Speaker 1: Tension increases as the seven top knitters in the land
Speaker 1: prepare their needles for combat.
Speaker 2: So, Tony, Michael, do you know what I heard?
Speaker 3: I have a feeling you're about to tell me.
Speaker 1: On this final judgment day Speed and Accuracy in following
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Speaker 4: I have an on good authority that Max Verstaffan is
Speaker 4: planning on retiring and devoting all of his time to
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Speaker 1: New South Wales wool Knit Off champion Missus Green has
Speaker 1: been knitting for over fifty years.
Speaker 3: Interesting this year.
Speaker 1: A surprising new Challenger X racing driver from Holland and
Speaker 1: mister Max fust Tarpan had an early start at the
Speaker 1: age of four.
Speaker 3: And you know I'm going to ask this, but who
Speaker 3: are your sources?
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't tell you that.
Speaker 4: Let's just say it gossip.
Speaker 5: It's it.
Speaker 4: Go for My Heart podcast one on one Studios and
Speaker 4: Sports Illustrated Studios.
Speaker 3: This is choosing sides one. Wow. Wow, Michael. Yes, I
Speaker 3: have a question for you.
Speaker 2: I thought questions were my job and your job was
Speaker 2: the answers.
Speaker 3: We're shaking it up. Do you think we can have
Speaker 3: sports and athletes without that entertainment factor like our sports
Speaker 3: just a form of entertainment or should sports be put
Speaker 3: in their own category of human activity? Can we separate
Speaker 3: the two.
Speaker 4: I love that question because that question immediately identifies that
Speaker 4: sport is entertainment. You know, lots of times I think
Speaker 4: fans forget that sport is entertainment. First, we're selling tickets, yep,
Speaker 4: so that is very important, but should have been a
Speaker 4: separate category.
Speaker 2: I like this idea. I like this idea.
Speaker 3: It's one I think that's come up a lot, especially
Speaker 3: in the Formula one world, where for some reason people
Speaker 3: seem to think that if one used to be just
Speaker 3: about sports, and I think they forget the genesis of Formula.
Speaker 2: One, but I mean just about sports, not about entertainment.
Speaker 3: It was which you know, again it was started with amateurs,
Speaker 3: so they were hardly the greatest, biggest athletes. I think
Speaker 3: the average age on the grid, you know, back in
Speaker 3: the fifties was probably forty or fifty year.
Speaker 2: Old, right.
Speaker 3: But it came out because there was a great piece
Speaker 3: that was written by It is of a blackstock where
Speaker 3: she highlights the fact and I think you'll appreciate this,
Speaker 3: but she highlights the fact that the Formula one owners
Speaker 3: I Liberty Media are currently stuck marketing a sport when
Speaker 3: they were actually sold entertainment.
Speaker 4: That is a big difference. You know, those are two
Speaker 4: very different things. Look, if you're asking me, which sounds
Speaker 4: like you are, I don't need a T shirt, gun,
Speaker 4: I don't need a dance squad. I mean, the halftime
Speaker 4: show is fine, but I'm here to watch the event.
Speaker 4: I'm here to watch the sport.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm actually here to convince you otherwise.
Speaker 2: Of course you are, Tony, that you are.
Speaker 3: In fact missing out on a huge element of what
Speaker 3: if one actually has to offer. And to help me out,
Speaker 3: we have assembled an amazing team of super fans and experts.
Speaker 4: You know, Tony never just gives you her opinion. She
Speaker 4: gives your opinion, and then she hassembles all this evidence
Speaker 4: to sway you.
Speaker 3: I assemble the A team.
Speaker 6: So I am Rashi. Everyone in the entire world probably
Speaker 6: knows me as my Instagram page name, which is amazing. Lou.
Speaker 7: So I'm Hannah. I am one half of the Fan
Speaker 7: Behavior podcast.
Speaker 2: I am Zoe.
Speaker 5: I am the other half of fan Behavior, and our
Speaker 5: goal is really just to bring people together, fangirls, fanboys, really,
Speaker 5: whoever you are.
Speaker 3: And this next voice you might find familiar.
Speaker 8: I'm considering getting two fish in twenty twenty four, and
Speaker 8: I'm gonna name them Lewis Hamilfin and then Adrian Bowie.
Speaker 4: That's a voice. I recognize those puns. I recognize those puns.
Speaker 8: Lilly Herman, writer editor by trade. In the context of
Speaker 8: F one, I did co host season one of Choosing
Speaker 8: Sides F one, so I am very familiar with everyone.
Speaker 8: I'm here to be a menace to Yohai and then
Speaker 8: elsewhere in F one. I am the creator of the
Speaker 8: F one culture newsletter Engine Fail.
Speaker 3: What would you say fans are missing out if they
Speaker 3: only watch the race, Like, do you actually understand formula one?
Speaker 3: If you do is tune in for the race and
Speaker 3: then tune out.
Speaker 8: It's almost like going from a two D looking at
Speaker 8: a two D shape like a circle into a three
Speaker 8: D sphere right, or like a square into a cube.
Speaker 8: Like you just see more dimensions, more layers, more pandemonium,
Speaker 8: more tension, more stakes. They all exist the more you
Speaker 8: know about the sport.
Speaker 5: I love a story.
Speaker 2: I love like watching a story.
Speaker 7: I feel much more invested in something if I understand
Speaker 7: how we got here and where it came from.
Speaker 8: Look at Alpine for instance. Obviously you might say, ah,
Speaker 8: a French team with two French drivers. That seems a
Speaker 8: little emotional and dramatic to begin with. But then if
Speaker 8: you know that Pierre Gasley and Estabonocon have had this
Speaker 8: weird tension friction rivalry going back to their teen years
Speaker 8: and they had some massive falling out after having been
Speaker 8: friends for many years, that adds a layer. And then
Speaker 8: if you had the extra layer of Ralph Schumacher going
Speaker 8: on a you know, a network program in a different
Speaker 8: country and claiming it's it's because one stole the other's
Speaker 8: girlfriend when they were fourteen, Like that's nuts, That is
Speaker 8: absolutely hilarious.
Speaker 9: Yeah, wait, what the fuck you what it's second anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 9: we're just consident off.
Speaker 4: Please serious, you're saying serious?
Speaker 3: I thought.
Speaker 8: But then you yeah, you watch them on the racetrack
Speaker 8: and of course you know there's times where like Pierre
Speaker 8: does something to Esteban Estmon makes a comment over the radio.
Speaker 8: You better understand it's not just about oh, it's my teammate,
Speaker 8: my competitor, you know that dynamic, it's these guys have
Speaker 8: a lifetime of history together, had very different upbringings have
Speaker 8: been competing together since they were literal children, and now
Speaker 8: they're on the same team, and they both everyone speaks French.
Speaker 8: They're just cursing each other out and in multiple languages,
Speaker 8: and I'm having.
Speaker 4: I probably have older you know, Okay, boomer beliefs on
Speaker 4: this topic. Okay, I think talent and performance should be
Speaker 4: the top deciding factory. But I'm a comedian who values
Speaker 4: and prides myself on being funny, but have struggled with
Speaker 4: the marketing, you know, in my own opinion, struggle with
Speaker 4: the marketing side of this shit. And then you see
Speaker 4: younger comics who are so good at marketing, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: they can't even tell a joke. So I'm coming at
Speaker 4: it from like Grandpa's mad. Yeah, you know, so I'm
Speaker 4: very fully aware of that. I do think Lebron James
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan was fully aware of the marketing but was
Speaker 4: such a complicated person. Lebron James came on the scene
Speaker 4: and it's just as like, holy shit, he's not only
Speaker 4: the best player, but also is the best marketing. Is
Speaker 4: also fully branded at an early age. So what was
Speaker 4: your question?
Speaker 3: My question was, do you are you in this day
Speaker 3: and age, and you kind of answered it. My question was,
Speaker 3: in this day and age, do you think it is
Speaker 3: fair that we expect these athletes to be top of
Speaker 3: their game, the best in their industry, also incredibly marketable presence,
Speaker 3: have a great presence on social media, be willing to
Speaker 3: do all the press conferences, be willing to do the
Speaker 3: late night show. I'm curious for both of you if
Speaker 3: there was a particular moment where you're like, oh, this
Speaker 3: is it.
Speaker 5: I'm hooked the second that Daniel Ricardo came on screen. Honestly,
Speaker 5: same for me. I often lovingly for too. Daniel as
Speaker 5: the gateway drug. I think there's so many people, countless
Speaker 5: people that really have Danie Ricardo to credit for why
Speaker 5: they are f one fans or or why they initially
Speaker 5: became Formula one fans.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was right away when he said that he was
Speaker 5: Danie Riccardo and he was a car mechanic.
Speaker 4: I was invested. Forgive my ignorance, has he won anything?
Speaker 4: But I mean, I like the guy I'm Adam the
Speaker 4: Daily Show very not no, but I just like where
Speaker 4: it's not cool to me when the marketing is so
Speaker 4: far ahead of the performance.
Speaker 3: But maybe that has helped him stay in the game
Speaker 3: more so than anyone else.
Speaker 4: I was going to say the same thing, Yeah, it's smart,
Speaker 4: stay alive.
Speaker 5: I will never not root for him because he was
Speaker 5: the first person that I connected with, and in some
Speaker 5: weird way, I feel like I owe him, like he
Speaker 5: is the reason that I'm here doing this, and so
Speaker 5: I feel like he deserves that from me because I
Speaker 5: almost it's almost like a thank you to him, like
Speaker 5: I will never not cheer for you because I'm so
Speaker 5: grateful to you for getting me in this position, which
Speaker 5: is what I would tell him if I ever met him.
Speaker 4: I think they're always gonna go for this. The brands
Speaker 4: behind the drivers are always going to try to get
Speaker 4: this because this is the sweet spot with the most
Speaker 4: amount of money and the most amount of But they
Speaker 4: all can't do it. And they all cannot do it.
Speaker 4: It's gonna backfire, it's gonna be problematic at times, and
Speaker 4: it's gonna feel clunky, and thanks to money and fame,
Speaker 4: I felt I was entitled. Look at Tiger woods Man.
Speaker 4: You know, they created this, he had the talent, they
Speaker 4: created the story, everything was perfect, and it was a
Speaker 4: fucking disaster. I mean now, it's a disaster. The guy
Speaker 4: is like a pussy hound who can't stay off pain
Speaker 4: meds and crash his car every six months.
Speaker 2: You can quote me on all that.
Speaker 4: It's insane. It's like, is that really good for golf?
Speaker 4: I brought this shame on myself. I hurt my wife,
Speaker 4: my kids.
Speaker 3: We like putting people on pedestals so hard and then
Speaker 3: bring yeah, yeah, that we can't. But I think so
Speaker 3: here's the thing. I know you're not the biggest fan
Speaker 3: of Maxistappen, but I do think when we have this conversation,
Speaker 3: Maxistappen is a perfect example of someone who has sheer talent, dedication,
Speaker 3: shows up, does the job, does not care about anything else.
Speaker 8: Everyone will agree. I think his fans would agree, and
Speaker 8: that's what they love about him. He's there to race,
Speaker 8: he's rough around the edges. When he's done racing, he's
Speaker 8: probably gonna jet off and we're not gonna hear fro
Speaker 8: him that often until he shows up to race for
Speaker 8: something else or what have you.
Speaker 3: But that also means that the media narrative is not
Speaker 3: in his control, in his hands, and he's been painted
Speaker 3: as a villain.
Speaker 2: I love that he doesn't do that bullshit.
Speaker 4: I love that he wins the races and says that's
Speaker 4: what's This is how I'm communicating to you.
Speaker 3: There you go.
Speaker 4: That's a Jimmy Conners vibe in tennis. Oh you think
Speaker 4: I'm an asshole? I just won the tournament.
Speaker 2: It's over. It does I don't even have to do
Speaker 2: an interview. I can do what I want.
Speaker 4: I love that. And if you know when that works.
Speaker 3: When you win, When he.
Speaker 4: Starts placing six over and over again, the brands, the
Speaker 4: sponsors are going to say, like, you gotta do this podcast,
Speaker 4: you gotta do the thing you know?
Speaker 3: So would I don't stick around?
Speaker 2: Oh, they don't stick around. Yeah, and that's okay too.
Speaker 5: I think he is an incredible driver, but I don't
Speaker 5: have that level of Oh I feel a kinship or
Speaker 5: a connection or I'm searching for your content.
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 5: See you off the track. Whereas a driver like Yuki Sonoda.
Speaker 4: Yuki, how many eight year olds would it take to
Speaker 4: beat you in a fight?
Speaker 10: Oh, eight years is quite good, age seven.
Speaker 5: I could watch Yuki content all day, every day. Give
Speaker 5: me more of it.
Speaker 10: You could only use one curse word for the rest
Speaker 10: of your life.
Speaker 4: What would it be?
Speaker 10: Fuck.
Speaker 5: Everyone loves him, and I think a lot of it
Speaker 5: has to do with the fact that he's so likable
Speaker 5: off track, and I think anyone that says they don't
Speaker 5: allow the driver off track personality to influence how they
Speaker 5: feel about the driver on track, I think is lying
Speaker 5: because how can you not?
Speaker 2: What are the rumors in gossip F one? Right now?
Speaker 3: Where do you even start?
Speaker 2: I feel like, let's start with sex.
Speaker 3: You know what, That's the perfect cliff to hang an
Speaker 3: at break.
Speaker 2: On short break, folks, we'll be right back.
Speaker 3: And we're back Cossa, you asked about the gossip. I'm
Speaker 3: actually gonna let the Queen of salaciousness feel this one herself.
Speaker 8: There's been something that I have dubbed wagaged in where
Speaker 8: most of the drivers dumped their long term girlfriends in
Speaker 8: the same like four to six months span, and all
Speaker 8: almost all of them got new girlfriends. And why that
Speaker 8: matters is that there's been this enormous turnover in a
Speaker 8: lot of the ways F one culture works, be it
Speaker 8: people keeping track of what these various significant others are
Speaker 8: wearing to the track or they you know, certain significant
Speaker 8: others used to post photos and videos of the drivers
Speaker 8: and obviously, now they're off the grid, some of those
Speaker 8: ex partners are posting some kind of shady TikTok videos
Speaker 8: and Instagram posts that are kind of fun and intriguing
Speaker 8: to follow. But again, it's kind of a case of
Speaker 8: when you follow that stuff, you do get a more interesting,
Speaker 8: colorful picture of what's going on. But yeah, Waggageddon is
Speaker 8: my big one.
Speaker 4: Wagga geddon All right, give us the juice who broke
Speaker 4: up with him?
Speaker 8: Okay, it all kicked off, I would say, even last September,
Speaker 8: Lando Norris put out this weird statement about him and
Speaker 8: his girlfriend Luisa breaking up, and then he deleted it
Speaker 8: minutes later, so everyone's like, what is going on with this?
Speaker 8: But they broke up and she dealt with a ton
Speaker 8: of cyber bullying just for being Lando Norris's girlfriend, not
Speaker 8: for any particular reason. You then had charl and his
Speaker 8: then girlfriend Charlotte break up and put out identical Instagram
Speaker 8: statements you had here, ghastly sort of, he broke up
Speaker 8: with a different girl. Rest of on Ocan broke up
Speaker 8: with his girlfriend Elena Carlos, who was with his girlfriend
Speaker 8: Lisa for like six seven years. They broke up and
Speaker 8: he got a new girlfriend if you want drama with
Speaker 8: in drama, Carlos signs his new girlfriend Rebecca Donaldson. I
Speaker 8: want to say she's a Scottish model. Her big claim
Speaker 8: to fame or one of her other ones is that
Speaker 8: she dated Scott Disick aka Courtney Kardashians X, whom she
Speaker 8: has three kids with, for a short period of time.
Speaker 8: And Rebecca Donaldson went to the Kardashian Hulu show premiere
Speaker 8: and that was like a mini plot point, was like,
Speaker 8: who's this mysterious woman that Scott Dissick brought to our premiere?
Speaker 8: And it was Rebecca Donaldson, Carlo's lines girlfriend. The layers
Speaker 8: the Kardashian. All roads lead to the Kardashians, is what
Speaker 8: we're learning from this, from this experience is so the
Speaker 8: Kardashians have infiltrated f one inadvertently.
Speaker 3: The way my brain works, I get so overwhelmed by
Speaker 3: the amount of rumors coming out that I just kind
Speaker 3: of block them all out. Which is why I love
Speaker 3: things like Well Lily's newsletter because she tells me exactly
Speaker 3: just the things that I need to know in that space.
Speaker 3: It exactly great read.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what the hell's going on
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, this is interesting.
Speaker 3: You go, I get the load down. So she's she's
Speaker 3: you know, she's the queen when it comes to actually
Speaker 3: not just giving us the rumors, but telling us how
Speaker 3: it fits into the board a spectrum.
Speaker 4: Can I give you a little, a little insight into
Speaker 4: my brain?
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
Speaker 4: Like when I'm watching a sport and they cut to
Speaker 4: the section of wives and girlfriends, why because I like
Speaker 4: seeing how beautiful these women are.
Speaker 2: You know, that's it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's it. I told you it
Speaker 4: was okay. No, I mean it's always well, no, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of reasons. But of course it's fun to
Speaker 4: just see the section of beautiful women. But I always
Speaker 4: feel like there's tension between them too. Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 4: love that part. Like at a soccer team when they
Speaker 4: cut to the section and it's like, why didn't you
Speaker 4: pass them?
Speaker 3: That's not a trope of history. We love to pay
Speaker 3: women against each other.
Speaker 4: Of course, and I'm an advocate of history.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Or Michael just canceled.
Speaker 4: Himself once again, Michael Costa cancels himself. But I mean,
Speaker 4: you know what, I've also learned that if i'm thinking it,
Speaker 4: I'm not the only one. So let's talk, Tony.
Speaker 3: Let's talk.
Speaker 7: We are fans of these drivers, We are curious about
Speaker 7: their lives. That comes with who they're married to, who
Speaker 7: they're dating. But I also don't think it's necessarily fair
Speaker 7: that they like get put under this microscope when they're
Speaker 7: not necessarily posting about their boyfriend. So to me, the
Speaker 7: girlfriends that I feel like really resonate with myself, and
Speaker 7: I think Zoe would feel similarly is Carmen, who's dating
Speaker 7: George Russell, and Lily, who is dating Alex Albert.
Speaker 3: She's brilliant, by the way, she's a pro golfer too.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, much different speeds, very different speeds.
Speaker 3: They're a duo that clearly don't like social but I'm
Speaker 3: very good at.
Speaker 4: It's always annoying when somebody's good at it.
Speaker 3: Two, she did the BTS footage of him trying to
Speaker 3: do a campaign on TikTok for Seavey moisturizing, and it
Speaker 3: was such a smart move to showcase how idiotic we
Speaker 3: all look trying to do these TikTok videos, and she's
Speaker 3: just in hysterics, and you're just like, that's actually cute,
Speaker 3: because we shouldn't take all of this to your point,
Speaker 3: this is sports. We should always take everything seriously.
Speaker 5: I also find it interesting the wives and girlfriends that
Speaker 5: have taken their platform and used it to then pursue
Speaker 5: other things outside of being the partner of a Formula
Speaker 5: One driver, whether that's brand deals, working with sponsors. People
Speaker 5: have different feelings on that. I think some people feel
Speaker 5: like you shouldn't use your relationship to make money. Other
Speaker 5: people think why not you have this great platform. I
Speaker 5: don't really have an opinion on that. I just think
Speaker 5: it's an interesting thing to navigate.
Speaker 3: Do you know who Morgan Riddle is?
Speaker 11: So? Morgan Riddle is dating Taylor Fritz. Taylor Fritz is
Speaker 11: a very well known and famous American tennis player. There's
Speaker 11: also a show now on Netflix called Breakpoint. Breakpoint is
Speaker 11: to Tennis, What drive to survive?
Speaker 3: Everyone's trying and they're all going to fail. That can
Speaker 3: be a whole other season on that. But what's interesting
Speaker 3: is this whole piece was about her role in tennis,
Speaker 3: not from within the bubble, not pretending to be a
Speaker 3: tennis expert, but from actually the position where she sits,
Speaker 3: and she is a lifestyle and fashion influencer and Wimbledon
Speaker 3: did some think really incredible, which is Wimbledon decided, Hey,
Speaker 3: you are good looking, you're great with fashion, you're great
Speaker 3: on camera. You've got your whole audience, and we are
Speaker 3: noticing that. Little girls and little boys come up to
Speaker 3: you and go, you're the reason I'm in tennis. And
Speaker 3: she doesn't pretend she's like I barely interested in matches.
Speaker 3: I look at them because my boyfriend is playing, and
Speaker 3: so that got me interested. So I'm not going to
Speaker 3: pretend I'm something I'm not. But I do love getting
Speaker 3: ready for a tennis match. I do love putting time
Speaker 3: and effort into the outfits I pick. And when she
Speaker 3: was at Wimbledon, she did that as well, and so
Speaker 3: Wimbledon what they did was give her a fashion segment.
Speaker 10: Tell me what inspired Alvidz say, mine's a combination of
Speaker 10: Preppe modern and I think the outfit was also inspired
Speaker 10: by Sean Mendes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, che genius call threads. It's on YouTube. It's actually
Speaker 3: pretty popular.
Speaker 4: And there I should jump in quickly. No sport cuts
Speaker 4: to the wife or player box more than tennis.
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: I mean almost after every point constantly.
Speaker 12: Said in there, you pointed to your people up there
Speaker 12: and said, I told you, what did you tell them?
Speaker 4: My girlfriend thought I was too too confident going on.
Speaker 4: She was getting an incredible and just always does the
Speaker 4: box always does an incredible amount of camera close.
Speaker 12: Organ up there said if Tyler wins again, I'm gonna
Speaker 12: eat a jar of veggiemight.
Speaker 5: On Instagram Live.
Speaker 3: The reason I had a moment of Oh, we're in
Speaker 3: trouble in Formula one when Wimbledon, one of the most
Speaker 3: archaic sports out there, is beating us in terms of
Speaker 3: getting creative and utilizing the wives and the girlfriends and
Speaker 3: treating them like ambassadors with an actual role in this
Speaker 3: industry to actually tap into brand new audiences. And that's
Speaker 3: what I mean where it's like I might not follow
Speaker 3: the gossip, but these women, the way they dress, what
Speaker 3: they stand for, the work that they do, are bringing
Speaker 3: in a whole new court of fans of the sport
Speaker 3: that might not just be in for it for the
Speaker 3: tech or the speed, but they're just like, I love
Speaker 3: what this sport represents. I love that it's a traveling circus.
Speaker 3: I love the fashion, I love the glitz, I love
Speaker 3: the glamor, and is nothing wrong about that? So anyway,
Speaker 3: I had this moment of oh crap, we're in trouble
Speaker 3: when tennis is beating us to the punch.
Speaker 7: Here, I's love for five hours last night, which like,
Speaker 7: if you guys know my sleep, I'm like a ten
Speaker 7: to twelve hour kind of gal.
Speaker 4: To your point about Morgan, yeah, I might get in
Speaker 4: trouble for saying this. It's probably stupid for me to
Speaker 4: say it that.
Speaker 10: Maybe don't Tony, Tony, Tony.
Speaker 4: My favorite part of Taylor Fritz's tennis is Morgan. You know,
Speaker 4: I just he bums me out so many times with attitude, effort, result. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and she's this breath of fresh air in his tennis world.
Speaker 3: The thing that I love about her is she gives
Speaker 3: the middle finger to anyone who's like, why the hell
Speaker 3: is she even there? She doesn't care about ten and
Speaker 3: she's like, bring it on. This is great for social clouts.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna lie to you guys.
Speaker 7: I do take melatonin drug myself with Zequel.
Speaker 5: I'll take some gummies.
Speaker 11: Knock myself out.
Speaker 10: I just wanted to make one sort of introduce, one
Speaker 10: sort of thought or claim here. Every form of entertainment
Speaker 10: needs to be something else other than just entertainment. And
Speaker 10: showing people at a good time. It has to include
Speaker 10: some kind of other function for it to be a value. Example, comedy,
Speaker 10: I think comedy is basically a form of popularizing philosophy
Speaker 10: and how you think about life. Also, it helps people
Speaker 10: talk and think about very difficult issues and break taboos.
Speaker 10: And I think sports role in society and f one
Speaker 10: as part of that, is in a way to subdue
Speaker 10: a lot of our inherent violence, both as individuals and society.
Speaker 2: This is the smartest thing you ever said to me.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and just sort of like create a place where
Speaker 10: you can be incredibly competitive and destructive and violent and
Speaker 10: then turn around and just shake hands and walk home
Speaker 10: as friends.
Speaker 4: This is why commentators don't do this anymore, thankfully. But
Speaker 4: there used to be so much, so much war terminology
Speaker 4: used in football too, you know, get the troops together
Speaker 4: on the trenches. And this is very common because it
Speaker 4: does tie into this life or death feeling. But the
Speaker 4: reason I hate when they do that is it's like,
Speaker 4: this isn't real stakes, this is Goofy's are kidding right now.
Speaker 4: But I like this, and I like analyzing what each
Speaker 4: sport really is providing for us on a much deeper
Speaker 4: level interesting.
Speaker 2: The following is a public service announcement joke.
Speaker 8: One you publicly single again, I mightna say keep saying
Speaker 8: publicly single, because you know, we don't know what there's
Speaker 8: certain shanigans I don't need to know about how your
Speaker 8: body is taken and Ricardo taken. You can see not
Speaker 8: a publicly single mentioned a girlfriend on a live stream
Speaker 8: but like a year ago and has never brought her
Speaker 8: up again, so no one really knows. Fernando Alonso in
Speaker 8: an odd territory where he's been linked to another F
Speaker 8: one journalist, which is would be his second F one
Speaker 8: journalist in a row that he would be dating. Strolls taken,
Speaker 8: Charlotte Cross Are taken, Kevin and Nico were, Mary Rando
Speaker 8: Norris another murky one where there's endless conspiracies about if
Speaker 8: Lando is dating his ex hooking up with random people.
Speaker 8: He's a guy in his mid twenty sewing his seeds
Speaker 8: and as long as it's consensual and safe, then none
Speaker 8: of my business, that's right, right. Lewis Hamilton publicly single
Speaker 8: and Logan Sergeant publicly single, though again you kind of
Speaker 8: hear rumors here and there, and he does follow a
Speaker 8: lot of Instagram models and bikini models on social media.
Speaker 4: So end of public service announcement.
Speaker 3: And another thing that found seemed to read enough is
Speaker 3: when the drivers share that hobbies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering, what are some of their hobbies?
Speaker 4: Do they have a life outside of just racing?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Lando picked up photography.
Speaker 7: I guess that was fun for us, and so then
Speaker 7: Daniel picked up photography because he doesn't like being left out.
Speaker 7: Then it became everyone needs a jpeg account and it's like, no,
Speaker 7: they don't, No, they don't. It's fine, they don't all
Speaker 7: need to go get cameras and like figure it out.
Speaker 7: I think Lando tried to be a DJ for a
Speaker 7: minute or two Saturday.
Speaker 1: My DJ career has come to an end already.
Speaker 7: That was fun.
Speaker 4: London.
Speaker 11: What's up about your license?
Speaker 4: By the way, why are you a sea license?
Speaker 7: And I don't think max Ley's the simulator, so I'm
Speaker 7: not really sure what else he does.
Speaker 3: Mike, I almost massively fucked up the last gain I
Speaker 3: break so late. Well, we have some drivers who like
Speaker 3: to flex their musical talent.
Speaker 1: You have.
Speaker 8: Charlotte Clear has put out some classical piano compositions that
Speaker 8: are very moody. Ahead a friend who's a classical piano
Speaker 8: officionado listen to them, and his response, his very southern response,
Speaker 8: because he's from the South, was like, you know what,
Speaker 8: he loves what he's doing and that's good for him.
Speaker 8: So there was no compliment in that in that review.
Speaker 3: And then of course we have so Lewis Hamilton, who
Speaker 3: also dabbles the music when he's not jumping out for pain.
Speaker 4: That's cool. It's quite vulnerable for someone at this level
Speaker 4: to like share another hobby. It's like when John Mayer
Speaker 4: tried to do stand up comedy and everybody's like hating
Speaker 4: on him immediately, and I'm like, what, it's a famous
Speaker 4: person not allowed to try something different, you know. I
Speaker 4: kind of like that they have the courage to do that.
Speaker 4: That's just really cool.
Speaker 2: This is very likable.
Speaker 3: We love telling people to stay in their legs. We
Speaker 3: love telling politicians to not get involved in tech. We
Speaker 3: love telling comedians to stay out music. We love telling
Speaker 3: athletes to shut up in general. We love telling women
Speaker 3: to just shut up and not talk yeah, and get
Speaker 3: back in the kitchen. My god, if I had a
Speaker 3: penny for every time someone tell me that.
Speaker 2: Oh God, and I apologize to you for that no do.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, it's the reality in the boat. We love,
Speaker 3: but it is fascinating that we love, love love telling
Speaker 3: people to stay in their lanth.
Speaker 2: I'm going to go deeper.
Speaker 3: Tell me.
Speaker 4: I think we just our brains need to create patterns,
Speaker 4: and I think we just it's it's easier for us
Speaker 4: to identify people with labels. You go in the kitchen,
Speaker 4: you go about It's just like, it's so complicated. We
Speaker 4: just need to put it like here, here and here.
Speaker 4: But it's a constant battle not to do that. I
Speaker 4: find myself doing it all the time. I don't want
Speaker 4: people to do that to me, and then I do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we like patterns, We feel comfortable. Patterns,
Speaker 3: don't scare up.
Speaker 2: Patterns save our life for many reasons.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if two of my family members got eaten by
Speaker 4: a saber tooth tiger, I'm not going to hang with
Speaker 4: saber to tigers. Okay, And that's why I'm here because
Speaker 4: I'm a biological, evolutionary scientific expert. Let's keep moving, yo, high.
Speaker 4: I remember last season we talked a little bit about
Speaker 4: the driver's sense of fashion or lack thereof anything new
Speaker 4: in that arena.
Speaker 6: I think fashion is a way how these personalities they
Speaker 6: show who they are. Lewis as we know him, he's
Speaker 6: such a strong personality. Now, I think one of the
Speaker 6: major reasons why I support him is because of the
Speaker 6: way how he shows up for himself. I think that's
Speaker 6: why he has one of the biggest fan base, at
Speaker 6: least in the current times. It's because he shows who
Speaker 6: he is by wearing you know, all these clothes, my
Speaker 6: collaborating with all these brands. That's how a lot of
Speaker 6: fans are able to connect with him so rashly.
Speaker 3: For example, runs an immensely popular Sir Lewis Hamilton fan
Speaker 3: account that is devoted entirely to Sir Hamilton's wardrobe. Specifically,
Speaker 3: she tracks down every single item of clothing he is
Speaker 3: publicly seen wearing.
Speaker 6: Wow, it was out of personal interest, like I wanted
Speaker 6: to know what he's wearing. So that's why I just
Speaker 6: casually started posting about it. And now it's it's become
Speaker 6: such a huge thing, Like everyone wants to know the
Speaker 6: socks he's wearing, the hearings he's wearing.
Speaker 10: So is it a lot of like detective work You
Speaker 10: have to sort of like find out who makes those songs?
Speaker 6: Oh, yeah, oh yeah. I feel like I have to
Speaker 6: search every corner of the internet. And it's such an
Speaker 6: intense task during race weekends because I usually have like
Speaker 6: a million messages waiting for me on Twitter and on
Speaker 6: Instagram asking what he's wearing. As soon as he arrives,
Speaker 6: people are asking me like what is he wearing? I'm like,
Speaker 6: give me a break, Like, give me, give me five
Speaker 6: minutes to breathe. At least let me see what he's wearing.
Speaker 10: You're not getting a list from this.
Speaker 6: I wish, I wish that would make my job so easy.
Speaker 6: But what I would say is his stylist, Eric, he's
Speaker 6: very very helpful, like he's a sweetheart. Uh, and whenever,
Speaker 6: So whenever he's wearing something custom, right, I have to
Speaker 6: ask him because if he's wearing custom is definitely not
Speaker 6: available on the internet, and I cannot really you know,
Speaker 6: take something as a reference to search for what he's wearing. Sometimes,
Speaker 6: I mean, the outfits are just recognizable, right, like, Okay,
Speaker 6: this is this is the brand he's wearing. Can I
Speaker 6: just go back to his stylist to just cross check
Speaker 6: and ask if what sharing.
Speaker 3: You can recognize this? I wish hell not recognize like
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that is. That is like
Speaker 3: a red T shirt to me, I.
Speaker 8: Think you have more drivers who are aware that that's
Speaker 8: something that people pay attention to. I'd say one of
Speaker 8: the biggest jumps we've seen has been George Russell really
Speaker 8: leaning into his preppy British fashion thing. So Tommy Hill
Speaker 8: Figure is a partner with Mercedes, but George has gone
Speaker 8: beyond just that partnership of what he has to wear
Speaker 8: for a race weekend by like contractual obligations with the team.
Speaker 8: So he's now a global ambassador. Interestingly, his girlfriend Carmen
Speaker 8: Monterra Munt also signed on as a global Tommy Hill
Speaker 8: Figure ambassador. He grew at his hair. He's trying to
Speaker 8: do kind of like a I likened it to like
Speaker 8: Hugh Grant in the nineties Slash first season, Chandler bing
Speaker 8: on Friends, you know, rip Matthew Perry, but that sort
Speaker 8: of hair, that's like what George Russell is doing right now.
Speaker 6: Definitely Joe, So he's definitely the other personality I would
Speaker 6: love to you know, post about because I think he's
Speaker 6: still in those early stages where he's showing what he is.
Speaker 6: He's definitely not very active as Lewis, But then he
Speaker 6: mentioned that he styles himself, so I'm pretty sure he's
Speaker 6: you know, more hands on with when it comes to fashion.
Speaker 3: But focusing on fashion is not only about recognizing and
Speaker 3: calling out all those fancy, high end brands and designer outfits.
Speaker 3: Sometimes what the drivers wear can actually hint at what's
Speaker 3: going on with them emotionally. Nadie Herman, for example, has
Speaker 3: been paying close attention to Charla Claire's trousers.
Speaker 8: He does wear what I call his depression pants. He'll
Speaker 8: show up in these really gaudy, awful pants, which does
Speaker 8: add a layer to the intrigue of Charlott Clair is
Speaker 8: that he'll show up sometimes in these fashion ensembles, if
Speaker 8: we want to call them that, where it's like, man,
Speaker 8: this guy is going through something.
Speaker 3: Wait, Linny, depression pants. Are they a very specific type
Speaker 3: of pants or is it a vibe?
Speaker 8: It's a it's a category of pants. He has these
Speaker 8: these these like he had those knitted white shorts when
Speaker 8: when he wore them, I think everyone there was like
Speaker 8: a collective scream that came through my phone on on Instagram,
Speaker 8: everyone just yelling about these pants of the shorts. He
Speaker 8: had these pair of this pair of like tied tied striped,
Speaker 8: like like distressed blue and white pants that he wore
Speaker 8: this season, and the second they came out, I was like,
Speaker 8: I need to know what happened behind the scenes, because
Speaker 8: this man is not doing well. And then sure enough,
Speaker 8: it was not a good weekend for Charol for many reasons,
Speaker 8: but the pants were definitely the main contributor to me.
Speaker 4: You know, what Formula one drivers from a fashion standpoint
Speaker 4: have going for them is that they're small time, so
Speaker 4: they fit stew rack size. Yeah, exactly like I you know,
Speaker 4: tall people. It always look like idiots and stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: I put on a cardigan today and I said, you're
Speaker 4: not allowed to go outside of the house in this.
Speaker 3: You know, it's actually a great piece that came out
Speaker 3: somewhere that said that not only did the drivers not
Speaker 3: only are they skinny, but they have to stay the
Speaker 3: exact same weight forout the whole year, which I never
Speaker 3: thought about because I'm someone who's weight fluctorates about the
Speaker 3: year each drivers have to stay on the exact same weight, I.
Speaker 4: Would think that there's a potential for eating problems.
Speaker 8: Yeah, big time. There's actually stuffle Van Dorn has talked
Speaker 8: about getting an eating disorder from Formula one and being
Speaker 8: worried about his weight, and obviously there are kind of
Speaker 8: weight limits and other stuff they have now try and
Speaker 8: prevent that. But you've had a lot of questions around
Speaker 8: different drivers over the years. I know there was a
Speaker 8: little bit of controversy last year or the year before
Speaker 8: when Dana Ricardo posted a what I Eat in a
Speaker 8: day video or maybe his trainer posted it, and there
Speaker 8: was a lot of Man, those are tiny portions for
Speaker 8: like a professional athlete, you know. So yeah, it's a
Speaker 8: constant issue, and it's one of those that f one
Speaker 8: kind of sweeps under the rug or pretends isn't real.
Speaker 8: On top of that, are our society in general, not
Speaker 8: just American society or European society but everywhere really doesn't
Speaker 8: know how to talk about male body image issues or
Speaker 8: disordered eating or eating disorders in men. So it all
Speaker 8: kind of feeds into that where things that women do
Speaker 8: we sort of note a flag, but the second men
Speaker 8: do it, they sort of rebrand it, they call it
Speaker 8: biohacking or stuff like that, and society kind of sweeps
Speaker 8: it under the rug. I mean, you know a lot
Speaker 8: of these protein shake, businesses, soilent and all that stuff.
Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of questions about how much
Speaker 8: of that is just kind of, you know, a general
Speaker 8: supplemental thing, and how much of that could be contributing
Speaker 8: to larger problems with how men view food and their parties.
Speaker 3: These drivers get weight after every time they come off
Speaker 3: the track. Yeah, like that would be my work. Imagine
Speaker 3: if we both got weight.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, is Yo Hi weighing you?
Speaker 4: Because he's been weighing me after every episode. It's like,
Speaker 4: is this necessary?
Speaker 3: We're giving you the real formula one experience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so fashion, sex, money. I mean it's got
Speaker 4: to always be like contracts, Scott gossip and money.
Speaker 3: The money and the contracts tie into whose contract is
Speaker 3: coming to an end? Who are we looking at? Which again,
Speaker 3: if we think about the start of this conversation comes
Speaker 3: into play, like who's always top of mind? There's a
Speaker 3: reason that people always like where's Daniel going? What's his
Speaker 3: because he's always out there as a marketing genius, always
Speaker 3: top of mind? And he doesn't.
Speaker 4: It goes hard on Daniel, but I stick by it.
Speaker 4: But maybe, yeah, maybe it's a bit too hard on him.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I think here's the other thing is he's put
Speaker 3: himself so high that there's only one place for him
Speaker 3: to go, which is down and especially and people are
Speaker 3: looking so, yeah, he's top of mind, but people are
Speaker 3: also like, oh, he's only P seven, Oh he's only
Speaker 3: P eight. Log let's talk about this. Why why do
Speaker 3: we keep talking about him?
Speaker 4: When I would watch Naimiel Sock and she'd be losing
Speaker 4: in the second round and then they'd go to commercial
Speaker 4: break and it'd be three different brands of her commercials,
Speaker 4: and it would infuriate me because I would go, stop
Speaker 4: with the not even her, your agent, your team, your coach,
Speaker 4: tell her to stop with this other shit and focus
Speaker 4: on this. This is just classic like couch fandom, you know,
Speaker 4: because I don't really know when, but yeah, he has
Speaker 4: put himself there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Another perfect example for those who don't know. Logan Surgeon's
Speaker 8: family very famous in Republican Florida politics. His uncle was
Speaker 8: implicated in an aspect of the Trump impeachment, and his
Speaker 8: family has been taking each other to court for a
Speaker 8: decade and a half. His dad was convicted of bribing
Speaker 8: foreign officials to help his like cement business or something
Speaker 8: like that again not saying Logan did anything with it,
Speaker 8: but like family baggage, and there's been questions about his
Speaker 8: politics that have come up that I think Williams has
Speaker 8: sort of bobbed and weaved around, and Logan himself has
Speaker 8: sort of tried to separate himself. There was an Instagram
Speaker 8: caption at one point that created a lot of controversy. Again,
Speaker 8: all the documents I pulled were all publicly available, like
Speaker 8: court documents and old Palm Beach post reports and all
Speaker 8: this stuff.
Speaker 3: That's why we love you, Lily, because it was publicly available,
Speaker 3: but no one went to look at them.
Speaker 8: But yeah, so I will say his dad and uncle
Speaker 8: had much to say about each other in the court
Speaker 8: documents when they're talking about the bribery case. Like my god,
Speaker 8: but yeah, I mean those court documents. Basically his uncle
Speaker 8: tries to claim that Logan and his brother Dalton's motor
Speaker 8: racing careers were funded by these like the bribery money.
Speaker 8: That's essentially what his uncle alleges, I will say in
Speaker 8: the documents, amongst many other things. For a man who
Speaker 8: says no few words, his family has said plenty of words.
Speaker 3: Okay, so Michael, we could go on for hours topic.
Speaker 3: There are so many more scandals, interesting wives and girlfriends.
Speaker 3: We haven't even covered bot Us as coffee side gig
Speaker 3: nor his pageant for nudism. But I hope we did
Speaker 3: get you a little taste of the witness of this topic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean you have, and you know typically I
Speaker 4: don't like a little taste so close to the word nudism.
Speaker 3: To close us off, I do want to give the
Speaker 3: last words to Hannah from the Fangirls podcast.
Speaker 4: Seems fair.
Speaker 5: I think being a fangirl is just having a deep
Speaker 5: love of something. I think fangirls get a bad rap.
Speaker 5: People don't give that the same credit or value. I
Speaker 5: think if you're a sports fan, if you love let's
Speaker 5: say American football, and you're a man that wears another
Speaker 5: man's jersey and you yell and scream and spend all
Speaker 5: your money, that's very valid. That's considered normal. No one
Speaker 5: bat deny. But if you're a girl that loves going
Speaker 5: to concerts or going to Formula one races or whatever
Speaker 5: it is, that's seen as you're crazy, you're insane, which.
Speaker 3: I don't love.
Speaker 5: Obviously, that stereotype is really frustrating to deal with. But
Speaker 5: I think it's the same thing. I think ultimately it's
Speaker 5: the same thing. It's having deep passion for what you
Speaker 5: enjoy and really caring about what you love and not
Speaker 5: being ashamed to talk about it. And I think there's
Speaker 5: often been shame associated with being a fangirl. But I
Speaker 5: think the point of what we do and kind of
Speaker 5: what we hope other people that feel the way about
Speaker 5: this sport that we do, is you should shout your
Speaker 5: love from the rooftops and not be ashamed to say
Speaker 5: how you feel.
Speaker 3: I love that. So, Michael, final thoughts on the gossip
Speaker 3: fun is this you?
Speaker 4: Perhaps it's definitely not me, but it's an important part
Speaker 4: of all sport to keep us all nibbling at the
Speaker 4: sport in these kind of quiet times when there's not
Speaker 4: a race to talk about.
Speaker 2: I do feel like I need to come clean here.
Speaker 4: That rumor that I told you about Max, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I made that up.
Speaker 4: I know. I guess you could call it wishful thinking,
Speaker 4: but I was just trying to manifes my thoughts onto
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: How's that working for you?
Speaker 2: Fifty to fifty, Yeah, fifty to fifty.
Speaker 3: I like that for you.
Speaker 4: Do you believe that.
Speaker 10: You believe in in like a thought creates reality man
Speaker 10: subscribing one.
Speaker 4: I really believe in positive mental outlook and that's going
Speaker 4: to be my answer. And you can interpret that any
Speaker 4: way you want to take it as a no. I
Speaker 4: just don't know if you can manifest something. But but yeah.
Speaker 10: I'm going to try to manifest the credits.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to quickly tell you what I
Speaker 2: have in my office that's very different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm going to manifest the longer edit. What I
Speaker 4: have is it says life is ten percent, what happens
Speaker 4: to you in ninety percent?
Speaker 2: How you react to it?
Speaker 4: Now, let's manifest some fucking credits.
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Speaker 3: So next week, on Choosing Sides F one, we're gonna
Speaker 3: present the Speed Junkie.
Speaker 4: Yes, now we're getting into some shit. Let's go.
Speaker 3: Now, we're getting into the meatfone cars on doubted be
Speaker 3: incredibly fast machines, but they can only go fasten the
Speaker 3: hands of extremely capable and talented drivers, of whom they're
Speaker 3: only a handful of the entire world. So next week
Speaker 3: we're going to focus on the drivers. We're going to
Speaker 3: try and understand what specific talents are needed to be
Speaker 3: a Formula one racer, and we're definitely, absolutely certainly going
Speaker 3: to settle once and for all who is the goat
Speaker 3: of Formula One.
Speaker 2: Okay, bit ready, I'm ready. Let's do the speed. Won't
Speaker 2: turn back and we won't go around, and we won't slow.
Speaker 2: I can't believe we haven't done speed yet.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 5: H