 1: lot of times you don't. And so those are the

1040
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: ones that you just want to keep. You want to

1041
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 1: get them, you know, breathing, and you you know if

1042
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 1: you get them through the five, you reach their maximum potential.

1043
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 1: Plus they've been breeding those for the last you know,

1044
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: two and three years. That you just keep those genetics going. Yeah,

1045
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: knocking them out at three. Your neighbors ever send you

1046
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: thank you cards or like ply your driveways to say

1047
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: thanks for doing it? Didn't helps, So you know a

1048
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: lot of it, you know, you kind about neighbors. But

1049
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the neighbors had never even

1050
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,800
Speaker 1: seen one thirties or forties, even so they lived in Iowa,

1051
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: you know, because they just you know, they're not super serious.

1052
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 1: They just, you know, like most people, they just yeah,

1053
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 1: I enjoy hunting them and go and cheat one. So

1054
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: you know, they've never really seen that many big deer,

1055
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: you know on thirties and forties, and they you know,

1056
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,480
Speaker 1: I thought we were the jerk because you know, that

1057
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: was the place they used to hunt and they used

1058
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 1: to get thirty guys and drive it and define how

1059
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: they can't do it anymore. But see now every year

1060
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: all will never shoot any of our three year old

1061
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: or four year old, and so you've got a lot

1062
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: of those you know, older deer on top of them.

1063
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,959
Speaker 1: When the three year old hit four and they're ready

1064
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: to be prime breeders, and they have enough. You're on

1065
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: top of them. They're gonna push out onto the neighbors.

1066
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: And now our neighbors just all of a sudden shooting

1067
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: these one seventies in one sixties and one eighties and

1068
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: things like they've never had seen before. And they're I mean,

1069
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: some of these old timers have hunted here for fifty

1070
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 1: years and never seen dear like that, and now they're

1071
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: kind of seeing it there, you know, when they go

1072
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: shoot one seventy or one eighties type deer that they

1073
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: had never shot before. You know, they're pumped about it,

1074
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, because they're excited about it. Now they kind

1075
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 1: of get on board and they're kind of seeing It's like, man,

1076
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: we never saw a deer like this until we moved in,

1077
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: and now you know, we're pushing off. You know a

1078
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: good number of four year olds the year under the neighbors.

1079
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: So they're kind of getting on board because it's just

1080
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,320
Speaker 1: like I said, once they once they shoot one of

1081
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: those big ones and it's like, well, I don't now

1082
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: a one thirties doesn't seem so you know, it doesn't

1083
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: seem so great to me anymore because we're seeing a

1084
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: lot more big ones, so then they kind of get

1085
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: on board. So I think a lot of them kind

1086
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: of realized that, hey, the management does work, and they

1087
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: you know, they saw it first hand, and so now

1088
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: they kind of get on board too. So it helps.

1089
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: You know, we have some good neighbors and are mostly

1090
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: good neighbor a couple of bad ones, but you know,

1091
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 1: most of them in general are excited about you know,

1092
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: once you talk to them, and then once the deer

1093
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: that they're seeing, and you know, they get on board,

1094
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: and it kind of helps the whole area. You know,

1095
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: get those deer, you know, to a whole another egg

1096
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: structure on them. Oh yeah, okay, Well enough of like

1097
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: the strategy type of stuff. I have a question. Um,

1098
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,400
Speaker 1: let's see here, I'm looking at my little list. We

1099
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: have like seven questions we want to ask you guys,

1100
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: And obviously time constraints aren't going to allow this unless

1101
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,920
Speaker 1: are you guys free to about midnight tonight? Absolutely not

1102
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: a chance of rain tomorrow, otherwise they would okay, all right,

1103
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: well I'll we'll knock some of these out real quick, okay,

1104
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: because you've made what most people consider a hobby. Um,

1105
00:54:57,080 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: your guys, job. How do you keep passion for deer

1106
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: hunting as that season progresses, as you're dealing with the

1107
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: business workings of um the crush and all that other

1108
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 1: you know, all the other business that goes on. You know,

1109
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:13,680
Speaker 1: that's I don't think it's anything that you have to

1110
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,160
Speaker 1: try to do. Like for me, people ask me all

1111
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,160
Speaker 1: the time, so I don't ever get sick of it,

1112
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, I am. Just It's funny because

1113
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: like Tiffany's cousin Brian came down turkey hunting and I

1114
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 1: didn't have a tag for that season. I didn't have

1115
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: one until a third and fourth season, and he came

1116
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: down second season and I was so excited to go

1117
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: out with him, con sleep every day I couldn't. And

1118
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: finally it was like three in the morning just to

1119
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: get up and go work. Has got on the computer

1120
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 1: and uh did some some work stuff and I left

1121
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 1: at four in the morning. So I will put a

1122
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: blind up bow hunt. Where was gonna pop up when

1123
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: we go out there? So I wasn't get there really early,

1124
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: and I'll get to blind up and decloys out and everything.

1125
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: Then I'll have to go back and sit in the

1126
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: car trying to truck and wait for him to get

1127
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,360
Speaker 1: there to meet me, and then I already have it

1128
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: all set up, and it's just like, I'm so pumped,

1129
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm so excited about I'm kind of I feel like

1130
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: a twelve year old, you know, I feel the way

1131
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: I did when I was twelve years old still today.

1132
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: Um So, I think that's just something that it's not

1133
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: hard for me to do it. All. We had a

1134
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: hundred days, and you're always exhausted, and you're tired because

1135
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: you're up late. You got friends that come and they

1136
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,759
Speaker 1: stay uptill midnight or one in the morning. You get

1137
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 1: you know, some musicians come and it'll stay up to

1138
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: three in the morning playing guitars and get up at

1139
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,399
Speaker 1: four and go and so exhausted. You know, after three days,

1140
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 1: you know they can't even function anymore. But they go home.

1141
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:38,359
Speaker 1: But we keep going, right, Yeah, I mean I was like,

1142
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: not that we have to. I mean, basically my own boss.

1143
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: I can take off all the days I want to,

1144
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 1: But I never have never, never have a tiffany maybe

1145
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 1: a couple of days of years you might I'm just

1146
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna skip the morning. I'm gonna go up. I don't

1147
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: get my nails done and get I'm gonna go get

1148
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 1: my hair done something and just relax for a day.

1149
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 1: But I can't. I can't think of a single day.

1150
00:56:57,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: But it's usually not ever for the whole day. It's

1151
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: usually just like the morning. But it kills me to

1152
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: think that. I'm like, Okay, I wonder what they're seeing.

1153
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: I know if I sat in that stand, something would

1154
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: have come out, you know, So it's definitely I mean,

1155
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: I would think, actually, I would say, the hunting part

1156
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 1: makes the rest of the business side all worthwhile, because

1157
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: the business side we don't really like to deal with.

1158
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's what makes the hunting part, you know, all

1159
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: the better. Start hunting August sixteenth and go right through

1160
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: until January, you know, can it's a big game. And

1161
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:29,480
Speaker 1: then we go right to the duck hunting and says

1162
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 1: hunting and anything else. If we wouldn't have to, if

1163
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, if it got tiring to us,

1164
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: it didn't like it, or it's like getting old, some

1165
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: of that, we just wouldn't do it. We don't have to.

1166
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: But I still don't. I don't feel any different now

1167
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: than I did when I was, like I said, ten

1168
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 1: or twelve years old. I still get this is excited

1169
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: about it every single day. Um, I don't know. That's

1170
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: probably a lot of people wouldn't be. But I think

1171
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,080
Speaker 1: that's part of what I was talking about earlier, and

1172
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: just so infatuated with deer, so life, everything you're gonna do.

1173
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: Every day I get up and think about deer. How

1174
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: can I improve the habits at How can I you know,

1175
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: make this deer bigger? How can I make their lives easier?

1176
00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: How about all the ticks that around? Is there's something

1177
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: that I can do saying or get something they get

1178
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: the kicks off them? Is that going to be less

1179
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 1: stressed on those deer and you know, make it more

1180
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: comfortable for them and that you know, grow bigger racks? Huh.

1181
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people don't, you know all

1182
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: summer long and get up and think about you know,

1183
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: going voting and not me. I think every single day

1184
00:58:30,960 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: about deer is what I think about when I get up.

1185
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: So I think that's just naturally brought me to where

1186
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: we're at. And this your success as a hunter. We

1187
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,439
Speaker 1: shoot a lot of good deer, but we do so

1188
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: much work and I put so much time in it

1189
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,680
Speaker 1: that most people it doesn't work. It to them, they're

1190
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: not that infatuated with deer. They want to shoot a

1191
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: good one, like I'm saying earlier, but it's not that

1192
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: important to them whatever, and to spend every waking minute

1193
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: on it. But there are people, I think there's definitely

1194
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: and there are white tell nuts like me out there,

1195
00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: and I think most of those people, if you're very

1196
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: passionate about something, you'll be successful at it and you

1197
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: put that much time and effort into it. Yeah, No,

1198
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 1: I think I'm right there with really, Like my my

1199
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 1: grandpa always told me, was that if you love what

1200
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: you do, you'll never work a day in your life.

1201
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: And you know, that's what I've tried to do. That

1202
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like work if you're actually passionate about it

1203
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: and really loving every second of it. So for for

1204
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 1: white tail addicts like us, it's a it's a good

1205
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 1: place to be, Definitely. I have to say. I remember

1206
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: my sisters telling me, you're crazy, you know, just about

1207
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: hunting in general, like you're never gonna do anything with

1208
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,080
Speaker 1: your life as you ever think about is hunting. And

1209
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: I was like yep, And I was like, you know,

1210
00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: I feel sorry for I'm just sorry for people that

1211
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: don't because I mean they don't have something, not necessarily hunting,

1212
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: but just if you don't have anything that you feel

1213
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,880
Speaker 1: that passionate about in your life, they're missing out because

1214
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: like for me, I would say I could never be depressed.

1215
00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: I could never be you know, anything like that, because

1216
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: every day it looked so forward to hunting season. That's

1217
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: what really makes like having farms and and if you

1218
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't have fun just to go out and you know,

1219
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: plant food plots, are going out and looking at deer

1220
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: thanks to me, that's hunting every day. This is a

1221
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,439
Speaker 1: real hunting. It's it's now, you know, when October comes

1222
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 1: around for us, you know, I'm sitting in the deer

1223
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: stan hunting. But the important part of hunting is done

1224
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: outside of those three months of hunting season. I was

1225
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,480
Speaker 1: compared to a golfer early. I was like, you know,

1226
01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: look at a golfer. They go you spend thousands of

1227
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: hours on putting greens and driving ranges and everything perfecting

1228
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: your game, and then you go one hour for every

1229
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: thousand hours to golf course to test what you learned.

1230
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: You know, to'd be a pro golfer, you don't go

1231
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: out and gulf every day on a golf course. You

1232
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 1: go out and you hit and hit and hit with

1233
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: every driver you know and every every iron, just to

1234
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 1: get all those shots perfected someplace. And then you go

1235
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: and you test it out on a golf of course.

1236
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: It's no different hunting. All the work is done between

1237
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: For me January fifteenth and October one, that's when all

1238
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:12,080
Speaker 1: the work is done and learning and perfecting all those things.

1239
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: And then the three months of hunting season is the

1240
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: time when I go to the golf course and you

1241
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 1: just tested what did my homework payoffs? Did I practice

1242
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,320
Speaker 1: in the right ways? If you're a golfer, did they

1243
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: work on the right shots? Did they cover everything? As

1244
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: a golfer, you go and you'd learned that you know

1245
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: and you know golf, and for a few weeks get

1246
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: out on the actual course and say did my practice payoffs?

1247
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: Did my score go down? But that's that's the important part.

1248
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: Is now where a lot of people I'm thinking about that.

1249
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: If you're like I was trying to, you know, get

1250
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: into it earlier. If you if you wake up October

1251
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: one and below the door the dest off your bow

1252
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: and say I'm gonna go out in the deer hunt today. Well,

1253
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 1: that's like me right now going to say, Okay, I'm

1254
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,280
Speaker 1: gonna go grab my golf clubs. Then I'm gonna go

1255
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: out on a golf course and have golf in college,

1256
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 1: and it's like, I'm gonna be horrible at it. You

1257
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: just expected go out and you know sixty nine is

1258
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 1: pretty much not gonna happen. And it's kind of the

1259
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 1: same thing with deer hunting. Do you think you're just

1260
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: gonna get up one day and then go out and

1261
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 1: probably not gonna happen without doing the work previous to it. Yeah,

1262
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: so true, so true. So we are coming up here

1263
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: on time pretty quick. I'm pretty you get spending so

1264
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,760
Speaker 1: much time with us. But I had one last quick

1265
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,120
Speaker 1: question from one of our readers. This comes from Sean Groves,

1266
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: and just ask simply, you know what has been your

1267
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: single greatest learning experience so far as the hunter not

1268
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: be interested to hear from both of you guys on

1269
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: that one. Oh, I think you know you didn't think

1270
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 1: about years from techniques. I think for mine has been

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Speaker 1: what we've already talked about, is that where I thought

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Speaker 1: the no pressure was, I was what you wanted you

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Speaker 1: read that at and it was always pounded into keeping

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Speaker 1: low pressure anything else, and I think that that consistent

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Speaker 1: pressure is what it's made us so much more successful.

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Speaker 1: And like I talked about even earlier about that feeder,

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Speaker 1: when we realize that it's like, man, why is it

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Speaker 1: now that there's a hundred deer in Linda's yard And

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Speaker 1: they'll be laying in their yard and you can drive

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Speaker 1: in and broad daylight and they'll kind of move off

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Speaker 1: a little bit, but they won't even run off the field. Um,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we can let our dogs out now,

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Speaker 1: and the dogs no not to chase deer, so you

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Speaker 1: know they'll go and go to the bathroom, and deer

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Speaker 1: still stand around the yard. We have a feeder out there,

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Speaker 1: but we also have big you know, food pots around

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Speaker 1: our house too. Know they're all her pets, and we

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Speaker 1: can't we can't hunt around your house. But you know,

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Speaker 1: we don't really want it, because we'd love coming out

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Speaker 1: here looking at deer too. But you'll come here in

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Speaker 1: November and they'll be hundred and sevent deer in their yard,

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Speaker 1: you know, just standing around eating and doesn't pay that

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Speaker 1: much density. You can you can drive in here and

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Speaker 1: and uh, you know it might run away from the

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Speaker 1: house a little bit, but certainly not out of sight.

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Speaker 1: And now I'll go back to feeding and it's like, man,

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Speaker 1: you look how almost tame they get. And like said

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Speaker 1: the same thing in the suburban areas. But and when

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Speaker 1: we first started hunting, everything was up against camera light.

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Speaker 1: Now it's not. You kind of learned that that way.

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Speaker 1: Every if I can get in at once a week

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Speaker 1: at least to these feeders and my cameras and things

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Speaker 1: to check those and be putting out, you know, sugar

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Speaker 1: be crushed and food form the middle of the day

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Speaker 1: and stuff, you know, once a week at least, that

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Speaker 1: they're always associating me with food and they're not really

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Speaker 1: associating me with with danger for nine months of the year,

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Speaker 1: and then those three months I'm hunting, kind of do

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Speaker 1: it the same way, just once a week. That always

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Speaker 1: had so much success at that And I think that's

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Speaker 1: probably the biggest thing that I've learned, U The biggest

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Speaker 1: aha moment, basically the per saved for me is that

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01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:51,920
Speaker 1: we've gotten more and more successful, and more and more

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Speaker 1: older and bigger deer in the fields during daylight and uh,

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Speaker 1: And I think I pretty much attribute it to that

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Speaker 1: and just being here obviously helps that I can get

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Speaker 1: out at least once a week, but even if you couldn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, if I had a nine to five job

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Speaker 1: every weekend, if you were out on your place, if

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Speaker 1: it's close enough that you can do that and the

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Speaker 1: extent to go put us I bet you if you

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Speaker 1: just went out every you know, every weekend and put

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Speaker 1: a bucket of corn out, you know, for the nine

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Speaker 1: months out of the year before hunting season, that that

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Speaker 1: would make a huge difference. When hunting season came and

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Speaker 1: you went in there that first day, you know, they'd

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Speaker 1: be expecting you to come and put corn out, even

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Speaker 1: if you couldn't bait during hunting season. You did that

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Speaker 1: first time you come out, even though there's no corn there,

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Speaker 1: bang that could become in like coppel kind of like

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01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 1: bears and you go bear baiting and the deer the

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01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: bear you heck, you drive your four wheeler and then

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01:05:42,120 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 1: here you're coming and they're all standing at the base

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01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 1: that waiting for you. That's kind of get it the

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Speaker 1: same way. Deer can be the same similar to those

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Speaker 1: results that you could have. I think that's probably the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing that I've learned, and just to be patient

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Speaker 1: on on things that you know. It's so easy to say, gass,

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Speaker 1: that's a nice bus. If I don't shoot it, my

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01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: neighbor will, so you shoot it. It's like, no, you're

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01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 1: the neighbor that everyone's talking about. If that's what you're thinking,

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: is I got to shoot it because my neighbors. I

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01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: hear that everywhere we go. Oh, you are the neighbor

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01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. So it's just the patients on that,

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01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: you know. And it's okay if you're happy with a

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01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: small bus or whatever. If your first time hunter or

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Speaker 1: young hunter, you know, you just want to have some success,

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01:06:25,240 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: but once to you know, once you've shot some if

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Speaker 1: you're just gonna cut the rack up and throw it

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Speaker 1: on the woodpile, hey, just shoot a dough, you know,

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01:06:33,800 --> 01:06:36,919
Speaker 1: and just be enjoyed the hunt. Enjoy being out there

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01:06:37,560 --> 01:06:39,320
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, hold out for a good one.

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01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:40,920
Speaker 1: You may not be this year, may not be next

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01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 1: years you hit if you get a good one, but

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01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: you hold out long enough, you'll eventually get get the

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Speaker 1: kind of deer you're looking for. Yes, okay, sorry for me,

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Speaker 1: I would say, like I mean, I wasn't really hunting.

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Speaker 1: I would still consider you know, even after I think

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01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:58,080
Speaker 1: I've been hunting probably twelve or thirteen years now that

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01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 1: had half the time, I still feel like a rookie.

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01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: So I mean, for me, it's everything is just like

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01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: a learning experience. I mean, I feel like from where

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01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: I started late when the first time I ever went

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Speaker 1: out in a heart with Lee and I shot my

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Speaker 1: first box the first day that I hit in the stand,

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Speaker 1: I sat in the stand to like where I've come now.

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Speaker 1: I mean I've I've learned so so much, but I

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Speaker 1: feel like I still have so much to learn. I mean, obviously,

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Speaker 1: I I'm with Lee all of the time, and There'll

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Speaker 1: be times during a seminar I'm like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: I never thought about that that way, you know, and

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Speaker 1: it's like I'll think about something that he's you know,

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01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: changed his philosophy on or strategy on or and it

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Speaker 1: just blows me away. I'm liked is brilliance. So I

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Speaker 1: mean for me, I mean, She's my whole hunting career

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01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:44,919
Speaker 1: is a learning experience. I Mean, there's so many things

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Speaker 1: that I've learned from start to finish right now, So

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Speaker 1: I would still say that I'm a I'm a work

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01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: in progress. Yeah, I guess you and I am probably

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Speaker 1: all of us, right, there's definitely. I think that's a

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Speaker 1: big part of why, at least I love hunting white

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01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,080
Speaker 1: To so much, is that, really you can learn something

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01:08:02,080 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: new every time you're out there. It's absolutely they're always

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01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 1: teaches new things, that's for sure. Not me. I already

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01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: know everything. Well, I guess we gotta give you a

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01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:16,360
Speaker 1: show then, Dan, I never figured out. Whenever you think

1387
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,000
Speaker 1: you got something figured out, they'll do something totally different.

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01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,439
Speaker 1: But that's what makes it so fantastic. I mean, if

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01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: you could figure it out and you knew exactly what

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01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: they were doing, um, it wouldn't ton anymore. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: what's so exciting about them because they're all individuals. Just

1392
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:33,400
Speaker 1: like people, they're all different. They all do different things.

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01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:35,720
Speaker 1: You know, you can say Bucks reacted this way or

1394
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:37,720
Speaker 1: something more. One buck might react that way, but that

1395
01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: doesn't mean all of them do. So you know, it's

1396
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:46,599
Speaker 1: you're constantly learning and and uhl and you know because

1397
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: then but every deer's different. Different tactics work for different deers,

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Speaker 1: So you know everything that you learned, it's it's you know,

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01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 1: it may not work for all deer, but it may

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: work for that one that you want, so that it

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,840
Speaker 1: makes it so much fun. Just be trying stuff all

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 1: new all the time and learning. Basically the best way

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01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,720
Speaker 1: to learns to fire out watching them every night that

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01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: we we're fortunate enough to be able to watch a

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Speaker 1: lot of them. Yeah, yeah, no, just be being out

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01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 1: there with white tails and observing them. That helps so much.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome. Well, I think that's a perfect place for

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Speaker 1: us to wrap things up here. Um, So that said,

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01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, if our listeners want to catch your TV

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,479
Speaker 1: show or get more information about you guys and what

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01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:31,840
Speaker 1: you're up to, where should they go The crush dot

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01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: TV and all of our information is on that. And

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01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: then also, um, I noticed that I was looking at

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Speaker 1: that that I wasn't paying attention to the interview, but

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Speaker 1: I did look at Twitter and I got as you

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 1: guys Drew on Twitter or of course on Twitter and Facebook,

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01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,680
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, you can find all of

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 1: our latest information on the crush dot TV and all

1419
01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:51,559
Speaker 1: of our appearance schedules and everything that we've got going

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01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 1: on right on our website. And then another cool thing is, um,

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01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 1: a lot of people don't realize if you go on

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: our website we have a live deer cam where you know,

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01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 1: it's literally just set up and it's totally free, and

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01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 1: it's so cool to see some of those deers. Yeah,

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01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: it's I'm one of our feeders and we learn a

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01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: lot from that. Even, you know, even when I'm out

1427
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: hunting sometimes I'll you know, obviously I'm not seeing anything

1428
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: when know what happens, So I'll go to that live

1429
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,680
Speaker 1: camera's the place that said we don't hunt, and just

1430
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: a feature there if you can just kind of see

1431
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 1: deer how they're naturally, how they're naturally reacting. You can

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01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:22,719
Speaker 1: kind of see it's like, well, man, there's no deer

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01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 1: at the feeder yet, so they must just not be

1434
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: moving early where you see those in there, and bucks

1435
01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: are just starting to chase. The winds are really starting,

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01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:32,479
Speaker 1: you know, so you see here are there any bucks

1437
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 1: chasing those those around? So it really helps you. You

1438
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: can learn a lot from it. But it is neat

1439
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: to see right now they're just getting you know, they're

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01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 1: only up two or three inches. But when you get

1441
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:43,840
Speaker 1: into July, when these deers start coming out, you'll see

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01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,880
Speaker 1: there's been a hundred seventy deer on that camera and

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01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: pretty regular too, so they're neat to see and there's

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01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:53,880
Speaker 1: wild deer and the deer that we we're humping out

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,880
Speaker 1: on that end of the farm, we'd say, well if

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Speaker 1: we if we get to the other end on some

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01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,320
Speaker 1: of our food pots something, we've hunt them, but don't

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01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: hunt that whole end of that farm on that So

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01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: we haven't showed any of the deer that have been

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01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,640
Speaker 1: on it so far, but you know there's a possibility

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01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: that we could. Yeah. I love that camera. I found it.

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01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:14,160
Speaker 1: I think I discovered last year at some point. I

1453
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,479
Speaker 1: remember driving down during the rut down to southern Ohio

1454
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:19,720
Speaker 1: where I was hunting, and a buddy and I had

1455
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 1: your live camera going on our cell phone the whole

1456
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,760
Speaker 1: drive down just because we were curious to see what

1457
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:28,680
Speaker 1: deer might pop up. That was pretty cool. Yeah, yeah,

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01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: it's a lot of fun. Well that said, then, you know,

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,639
Speaker 1: we'll make sure to include the links to your website

1460
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: and that different information on the website at our show

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01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,320
Speaker 1: notes and uh, then, of course I just want to

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01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 1: thank you both so much. We really appreciate the time

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: it took, you know, I know, time out of your

1464
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,679
Speaker 1: busy schedule to speak with us, and it's been great.

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:46,280
Speaker 1: I think we all learned a lot and it's been

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01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,120
Speaker 1: a really interesting conversation. So thank you so much. Thank

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01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: you for having I say, I tell you anytime you

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01:11:51,439 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: want to talk, we're available. And as you can tell,

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:56,599
Speaker 1: you know, there's not anything that Lee likes to talk

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01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:01,599
Speaker 1: about more than whitees well us too, so it's perfect.

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Speaker 1: All right. Wow, I'd say that was pretty interesting, don't

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Speaker 1: you think so, Dan, Yeah, it kind of gives a

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01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:13,360
Speaker 1: different perspective than what everybody else sees or thinks. I mean,

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01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:20,000
Speaker 1: obviously Ly is a fanatic when it comes to uh

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,799
Speaker 1: White Tales and how much time and energy he actually

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Speaker 1: puts into it, you know, and to to defend all

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01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 1: the TV guys out there, you know, these guys are

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Speaker 1: filming hours and hundreds and hundreds of hours of footage

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Speaker 1: all edited down to you know, a twenty two minute

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Speaker 1: TV show. So it takes it. It takes work, and

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes,

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. So that said, then we do need

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Speaker 1: to wrap things up, like we said. But I believe

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Speaker 1: you had a quick announcement you wanted to share with

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Speaker 1: the listeners today, is that right? Yes? Um, I actually

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Speaker 1: started to blog myself. And it's called nine Finger Chronicles,

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Speaker 1: the nine Finger Chronicles, and it's the nine Finger Chronicles

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Speaker 1: or excuse me, it's nine finger Chronicles dot com. And uh,

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Speaker 1: it's pretty much just a little bit of a lighter

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Speaker 1: side to the hunting. Um. You know, I'm having fun

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Speaker 1: with it. It's not gonna be too serious. Uh. So

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Speaker 1: you know you can visit me on Facebook. I have

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Speaker 1: a Twitter. Um, I'm nine or fort worth. Nine fingers

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Speaker 1: is my Twitter feed. And again that, uh, I got

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Speaker 1: my website up and that's uh, nine finger Chronicles dot com.

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Speaker 1: So very cool. Well, I'm excited to check it out

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Speaker 1: and I'll make sure to include a link in the

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Speaker 1: show notes as well, so that if any of the

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Speaker 1: listeners want to check out the nine Finger Chronicles and

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Speaker 1: hear about your crazy stories, and that's where to find them.

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Speaker 1: Perfect excellence. Well that said, thank you so much to

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Speaker 1: everyone out there listening today. We're a thrill that you've

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Speaker 1: taken the time out of your day to join us,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoyed this episode. If you're new

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Speaker 1: slash episode seven. That's the number seven to view the

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Speaker 1: all that out of the way, thanks again Weird Hunt

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Speaker 1: Nation and until next time, have a great week and

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Speaker 1: stay wired to Hunt.