Speaker 1: Hey fam, Hello Sunshine.
Speaker 2: Today on the bright Side, we're popping off and dishing
Speaker 2: on the biggest pop culture moments of the week with
Speaker 2: the co hosts of the podcast Breaking Beauty, Jill Dunn
Speaker 2: and Carlene Higgins. How far would you go to win
Speaker 2: an argument? Is figuring out your contrast? The secret to
Speaker 2: flawless makeup? And what are you willing to give up
Speaker 2: to start the new year a step ahead.
Speaker 3: It's Friday, October twenty fifth. I'm Simone Boyce, I'm.
Speaker 2: Danielle Robe and this is the bright Side from Hello Sunshine,
Speaker 2: a daily show where we come together to share women's stories, laugh,
Speaker 2: learn and brighten your day, Simone. When you just said
Speaker 2: October twenty fifth, all I could think is where is
Speaker 2: the month going? I feel like Mariah Carey is starting
Speaker 2: to warm up her voice and get ready to join
Speaker 2: the party.
Speaker 3: What does she say whenever she like breaks out? Oh,
Speaker 3: she goes it's time.
Speaker 1: Yes, It's almost time? Really is? I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'm ready for yet.
Speaker 3: I can't believe how fast the time is flying either, Danielle.
Speaker 3: But you know what got me in the mood for
Speaker 3: fall hm hm Our conversation with mall Yer Yeah, she
Speaker 3: gave us some seasonal and regional culinary inspiration.
Speaker 2: I keep thinking about the cookie salad. I know, I've
Speaker 2: never heard of it. I know, are you gonna make it?
Speaker 2: It lives rent free in my mind too, I think
Speaker 2: I am. I'm gonna try it this year.
Speaker 3: You love to try a recipe. I know I'm no
Speaker 3: stranger to a TikTok recipe. I like to get it
Speaker 3: on in the lab, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 3: I also really enjoyed our conversation with Chatham Greenfield and
Speaker 3: Laura Taylor Nami about the lit Up program.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really special.
Speaker 2: It's so encouraging to see a program dedicated to helping
Speaker 2: underrepresented writers who have these important voices and important stories
Speaker 2: get published. Simone, would you ever write a book?
Speaker 1: I'm sure I will one day. Right now. My biggest
Speaker 1: barrier is time and focus. Yeah. Focus.
Speaker 2: That makes me think of our chat with doctor Sasha
Speaker 2: Hamdani about ADHD. I was pretty shocked to learn how
Speaker 2: underdiagnosed ADHD IS is for women and how many women
Speaker 2: are getting diagnosedes later in life.
Speaker 3: I know, right, that was truly shocking. I learned so
Speaker 3: much in that interview. I also loved hearing doctor Humdannie
Speaker 3: talk about how much hormones exacerbate ADHD symptoms.
Speaker 1: I had no idea about.
Speaker 3: That, And of course I am still not over and
Speaker 3: I don't think I will ever be able to recover
Speaker 3: from yesterday's conversation with Raven Simone. I know, I mean
Speaker 3: talk about living out my millennial baby girl dreams.
Speaker 1: Like we got to be honorary Cheetah Girls for the day.
Speaker 1: She's sang her theme song with us. She asked us
Speaker 1: to sing the theme song with her.
Speaker 2: The video of that is epic too, because we did
Speaker 2: the eyes. Oh, oh my gosh, I please sogn to
Speaker 2: the future.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything for me in my future.
Speaker 3: After that, that was it, I peaked.
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping we have her back to pop off
Speaker 2: with us one of these fridays.
Speaker 3: Yes, what do you think Bessie's should we do it?
Speaker 3: We're gonna do it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: That brings us to today. We're getting ready to pop off.
Speaker 3: Yea, but first it's time to spotlight our favorite moment
Speaker 3: of the week.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: President Biden awarded the National Medal of Arts this week,
Speaker 2: one of the highest honors and artists can receive. Recognizing
Speaker 2: their contributions to the arts on a national level. The
Speaker 2: recipients are usually legendary, and this year is no different.
Speaker 2: The recipients include two hip hop icons, Queen Latifa and
Speaker 2: Missy Elliott. Missy wrote a little tribute on X saying
Speaker 2: that she is humbly grateful and crying tears of joy,
Speaker 2: and then gave a special shout out to Queen Latifa,
Speaker 2: acknowledging the path that she's paid for artists like Missy.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty special moment. Queen Latifa deserves all
Speaker 3: the bouquets. Congrats to all of this year's recipients as well.
Speaker 3: All right, Danielle, I think it's time to bring in
Speaker 3: today's guests. Let's do it today.
Speaker 2: We're joined by Carlene Higgins and Jill Dunn, co hosts
Speaker 2: of the podcast Breaking Beauty. They're both former Beauty magazine
Speaker 2: editors turn beauty besties. Carleen and Jill, Welcome to the
Speaker 2: bright Side.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Yeah yeah, all the way from Toronto.
Speaker 3: Thanks for coming in studio with that. Of course, we
Speaker 3: are thrilled to be with you guys. I love your
Speaker 3: show and the energy you all bring to podcasting. So
Speaker 3: it's fun to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I love that you said Toronto and not
Speaker 1: Toronto the way I did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I know how to say it's Toronto street cred.
Speaker 4: There's no teas in Toronto. I mean, there's one tea
Speaker 4: in Toronto. Only one's that's the s expression. Yes, I
Speaker 4: like it.
Speaker 1: Well, I love the name of your podcast. Thank you.
Speaker 2: All the beauty magazine editors I know always come from
Speaker 2: a very different space than just a beauty of ficionado.
Speaker 1: How did you guys come up with the name of
Speaker 1: your podcast?
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we really started out wanting to talk about
Speaker 5: the breakthrough people, products and moments and beauty, And certainly
Speaker 5: at the very outset when we sat down to like
Speaker 5: even brainstorm about the podcast, we were like, there's so
Speaker 5: much clutter out there, and there's actually so many inspirational
Speaker 5: founder stories in beauty. And because we were beauty editors,
Speaker 5: we were always like going on press trips learning so
Speaker 5: much much about brands and products and the people behind them,
Speaker 5: and that was what was so interesting, and we never
Speaker 5: really got to write about that, so it was always
Speaker 5: just like what's new. So we were kind of like,
Speaker 5: these people are bringing breakthrough ideas. We want to speak
Speaker 5: to them, and of course we've evolved since then, but
Speaker 5: it kind of came from that, and a lot of
Speaker 5: people ask me if it's inspired by Breaking Bad. It's
Speaker 5: actually not. However, that is my favorite show. I don't
Speaker 5: know if you would add anything, Kurleen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think this is what we've always
Speaker 4: tried to do as editors is help women edit what's
Speaker 4: really good in the market because it is so cluttered.
Speaker 2: So clutter is an understatement exactly. There are new launches
Speaker 2: every single week now.
Speaker 4: Exactly, so when we set out to speak to founders.
Speaker 4: Now we have basically an encyclopedia of brands who we've
Speaker 4: spoken to, whether it's Matt Cosmetics, Paula's Choice, some of
Speaker 4: these great heritage brands, and in magazines, the focus was
Speaker 4: always on what's new, what's new, and so we wanted
Speaker 4: to create this space where if you go and check out,
Speaker 4: let's say our Paula's Choice up is where we speak
Speaker 4: to the founder, Paula Bagoyin. We talk about the iconic
Speaker 4: product from Paula's Choice, the best selling products. So if
Speaker 4: you just are going to pick one to start out
Speaker 4: to get to know that brand, that's the product Doctor
Speaker 4: Denis Gross. We go deep on the two step bha
Speaker 4: Aha pads that are so iconic, backstory behind Viva Glam
Speaker 4: lipstick with the founder of Mat Cosmetics.
Speaker 1: We've got it.
Speaker 4: So I think it's very unique in the space that
Speaker 4: you can go in and kind of explore what's truly
Speaker 4: the best in beauty. And then every single month we
Speaker 4: also have product review episodes where we try dozens of
Speaker 4: products and we just edit down what we think are
Speaker 4: the best launches of the month.
Speaker 1: That's cool, sat damn good? Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, So what is a skincare product that we
Speaker 3: should all splurge on right now? Like, what's your one
Speaker 3: skincare splurge that's totally worth the money?
Speaker 1: Do we have a cap on this spend? No, honestly curious,
Speaker 1: like how high you want to go? Okay?
Speaker 5: Well, one of the things as being a beauty editor
Speaker 5: and a content creator is you do get sent pr
Speaker 5: And I got sent pr from doctor Jason Diamond's line.
Speaker 5: It's called Medicine m E t A sin ci n E.
Speaker 5: And I started using it and lo and hold, I
Speaker 5: loved it. And he's a famous plastic surgeon here in
Speaker 5: Beverly Hills and there's a lot of famous faces that
Speaker 5: got to him. So I started using it and loving it,
Speaker 5: and then I looked up the price point and it's
Speaker 5: a splurge at several hundred dollars dollars right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Zerum, I think, yes for one fluid ounce.
Speaker 1: Huh oh my god. Yeah, listen, I.
Speaker 5: Apologize in advanced it is good, but you know, ultimately,
Speaker 5: at heart, I am like a drugstore Amazon Girly, always
Speaker 5: have been, and I will recommend also like the cost
Speaker 5: Ar X Snail Music Zerum from Amazon, which is fifteen dollars.
Speaker 5: Like I think there's That's the beautiful thing about skin
Speaker 5: here these days is like there's something for everyone and
Speaker 5: you you can get a whole routine for one hundred
Speaker 5: bucks from Amazon and you'll love it. But I'm just
Speaker 5: saying that was a recent discovery for me. And you know,
Speaker 5: these products are out there. People are buying the expensive
Speaker 5: ones too, So.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a question about the opposite. Yes, okay,
Speaker 2: we've talked on the pod. I'm obsessed with the Loril
Speaker 2: voluminous mascara.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've tried Door, I've tried Charlotte Tilbury.
Speaker 2: All the expensive ones and I come back to the
Speaker 2: voluminous every single time as you should.
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yeah. Is there a drug store product that
Speaker 1: you always come back to?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: There's so many? Yeah, I mean I agree with you, mascara.
Speaker 4: There is no reason to spend forty dollars on a
Speaker 4: mascara ever. You know, essentially they are on the same
Speaker 4: assembly line as you know, whether it's designer or drug store.
Speaker 4: And I truly think that mascara is the category where
Speaker 4: you can you don't have to spend more than probably
Speaker 4: twelve dollars.
Speaker 1: What's the lash extensions?
Speaker 5: One that we loved this year was it elf Well,
Speaker 5: there's two that Loreal Panorama I was obsessed with, and
Speaker 5: then Lash Extender from elf Lash.
Speaker 1: Extender, that's the one.
Speaker 4: It's a tubing mascara, which a lot of people love
Speaker 4: because the tubing doesn't transfer it kind of what is tubing?
Speaker 4: So tubing mescaras kind of create this saran wrap effect
Speaker 4: on each and every lash. So what's what you'll really
Speaker 4: notice mainly is when you wash off a tubing mascara,
Speaker 4: you only need water and if you kind of like
Speaker 4: use your fingers to rub them off, they come off
Speaker 4: in little tubes. Interesting and that's a tubing mescaren Because
Speaker 4: it has that kind of shrink wrap around each slash,
Speaker 4: it doesn't transfer, so for people who have oily lids
Speaker 4: or hooded eyelids, lower lashes, it's a great option for that.
Speaker 4: So the lash extender is our favorite. It's probably twelve dollars.
Speaker 1: I think it's eight bucks. Yeah, it's wild. But you're
Speaker 1: a good company because makeup by Mario who's been doing
Speaker 1: makeup for how long yep, I just went to his
Speaker 1: masterclass and he's that's he's using.
Speaker 2: Well, the holidays are coming up, and beauty products are
Speaker 2: always a great gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, he yah.
Speaker 2: But if we're struggling to figure out what to get someone,
Speaker 2: because as you mentioned, makeup is so personal, what products
Speaker 2: do you think make great gifts.
Speaker 5: For for skincare or for makeup or for makeup? Okay,
Speaker 5: I think right now what's absolutely genius and I wish
Speaker 5: I thought of it myself is when you go to
Speaker 5: a Sephora, and I think Altaism as well. These makeup
Speaker 5: sampler kits, so they will give you like ten mesceras
Speaker 5: in one.
Speaker 1: Kit, all minis and the fragrance sampler kits.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, for sure, but these ones lets you to
Speaker 5: try and they're all minis and it's like a really
Speaker 5: great value. There's sometimes like twenty five thirty bucks and
Speaker 5: you get to try ten and then you get inside
Speaker 5: that usually a coupon to then go in and redeem
Speaker 5: for the one you like the best.
Speaker 1: Allid cool. This is like an advent calendar for mass Yes.
Speaker 5: And then of course they took that idea they brought
Speaker 5: it to skincare. They have like vacation sets. Now they
Speaker 5: have once for frag which is also very personal. But
Speaker 5: I love that idea because you're giving the gift of choice.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, I think that's really fun.
Speaker 1: And discovery too.
Speaker 3: Right, You're allowing someone to like discover new brands that
Speaker 3: they're like, I feel like you can never go wrong with,
Speaker 3: like a little sampler kit of skincare makeup.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If I ever get that as a gift, I'm like, amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell me something I love.
Speaker 4: I love the elevated like, you know, the whole idea
Speaker 4: of gifting where you have something little that is an
Speaker 4: everyday item, but you give them an elevated version of it,
Speaker 4: so you pay a little bit more and that's always impressive.
Speaker 4: People don't generally treat themselves that way. So I think
Speaker 4: an MEJ clock clip in a stocking is like everybody.
Speaker 4: So if you know that brand MEJ, it's again it's
Speaker 4: a great idea. It's a regular clock clip, but the colors,
Speaker 4: like it has that weightiness to it where it feels
Speaker 4: like designer sunglasses, do you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 4: the Prada sunglasses that heavy acetate and the colors are
Speaker 4: the best. We got a dark red one in our
Speaker 4: rare beauty pr Kids, but you can buy these as well,
Speaker 4: and it's just kind of the color selections great. We're
Speaker 4: a nail polish, you know, a nail polish is something
Speaker 4: that Chanelle Arnie nail polishes. They're probably around thirty four dollars,
Speaker 4: so again it's not a drugstore one, but it's something
Speaker 4: you can throw in a stocking and you know, if
Speaker 4: your friend is a nail girlie, then she's gonna love it.
Speaker 1: Are there any other trends that you're seeing?
Speaker 4: Did you guys hear that Beyonce unveiled her second fragrance
Speaker 4: just this week?
Speaker 1: Tell us more so.
Speaker 4: It's called se Lumiere and apparently it has top notes
Speaker 4: of Madagascar black pepper and Italian mandarin.
Speaker 1: Madagascar probably vanilla. That's where all the good bard.
Speaker 4: Notes of jasmine, samback, absolute and rhubarb, and base notes
Speaker 4: of Indonesian petuli and skin musk.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: She went all over the world to be and so
Speaker 1: it just it just dropped this week.
Speaker 4: It's available for pre order on her website and it
Speaker 4: will start shipping in early November.
Speaker 5: We were looking it up online this Yeah, once the
Speaker 5: cowboy carter inspired the look of it.
Speaker 1: The bottle. The bottle is how so well the.
Speaker 4: Colors, because I think the first one was silver in
Speaker 4: this one's gold and the other one apparently also launched
Speaker 4: following the release of Renaissance. So what's interesting is this
Speaker 4: three sixty promotion where it's really planned, you know, and
Speaker 4: you know this one's working out. Whereas, of course, with
Speaker 4: Blake Lively when she launched her hair care line with
Speaker 4: her movie, that didn't work out as well. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: this seems she seems to be doing this well. So yeah,
Speaker 4: that was big news this week. That is interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and nineties makeup is coming back, don't worry Dan. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but whether or not you're going to pluck your brows
Speaker 5: to go that full nineties?
Speaker 1: Are you going to commit? You're going to commit? No,
Speaker 1: absolutely not.
Speaker 2: I've never gotten my brows done. My mom would never
Speaker 2: let me. I'm so grateful to her for that now. Yes,
Speaker 2: but okay, nineties makeup, how would you describe it?
Speaker 5: A lot of vampy lips with thinner browse, like proper,
Speaker 5: you know, like almost a bit reminiscent of Gwen Stefani's
Speaker 5: No Doubt Days.
Speaker 1: Not as severe as that, but definitely we're seeing that
Speaker 1: on the runway. Yeah. So Flipliner, Yeah, Lipliner is your bff.
Speaker 2: I feel like we already started popping up, but maybe
Speaker 2: we should officially pop up.
Speaker 1: Loving this conversation so far, this is wonderful. Okay.
Speaker 2: So there's a brand new trend that's changing the way
Speaker 2: we think about applying makeup, and we've all searched to
Speaker 2: find the right shades, the right color palette for our
Speaker 2: skin tones. I know, in the Casado each Q stores
Speaker 2: in Japan and in China they have like a cool
Speaker 2: two way video thing that'll match exactly what your shade is,
Speaker 2: which is pretty remarkable. Everyone's trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: to do that on their own, and there's a makeup
Speaker 2: artist out of France who came up with the contrast
Speaker 2: makeup theory and it's based on this TikTok filter that
Speaker 2: she created.
Speaker 1: So here's how it works.
Speaker 2: You find the filter, it gives you prompts to match
Speaker 2: your skin tone to the contrast levels, so there's low, medium,
Speaker 2: or high, which I don't totally understand. Maybe you guys
Speaker 2: can explain that, and then it recommends the types of
Speaker 2: makeup to use.
Speaker 1: And how to apply it.
Speaker 4: I think we're going to try it live here on
Speaker 4: the air and figure out what contrast we are. But
Speaker 4: last year it was all about color theory, right, everybody
Speaker 4: on TikTok was trying different filters to figure out whether
Speaker 4: you were spring fall, you know, winter, summer. So now
Speaker 4: this idea is that you're going to find what makeup
Speaker 4: suits you best by contrast. So if your low contrast,
Speaker 4: the idea is that, well, you're going to put the
Speaker 4: filter on. And it really has to do with your
Speaker 4: natural features, So the color of your hair, the color
Speaker 4: of your eyebrows, the natural color of your lips, whether
Speaker 4: it's kind of has a low amount of difference between
Speaker 4: the shadows and the highlight, or whether there's a stark contrast,
Speaker 4: then you would be a high contrast person, and then
Speaker 4: there's right in the middle, which is mid contrast. And
Speaker 4: the idea the makeup artist proposes is that you then
Speaker 4: want to use makeup that suits your contrast zone. So
Speaker 4: if you take the example of Elle Fanning, she's blonde
Speaker 4: with blue eyes, barely their brows, very low contrast. So
Speaker 4: she had a picture side by side where in one
Speaker 4: case she has very light makeup, like monochromatic, kind of
Speaker 4: low makeup makeup, and in the next picture she's wearing
Speaker 4: a bold eye look. Her eyebrows are accentuated. You can
Speaker 4: think about a gold lip, and it is jarring. It's
Speaker 4: jarring because there's such a high contrast between this makeup
Speaker 4: and her natural the natural contrast that's on her face.
Speaker 4: So I think this makeup artist is proposing that if
Speaker 4: you want to be in harmony with the features that
Speaker 4: you already have, it looks better to stay within the
Speaker 4: family of your natural given contrast.
Speaker 3: From what I understand, it comes down to the juxta
Speaker 3: position between your skin color and your hair color. So
Speaker 3: if your skin color and your hair color are similar,
Speaker 3: like blonde hair, fair skin, that's low contrasts.
Speaker 1: That's what. So Sydney Sweeney is low contract.
Speaker 3: She's low con Yes, Zendaia is medium contrast because her
Speaker 3: hair is kind of like a warm brown.
Speaker 1: Skin is kind of a warm brown. Interesting.
Speaker 3: High contrast would be I don't know, maybe your high contrast,
Speaker 3: like you have fair skin with like a darker brunette hair.
Speaker 1: They were saying, Emily Radakowski is high contrast. Yeah that
Speaker 1: makes sense. Yeah, okay. Should we we have the TikTok
Speaker 1: should we try it?
Speaker 5: Let's do it everyone, I have it pulled up everybody,
Speaker 5: and it basically asked you to tap on your skin tone,
Speaker 5: which I've tapped on light, and then it asked you
Speaker 5: to put on high, medium or low contrast. I'm gonna
Speaker 5: get the video going. That's high contrast, so it looks
Speaker 5: very defined. All my features look extremely defined in that.
Speaker 5: Do you want to see mine or do you want
Speaker 5: to try it? I want to see yours and okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 5: you look like medium contrast, I think, I think so, yes,
Speaker 5: you tell me.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: So, since this is an audio medium, I'm going to
Speaker 3: try and describe what's happening here. One side of the
Speaker 3: filter is your face and then one side of the
Speaker 3: filter is this template that shows you what high, medium,
Speaker 3: low contrast looks like, and then you try to match
Speaker 3: them up and yeah, it definitely looks like your medium.
Speaker 1: Let's try it. Okay, let's try it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, simon you, why don't you try it? Okay, so
Speaker 5: you can you can just make a video. Start with
Speaker 5: the video, and then you can like play around. So
Speaker 5: you select your skin tone at the bottom little thing
Speaker 5: medium or light, medium or deep, I think it says,
Speaker 5: And then and then you play around the contrasts.
Speaker 1: Gray scale is really tough, it is. I do feel
Speaker 1: like it's photography. Yeah, yeah, not low contrast. No, you're
Speaker 1: not low, not high. I think I'm mid. I think
Speaker 1: your medium. I think that actually to me looking at you,
Speaker 1: you're not mid, You're just medium contrast? Do I have
Speaker 1: light or medium skin? Tongue? M I feel like a
Speaker 1: light medium? I know, try light. Yeah, let's start. I
Speaker 1: think I'm medium to high. Well, and Carleen, you did you?
Speaker 5: Okay, it's tough, so just your light skin, yes, and
Speaker 5: then you can just tap those Gosh, I'm.
Speaker 4: Definitely not high. Uh medium, I think I'm probably medium.
Speaker 4: What do you think of my lighter?
Speaker 5: You don't like the light on you. No, I'm medium,
Speaker 5: so you can and then you guys, uh, I'm going
Speaker 5: to accidentally post.
Speaker 1: This embarrassing swipe to the right. So that's medium for Carleen.
Speaker 1: So all four of us are medium. This filter works
Speaker 1: really well. That's hig. I think you should look in
Speaker 1: the mirror and put on the kind of makeup. Yeah
Speaker 1: you feel me.
Speaker 5: I was just about to say the most respected makeup
Speaker 5: artists that I follow, Katie Jane Hughes, who's been on
Speaker 5: our show. I think I think the thing with makeup
Speaker 5: when we're just regular girlies, we're trying to get ready,
Speaker 5: people do want rules because they're not sure what to do,
Speaker 5: and they're just like, I need to get out the door.
Speaker 5: How do I make sure I don't look like a clown?
Speaker 5: And so they're like, what do I put with this
Speaker 5: and that? And I think most makeup artists would say
Speaker 5: it erases the fun of makeup, It erases the play element,
Speaker 5: and anybody can really wear red lip. It's just about
Speaker 5: the confidence to pull it off. So don't get all
Speaker 5: bogged down in these filters and these rules, because they
Speaker 5: can be very confusing, and most makeup artists are confused
Speaker 5: by this filter. By the way, that's been the consensus online.
Speaker 5: They're like, it's kind of maybe because everybody ends up
Speaker 5: being meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, we're pausing the party for just a
Speaker 3: moment to take a quick break.
Speaker 1: Stay with us.
Speaker 3: And we're back. Okay, next up. Before we share this
Speaker 3: next story, I want to start with a question. How
Speaker 3: competitive are you when it comes to winning an argument.
Speaker 1: I like to have the last word. I love the honesty.
Speaker 1: I love the vulnerability and the honesty. We're like sisters.
Speaker 5: Yes, after seven years of podcast, how about you, Carlyn?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say I'm pretty competitive.
Speaker 1: Okay, Danielle, I'm going to give you my therapized answer.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I want the I want the pre therapy answer.
Speaker 3: I want the unhealed answer.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: The real answer is I feel like if you're not
Speaker 2: on the same team when you're arguing, you're doing it wrong.
Speaker 1: Like you really have to see and hear each other.
Speaker 1: So not competitive at all. Wow, that's very evolved. It
Speaker 1: is very useful.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say it's depends on the day. Sometimes I'm
Speaker 3: super competitive and sometimes I don't care. But I came
Speaker 3: across a headline in the New York Post that really
Speaker 3: threw me for a loop. Here's the headline. It says,
Speaker 3: couples are using AI to fight and win arguments. This
Speaker 3: is where we are now, This is humanity in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four. So the article shares various stories of couples
Speaker 3: who are actually turning to chat GPT to help them
Speaker 3: win their arguments. One person on Reddit said that every
Speaker 3: time they have a disagreement, the girlfriend will quote go
Speaker 3: away and discuss the argument with chat GPT, even sometimes while.
Speaker 1: In the same room.
Speaker 3: Wow, you can't reveal your secrets, Yes, you to at
Speaker 3: least pretend like you're doing it all on your own
Speaker 3: journal exactly. And then this girlfriend will come back with
Speaker 3: a well constructed argument, breaking down everything her partner said
Speaker 3: or did during the argument.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think about this?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 1: Well, my first thought is one more tool against the patriarchy,
Speaker 1: So I am here for it. But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think, like sometimes I think walking away from our
Speaker 5: argument is never a bad thing if you're really heated
Speaker 5: and whatnot, and you're just like, I need to gather
Speaker 5: my thoughts so I don't explode or say something I regret.
Speaker 5: So that's always a good thing. But what I trust
Speaker 5: a computer to maybe like formulate an argument on my behalf.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would.
Speaker 5: Necessarily, And also, like who is inputting the information. It's
Speaker 5: only as smart as who's writing, you know, or what
Speaker 5: information is gathering from the web, so we don't know
Speaker 5: where they're gathering it from.
Speaker 4: I don't know exactly. I think there's potential in this.
Speaker 4: But what surprises me about this story is that it's
Speaker 4: not the man going off and consulting touch to be yes.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, the women like we have our arguments covered.
Speaker 4: It was like we were born to argue right our
Speaker 4: way out of things and convince people of things. But
Speaker 4: a lot of males are just not in touch with,
Speaker 4: you know, their feelings. They're not thinking like they just
Speaker 4: think so differently. So they kind of need chat GBT
Speaker 4: and the women need to frontload it with you know,
Speaker 4: the data, and then we can talk to each other.
Speaker 1: So I think we can maybe use this tool to
Speaker 1: our advantage. I think we can.
Speaker 3: I like the idea of starting off with chat GBT
Speaker 3: before you get into the argument, formulate your ideas. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's always something that I do whenever I have a
Speaker 3: big conversation. I don't necessarily go to chatt but I,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of write down on my talking points
Speaker 3: and whatnot. You know, I think it'd be fun to
Speaker 3: kind of spice things up, Like why not like tell
Speaker 3: chat GPT to put it in like a character's voice,
Speaker 3: you know, like you know, like write me an argument
Speaker 3: in the voice of Miranda Priestley from Devilware's product, and
Speaker 3: then you could like read that script and then that
Speaker 3: could just you.
Speaker 1: Know, spice up the argument a little.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or if you want your marriage, or if you
Speaker 5: want to be very diplomatic in the style of Dear Abby,
Speaker 5: you know something like that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really do you have you ever? I don't know.
Speaker 3: Let's say, like if you were in an argument with
Speaker 3: a friend and you like, you know, wanted to come
Speaker 3: up with a way to have an argument with this
Speaker 3: person in like a way that wasn't super passive aggressive.
Speaker 1: Have you ever consulted chat GBT? Okay, Simone is putting
Speaker 1: me on blast because I did this stop it. Yeah, obsessed.
Speaker 2: I was in New York a few weeks ago and
Speaker 2: I had like a I have I hadn't had a
Speaker 2: day off in a while. I was really like on
Speaker 2: a mission kind of okay, and my first Sunday off
Speaker 2: in like three weeks. A girlfriend of mine was very sweet,
Speaker 2: picked me up in the morning from the place I
Speaker 2: was staying and took me and my luggage to a hotel.
Speaker 1: She has a car, which is, you know, rare in
Speaker 1: New York. So she's very kind. And then she she
Speaker 1: tricked me because I get in the car and she's like, hey,
Speaker 1: can you come help me move my mattress? Oh boy?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm thirty three. I don't want to
Speaker 1: move a mattress. Can you tip your maintenance man?
Speaker 2: Like I yeh no, And so she's like please, like
Speaker 2: I helped you, and I was like, oh, I feel
Speaker 2: so tricked. Yeah, So anyways, I couldn't I go and
Speaker 2: I help her with her mattress. And while we're pulling
Speaker 2: the new mattress out of the box, which by the way,
Speaker 2: I didn't know how heavy mattresses are very heavy. I'm
Speaker 2: pulling the new mattress out of the box and her
Speaker 2: dog comes and bites my foot really bad, really bad,
Speaker 2: Like I have a scar right now, are you really bad?
Speaker 2: I was bleeding, I was I was in shock. It
Speaker 2: was really painful, and I kind of have a high
Speaker 2: pain tolerance, so it was like pretty bad. So I
Speaker 2: was flustered, and I was like, I gotta go, Like
Speaker 2: I just wanted to leave and go back to the
Speaker 2: hotel for the hospital. I actually went to the doctor
Speaker 2: the following day.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyways, she I don't hear from her. The following morning,
Speaker 2: she texts me and she says, Hey, how's the foot.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm really taking it back by
Speaker 2: both the content and the timing of your message, Like,
Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't check in sooner.
Speaker 1: Your dog tore my photo.
Speaker 2: Bart Yeah, and she went haywire, like she started sending
Speaker 2: me paragraphs of how I left her high and dry
Speaker 2: with the mattress and she had nowhere to sleep.
Speaker 1: And I was like, girlfriend, your daughter fit me. That's
Speaker 1: the brideline.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: So we're going back and forth and now I'm not
Speaker 2: a heated person.
Speaker 1: I'm getting heated. So I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm going to chat GPT. This is smart for texting.
Speaker 3: She do.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I go to chat GPT. I put our conversation
Speaker 1: in the whole thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, and then I say, can you please share a
Speaker 2: reply that is thoughtful, kind and not passive aggressive?
Speaker 1: In terms of what she should have said to me.
Speaker 2: Came up with four sentences that was so good, and
Speaker 2: I sent it to her and I said, after reading
Speaker 2: all this, I think this is what you could have
Speaker 2: shared instead, Like I'm not, I don't this is really selfish.
Speaker 1: I send it to her and she goes it sounds
Speaker 1: like a computer wrote that. She called you, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: But honestly, she does not have a leg to stand on.
Speaker 1: I know we talked.
Speaker 2: I think she was harboring some feelings that were coming
Speaker 2: up from the past a previous. It sounds like it
Speaker 2: was a bigger thing, So I take some accountability here. However,
Speaker 2: in that particular situation.
Speaker 1: No leg to stand on.
Speaker 2: But chat GPT kind of saved me because otherwise I
Speaker 2: think I would have gone off.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you were the one with no leg to
Speaker 4: stand on, Actually you're.
Speaker 1: Very quick with it. Okay, So we came across this concept.
Speaker 2: That's for anyone who doesn't want to wait until the
Speaker 2: new year to accomplish their fitness goals. So all across
Speaker 2: TikTok this week you can find people talking about the
Speaker 2: winter arc.
Speaker 1: Have you heard of this? Yes, I hadn't heard of this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So Basically, if you're like me and haven't heard
Speaker 2: of this, the Winter Arc is considered muscular self improvement
Speaker 2: strategy that is not for whimps, and promise is to
Speaker 2: be the ultimate way to hit your personal goals, your development,
Speaker 2: and your growth.
Speaker 1: I still don't know what that means. I think it
Speaker 1: means a rebrand. I think that needs a rebrand. Basically,
Speaker 1: it's designed to give you a head start to the
Speaker 1: new year. But here's the catch. You have to give
Speaker 1: up everything else.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's kind of reminding me of that seventy five
Speaker 5: hard trend. Yes, or some people were doing it like
Speaker 5: ninety day Hard, which is basically like three workouts a day.
Speaker 5: Like people are out here with like weighted vests on,
Speaker 5: like they're going in to battle, and I'm just like this,
Speaker 5: this is wild.
Speaker 1: It's so much pressure. But I think what happens at
Speaker 1: the end of a year.
Speaker 5: You're sitting there, you're maybe reviewing your journal from earlier
Speaker 5: in the year, and you didn't like accomplish your goals,
Speaker 5: and it's like this pressure to get something done by
Speaker 5: the end of the year. And they're like, I'm going
Speaker 5: to get hot by twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: So well, they said you have to wake up at
Speaker 2: five thirty am, drink leads of water. Yeah, say, no girlfriends,
Speaker 2: relationships or self pleasure. You have to hit the gym
Speaker 2: six times a week. Talk users said no other human contact,
Speaker 2: which I guess is kind of a joke but not really,
Speaker 2: and no other pleasures.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's a way somebody just
Speaker 4: decided that instead of hibernating and watching home alone, that
Speaker 4: you know, you should be utilizing that time and taking
Speaker 4: you know, making the most of it. The only way
Speaker 4: this would apply to my real life is because we're
Speaker 4: at the end of the year, Like if you have
Speaker 4: any kind of insurance, like for me, I'm like I
Speaker 4: need all the massages, I need all of those appointments
Speaker 4: to use up that money that I've already paid or
Speaker 4: it's just going to go in the trash, Like that's
Speaker 4: what I would do. But also for beauty, this is
Speaker 4: a time when if you're a beauty girly in the fall,
Speaker 4: in the winter, when you want to go get your lasers,
Speaker 4: like all of those treatments that you don't want to
Speaker 4: do in the summer because it's the sun is basically
Speaker 4: going to undo hit an undoe button on all of
Speaker 4: those expensive treatments. So that's what probably we would be
Speaker 4: doing if we had a winter are Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: So clearly this was created by a member of the
Speaker 3: male species, probably on steroids. Yes, I hate everything about this.
Speaker 3: You know, fitness can be about joy and it can
Speaker 3: be about feeling good, and there's so much beauty in
Speaker 3: fitness and wellness and personal development. This is stripping away
Speaker 3: all of that. And when we do that, these wellness
Speaker 3: habits become completely unsustainable. I don't like the seventy five
Speaker 3: hard thing because you're you're punishing yourself for seventy five
Speaker 3: days and then after that you are going to need
Speaker 3: some form of release because you are a human being
Speaker 3: and we're not meant to live this way. It's also
Speaker 3: like not sustainable for someone like me who's a mom.
Speaker 3: I basically have like thirty minutes every day where I
Speaker 3: can work out.
Speaker 1: Let's not do this. This is so toxic and like
Speaker 1: we can just we can.
Speaker 3: Enjoy our workouts and our wellness and drink water and
Speaker 3: also still watch Home Alone and Little Women and drink
Speaker 3: pumpkins Byelot.
Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of just like following nature. There's
Speaker 5: a reason all the animals hibernate in the winter. Yeah,
Speaker 5: why am I gonna go against nature? Like, honestly, it's
Speaker 5: just not it doesn't feel right. Yeah, And it's so
Speaker 5: much pressure on yourself. And what if you missed one
Speaker 5: day at the gym or you you know, call an
Speaker 5: ex boyfriend or whatever. Like, it's just not You're not
Speaker 5: gonna feel good about yourself.
Speaker 4: This whole conversation is reminding me that I need to
Speaker 4: start writing in my five minute journal again though, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I was doing that for probably half the year,
Speaker 4: and then I think it fell off in the summer.
Speaker 4: You know, summer you kind of kick off and relax,
Speaker 4: and I never got back to it. So maybe that
Speaker 4: is a bit of the winter arc. I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna that's going to get back into my manifesting journal.
Speaker 1: Let's feminize the winter arc. Can we change this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's make it work for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna journal's laser laser hair removal.
Speaker 1: This is the time for it.
Speaker 3: Yes, I feel so informed after this conversation, like I
Speaker 3: am ready to take on the beauty world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 2: Also, I think you have two new listeners now, oh
Speaker 2: oh yeah, wow to hear it, Breaking Beauty.
Speaker 1: You really know what you're talking about, curiously. Carlene Higgins,
Speaker 1: Jill Dunn, thank you so much, Thank you.
Speaker 2: This was so fun.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Jill Done and Carlene Higgins co host the podcast Breaking Beauty.
Speaker 2: We have to take another short break, but we'll be
Speaker 2: back in just a minute. Don't go anywhere, we're back, Okay, Danielle.
Speaker 2: It's Friday. Let's get ready for the weekend with a
Speaker 2: What's in Your Cart segment presented by Walmart. Welcome to
Speaker 2: your Walmart.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: This time of year, I love to cuddle up with
Speaker 2: a cozy blanket and a good book and spend a
Speaker 2: Saturday or Sunday afternoon immersing myself in a story.
Speaker 1: What are you reading right now?
Speaker 2: I just finished reading Society of Lies by Lauren Ling Brown,
Speaker 2: which is Reese's book club pick for October.
Speaker 1: It was so good, it was amazing.
Speaker 3: It's such a juicy, twisty murder mystery, perfect thing to
Speaker 3: read this time of year, and.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to have her on the show next week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're so lucky. But here's the thing with all these
Speaker 2: amazing books. My living room is turning into a library,
Speaker 2: and I'm running out of places to put all the books.
Speaker 2: These color coded bookshelves are fulsome, so I've been stuffing
Speaker 2: them in my kitchen cabinets, under my bed. There's some
Speaker 2: underneath my sofa. I'm one book away from being a hoarder.
Speaker 2: And I looked around my apartment last weekend and I thought,
Speaker 2: I can't live like this anymore. So I went to
Speaker 2: Walmart and I got a brand new bookshelf.
Speaker 1: Oh good for you.
Speaker 2: They have so many choices, and I got this beautiful
Speaker 2: one from the Better Homes and Garden collection.
Speaker 1: Are you feeling better yet? Yes?
Speaker 2: I feel so out of control when things are unorganized,
Speaker 2: so I'm climbing back to feeling like myself.
Speaker 1: But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I have a bunch of new books coming, so I
Speaker 2: feel like I need another trip to Walmart.
Speaker 1: Do you want to come over to my house and
Speaker 1: do mine next? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I love color coding. It's a deal.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 1: That's it for today's show, thanks to our partners at Walmart.
Speaker 2: On Monday, we're joined by author Lauren link Brown, whose
Speaker 2: debut novel, Society of Lies, is the October pick for
Speaker 2: Reese's book Club. Listen and follow the bright Side on
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Speaker 1: Executive produced by Reese Witherspoon.
Speaker 3: Production by Arcana Audio. Our producers are Jessica Wenk and
Speaker 3: Christ Ripple. Our senior producers are Itsy Quintania and Amy Padula.
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Speaker 3: I'm Simone Boyce. You can find me at Simone Boyce
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Speaker 1: We'll see you Monday, y'all, keep looking on the bright side.