Speaker 1: Look al, there's only films to be buried with. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be buried with. My name
Speaker 1: is Brett Goldstein. I'm a comedian and actor, a writer,
Speaker 1: a director, a natural redhead, and I love films. As
Speaker 1: Henry James once said, three things in human life are important.
Speaker 1: The first is to be kind, The second is to
Speaker 1: be kind, and the third is to be kind And
Speaker 1: the fourth is wherever possible to use practical effects. HM,
Speaker 1: hot take, mister James. Every week I'm by a special
Speaker 1: guest over. I tell them they've died, and I get
Speaker 1: them to discuss their life through the films that meant
Speaker 1: the most of them. Previous guests include Jamila Jamille, Barry Jenkins,
Speaker 1: Sharon Stone, Mark Frost, and even Bled Damples. But this
Speaker 1: week it's the brilliant, brilliant, brilliant actor, mister James Lance.
Speaker 1: You can watch all of ted Lers so Season's one
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Speaker 1: Forward slash Brett Goldstein. So James Lance. James Lance plays
Speaker 1: the great Trent Krim on Ted Lasso. He is a
Speaker 1: wonderful man. He's in every important comedy in Britain in
Speaker 1: the last twenty more years. Everything you love, basically, James
Speaker 1: Lance is in it. He's an amazing actor, amazing man.
Speaker 1: I had the absolute pleasure of working with him on
Speaker 1: Ted Lasso, and I had the joy of recording this
Speaker 1: podcast over zoom with him. It's a really lovely time
Speaker 1: and I think you're going to love it. So that
Speaker 1: is it for now. I very much hope you enjoy
Speaker 1: episode two hundred and fifty of Films to be Buried With. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to Films to be Buried With. It is
Speaker 1: I Brett Goldstein, and I'm joined today by a stage actor,
Speaker 1: a screen actor, a movie actor, a person who is
Speaker 1: in every single greatest British comedy of the last generation.
Speaker 1: If you think of a comedy and you think, oh,
Speaker 1: that's what's one of the best Teavacho's ever. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: he's in it. He's in Emmy nominee. He's a lover,
Speaker 1: he's a spiritual man. He's a beautiful soul and a
Speaker 1: wonderful actor, and a fucking great head of hair, and
Speaker 1: a handsome fellow and a beauty. But let's not be shallow.
Speaker 1: He's also a brain and a personality. And here he is.
Speaker 1: I can't believe he's here with all that talent. Please,
Speaker 1: welcome to the show. It's mister James Lass.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Hello, thank you very much. You sound exactly like my
Speaker 3: inner voice. I was saying all those things earlier.
Speaker 1: Hello mate, Hello Jimmy. How are you nice to see you?
Speaker 2: Oh? Hello, lovely man, It is nice to see you too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm all right, you're right, Yeah, I'm all right.
Speaker 1: I've got so many things to say to you, some
Speaker 1: of them I don't know if I've said to you publicly.
Speaker 1: So let's say one is, if people are watching season
Speaker 1: three of Dead LAS said, they'll be aware how fucking
Speaker 1: great Jimmy Lance is in it, and how I remember
Speaker 1: we talked about it and I think even we made
Speaker 1: a jack at some point because of the storyline in
Speaker 1: season three, you are in a lot of scenes where
Speaker 1: you don't have a line. You're just there observing, and
Speaker 1: it is a testament to you as an actor and
Speaker 1: as a man that you are fully present in every
Speaker 1: scene and really matter in every scene and it's not.
Speaker 1: At no point does it feel like, yeah, Jimmy's just
Speaker 1: there in the background, like as in, you are absolutely
Speaker 1: a character involved in the scene, engaged with the scene.
Speaker 1: And the fact that you never were like, oh fuck,
Speaker 1: I've got come in and just not saying the thing again.
Speaker 1: I was like, especially when you're an Emmy nominee and
Speaker 1: a superstar in one of the all time great I
Speaker 1: was like, what a man or an actor, what a man?
Speaker 1: Great man? And it really pays off. You're fantastic in
Speaker 1: the season. And I think it surprises people if you
Speaker 1: actually go, yeah, I didn't have any lines in that scene,
Speaker 1: because I don't you think about it because you're so
Speaker 1: part of it. I mean, anyway, it's an excellent work.
Speaker 1: Oh thanks man. I think my secret there is that
Speaker 1: I actually quite like not having any words tell me more.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 1: I like it.
Speaker 3: I like just I like just listening and seeing what happens,
Speaker 3: you know, the in the moment.
Speaker 2: With that, there's not that much pressure.
Speaker 3: You just get to sort of emphasize and you know,
Speaker 3: just kind of underline certain moments in it, which I
Speaker 3: really enjoy it.
Speaker 1: I love that tell the listeners because you tell me
Speaker 1: something once, if you don't mind sharing it. I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of extraordinary. Is you only read the pilot
Speaker 1: and you in the same way that sounds similar in
Speaker 1: the way that I talk about, you know, feeling like
Speaker 1: I was roy and it was like a cooling. It's
Speaker 1: very sort of felt very strong. You felt the same
Speaker 1: way about Trent Krim, I believe, And in the pilot
Speaker 1: it ain't a big part. You know. Yeah it's a
Speaker 1: significant part, but it's not big. And you had only
Speaker 1: read the pilot and you felt this very special. Can
Speaker 1: you tell us about that?
Speaker 2: I can with pleasure. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I woke up one night and it was in the
Speaker 3: middle of the night and there was an email from
Speaker 3: my manager and it said this script came in. It
Speaker 3: said Ted Lasso, and I knew straight away. I thought
Speaker 3: that there's an energy to it. I was quite excited
Speaker 3: to read it. And he said I think there could
Speaker 3: be a role in this view, maybe the role of Higgins.
Speaker 3: And I read it do you know that? And I
Speaker 3: read it and I thought, I'm not going to get Higgins.
Speaker 3: But I saw this name Trent Crim double M and
Speaker 3: I thought, who is Trent Crim?
Speaker 2: I just wanted to know.
Speaker 3: And I read that little scene and I wrote back
Speaker 3: to my manager and said, hey, I won't get Higgins,
Speaker 3: but let them know I'd love to play Trent Crim.
Speaker 3: I'm sure it's just going to be a day play,
Speaker 3: but I'd love to do it. And he was like, okay, sure. Anyway,
Speaker 3: long story short, six months later, the audition comes in
Speaker 3: and I was actually going to go and do a
Speaker 3: play and I was quite excited to do and I
Speaker 3: was talking to my agent about it and I said,
Speaker 3: I'd like to do this drink and she said, yeah,
Speaker 3: it should be what you know, you should do it
Speaker 3: and I was like, I think there's only one episode,
Speaker 3: but she's like, oh, you know, who knows. Anyway, I went,
Speaker 3: I auditioned, I got off with the roll and then
Speaker 3: it's turned into you know what it is now, which
Speaker 3: is just an amazing ride as you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and did you out of curiosity. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely perfect for trek here is stuff? Why were
Speaker 1: you like, I wouldn't I'm not Higgins, so I wouldn't
Speaker 1: get Higgins. What was it?
Speaker 2: It was? You just get a fee, don't you? You
Speaker 2: just kind of know?
Speaker 3: I don't know, you just sort of have you just
Speaker 3: I guess it's a connection or something. There was something
Speaker 3: I found something funny about the name trank Krim. It
Speaker 3: just made me laugh. It obviously it sounded quite Dickensian,
Speaker 3: but I like the idea of this man announcing himself,
Speaker 3: you know, and then following up the independent.
Speaker 2: It just made me chuckle and that was enough for me.
Speaker 1: Really. If I may say, if I made out you
Speaker 1: in this way, you're very spiritual man, and you are
Speaker 1: often unset with a book and it's off in a
Speaker 1: book about spirituality, and you carry around blessed water, And
Speaker 1: I wonder if you're have always been this way? Is
Speaker 1: this something you've been exploring recently? The fact that you
Speaker 1: feel energy and the scripts and all these things I
Speaker 1: think are right, But is this something you've developed over
Speaker 1: time or you're always this way?
Speaker 2: Gosh?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think we're all spiritual beings. And I
Speaker 3: guess the older I've become, the.
Speaker 2: More I'm aware of how I.
Speaker 3: Feel about things, and so I and now I kind
Speaker 3: of trust that much more than I used to. I
Speaker 3: used to sort of really not know how I feel
Speaker 3: about things, but I do trust my intuition. So I
Speaker 3: guess that's kind of my My general compass is just
Speaker 3: how do I feel about something? And and that's how
Speaker 3: I sort of that's how I guess, that's.
Speaker 2: How I wrong.
Speaker 1: And how how often are you like my day about
Speaker 1: like I think, I think maybe this or is it
Speaker 1: always very clear?
Speaker 2: No, it's not always very clear.
Speaker 3: But what I do know is that the right answer
Speaker 3: for me will drop in often at the very last second.
Speaker 3: So I try to just sit back and hope that
Speaker 3: that will happen. And it tends to. It tends to.
Speaker 3: I mean, something's going to happen, isn't it. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 3: something always gonna happ I remember this really lovely little
Speaker 3: story about the Beatles when they were on tour and
Speaker 3: they were driving, and apparently all four of them were
Speaker 3: in the car and they and they crashed into a
Speaker 3: ditch and they were right stuck in this ditch, and
Speaker 3: I didn't quite know what to do, and nobody moved,
Speaker 3: and then one of them just went, something will happened.
Speaker 3: And I think I've I've adopted that as my mantra.
Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, Can I ask you one more thing?
Speaker 1: You tell me something once Nilly made me cry about
Speaker 1: a decision you'd made in your life about your career
Speaker 1: and stuff and what you wanted and then ted lesso happened?
Speaker 1: Can you tell that story or is that fine?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Of course.
Speaker 3: Well, so you know, I've been an actor since I
Speaker 3: was ten years old, so I've been an actor for
Speaker 3: thirty nine years now, which is a long time. And
Speaker 3: I've had many periods of being out of work, and
Speaker 3: at one point I thought to myself, I've got to
Speaker 3: go to Hollywood and see if I can make it.
Speaker 3: So I put everything I had into the part, went
Speaker 3: to Hollywood, lived just above Hollywood, actually lived there for
Speaker 3: four months, and I didn't land anything. I got absolutely nothing.
Speaker 3: It was the loneliest time of my life. My wife
Speaker 3: used to fly in and out sometimes and see me
Speaker 3: him feel sorry for me, and then leave again. In fact,
Speaker 3: the only thing that really happened to me out there
Speaker 3: is lots of people said they love my hair and
Speaker 3: it's great man.
Speaker 2: And then what happened was I found myself.
Speaker 3: I was just always in bookshops and like going to
Speaker 3: like museums and eating in Musso and Franks and like
Speaker 3: really old places. And I suddenly realized that I'd been
Speaker 3: chasing this childhood dream to go and live in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: and it was irrelevant to me anymore. And I wasn't networking,
Speaker 3: I wasn't going to any parties. I've never been like
Speaker 3: that here, so I don't know why I thought i'd
Speaker 3: be like that there. At the age of four, I
Speaker 3: think it was forty two or something. It wasn't that
Speaker 3: long ago. Anyway, I got a play and I was
Speaker 3: glad for that, and it was back in London at
Speaker 3: the Bush Theater. And I came back and I did
Speaker 3: this play, and I thought, I quite like old stuff
Speaker 3: and I like the theater, and I just want to
Speaker 3: make great work, of which I was hoping to land
Speaker 3: in America. I mean, I just wanted to do great
Speaker 3: work out there. Well, but it didn't happen. And then this, yes,
Speaker 3: something wonderful was happening when I was doing this play,
Speaker 3: and I've kind of got into the groove. I let
Speaker 3: everything go I let my visa go. Everything, all the
Speaker 3: ideas are going to Hollywood. I just thought, I'm just
Speaker 3: going to do some good work and you know, in
Speaker 3: whatever capacity here. And then I remember one night thinking
Speaker 3: to myself, this is when I was rehearsing that play,
Speaker 3: thinking to myself, something has also got to drastically.
Speaker 2: Change in my life. I need a big shift.
Speaker 3: And then a couple of weeks later, my wife said, well,
Speaker 3: I watched her find out the result of her pregnancy
Speaker 3: test and she was like. I was like, and that
Speaker 3: was the big That was the big shift. And we
Speaker 3: became parents. And then this angel arrived and just not
Speaker 3: just rearrange the furniture, just rearranged my whole makeup, really,
Speaker 3: And at that time I finished the play. Then when
Speaker 3: he'd arrived and I was out of work and again and.
Speaker 2: It's the theme of my career.
Speaker 3: And I was giving myself a bit of a hard
Speaker 3: time about being out of work. My wife was working loads.
Speaker 3: But then I realized, I did this thing where I
Speaker 3: found out what my top values were in life. And
Speaker 3: I found out that my top value was to be
Speaker 3: a present father, at present loving father.
Speaker 2: And actually I was one hundred.
Speaker 3: Percent being there because Katie was working a way a lot,
Speaker 3: so I would go with them and be, you know,
Speaker 3: mister mum thing with all the bits and the bobs
Speaker 3: and you know, the bottles and bits, and it was
Speaker 3: just the most kind of important piece of my life.
Speaker 3: And then the other two things values I had were
Speaker 3: personal transformation, which was occurring at that time. And then
Speaker 3: the third piece was inspirational comedy because I love comedy
Speaker 3: I always have done. And around that time I got Trank,
Speaker 3: Krim and Low and behold that inspirational comedy is you know,
Speaker 3: I was on that ride, so it all sort of
Speaker 3: came together.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it, and and the thing is,
Speaker 1: I forgot to tell you something, and I just remember
Speaker 1: it as you're telling that beautiful story, and it seems
Speaker 1: a shame, but I also feel like you did it,
Speaker 1: you know, because it is lucky you did. Because the
Speaker 1: thing I forgot to tell you is I can't tell
Speaker 1: you you've died. You're dead dead?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Ah?
Speaker 2: Yeah again again?
Speaker 1: Yeah? How did you die? This time?
Speaker 2: Where's you know? I've died.
Speaker 3: I've had many livest so yeah, died many times.
Speaker 1: For every lock of hair.
Speaker 3: None of them have ended well. So honestly, so is this.
Speaker 3: Do I know I've died? Do I know I'm about
Speaker 3: to die?
Speaker 2: You do? Now?
Speaker 1: Just tell you?
Speaker 3: Okay, great, all right, Well, if I have a choice
Speaker 3: of how it's gonna how it's going to happen, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna wake up
Speaker 3: on this day. I'm gonna make love with my wife.
Speaker 3: That's gonna happen, Ella, ella. Three minutes later, it's breakfast.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for exactly.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go for like something like Catier Pepe
Speaker 3: for the For my final breakfast, I'm gonna go I
Speaker 3: like a bit of hot cheese. And that's not a
Speaker 3: normal thing, but this is the final day. And then
Speaker 3: and then I'm gonna I'm gonna put a group text
Speaker 3: out to all my mates to say, do yourself as
Speaker 3: a favor, go down the bet and shop and put
Speaker 3: everything on me dying tonight.
Speaker 2: Right then, and then delete this text the sex. Yes.
Speaker 3: And then my wife's gonna drive us. I don't know
Speaker 3: why I feel like being driven today. I normally like
Speaker 3: to drive. She's gonna drive us to Glastonbury. The festival
Speaker 3: is going to be on. We're gonna get right down
Speaker 3: the front, and I'm gonna watch all these incredible bands
Speaker 3: and all my mates are going to be there, and
Speaker 3: we get it because.
Speaker 2: S the Family Stone is going to be on mid Lake.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go The Mighty Nick Cave is going
Speaker 3: to headline, and then we're all going to go up
Speaker 3: to the stone Circle. I'm going to say to everyone, Hey,
Speaker 3: if I died tonight, I'd be a happy man. And
Speaker 3: then I'm going to nip up the hill. I have
Speaker 3: a cup of tea in a flapjack, and then I'm
Speaker 3: just going to nod off.
Speaker 1: Even your death makes me cry, I assume, given you know,
Speaker 1: I'm a practical man here. It's a wonderful day you've had.
Speaker 1: And then you say you're nod up, So I'm assuming
Speaker 1: you've overdaated done Heroin.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't mention that the smacking.
Speaker 1: Take No, okay, I mean it's a wonderful way to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think, so wonderful way to go. I think so
Speaker 1: I did on Heroin at the top of fucking Stone
Speaker 1: Ende or whatever. Yeah, it's not bad, mid Flapjack, It's
Speaker 1: not bad. Calves in Heroin, did you in the air?
Speaker 1: Lovely day? Fair enough? Do you worry about death?
Speaker 3: The only time I'm most worried about it is this week,
Speaker 3: thinking I have to think about it for this podcast,
Speaker 3: to be honest, because.
Speaker 2: Since since, because that's the thanks for that.
Speaker 3: I think I'd be a lot more humorous about it
Speaker 3: if if I if I didn't have if I didn't
Speaker 3: have a little boy.
Speaker 2: It was that element of it.
Speaker 3: I've already I didn't tell you this bit, but I'd
Speaker 3: already made a video telling him everything I think you
Speaker 3: might need to know in life, and I've left that
Speaker 3: on the side.
Speaker 2: But I thought I don't. I couldn't quite. I had to.
Speaker 3: I had to take it a bit seriously as something
Speaker 3: about not seeing him again.
Speaker 2: Really it did me in a bit. So I don't
Speaker 2: really want to die because I'm much.
Speaker 1: Not for a while. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 2: Not for a bit.
Speaker 1: Okay, how old do you want to be? You get
Speaker 1: to choose here, so oh well, I mean bear in mind,
Speaker 1: slain the family stay still have to be a life,
Speaker 1: I know, but.
Speaker 3: They could be those those holograms like Abbott can we.
Speaker 1: Could maybe to be slave families, don't Yeah a gram?
Speaker 1: Oh nice, he'll be fine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I'm maybe I don't know a mind my nineties.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe in my night. Maybe I'm a hundred.
Speaker 1: Maybe i'm a hundred hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll go a hundred.
Speaker 1: Do you think you get a card from the king
Speaker 1: when he's ten hundred?
Speaker 2: He'll be dead by their money. Oh, I guess it'll
Speaker 2: be William.
Speaker 1: Well wow, I didn't know you you were going to
Speaker 1: kill the king. Well, well that's a record. Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I didn't mention that.
Speaker 1: Oh he'll be he'll be dead by the Okay, what
Speaker 1: do you think happens when you die?
Speaker 3: Well, there is a theory that's when we wake up,
Speaker 3: and I quite like that idea. I do think we
Speaker 3: have I genuinely do think. I've been here many times,
Speaker 3: and I think the next I think the next bit
Speaker 3: is going to be great. I think it's going to
Speaker 3: be quite good.
Speaker 1: Is the bit where you wake up, you're in the
Speaker 1: place where all consciousness comes from, and you remember all
Speaker 1: your past lives in your Yeah, I reckon having fun
Speaker 1: and you're and you're like a floating spirit.
Speaker 2: Definitely having fun. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I think I think that's when it all comes together.
Speaker 3: So I think the soul that I am will be fully,
Speaker 3: fully operational at that point and it will all come
Speaker 3: together quite nicely.
Speaker 1: H do you think I've been thinking. I'm sure I've
Speaker 1: vaguely discussed this on this podcast before, so forgive me,
Speaker 1: but I think I one hundred percent believe in reincarnation
Speaker 1: in many lives and stuff. The thing I find interesting
Speaker 1: is it's quite inefficient because you have a life, you
Speaker 1: learn these skills, you you build ideas, morals, ethics, whatever.
Speaker 1: Then you die. Then you come back with no memory, yeah,
Speaker 1: of the previous life. So it's quite an inefficient way
Speaker 1: of growing and buildings that every time you have to
Speaker 1: start again, you don't seem to necessary fully bring back
Speaker 1: the things you did. But then my new theory is
Speaker 1: it's like the human body is kind of the technology
Speaker 1: isn't advanced enough to hold the information that is put
Speaker 1: into it when it's born. So you do take across
Speaker 1: all the things from your past lives, but the brain
Speaker 1: human body is like it's like an old operating system
Speaker 1: and it can't quite process all this stuff. And that's
Speaker 1: why people have therapy and you know, life to kind
Speaker 1: of here's the things that we're in you, that we
Speaker 1: gave you at the beginning, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon, I think I think that sounds about right.
Speaker 3: There's a little bit of a blip there, but I
Speaker 3: think on some level there's a sort of within that
Speaker 3: vibration that is where that it's a different type of
Speaker 3: memory that we keep. It's not the one.
Speaker 2: In here, but there's a sort of a there's a
Speaker 2: there's an energetic memory that I think we carry.
Speaker 1: That's why I reckon, Yeah, I love it. I love it. Well,
Speaker 1: good news, you've woken up and it's heaven rocking and
Speaker 1: they love you. There. It's filled with your favorite thing.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite thing? My favorite thing is for some
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know why I think this, but I'd love
Speaker 3: it if Prince was there and he was dressed all
Speaker 3: in purple and he was like, yeah, you know, a
Speaker 3: bit like just really pleased to see me, and he says, hey, man,
Speaker 3: come come with me, and just sort of opens up
Speaker 3: this purple double I can imagine they're double doors, and
Speaker 3: then we go into this room. But I don't know
Speaker 3: what happens after that.
Speaker 1: Oh mate, let me tell you that happens. He goes, hey, mate,
Speaker 1: come with me. He's dressed in purple. He opens up
Speaker 1: the double doors with the inside is ten million mini princes,
Speaker 1: all in purple, and they've all got guitars and they're
Speaker 1: playing purple h and any song you like. As you
Speaker 1: move amongst them, and they're like, hey man. All of
Speaker 1: them say hey man. As you walk through them. They're
Speaker 1: absolutely delighted to see you. And their music's playing all
Speaker 1: the time, but they stopped the music briefly just to say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're fans. Can we talk about your life through film?
Speaker 1: And You're like, yeah, yes, let's do it. Yes, Prince, Yes, Princess, Yes, Princess.
Speaker 1: And the first thing, Princess, the first thing Princess ask
Speaker 1: you is what's the first film you remember seeing?
Speaker 3: Jimmy lance Well, Princess, The first film that I remember
Speaker 3: seeing is Ama Daeus, What.
Speaker 1: An opening, Gambit's twenty The Young Time Greats. That is
Speaker 1: your first film.
Speaker 3: That is my first film I remember seeing. Explain yourself. Well,
Speaker 3: how my mom took me to the cinema. I was
Speaker 3: a little bit too young. I think I was around
Speaker 3: I think it was a PG, but I was around
Speaker 3: ten or eleven, and she slightly snuck me into the
Speaker 3: cinema in Jovial, of all places, and I didn't know
Speaker 3: what we were going to see and it started, and
Speaker 3: my whole world changed completely just from the opening frame.
Speaker 3: I was one million percent absorbed in this film. And
Speaker 3: I kind of related completely to not the genius may
Speaker 3: I point out of of Mozart, but the the kid like,
Speaker 3: giddy nature of that performance by Tom Holts. It's just
Speaker 3: like a big, reckless kid and it and he was
Speaker 3: kind of everything that I wanted to be.
Speaker 2: And then there, of course there was.
Speaker 3: Saliary with you know, that outrageously cunning performance by F.
Speaker 3: Murray Abraham and I and I didn't know which one
Speaker 3: I wanted to be more. I just thought, I just
Speaker 3: want to be able to do what F. Murray Abraham's doing.
Speaker 3: But look at Tom Holtz, just you know, yeah, running
Speaker 3: around and laughing and just being being outrageous and and
Speaker 3: and then and and then just the whole plot, the
Speaker 3: sumptuousness of the of the production, the music, It.
Speaker 2: Blew my tiny mind.
Speaker 3: And I knew I knew before that I wanted to
Speaker 3: be an actor, but that absolutely sealed the deal.
Speaker 1: Wow, And you'd never been to cinema before that, or
Speaker 1: this is the first time, you remember.
Speaker 2: That's the first movie I went to see at the cinema.
Speaker 1: Wow, Yeah, that's very that's late. Yeah, are you and
Speaker 1: are you an only child? I'm only asking that in
Speaker 1: because you just said you went with where there are athers.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's so fully. Are you an
Speaker 2: only child? It's like, ah, it all makes sense.
Speaker 3: Alas alas alas Princess and Goldstein.
Speaker 2: I am an only child. I am.
Speaker 3: Yeah, never wanted to be an only child, very much
Speaker 3: wanted brothers and sisters.
Speaker 1: You're a lovely man for an only child. Thanks man,
Speaker 1: with all love in the world. Is there a reason
Speaker 1: you weren't ever at the cinema before ten or eleven?
Speaker 1: I think it's because my mum and dad were evil. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that gets That's what I'm getting. It was the first
Speaker 1: time they let you out of the house. What happened here?
Speaker 2: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've actually got no memory I've seen any
Speaker 3: kids movie at the cinema before then. I was a
Speaker 3: big TV fan. We watched lots of I watched loads
Speaker 3: of that TV. But that they're a TV but in
Speaker 3: many movies wise, yeah, I just don't remember. And then
Speaker 3: and then a whole slew of movies came in you know,
Speaker 3: you know just what I made up for it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe that's why you're weird. No, I was
Speaker 1: going to say, such a lovely spiritual men. Maybe some
Speaker 1: of these films that ruined me. Maybe maybe the best
Speaker 1: thing was not seeing any films for ten years. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I don't know. I'm retiring the podcast. Tell
Speaker 1: me this, what's the film that scared you the most?
Speaker 1: Do you like being scared? Are you easily scared?
Speaker 3: I'm very easily scared. I do not enjoy it at all.
Speaker 3: And when my friend, the lovely Simon Hedges said to me,
Speaker 3: you've got to see this film. It's really beautiful. It's stunning.
Speaker 3: It's a masterpiece. Oh that great, Okay, I'll watch it.
Speaker 3: And I was away filming. I remember I was in
Speaker 3: a hotel room in Luton and I watched Midsummer Jesus
Speaker 3: on my own and I literally couldn't get through it.
Speaker 2: So I had to watch and then I couldn't not
Speaker 2: see the rest of it.
Speaker 3: So the second night, I watched the second half of
Speaker 3: that film again on my own in a hotel room
Speaker 3: in Luton, and it terrified me. I had the worst
Speaker 3: nightmares ever that film. I mean, I think it's a
Speaker 3: complete and utter masterpiece. But equally it is so psychologically
Speaker 3: disturbing and horrific. But the juxtaposition of the beauty of
Speaker 3: it is what absolutely destroyed me and I never want
Speaker 3: to see it again.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, Yeah, I mean the semite about that film,
Speaker 1: and one thing about it is it does the thing
Speaker 1: the challenge, like the sort of horror filmmakers challenge of
Speaker 1: can you make a really scary film set in broad daylight?
Speaker 2: Nailed it?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, h yeah, yeah, he absolutely came. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Very disturbing film.
Speaker 3: So disturbing, I mean, all of it just so disturbing,
Speaker 3: even even I remember there's this bit when when she
Speaker 3: sort of says Florence Peter's character says what time is it?
Speaker 3: And then he says, nine pm. You can't be nine pm.
Speaker 3: It's the sky's blue, the sky's always blue. Hearings at
Speaker 3: nine pm, and it was just those.
Speaker 1: Weird little like e I don't like it, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't like it. I don't like it. When she says
Speaker 1: she doesn't want to do acid and then she does acid.
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, but he don't want to do acid?
Speaker 2: No, no, no no, yeah, really yeah.
Speaker 1: Great film. Have you seen his new one, Boy's Afraid?
Speaker 2: Not yet?
Speaker 1: No, you might, I wonder if you like it. It's
Speaker 1: not so scary. It's more of a comedy. It's very,
Speaker 1: very weird comedy.
Speaker 3: Well, I welcome that. I love working in Phoenix. But
Speaker 3: I did see his other one before that, the Hereditary,
Speaker 3: and that that might be the yeah, the other most
Speaker 3: scary film I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's that's one of my scariest persons.
Speaker 1: That ruined me for a week that way. What's the
Speaker 1: film that made you cry the most? Imagine you're a crier,
Speaker 1: are you?
Speaker 2: I'm a huge crier.
Speaker 3: And So I was in Dublin about I don't know,
Speaker 3: a year or so ago, and I was away filming
Speaker 3: and I was walking through the streets of Dublin and
Speaker 3: I came out across this lovely looking building. I thought,
Speaker 3: what's in there? Went in and it was a cinema
Speaker 3: and I thought what song?
Speaker 2: And it's the.
Speaker 3: Summer of Soul and a yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 3: what time's that on? It was like five past three
Speaker 3: and I looked at my watch. It was three o'clock.
Speaker 3: So I bought myself a coffee and a flatjack and
Speaker 3: went into this cinema.
Speaker 1: There was Your Dead again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there was only one.
Speaker 3: Other person in this cinema and I sat right in
Speaker 3: the center and I watched this movie and there was
Speaker 3: just this one moment in it that it was actually
Speaker 3: David Ruffin singing My Girl, and just the way that
Speaker 3: you say it just I it kind of imploded with
Speaker 3: tears and then I did not stop.
Speaker 2: Crying for the entire film.
Speaker 3: It was and it was tears of absolute joy that
Speaker 3: this that this amazing piece of history had been unearthed
Speaker 3: and put where it should be, but also the tragedy
Speaker 3: that it had been, you know, stuck in a basement
Speaker 3: for forty years, and what would it have been like
Speaker 3: if this has been out there, especially when Woodstock was
Speaker 3: on at one of those weekends as well, during the
Speaker 3: Harlem Culture Festival, and it just everything came together for me,
Speaker 3: the festival element, the community, the oppression, but then the
Speaker 3: kind of the explosive talent Ah just destroyed me.
Speaker 2: That film destroyed me. But there were tears of joy.
Speaker 1: It's a really really wonderful film.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's magic that one. That's a magic film. It's
Speaker 1: a magic film, isn't it magic?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: It really is. And it's fucking wild that it was
Speaker 1: like hidden. Yeah, it's wild, amazing, good choice, thanks man.
Speaker 1: Yeah we done. What's the film that you love. It's
Speaker 1: not critically acclaimed, people don't really like it, but you
Speaker 1: stand by it forever. Over the top Haha, Yes, Brah,
Speaker 1: that hasn't I don't think that's ever been on it
Speaker 1: fucking Selvester Slone, I'm wrestling. Come on in a truck.
Speaker 3: Driving arm wrestling Sylvester Stallone at the height of his eighties. Nus, Yes,
Speaker 3: I love breaks love that movie, bro, love that movie.
Speaker 3: I really love that movie. I love the style. I
Speaker 3: like he wears like this baseball cap, this's t shirt
Speaker 3: sort of braces. He's fresh off of I know he didn't.
Speaker 3: He did Cobra before that, so he's he's in peak form.
Speaker 3: But the thing is, I love Sylvester Stallone and he's
Speaker 3: so vulnerable as well as.
Speaker 2: Being this you know, action hero. Do you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 1: That's a really good shout. Yes, he is very vulnerable.
Speaker 3: He's like super vulnerable, isn't he like Rocky or even
Speaker 3: First Blood? And there's always this, you know, there's big
Speaker 3: it's just got this. I think he's got this big
Speaker 3: old heart and he kind of destroyed me as a kid.
Speaker 2: I just loved him. I still do.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting. I don't think it's ever been articulated
Speaker 1: to me. I think you're he is so vulnerable. I
Speaker 1: think is it? Is it just how he talks? Is
Speaker 1: it the fact that he there's something very very soft
Speaker 1: about him, And you're right, and he's so hard, but
Speaker 1: he's also yeah, so vulnerable. Yeah, you sort of want
Speaker 1: to look after him as well. You like, you're right, punchy,
Speaker 1: You're right? Did you just call him punchy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: And sometimes he's like shooting.
Speaker 1: Sometimes sometimes he's always vulnerable. That's really interesting. He is.
Speaker 1: He's like there's something lust about him, isn't there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And he is tough and he could kill you, but
Speaker 1: you feel like he'd cry. Well he did it. He
Speaker 1: feel really bad? Yeah. Yeah that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah he was.
Speaker 3: You know, he was a big part of my childhood.
Speaker 3: Sylvester salone. I just loved all of all of us,
Speaker 3: all of his films.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really did. Yeah, and that one in particular.
Speaker 1: What about a film that you used to love but
Speaker 1: you've watched recently and you've thought, I don't like this anymore,
Speaker 1: probably because you've changed.
Speaker 2: Not the film The Living Daylights go on.
Speaker 1: Timothy Dalton's first James Bond, The Living Daylight, The Living Daylights,
Speaker 1: Shallow Shallow on the name checks it over a barrier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. He does.
Speaker 3: He does do that, and I remember loving that when
Speaker 3: he did that. At the time, I thought, Wow, he's
Speaker 3: so cool. But now I just think James Bond's a
Speaker 3: bit of a knob.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not really a fan. I'm just not
Speaker 2: a fan of him and that movie in particular.
Speaker 3: It's but then when I start going through I just
Speaker 3: think I've gone right off James Bond.
Speaker 2: If I'm honest with you, right.
Speaker 1: It's really funny. It's a really funny thing to say
Speaker 1: to him. Sorry James, but I've actually gone right off you,
Speaker 1: right off. I think your morals are appalling. Actually, if
Speaker 1: you're asking, you're a smug serial killer nothing more. You
Speaker 1: clearly a misogy. You use women, then you kill them.
Speaker 1: You wreck that car, and we're supposed to.
Speaker 2: Think, do you know how much that cello's web son?
Speaker 1: You you callously chuck that cello. You're lucky you caught it.
Speaker 1: So she's with a Philharmonic of some kind.
Speaker 2: I mean, how many people are you killed? Now? You
Speaker 2: not go home? You're enough?
Speaker 1: I don't think you know, yeah, I hear you. That's fair.
Speaker 1: I don't know why you're taking it out in the
Speaker 1: Living Daylights? Is that because that was special to you
Speaker 1: that way?
Speaker 2: I remember being, well, yeah, it's true, because I was.
Speaker 3: The funny thing about thinking about these films is I
Speaker 3: realized that the eighties was was when I was most
Speaker 3: affected by movies really, you know, and when I was,
Speaker 3: you know, from the age of ten, from that great
Speaker 3: opening into Amadeis. Then I just just went crazy on
Speaker 3: it on movies. And I remember being so excited about
Speaker 3: The Living Daylights coming out because there was this new.
Speaker 2: Bond, you know, and I thought it was great. I
Speaker 2: thought it was great at the time, but I just
Speaker 2: don't think I could really sit through it now.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm sorry. What's the film that means the vice
Speaker 1: to you? Not necessarily the film itself is any good,
Speaker 1: but the experience you had seeing the film will always
Speaker 1: make it special and meaningful to you.
Speaker 2: Mister Jimmy Lance. So Police Academy is Police Academy, so.
Speaker 1: Of course it's please academy. Tell me everything.
Speaker 3: So my mum and dad divorced when I was very young,
Speaker 3: and so I would go and stay with my dad
Speaker 3: at weekends and he would let me watch things I
Speaker 3: probably was really shouldn't been watching, you know, I was
Speaker 3: at fifteens and eighteen year old and things. But we
Speaker 3: used to watch movies together and I remember seeing Police
Speaker 3: Academy with my dad.
Speaker 2: And thinking it was the funniest thing I had ever seen.
Speaker 3: And I just adored Steve Guttenberg as Mahoney. I thought,
Speaker 3: he I think he's just brilliant. I mean, he's so brilliant. Dinah,
Speaker 3: I means so brilliant Steve Gudberg. But I sort of
Speaker 3: fell a bit in love with Mahony. But the bit
Speaker 3: where in particular, this is why this is a special
Speaker 3: film for me, and I still laughed thinking about it,
Speaker 3: is the bit when comment At Lassade comes in to
Speaker 3: do a speech behind that lectern that my is is
Speaker 3: h hiding inside along with a prostitute in there, and
Speaker 3: Commandane Lassade starts his speech and you just hear his
Speaker 3: fly goes, and the look that George Gaines, who plays Lasade,
Speaker 3: gives is just the most brilliant bit of physical comedy,
Speaker 3: and then he goes into the speech and it, you know,
Speaker 3: I just it's the bit where he says, and here
Speaker 3: we have some slides.
Speaker 2: And I didn't really.
Speaker 3: Understand what was going on because I was quite young,
Speaker 3: but I did know kind of what was going on.
Speaker 3: And it was back in the day with you know,
Speaker 3: VHS recorders, videos and video players, and and so me
Speaker 3: and my dad just.
Speaker 2: Rewound the whole seq.
Speaker 3: We just rewound the whole sequence, and I think we
Speaker 3: remound it about fifty times.
Speaker 2: And the more we watched it together, the more we
Speaker 2: roared with laughter, just everything about it.
Speaker 3: And then the button on the end of that scene
Speaker 3: when Lassade then walks off and he looks back. His
Speaker 3: whole world's changed. He looks back and the mahoney pops
Speaker 3: his head out and he looks at him.
Speaker 1: He says, a good speech.
Speaker 2: That's so sweet.
Speaker 1: Did you how old is your dad in that story?
Speaker 3: Old enough to know better? So my dad was fifty
Speaker 3: five when I was born. I had an old dad,
Speaker 3: So yeah, and so I was probably what was police
Speaker 3: kind of is what that must be about? Eighty four
Speaker 3: eighty five something like that. It was on videos. What
Speaker 3: would I have been twelve maybe someone like that eighty six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very sweet story. I really like a sixty five
Speaker 1: year old man crying. Lasting and rewind the as well,
Speaker 1: and it was kind of.
Speaker 3: The joys of video players as well, you know, because
Speaker 3: that was that was the whole all sort of you know,
Speaker 3: came together.
Speaker 2: What the film that you most related? Okay, it's Dirty Harry.
Speaker 1: The Zodiac Killer. Which who are you related to?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Clint Eastwood? Yeah, I thought, did we.
Speaker 1: Just move on? Yeah, that was obvious for the listener.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: But that was one of those movies I saw that
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have seen. I was a bit too young,
Speaker 3: and that again was on video. My stepmom worked in
Speaker 3: a video store, so is to watch all these films.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: I just thought I was Clint Eastwood. I literally just
Speaker 3: thought I was Clint Eastwood. I mean completely and usly
Speaker 3: to the point where I remember I'd seen is.
Speaker 2: It every which way? But lou saw every which way?
Speaker 3: He came one of those and I remember I was
Speaker 3: sitting at the table with my dad and my stepmom,
Speaker 3: and my dad said something that was a bit.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I can't remember what it was.
Speaker 3: He said now he said something, but it was it
Speaker 3: was like a little bit odd, and I just looked
Speaker 3: at my stepmom and went something like I said, he's not.
Speaker 2: Too tightly wrapped, right, and no, like what?
Speaker 3: And I got really told off for being really cheeky.
Speaker 3: But I just thought it was sort of the norm
Speaker 3: because I thought I was Clint Eastwood. I really thought
Speaker 3: I was Clint Eastwood.
Speaker 1: He's too totally rap.
Speaker 3: How are you when he's not too tightly wrapped? Was
Speaker 3: the line I remember saying, Oh, he's not too tightly wrapped.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I was. Again, I was very young, very young.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have told you off. I'd have been like
Speaker 1: the fat happened here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got told off. Yeah, and they told me off.
Speaker 1: What's that? What is the sexiest film? And is it?
Speaker 1: Please Academy? It's not.
Speaker 2: But I did lose my virginity watching.
Speaker 1: A movie tell us everything?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, that's literally that's it. I U One day,
Speaker 3: one day after school, I went to this girl's house.
Speaker 3: I was fifteen. I was very very ready for the occasion,
Speaker 3: certainly mentally, and we were sitting on.
Speaker 2: The couch and we put dirty Dancing on.
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah that is an excellent movie to have sex too, well,
Speaker 1: it's beautiful.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it was quite something.
Speaker 3: And it was when it was the point when just
Speaker 3: after they've been carrying those water melons, Jennifer grows carrying
Speaker 3: those water melons, which somehow felt slightly relevant for me
Speaker 3: as well at the time. But and they went into
Speaker 3: this club and everyone was dancing in the sexiest way
Speaker 3: I'd ever seen in my young fifteen year old mind.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're basically sort of simulating sex. And me
Speaker 3: and this girl when we were in our school uniform
Speaker 3: and not just the shared school uniform, and we got
Speaker 3: it on, we got it on, and it was it
Speaker 3: was it was, you know, I lost of the virgency.
Speaker 2: I mean was it.
Speaker 3: It was for me that was incredible, And it went well,
Speaker 3: it was went quickly, went very quickly, but quickly, but
Speaker 3: well not not you know, it was a successful happy time.
Speaker 3: Well I can't speak for her, but I can say
Speaker 3: for me it was phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so nice, so rare, so rare, once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime, once in a lifetime. And also to get
Speaker 1: it right dancing for perfect perfect choice that happened. There's
Speaker 1: only maybe five minutes of that film. You don't want
Speaker 1: to be having sex. This is it's just like a
Speaker 1: specific couple of scenes where you don't want to be midsex. No,
Speaker 1: that was yeah, that was that was You timed it right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you did it long enough for the dancing in the club,
Speaker 1: which is about a minute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a minute. Honestly, that was it.
Speaker 1: That was it.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the rest of the movie. I need to.
Speaker 1: Oh, the ends great, I didn't care. There's a bit
Speaker 1: at the end of day Dancing recently where Patrick Swayzey
Speaker 1: comes back. He's left and he comes back and he
Speaker 1: interrupts the sort of final dinner dance thing, and he says,
Speaker 1: he does a speech like on stage people some people
Speaker 1: don't care about people like me, but blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: He does this speech, and the last time I watched it,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's great, this speech, But the reality
Speaker 1: is most of the people in the room I have
Speaker 1: no idea who this guy is or what. Like I said,
Speaker 1: he's a member of staff that most people won't have
Speaker 1: seen or met, right, and he does this powerful speech.
Speaker 1: But I think the reality is most of that audience
Speaker 1: would have been like, who the fuck is this? What's happening.
Speaker 1: Couldn't give a monkey anyway. Yeah, yeah, but it's great.
Speaker 1: And then he does a dance and I think they're
Speaker 1: probably a one over by that point. They're like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what his speech was about, but I'm
Speaker 1: loving this dance.
Speaker 2: The kid can move. He had everything, didn't he? He
Speaker 2: had everything?
Speaker 1: Patrick, He was amazing. Hang on, wait a second. You've
Speaker 1: gone back to this guy's house. You watched it, hees,
Speaker 1: You've had sex on the sofa. Is there anyone else
Speaker 1: in the house you have to suddenly get dressed. You've
Speaker 1: got an empty house.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, we an empty house.
Speaker 1: I went and got my slanned this in advance. That
Speaker 1: all agreed that we were going to read in advance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was.
Speaker 3: Definitely on the cards. We thought it might happen. Well,
Speaker 3: I hoped it would happen. And then it did happen,
Speaker 3: and then and then it was all over really quickly,
Speaker 3: and and I want I wanted to go again because
Speaker 3: it was so great.
Speaker 1: But she that was it. We were done, and that
Speaker 1: was that was it, right, Yeah, last time you ever
Speaker 1: did with her?
Speaker 2: That was the one, the one and only time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well I'm done. When you when you do it. Listen,
Speaker 1: That probably means he did it so well because it was.
Speaker 2: So But she had a boy to be there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she had a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: She had a boyfriend.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was like a man. He was like,
Speaker 2: he was like an older boy. You know, he was
Speaker 2: a boy that wasn't at school.
Speaker 1: So he was like, you know, you had sex with
Speaker 1: a bigger boys, it did. Yeah, Jimmy travel your travel travel. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that bigger boys listening now, I'm going
Speaker 1: I'll fucking killed Trader. I knew he was that guy.
Speaker 1: There's a troubling Boners Worrying White duns the sub category
Speaker 1: Troubling Boners Worrying White dunce a film you found a
Speaker 1: rousing You weren't sure that you should.
Speaker 3: Broke Back Mountain. So, as far as I know, as
Speaker 3: far as I'm aware, I'm not a gay man. I
Speaker 3: went to see Brokeback Mountain. And by the time those
Speaker 3: two cowboys got it on in that tent, I was.
Speaker 3: I was there with him.
Speaker 2: I was one hundred percent there, and I mean I was.
Speaker 2: There was three of us in that tent, and I
Speaker 2: found it.
Speaker 3: I found it so sexy that I was like geez
Speaker 3: and like, let me think about am I a cowboy?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And am I?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think I am. I don't think so.
Speaker 3: But gee, those guys they just would They were just
Speaker 3: really sort of they're kind of like really sexy.
Speaker 2: And but it was something about you know, it was
Speaker 2: a shock. It was genuinely a shock.
Speaker 3: I was really that was at the cinema and I
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, it was a bit of a shoka
Speaker 3: for me that one.
Speaker 2: I think it was, well, I know who it was.
Speaker 2: It was Heath. I was all about Heath.
Speaker 1: He's the guy something about I was TV.
Speaker 2: There's something about Ennis.
Speaker 3: I think his name is Edis and and and just
Speaker 3: he was so he was so painfully repressed that you
Speaker 3: just wanted to give him a big hug or you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's another vulnerable body you like, the vulnerable
Speaker 1: tough guys.
Speaker 2: I think this is what's coming out, isn't it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Interesting? What's objectively the greatest filmable? Tay objectively might not
Speaker 1: be your favorite, but it's the greatest.
Speaker 3: This is such a tough question, and I've had to
Speaker 3: land on something. So I am going to say, it's
Speaker 3: a wonderful life.
Speaker 2: You can have it thanks.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Yeah, I think so, you know, for everything, everything,
Speaker 3: everything it says, the way it's put together, Jimmy Stewart,
Speaker 3: the whole that that character, Clarence, is it Clarence old Body,
Speaker 3: the second Angel, the second last Angel, Clarence.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just love that character.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's up there with like Christmas Carol in terms
Speaker 1: of message, you know what I mean. There's sort of
Speaker 1: no better message in the film probably than that film.
Speaker 2: I think so. I do think so.
Speaker 3: And the idea of you know, when he's going when
Speaker 3: he's going to commence us, when he's going to jump
Speaker 3: off that bridge, the genius move of Clarence jumping in
Speaker 3: the water so that Jimmy Stewart just dives in and
Speaker 3: because he knew he'd save him. I just love that,
Speaker 3: And you know, it's such a great move. And I
Speaker 3: loved how opening was about being an angel afterwards.
Speaker 2: I just that was just brilliant.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I do love that movie.
Speaker 1: Okay, you can have it. What is the film you
Speaker 1: could or have WA's the most over and over again,
Speaker 1: I think it's The Blues Brothers. Nice that film I saw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that cast, what is the most incredible cast?
Speaker 3: You know, you've got James Brown, Aretha Franklin, John Lee Hooker,
Speaker 3: You've got Twiggy in that movie.
Speaker 2: Who else is in?
Speaker 3: John Candy Carry the Prince's Letter, John Candy, you know,
Speaker 3: Blue Sheet and Cab Callaway. It just goes on and
Speaker 3: it's sort of I think on paper you sort of
Speaker 3: saying that film that can't really work, and it's just
Speaker 3: kind of a series of gigs. But yeah, I think
Speaker 3: it's so funny, and there's one bit of business in
Speaker 3: it that's that I is one of my favorite. I
Speaker 3: think that's when I realized that, like you can do
Speaker 3: something physically with words that will end up often being
Speaker 3: my favorite moment. So there's a bit at the beginning
Speaker 3: of that film when Belisi gets in that cop car
Speaker 3: with Ark Royd and he's upset that he's being picked
Speaker 3: up in a in a cock car and he lights
Speaker 3: his cigarette with the car lighter and he just lights
Speaker 3: the cigarette and he just loves it out the window
Speaker 3: and he does it in such a nonsalowent way, and
Speaker 3: I thought, what a brilliant choice.
Speaker 1: It's great that film. It's so fun, it's really fun. Great,
Speaker 1: you can have it. We don't know, to be negative,
Speaker 1: you and me so let's not dwell in this bit.
Speaker 1: But what's the worst film we've ever seen?
Speaker 2: Right? Well, I'm going to say The Phantom Thread?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 2: Whoa?
Speaker 1: How done?
Speaker 3: Why? I went to see The Phantom Thread at the
Speaker 3: cinema and I hated it. It was not it was
Speaker 3: not it was not the final day Lewis performance I wanted.
Speaker 3: It wasn't the character I wanted him to play, It
Speaker 3: wasn't the subject master I wanted to see.
Speaker 2: I found it boring. I just soggy.
Speaker 3: I really really hated that film, and I came out
Speaker 3: going what on earth was that?
Speaker 2: Honest?
Speaker 3: And then but then later I revisited it and realized
Speaker 3: that it is an absolute masterpiece and it is genuinely
Speaker 3: in my top three films.
Speaker 1: Thank god, Yeah, thank god. You nearly lost you nearly
Speaker 1: lost me. And I was generally I was sitting and
Speaker 1: thinking this might be one of the best episodes. I
Speaker 1: was about to burn it to delete the fire.
Speaker 2: You know. I have a funny thing with the genius
Speaker 2: that is Paul Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 3: I went to see Inherent Vice on thirty five mail
Speaker 3: at the cursin Soho and that the first time I'd
Speaker 3: seen it, and that was not what I wanted.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: That not the film I wanted it to be.
Speaker 3: And again I was really, well, that was beforehand, so
Speaker 3: I was really upset about it, and I was like,
Speaker 3: that is like some like the Big Lebowski on Mogadon
Speaker 3: or something, some dodgy.
Speaker 2: I just hated it.
Speaker 3: And then I and then I got into it against
Speaker 3: through listening to the Johnny Greenwood soundtrack and thinking, actually, though,
Speaker 3: the music's good, isn't it. And then I watched it
Speaker 3: again and realized that it's an absolute masterpiece and that
Speaker 3: it is hilarious. And I had no idea how completely
Speaker 3: genius whacking Phoenix is in that film, and how just
Speaker 3: how funny and bizarre his choices are.
Speaker 2: They're amazing. He's incredible, isn't it.
Speaker 1: He's got great physical comedy in it, like the best
Speaker 1: amazing physical The way he falls over is amazing in
Speaker 1: that film.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: He does this one walk past in the back of shop,
Speaker 3: like really slowly at one point for no reason, when
Speaker 3: he's creeping about that house, and it's one of the
Speaker 3: funniest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: Reminds me a little bit.
Speaker 3: Of who's that amazing actor James Mason in Lo Lisa,
Speaker 3: James Mason, James Mason. Yeah, should we post in the
Speaker 3: rest of this chat like James Mason and he was,
Speaker 3: and he does.
Speaker 2: He does these really straight I got it, so like
Speaker 2: Prince Charles, but he does these really bizarre choices that.
Speaker 3: Are a bit that are really funny and quirky and weird,
Speaker 3: a bit like Whacking Phoenix and that film. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a phantom streight. But I just have to
Speaker 3: reiterate that I watched that film lots now if I
Speaker 3: love that.
Speaker 1: Film, yeah, so good, so good. I also think what's
Speaker 1: interesting is you're saying this about Paul Thomas, and I
Speaker 1: think it's maybe if you're saying this wasn't the film
Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be into it. It's
Speaker 1: because his films are so original and so hard to
Speaker 1: pin down, and they're not All of them are like
Speaker 1: not quite what you might think they are as a
Speaker 1: genre or you know, like, yeah, they all go in
Speaker 1: odd directions, they're all very singular, and so I su
Speaker 1: guess if you're like, oh, it's this kind of film
Speaker 1: and then it isn't, yeah, maybe that's the first time, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: none of them kind of follow a template of is
Speaker 1: this sort of film.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not at all. They're in their own realm, aren't they.
Speaker 3: There's always something sort of unfathomable about them and mysterious that.
Speaker 2: But I think that irritating. I now know not to
Speaker 2: trust myself sometimes.
Speaker 3: Things that I have a real aversion to initially are
Speaker 3: often things that I end up absolutely adoring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if it's affected you that strongly, something's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this isn't the same. But I always think
Speaker 1: about when I first saw Mouland Rouge. I was read
Speaker 1: jetlagged and I saw it in New York right when
Speaker 1: it just come out, and I fucking hated it. Hate it.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is so oh, it's exhausting. It's
Speaker 1: like so much old Jesus. And then I dreamt about
Speaker 1: I kept having dreams about it. It was in my
Speaker 1: dreams for like three nights, and then I was like,
Speaker 1: I think and I fucking loved it. I was like,
Speaker 1: this is massive, really like haunted my dreams, and I'd
Speaker 1: left it thinking I hate it. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. I think bas Norman's films can do
Speaker 3: that a little bit. Because when I went to see Elvis, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I came out feeling like I've.
Speaker 1: Been, Elvis, Yeah, you really have.
Speaker 3: I felt like I was just full of burger and
Speaker 3: way loose and I and I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't feel great after that film. I really felt
Speaker 2: quite ill.
Speaker 3: Even though I was adoring Austin Butler's performance, It just Elvis.
Speaker 1: I'm James Mason and I've been.
Speaker 2: I want to watch Police Academy.
Speaker 1: Again, please with father rewinded.
Speaker 2: Tell tell Paul Thomas and Anderson to waiter.
Speaker 1: I'll have to be seeing him twice before I like him.
Speaker 1: What you're in comedy? You're very funny. What's the film
Speaker 1: that made you laugh the most? Such a hard one? Okay,
Speaker 1: cinema experience, best in show? Great?
Speaker 3: Great? Why not Christopher Guest when he's running through that
Speaker 3: list of nuts and mcnamy, well, you know, oh my god,
Speaker 3: he's next level. I watched it again recently and he
Speaker 3: is just next level funny. And then but the thing is,
Speaker 3: and it happened to me again, I watched I showed
Speaker 3: it to my wife recently.
Speaker 2: She hadn't seen it. So you've got to see this film.
Speaker 3: But when I first saw it, I saw it in
Speaker 3: the cinema and Brighton and I was hysterical.
Speaker 2: And it happened to me again.
Speaker 3: By the time Fred Willard comes on, Oh my lord,
Speaker 3: he is just joy in that film, isn't he.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he is really in the zone.
Speaker 2: He is off for Shane.
Speaker 1: And I mean, but but I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's quite interesting that a character can come in.
Speaker 3: So late in a movie and just sort of blow
Speaker 3: the lid off something that was already utterly brilliant and
Speaker 3: hilarious and seemingly do it with such a light touch.
Speaker 1: That's so true. It's fucking He's buggy, funny.
Speaker 2: Too good. Have you ever met him? Have you? No?
Speaker 1: God, he's good, isn't he? Isn't he no longer with us?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: Please tell me Fred Willard is not.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. And if he is, maybe No, I'm going
Speaker 3: to say Fred Willard's definitely still alive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the president to tell you
Speaker 1: he's not.
Speaker 2: Is he?
Speaker 1: Is he?
Speaker 2: Are you serious?
Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Yeah, I don't want to be I want
Speaker 1: to tell you that Fred Willard. Maybe listen, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter because in your head, he lived, he lives, he
Speaker 1: lives on.
Speaker 3: He's with princes, he's with the princess. He's with me now, okay,
Speaker 3: I'm not there with Fred Willard and the Princess. Yeah,
Speaker 3: oh man, you know that. Oh yeah, oh no, I'm.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Dance. You've been phenomenal, one of my favorite guests.
Speaker 1: This has been beautiful and I really appreciate it. However,
Speaker 1: when you were one hundred and one years old, a
Speaker 1: year after you'd got a card from our new king,
Speaker 1: William not Charles because you'd killed him, you went to Glastonbury.
Speaker 1: You told all your friends put money on me dying today.
Speaker 1: They all did. Then you deleted the texta that there
Speaker 1: was no inside of trading, no fraud could be detected.
Speaker 1: You also said to everyone, make sure this message not
Speaker 1: on your phone. And we never discussed this again. Meet
Speaker 1: me at Glassy, they'll meet it, bless me, and you go, did.
Speaker 2: You do it?
Speaker 1: You do it? Did you do it?
Speaker 2: And they go yeah, and you say, stop talking about it.
Speaker 1: We need no witnesses, and you okay, anyway, slang family
Speaker 1: stone around so you watch your favorite bands. There's Nick
Speaker 1: kh the great Nick Cas there and you have a
Speaker 1: lovely time and you say, oh great, and you all
Speaker 1: go and to a stone circle and you you have
Speaker 1: a couple you have a nice time together, and then
Speaker 1: you kiss everyone having made love by the way in
Speaker 1: the morning for one minute, and then you uh, we
Speaker 1: don't dancing on that's the only way you can be aroused.
Speaker 1: And then you go. You go to the top of hill.
Speaker 1: You have a cup of Tina flat jack, and then
Speaker 1: you cook some area with up on his food and
Speaker 1: you inject it. You're inject it into your veins, and
Speaker 1: you od and you nod off and you die. And
Speaker 1: I've been at the festival, you know. I'm like a
Speaker 1: fucking love glass and I'm like, and I see your
Speaker 1: lovely wife and I say, oh, where's them, Jimmy, and
Speaker 1: she's She goes, oh, he's bagging a load of smack
Speaker 1: up that hill. And I go, oh cool.
Speaker 2: I go have a look and I go up.
Speaker 1: There and I'm fuck, he's kndded after this guy. You
Speaker 1: are a bloated mess. That flap date, the calves and
Speaker 1: the combination the carbs and smack have just bloated you up.
Speaker 1: And I got up bloody and I see you. I
Speaker 1: see your wife. If you got any did you bring
Speaker 1: like a picnic the hamper? She goes, yeah, so you've
Speaker 1: got any knives? In there. She goes, yeah, so comment
Speaker 1: we start chopping you up because there's too much of
Speaker 1: your chopping upchopping up, chopping out, chopping out. Pile you
Speaker 1: into the coffin I've got with me because you know
Speaker 1: what I'm like. And the coffin is absolutely round because
Speaker 1: of all the smacking carbs you're having. It is jam
Speaker 1: packed in this compent. It's fucking full. There's only enough
Speaker 1: room really for me to slide one DVD into the
Speaker 1: side for you to take across to the other side.
Speaker 1: And on the other side, it's movie night every night.
Speaker 1: What film are you taking to show? The princes and
Speaker 1: Fred Willard's in Heaven when it's your movie night, Mister
Speaker 1: Jimmy Lance.
Speaker 2: Rocky too.
Speaker 1: He's vulnerable, he's hard, he's beautiful, he's he's back again. Jimmy,
Speaker 1: tell people what they should listen to or look out
Speaker 1: for or watch in the coming months or years that
Speaker 1: you may be a part of.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure yet.
Speaker 3: I just I've just landed a job, but I haven't
Speaker 3: done a deal on it yet, so I guess I
Speaker 3: can't talk about it. But it's going to be good.
Speaker 3: But look out, I'll be saying something somewhere at some point,
Speaker 3: I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you won't miss him, is listen. His hair is
Speaker 1: going forward. Yeah, you won't miss him. At some point.
Speaker 1: It'll just be hair, hair, eyebrows. Yeah, that's it. I
Speaker 1: love you. Thank you for doing this. I hope you
Speaker 1: have a wonderful death. He's lovely seeing you, I see you, see.
Speaker 1: Thanks man, it's been great. You've made me realize how
Speaker 1: much I love movies as well, which is great. You
Speaker 1: do love movies, you do. Thank you man. Soon cheers, brother,
Speaker 1: good night, goodbye. So that was episode two hundred and fifty.
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Speaker 1: all for listening. I very much hope you're all well.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much to Jimmy for being so open
Speaker 1: for giving me his time. Thanks to Scruby's Pippin that
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Speaker 1: producing it. Thanks to iHeartMedia and Will Ferrell's Big Money
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