1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, thanks for pulling up a cheer on Table 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: for two. This is Bruce and we are in Hollywood. However, 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 1: we're not at the Tower. We're a block down from 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:17,759 Speaker 1: the tower. Tonight, we're having dinner in someone's home. One 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: could say that. 6 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 2: I think the casion calls for vesper. Thank you. 7 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:23,720 Speaker 3: Oh I like this. 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: A man who created one of the most beautiful, mysterious 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: hotels in Los Angeles called the Chateau. Oh my god, 10 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: look at this, cheers salt. It's not our date night, 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: we're just having just a warm This would be mister 12 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,920 Speaker 1: Andrea Balaz. He's responsible for such hotels as the Mercer 13 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: in New York, Chiltern Firehouse in London, a multitude of experiences, 14 00:00:54,840 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: his attention to details unrivaled, his elegance unmatched. So sit back, enjoy, 15 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 1: because we're going. 16 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 3: To go deep with Andre. 17 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 1: I'm Rus Bassi and this is my podcast Table for two. Okay, 18 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 1: this is so exciting to me. Everybody, if you've pulled 19 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: up a chair tonight, this is very really special, my friend, 20 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: because we are in Hollywood, at the most glamorous place 21 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: undeniably in Hollywood. 22 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 3: That you have created. 23 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: It is not where we often find ourselves and we're 24 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: sitting with the empresario, the king, the master of experience 25 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: and hotels and so much more. So we're going to 26 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: talk about that, mister Andrea blaz Welcome. So this was 27 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 1: the chateau moment was your first property. 28 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 4: But you it's strange in one year, you know, I 29 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 4: was in the biotech business before. I having sort of 30 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 4: a serial entrepreneurs I started started newspapers, not school papers, 31 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 4: but newspapers in college with some partners, and I started 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 4: other businesses. Then I started biotech business. I did that 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 4: for a while. I didn't like the way my life 34 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 4: was bifurcated between my personal life and work life. So 35 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 4: after the company public, you know, I thought, you know, 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: what would be an interesting thing where basically I couldn't 37 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: distinguish the difference between work and play. 38 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: This being a perfect example of it. 39 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: Wow, right, we're here where friends, we've been friends for 40 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 4: a long time. We happen to be doing a podcast. 41 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 4: Is sort of a business of yours. We're talking sort 42 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 4: of about a business mind. But I couldn't tell you, 43 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 4: you know, if this if we were paying for this 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 4: meal and and someone said, did you just have a 45 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 4: business meeting or did you have a personal meeting. I 46 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to say what it was. Yeah, And 47 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 4: that was the goal, just blend everything. So that's how 48 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 4: I got into it. And in nineteen ninety just happened 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 4: to be a year that I bought the building that 50 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: then became the Mercer, and I was here staying as 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 4: we started a nightclub called BC down Road that we 52 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 4: never got licensed because it got so much advanced hype that. 53 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 2: The city said no, Yeah, but I tried to salvage it. 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 4: Right. So I was here, I was staying of the Chateau, 55 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 4: and I realized there's something about this place. So I 56 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 4: ended up buying this building the same year as I 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 4: bought the building in nineteen ninety. Yeah. 58 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: So I like how you started that by saying creating 59 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: the letting go of the bifurcation that we all are 60 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: basically trained to think that you have to live your 61 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: life up work, home, workplay or separate as opposed to 62 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: bringing them together. 63 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 4: And it's been a mission in my life to sort 64 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 4: of obliterate that line. Yeah, so that everything is play 65 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: or everything is work, but the whole idea of work 66 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: is that it should be something you like doing so 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 4: much that's not considered work. 68 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 1: Right, and the irony of what you're talking about is undeniably. 69 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: This business, I think is one of the hardest businesses 70 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: to work at. 71 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 5: What you would know, Yes, I spent years and difficult many. 72 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: And on a multitude of levels, so to be able 73 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: to sort of kind of understand how to bring those 74 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: two together. 75 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,720 Speaker 3: You know what you do, so the chateau. So if 76 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,799 Speaker 3: we kind of just take that beat in your life. 77 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: So for those of you who are who have pulled 78 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 1: up a sure today, the mercy of New York which 79 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: and the chateau they you know, having that vision I 80 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: think is really fascinating that you saw the beauty of that, 81 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: You saw the beauty of the sort of the symmetry 82 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: of to central downtown Soho, New York, which was a 83 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: sexy it. 84 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 4: And when I look when I recently came, I've been 85 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 4: looking through a building an upstate New York, a place 86 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 4: up there, and we've been collecting, just working on a 87 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 4: book sort of called the Ship We've Done. 88 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 3: This working title, right, is a great title, The Ship 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 3: We've done. 90 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 2: The Ship We've done it. 91 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: Now, this is a very collaborative business and there's always 92 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: a week, there's no eye. And I came across this, 93 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 4: this box that was sort of a mailer to introduce 94 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 4: the mercer, and I realized, you know, it's hard to 95 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 4: imagine today when every city in the world has a Soho, 96 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 4: but back then I had to it was it was 97 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: an old fashioned hotel bell and I had to go 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,119 Speaker 4: to Nasau and get a satellite picture because I wanted. 99 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 2: No one knew where Soho was, so the. 100 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: Idea was this mailer was that it would see to 101 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: pick the little button at the top of the the 102 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 4: bell popped through Soho because no one knew where Soba 103 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 4: was in Manhattan when I bought that building, which was 104 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 4: the Astor family's headquarters, which is why it had sort 105 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 4: of more elegance to it than all its neighbors. 106 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: They were in a fur trapping business. 107 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,400 Speaker 4: A mercer is someone who cleans furs, hence the name 108 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 4: or whatever. 109 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 2: And we. 110 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 4: But the biggest concern was that no one knew where 111 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 4: it was, and if they didn't know where it was, 112 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 4: whether it was sleep there because it was. There were 113 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 4: two restaurants, Raoul's being one of these, stood there. Another 114 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 4: one was a place called Food That's not there. I remember, 115 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:49,640 Speaker 4: and there was there was forget retail, there was nothing. 116 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 4: There was art galleries and literally I lived on the 117 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 4: top floor of this loft buildings or walk up because 118 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 4: the four floors blow me was occupied by a rag business. 119 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 4: They collected rags and sent them out to JFK to 120 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: clean airplane parts. I kid you not, that's what that's 121 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 4: the soho that the mercer was born into. 122 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 2: It's it couldn't imagine what it is transformation. 123 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: In essence, by acquiring that real estate, bringing your vision, 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: you changed the whole. 125 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: The neighborhood, neighborhood. 126 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: How does that all work together? And why doesn't it. 127 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: Scare you or why you know just say, wait a minute, 128 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to do this, but like there's no one 129 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: down here. 130 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:53,239 Speaker 4: Well, the good thing is I started everything young enough. 131 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 4: When you know things are being scared, don't don't occur 132 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 4: to you. 133 00:07:57,440 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: You just kind of do it. 134 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 4: So this a lot to be said for not need today. 135 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 4: You can call it ballsy later on, but that's retrospective 136 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 4: and there's no option right exactly. 137 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 2: And you buy a building. 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 4: In a shitty neighborhood because that's what you can afford 139 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 4: to buy. So the fact that it then becomes the 140 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 4: most expensive neighborhood in Manhattan. 141 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 6: Is not. 142 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 4: It's a result of this, but it certainly it's like 143 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 4: the standard that we built over the high Line. 144 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: The only reason I was. 145 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 4: Able to build that, and that's the unfortunately, the only 146 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,319 Speaker 4: hotel that I had the good fortune. 147 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 2: To be able to build from ground up. 148 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 4: Everything else has been a conversion of some other building, 149 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 4: like a warehouse, like the Mercer. But that building we're 150 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 4: able to do because nobody wanted the real estate. You know, 151 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 4: at that time, everybody was demanding that the high Line 152 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 4: be torn down. I just happened to know a bunch 153 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 4: of artists and you know, the urban planners and people 154 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 4: who are concerned about the city, and I loved the 155 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: Highline just as a thing, as a remnant of its history. 156 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 4: So I joined this group called Friends of the high Line, 157 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 4: and through that suddenly realized there was this site that 158 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 4: nobody wanted because it was bifurcated by a train track 159 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 4: thirty feet above ground. CSX, which is now owned by 160 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 4: what now gave the tracks to the city, but at 161 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 4: that time, when Bloomberg was mayor, CSX still owned it. 162 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 4: But it's such a huge conglomerate that you couldn't talk 163 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,560 Speaker 4: to anyone, and they didn't give a damn about what 164 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 4: they're trying things. 165 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 2: They want to rip it down. 166 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 4: The city didn't own it yet, they hadn't been gifted 167 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 4: it by CSX. 168 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 2: It wasn't a park, it wasn't This wasn't that. 169 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 4: We had to build a hotel, so I had to 170 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 4: figure out how to build around it. So you end 171 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 4: up with these weird things. It's not in retrocirc It's 172 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 4: not like you have a vision. You just make the 173 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 4: best of what you have. Like if the mercer changed soho, Well, 174 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 4: the reason I was able to get something sobo was 175 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 4: that nobody else wanted to be there. 176 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. 177 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 4: If now you know one of the most expensive neighborhoods 178 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 4: on the West Side, largely you know, Barry and Dan 179 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 4: built that spectacular pier and all of that stuff. But 180 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 4: that came years afterwards, right the Whitney moved down there afterwards. 181 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 4: The whole neighborhood changed after the Standard as well. But 182 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: we built the Standard there because it was the one 183 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 4: place I could do it. Because it was inexpensive, nobody 184 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 4: wanted it, nobody knew what to do. 185 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 3: And you know what you did. Well. 186 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: That's it's sort of a great business model plan when 187 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: you're but you also have to have the eye you 188 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: have and the I for detail. 189 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: Now, when you know, I've stayed in a number. 190 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 7: Of your hotels over the years as a complete guest 191 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 7: and a lover of the hotels, sometimes not even realizing 192 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 7: they were your hotels, just because they were great, you know, 193 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 7: And I'd be like with Anty Cohen, he'd be like, 194 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 7: you know, Andreas is a ton I'm just. 195 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: Like, Oh. 196 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: One of the things that you do, which I so 197 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: appreciate because I have such a big pet peeve, especially 198 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: in my beloved city of New York, is the design. 199 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: So when you talk about the standard, the design of 200 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: that hotel does not go against the neighborhood. 201 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 3: What was authentic to that neighborhood. 202 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 1: And so many buildings I see now going up in 203 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,439 Speaker 1: New York City are just to me horrific. 204 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: What made you design it that way? 205 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: And it's very sexy and a lot of people do 206 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: have sex against those windows. 207 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: It's such a funny story about that. 208 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: Again, it because it's the only hotel that I've been 209 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,959 Speaker 4: able to for circumstances, I've been able to do it 210 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 4: was it's crafted literally from the inside out, the way 211 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 4: all proper buildings should be. And because it's purpose built, 212 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 4: it's not a developer who wants to build something and 213 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: then they're going to sell it off to someone else. 214 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 4: Look at the worlds, let's use the modernist vocabulary. Right 215 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 4: in New York City, buildings like the Seagrums building or 216 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 4: a lever House or Rockefeller Center stand out as well. 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 4: It was amazing, but they were all built for the owner. 218 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 4: Lebronfons built Seagrums right, lever House was built for it. 219 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 4: The standard was built specifically to use the architecture and 220 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: everything to what then was it was the third sort 221 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,119 Speaker 4: of fourth standard we've done. It took one in Hollywood, 222 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 4: one downtown LA one in Miami, and then that was 223 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:46,040 Speaker 4: the fourth one and by harnessing the architecture. But I 224 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 4: remember for so long the idea. Of course it was 225 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:52,319 Speaker 4: a budget hotel. That was the idea. So the idea 226 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 4: was how do you make the rooms as small as 227 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 4: possible but feel as big. But one way to do 228 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 4: that is to have Florida ceiling glass. And the other 229 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 4: thing is if you have Florida ceiling glass is you 230 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 4: can't make it reflective or it's going to look like 231 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 4: every other blue or gray or green tinted office building exactly. 232 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 4: So you had so it's very expensive lead free glass 233 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 4: that is perfectly clear. And the idea was that you 234 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 4: walk into the room and you almost can't see, like 235 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 4: falling out. 236 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: That was the idea. Then the other thing is we 237 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: I flipped the rooms on side. 238 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 4: On some of the rooms, instead of a shoe box 239 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: like thing, it became horizontal. So instead of thirty five 240 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 4: thirty six feet from the door to the window, it 241 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 4: became sixteen feet, which made you open the door and 242 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: you're like, whoa, I've just fallen into the city of 243 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: New York. 244 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. 245 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 4: I mean, And that's the kind of playfulness that one 246 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: can do if you're building something from scratch. 247 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Table for two. 248 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: The hotels of our guest, Andre Blas are beautiful and 249 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: one of. 250 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 2: The kind spaces. 251 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: One incredible example of this is the rooftop bar at 252 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: the Standard in New York City. What's Andrea's secret? How 253 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: does he bring experiences like this together where there is 254 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: like does the design in Andrea's head go all the 255 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: way up to say, okay, this is sort of like 256 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the cherry on the top of this is going to be. 257 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 4: Well, every space has a narrative in my mind. I 258 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 4: always try to approach it with some story. But that 259 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 4: one was such a slam dunk in a way because 260 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 4: there are two places in New York that were, you know, 261 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 4: elegant cocktail lounges on top of the building, the rainbow 262 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 4: rooms and Windows in the World. 263 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 2: Well Windows on. 264 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: The World was no longer and Rainbow room is hardly 265 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 4: a cool place. 266 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: So what do you do? You need a new. 267 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 4: Rainbow room for a different generation in different plays. And 268 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 4: the advantage which we also took advances here in downtown 269 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: LA with the standard, is that you don't want to 270 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 4: be the tallest building because then all you're looking at 271 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 4: is the air conditioning and the. 272 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 2: Top of any buildings. 273 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 4: You don't want to be the lowest building, but you 274 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 4: want to be right in between so that when you're 275 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 4: looking out a window, as you can in the Boom 276 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: Boom Room, you can look up and you can look 277 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 4: down exactly. And the way the buildings bent because I 278 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: knew who could be a wood build to the north, 279 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 4: we bent the building to preserve the views onto the 280 00:15:54,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 4: Empire State Building. When one can do this, people really 281 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 4: to it, and then it becomes the physical platform for 282 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 4: that what then has to become a social platform. 283 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: But it's a little bit like a play. 284 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 4: I suppose you know, you need to create the set, 285 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 4: but a fantastic set doesn't mean that the plays create 286 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 4: at all. 287 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: Completely right, Well, I mean one of the things that 288 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: I think you also do very artfully. 289 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: And you're right, it's like a play or it's like 290 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: a movie, you know what I mean. 291 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: You walk in and you feel like you're kind of 292 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 1: going into a different place in time. 293 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:38,080 Speaker 4: Everything I tried to my best in my ability, with 294 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 4: the help of a lot of good people. I think 295 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: a good hotel should be like a living room for 296 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 4: everybody's It should by definition be democratic and open to everybody. 297 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 2: If there's anything that. 298 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 4: Qualifying things that the more interesting you are, the more 299 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 4: you're well, nobody's not welcome, because if that were the case, 300 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: I don't think this kind of hotel would work. Well. 301 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: I mean, it's interesting because whatever you changed and when, 302 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: and I'm sure there were many things that you changed 303 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: from my hotel that was opened in nineteen twenty seven 304 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: when you acquired. 305 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 2: It in nineteen ninety ninety, specific. 306 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: The authenticity around it continues. So if you go into 307 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: like the rooms, like it's so like the rooms here 308 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 1: are so fascinating because this is where people live here. 309 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: You know, they choose to live here, they choose to 310 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: have secondary residences here. 311 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 3: I mean they have you know. 312 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: You know a few of them right now, but we 313 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 2: don't mention names. 314 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: So but no, that's right, and it's and you know, 315 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: it's so cool because when you go back into your spaces, 316 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: you mean, you're going. 317 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: Back in time. 318 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 1: You know, there's things, there's telephones, there's there's couches, there's 319 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: soul where there's things that are like, oh. 320 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 3: I'm in a different decade, you know what I mean, 321 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:57,440 Speaker 3: I'm in a different time. 322 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 6: It's really groovy. 323 00:18:09,320 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: If you don't know, and you're listening, Andrea has been, 324 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: you've been in this business now. 325 00:18:14,800 --> 00:18:16,120 Speaker 2: Of length thirty four years. 326 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: What's the first thing that when you walk into a 327 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,919 Speaker 1: hotel that you look at to should say? Because I 328 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: know what it is what I look at that you 329 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: look at and say, oh, okay. 330 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 4: I don't look I feel the first thing I want 331 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: to feel. And I would never pretend to try to 332 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 4: do something that I'm not that isn't within my. 333 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: Sphere. Like if you asked me to. 334 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 4: Produce a television show, I can guarantee you it'll be 335 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 4: a flow. It's my taste is too particular. But if 336 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 4: I act on what I know, I know that there's 337 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 4: enough people that it'll be successful. We've never had a 338 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 4: feel because I've never tried to overreach, so meaning that 339 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: I believe that once you stay true to what you 340 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 4: know yourself, what you believe, what you believe, the experience 341 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 4: should be. To me, a place that I feel comfortable 342 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 4: is number one. Place that first makes me feel safe 343 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: in every term of the word. It's embracing. I know 344 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 4: that my privacy is not going to be violated. Whatever 345 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 4: I do. 346 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 2: Is not going to be somehow invaded on. 347 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 4: And when I feel safe, then I become less inhibitive. 348 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 2: And if you. 349 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 4: Think about what one of the greatest joys one can 350 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:57,919 Speaker 4: have in life is to feel uninhibitive. So what can 351 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 4: a good hotel provide One It makes you feel safe, 352 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 4: that triggers your lack of inhibitions, and that allows you 353 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 4: to then experience things that you wouldn't necessarily experience. The 354 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 4: old adage which kilt in their holiday and Institute. After 355 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 4: the Second World War, when the American hotel industry took over, 356 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 4: it was, you know, the world was a dangerous place. 357 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 4: That's the way people saw it, and things like home 358 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 4: away from Home, which was one hotel chains slowly, you know, 359 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 4: if you think about it, at least the people that 360 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 4: I'm interested in hanging out with, the last thing they 361 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 4: want to do is leave home, travel someplace else, and feel. 362 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 3: Like they're going at home exactly. 363 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 2: So the whole point is to get away from home 364 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 2: to be home. 365 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 4: But to that feeling, strangely, you first have to feel 366 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 4: even safer than natrone or as safe as at home. 367 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 4: Then you let your guard down. Then you can experience 368 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 4: something else, and then you made do things that you 369 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 4: wouldn't even do it. A romance is great, business partnerships 370 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 4: and whatever. 371 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: It may be. 372 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, in one of your hotels, before I got into 373 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: the room, I had taken off all my crothes in 374 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 1: the hallway to be. 375 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 3: With the person I was going to be with. 376 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 2: So you clearly felt at home. 377 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: I felt right outside the doors. How does one sort 378 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: of manage this whole sort of idea that, okay, this 379 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 1: sort of empire to use lack of a better word, 380 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:48,879 Speaker 1: and you're in a constant state of acquisitions, new builds, 381 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:54,119 Speaker 1: new ideas, conversions, renovations like how does that in Andrea 382 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: Blasa's head? 383 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: How do you when you wake up? How are you 384 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 3: navigating this? 385 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 1: And also maintaining a sense of such serenity and peace 386 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: as what I'm feeling as I'm saying. 387 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 2: Next to you, and every time I'm like you, I 388 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 2: don't know. 389 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: I mean, what is the most challenging piece of in 390 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: the dynamic of what you do? 391 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 4: Look, navigating COVID was really difficult, definitely fueled by my 392 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:27,200 Speaker 4: understanding of the severity, the medical the reality of pandemics 393 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 4: throughout history and. 394 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: What this was about. I think I lost my bearing. 395 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 4: A little bit in that I became overly concerned about 396 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 4: it and I completely underestimated societies, our societies, but most societies. 397 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: Willingness to completely ignore it. That's probably been the most. 398 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 4: Difficult thing I've had to navigate in this business, other 399 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 4: than trying to build a nursery in New. 400 00:22:55,080 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 3: York physically literally literally all So, what is your joy? 401 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: What you do? 402 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 4: Is? 403 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 3: It's so super hard. What is like the most joyful. 404 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 4: Aspect of the four It's very clear the most joyful 405 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 4: aspect is making people happy. 406 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,399 Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know where that gene comes from. 407 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 4: It's probably got something to do with why actors want 408 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 4: to act or comedians want to be comedians. 409 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: That you know, it just makes me happy to see 410 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 2: other people happy. It's it's just a psychic reward, you know. 411 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 4: We we we did the did this party to celebrate 412 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 4: the tenth anniversary of the children. 413 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: So that was a big deal and a party. 414 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,399 Speaker 4: So it was it was, it was, It was a 415 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 4: lot of fun. 416 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: And what was interesting is. 417 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 4: It it's always difficult to enter a city and figure 418 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 4: out not only take the most basic stuff like how 419 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 4: do you build something without people dying, you know, and. 420 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 2: How do you then. 421 00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 4: Centric because having it be a success is the easy part. 422 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 4: Having it survived its success is the hard party really 423 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 4: is and that is a whole other game, you know, 424 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 4: because every you know, we live in a society, or 425 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 4: anything new is great. The question is how do you 426 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 4: survive being the next. 427 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 3: Great, staying in the conversation, staying relevant. 428 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 4: And what was so satisfying in that in organizing that 429 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 4: event was how many people was just responded to it, 430 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 4: you know, and it was fascinating because some people say, 431 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 4: oh my god, it's already been ten years, and other 432 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,880 Speaker 4: people said, it's only been ten years. So you realize 433 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 4: that the intensity of the interaction of the people with 434 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:03,479 Speaker 4: that place, which is, you know, ten years versus this 435 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 4: is almost one hundred. Yeah, it was so refreshing to 436 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 4: me because that's what gives me joy, is to have 437 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 4: people connect to a place to say things like you say, yeah, 438 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 4: I think it's a wonderful lady to take your clothes 439 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 4: up all the way before you get into the. 440 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: Room, thanks for joining us for table for two. So 441 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: much goes into making a hotel feel like a safe, 442 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: welcoming place. 443 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 3: Everything from the design to casting the staff must be 444 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 3: just right to create a great destination. 445 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm curious how does he find the right balance at 446 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: each one of his hotels. 447 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: We don't we share. 448 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: Andy Cohen as a very close friend of ours, and 449 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: I was speaking to Andy today and I said, oh, yeah, 450 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna So it. 451 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 3: Was Andrea and we're gonna have a drink and we're. 452 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: Gonna and he was like, oh, I need to write 453 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: Andre note and let him know. So you know, he 454 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 1: was just there last week and he was there for 455 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:21,399 Speaker 1: the week, and he was promoting his show, and he 456 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: was and this was what always filled me up when 457 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: people would talk to me about the restaurant. 458 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 3: I need to tell Andre how how. 459 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: Incredible the people are, how incredible the people are, that 460 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: how they treated me, how incredible. 461 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 3: And that is how you stay. 462 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: I think in the room, have the longevity because you 463 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: know people will come and go. 464 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 3: It is a transient business. There's a burnout piece to it. 465 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: But if you can maintain that culture, because it becomes 466 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: all about the culture, so you set the tone of culture. 467 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 3: And I think what happens, which is challenging to a 468 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 3: lot of places, is they lose their culture. 469 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 4: And when you lose the culture, it happens all the time, 470 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: and I find it fascinating. 471 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 2: In the say call it luxury. 472 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 4: I mean not that the chateau is from a physical 473 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 4: point of view, luxury, but from an experiential point of view, 474 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 4: it certainly this luxury. I think, how you The problem 475 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 4: I believe in this industry is how the industry is structured, 476 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 4: the ownership. Think of how many hotels or publicly traded corporations. 477 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 4: Think of how many are owned by these private equity firms. 478 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 4: Or other institutional money that needs certain returns and then 479 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,199 Speaker 4: think of who trains these people. 480 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: I mean it's if you think of the awards system. 481 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 4: You know you talk about a five star hotel, Well, 482 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 4: the full concept of five stars are started by Mobile 483 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 4: Oil Corporation. It's like the Michelang Guide, which is a 484 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 4: rubber tire company rating restaurants, and we take it seriously 485 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 4: coming from a tire company. 486 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: They're rating hotels now. 487 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 4: This year, which we did very well and it was great, 488 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 4: but it's still it's a tire company. 489 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 2: Let's licensed its name. 490 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 4: Forbes is a magazine and financial magazine that's defunct, but 491 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 4: they've licensed their name. And now you've got a company 492 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 4: going around rating Forbes hotels. You've got five Stars, which 493 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 4: has been invented by the gas company. 494 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,120 Speaker 2: All you have. 495 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 4: Before that, the Automobile Association of America TRIPLEA had a 496 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 4: rating system which goes back to when people would travel 497 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 4: and they want to encourage car travel, gasoline, rubber cars. 498 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 2: You wanted to go to this. 499 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 4: Different city, you didn't know where to stay, so we 500 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 4: went ahead and raided the hotels. 501 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 2: Is the way to stay. 502 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 4: Today that's morphed into something that's made everything but homogeneous. 503 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 2: It is. It's so painful. 504 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 4: Even i'm on Adrian Zecha, who was sort of a 505 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 4: mentor mind when I decided to go into the business. 506 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 4: I just sort of offered to be his assistant for 507 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 4: two years and traveled around them. 508 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 2: Back then, a'mon was unique. 509 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 4: Today it's like Four Seasons or Park Hyde or the 510 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 4: Peninsula or Mandarin Oriental. I mean, you go into the 511 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 4: lobby and you can't. 512 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 2: You don't know. They're all the same. 513 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 3: They're all the same. You can't, you don't know exactly. 514 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 4: So what does luxury mean today? Which is I think 515 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: is a really interesting question. 516 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: I do too, And I think you can even equate 517 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: that with the movie business, with a lot of these 518 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: studios being bought up by things like AT and T 519 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,840 Speaker 1: or Comcast, you know, these big there's a you know, 520 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: you don't have, you know, the Jack Warners, you don't 521 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: have the Sharry Lansings, you. 522 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: Don't have the you know, Bob. 523 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: You know, also, you lose there's a flavor that's gone 524 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: because they're not movie people. 525 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: They don't know how to And so I think to 526 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 3: your point. 527 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 2: It's very very similar. 528 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 4: I mean, I I've also said this before I'm tried. 529 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: But what we do is very much like producing a movie. 530 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 4: The differences that it's more like a play because it 531 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 4: has to go on the next day and the same 532 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,160 Speaker 4: person who is fantastic on Monday may be in a 533 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 4: bad mood on Tuesday. So it's not like you can 534 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 4: wrap it and it's done yet. On the other hand, 535 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 4: it still is like a movie production. You have to 536 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 4: invent it, create it, have a set, shoot it, but 537 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 4: then you have to do it again and again again. 538 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 4: How you do that is deeply dependent on who's behind. 539 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: It, deeply dependent on completely. 540 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 4: Look, Mike Nichols could do a play and there was 541 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,480 Speaker 4: no way it was going to go off kilter. If 542 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 4: it went off kilter, it was because he took it 543 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 4: off kilter. Yeah, but it's not because someone interfered. 544 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: Right, It's true, And it's very you could really tell 545 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: and like it is like a play because it's like 546 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: we're gonna do the same thing. I'm gonna come in, 547 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna open the dru i'm gonna turn on the lights, 548 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start, you know, get the theater, get the 549 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: the the. 550 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 3: Orchestra, rety. But then it's different every day because I 551 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 3: don't know who's gonna walk through and up to that podium. 552 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what's gonna happen in that room that's 553 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: gonna call and say, oh okay. So the play changes 554 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: every day, and again I will bring it to when 555 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: you're paying attention, when the when the owner is there, 556 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 1: when it's not the corporation, then. 557 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 3: You have the control. 558 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 1: Then you have the control, which is a good word 559 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 1: to sort of make sure the scene that you envision 560 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: is set. Every day might shift, but the players aren't 561 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: gonna understand all of a sudden. You don't have the 562 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 1: corporate entity bottom lining your expenses, bottom lining your people, 563 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: putting everyone in horrible uniforms, doing all the things that 564 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 1: they do, and they take away, like you said, the specialists. 565 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 4: I think that that is one of the problem challenges 566 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 4: for the luxury business in general. Is not luxury Again, 567 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 4: I'm not talking about material or expense. I'm talking about 568 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: the richness of experience. When I talk about luxury, that's 569 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 4: what it is meaning. Am I giving something banal or 570 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 4: am I giving something interesting? It's not a function of money. 571 00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 4: It's a function of richness of experience. And I don't 572 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 4: think that one can create a rich experience if the 573 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 4: underlying financial structure does not embrace that. So if you 574 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 4: have private equity firms that are looking for twelve and 575 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 4: a half percent return as a minimum before anyone gets 576 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 4: a bonus, so you really have to get twenty five percent, 577 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 4: and we're going to ruin what it is because this 578 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 4: business can't yield those kinds of returns. But since the 579 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 4: money goes wherever the money needs to go to finance it, 580 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 4: it's a very weird business. Then you get into the 581 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 4: flip side, which is the vanity people. But when I 582 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 4: can feel within a minute of walking into a place 583 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 4: what the ownership is, that's either ownership that's there for 584 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 4: the money or it's ownership that's there for the vanity, 585 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 4: and both of. 586 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: Them have their pitfalls. 587 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:56,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, tell me about your function by any Warhol, What 588 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 8: was that timeline? 589 00:33:58,320 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 2: All right? 590 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 4: So, look, Andy, who was a very very close friend, 591 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 4: had a habit of picking up certain people at times 592 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: who fascinated him for whatever fascinated him at the time. 593 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 4: I believe that I just happened to be a person 594 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 4: that he was interested in for the last seven years 595 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 4: of his. 596 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: Life, and. 597 00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 4: I sort of became together with Page Powell and would 598 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:37,919 Speaker 4: sort of alternate date nights and sometimes Katie, my then 599 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 4: wife with the company, is but I sort of became. 600 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 2: His date, and. 601 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 4: So I was seeing three or four nights a week, 602 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:55,320 Speaker 4: every week minimum, and we just do all kinds of things. 603 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 4: But I mean the range of things we go from. 604 00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 4: I remember a dinner at the Odeon with Jean Michel 605 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 4: Bosca Jehn Michelle's father, who was a very upper ranking, 606 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:16,399 Speaker 4: you know, accounting executive at a big eight accounting firm, 607 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 4: wearing bankers pinsiler suits. I happened to be when I 608 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,760 Speaker 4: got the call from Andy, I happened to have already 609 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 4: told my lawyer, who was you know, blue blazer, khaki, 610 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 4: yellow tide things. So you can imagine Jean Michelle, me Andy, 611 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,280 Speaker 4: his father, je Michelle's father, and my lawyer having dinner. 612 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 4: Then we go to the garage where Keith Harring is 613 00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 4: having a party, but nobody recognized Andy or John Michell Basca. 614 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 4: So we were standing there and Andy had to ask 615 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,319 Speaker 4: some door bouncer to go upstairs and get Keith to 616 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 4: come down and let us in. So it goes back 617 00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 4: to that that weird time that was before Tony Shafrazi 618 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 4: put Jaman Schabaska and Andy together in that collaboration or 619 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 4: whatever you want to call it. So we were friends 620 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 4: on that level, and it just I don't know, I 621 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 4: spent an extraordinary amount of time with him. 622 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: I mean that is first of all, being in that room, 623 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: in that decade with those people. 624 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,560 Speaker 3: Again with like, there's like no when you're in a 625 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 3: when you're in time in your life where you're not 626 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 3: just you're not aware of it and you're just in it, 627 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 3: and you happen to be in a historical moment of time. 628 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, incredibly artistic people without our going to change the narrative. 629 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,719 Speaker 1: It's kind of wild and it had to be a 630 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: huge influence in what you then didn't even know you 631 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: were about to go from here. 632 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:52,439 Speaker 4: I'm sure it did, right, right, I'm sure it does. 633 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 4: And I was just, you know, I I feel like 634 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 4: I've been an extraordinarily fortunate person. 635 00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 3: What's on the horizon. 636 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: So you've accomplished so much in your career and you 637 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,200 Speaker 1: still are sort of so vibrant, and is there something 638 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: that you haven't done or is there you know, something. 639 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 3: That is brewing the chamber is brewing in the blas. 640 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 2: It's a question. I asked myself, Look, these we've never 641 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 2: managed other people's hotels. Who never you know, everything that 642 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 2: we do is. 643 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 4: From the ground up, right, So there are significant commitments 644 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 4: in time, and the question is what do you What is. 645 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,440 Speaker 2: Compelling to me? 646 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 4: I think that the there are one or two things 647 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,480 Speaker 4: that have to do with you know. 648 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,320 Speaker 2: One is sort of although we developed. 649 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:08,399 Speaker 4: Them on paper but never built them fully, is a 650 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:16,280 Speaker 4: you know, health spa wellness thing. The other is creating 651 00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:23,279 Speaker 4: a literally a community but for older people who are 652 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 4: not really old in any way except certain things start 653 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 4: to give way, sure, and there's nothing that's of a 654 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 4: quality for them. If I think about okay, look someone 655 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,839 Speaker 4: like Famously again I'm not speaking of school, but Carl Lagelfeld, 656 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 4: who was always at the Mercer. 657 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 2: Like, where would he be living today? Where would he 658 00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,720 Speaker 2: want to live? I always like to live. 659 00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,759 Speaker 4: At the Mercer. He had an apartment on Gramercy Park. 660 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,919 Speaker 4: He wrote me a long letter saying, you know, I've 661 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,280 Speaker 4: never even though I own a place a few blocks 662 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 4: away from me, I've never lived there. 663 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,880 Speaker 3: I think you're so onto it like that is, but 664 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 3: that you. 665 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: Know, it has to be all the right circumstances, right. 666 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: But I think you know the idea that creating a 667 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: community for people who are aging and but aging in 668 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: the way I. 669 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 3: Mean, this is like the year of sixty. Like I mean, 670 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 3: everyone is crossing over into like a year of sixty. 671 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: Everyone looks fantastic, everyone's still vibrant in their life. But 672 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,440 Speaker 1: you know we're now going to be in the sixty 673 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 1: to eighty zone of the next twenty years of our lives. 674 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 3: So to create that experience where you go downs. 675 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 1: I don't need that house, I don't need that stuff, 676 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: but I want the community, I want the services. 677 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 3: I want that. 678 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 2: That's what intrusion. 679 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:52,720 Speaker 4: I haven't really sorted it out, but but you know, owning, 680 00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,560 Speaker 4: you know, a house here, there, and all over the 681 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,440 Speaker 4: place is becomes more and more exhausting, and you realize 682 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:04,000 Speaker 4: that you're running all these and wouldn't it be great 683 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 4: when you go and you run into you are fairly 684 00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 4: sure that you're going to run into a friend that 685 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 4: you would love to and it just happens that there's 686 00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 4: nick it. 687 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 2: You know, they're there for a month as. 688 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 4: Yours, yeah, or forget a month, but if it's they're 689 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 4: there for that's it. 690 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,240 Speaker 3: That's it that's where they live and they travel from there. Well, 691 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 3: Andy and I will both be buying. 692 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 2: But this is certainly the place to start. 693 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,279 Speaker 1: I mean you and I would think I would have 694 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,720 Speaker 1: said my husband, but Brian Alway says, well, your real husband, 695 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: Andy Cohen, So like that will be where we're we're 696 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,919 Speaker 1: going to be first. I want to thank you so much, 697 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,800 Speaker 1: and I want to thank you on behalf of creating 698 00:40:43,440 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: what I think is the most valuable thing one can 699 00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: create in life, which has experiences for people in community, 700 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,840 Speaker 1: and like what has happened over the course of my 701 00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: my adult years and as a result of the things 702 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,399 Speaker 1: you've created have been magical and have bond to meet 703 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,160 Speaker 1: a people for life. 704 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 3: And I love you. 705 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: You are an incredible man and it's an honor to 706 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: sit here with you at your first baby. 707 00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 3: The chateau. It really is. 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