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Speaker 2: The John Annik and Kenny Florian Podcast John Annik and

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Speaker 2: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love them.

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Speaker 4: I can't get enough of them.

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Speaker 1: Find out.

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Speaker 3: There are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 1: You're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 5: Not gonna make Ken flow sing easy like Sunday morning.

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Speaker 5: That's why I me. We got NFL football in two hours.

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Speaker 5: What could be better?

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Speaker 6: Good Sunday to you.

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Speaker 5: It is the nineteenth of October twenty twenty five, Episode

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Speaker 5: five seventy two of the Annicin Floor and Podcast, brought

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Speaker 5: to you by DraftKings, DraftKings, The crown is yours, Ken Float.

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Speaker 5: It's nice to see you. You're looking pretty handsome today.

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Speaker 5: I would say like an eight and a half on

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Speaker 7: It's amazing what a tan will do. Uh, you know,

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Speaker 7: don't need any makeup. But how you been?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 7: What's going on?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you do look a little sun splashed. Maybe that's

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Speaker 5: what it is. Can you see me in all of

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Speaker 5: my whiteness here having relocated to New England. That's the

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Speaker 5: worst part, I think right now, A little chill in

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Speaker 5: the air, but just the fact that I am almost

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Speaker 5: as white as the walls and I like to be dark.

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Speaker 7: You're not that You're not that white, dude. You got

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Speaker 7: a good tag going on.

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Speaker 6: So where'd you get a tan? Just home?

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Speaker 7: Like you just want to being outside man shooting.

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Speaker 8: You know, it's like it gets it gets hot in

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Speaker 8: the middle of the day and you're just outside. So

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Speaker 8: I got I got a crazy farmer's tan. But being

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Speaker 6: So we're excited to be with you on a Sunday.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes we do this, especially in advance of a pay

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Speaker 5: per view week, and we have a huge UFC Fight

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Speaker 5: night to recap last night. I can't think of a

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Speaker 5: fight night in recent memory that has had so many

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Speaker 5: headlines and talking points after the facts. So we will

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Speaker 5: spend the first thirty minutes of the program or so

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Speaker 5: on UFC Fight Night de Ritter versus Allan. We have

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Speaker 5: Raymond Longo on a Sunday coming up live at eleven

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Speaker 5: thirty am Eastern. We also have some predictions for UFC

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Speaker 5: three twenty one Aspinall versus Gone, which is now six

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Speaker 5: short days away. Wheels up to Abu Dhabi for me

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Speaker 5: on Tuesday, and we will also joined by the future

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Speaker 5: UFC Hall of Famer Dominic Cruz at the back end

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Speaker 5: of the program about twelve thirty pm Eastern Time, or

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Speaker 5: so Kenny. It seems like several times over the last

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Speaker 5: Legendary kickboxer and mixed martial arts trainer, founder of Rufus Sport,

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Speaker 5: Duke Rufus, unexpectedly passed away over the weekend. He was

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Speaker 5: we often do, in memory of Duke Rufus. What was

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Speaker 8: You know, when I first started training in mixed martial arts,

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Speaker 5: what he was able to accomplish. Ballamahammad, of course Brendan Allen. Right,

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Speaker 5: You know, he was a guy who had been cornered

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Speaker 5: we are gonna sidestep here to a lighter note, Ken Flow,

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Speaker 5: Not now, but right now it is time for the

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Speaker 5: first shot of the Fight Weekend with Quervo. We're going

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Speaker 5: chilled Cristalino as always kicking off this Sunday proper and

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Speaker 5: the middle of the first shot of the Fight Weekend,

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Speaker 5: so we will get ken Flow's predictions later. Spoiler alert.

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Speaker 5: He likes Tom aspinall over Steele Gone in the main event,

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Speaker 5: but when you look at these two title fights, aspinall

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Speaker 5: versus Gone and Vienna Jenji Doba Mackenzie DRM. By the way,

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Speaker 5: here during the Vienna jen Gi Doba's Championship fight weeks

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Speaker 5: Rolling that R?

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Speaker 6: Yes, technically you roll the R, but staid quickly.

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Speaker 5: at me with vena sound right, jan gi Doba or

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Cody, you can trigger the file.

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Speaker 5: We're probably gonna have her resay her name, but maybe

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Speaker 5: fucking not. Cody, trigger the file.

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Speaker 9: Go ahead, Vienna Cara, Jean Jidoba.

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Speaker 6: John gi Dooba. But she says john G Doba.

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Speaker 5: I hear I hear a Doba because because Kakara, which

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Speaker 6: Final answer. So we'll get your predictions later, Ken Floba,

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Speaker 5: Now's a good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila.

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Speaker 5: I got a text message last night Ken Flow after

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Speaker 5: de Ritter, and it reads someone put a three hundred

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Speaker 5: and eighty thousand dollars bet on Brendan Allen by TKO

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Speaker 5: Congratulations to Brendan Allen. He gets it done by TKO.

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Speaker 7: And that's exactly what he did.

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Speaker 8: When he got out of those moments, he made them

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Speaker 5: So you never took a grappling or BJJ approach in

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Speaker 8: It's such a balancing act, right because he was trying

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: I don't know how you feel about Brendan Allen against

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Speaker 5: Hamzat Chimaya, right, but he's vowed to bring a belt

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Speaker 5: back to Louisiana. I do think on any given Saturday night,

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Speaker 8: Well, yeah, I think that he's certainly going to make

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Speaker 8: I think Brettan Allen has certain strengths that Dricks does not,

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Speaker 7: Like I said same you brought up Morob.

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Speaker 8: I don't see a whole lot of guys beating either

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Speaker 5: From what I could tell, I really thought Brendan Allen

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Speaker 5: to mention hamzat Chimaya, but he had a secondary plan

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Speaker 5: Allen's position would have been like you're all fucking anointing

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Speaker 5: RDR and I just broke him. More on that in

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Speaker 5: a second. So how about I fight for the championship

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Speaker 5: I'll fight drink Is Duplessi, And I think that makes

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Speaker 5: and I think that fight makes a lot of sense.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely, when you get that mic in front of you

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Speaker 7: And if you don't have.

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Speaker 8: Those names, uh, you know, at the tip of your tongue,

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Speaker 8: then the UFC is gonna put him in there for you.

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Speaker 6: They're gonna they're gonna tell you who you're gonna fight.

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Speaker 8: So anytime you can generate that interest or get people talking,

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Speaker 7: You'll be rewarded.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes I like to look at a potential title fight

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Speaker 5: against Tom Zatchimayev, right, Like, of all these guys out there, right, Like,

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Speaker 5: I think Nasordini Mavov wouldn't be as big a betting

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Speaker 5: Goan is plus three hundred this weekend against Tom aspinall

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Speaker 5: Allen has a bad nickname. Brendan all In Allen, I

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Speaker 5: think it's actually pretty good. But BA, you know, BA

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Speaker 6: Brendan Allen I think makes some sense, just badass.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: My kids are always like they just said ass on TV.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, yeah, you guys are allowed to say fuck

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Speaker 6: But yes, they can say ass on TV.

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Speaker 5: But no, here's the thing, right, and this might fall

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Speaker 5: on some deaf ears, right, Brendan Allen's a fucking badass.

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Speaker 6: I'll look at your fancy water.

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Speaker 7: What is that my topo Chico?

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Speaker 3: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 7: Yes, it pairs well with squervo.

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Speaker 5: Yes, so people who don't like Brendan Allen. Right, and

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Speaker 8: He is tough as hell man, and I think that

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Speaker 8: anytime you can learn from other athletes. You know, one

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Speaker 6: All right, So now we get to a lead story.

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Speaker 5: I guess that perhaps we buried in order to put

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Speaker 5: Mavov wrote, knew it with a laughing emoji. Kyle Bohalio

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Speaker 8: the most honorable thing to just quit. Right However, we

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Speaker 8: in it, and you're fighting in the UFC, and you're

434
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Speaker 8: not mentally in it for one second let her alone,

435
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:01,639
Speaker 8: thinking about not being in it for five more minutes

436
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 8: against a guy who's trying to take your head off,

437
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 8: then maybe that was.

438
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,639
Speaker 7: The best decision, you know, I don't know.

439
00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,280
Speaker 8: And I think a coach is gonna know their fighter

440
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,159
Speaker 8: extremely well of how they deal with adversity and what

441
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 8: they see in the gym or what they've seen in

442
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 8: other fights compared to what they're seeing right now in

443
00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 8: real time. And if you're like, you know what, maybe

444
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 8: I saved my fighter five minutes of brain damage and

445
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,040
Speaker 8: allow him to fight another six fights, then go in

446
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 8: there and get pounded and you know, physically not be

447
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 8: well and not be able to extend his career. So

448
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 8: I don't know I've changed my perspective on it. I

449
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 8: would have been probably more critical if you asked me

450
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 8: maybe ten years ago. Yeah, but you know, it's unfortunate,

451
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 8: and fighters, of course.

452
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 7: Are gonna just hop all over, of course, I mean

453
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 7: they're predators man.

454
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 6: No, of course, of course.

455
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 5: And you know, maybe he would have been better served

456
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 5: in the court of public opinion to put himself in

457
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 5: sort of a defenseless position. You know, we have seen

458
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 5: fighters sort of motion to the referee without motioning right,

459
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 5: Frank Pier, Chill Sun and some other guys. You could

460
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 5: just tell they're just gonna take their TKO because in

461
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 5: some part.

462
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 6: They can't take it anymore.

463
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 5: The cardiovascular base has abandoned them, and in this case,

464
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 5: fatigue was the foremost factor.

465
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,280
Speaker 6: And yeah, all credit to Brendan Allen, but uh.

466
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be a tough couple of weeks for

467
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,719
Speaker 5: ryanier Deriddter, who I think was on the cusp of

468
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 5: a title fight, and now that two year championship set

469
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 5: back rears. It's ugly head again, can flow right? I mean,

470
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 5: this guy took Bowe Nichols, oh and beat Robert Whitaker.

471
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: And you know that's why for the South African drinkis

472
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 5: du plus C with all of those amazing wins, and

473
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 5: he successfully won the belt and defended the title. Right,

474
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 5: it's just so difficult. Blau breaking through didn't defend the title,

475
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 5: but Rhinier de ridder Man, you know, like that's the thing.

476
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,199
Speaker 5: And even Brendan Allen as we talk about a championship

477
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 5: setting like it's so hard to get to a title

478
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 5: fight for Fluffy or any of these guys, never mind

479
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 5: to win it and defense. It's just so hard.

480
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 7: This sport is just insane.

481
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 8: I don't know if people understand how difficult it is

482
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,120
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty five, you know, just to be able

483
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 8: to represent your country as an elite fighter or the

484
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 8: best in your country or the best in your region.

485
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 8: You can go to the UFC and just be like, eh,

486
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 8: it's like hot girls that go to California. There's like

487
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:15,920
Speaker 8: there are ten in they're small town.

488
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 3: They go to.

489
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 7: California, they go to LA They're like a seven. It's

490
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,159
Speaker 7: like that's what it is going go to the UFC.

491
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 7: It's it's ridiculous.

492
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 8: You're getting the best fighters from all over the world,

493
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 8: the best martial artists putting it all together, and you're

494
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 8: seeing how you're going to do against these guys, and

495
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 8: there's so much that can go right and wrong.

496
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 7: Man, And yeah, it's the ultimate proven ground for a reason.

497
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 10: Man.

498
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 7: All right, let us.

499
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 5: Dive into the co main event if we could. And

500
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 5: I know some women who have been kicked in the

501
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,159
Speaker 5: groin and they've lived to tell about it, but it

502
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 5: hasn't felt particularly good. Right. But I think even for

503
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 5: anybody out there who does not have male genitalia, right,

504
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 5: you can understand if you look at a man is

505
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 5: anatomy that if you get kicked there, it's not going

506
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 5: to feel good and some potentially devastating things could happen.

507
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 7: So can we get a picture up just to look?

508
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

509
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 5: So, I think the only time that Cody ever did

510
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,479
Speaker 5: anything of the sort, I think when Paul Felder accepted

511
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 5: a fight against Tafeyel Dosanjos, he put Felder's testicles in

512
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,120
Speaker 5: a wheelbarrow, and I asked him to put it down

513
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,200
Speaker 5: because I didn't think that was sort of the tenor

514
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 5: nor the tone of the show. Uh, But it's Mike

515
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,960
Speaker 5: Mallott over Kevin Holland by unanimous decision.

516
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 6: It's a whole lot more than that.

517
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 5: Obviously, there was a climactic groin striking here that sort

518
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,800
Speaker 5: of laid the foundation to be the narrative, the fight caemflow,

519
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 5: which you think of the comin event. Give him all

520
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 5: you got, ma lot, I mean, give them all you

521
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 5: had gotten in the in the twig and Berry's there.

522
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,080
Speaker 5: I missed the malts he did, and he kept throwing

523
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 5: that kick like right to the center line.

524
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Speaker 8: I'm like, bro, what are you doing? Do you want

525
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 8: to get disqualified? But yeah, those are some hard shots, dude.

526
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 8: But you know, I thought that Molot looked really good

527
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 8: with his hands. I think he sharpened his striking a

528
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 8: little bit offensively.

529
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 7: For sure. It's unfortunate there.

530
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 8: I thought Holland wasn't going to be able to continue

531
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,399
Speaker 8: at one point. I mean he was down for a

532
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 8: long time. And you know, if you are hurt like that, yeah,

533
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 8: take as much time as you need. You don't want

534
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 8: to go in there in that position. And yeah, that

535
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 8: was rough. I mean a couple of them were pretty bad.

536
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 8: Kevin Holland was tough enough to kind of get through

537
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 8: that and push through, but gosh, it was tough. And

538
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 8: the crazy thing about it is, as the guy who

539
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 8: got hurt, you know, you get fans that are kind

540
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 8: of booing in call in Canada, right, so they're gonna

541
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 8: jump all over him.

542
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 7: But crazy situation. Man, I don't know.

543
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 5: Sometimes no you did, and sometimes you can feel like

544
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 5: maybe something's gotten kicked up into your stomach. It's very unsettling.

545
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 5: It almost evokes a reaction from many. Can hear in

546
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 5: this conversation, right, quick story on that summer camp camp Samoset, Casco,

547
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 5: Maine in the mid nineteen nineties and a man whose

548
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 5: name I will not mention. You know, we used to

549
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 5: have to put these wooden benches back on top of

550
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 5: the tables at the end of meals. Right, So you know,

551
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 5: this dude, by accident, had his his Johnson still table,

552
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 5: so the wooden bench and puts it on on his dick. Right,

553
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 5: Taylor Swift drops a dick on her new album, so

554
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: I can say it here.

555
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 3: Right.

556
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 5: So this gentleman, he was a boy at the time,

557
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,639
Speaker 5: he put a you know, thirty five forty pound wooden

558
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 5: bench right on top of his penis and bro.

559
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 6: Yeah, the whole was purple. But we got to move on.

560
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 7: I think, listen, I'll add another story.

561
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 8: And I would always wear that metal cup, right, And

562
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 8: I don't know why fighters don't use that metal cup,

563
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,879
Speaker 8: that tie cup. And one day in practice, I forgot it.

564
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 8: I decided he was my head backup cup in my bag.

565
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 8: It was plastic the one day. The one day I

566
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 8: decided to use a plastic cup, I got need in

567
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 8: the balls so hard. And yeah, I mean I was.

568
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 8: I was down for a while, dude. And again, the

569
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 8: plastic cups, it's literally it's it's uh. It does not

570
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 8: do anything, It does not protect anything.

571
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 7: You gotta get a metal cup, man.

572
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 5: Yeah.

573
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 7: So anyways, yeah, it's so standard.

574
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 6: Yeah.

575
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 5: So you know, for Kevin Holland, fifth fight of the year.

576
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 5: He's a massive fan favorite wherever we go, and you

577
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 5: could certainly hear the commentators talking about that. So credit

578
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 5: to Kevin Holland for largely a productive year. We hope

579
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 5: he returns to health. You know, it's hard to extract

580
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 5: too much, I guess from this fight. I am intrigued

581
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 5: to see Mike Mallott now with a number next to

582
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 5: his name, you know, to see what he can do.

583
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,959
Speaker 5: I was intrigued to see him in this fight, but

584
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 5: you feel like we sort of got short changed in

585
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 5: terms of the mixed martial arts a little bit.

586
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 7: A little bit.

587
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, definitely, because that kind of ended up becoming

588
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 8: the story. But it was a good fight. Ma Lot

589
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 8: is so damn tough and he's got some really good skills.

590
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 8: I think sometimes it comes down to tactics for Mike

591
00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 8: and you know, choosing the right thing to do at

592
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 8: the right time. But I do think he's He's very talented,

593
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 8: he's exciting to watch, and he's tough as nails.

594
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 5: So it would be great for Canada to have a

595
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 5: world champion. Maybe Mike Malot can eventually be that guy

596
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 5: in the next two to three years. Jasmine Jazz Divisius

597
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 5: unfortunately is not going to be that woman. She was

598
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: the closest, but she goes down to man all feer.

599
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 5: But I do feel like I have to say this

600
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: about Mike Malott, and I guess as a UFC commentator,

601
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 5: maybe I should just move on, right But hey, Mike,

602
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: how's it feel to come through again in front of

603
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 5: your fans in Canada? And Malot responds and kind of say, yeah,

604
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: you know, I mean ever since. I've ever since I'm

605
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 5: twelve years old, this has been my dream. I've heard

606
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 5: him say it now twelve times. I know exactly the

607
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 5: answer that is coming. And I think if I'm a Canadian, right,

608
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 5: it's like, we want Mike Malott to be the world champion,

609
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,280
Speaker 5: you know, but I think we also want to see

610
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 5: Mike Malott in the co main event in Las Vegas

611
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 5: on one of the biggest pay per views of the year. Like,

612
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 5: I don't know, I just feel like sometimes it's a

613
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 5: little bit lazy, like we don't have an American champion,

614
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 5: so you know, I mean, so can I go in

615
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 5: there in Vegas and be like, oh, we're here in

616
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 5: the United States of America, you know. I know, the

617
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 5: Canadian fans are amazing.

618
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 6: They are.

619
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 5: I mean, the best crowd I've ever heard was Showgun

620
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 5: on the Otam Machida in Montreal in twenty thirteen or

621
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 5: twenty ten or whatever the fuck it was twenty ten.

622
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 5: But like, I don't know, I just feel like every

623
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 5: time Malat fights, it's just about like Canada and the fans,

624
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 5: and like, I don't know, I'm just a little bit

625
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 5: tired of it. Is that okay to say.

626
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 7: I'm with you, dude, I'm with you.

627
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 6: You know, like I can. I know the answers to

628
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 6: the test. You know, I know the answers to the test.

629
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 5: You know.

630
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 6: I know that we're gonna trot out his hockey brother.

631
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 5: You know, I know we're gonna just lean the fuck

632
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 5: into that as much as humanly possible. And I know

633
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 5: that it's gonna be all Canada, all the time on

634
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 5: the back.

635
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 7: End of you.

636
00:30:56,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 5: You know, sorry, I love it. Speaking of Canada, Amin

637
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 5: Za Hobby, maybe a little home cooking with the split

638
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: decision winning for Marlon cheedoverra Here, no close fight, tough

639
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 5: to score, very entertaining fight. It did not get fight

640
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 5: at night because Drew Dober and Kyle Preppolek were there

641
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 5: and missed a lot of blood. But what did you

642
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 5: make of the bandam weights Am and Za Hobby? Marlon

643
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 5: cheedovera bringing it for the fans and your former teammates.

644
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 5: A Hobby extends is winning streak.

645
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, the Bendawaite division showed why they have so much

646
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 8: talent and so many exciting fighters in that division.

647
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 7: And I thought they brought it. Man. Both guys fought

648
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 7: extremely well.

649
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 8: I thought that was one of the best performances that

650
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 8: I've seen from Cheeto Vera. He got off to a

651
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 8: good start, but I don't think it was enough. And

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Speaker 8: you know, obviously I'm very close with amans A Hobby.

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Speaker 8: I watched it yes last night, and I went back

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Speaker 7: So I went back and watched it today. I was like,

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Speaker 8: Let me go turn the volume off, let me watch

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Speaker 7: And I thought amins A Hobby did enough.

661
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Speaker 8: I thought it was a brilliant management of time in

662
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Speaker 8: round one and how he got aggressive at the right

663
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Speaker 8: times and it made it look like he was putting

664
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Speaker 8: a little bit more damage on Cheeto, and he did

665
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Speaker 8: it later in the round. It seemed like he was

666
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Speaker 8: bringing way more energy and he had Cheetoh on the defensive.

667
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Speaker 8: So for me, I had him winning round one. Round two,

668
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Speaker 8: I'd give the Cheeto Vera. In round three I thought

669
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Speaker 8: was pretty clear for Aim and so yeah, yeah, it

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Speaker 8: was an awesome fight. Man, Both guys had their chances.

671
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Speaker 8: It was so close. You got to feel for Cheeto.

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Speaker 8: But of course Aiman he's my boy, and that's a

673
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Speaker 8: seventh win in a row.

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Speaker 7: Man, just unbelievable.

675
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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I know you and Cheeto go way back

676
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677
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Speaker 5: you on the Cheeto side. But it seems like for

678
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Speaker 5: now wins five, six and seven of this amin's a

679
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Speaker 5: Hobby winning streak. We've really been like, man, you know, man,

680
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681
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Speaker 5: and he's not a kid. Yeah, and it looks like

682
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Speaker 5: he might get a fight against Sean O'Malley. Now, there's

683
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Speaker 5: a lot too unpacked there, right, Because us again, if

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Speaker 5: we're making Sean O'Malley versus Corey Sanhagen with respect to

688
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Speaker 6: Are we not making that fight?

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Speaker 5: Cory Sanaey, we're not gonna make that fight. Of course,

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Speaker 7: I think that would be the fight to make.

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Speaker 8: I mean, everyone's been talking about it just based on

695
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696
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Speaker 7: I think that would deliver for sure.

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Speaker 5: So back to the betting line, right, Corey Sanhagen would

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Speaker 5: Za Hobby. Do you think that's fair to say?

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Speaker 7: I think that's probably fair to say, yes.

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Speaker 5: So it's interesting, right, and it certainly Sean O'Malley is

703
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705
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Speaker 6: Yes, it does make sense.

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Speaker 5: Right, And I know Amen's your guy, and I know

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I love it. I like it a lot. I

721
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Speaker 8: I think that would be good for Amen, would be

723
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724
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Speaker 5: Yeah, that one really jumps off the page for me.

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Speaker 5: Aman's a hobby versus Davison Figuretto. But Shan O'Malley is

730
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731
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732
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733
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736
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738
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739
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Speaker 5: and Aman's a hobby. I'm not gonna answer that question.

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742
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743
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744
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745
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Speaker 5: most winnable of those three fights? And perhaps that's why

746
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Speaker 8: I don't know, you know, yeah, no, absolutely, And I

748
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755
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756
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Speaker 5: got one before before I did.

865
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

866
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 5: So, uh, ray, it's good to see your hair looks

867
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 5: particularly disheveled on a Sunday morning when did we get

868
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 5: out of bed?

869
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 3: There? Yeah, two seconds ago, my hands out of control? Yeah,

870
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: how about a second?

871
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 5: There we go, yeah, we go. So there are a

872
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 5: lot of things that we'd like to get into with you,

873
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 5: but of course we begin on a somber note. Duke

874
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 5: rufus Man passes away unexpectedly at fifty five years of age.

875
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,800
Speaker 5: And you know, we all have so many fond memories

876
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 5: of this guy. And i'd imagine you and Duke had

877
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 5: a lot of conversations over the years.

878
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I tell you, I go back. I was.

879
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 3: I had to think about it because I sent Kenny

880
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: a text, But I think I know that guy thirty

881
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: over thirty years, thirty one years. I think it was

882
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 3: like ninety three ninety four. I had my first kickboxing champ,

883
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 3: Mike Ryan was asked to go down to Georgia to

884
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: the Daugville Boxing clubs holy Field, though I think one

885
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: is Olympic medal out of that boxing gym and Georgia.

886
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: As far his brother Rick's, I mean Duke's brother Rick,

887
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 3: who was a phenomenal maybe if not the best kickboxer ever, right, Kenny,

888
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean above above the waist. Now we're not talking

889
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 3: glory rules but above.

890
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 7: The waist ye at the time, yep, absolutely.

891
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 3: I think they paid him like two grand to go

892
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 3: down and SPA for a week, which was actually you

893
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 3: big money back then. So we went down and the

894
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 3: sparring was fantastic. You know, Ryan and Rick built up

895
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 3: a nice friendship. I think after that. I think that

896
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 3: was for when Rick was fighting John Eves Terrio, who

897
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 3: was another killer. He might have been the best kickboxer.

898
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: I mean back then it was. I'm sure he's still

899
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 3: a legend. And in Canada, and that's where I met

900
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 3: A Duke the other two sparring partners with Duke and

901
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: this guy Hollywood Hayes, and Duke was just the personal

902
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 3: guy right off the bat. You know, we had a

903
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:04,879
Speaker 3: belly pad that I said, man, I got to buy

904
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: that from. You know, this is at a time there's

905
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 3: no internet, there's nothing, so he was I think he

906
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 3: had maybe had fought in Japan, but he had had

907
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 3: a belly pad, Kenny that was you could move with it,

908
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 3: you know, gave you a little protection, but it wasn't bulky. Yes,

909
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: and I want to buy from and he gave it

910
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: to me. So I'll never forget that. And Uh, I've

911
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 3: been friends with him ever since and then you know,

912
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 3: I think I got into the UFC probably first, and

913
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: then we reconnected when he started taking fighters to the UFC,

914
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: and he was always hospitable. We had definitely fought once

915
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 3: or twice in Milwaukee and always opened up his school tours.

916
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 3: Ya one of the good guys. Man, always good seeing him.

917
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: Seemed like he had a beautiful wife and just may're

918
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 3: way too young at fifty five, man, I did we could?

919
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean, look to me, it's it gets scary. You know,

920
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: the older you get you start hearing this shit. It

921
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 3: doesn't pure Definitely, this news affects me differently now than

922
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 3: if it was thirty, you know, like even thirty years ago.

923
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's hard not to think about your

924
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 5: own mortality. And if you don't know, the legendary kickboxer

925
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 5: and trainer Duke Rufus passed away unexpectedly peacefully in his

926
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 5: sleep at fifty five years of age. And we talked

927
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 5: about Paul Felder off the top of the show, and

928
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 5: he just texted me, happened to stumble across our video

929
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 5: today and you know for him to the show must

930
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 5: go on. But have to power through that broadcast right

931
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 5: as his primary chief corner, his whole career just passes

932
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: away and have to find the words on a telecast

933
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 5: and then get back to calling you know, this mortal combat.

934
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 5: I just really have a lot of respect for my

935
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 5: colleague and for all these fighters. You can just see

936
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 5: how the profound, you know, the impact he had on them,

937
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 5: you know.

938
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, And any time it's unexpected like that, it's it's

939
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 3: kind of worse because you don't have time to prepare,

940
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 3: like if some but he has an illness and then

941
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 3: starts off bed, but he's somehow you you know, human nature,

942
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 3: you just get yeah, you know, you get pardoned by it,

943
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 3: I guess. But when it's unexpected like that, and the

944
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: guy was, I mean fifty five, you know I was

945
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 3: sitting without you. I go out you. I don't even

946
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 3: think you knew me at fifty five. You know that's

947
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 3: how right crazy was you know what I mean? So, yeah,

948
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 3: that's a young that's just too young man.

949
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, he made an amazing impact, and of course

950
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 5: we dedicate the entire show to UH to Do group.

951
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 5: It's it's just crazy. When I think about the Anak

952
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: and Florine Podcast Awards and we name these awards after

953
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 5: people who pass away, and it's like we're running out

954
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 5: of awards with Anthony Rumble Johnson and our former colleague

955
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 5: Adam Snacks Gueller and Derek Thompson and you know, trying

956
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 5: to figure out how to acknowledge Tom's your BASSI and

957
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 5: Robert Fallis and now do It's just I don't know,

958
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 5: It's just fels like it's been a particularly heavy stretch

959
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 5: for the MMA community. But I said to Kenny Ray

960
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 5: real quick off the top of the show, like you

961
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 5: don't bet against Rufe of Sport Fighters in that main

962
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 5: event last night after what happened, you know what I mean? Like,

963
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 5: I just thought Brendan Allen, you know, I wanted to

964
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 5: see that yellow and black Team Ruf of Sport banner

965
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 5: waving in the fucking air, even though he is trained

966
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 5: in Chicago. Now, I just thought it was tremendously fitting that,

967
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 5: you know, two days after Duke passes, you have a

968
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 5: Roof of Sport fighter as a decided underdog win the

969
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 5: main event. I thought that was an.

970
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, And I didn't even know Brendan Allen was

971
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 3: with Duke.

972
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean not as extensively as some of the

973
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 6: other guys.

974
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, oh wow, yeah, what a great

975
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 3: fight by Brendan all Not to switch gears. I don't

976
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 3: want to get off.

977
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:46,399
Speaker 7: A duke, but what a yeah.

978
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 5: Well no, I mean it's a natural transition. You know,

979
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,839
Speaker 5: there's a lot to get into there. What'd you make

980
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 5: of the main event?

981
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 3: Raymond Man unbelievable man, he made that. You know, listen,

982
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: the Riddle was on a he was. He had momentum

983
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,919
Speaker 3: beat some really good guys that was starting to look

984
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: you know, almost supernatural in a way. Like I didn't

985
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 3: expect him to do that. He was another guy like Dricis.

986
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: I just didn't see how how good he was. But

987
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 3: this guy made it look easy. Man, it was. That

988
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: was a beautiful performance by Brendan Allen seemed to be

989
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 3: glad to see him get back on track. Yeah. No,

990
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: I was confused with the corners because I think the

991
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: last time I saw him he was with Robbie Lawla,

992
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,439
Speaker 3: and then Robbie was in the Riddle's corner. I didn't

993
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: know what's that.

994
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 5: So Allan and again credit to badass Brendan Allen, right,

995
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 5: he refused to train or help Ryan Hear to Ridder

996
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 5: when they crossed each other's wake at Kilcliff FC because

997
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 5: he thought they might fight.

998
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

999
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 5: Wow, Well no to Brendan Allen, once again not caring

1000
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 5: about what people think and realizing success because of it.

1001
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, Like, there are a lot

1002
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 5: of people that would oh, you know, mixed martial arts

1003
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 5: is so respectful. You know, of course already are. And

1004
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 5: if we fight, you know that bridge when we come

1005
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 5: to it, he's like no, and like and.

1006
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:06,799
Speaker 3: John, that's old fucking bullshit. I think, Yeah, that's why listen,

1007
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 3: I have this conversation with these I hate those big

1008
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 3: gyms because of that. I mean, I just it's just

1009
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: a matter of time till I don't know. I just

1010
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 3: never coached like that, so I can't. I almost can't

1011
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: even relate to it. And I wouldn't want to relate

1012
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: to it.

1013
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 5: So would it have been better for Rhinier Deridter for

1014
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 5: sort of like perception and style points. I'm asking this

1015
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 5: of both of you to say this corner, No, No,

1016
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 5: I'm fine, just go out there for the fifth round

1017
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 5: and then get tkot or heaven forbid concuss right, Because

1018
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 5: when people get removed from this result and by the

1019
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 5: way Big Tom Aspinall's fighting this weekend. I don't think

1020
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 5: that people are going to be remembering this long term.

1021
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 5: When it comes to Rhinier Deridter. You take the criticism,

1022
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 5: You live to fight another day. I mean, I can

1023
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 5: understand why all of the top midleweight contenders are using

1024
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 5: this as an opportunity to criticize him, But like, what

1025
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 5: would you have done in the corner and how did

1026
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 5: you sort of a say that fight ending situation?

1027
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 7: Right?

1028
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 3: I mean, look, you have to know your fighter. You

1029
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: have to know you know, That's why I said, that's

1030
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 3: why you Unfortunately, you need those hard sparring days so

1031
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 3: you know what the guy's made of, and you know

1032
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 3: he might have been there once before. I'll give you

1033
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 3: a perfect example. NAS's fight and Baku, what a fucking

1034
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: great fight. Probably still holds up the fight a year,

1035
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 3: Probably will be fire a year. But like when Nas

1036
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 3: was covering against occasion, he started sinking down lower and low,

1037
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,800
Speaker 3: like I've seen him do that sparingly. Yeah, yeah, we

1038
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: made a joke of it. So like you know, when

1039
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: you've been around long enough, you know your tendencies of

1040
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 3: your fighters. I don't, I don't even know why that

1041
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:44,319
Speaker 3: guy stopped. But again, wait a minute, And I didn't

1042
00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 3: watch the fights properly, really, I was I was promoting

1043
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 3: a fight on Long Island with Lou Neglier. I was

1044
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: trying to watch on my phone, and when I got

1045
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 3: home it was late. I tried to rewatch, but I

1046
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 3: have no idea why he didn't get off the stool.

1047
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 6: Kenny. Some fan wrote to me, like.

1048
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 5: In so many words, like, yeah, I'm glad that the

1049
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 5: corner got involved, so we didn't have like a heart attack, right,

1050
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,080
Speaker 5: Like he didn't get off the stool because he felt

1051
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 5: like he might die of exhaustion.

1052
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 6: No, like he had left at a round.

1053
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 7: Three, right, right, Yeah, I think that's what it was.

1054
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 7: Ray Is.

1055
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 8: I think he knew he had nothing left to give,

1056
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 8: and you know, in that situation, I couldn't agree more.

1057
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 8: It's like, you have to know your fighter, and yeah,

1058
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 8: and the flow of the fight was trending now since

1059
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 8: the end of round two. He was getting beat up

1060
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 8: from round two, round three, round four. And if if

1061
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 8: you think that result is not going to change, in fact,

1062
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 8: it's probably going to get worse in round five, then

1063
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 8: I think you know, and you know your fighter.

1064
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 7: It's like, yeah, I'm gonna stop the fight now.

1065
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

1066
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 7: This isn't gonna change.

1067
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 8: All you gonna do is get pounded for five minutes

1068
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 8: and it's you know, if you're lucky, you're getting knocked out.

1069
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 3: You know.

1070
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 6: Again, I'd rather extend the fighter's career than you know,

1071
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 6: I don't know what are your.

1072
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: Thoughts, no, at that at that point, yeah, I agree

1073
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: with you. I just it didn't look like it was

1074
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 3: that bit of a beating. That's why I was saying.

1075
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 3: But again, I was watching it, I was, I had

1076
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: a million things going on.

1077
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:21,840
Speaker 5: So it's just so interesting. And the Vince Lombardi quote

1078
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 5: about fatigue making cowards.

1079
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,280
Speaker 3: Of men, right, and that's definitely true.

1080
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 5: Well, and I think even non athletes like me who

1081
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 5: exercise five to six days a week can relate to,

1082
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 5: you know, mental toughness or not having it right. I mean,

1083
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 5: I am a world class pussy certain days in the gym,

1084
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 5: you know, and my mental game is sickeningly weak at times,

1085
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 5: you know.

1086
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's the fear.

1087
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 8: I mean, when I was fighting, that was one of

1088
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 8: my biggest fears, was getting too tired to be able

1089
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 8: to continue. And I'm just like man, I got I

1090
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 8: have to suffer as much as possible in training so

1091
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 8: that doesn't happen because we've all experienced in training, Like

1092
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 8: You're like, I don't want to feel that in a

1093
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 8: fight when you get a killer in front of you

1094
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 8: who's trying to take your head off, and you know

1095
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 8: this has something. This has been something that's plagued right

1096
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,480
Speaker 8: near to ritter and uh came back to rear its

1097
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 8: ugly head.

1098
00:53:18,520 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 3: Oh this was a he does have problems with that,

1099
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:23,320
Speaker 3: with conditioning, it seems.

1100
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1101
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, then one stopping the fight.

1102
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah. So there are a few things I'd

1103
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 5: like to get to with Ray and the nature of time,

1104
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 5: and then we will get some thoughts from you on

1105
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 5: Tom aspinall Steele God and uh being a Jangi Doba

1106
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 5: and Mackenzie Dern. But your guy, Matt Rivola was involved

1107
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 5: in a fight with Kyle Nelson to kick off the

1108
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,919
Speaker 5: main card. It was a unanimous decision win for Kyle

1109
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 5: the Monster Nelson, but uh forgettable moment there at the

1110
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 5: end of round one for the Big Tan Dan murgle Otto.

1111
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 5: They told me I couldn't call him the Big on

1112
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 5: the broadcast any more. That's why you don't hear me

1113
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 5: say it, but uh so, you know I hear ringing

1114
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 5: in my ears too. I'm forty seven years of age.

1115
00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 5: But I guess the big tan Ken flow and Ray

1116
00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 5: Kenny will start with you.

1117
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 6: He heard a horn, right, he read a fucking branch on,

1118
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 6: and uh there's no horns. So Kyle Nelson loses a.

1119
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,080
Speaker 3: What this is when you're at your best?

1120
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 8: So yeah, this was this was a very confusing thing

1121
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 8: for me to witness. I think I didn't know what

1122
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 8: the heck was going on. And you know, it was

1123
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 8: tough because it was at a moment when Matt of

1124
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 8: course was hurt. He was hurt pretty bad, and I

1125
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 8: would have had no problem with the stoppage if I'm

1126
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,799
Speaker 8: being honest. But so Dan saw that Matt was hurt

1127
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 8: it looked like and he stepped in. But he stepped

1128
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 8: in three seconds too early. There was still three seconds

1129
00:54:57,560 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 8: left in the round. And this is that that was

1130
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 8: a big, big mistake, man. And I don't know, I mean,

1131
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 8: what what recorid? I mean it ended up that Calin

1132
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 8: Nelson ended up winning, but uh yeah, just a crazy situation.

1133
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:12,319
Speaker 3: Man.

1134
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 7: I don't even know what to say on this. And

1135
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 7: it was just a bad mistake from Big Dan.

1136
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 3: You know what, you know, it's funny, Kenny. So I'm

1137
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 3: I'm in the basement of a building. I can't get

1138
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 3: the fight, so I go running upstairs and somebody has

1139
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 3: it on the front. So I'm sitting like in the audience,

1140
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 3: no volume, watching it, and I don't know what happened.

1141
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: I go, oh shit, I thought they stopped the fight,

1142
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 3: and I go, oh god, I guess it was the

1143
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 3: end of the round. I got no volume on nothing,

1144
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:41,239
Speaker 3: all right, no idea, So I just go in to

1145
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 3: the next try. I go, no, they didn't. I tell

1146
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 3: the person they didn't stop it. It was the end

1147
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 3: of the round, like I have, I'm not even really

1148
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,759
Speaker 3: like engaged. And then later somebody tells me about the

1149
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 3: whole thing, and I go, it was a little weird.

1150
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,680
Speaker 3: I didn't know what was going on, and so I

1151
00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: gotta I gotta go back and really look at them.

1152
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: But I do remember sitting there going it's over. Oh,

1153
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 3: like I was so bummed. Yeah, and then it wasn't over.

1154
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 3: I go, no, no, it was the end of the round.

1155
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: But I hadn't seen the three second thing on the clock.

1156
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 3: I wasn't listening to the commentary. So to me, it

1157
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: was even it wasn't that weird.

1158
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 7: It was a fight, I thought it was.

1159
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 3: I thought, look, I thought it was a really fair scrap.

1160
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 3: I thought it was uh, you know, I thought, madd

1161
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 3: he did good. He did get caught at the end

1162
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 3: of that first round, and I thought he was doing

1163
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 3: great in that round, throwing a couple of variety of techniques.

1164
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 3: He was, you know, a little more thoughtful, I thought

1165
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 3: in the shot selection. But he reverts back to, you know,

1166
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:45,319
Speaker 3: getting a little crazy. But uh, but yeah, and then

1167
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 3: when that happened, I didn't know. I literally did not

1168
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: know what the hell was going on?

1169
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 5: Can I reach you guys? A tweet from Ariel Hawani

1170
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 5: because I agree with this in totality. If Dan actually

1171
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 5: thought he heard the horn, tough luck, you stop the fight,

1172
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 5: it should be over. And by the way, it wasn't

1173
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 5: even a bad stoppage. That fight should have been over,

1174
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 5: and instead went two more full rounds. Insane. And then

1175
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 5: he goes on to say this is now happening every

1176
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 5: week and often with the veterans. The lack of talent

1177
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 5: and accountability in MMA officiating is so poor it hasn't

1178
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,400
Speaker 5: evolved nor improved in twenty years. And the word I

1179
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 5: extract from that, Kenny, and I'd love to get your

1180
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 5: thoughts on this is talent, right, Like in all other

1181
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:27,400
Speaker 5: walks of life, there's emerging talent, and certainly, you know

1182
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 5: Vtur Hibero has emerged as a talented referee. We've seen

1183
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 5: you know, other people Frank Trigg try to take that

1184
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 5: requisite next step, Kenny. But you know, like I know

1185
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 5: that it seems like this is a direct criticism from

1186
00:57:41,720 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 5: the journalist of Dan Murgliatta, right, but like I do

1187
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 5: believe that we need to get better, especially at the

1188
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:49,200
Speaker 5: highest levels of officiating.

1189
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:50,959
Speaker 7: We need to get better for sure.

1190
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 8: You know, Sean Sheen made a great point to how

1191
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 8: you know officiating is a problem throughout professional sports.

1192
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 7: You know that there is no perfect you know, ref

1193
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 7: out there. However it seems like it's a little bit

1194
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 7: more common in MMA.

1195
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 8: And also it's like there's kind of like a handful

1196
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 8: of guys that keep doing the same shows. Are they

1197
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 8: doing too much volume? Do we not have enough talent?

1198
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 8: I don't know, you know it It is certainly a

1199
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 8: kind of a thankless job, right, And I don't think

1200
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 8: there's like a ton of people waiting in line to

1201
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 8: be an MMA ref because it is difficult, but we

1202
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 8: need to be better about it.

1203
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 7: And I just don't know why there's no accountability.

1204
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 8: It's like some of these referees will make mistakes and

1205
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 8: nothing happens, Like I don't know, maybe they're you know,

1206
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 8: someone talks to them or whatever, but like, is there

1207
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 8: any you know, dock in their pay or is there like, like,

1208
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 8: what what stops someone from repeatedly making mistakes over and

1209
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 8: over and over again. Because if a fighter makes a mistake,

1210
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:52,439
Speaker 8: they certainly get get penalized, right, but if a ref

1211
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 8: does it, it's.

1212
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 6: Kind of like, ah, you know, well it's not perfect

1213
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 6: at which move on.

1214
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 7: But I don't know, I think there should be. But

1215
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 7: talk to me, John, what are you saying it?

1216
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 3: But like, look, it's the only profession. First off, asked

1217
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: you know, you got to ask the commission? Is that question?

1218
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: You know what? I mean that the word salad you'll

1219
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 3: get will probably be pretty bad. But well, it's the

1220
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: only profession. I think. I swear to God, I think

1221
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 3: you have to kill somebody to lose your job. I mean,

1222
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 3: there's just like John, you said, there's just no accountability

1223
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: and when there's no accountability, nothing good ever happens in life. Yeah,

1224
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 3: you have to be accountable. If you're not, you have

1225
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 3: to pay the consequences. It's it's so big. Look, you know,

1226
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 3: I've been honking this horn for you here, so I'm

1227
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: not I'm not doing it this morning, but it's so.

1228
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 5: There are two things in Ariel's tweet that I read right.

1229
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 5: Two words that are in quotation marks talent, which is

1230
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 5: one conversation. And maybe there needs to be monetary incentive

1231
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 5: to get more people in the pipeline. But then the

1232
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 5: account of ability, right. I can tell you guys that

1233
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 5: within the last twelve months a high profile referee uh

1234
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:14,160
Speaker 5: was punished, so to speak, But the masses wouldn't necessarily know,

1235
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 5: you know, it might be something as simple as like,

1236
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 5: hey man, we're gonna give you the next show off.

1237
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 5: So there is some accountability in terms of maybe giving

1238
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 5: a referee an opportunity to sort of take a pause

1239
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 5: because of maybe a wayward decision in fight. But I

1240
01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 5: think the bigger issue is trying to to get talented

1241
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 5: people there in the nature of time.

1242
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,000
Speaker 6: I wouldn't mind moving on unless you got some else, Raymond,

1243
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 6: go ahead.

1244
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I made a week off. That's that's really fucking hard.

1245
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 3: That'll teach him. That'll get him, Kenny, You know what,

1246
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 3: take the next show off. I'll see you in Vegas

1247
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 3: on vacation. Yeah right, yeah, say a couple of fathers.

1248
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 3: So that is fair.

1249
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,040
Speaker 5: That is fair. Hey, uh what you make of that

1250
01:00:59,240 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 5: groin striking the Mike Meloche Kevin Holland fight Ray and

1251
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 5: how it affected things? I know you're watching on your phone.

1252
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:06,760
Speaker 3: But no, that's the well that that I got home

1253
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 3: and when I put him like the list two fights. Uh, man,

1254
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: those groin shots are getting bad. That's the second one

1255
01:01:14,080 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 3: where he just shouldn't have continued. He really shouldn't have

1256
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:21,520
Speaker 3: continued that fight. It looked like I don't know for

1257
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 3: some reason, who was the last guy was within like

1258
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 3: a month ago, somebody got kicked and they couldn't the

1259
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: fight was over? Who was Who was that? John? You're

1260
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: good with that stuff?

1261
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, sometimes I am, but not scorning. I had gin

1262
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 5: last night. I have no idea.

1263
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 6: Maybe Cody can jog his memory, but anyway, yeah, I mean.

1264
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: I love the ref though you got twenty seconds, but

1265
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 3: take your time let me. I mean, that guy was

1266
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 3: in pain and Oh my, he likes to fight. That

1267
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: that was that was brutal, that that was hard to

1268
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: look at. Men.

1269
01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I said earlier, like, even if you're a

1270
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 5: woman or somebody out there who doesn't have male genitalia,

1271
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 5: you can think, yeah, I bet that hanging thing getting

1272
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 5: fucking kicked with everything that goes into that anatomy probably

1273
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 5: doesn't feel good and potentially could kill you, you know. Yeah, Oh,

1274
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 5: any thoughts, boys, I'm an all fiorro ken flow. Yeah,

1275
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 5: just fucking dropped a fioro. But yeah, she's back in

1276
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 5: a big way and uh, tough one for uh for

1277
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:23,280
Speaker 5: jazz Hands, Huh.

1278
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 8: Yeah, fuorl looked great, man, She landed a perfect shot

1279
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 8: at the right time. I would say, well, maybe she

1280
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 8: didn't look great. I'll say this, she looked like she

1281
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 8: was a little cunshy to start that fight, but ultimately

1282
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 8: landed that shot and then she kind of came alive,

1283
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 8: saw that Jazz Hands was hurt, and uh, you know

1284
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:42,440
Speaker 8: got the finish.

1285
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 7: You know, that killer instinct kicked in and she looked good, man.

1286
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 8: But she looked she looked bigger. It looked like she

1287
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 8: put on some muscle. She looked like she was in

1288
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,320
Speaker 8: great shape, but she did look a little hesitant.

1289
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:52,640
Speaker 7: To start that fight.

1290
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 8: I'd assume maybe that's from coming off the Valentina fight,

1291
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 8: but uh yeah, I think she puts herself right back

1292
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:01,440
Speaker 8: into the driver's seat for a potential title shot because

1293
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 8: you know, uh, Jazz divisiist was was really on a

1294
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 8: great wind streak.

1295
01:03:06,280 --> 01:03:07,320
Speaker 7: She was looking really good.

1296
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 8: Caught her really bad, caught her, you know, stepping in

1297
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 8: potholes there and ended up finished.

1298
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Jazz was she really was on a

1299
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 3: great role and looking great, and uh me, she just

1300
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 3: got hit on the button man and uh see, you

1301
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 3: don't even see women do that a lot, you know.

1302
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 3: So that other kid hits hard and Jazz I think

1303
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 3: she's a tough kid. That kid too, So yep, hats

1304
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 3: off to Uh.

1305
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,160
Speaker 5: So I was doing Canelo versus Crawford, So maybe that's

1306
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 5: a good enough excuse, But I guess said no ch UFC.

1307
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 5: The night upon which Diego Lopez knocked out John Silva,

1308
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,920
Speaker 5: Zachary Reese and said Drake with s Dumas ended in

1309
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 5: a no contest due to an accidental growing strike fifty

1310
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 5: one seconds in. Is that the one you're referencing grahamon that.

1311
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 3: Was probably the guy couldn't continue.

1312
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, guy, Okay, normally we.

1313
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 3: See everybody continue, but these in the list, you know,

1314
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 3: recently two guys that one guy didn't continue and I'm

1315
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: saying Holland, they asked, I mean the the officiating and

1316
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 3: that was off too, yes or no, the fight's over.

1317
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 3: Another ref is called in that fight. Yeah, you know,

1318
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 3: that was another thirty seconds and I and I think

1319
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 3: at that point, Holland's going, I should have just not

1320
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 3: for it. Now I have to fight. I can't even

1321
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: take you know whatever the DQ. Yeah, it's a horrible

1322
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 3: he was in a horrible spot and he he looked

1323
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 3: like he was in when you can't walk like that,

1324
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:37,479
Speaker 3: And yeah, that was that was hard to watch.

1325
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 8: We need steel tie cups as the standard official equipment

1326
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 8: of the UFC, Like, I don't know, that's.

1327
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 3: What everybody's been saying that for years though.

1328
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, okay, no, I know I know that my

1329
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 8: balls can get crushed, but you know what, I'm just

1330
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 8: gonna I'm gonna wear this plastic cup because.

1331
01:04:57,240 --> 01:04:59,640
Speaker 3: Kenny, it's even worse. In the gym. I'll see a

1332
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 3: guy get kicking the bulls to go. You have your

1333
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 3: cup on now.

1334
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, yeah, and I think we got to

1335
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,120
Speaker 5: get me lot out of Canada, right, I mean people

1336
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:15,520
Speaker 5: are gonna think that's crazy. Right, I'm gonna get killed today, right, blasphemous. No,

1337
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:18,120
Speaker 5: it's amazing obviously when you have a guy go home.

1338
01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 5: But it's like seven fights in a row now, It's

1339
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 5: like it's been my dream since I'm twelve to do

1340
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 5: this in front of you people.

1341
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 3: You know that was Kenny's nickname for Mike kicking the

1342
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 3: bulls a lot.

1343
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 7: Yeah. I love getting my taxes taken from me in Canada.

1344
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 7: This is great.

1345
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, see how Mike mallot, Let's take this guy to America.

1346
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 5: Rematch with Kevin Holland in America, right on American soil,

1347
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 5: the hostel American fight waters. All right, Ray, before we

1348
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 5: let you go, what do you got going on the

1349
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 5: rest of Sunday? I mean, obviously you're gonna work out

1350
01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 5: any NFL football in your future. No, definitely, not right,

1351
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,439
Speaker 5: It's only the greatest thing on TV.

1352
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: If football is getting worse, they put on Who's the

1353
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 3: halftime show for the Super Bowl?

1354
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 5: They got bad, Bunny, you're talking to me about halftime

1355
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 5: shows in February. It's October.

1356
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: They're just doubling down on fucking stupidity. The whole fucking NFL.

1357
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: Go fuck themselves. Really, I got it. I sweety good.

1358
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 3: If people will like well, like me, they'd make changes

1359
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 3: because nobody be in the stands and that's the only

1360
01:06:26,080 --> 01:06:27,440
Speaker 3: thing that's going to change it, man.

1361
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 5: So what's interesting is the NFL is now expanding internationally

1362
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 5: and a lot of their initiatives are rooted in getting

1363
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,080
Speaker 5: to London. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a franchise

1364
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 5: in sal Polo in the next ten years, right because

1365
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 5: they have this country so goddamn lockdown. Right, Like Ray,

1366
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 5: you are so in the minority when it comes to

1367
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 5: the American mail. Like and I know Kenny is a

1368
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 5: New England Patriots fan, but not as rabbit an NFL

1369
01:06:52,080 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 5: fan necessarily as I am, but he tracks the Carolina

1370
01:06:54,160 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 5: Panthers or whatever else. Right, Like, we are one hour

1371
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 5: out from a regular season NFL Sunday, and I'm like

1372
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 5: jumping out of my skin with excitement, and then it

1373
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 5: all will go to ship by one thirty pm Eastern

1374
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 5: and I'll have lost all my money.

1375
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:08,880
Speaker 3: But right now, John, I understand it because I used

1376
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 3: to be like that. I mean it really was. I

1377
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 3: loved football, but I just can't get behind it. And

1378
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 3: now I'm sorry.

1379
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 5: Right, I understand for political reasons, so.

1380
01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 3: Just for for being a human being reason right?

1381
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 5: All right? All right? So if we are sitting here

1382
01:07:26,680 --> 01:07:30,160
Speaker 5: next Monday and talking about seedle Gone finally is the

1383
01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 5: undisputed UFC heavyweight champion, how will he have gotten that done?

1384
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 5: Raymond against the heavily favored Tom Aspinall.

1385
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of slipping and sliding and a lot

1386
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 3: of moving. He better be up on his stock. I'll

1387
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 3: tell you what though. I mean, I'm excited for that fight.

1388
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:54,240
Speaker 5: So I don't know if it's our producer, Cody or

1389
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 5: somebody else who thinks this is going to be like

1390
01:07:56,600 --> 01:07:59,240
Speaker 5: a ninety second fight and Aspinall is just going to

1391
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 5: go out there and Gillett Foamy fucking lather the guy. Uh,

1392
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,080
Speaker 5: what do you think I think we're getting a quick fight.

1393
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:06,240
Speaker 5: Do you think we're gonna settle in?

1394
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:09,120
Speaker 3: Well? I think we might settle in on this fight

1395
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 3: depends on which which route Aspinall wants to take. But

1396
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 3: standing up, boys, I mean, the other guy did navigate

1397
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 3: the waters with Inghanu who hit like a freight train

1398
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,000
Speaker 3: and was you know, yeah, you know, had legendary momentum

1399
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 3: behind him. So I think standing up boys, he could

1400
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,839
Speaker 3: do five if I mean, if the other guy decides

1401
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,519
Speaker 3: to put it where he's got the most advantages in

1402
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 3: that fight, will Bill quick just like the Jones fight.

1403
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 6: Was all right before I let you go.

1404
01:08:38,320 --> 01:08:42,960
Speaker 5: Since we last convened, Morob Dwallash, Willie has accepted a

1405
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 5: fourth title fight this year. Now, you have done everything

1406
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:50,680
Speaker 5: in mixed martial arts, right, I mean, your case as

1407
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 5: a Hall of Famer in the UFC's Contributors Wing is

1408
01:08:53,479 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 5: on question. I'm not sure there's anything else really for

1409
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 5: you to accomplish as coach. But this is something that

1410
01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 5: you have never done, that no athlete has ever even attempted.

1411
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:07,360
Speaker 5: And yet it seems like just another day at the

1412
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 5: office for the Georgian champion.

1413
01:09:09,560 --> 01:09:12,760
Speaker 3: I really don't know what to make of this guy. Man,

1414
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 3: he's not even like I don't think he's close to

1415
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 3: stop it. This is unprecedented and I don't even know

1416
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 3: what to say. Now he's he he blows me away.

1417
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 3: This guy just what is just this whole attitude And

1418
01:09:31,280 --> 01:09:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't know man, this is this is guy just

1419
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 3: sort of got two weeks ago at a wedding. He's

1420
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,759
Speaker 3: fighting in like what five weeks, six weeks?

1421
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 8: How long can he keep this up, right, because at

1422
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:44,799
Speaker 8: a certain point, right this is gonna be diminishing returns.

1423
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 7: It's like, you can't he's still human at the end

1424
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 7: of the day. How long can he do this? Like

1425
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:50,760
Speaker 7: four fights in a year?

1426
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he looks pretty good right now, so it

1427
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 3: doesn't I mean, he's not slowing down. We don't see

1428
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:59,880
Speaker 3: any signs of slowing down unless back in this f

1429
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: up is going to take something out of him, which

1430
01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it will because he's always in the

1431
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 3: gym and he's always ready to go, and especially this fight,

1432
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,000
Speaker 3: I think he will be. He'll beat pde On worse

1433
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:12,519
Speaker 3: than the first time, if you if that's even possible

1434
01:10:12,640 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 3: to do, you know what I mean? But uh, man,

1435
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 3: I think just when you're you know, just the he

1436
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,599
Speaker 3: doesn't do pet doesn't do the colpa all the ship

1437
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,360
Speaker 3: that everybody's like, pt I do the cal go to

1438
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 3: the pi, I do the colpa. This guy is setting

1439
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:33,000
Speaker 3: the bar for people I love. I love because we

1440
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 3: always had a thing in the gym. When people want

1441
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,200
Speaker 3: to know something, they'll ask a certain fighter who they

1442
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 3: think is going to tell him what they want to Here,

1443
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:46,400
Speaker 3: nobody asked Morob because more sucking redmill. Let's go to

1444
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 3: the fucking hills. Let's do you know. They don't want

1445
01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 3: to hear that. They want to hear the easy way

1446
01:10:51,160 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 3: to the tower. Yeah, he's set in the bar at

1447
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,600
Speaker 3: good Luck, you know. But I love it. I love it,

1448
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 3: and I think he That's what a true fighter does,

1449
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: is what he's doing.

1450
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 6: It's the story of the year.

1451
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 5: He's the fighter of the year, almost regardless of what

1452
01:11:06,280 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 5: happens against pyotour Jan. And when you think about his

1453
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 5: long road to get to a title eliminator and now

1454
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 5: you think about gets to the title eliminator, makes himself

1455
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 5: undeniable for the title fight three times now, has defended it.

1456
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:22,360
Speaker 5: Right now, he's chasing George Saint Pierre and John Jones,

1457
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,439
Speaker 5: That's who he's fucking chasing, you know.

1458
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:28,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I don't and I don't see anybody in

1459
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 3: the future. I mean, Umar is probably the toughest fight

1460
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 3: I guess out there for him. I don't know. We'll

1461
01:11:34,240 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 3: see it. We'll see what happens with the Batista fight.

1462
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 6: But no, they got a hope like his creaty and

1463
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 6: gets tainted otherwise he's just.

1464
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 3: Listen. What makes me even more happy is that you

1465
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,519
Speaker 3: know he got the jacket for you know, testing what

1466
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: fifty times?

1467
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 5: What is that?

1468
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 3: I know Wideman had the jacket. I think al Joe's

1469
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 3: got the jacket now, So I'm happy about that. Tony,

1470
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 3: I told you whom he told me. They were testing

1471
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 3: that guy weekday.

1472
01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been tested more than any other athlete in

1473
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 5: twenty twenty five. They're testing him though, for for science.

1474
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:08,960
Speaker 5: I think more than if I saw him fight all

1475
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 5: those times that would be testing him. Hey, hey, enjoy

1476
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 5: your Sunday, Raymond. We appreciate you, buddy, huh.

1477
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 3: And enjoy your football game.

1478
01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 5: Thank you, buddy.

1479
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 3: Make sure you put your dress on when you're watch

1480
01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 3: it make the game more enjoyable.

1481
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 5: Well, hey, and thanks when people ask you about me

1482
01:12:25,240 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 5: on a podcast for all the kind words. You know,

1483
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,840
Speaker 5: you could say he's actually kind of a dick, but

1484
01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,120
Speaker 5: you know I appreciate the kind words. And now you're

1485
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:32,519
Speaker 5: telling me to go put a dress on, So.

1486
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 7: He's balancing it out.

1487
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 3: John, which podcast I'm talking about?

1488
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 5: I know you go on a lot of them. Cody,

1489
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 5: can you let this.

1490
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 3: Oh whoa, whoa. Oh. I wish you guys knew how

1491
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 3: completely out of my mind I was during the day.

1492
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:53,519
Speaker 3: Like I'll be honest with you, I barely remember last

1493
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 3: week on the podcast. Yeah, I was coming home for

1494
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:59,280
Speaker 3: like no sleep for twenty four hours. I was frazzled.

1495
01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 5: Well, you absolutely murdered your appearance today, So thank you

1496
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 5: for being here.

1497
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, right, take it easy, guys, Ray Kenny take

1498
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 3: care there.

1499
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 5: He is star the program the Ray Longo Minute every

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Speaker 5: week here on the Anak and Florian Podcast. And with

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Speaker 5: that we have arrived at some UFC three twenty one business.

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Speaker 5: Domina Cruz coming up in about twenty seven minutes. But

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Speaker 5: first our pronunciation of the week, brought to you by

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Speaker 5: Total Wireless, the official wireless provider of the UFC. Get

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Speaker 5: unlimited data that won't slow you down. This man is

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 5: an Egyptian Greco Roman wrestler. He fights Chris Barnett at heavyweight.

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Speaker 5: N Abu Dhabi missed two years though earlier in his

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01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:42,520
Speaker 5: career after testing positive for an androgen and anabolic steroid.

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Speaker 5: He then returned lost the unanimous decision to Mohammad Usman

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Speaker 5: earlier this year in Azerbaijan.

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Speaker 6: Nickname the Hammer ken Flow. What do you got?

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Speaker 7: Let's see Hamdi ab abdel wahab.

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Speaker 6: Cody, go ahead, did get it?

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Speaker 7: My name is Hamdi the Hammer abd Wi help.

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Speaker 3: My name is Hamdi the Hammer abdle hen.

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01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, close enough, but I hear handy and then hamdy,

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01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:13,960
Speaker 5: so I never know what way to go.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Oftentimes I'll feature names here in this segment that are

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Speaker 5: either challenging for me or I think we'll be challenging

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01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 5: on broadcast. I don't know if it's homdy or handy.

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Speaker 5: I think both will probably be accepted by Michael Laplant.

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Speaker 5: Next name for you, real quick ken flow? If we

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Speaker 5: could do one more pronunciation of the week before we

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Speaker 5: get to Petri. This is a flyweight out of Kazakhstan.

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Speaker 5: He fights Mitch Riposo at UFC three twenty one. Name

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Speaker 5: spelled A Z A T. Last name M A K

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01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 5: s U M. What do you have for us on

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Speaker 5: Azat ken Flow?

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Speaker 7: Let's see Azat maxum maxum.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you sound great. I don't know if

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01:14:54,200 --> 01:14:57,400
Speaker 6: that's accurate, Cody, please, My name.

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Speaker 10: Is Sazat Kazakh Maksum. My name is Azat Casa Maksum.

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Speaker 5: Max. Yes, thanks to our friends, are total wireless, Azat maxoom.

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Speaker 5: All right, time to make some predictions. UFC three twenty one,

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Speaker 5: Aspinall versus Gone Finally here first undisputed heavyweight title defense

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Speaker 5: for Titanic Tom Aspinall. It's a terrible nickname, Honey Badger,

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01:15:27,080 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 5: much better. Today's main event challenge is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings,

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Speaker 5: The crown is yours. Let us go three wide and

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Speaker 5: welcome on Brian Petree, the chief handicapper. Here on the

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Speaker 5: AnaCap Florian podcast. This man told me he's available on

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Speaker 5: any Sunday. I mean, how's that for commitment?

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01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,519
Speaker 10: How's that for Sunday? You know I love Sunday, Johnny,

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01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 10: I do nothing, got nothing going on. One o'clock. I

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01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 10: watched football. My Bengals already won stress free today. Baby,

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Speaker 10: I'm excited.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got that Bengals win on Thursday night. All right, guys,

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Speaker 5: five predictions today. We begin with the main card opener

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Speaker 5: in the light heavyweight division, A Mott Murzcana minus one

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01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:06,160
Speaker 5: eighteen taking on Alexander dar Rockets, who comes back minus

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01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 5: one oh two, Mrzakana fifteen and oh Brie overall five

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,760
Speaker 5: and Oero of the UFC hasn't fought a ranked guy

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01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 5: yet maybe Dustin Jacob.

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01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 6: He might have been ranked when they fought, but he

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01:16:17,520 --> 01:16:18,680
Speaker 6: is fighting before more.

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01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:21,920
Speaker 5: UFC tested Alexander Rockets this weekend, essentially a pick him

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Speaker 5: on DraftKings sports book.

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Speaker 6: Right now, BP, who do you love?

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Speaker 10: I could be eating my word Chamber. Murzakana might be

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01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:30,639
Speaker 10: like the weakest undefeated fighter I've ever seen, right, little recker,

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Speaker 10: in my opinion, give me Rockets. I think you know.

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01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,000
Speaker 10: Rockets is six y four, Murzakana five to ten. He

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Speaker 10: doesn't really like to wrestle. Two fights ago he won

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01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 10: for five on takedowns his uh he fights like once

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Speaker 10: a year. I think in twenty twenty two he fought twice.

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Speaker 10: Not super active. He explodes into his shots, which is good.

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 10: He could clip the taller Rockets. Don't see that happen

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01:16:48,960 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 10: Rockets his last two losses or against elite guys. I

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01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,800
Speaker 10: erased the Yom Belhovitz loss because of what actually happened

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01:16:54,840 --> 01:16:56,919
Speaker 10: to him in that fight. But you know, Yeeri Braska

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01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,800
Speaker 10: is the same high as m and collis the same

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01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,080
Speaker 10: high as m Rockets would the kicks with the height,

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Speaker 10: with the improved boxing, stellar taked on offense, and Rzakova

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Speaker 10: wants to take there. I liked in low number. I

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Speaker 10: like Rockets.

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Speaker 5: Nicely done, Brian Kenny. I'm not sure there are that

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01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,960
Speaker 5: many fighters that have more to gain than Rockets. This

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01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 5: weekend right sort of maligned, at least on paper with

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Speaker 5: the three successive losses. Had the training camp of a

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01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 5: lifetime going into the magamat Akalayav fight that was his

1582
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:25,400
Speaker 5: last appearance last October, and now he draws the undefeated

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01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:28,439
Speaker 5: Murza Khanov out of k Dojo Warrior tribe rock Keshtov

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01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,160
Speaker 5: there at Fairfield, New Jersey. What do you have here,

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01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,479
Speaker 5: Kenny at two hundred and five pounds, Yeah, this is

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01:17:34,520 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 5: a really interesting fight.

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Speaker 7: I like Mrza Khanov.

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Speaker 8: I like his style. I think that this guy throws

1589
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,519
Speaker 8: absolute bombs. I'm a little concerned with his pacing at times.

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Speaker 8: I think that, you know, he's going to be dangerous

1591
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Speaker 8: if he's able to get on the inside Rockets, you know,

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Speaker 8: I think that's that's where Rockets is going to be vulnerable.

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Speaker 8: I think on the outside, though, Rockis really can tune

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01:17:56,760 --> 01:17:58,920
Speaker 8: him up, especially if he gets those kicks going to

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Speaker 8: the body, you know, being the longer, stronger what looks

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01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 8: like to be the stronger guy as well. I think

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Speaker 8: that's where he's gonna have success. Am I sold on

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Speaker 8: Rockets at this point?

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Speaker 7: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure iump sold numbers of Khanoff either, but

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Speaker 8: I am leading the way of Murza Khanoff. I think

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Speaker 8: this is a guy that is sneaky fast and knows

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01:18:18,479 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 8: how to blitz, and when he lands shots, he hurts

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Speaker 8: people all right.

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Speaker 5: Next up in the heavyweight division, Jai Jilton Almeida minus

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01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,599
Speaker 5: one eighty should be fighting sealle Gone. Instead he fights

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Speaker 5: Alexander Volkov, who comes back plus one fifty Almeta Brye

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Speaker 5: eight and one in the UFC. Last time out he

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Speaker 5: stopped Sergey Spivak UFC three eleven. That was back in January,

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Speaker 5: and now he's about two to one against the credential

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Speaker 5: of Alexander Volkov. Who do you have here at heavyweight?

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Speaker 7: PP?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I know the jail man, you know, he he's

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Speaker 10: the next He's the next up at heavyweight. That's what

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Speaker 10: they want. But I don't get this number. Volkoff's a

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 10: fucking beast, dude. Volkoff is really sized up over the year.

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Speaker 10: He's been a problem getting to the ground, which used

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01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 10: to be very easy when he was a little skinny twink.

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Speaker 10: Now he's a full fledged heavyweight, big big boy six

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Speaker 10: seven six eight. Uh, and you're giving me plus money

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01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:11,599
Speaker 10: on of my like it. I think Johnson Amida has

1622
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,600
Speaker 10: been exposed a little bit on the gin side. You know,

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01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:15,639
Speaker 10: Curtis Blades got him. He also got knocked out early

1624
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:17,760
Speaker 10: in his career, back at two five. A lot of

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01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 10: people still question he's a full fledge everyway. Obviously he

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Speaker 10: has skills on the gund he gets to the ground.

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01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 10: It could be a problem here. But when you're giving

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Speaker 10: me plus one fifty on a guy with experience like

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Speaker 10: Volkoff in six seven six eight like that, Yeah, I'm

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01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 10: gonna take I'm gonna take that guy right there, So

1631
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:31,559
Speaker 10: give me Volkoff. I like him a lot.

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Speaker 5: In the spot fiftieth pro fight for Drago Can Flow,

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Speaker 5: He's won thirty eight of those, but really should be

1634
01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,240
Speaker 5: thirty nine, right, should be riding a five fight winning streak.

1635
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 5: Lost the Splits of Seedle God at UFC three ten.

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01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,680
Speaker 5: That was almost a year ago, ten months or so,

1637
01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 5: and you can tell I still have a bad taste

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01:19:47,400 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 5: in my mouth about it. Volkov spins it forward in

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Speaker 5: Earnest this weekend. How do you see it play out?

1640
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 5: Which a yielda now Mada, Yeah, I think.

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01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,880
Speaker 7: Volkov's been working on his grappling a great deal.

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01:19:57,520 --> 01:20:00,919
Speaker 8: Obviously, the guy's massive, hits very hard, and if Jiyleton

1643
01:20:01,320 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 8: is not successful or efficient with his takedowns, then Volkov

1644
01:20:04,360 --> 01:20:08,679
Speaker 8: can definitely win this fight. Watching Volkov's fight against Cyril

1645
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:10,720
Speaker 8: gone though, you know, it's like Cyril was taking him

1646
01:20:10,760 --> 01:20:14,400
Speaker 8: down with some sloppy takedowns, and if Gileton is getting

1647
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 8: in on those legs and taking him down, I think

1648
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 8: Gelton's gonna run him over it. It's the hardest thing.

1649
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 8: We talk about this all the time. The hardest thing

1650
01:20:21,200 --> 01:20:23,600
Speaker 8: to make up is grappling time, you know, especially you

1651
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 8: get a black belt like Almeida. I think this is

1652
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 8: a perfect fight for Jilton and yeah, give me the

1653
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 8: Brazilian Alexanna.

1654
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,599
Speaker 5: Volkov does have a Brazilian jiu jitsu brown belt, but yeah,

1655
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 5: there does appear to be a grappling gap to be sure.

1656
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 5: We'll see ifl made it can take that path of

1657
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:46,920
Speaker 5: least resistance. All right, here we go, man Banham weight

1658
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 5: division doesn't get much bigger than this Brian unless there's

1659
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,280
Speaker 5: a belt on the line. Umar Namagamada minus four to

1660
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:56,320
Speaker 5: fifty five taken on Mario Bautista plus three fifty Bautista

1661
01:20:56,360 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 5: with the extended winning streak, trying to punch his ticket here.

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01:20:59,479 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 5: What do you think?

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01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 10: Yes for Umar, my men, I mean the number is

1664
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,080
Speaker 10: great on Bautista. I think this dude just putting his

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01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:06,439
Speaker 10: head down doing the work, like he's just getting out there. Sure,

1666
01:21:06,439 --> 01:21:08,560
Speaker 10: I'll fight anybody. I'll do the work. And you know,

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01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:09,920
Speaker 10: he got a lot of shit from the out of

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01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 10: fight and he goes, fuck it, Okay, I'll stand up

1669
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,160
Speaker 10: with pat. He makes the entire time and land one

1670
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,360
Speaker 10: hundred and forty three hundred and fifty three significant strikes

1671
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 10: on the guy and look dominant. Right, But you're going

1672
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 10: against Umar Umar, and you know he's got the last name.

1673
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,640
Speaker 10: You know, Russians are usually very inflated in markets with

1674
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:27,280
Speaker 10: and especially with his last name and who he comes from.

1675
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:29,439
Speaker 10: But that's that's not taking away the fact that he's

1676
01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,479
Speaker 10: he's unreal, right, I think Umar is really the only

1677
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:35,200
Speaker 10: guy that's going to challenge no respector Peter Petrion or anything,

1678
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 10: challenge morop. I think Umar's the guy. They're gonna have

1679
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,640
Speaker 10: a trilogy, maybe in four fights by the end of

1680
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:42,320
Speaker 10: the career. I think Umar is that kind of guy.

1681
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 10: I think his striking is pretty good, shussdown people out

1682
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 10: with his grappling, which his lights out. The numbers hide.

1683
01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 10: It's hard for me to get to this number obviously,

1684
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 10: so I might have to play. You might jump in

1685
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 10: the prop whole. Get Umar by submission. I don't see

1686
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 10: him knocking Outpatista. I don't see him submitting to me either.

1687
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 10: But if you want to try to gamble make some money,

1688
01:21:57,960 --> 01:21:58,599
Speaker 10: I go submission.

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01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 5: So give me Umar, Umar Maga Mattov kam Flow eighteen

1690
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:04,640
Speaker 5: and one, coming off his first pro loss. That was,

1691
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 5: of course, back in January when he went five rounds

1692
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:11,479
Speaker 5: with the still undisputed champion Rob Dwallash WILLI minus four

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01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 5: p fifty five right now the price on Umar and

1694
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 5: Imaga mattav at Draft Kings Sports Book. Kenny, your thoughts, well.

1695
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 8: You mentioned the price there. That's where my problem is.

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01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 8: I think every single time Mario Bautista is not as

1697
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 8: appreciated as he should be. I think he's a fantastic fighter.

1698
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:35,080
Speaker 8: I thought he looked fantastic against PATCHI mix looked like

1699
01:22:35,160 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 8: he had something to prove out there. His movement looked phenomenal,

1700
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,320
Speaker 8: and you know, he's got some decent wrestling. I do think,

1701
01:22:42,400 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 8: you know, does his wrestling or is his wrestling going

1702
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 8: to hold up against someone like Nirmaga Matov?

1703
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:47,840
Speaker 7: Can he be submitted? Yeah?

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01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:49,880
Speaker 8: I think he probably can. I think that's probably the

1705
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 8: weakest part of his game. But as far as putting

1706
01:22:52,200 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 8: it all together, his footwork, getting in, getting out, hitting

1707
01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,600
Speaker 8: with power, you know, defending with his takedowns, you know,

1708
01:22:58,800 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 8: fighting right the right game plans. I like Mario Bautista

1709
01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,280
Speaker 8: in this spot, and you know, I know Nurmaga Metov

1710
01:23:05,400 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 8: is an absolute stud but you know, I have a

1711
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 8: similar feeling, you know, like I did against right near

1712
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 8: de Ritter, where I thought Brendan Allen was in a

1713
01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:15,920
Speaker 8: good spot to win, and I think Bautista is in

1714
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,719
Speaker 8: a good spot to win and surprise people yet again.

1715
01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:24,439
Speaker 5: Well there you have me. Huh, all right? That brings

1716
01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 5: us to the Strawweight Championship CO main event as soon

1717
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,240
Speaker 5: as this fight begins. Jean Wade Lee will have effectively

1718
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 5: vacated the one hundred and fifteen pound thrown Mackenzie Dern

1719
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 5: and Vina Kakara Jenji Doba getting their first shots at

1720
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 5: the title. Dern minus one thirty five Jeni Doba plus

1721
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,200
Speaker 5: one fourteen couple wins in a row good enough for

1722
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,760
Speaker 5: Dern to get her first crack at gold. Last time out,

1723
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 5: she submitted Amanda Hebass with that arm bar in round three.

1724
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 5: A tremendous performance for Dern and he or she is

1725
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:00,639
Speaker 5: ten months later fighting for the world title. Beat Pete takeaway.

1726
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 10: Yeah, I know we got Dom Chris coming up, so

1727
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,439
Speaker 10: I'm gonna be quick. But Kenny Floorian, this guy picking

1728
01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 10: opposite of me every car, every fight so far. He's

1729
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 10: on fire. And I did switch my pick of Brendan Ala.

1730
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,280
Speaker 10: I mentioned that last podcast that would be a pick switch.

1731
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 10: I flipped it because I rewatched the show and Kenny

1732
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 10: was convicted. Thank you Kenny for making me a little

1733
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 10: bit of money. Anyway, this fight rematch, I rewatched the

1734
01:24:19,200 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 10: first fight very very close. One thing that stood up

1735
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,400
Speaker 10: my mind was Jingidoba. Since she has lost that fight

1736
01:24:24,479 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 10: to Dura, has really opened up her grappling. She is

1737
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,559
Speaker 10: a very good wrestler. She's stubborn to take down. Her

1738
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:32,640
Speaker 10: striking is improving. But Mackenzie durned pool Guard in that fight.

1739
01:24:32,720 --> 01:24:35,800
Speaker 10: They credit their jingido before a takedown. Pool Guard ran

1740
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:37,360
Speaker 10: at the end of that at the at the end

1741
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 10: of that second round, she almost had a leg during

1742
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 10: this crafty on the ground. This is gonna be a

1743
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:43,360
Speaker 10: stand up fight. Jinger Dooda has never been five rounds

1744
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,960
Speaker 10: in the UFC, and Mackenzie Durn's been a few times

1745
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,719
Speaker 10: and her cardio is not putt in the question anymore.

1746
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,479
Speaker 10: She's on a two fight win streak. I think you're

1747
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,920
Speaker 10: gonna see some standing up here. But Ckenzie Durn boxing

1748
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:54,759
Speaker 10: has improved. Jinger Josh boxes improved. I think McKenzie Durn's

1749
01:24:54,760 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 10: got a little bit more dog in her. I think

1750
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,360
Speaker 10: she I think she goes after a little bit more

1751
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:00,360
Speaker 10: of than Jenjidoba. And I think if Jingji Doe wants

1752
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 10: to win this fight, she can't be afraid of the

1753
01:25:02,160 --> 01:25:04,120
Speaker 10: grappling because she's lights down on the ground too. But

1754
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 10: Kenzie and You're just more credential grappler and a little

1755
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 10: more dangerous on the submissions. While Jenidobo does have submissions,

1756
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 10: she's more positioned. First fight was very close. I did

1757
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,720
Speaker 10: think during one, I think Durn's gonna win this. It's

1758
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 10: hard for me to go against Jenji Dob because I

1759
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 10: love saying her name, I love her haircut, I love

1760
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 10: everything about her. But Mackenzie Dern is a ten of

1761
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,800
Speaker 10: a ten. I mean she's getting hotter, which is impossible

1762
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:27,400
Speaker 10: herbie in the face of this division, for the UFC,

1763
01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 10: for MMA, it's gonna be phenomenal. And I think she's

1764
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,759
Speaker 10: a exciding fighter as well. There's not many boring McKenzie

1765
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 10: durn fights. Even if she wins, her loses, so and

1766
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:37,880
Speaker 10: new McKenzie Durn liked the low number two. It m

1767
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:38,639
Speaker 10: minus one thirty five.

1768
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:41,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, she's very attractive. She's a hell of a fighter too.

1769
01:25:41,240 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 5: Ken Flow and anyone who suggested that maybe she wouldn't

1770
01:25:44,479 --> 01:25:47,000
Speaker 5: have a long term appetite for this fight game was

1771
01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 5: very wrong. Vina Ka Kada Jangidoba was going to be

1772
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:53,720
Speaker 5: impossible to deny once the belt was going to be

1773
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 5: vacated by Jean Waye Lee. She's the one with the

1774
01:25:55,880 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 5: extended winning street can flow and it's been really amazing

1775
01:26:00,280 --> 01:26:03,599
Speaker 5: to watch her. UFC trajectory and evolution. Now she's twenty

1776
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:05,759
Speaker 5: five minutes or fewer away from the world title herself.

1777
01:26:05,840 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 5: Mackenzie Dern Vina Jjidoba, who do you like?

1778
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna say something you guys have never heard before.

1779
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:14,760
Speaker 8: Styles make fights. I think this is Yeah, I've never

1780
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:20,840
Speaker 8: heard this that. I think that Dern, with her grappling pedigree,

1781
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 8: is gonna have an advantage here if this one hits

1782
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,840
Speaker 8: the ground. I do think that she's made more improvements

1783
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 8: in her games since the last time they fought, and

1784
01:26:29,240 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 8: I think, you know, everything from her striking to a

1785
01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 8: wrestling to just putting it all together. I think she's

1786
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,240
Speaker 8: in a better spot here, but Verenna has been the

1787
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,640
Speaker 8: more consistent competitor, so I think this should be a

1788
01:26:39,680 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 8: good one. I think it's really close as to who's

1789
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:43,960
Speaker 8: gonna win, but I'm gonna lean the way.

1790
01:26:44,040 --> 01:26:48,120
Speaker 5: Mackenzie dern first fight was UFC two fifty six between

1791
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 5: the two December twelfth, twenty twenty, and that was at

1792
01:26:52,040 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 5: the UFC Apex No fans so a decidedly different climate

1793
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 5: here at Eddie Hoderna as Vina Janjidoba goes for six

1794
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 5: straight wins either way, you're getting a new straweight champion.

1795
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 5: Very excited to make that call, especially if we get

1796
01:27:05,640 --> 01:27:08,840
Speaker 5: a finish. All right, folks, you know what it is.

1797
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 5: Main event prediction time on disputed heavyweight Championship is on

1798
01:27:11,720 --> 01:27:15,800
Speaker 5: the line. Sele Goan is the plus three hundred underdog.

1799
01:27:15,920 --> 01:27:18,679
Speaker 5: The incumbent Tom Aspinall the minus three to eighty betting

1800
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:22,680
Speaker 5: favorite to successfully retain his undisputed heavyweight championship in this

1801
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 5: his first title defense. Ken Flow saddle Goan Tom Aspinall,

1802
01:27:28,400 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 5: who leaves Abu Dhabi as the baddest big man on

1803
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:33,559
Speaker 5: the planet.

1804
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 7: Are we talking about Tom the bomb?

1805
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 6: Asp Oh bomb?

1806
01:27:39,320 --> 01:27:40,679
Speaker 10: Are we talking about the bomb?

1807
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:41,080
Speaker 5: Dude?

1808
01:27:41,920 --> 01:27:44,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, I think both. That's actually not terrible, Tom,

1809
01:27:45,080 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 8: It's not terrible. Cyril Gon is a very patient fighter.

1810
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 8: He's a very smart fighter. He's he's very good on

1811
01:27:52,120 --> 01:27:54,320
Speaker 8: his feet. Again, he's one of the few guys that

1812
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,840
Speaker 8: I think can is somewhat near the athleticism of someone

1813
01:27:57,920 --> 01:27:58,880
Speaker 8: like Tom Aspinall.

1814
01:27:59,320 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 7: However, he has always been vulnerable when it comes to

1815
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 7: the ground game.

1816
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 8: You know, whether it's going for a leg lock that's

1817
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:09,720
Speaker 8: not needed, or you know, just being kind of like

1818
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:13,280
Speaker 8: a dead fish on his back. You can't have those

1819
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 8: kind of weaknesses against someone like Tom Aspinall. This guy

1820
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 8: is an absolute shark from all positions, and when it

1821
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:24,639
Speaker 8: comes to landing shots on the feet, you know, one

1822
01:28:24,760 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 8: punch knockout power. Tom Aspinall is that guy Cyril Gone

1823
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 8: can can definitely hurt Aspinall as well. Aspinall is gonna

1824
01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 8: have to be careful with the knee coming in if

1825
01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:34,840
Speaker 8: he decides to go for a double legs.

1826
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 7: You have to be careful, you know.

1827
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,600
Speaker 8: Certainly with some of the crosses and different weapons that

1828
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:43,760
Speaker 8: Cyril Gone can bring to the table. But I think

1829
01:28:43,800 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 8: Tom Aspinall is just too good everywhere man. And I

1830
01:28:46,200 --> 01:28:48,280
Speaker 8: also think that, you know, when it comes down to it,

1831
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:50,560
Speaker 8: with all the pressure that's on him, it's for the

1832
01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 8: for the actual belt here. I think he's going to

1833
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:56,360
Speaker 8: try to take cereal Cyro Gone out and make a statement,

1834
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 8: and I think that happens by him taking to the ground.

1835
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 7: So give me Tom the bomb.

1836
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 5: Aspinall, Yeah, wouldn't be surprised at all to see him

1837
01:29:05,040 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 5: lean on the grappling chops. When you think about some

1838
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 5: of the best grapplers in UFC heavyweight history and you

1839
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 5: think about names like Frank me Or and fabriciover Doom

1840
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 5: and Antonio Hadrigo Nogera and even more recently, you know,

1841
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:22,760
Speaker 5: Alexio lennok knew his way around a submission. We got

1842
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,719
Speaker 5: Jay Hlta now made it competing this weekend. But Tom

1843
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,720
Speaker 5: Aspinall is the best grappler, the best submission guy in

1844
01:29:28,840 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 5: this division, you know, with respect to Malia Genioe. Right,

1845
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 5: I mean he's got all these different submissions and all

1846
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,960
Speaker 5: these different takedowns, not to mention the power and speed

1847
01:29:38,040 --> 01:29:40,800
Speaker 5: on the feet his nicknames the bomb like he really

1848
01:29:41,560 --> 01:29:45,599
Speaker 5: can do it all. So as such, he's near minus

1849
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:47,880
Speaker 5: four hundred. Brian Petrie, who do you have in the

1850
01:29:47,960 --> 01:29:48,439
Speaker 5: main events?

1851
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:51,120
Speaker 10: Yeah, Kenny Kenny Berger down bet. That's how I see

1852
01:29:51,120 --> 01:29:53,320
Speaker 10: this fight going. I think Tom Asball has one number

1853
01:29:53,360 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 10: in his head. Two minutes and four seconds. That's how

1854
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:59,360
Speaker 10: long it took John Jones to finish Siro Gone. I

1855
01:29:59,400 --> 01:30:03,160
Speaker 10: think to is such a competitive motherfucker John Jones fight.

1856
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 10: Is it gonna happen at the White House? We don't know.

1857
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:08,639
Speaker 10: Tom's been on the sidelines. Oh, he's been on the sidelines,

1858
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,479
Speaker 10: but he's been getting fucking shredded. Do you see him

1859
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 10: post his medicals like that's insane. How big an athletic

1860
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 10: this guy was, and he's continuing to get better. He's

1861
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,040
Speaker 10: good everywhere.

1862
01:30:19,120 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 7: I think his.

1863
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:23,720
Speaker 10: Submissions are superb. I think he's going to stand with Gon,

1864
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 10: who is very fancy footwork, and I think he's gonna

1865
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:28,320
Speaker 10: clip him. And I think if he doesn't go down,

1866
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 10: he's gonna get the fight to the ground. He's gonna

1867
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 10: get submission. I like tom Asball here. It's a big

1868
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 10: number to have a weight number. I don't mean to

1869
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 10: disrespect Serrogan. I could go in the house Heregan could win,

1870
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:39,240
Speaker 10: but we don't have time for that. It's tom Aspin

1871
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,040
Speaker 10: all the way for me, the bomb tom Asminall.

1872
01:30:42,280 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna be curious to see some of those

1873
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,360
Speaker 5: proposition numbers. I think there are a lot of people

1874
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 5: who are going to be attacking Tommy by round one

1875
01:30:50,080 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 5: knockout or round one submission. Potentially three years separate these

1876
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,639
Speaker 5: men in age. Tom Aspinall was born April eleventh, nineteen

1877
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,120
Speaker 5: ninety three. He's thirty Who Steel Gon born April twelfth,

1878
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,960
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety he is thirty five. And that is your

1879
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 5: main event in Abu Dhabi. This weekend. All right, final

1880
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 5: act here before we get to uh domin Cruz. On

1881
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:15,680
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1887
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:33,840
Speaker 5: All right, first we update the standings and Patrick getting

1888
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:36,240
Speaker 5: aggressive late because of the deficit and it's not necessarily

1889
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:41,680
Speaker 5: paying out. So I love your I love your congenial

1890
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 5: approach to accepting your fate. Here minus one thousand, Jay

1891
01:31:45,080 --> 01:31:46,880
Speaker 5: tells me you had a two leg parlay on aman

1892
01:31:46,960 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 5: Za Hobby and Matt Frovola corect.

1893
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,320
Speaker 10: The friends parlayo is at.

1894
01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 5: Short and you know what Jay wrote here in the

1895
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 5: email he wrote for Vola actually lost twice.

1896
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,400
Speaker 10: Can't complain about that, He's right, I can't. I couldn't

1897
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 10: believe that. I know you guys talked about it. That

1898
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 10: was the craziest thing I've ever seen. That's crazy.

1899
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 5: So well, we will only dock you one band, even

1900
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:08,240
Speaker 5: though he did lose twice.

1901
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:09,040
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1902
01:32:09,240 --> 01:32:10,200
Speaker 10: Thank you. That's generous.

1903
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,800
Speaker 5: Can flow you put your whole stack one thousand dollars

1904
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,120
Speaker 5: on aim as a hobby, you make eight hundred dollars,

1905
01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,760
Speaker 5: shaves your nut down to minus five hundred and eighty

1906
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:24,000
Speaker 5: five dollars and twenty nine cents. So the black for

1907
01:32:24,120 --> 01:32:27,679
Speaker 5: ken flow well within striking distance with a couple of right, Okay,

1908
01:32:28,120 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 5: all right, the lead is seventeen thousand, two hundred and

1909
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:36,000
Speaker 5: sixty seven dollars and seventy one cents. Yeah, all right,

1910
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 5: three thousand dollars at your disposal. Because this is a

1911
01:32:39,840 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 5: pay per view event, and we do remind you all

1912
01:32:42,479 --> 01:32:47,080
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1913
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 5: The propositions will populate later in the week, but whole card,

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Speaker 5: all fourteen of them, can be wagered upon three thousand

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Speaker 5: dollars BP. Please lead us off if you would.

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Speaker 10: Yeah. So people think I'm just gonna roll over and die, Listen,

1917
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Speaker 10: I'm owing. My team is Oho and six and Fantasy football,

1918
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 10: and I'm still after making goddamn trades. Okay, I don't quit.

1919
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Speaker 10: So first leg is aspinall rackets and vocal. That's plus

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Speaker 10: five nineteen on DraftKings right now, give me two thousand

1921
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Speaker 10: dollars on that. We was gonna put three thousand on it,

1922
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Speaker 10: but I want to mix up a little bit. So

1923
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Speaker 10: three leg parlay plus five nineteen, we'll get some We'll

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Speaker 10: go about ten k let's go aspinall by some five

1925
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Speaker 10: hundred bucks. I'll get that prop to Jason, and I

1926
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Speaker 10: also get this prop to him as well during my decision.

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Speaker 10: Another five hundred to round up my three grand.

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Speaker 5: So that's what I'm saying, Bri, especially these pay per

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Speaker 5: view weeks, and you got two more of them the

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Speaker 5: rest of the way, right, Yes, putting a parlay on

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Speaker 5: paper that could potentially pay you five figures, just.

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Speaker 6: To you know, give Ken flow maybe a little bit

1933
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Speaker 6: of trepidation.

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Speaker 10: I want to sweat just a little bit. He's too

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Speaker 10: comfortable over there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, the unflappable Kenny Florian. Let's see if

1937
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 5: he can keep it going. Three thousand dollars to spend

1938
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Speaker 5: Canny go.

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Speaker 8: Ahead, Okay, Well this might be the week because I

1940
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 8: like some of the here. You know, I'm gonna sprinkle

1941
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,879
Speaker 8: some money around. Let's go Mrsey Khanoff for two fifty,

1942
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Speaker 8: Bautista for two fifty.

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Speaker 7: I love that pick and then we kind of just

1944
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Speaker 7: go straight down the bord here all made a seven fifty.

1945
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Speaker 8: And for Tom aspinall one seven five zero, one thousand,

1946
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Speaker 8: seven hundred and fifty on Tom the ball.

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Speaker 5: That's all right, Just so just to give you guys

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Speaker 5: an idea, because for full disclosure, so Kenny's seventeen hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifty dollars bet on Tom, We'll pay him four

1950
01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:41,800
Speaker 5: hundred and sixty dollars, right, So not nothing, that's not nothing.

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01:34:41,880 --> 01:34:43,840
Speaker 5: You know, make five hundred bucks on a straight wager.

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01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 5: And I think for a lot of people the outcome

1953
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Speaker 5: feels like an eventuality. But we will tell you off

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Speaker 5: the top of pay per view why it is anything

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Speaker 5: but that. Hey, BP, what is the rest of your Sunday?

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Speaker 3: Hold?

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Speaker 5: Are you gonna watch the National Football League or no?

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Speaker 10: Yeah? Oh yeah, I'm I'm in. I mean, even with

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Speaker 10: the Bengals out, I'm all in. I really want to

1960
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Speaker 10: give a quick shout out. I know we got the

1961
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Speaker 10: great Do Cruse coming on later this week, later this

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Speaker 10: week on my podcast, MMA Takes Podcast on Thursday, We're

1963
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Speaker 10: gonna have I've been on his show twice now we

1964
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Speaker 10: are now friendly. He's been on this show before he

1965
01:35:10,160 --> 01:35:10,559
Speaker 10: would play.

1966
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Speaker 8: He came in.

1967
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Speaker 10: I don't know if you filled in for me or what,

1968
01:35:12,760 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 10: but Hayden iverson at Agi picks. I know, John, you're

1969
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Speaker 10: a fantasy.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

1971
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Speaker 10: Him and I are buddies. I did his show twice.

1972
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Speaker 10: He's coming on my show for the first time Thursday Live.

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Speaker 10: MMA takes podcasts on YouTube. Tshu Sharp two really good,

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Speaker 10: just fucking handsome young guys in her twenties. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 10: thirty nine, but let's have you over the time.

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Speaker 5: That's it.

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Speaker 6: Hayden's a good dude. That's his Check that out. All right, Buddy,

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Speaker 6: enjoyed the pay per view and we'll.

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Speaker 5: before we get to Domina Cruz, who I believe still

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01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:19,280
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2013
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Speaker 5: So I talked about some of the grapplers, and I

2014
01:37:22,640 --> 01:37:24,840
Speaker 5: did do a little bit of research this morning. Frank

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01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 5: Meer Fabricio over Doom Big Nog. I'm sure I left

2016
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,879
Speaker 5: out a name or two. But when I ask questions

2017
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,840
Speaker 5: like if you were to send one heavyweight in there

2018
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:36,879
Speaker 5: to beat Tom aspinall right now, to save a rescue

2019
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:41,080
Speaker 5: dogs life, who would it be? And it's a hard question,

2020
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 5: right and especially it's hard because Tom Aspinall has been

2021
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:47,400
Speaker 5: put on this pedestal by so many people, and I

2022
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:49,800
Speaker 5: think rightfully so. But I do think, Kenny, that some

2023
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:53,559
Speaker 5: people would say Jai Yilta Almeta, even if undersized, because

2024
01:37:54,040 --> 01:37:57,559
Speaker 5: that part of Tom's game is so stout. A lot

2025
01:37:57,600 --> 01:37:59,840
Speaker 5: of people scoff when I say Volkov because of the

2026
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,880
Speaker 5: first meeting between those two guys. Despite the physical and

2027
01:38:03,120 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 5: wrestling improvements, a lot of people don't necessarily want to

2028
01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 5: see that. Again, a lot of people would send seedle

2029
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 5: Gan in there, and he's getting the shot this weekend

2030
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 5: in some part because he might be the livest underdog

2031
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:16,040
Speaker 5: of all the underdogs that would get a chance to

2032
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:17,920
Speaker 5: fight Tom Aspinall right now.

2033
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Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, I think that John Jones, with him not

2034
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 8: being available, I think that Cyril Gunn is the toughest

2035
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:31,439
Speaker 8: guy out there for him right now, again, just based

2036
01:38:31,479 --> 01:38:36,040
Speaker 8: on his overall size, his athleticism, his striking prowess. He's

2037
01:38:36,080 --> 01:38:40,080
Speaker 8: been really working on his grappling a lot, and I

2038
01:38:40,200 --> 01:38:42,320
Speaker 8: think he's got a shot, no question about it.

2039
01:38:42,600 --> 01:38:45,200
Speaker 7: I'm just that bullish on Tom Aspitall and his skills.

2040
01:38:45,400 --> 01:38:49,320
Speaker 8: But you know, I think Gileton Almeida is an interesting

2041
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 8: one as well, because he's one of the few guys

2042
01:38:52,280 --> 01:38:55,880
Speaker 8: that could really match Tom Aspall, especially if he's able

2043
01:38:55,920 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 8: to get on top.

2044
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Speaker 5: I think that's a guy that he maybe could potentially submit.

2045
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Speaker 5: Who knows, And I really don't know how to answer

2046
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 5: that question. I might even give Sergey Pavlovitch some consideration

2047
01:39:05,880 --> 01:39:08,960
Speaker 5: just because of the death touch, you know, but it's

2048
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:12,120
Speaker 5: a fascinating question all right now. Joining us on the

2049
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,400
Speaker 5: guest line, very excited to have this man, especially on

2050
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,000
Speaker 5: a Sunday Morning Live one of the greatest band of

2051
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 5: weights of all time. His futures in the Hall of

2052
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:23,080
Speaker 5: Fame at Domina Cruz on social media, soon to launch

2053
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 5: the Love and War podcast.

2054
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 6: My man, it's great to see you.

2055
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:29,639
Speaker 5: Your workouts look so much fucking harder than mine on Instagram.

2056
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

2057
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:32,960
Speaker 4: That's the way it's supposed to look on Instagram. Right,

2058
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 4: everything's like fluffy and nice. Life is going amazing, Everything's perfect.

2059
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,200
Speaker 4: I'm so strong, right, Yeah.

2060
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 5: So you always do You always do reverse lunges, which

2061
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,479
Speaker 5: are like the hardest exercise for me, And every time

2062
01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:51,000
Speaker 5: I watch your video, you never are You're never abandoning

2063
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,040
Speaker 5: your legs and you're always doing those fucking reverse lunges.

2064
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,640
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I'm still healing the shoulder, and so it

2065
01:39:55,800 --> 01:39:58,280
Speaker 4: helps anybody who's out there trying to get therapy. If

2066
01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:01,920
Speaker 4: you can't work one half, work the bottom half and

2067
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,559
Speaker 4: it all works together, it really does help trigger the healing.

2068
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:10,000
Speaker 4: But I'm following the ufcpi's strength and conditioning program. I

2069
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,240
Speaker 4: had them write me stuff like if I was still competing,

2070
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:15,479
Speaker 4: because for me, it's important to stay dangerous as possible

2071
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 4: at all time, right, and want to be able to

2072
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 4: compete with the highest level athletes in the world. So

2073
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:22,599
Speaker 4: I will be back sparring them. I will be back

2074
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:25,800
Speaker 4: beating their asses in the gym. That's a guarantee. But

2075
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 4: it's just right now. I got a heal.

2076
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:32,000
Speaker 5: I love hearing you say that, right, because every time

2077
01:40:32,080 --> 01:40:35,040
Speaker 5: you do an interview other than maybe on the Anticinploring podcast,

2078
01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:38,840
Speaker 5: people are going to ask you about boxing matches and

2079
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 5: competing in these other settings, and those questions just aren't

2080
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 5: going to go away. And so when I hear you

2081
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,200
Speaker 5: talk about training to be your most dangerous, you know,

2082
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:49,160
Speaker 5: I do think eventually there's going to be some sort

2083
01:40:49,160 --> 01:40:51,720
Speaker 5: of monetary opportunity to close you and your eye of

2084
01:40:51,800 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 5: faber in some space in some martial art, and I

2085
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:57,920
Speaker 5: don't know, I look forward to it.

2086
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Speaker 4: Three fights I think are four on my contract with

2087
01:41:01,280 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 4: the UFC that I when I retired because of my

2088
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 4: shoulder injury. They're just they're just sitting there on the table.

2089
01:41:07,680 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 4: So I'm not It's not like I'm going to some

2090
01:41:09,520 --> 01:41:11,839
Speaker 4: boxing match somewhere else. I don't really have those options.

2091
01:41:11,920 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 4: Besides that I work for the UFC too. I mean

2092
01:41:14,840 --> 01:41:18,120
Speaker 4: I'm on the commentary team. So imagine I.

2093
01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:22,160
Speaker 5: Tried Rodman's contract expire. He's fighting Anderson Silva on a

2094
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:24,559
Speaker 5: Jake Paul undercard. Does he have no fights left?

2095
01:41:24,600 --> 01:41:24,760
Speaker 8: You know?

2096
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:26,280
Speaker 5: I mean anyway, I think.

2097
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Speaker 4: I think that's a good no. That's you're in a

2098
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:30,280
Speaker 4: valid question. I don't have the answers to that. I

2099
01:41:30,360 --> 01:41:32,160
Speaker 4: haven't like tried to work around the scenes. But that's

2100
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:33,920
Speaker 4: a good question for Chris to be honest, like, how

2101
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 4: did he work that out? Maybe I could, you know,

2102
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 4: ask him, But I can't see them letting me out

2103
01:41:39,320 --> 01:41:42,479
Speaker 4: of a contract to go to another organization to go

2104
01:41:42,600 --> 01:41:44,800
Speaker 4: fight a boxing match, even if I prayed to God

2105
01:41:44,840 --> 01:41:46,800
Speaker 4: a million times, Like why would they do that?

2106
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Speaker 3: Right? Right? Ah?

2107
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Speaker 5: Well, a few things that I'd like to get your

2108
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 5: opinions on today, and we will talk about your new podcast,

2109
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:56,679
Speaker 5: the Love and War Podcast. By the way, I knew

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Speaker 5: you weren't going to go with Cruise with Me as

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Speaker 5: the name of your show.

2112
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Speaker 3: You didn't know that.

2113
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Speaker 4: I didn't know what I was gonna do. Listen, I

2114
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Speaker 4: was teasing that because the part of the podcast is

2115
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Speaker 4: we're gonna look through people. We're gonna show have the

2116
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2117
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Speaker 4: for instance, if Kenny Florian came onto my podcast, he'd

2118
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Speaker 4: be showing me his sweet Porsche and all the special

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2121
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Speaker 4: it's like shooting a gun. I was just doing a

2122
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 4: thing recently, and when you shoot a weapon, if you

2123
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Speaker 4: just get this crazy adrenaline rush, it's the same thing

2124
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Speaker 4: as pushing the gas pedal on a car. It's like,

2125
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Speaker 4: you just get this good feeling that I can't explain,

2126
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Speaker 4: and I need all those good feelings I can get

2127
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 4: right now.

2128
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 7: I love it. Man, that's phenomenal.

2129
01:42:45,479 --> 01:42:49,640
Speaker 8: So what about these fights coming up, like with Aspinall

2130
01:42:49,680 --> 01:42:54,560
Speaker 8: and Gone, Like, do you think Aspinall has the competition

2131
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:58,320
Speaker 8: in the division to establish him eventually as one of

2132
01:42:58,360 --> 01:42:58,759
Speaker 8: the goats.

2133
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:04,439
Speaker 4: Well, that's the question itself shows you how good he is.

2134
01:43:05,200 --> 01:43:07,240
Speaker 4: Think about that. You're saying, is anybody good enough? He's

2135
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,720
Speaker 4: already the best and he hasn't even done it right

2136
01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:13,559
Speaker 4: said everything like that answer, You're answering your own question.

2137
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 3: He is the man.

2138
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,160
Speaker 4: Nobody wants to fight him, nobody can compete with him.

2139
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 4: He's he's levels above everybody. John Jones doesn't want to

2140
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:24,840
Speaker 4: fight him because he's the real youngster, real heavyweight. That

2141
01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 4: is a real problem. It's a fact he didn't fight

2142
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:32,799
Speaker 4: Steep mel Chich on accident. Okay, that was a choice.

2143
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:35,439
Speaker 4: You can go to the best in the division who's

2144
01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:37,679
Speaker 4: already champion, or you can go after the old guy

2145
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:41,120
Speaker 4: who used to be that's been retired doing firefighting for

2146
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:45,080
Speaker 4: five years, chopping down trees. Like I love steepenmeil Chich.

2147
01:43:45,120 --> 01:43:46,720
Speaker 4: I was there when he was rising to the top.

2148
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:50,720
Speaker 4: But it's not he's not the champion. Tom Aspinall was.

2149
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:54,080
Speaker 4: That's the guy John Jones should have fought that he didn't,

2150
01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,360
Speaker 4: And that's a fact. That's the man right there.

2151
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:59,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, and Dom, what do you think about right near

2152
01:43:59,200 --> 01:44:02,720
Speaker 8: to Ritter quitting on the stool yet you're not too

2153
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,080
Speaker 8: far moved from fighting, but what were your thoughts on that?

2154
01:44:07,479 --> 01:44:12,840
Speaker 4: Well, anytime you see somebody quit before the end, there's

2155
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:14,639
Speaker 4: not much you got to say about that. That person.

2156
01:44:14,720 --> 01:44:16,640
Speaker 4: I don't need to say anything. That person's gonna go

2157
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:21,439
Speaker 4: back and watch the fight and they're gonna stab themselves

2158
01:44:21,479 --> 01:44:24,080
Speaker 4: in the stomach and twist it until they get another

2159
01:44:24,160 --> 01:44:26,680
Speaker 4: fight that I don't need to say a thing, and

2160
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,560
Speaker 4: I won't because I've been a fighter. But when you

2161
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:34,479
Speaker 4: stop before it stopped, and it's your choice not not.

2162
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:36,519
Speaker 4: I mean they said that through the towel, right, but

2163
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:40,080
Speaker 4: you're kind of making the choice to an extent. If

2164
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:42,560
Speaker 4: they're throwing the towel, you're showing that you're out of it.

2165
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:44,840
Speaker 4: Like that will never happen with a guy like me.

2166
01:44:44,960 --> 01:44:47,600
Speaker 4: So I'm not the good guy to ask about that.

2167
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 4: I'm the guy that is begging the REF to not

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01:44:50,400 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 4: be a pussy and let me get knocked out. Because

2169
01:44:53,120 --> 01:44:56,160
Speaker 4: these guys think they have some thing where they need

2170
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,960
Speaker 4: to save me and I don't need them at all.

2171
01:44:59,120 --> 01:45:02,320
Speaker 4: Stay out of my fight. You know, it kind of

2172
01:45:02,360 --> 01:45:04,840
Speaker 4: goes I get. I get wound up about that because

2173
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,479
Speaker 4: it's like, if you think about it, I train eight

2174
01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 4: weeks for a fight, twelve weeks for a fight as

2175
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:11,880
Speaker 4: hard as I can, and then I get to the fight.

2176
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:16,360
Speaker 4: How much has the REF trained? Minimal? And the commission

2177
01:45:16,400 --> 01:45:18,760
Speaker 4: doesn't teach them anything and they don't even know what

2178
01:45:18,840 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 4: a takedown is. So this guy actually holds the fight

2179
01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:26,160
Speaker 4: in their hands and they don't even train. They can

2180
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 4: stop the fight at any moment, no matter how hard

2181
01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 4: I train, no matter how prepared I am, no matter

2182
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 4: how good I feel, the referee and their weak mind

2183
01:45:36,439 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 4: can go in there and stop the fight because they're weak.

2184
01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,560
Speaker 4: Like I don't agree with that. There's got to be

2185
01:45:41,680 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 4: something there because it's happened to me and it's happened

2186
01:45:45,080 --> 01:45:47,360
Speaker 4: to other people where the fight gets stopped early and

2187
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:50,920
Speaker 4: you're like, I'm fine, and the ref's like, oh, I

2188
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:53,560
Speaker 4: just don't know what's going on, and I'm confused and

2189
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 4: I'm scared, and that's why I stop the fight. It's

2190
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:01,559
Speaker 4: like they're not fighters. So there's a little gap there. Now,

2191
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:05,439
Speaker 4: if we're talking about deritter, he made a decision to

2192
01:46:05,640 --> 01:46:08,439
Speaker 4: not defend himself and so he chose out a fight.

2193
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:10,920
Speaker 4: I don't need to say anything about that. He's gonna

2194
01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:12,760
Speaker 4: kill himself about that one he gets up.

2195
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:15,479
Speaker 5: No, And I think you put that well as usual,

2196
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,559
Speaker 5: But for me, as the non fighter in the room,

2197
01:46:17,600 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 5: I would put it back to you and say, dude,

2198
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,200
Speaker 5: he was on the point of exhaustion, if not a

2199
01:46:22,280 --> 01:46:24,360
Speaker 5: fucking heart attack at the end of round three and

2200
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:27,080
Speaker 5: then went through round four and didn't get finished. So

2201
01:46:27,640 --> 01:46:29,520
Speaker 5: part of me is like a start back.

2202
01:46:29,360 --> 01:46:31,000
Speaker 4: And if I have a heart attack in the middle

2203
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:32,840
Speaker 4: of a fight, I fucking deserve it. I didn't train

2204
01:46:32,880 --> 01:46:33,400
Speaker 4: hard enough.

2205
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:35,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, fair, I'll give you the last Yeah on that.

2206
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,719
Speaker 5: I'll give you the last word on that. Domina Cruz

2207
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 5: with us live on the Anakimploran podcast here on a Sunday.

2208
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:42,680
Speaker 5: Thank you all for joining us on YouTube after the

2209
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:47,120
Speaker 5: fact on the DraftKings Network. So, I oftentimes talk about

2210
01:46:47,160 --> 01:46:49,800
Speaker 5: what you did in twenty sixteen with the three title

2211
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:54,720
Speaker 5: fights you fought TJ. Dillashaw in January successfully became a

2212
01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 5: two time UFC Bandabay champion, Then you defended the belt

2213
01:46:57,520 --> 01:46:59,960
Speaker 5: against Ryah Faber in June, and then promotionally they asked

2214
01:47:00,040 --> 01:47:04,080
Speaker 5: you to fight Cody Garbrandt in December. Now, you were

2215
01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:06,400
Speaker 5: very productive in the garbrand fight, even though you didn't

2216
01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,120
Speaker 5: win it. It was a close fight. He could barely

2217
01:47:08,240 --> 01:47:10,639
Speaker 5: walk up to our post fight set. But you oftentimes

2218
01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 5: talk about how much you bid off in that calendar year. Right,

2219
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:17,280
Speaker 5: And even though Morob Dwallish Willy seems to be this

2220
01:47:17,439 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 5: unique human being in a lot of physiological ways, he's

2221
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 5: trying to successfully defend this belt four times in a

2222
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:27,120
Speaker 5: calendar year and no UFC champion has ever even been

2223
01:47:27,200 --> 01:47:30,360
Speaker 5: given that opportunity. So what do you make of Marob

2224
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 5: Dwallish Willy trying to turn around here in four or

2225
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:34,439
Speaker 5: five weeks and do it again.

2226
01:47:35,240 --> 01:47:38,320
Speaker 4: Well, I'll do it in terms of a different sport

2227
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:41,320
Speaker 4: so that maybe some people can understand how.

2228
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:41,600
Speaker 7: I see it.

2229
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:44,719
Speaker 4: If you've got a football team that's a running team

2230
01:47:45,560 --> 01:47:47,160
Speaker 4: and all they do is run the ball and they

2231
01:47:47,240 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 4: never throw any passes, they're not going to have any

2232
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,719
Speaker 4: interceptions the entire and they're going to hit some record

2233
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,519
Speaker 4: because of that. Well, in fighting, if you're a grappler,

2234
01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:56,360
Speaker 4: you're not going to get hit a lot. You're not

2235
01:47:56,439 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 4: going to take a lot of damage. You're going to

2236
01:47:58,040 --> 01:48:00,640
Speaker 4: stay behind someone's back and ride them out, grind them out,

2237
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 4: and so you he has a style that could fight

2238
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:07,479
Speaker 4: five six times in a year because he's not taking damage.

2239
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:11,560
Speaker 4: He's so good at grappling. He's getting so close to

2240
01:48:11,640 --> 01:48:13,920
Speaker 4: the opponents, he's keeping them on the fence, he's staying

2241
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 4: he's staying on their back while they're standing. So there's

2242
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:19,559
Speaker 4: what are you going to do this? You can't hit them,

2243
01:48:20,240 --> 01:48:24,000
Speaker 4: and he's he's tight, and then he makes it exciting

2244
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:26,160
Speaker 4: because he keeps taking them down and lifting them and

2245
01:48:26,240 --> 01:48:28,840
Speaker 4: taking them down and lifting them. It's not like a normal,

2246
01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:32,400
Speaker 4: boring heavyweight wrestling match where they're just squeezing them. Like

2247
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 4: he's doing athletic active things. His takedowns look awesome. I

2248
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,200
Speaker 4: love Morab. I love what he's doing, and he's showing

2249
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:48,320
Speaker 4: a style that breaks records because he's not taking damage.

2250
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:50,120
Speaker 8: You know, I agree with you on that, domb. What

2251
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:52,040
Speaker 8: do you think about the training volume though? Does that

2252
01:48:52,120 --> 01:48:53,040
Speaker 8: eventually catch.

2253
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:53,320
Speaker 7: Up with him?

2254
01:48:53,800 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 4: That's what I was going to say next is he's

2255
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:58,439
Speaker 4: still got to do the training in camp, and he's

2256
01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,360
Speaker 4: doing all the camp work to be that good at wrestling,

2257
01:49:01,400 --> 01:49:03,800
Speaker 4: which is to me, wrestling is the hardest part of

2258
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:07,040
Speaker 4: the sport. Like the amount that he's grappling. His body

2259
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:10,559
Speaker 4: is extremely durable. He's very tough, and I have nothing

2260
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,120
Speaker 4: but respect for the work he's doing. Like it's a

2261
01:49:13,200 --> 01:49:15,320
Speaker 4: record for a reason to fight four times a year

2262
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 4: for a title, that's not. I know it's how difficult

2263
01:49:18,439 --> 01:49:20,680
Speaker 4: that is. So I tip my hat to him. The

2264
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 4: dude's stud he stayed healthy. I saw him recently at

2265
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:25,840
Speaker 4: the PI and I let him know how proud I

2266
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:29,560
Speaker 4: am that he's the next standing, defending, cleaning out the

2267
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 4: division style champion because he represents humanity, well, not fighting humanity.

2268
01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:37,240
Speaker 4: Like he's a good human he's got a good head

2269
01:49:37,240 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 4: on his shoulders. He doesn't say stupid stuff. He's not

2270
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:42,439
Speaker 4: out there getting in trouble with the law. He's just

2271
01:49:42,520 --> 01:49:43,120
Speaker 4: a cool dude.

2272
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:46,800
Speaker 6: Well, and you not just because you're a dear friend

2273
01:49:46,840 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 6: of mine.

2274
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:49,640
Speaker 5: I say this. You built the division, you put the

2275
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:52,400
Speaker 5: division on your back. You always said the right things,

2276
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 5: and you were stylistically challenged every step of the way.

2277
01:49:56,680 --> 01:49:59,920
Speaker 5: So it's really cool that you, you know, hold him

2278
01:50:00,080 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 5: in such high regard for the way he's sort of

2279
01:50:02,120 --> 01:50:03,439
Speaker 5: handled the division that you built.

2280
01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 4: I mean because of what you said, Like, that's how

2281
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 4: I look at a champion. A champion isn't just a

2282
01:50:08,240 --> 01:50:11,000
Speaker 4: good fighter, it's who are they as a human being

2283
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:13,800
Speaker 4: outside of the octagon. That's the hardest part about fighting

2284
01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:17,040
Speaker 4: is sports are a parallel to life. And that's why

2285
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 4: people can attach to sport is because they can live

2286
01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 4: their life and say, oh, he can do that in sport,

2287
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 4: I can do this in life. Well, Morob's showing what

2288
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:27,160
Speaker 4: a good human being in life looks like while also

2289
01:50:27,240 --> 01:50:29,800
Speaker 4: showing what a good human being as a champion looks like.

2290
01:50:30,160 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 4: And that's what I think the true mark of a

2291
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:34,360
Speaker 4: champion is is like, can you keep your life together

2292
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:36,599
Speaker 4: with all the fame and the fortune and the money,

2293
01:50:36,920 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 4: or do you fall off the deep end because your

2294
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 4: ego is so big that you can't even keep your

2295
01:50:40,840 --> 01:50:41,719
Speaker 4: head screwed on straight?

2296
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:42,160
Speaker 3: Right?

2297
01:50:42,240 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 4: He doesn't do that, and so that makes him a

2298
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:49,519
Speaker 4: real a real threat because he's disciplined and a real

2299
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:50,320
Speaker 4: champion to me.

2300
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:53,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got two more minutes here with Domina Cruz

2301
01:50:53,200 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 5: before I add, well, as much time as you have.

2302
01:50:56,320 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 5: I'm trying to be respectful, you know, I always try

2303
01:50:58,560 --> 01:51:02,679
Speaker 5: to keep talking to my friends. Well, no, of course,

2304
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:04,600
Speaker 5: and I could book you for thirty minutes, right, And

2305
01:51:05,160 --> 01:51:07,519
Speaker 5: you know, before you launched your own podcast, you know,

2306
01:51:07,600 --> 01:51:12,000
Speaker 5: we had talked about, you know, compensating you to be

2307
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:14,320
Speaker 5: a monthly recurring guest on this show, which actually is

2308
01:51:14,360 --> 01:51:16,320
Speaker 5: something we still could do in the future. Your number

2309
01:51:16,400 --> 01:51:18,360
Speaker 5: was a little bit too high last time we were negotiating.

2310
01:51:18,439 --> 01:51:19,000
Speaker 5: I'm just kidding.

2311
01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 6: But before I get to the Love and War podcasts,

2312
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:22,840
Speaker 6: can I ask you.

2313
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 5: Do you expect a short fight between Tom aspinall and

2314
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:29,400
Speaker 5: see it'll gone this week.

2315
01:51:30,240 --> 01:51:30,479
Speaker 3: I do.

2316
01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean when I watched the film, have you

2317
01:51:32,479 --> 01:51:35,920
Speaker 4: seen Tom Aspinhall's last like five fights, there's one.

2318
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:38,400
Speaker 5: Round there were one round, like yeah, crazy.

2319
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:41,559
Speaker 4: He's he's an animal, and and it's because he's rhythmic

2320
01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:45,200
Speaker 4: and the only other person who's on rhythm is Gone.

2321
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,000
Speaker 4: But he can't wrestle. It's just like, I'm not trying

2322
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 4: to be mean.

2323
01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:49,960
Speaker 5: There's right, Well, all right, I'll tell you.

2324
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:52,040
Speaker 4: I'll tell you the promoter side. I'll be a promoter,

2325
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,840
Speaker 4: surreal Gone. He moves so well, he hits hard. He's

2326
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:59,599
Speaker 4: really athletic, and he hits from both dances and man,

2327
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:02,240
Speaker 4: what a threat. And now I'll give you the analyst

2328
01:52:02,320 --> 01:52:05,360
Speaker 4: Tom Booth. Okay, he has no chance. He's gonna get guillotined,

2329
01:52:05,439 --> 01:52:07,559
Speaker 4: just like you did by John Jones getting a stuffed

2330
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:11,000
Speaker 4: in the corner beat to death. Well right, I mean

2331
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:13,080
Speaker 4: it's like, I mean, I could promote it and lie

2332
01:52:13,120 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 4: to you so that you watch the day review, or

2333
01:52:15,880 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 4: I could be an analyst and tell you the truth

2334
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:20,519
Speaker 4: of what's actually what I believe actually going to happen.

2335
01:52:20,840 --> 01:52:23,920
Speaker 4: But never forget people at home that when you hear

2336
01:52:24,040 --> 01:52:26,759
Speaker 4: both sides. That's what you're actually listening to. You're listening

2337
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 4: to a promotion and somebody who makes money off promoting,

2338
01:52:30,479 --> 01:52:33,360
Speaker 4: and then you're also listening to an analyst who doesn't

2339
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:34,559
Speaker 4: get paid for telling the truth.

2340
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 5: Well, no, and I think no. And that's a line

2341
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 5: that Kenny and I are constantly, you know, walking right

2342
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 5: up to and sometimes crossing. And for you on your podcast,

2343
01:52:45,680 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 5: you'll deal with that, right. There was a huge chunk

2344
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:50,600
Speaker 5: of time that Kenny was doing this podcast while he

2345
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:53,040
Speaker 5: was calling fights, and we tried to attack on this

2346
01:52:53,160 --> 01:52:56,120
Speaker 5: show over the last three weeks. Aspinall versus gone in

2347
01:52:56,920 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 5: a thoughtful way without painting some picture of an unrealistic change.

2348
01:53:01,200 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 5: Anything can happen in this sport. But in terms of

2349
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:07,320
Speaker 5: grappling and wrestling, Gap, you taught wrestling maintenance, right, I've

2350
01:53:07,360 --> 01:53:11,519
Speaker 5: heard this so many times. Wrestling and grappling maintenance is

2351
01:53:11,760 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 5: just like Henry Shuto. Don't the wrestling maintenance. It's fucking brutal,

2352
01:53:15,320 --> 01:53:18,680
Speaker 5: you know, brutal, and you know Morob's just doing it.

2353
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:21,559
Speaker 4: And and that's why he got beat He got beat

2354
01:53:21,600 --> 01:53:25,000
Speaker 4: by beat by Morob because he wasn't doing the maintenance

2355
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:26,880
Speaker 4: and he could see it in their fight, like he

2356
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,040
Speaker 4: was doing more stand up. It's hard to wrestle. And

2357
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 4: that's why I tip my hat to Marob he's doing that.

2358
01:53:31,400 --> 01:53:35,639
Speaker 5: Word all right. So if you had to send one

2359
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:38,759
Speaker 5: current UFC heavyweight in the octagon to beat Tom aspinall

2360
01:53:38,840 --> 01:53:40,400
Speaker 5: to like save Dojo's life, who you.

2361
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 6: Send it in there?

2362
01:53:41,400 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 5: I said, I might send Sergei Pavlovitch in there, just

2363
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:46,519
Speaker 5: because he has the fucking death touch. Some people might

2364
01:53:46,560 --> 01:53:49,880
Speaker 5: send Jaijilton Almeta undersize, but a very good grappler, Like

2365
01:53:50,080 --> 01:53:53,759
Speaker 5: I'm giving you one heavyweights right now on this roster,

2366
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 5: and I'm stalling for you. Aunte Delia his teammate, right,

2367
01:53:57,880 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 5: I mean.

2368
01:53:58,120 --> 01:54:01,120
Speaker 4: Who you own? Only John Jones?

2369
01:54:01,479 --> 01:54:03,559
Speaker 6: Right, And I don't know that he's acted. But isn't

2370
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:04,599
Speaker 6: that amazing, right.

2371
01:54:04,600 --> 01:54:07,799
Speaker 4: That only you know? Yeah, there's no there is nobody

2372
01:54:07,880 --> 01:54:10,000
Speaker 4: else that can threaten him, and there's nobody else that

2373
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:15,000
Speaker 4: can threaten John Jones. That's why John Jones didn't fight exactly. Yeah, right,

2374
01:54:15,080 --> 01:54:18,559
Speaker 4: that's why it's it's a it's a imagine a blemish

2375
01:54:18,600 --> 01:54:22,400
Speaker 4: on John Jones' career. His his ego couldn't handle it.

2376
01:54:24,200 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it sounds to me like tom Aspinall

2377
01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,200
Speaker 5: should be minus one thousand based upon the way I

2378
01:54:29,280 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 5: talk to people, and not.

2379
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:33,240
Speaker 4: I hope John Jones. I would hope John Jones beats

2380
01:54:33,320 --> 01:54:36,080
Speaker 4: him and then just goes out, you know what I mean,

2381
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 4: as the greatest ever, because that would be so that's

2382
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:41,440
Speaker 4: how impressive it would be if he could beat Aspinall.

2383
01:54:41,560 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 4: I don't think I think Aspinall would get him. So

2384
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:46,400
Speaker 4: if he went out there and beat him with hit,

2385
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:48,840
Speaker 4: with who he is and his his fight IQ and

2386
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:51,040
Speaker 4: the way he uses his teeth kit, he has all

2387
01:54:51,120 --> 01:54:53,240
Speaker 4: the tools. I'm never gonna say he doesn't.

2388
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:53,680
Speaker 3: He does.

2389
01:54:54,160 --> 01:54:56,440
Speaker 4: I just think that the size of Aspinall is so

2390
01:54:57,120 --> 01:54:59,720
Speaker 4: authentic to heavyweight that that would be the first time

2391
01:55:00,280 --> 01:55:01,200
Speaker 4: Jones has felt.

2392
01:55:01,080 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 7: That that's what a human being.

2393
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 3: Yep. All right.

2394
01:55:04,640 --> 01:55:08,160
Speaker 5: So when Kenny and I launched the Anakinflorm podcast in

2395
01:55:08,240 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 5: twenty fifteen, right, we're coming up on our eleven year

2396
01:55:10,840 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 5: anniversary in April, a lot of people told us there

2397
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 5: were already too many podcasts, right, And certainly you could

2398
01:55:15,320 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 5: argue that here eleven years later, But you are somebody

2399
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:23,280
Speaker 5: who fighters and non fighters and fans just gravitate towards

2400
01:55:23,440 --> 01:55:27,560
Speaker 5: because you just make things very ingestible, like even today,

2401
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:29,800
Speaker 5: I enjoy listening to you at the end of a

2402
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,560
Speaker 5: two hour podcast. Joe Rogan always says, as soon as

2403
01:55:32,560 --> 01:55:34,280
Speaker 5: I'm bored by a guest, I let them go. And

2404
01:55:34,520 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 5: I think people are constantly captivated by you. The question

2405
01:55:37,600 --> 01:55:40,880
Speaker 5: is what will the Love and War podcast be and

2406
01:55:41,280 --> 01:55:44,120
Speaker 5: how often will people actually be able to access this

2407
01:55:44,280 --> 01:55:45,880
Speaker 5: upcoming content? Do you know those answers?

2408
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:49,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm getting some in the chamber. I'm trying to

2409
01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:51,040
Speaker 4: get a little ahead so that we can keep pumping

2410
01:55:51,080 --> 01:55:52,920
Speaker 4: them out. But it's really just coming down to the

2411
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:56,080
Speaker 4: guests that are interested, right, It always to me comes

2412
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:58,080
Speaker 4: down to the guests because people want to hear from

2413
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 4: different different types of atmospheres, but also how I converse

2414
01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:02,760
Speaker 4: with them.

2415
01:56:03,280 --> 01:56:03,760
Speaker 3: Love and war.

2416
01:56:03,880 --> 01:56:07,160
Speaker 4: The reason why that is because it's the dichotomy, right,

2417
01:56:07,240 --> 01:56:09,880
Speaker 4: You cannot have one without the other, no matter what

2418
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 4: you want to say. If you have war, you don't

2419
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:14,040
Speaker 4: have war until you felt love. If you've had love,

2420
01:56:14,120 --> 01:56:16,560
Speaker 4: you don't know love until you've felt at war with somebody.

2421
01:56:16,920 --> 01:56:19,240
Speaker 4: And so I feel like when guests come on and

2422
01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:21,400
Speaker 4: when I'm in this life, I'm right in the middle

2423
01:56:21,400 --> 01:56:23,720
Speaker 4: of that trying to find the neutrality of how do

2424
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 4: I balance the two of them. And what's so interesting

2425
01:56:26,400 --> 01:56:28,120
Speaker 4: to me about the podcast is I get to ask

2426
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 4: questions of some of the biggest human beings in the

2427
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,240
Speaker 4: world of how they're balancing that themselves, because I can

2428
01:56:34,320 --> 01:56:36,920
Speaker 4: talk from experience myself. I did not balance it well

2429
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:40,360
Speaker 4: to become a world champion. I was not balanced at all.

2430
01:56:40,640 --> 01:56:44,640
Speaker 4: I was heavy war, zero love. And when I get

2431
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:48,680
Speaker 4: out of fighting, it goes, uh, oh, this isn't working anymore.

2432
01:56:49,080 --> 01:56:51,320
Speaker 4: Like we got to find some balance in this somewhere,

2433
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:56,400
Speaker 4: and I'm interested. I created this podcast to learn, not

2434
01:56:56,680 --> 01:57:00,160
Speaker 4: to you know, teach somebody some things. It's like in

2435
01:57:00,160 --> 01:57:02,880
Speaker 4: a different phase of my life where I'm outside of

2436
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:06,800
Speaker 4: this only war. You know, life looks different when there's

2437
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:08,920
Speaker 4: not a constant threat of somebody trying to kill you.

2438
01:57:09,360 --> 01:57:12,800
Speaker 4: And it might sound silly, but yeah, it's a real thing.

2439
01:57:13,200 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 4: Like it kind of clears the fog out of the

2440
01:57:15,720 --> 01:57:17,400
Speaker 4: air and you you pop your head out and you go,

2441
01:57:17,440 --> 01:57:20,120
Speaker 4: oh wow, I don't need to really worry about that,

2442
01:57:20,480 --> 01:57:22,240
Speaker 4: And it feels weird to not have to work.

2443
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:23,760
Speaker 7: There's a whole new world out there.

2444
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:26,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, And so the podcast.

2445
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:30,800
Speaker 4: Allows me to, you know, ask some questions about how

2446
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 4: people do that and what interests them. I just had

2447
01:57:33,720 --> 01:57:36,360
Speaker 4: Travis Barker on. It was an incredible conversation with him

2448
01:57:36,440 --> 01:57:39,960
Speaker 4: on how he's done that through plane crashes and the

2449
01:57:40,160 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 4: tours that he does and he's got kids, and it's

2450
01:57:43,240 --> 01:57:45,800
Speaker 4: super interesting stuff to listen to people of how they

2451
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,680
Speaker 4: find that balance and it just it excites me.

2452
01:57:49,440 --> 01:57:51,760
Speaker 5: Well, we look forward to the Love and War podcast

2453
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 5: from DONALDA. Cruz, the former UFC two Tom Bantamway champion

2454
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:56,560
Speaker 5: and future Hall of Famer. We look forward to seeing

2455
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:59,040
Speaker 5: Ken Flow featured as a guest coming up. And yeah,

2456
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:02,120
Speaker 5: you were completely unhinged in your prime as a champion,

2457
01:58:02,160 --> 01:58:02,880
Speaker 5: but it worked, you know.

2458
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,760
Speaker 4: Well, I mean we're all kind of unhinged, but yeah,

2459
01:58:07,280 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 4: it was a permission. I always gave myself permission to

2460
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:13,920
Speaker 4: be the darkest depths of my soul on those weeks

2461
01:58:13,960 --> 01:58:16,640
Speaker 4: of fighting, because you don't get a lot of blessings

2462
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:18,560
Speaker 4: to let that out. And thank God for the UFC

2463
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:21,200
Speaker 4: to give us a platform. Remember this, if you're in

2464
01:58:21,320 --> 01:58:24,400
Speaker 4: school and you fought somebody, where did you get sent

2465
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:28,000
Speaker 4: to the principles of this when you get when you're

2466
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:30,520
Speaker 4: in the middle of a traffic altercation and someone cuts

2467
01:58:30,600 --> 01:58:32,080
Speaker 4: you off and you get out and beat the shit

2468
01:58:32,120 --> 01:58:33,320
Speaker 4: out of them, and then get in your car and

2469
01:58:33,360 --> 01:58:35,840
Speaker 4: go home. What happens to you You go to jail

2470
01:58:36,280 --> 01:58:39,080
Speaker 4: when you're at the DMV and the lady just does

2471
01:58:39,120 --> 01:58:40,879
Speaker 4: not want to move you and you slap the shit.

2472
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:41,080
Speaker 3: Out of her.

2473
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 4: You're going to jail, Like these are things that you

2474
01:58:44,240 --> 01:58:47,360
Speaker 4: have to keep your temper in the real world and

2475
01:58:47,480 --> 01:58:50,880
Speaker 4: keep things okay. Well, all of a sudden, they created

2476
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:54,440
Speaker 4: a sport where everything that's illegal and wrong is now allowed,

2477
01:58:55,280 --> 01:58:56,800
Speaker 4: and it's like everybody's cheering for it.

2478
01:58:56,920 --> 01:58:58,120
Speaker 5: Whoo yay, yay.

2479
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like, hold on second, something's off. I'm gonna

2480
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:04,840
Speaker 4: have to unlock some dark depths of my soul that

2481
01:59:05,200 --> 01:59:07,080
Speaker 4: all of the world's been telling me not to let

2482
01:59:07,120 --> 01:59:09,320
Speaker 4: out since I was a kid in order to be

2483
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,600
Speaker 4: what I need to be to kill this other human being.

2484
01:59:11,840 --> 01:59:14,120
Speaker 4: People think, they roll their eyes and think that's a joke.

2485
01:59:14,160 --> 01:59:16,040
Speaker 4: I could have died in there. I could have killed

2486
01:59:16,080 --> 01:59:18,600
Speaker 4: somebody in there. How many people have died in boxing.

2487
01:59:19,120 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 4: It's happened multiple times. So regardless of people say they go, oh,

2488
01:59:23,560 --> 01:59:26,160
Speaker 4: it's a sport, No, it's a life and death match.

2489
01:59:26,240 --> 01:59:28,720
Speaker 4: It's just labeled the sports so that everybody can feel

2490
01:59:28,760 --> 01:59:30,280
Speaker 4: good about watching life and death.

2491
01:59:30,840 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, dude, Ryan, your derider almost died last night and

2492
01:59:33,400 --> 01:59:35,400
Speaker 5: people are stol So.

2493
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,000
Speaker 4: No, I didn't see I didn't see a quitter. I

2494
01:59:38,120 --> 01:59:40,720
Speaker 4: see somebody of what you're saying, ran out of gas,

2495
01:59:41,120 --> 01:59:44,080
Speaker 4: had nothing left, gave every ounce of his soul. But

2496
01:59:44,240 --> 01:59:46,280
Speaker 4: that's what he's gonna go back and turn the knife about.

2497
01:59:46,400 --> 01:59:48,760
Speaker 4: Is man, Everything I gave to can't put me in

2498
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:52,120
Speaker 4: that position, and he's gonna twist and what could I

2499
01:59:52,160 --> 01:59:55,120
Speaker 4: have done different? You can't. You can't bash people like

2500
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,360
Speaker 4: that like he just did everything he could have done.

2501
01:59:57,400 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 4: The poor guy, he just wasn't enough that day. He'll

2502
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:03,840
Speaker 4: make the adjustments. He'll come back. He's him. How many

2503
02:00:03,920 --> 02:00:05,440
Speaker 4: fights he's had, He's going to be fine.

2504
02:00:05,920 --> 02:00:09,160
Speaker 5: Well, next time you face crank me and put all

2505
02:00:09,200 --> 02:00:11,520
Speaker 5: that cranial pressure on me in a hotel room, I'm

2506
02:00:11,600 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 5: calling the police and you'll go for.

2507
02:00:13,240 --> 02:00:15,880
Speaker 6: Us all because it's not allowed. Hey, at DONALDA.

2508
02:00:15,920 --> 02:00:17,960
Speaker 5: Cruz if you want to follow this man, any idea

2509
02:00:18,040 --> 02:00:19,760
Speaker 5: when a launch date for Love and War podcasts?

2510
02:00:19,760 --> 02:00:20,760
Speaker 6: Are we not quite there yet?

2511
02:00:21,120 --> 02:00:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2512
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:24,560
Speaker 4: It's coming in the next by towards the end of October,

2513
02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:26,960
Speaker 4: beginning of November, we're going to start launching.

2514
02:00:27,280 --> 02:00:28,880
Speaker 5: All right, buddy, we appreciate the time.

2515
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:32,120
Speaker 4: The rest of the time, I appreciate you later.

2516
02:00:33,320 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 5: Future Hall of Famer DONALDA. Cruz with us here on

2517
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 5: the Aniconfloring Podcast. You wonder if the class of twenty

2518
02:00:38,400 --> 02:00:40,320
Speaker 5: twenty six might include DONALDA.

2519
02:00:40,360 --> 02:00:40,680
Speaker 3: Cruz.

2520
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:42,560
Speaker 5: You just never know. All we got to get on

2521
02:00:42,640 --> 02:00:45,880
Speaker 5: out of here. Thanks to d Cruz, thanks to Ray Longo,

2522
02:00:45,960 --> 02:00:49,880
Speaker 5: Brian Petrie, Jason Annik, our producer Cody Merrow, and thanks

2523
02:00:49,960 --> 02:00:53,600
Speaker 5: to Duke Rufus for your myriad contributions to mixed martial arts.

2524
02:00:53,840 --> 02:00:56,440
Speaker 5: You have made an indelible impact and I do think

2525
02:00:57,320 --> 02:01:02,360
Speaker 5: as the Hall of Fame of gradually rounds into form

2526
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:05,920
Speaker 5: and coaches or acknowledged as contributors, Duke Rufus would be

2527
02:01:05,920 --> 02:01:09,480
Speaker 5: a guy that would absolutely be heard from. So Duke Rufus,

2528
02:01:09,560 --> 02:01:12,480
Speaker 5: this one's for you. Thanks to Kent Flow and everybody

2529
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:14,960
Speaker 5: for listening and watching. Enjoy UFC three twenty one and

2530
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:17,840
Speaker 5: we are back next Monday to recap the piss out

2531
02:01:17,880 --> 02:01:21,160
Speaker 5: of it with all of you fine folks. Until then,

2532
02:01:21,360 --> 02:01:23,360
Speaker 5: for Kent Flum, John and thanks for watching. We'll talk

2533
02:01:23,360 --> 02:01:23,840
Speaker 5: to you next week.

2534
02:01:23,880 --> 02:01:27,760
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