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Speaker 1: You're right, and boy, we're really I think Dave very

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Speaker 2: Hey, one little thing to add to this. Joe she

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Speaker 2: Colleen Ritzer, she was this kind of person who lit

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Speaker 2: Breaking down the timeline, Joe, two fifty four pm. Colleen

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Speaker 2: So two fifty four, she goes in the bathroom two

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Speaker 2: You know, her car is still in the parking lot.

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Speaker 2: After that email comes out, everybody say, hey, wait a minute,

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Speaker 2: imagine in this very small community, Joe, you know, there

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're absolutely right, and you know, fear begins to

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Speaker 2: The way, Yeah, go ahead, us running in the timeline.

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Speaker 2: Well, they were able to, as you mentioned earlier, get

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Speaker 1: Still, Colleen Richard is missing and David. It wasn't until

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Speaker 2: All I could think of was, whoever set that up?

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Speaker 2: Well, when they found her body, they found her body

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Speaker 2: Hey, he's got her ID credit cards on a bloody

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Speaker 2: It's a lot more to that, Right. How was her

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Speaker 1: to kind of assess this and begin to think. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of anger that's tied up in this, a

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Speaker 1: lot of psychopathology that's tied into this. And poor Colleen

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Speaker 1: happened to be in the wrong place the wrong time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he had targeted her. Maybe for some reason he

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Speaker 1: decided that she was representative of everything that he hated

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Speaker 1: about his life or whatever. Because you know, it's wrote

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Speaker 1: for people to say, well, sexual assault and rape are

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Speaker 1: not a sexual event. It's a power event where you're

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Speaker 1: in control. And he would have been in total control.

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Speaker 1: This poor woman with this beautiful smile that wanted to

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Speaker 1: help kids learn probably one of the most complex things

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Speaker 1: that you can learn at this level in school. And

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Speaker 1: she's taking time and Dave he ripped her to shreds Joe.

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Speaker 2: There was something that was added to that. They said

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Speaker 2: that he folded the note folded in such a way

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Speaker 2: that it wasn't just laying out there. I wonder about that.

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Speaker 2: You know, what, if any did that have. But they

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Speaker 2: talked about the change of clothes that he had with

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Speaker 2: him that day and this so called of this talking

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Speaker 2: about the state of Tennessee. Well, I'm thinking if he

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Speaker 2: had planned all this ahead of time, Joe, to have

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Speaker 2: a change of clothes. When I was fourteen, I didn't

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Speaker 2: have a change of clothes. I wouldn't. I would never

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Speaker 2: have done that. That wouldn't be part of my regular day.

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Speaker 1: I remember several occasions I forgot my dress out clothes,

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Speaker 1: you know that you have to have for pe or whatnot.

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Speaker 1: You know, your fourteen year old boy, boys do that.

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Speaker 1: We're idiots at that age.

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Speaker 2: He was planning, you know, he was.

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Speaker 1: Planning, and he's got the box cutter. I guess some

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Speaker 1: people would say, in his defense, well, he's in a

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Speaker 1: new environment. He felt threatened in this environment to the

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Speaker 1: degree that you're going to bring a sharp a sharp

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Speaker 1: instrument to school. And I can't imagine in under any

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Speaker 1: circumstances that this young teacher was threatening him. As a

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Speaker 1: matter of fact, she was trying to help him. In

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Speaker 1: the end, the conclusion that was arrived at was that

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Speaker 1: he destroyed her life. And I would to you that

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Speaker 1: he destroyed or damaged severely a lot of the lives

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Speaker 1: of the people in that school moving forward. This is

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Speaker 1: something that no one is ever going to forget that

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Speaker 1: was at that school at that period of time. Anytime

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Speaker 1: you drop by that school and you're a former student there,

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Speaker 1: or whatever the case might be, maybe maybe you occupy

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Speaker 1: home that's immediately adjacent to that location. You look across

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Speaker 1: the street and you think about what happened. It's forever

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Speaker 1: scarred that community. But what eventually happens to him. Please

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Speaker 1: tell me that he's now behind bars.

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Speaker 2: He was convicted, He was tried as an adult. He

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Speaker 2: was fourteen when this happened, seventeen when he was convicted,

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Speaker 2: and he was sentenced twenty five years for the murder,

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Speaker 2: forty years and one day for raping and robbing Colleen Ritzer.

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Speaker 2: The sentence is to be served. Concurrently, he will not

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Speaker 2: be eligible for parole until the forty years has been served.

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Speaker 2: There'll be fifty four before he had as a chance

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Speaker 2: to walk free.

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Speaker 1: You know, many people think, you know, you're fourteen years old,

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Speaker 1: How can you be held responsible as an adult for

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Speaker 1: these actions that you took all those years ago. I

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Speaker 1: think the question to that should be, how could you

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Speaker 1: not hold him responsible for the destruction and the desecration

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Speaker 1: of Colleen. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is body

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Speaker 1: Dots