1 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Brainstuff, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey brain Stuff. 2 00:00:07,680 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: I'm Lauren vogelbaumb and this is a classic episode from 3 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 1: our podcast's archives. This one goes into the fascinating world 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: of paleo art. Drawings of dinosaurs are necessarily cool, but 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,119 Speaker 1: the way that artists have depicted them, based on the 6 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: best science available, has changed a lot over time. Here's 7 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: some of that history. 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: Hey brain Stuff, Lauren vogelbomb here. Celebrated paleo artist Ray 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: Troll told us in an email, shared passion for an 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 2: obscure topic is what binds scientists and artists. They're both 11 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: curiosity driven, and he would know. Based in Alaska, Troll 12 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 2: builds on scientific findings to create art that depicts prehistoric life. 13 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: Through paleo art, fossils are revived. A single drawing or 14 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 2: sculpture can define how the public will visualize an extinct species, 15 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 2: so paleo artists strive to keep their work as accurate 16 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: as possible, a task that gets harder when the experts disagree. 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 2: It's a tough job, to be sure, but also a 18 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: dream job for loads of fossil fans and dinosaur enthusiasts. 19 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: But how do they go about creating it. First off, 20 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:18,480 Speaker 2: a little history. A dinosaur renaissance changed the game. Paleo 21 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 2: art didn't always feature dinosaurs. All prehistoric organisms, from early 22 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: palm trees to wooly mammoths make worthy subjects. Nevertheless, the 23 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: fascinating reptiles were at the center of a significant period 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: in the history of this art form, called the dinosaur Renaissance. 25 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 2: Prior to the nineteen sixties, dinosaurs were largely written off 26 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: as dim witted, tail dragging hulks. Most paleo art from 27 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,559 Speaker 2: the early twentieth century reflects that view, but in nineteen 28 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: sixty nine, Yale paleontologist John Ostrom published a new paper 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 2: on Danonikus, an eleven foot that's three point three meter 30 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: predator akin to the Jurassic Park imagining of velociraptor. Noting 31 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 2: its long legs and sickle shaped claws, Ostrom claimed Danonikus 32 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: was an athletic beast who ran down its prey and 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: might have even hunted in packs. The scientist went on 34 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: to popularize the now widely accepted idea that today's birds 35 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 2: are descended from Mesozoic dinosaurs. Exciting hypotheses like these changed 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: the discourse about how dinosaurs looked and behaved. In the 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies and eighties, a growing number of artists responded 38 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 2: by illustrating the creatures in active, dynamic poses. What followed 39 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 2: was a renewed public interest in both the study of 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 2: dinosaurs and in paleo art itself. But there was a problem. 41 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: Bare bones and skeletons often don't tell you a whole 42 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 2: lot about the overlying soft tissue. Hence, some paleo artists 43 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 2: have chosen to reconstruct animals reptiles in particular, as lanky 44 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 2: beasts with ultra low body fat, skinny tails, and heads 45 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 2: that are largely devoid of cartilage or loose skin. This 46 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: practice has been called shrink wrapping, and if you couldn't 47 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: tell from the moniker, it's been contentious. Troll broke it 48 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 2: down for us quote. I think there are some really 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 2: valid points to be made about shrink wrapping. Many paleo 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 2: artists are reluctant to jump into more speculatives constructions, preferring 51 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: to play it safer. So by keeping their animals lean 52 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 2: and mean, paleo artists can highlight known skeletal anatomy without 53 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: making conjectural guesses about an animal's soft tissues that might 54 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 2: not have been preserved. Back in the dinosaur Renaissance, shrink 55 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,239 Speaker 2: wrapping was in fashion, that's no longer the case. Modern 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 2: critics point out that living animals tend to look a 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 2: lot different than you might expect if you had nothing 58 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 2: to go on but their naked skeletons. A troll pointed 59 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 2: out that things like trunks, ears, and blubber don't usually fossilize. 60 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,800 Speaker 2: We also spoke via email with Matt Celeski, a paleo 61 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: artist and museum exhibit designer, who also offered his thoughts 62 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: on the issue. Quote, today's paleo artists are looking more 63 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 2: closely at the extent of soft tissue in living animals. 64 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 2: I think this fleshing out of paleo art makes for 65 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: heightened levels of believability in the reconstructions and greater diversity 66 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: in the way artists approach their subjects. In other words, 67 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 2: chunky limbs and necks and not to mention, puffy dino 68 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 2: feathers have gone mainstream, but figuring out what those features 69 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 2: might have looked like takes some serious research. To scientists, 70 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: the skeletal drawing is one of the most useful forms 71 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 2: of paleo art, an animal skeleton is usually depicted in 72 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: an upright position that is standing or running, and juxtaposed 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 2: against a black silhouette that represents the creature's body profile. Unfortunately, 74 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 2: in the fossil record, complete skeletons tend to be rare. 75 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 2: When parts are missing or broken, scientists and artists can 76 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: only speculate about what those elements looked like. Zeleski said, 77 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: every skeleton presents unique challenges, but I find the most 78 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 2: difficult thing is filling in the parts you don't know, 79 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: extrapolating the shapes of missing bones, or correcting the shapes 80 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: of bones that have been damaged or distorted by time. 81 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: Filling in each missing piece involves a complex mix of research, 82 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: inference and educated guesses, and I always wonder if they 83 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: are better choices than the ones I end up making. 84 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: But these efforts aren't new. Let me take you back 85 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: to eighteen fifty three, when sculptor Benjamin Waterhouse Hawkins was 86 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 2: hired to build more than thirty full sized concrete models 87 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: of prehistoric animals for Crystal Palace Park in London, England. 88 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: The man really did his homework, consulting experts, scrutinizing fossils 89 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: and reviewing the scientific literature. In short, he was a 90 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 2: dedicated paleo artist. One of hawkins Guanadon molds had a 91 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 2: carnivorous gut big enough to hold a table and some chairs, 92 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 2: so as a publicity stunt for his project, twenty one guests, 93 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: including paleontologists William Buckland and Sir Richard Owen, were invited 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,080 Speaker 2: to climb down into the belly of the beast for 95 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 2: an eight course dinner party. The Big Shindig took place 96 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: on New Year's Eve in eighteen fifty three. Restoration projects 97 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: have helped these master works survive to the present day. 98 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 2: The beasts attract thousands of visitors every year, even though 99 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:40,359 Speaker 2: they are no longer deemed accurate. Hawkins Megalosaurus, for example, 100 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 2: stands menacingly on all fours, but scientists now think the 101 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: meat eating dinosaur was by pedal. Nevertheless, the Victorian era 102 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 2: giants capture the prevailing wisdom of their time, giving them 103 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: immense cultural value. Prehistory matters, but so does our history. 104 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: Today's episode is based on the article five you Didn't 105 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: Know about paleo Art on Howstuffwork dot Com, written by 106 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: Mark Mancini. 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