1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,200 Speaker 1: Why from our nations. This budget thing is going to 2 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:05,600 Speaker 1: do nothing with space forces. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Politics colliding, sound on with Kevin's related the insiders, the influencers, 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: the insiders. I would rather see a congressional solution. It's 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,439 Speaker 1: part of my DNA. The Senate map in looks a 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: lot different than it looked in. You really have a 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:26,119 Speaker 1: divide within Team Trump. The president has to do exactly 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 1: what people send him here to do, which is to 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: get it done. He's sound on with Kevin's relate on 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: Bloomberg one m h D two Boltemore Breaking news fireworks 12 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:40,640 Speaker 1: now is the New York Times reporting that the Trump 13 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: administration is dropping an effort to add citizenship question to 14 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: the sets. Big win for the business community. We will 15 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: break down the policy implications, the political implications, what it 16 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: means for the President's immigration fight. As this story, which 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: just the headlines cross sing the Bloomberg terminal literally within 18 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: the last several minutes. This again breaking news with the 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: Trump administration dropping an effort to add the citizenship question 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: to the twenty census. We have an all star panel 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: to help break that down Republican strategist Sarai Kim, Democratic 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 1: strategist Dave Brown, plus Senator Kamala Harris. The polls are out. 23 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: She's climbed to number two. Good or bad news for Biden. 24 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: We will also dive into that before we get into 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: a jam packed hour. Let's first breaking news crossing the 26 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:39,600 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal as we speak, literally filing at just eight 27 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:42,399 Speaker 1: seven minutes ago, the Federal Appeals Court in New York 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: UH said that there is going to be a subpoena 29 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: of the bank records regarding President Trump's UH President Trump's 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: tax returns. There's also breaking news tonight that the US 31 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 1: is planning to drop the fight to add the census 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: citizenship questions, according to the State of New York. According 33 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: to Eric Larson and Greg Stores reporting on the Bloomberg Terminal, 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: the Trump administration is abandoning it's hard fought plan to 35 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: add a citizenship question to the census after the U. S. 36 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court questioned, it's just a fitate. Here to break 37 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 1: down the policy, the politics, Seri Kim, Republican strategist, Democratic 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: strategist Dave Brown, Sarah, I'll start with you. The presently 39 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: made the case that this question was needed to ask 40 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: on the census whether or not an individual is a U. S. 41 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Citizen in order to to find out how many folks 42 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: are here illegally. Why drop it? I mean he's conceding 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: that he wasn't gonna wins. It's not that he's conceding 44 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna win. It's an important question, but the 45 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: Census is comprised of hundreds of questions, and also the 46 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: sentence census is used as an indicase for numerous numbers 47 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: such as unemployment, medicare, Medicaid, so on and so forth. 48 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: And so the most critical element of the census is 49 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: it needs to be completed. It needs to get out 50 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: the door into the hands of people who can actually 51 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: get the numbers and do the pulling. And it's going 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: by my friends, a friend of the program. But this 53 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: is a flip flop. I mean he's pulling out. He's saying, 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: you know, he spent all this time to tweets. The 55 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: Republican Party, they're all saying, we've got to have this question. 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: It's a way to figure out how many illegal immigrants 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: are here. And now they just say, up, you know what, 58 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: we change your mind again. It's one out of hundreds 59 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: of questions that's being asked in the United States. Sentiments 60 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: and the economic numbers are just as important. I mean, 61 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: the bureautistics months ago. They did realize this months ago. 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: It's always in fight. But there's a drop down deadline 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: when you have to put the bodies on the ground 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: and actually start asking the questions. These census numbers have 65 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: to go out at certain point. We have to analyze it, 66 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: we have to aggregate it, we have to put it out. 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: That's why it's called census. Last time I did last 68 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: time I did a census, I was at Penn State University, 69 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: kid in college. Ten years later. Look where we are, 70 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: old are you now in? I mean, look, you're gonna 71 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: claim Victor read that. You're gonna say, see that we 72 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: told you so. Go ahead, Well, I mean I agree 73 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: with everything that Sarah just said. And it would add 74 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: the shoe. There's a legal requirement here and they and 75 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: they have a deadline and either you you you meet 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: the deadline or you don't. And you know the fact 77 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: that the court looked at the totality of the record 78 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: and they found the just overt political pretext for why 79 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: they wanted to add this question, I think I think 80 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: the administration's lawyers, I suspect they rightly surmised just wasn't 81 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: going to be a winnable fight for them, given to 82 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: Sarah's point, the extraordinary complexity. I mean, if you think 83 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 1: about when we start planning for the Census, you know, 84 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: census is years in the making, and so not surprisingly 85 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: this is an administration is already behind the eight ball. 86 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: But no, I think this was unwinnable. This was an 87 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: unwinnable one for them. So the business community hated this 88 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: because you know, big business, small business, medium sized business, 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 1: no business like this. Why because they said that it 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: would skew the economic data of folks not participating in 91 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: this and a lot of the series you know point 92 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: here which I'm not sure why she didn't make it 93 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago and we talked about this. 94 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: You didn't have me on the show a couple of months. 95 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: I'm being rude, I'm being a bad host. But but 96 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: the business community was really helpful force, and they said 97 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,719 Speaker 1: that this that businesses who do this, they really do 98 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: rely on the Census for data. You want to know 99 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: that the that the chief scientists at the Census Bureau. 100 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: You want to know how many how many people do 101 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: you think would not fill out the census according to 102 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: the chief scientists at the U S Census Bureau, And 103 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: it has to be if this question was on there, 104 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: it has to be a fairly high number. I would 105 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: like at least above fifty two million people. Two million 106 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: people representing about six two million households. I apologize, two 107 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: million households representing about six point five million people would 108 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: fail to respond to the census questionnaire if this question 109 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: was on there. Wow, big breaking news again. If you're 110 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: just joining us, I'm Kevin's really chief Washington correspondent for 111 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg TV and Radio. Sarah Kim's here, friend of the program, 112 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:08,359 Speaker 1: Republican strategist. She previously worked in the Obama in the 113 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:12,479 Speaker 1: Trump White House, as well as for darryl Issa back 114 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives when he was Chairman of 115 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: the Oversight Committee. And Dave Brown is here previously working 116 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: for Senator Patty Murray. Before the show, they were saying 117 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 1: that they used to go back and forth. You know, 118 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: he's on one side of the aisle, she's on the other. 119 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 1: They're battling in the halls of Congress. Now he's an 120 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: emagic strategist. The breaking news tonight the Trump administration and 121 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:36,719 Speaker 1: abandoning it's hard fought plan to add a citizenship question 122 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: twenty census after the Supreme Court rejected and questioned rather 123 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: question it's justification coming up. We're gonna have much more 124 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 1: on the policy fallout of all of this, plus the 125 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: immigration debate. This was an immigration issue for President Trump, 126 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: and the feld is truthfully out in full force against 127 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: the President's immigration policies. I'll bring you the latest numbers 128 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: on the polls. It's good news for Senator Kamala Harris, 129 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: really good news for Senator Kamala Harris, the Democrat in California. 130 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: After that breakout performance at the first debate last week, 131 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: Joe setstacks calling him remember him the former p A congressman, 132 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:16,559 Speaker 1: the Admiral Joe Sestak didn't make it on the debate stage, 133 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: but he says he's running for president anyway, and he 134 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: wants to get on that second debate stage. I'm Kevin Sirelli. 135 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: You can download the sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, 136 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg dot Com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: You can also find me on I Heart Radio, Spotify 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: and Radio dot Com. You're listening to Bloomberg one. You're 139 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: listening to Sound On with Kevin Surreally on Bloomberg one 140 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven f m h D two, Baltimore. 141 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: He started and created a crisis of executive action. I 142 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: will end it with executive action doing things that reflect 143 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,040 Speaker 1: our values. Right now as weeks there are expecting mothers, 144 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: nursing mom's, elderly, for vulnerable populations being held in detention 145 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: unnecessarily doing permanent damage to children. Senator Corey Booker, Democrat 146 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: from New Jersey, Democratic presidential candidate, talking earlier about his 147 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: immigration plan, all the Democrats coming out with various immigration proposals, 148 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: virtually all of them saying that one of the things 149 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: that they would do to reverse course on these child 150 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: attention centers is to use executive orders or eos as 151 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: they're called. The immigration issue has captured the attention, the 152 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: nightmares really of both Republicans and Democrats, especially as we're 153 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: just you know, about to celebrate the fourth of July. 154 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 1: It's also upended the Democrat presidential primary field. We're gonna 155 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: dive into that with an all star panel. Sarah Kim 156 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: is a Republican strategist, Dave Brown is a Democratic strategist, 157 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and I'm Kevin's really chief Washington courseponit for Bloomberg TV 158 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 1: and Radio Serai. Why can't they just handle Why can't 159 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: the White House? You've worked there, Why can't they just 160 00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: handle the issue of these childhood of these child detention facilities? 161 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: I mean Senator Corey Booker as well as the Democratic 162 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: Party seems to not understand American history. Ever since Ellis Island, 163 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: there has always been a detention center. People are held 164 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: for various issues, and particularly the Democratic Party fails to 165 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: remember that as shortly as four years ago, President Obama's 166 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: putting families from Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador in detention 167 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: centers in Texas and Pennsylvania, and there was a mandatory 168 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: that all thirty five thousand beds be filled with illegal immigrants. 169 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: President Trump and his administration has never ever done that. 170 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 1: So the Democratic Party has a selective morality that when 171 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,280 Speaker 1: President Trump wants to go after immigration, they go after him, 172 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: and they see he is immoral and un American. Yet 173 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 1: when President Obama has mandatory minimums, the democ prior Party 174 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: praises President Obama. Alright, so say now I really do 175 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: disagree with you. I mean, look that reality is President 176 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: Obama never tore kids away from their parents, and you 177 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: and I both know that that's exactly what your your 178 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: former administration's policy was. Jeff Sessions came out and said, 179 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: we are going to intentionally separate children from their parents 180 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: because we want this deterrent. And so the fact that 181 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: we now have these camps and call them whatever you want, 182 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: but these squalid conditions where children are still separated, babies 183 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: are still separated from their moms and dads, and the 184 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: government doesn't even know how to reunite them with their 185 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: parents because it's such a cluster down at the border. 186 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: Part of my language that is un American by any standards, 187 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: certainly the America that I know. That defies morality and 188 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: it is it is an absolute disgrace for anyone who 189 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 1: defends How do we fix this? Because I'm not going 190 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: to do the whole let me ask my question, how 191 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: do we fix this? Because this rhetoric, this this heightened rhetoric, 192 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,199 Speaker 1: is not going to solve the terrible conditions in these 193 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: in these detention facilities. I don't think AOC usage of 194 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,079 Speaker 1: the word concentration camps contributes to a compromise. And I 195 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: wouldn't call them concentration camps. You said, call them what 196 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: they want. I would not call them. That's your prerogative, 197 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: my friend. I would call them an American and you 198 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: call them concentration. I would call them interming camps. That's 199 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: what they are right now. They aren't interming. See what 200 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: we're doing it, we're taking the bad away. So there 201 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: are three solutions. First and foremost, you have to reform 202 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: IRA IRA. The last time the United States Congress actually 203 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: did and anything comprehensive about immigration wrong. Reagan was in 204 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: office and we were all in elementary school. I think 205 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: it's time for the United States comes to seriously address, 206 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, the issues that are in front of them too. 207 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: We have to ensure that America, Honduras, El Salvador, and 208 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: these type of countries that are at the southern border 209 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: of Mexico have economies that can can uh sustain themselves. 210 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: But he ran on the notion that he was going 211 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: to be able to if as a Mr. Fix It. 212 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: I don't understand. If you're at home, if you're watching 213 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: this on the news every night, you're getting home from work, 214 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: you're in your car, you see these images of a 215 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 1: father and as a child and their and their. Of course, 216 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand why Nancy Pelosi and President Trump can't 217 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: get on the phone and see, you know what, here's 218 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the money fix this situation with these child camps. I 219 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: don't think I'll take I'll take a shot of that. 220 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: And by the way, I think Kevin's enjoying this Devil's 221 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: advocate back and forth here. He's so animated right now. 222 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 1: So I so I now agree with Sarah yet again 223 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: on the point about foreign aid two two key countries. 224 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: We're not going to ever solve long term the immigration 225 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: issue unless we stabilize countries than reading. But to answer 226 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: your question, serves as a path in a bipartisan Senate, 227 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 1: and Saray and I were both serving staff then a 228 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,959 Speaker 1: bipartisan Senate passed a comprehensive of immigration bill. The reason 229 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: that bill failed is because then Speaker Bayner wasn't able 230 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: to marshal enough conservative Republicans. But there is a path, 231 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: a proven path. So I have to solve for dreamers, 232 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: and I think you have to solve for I agree 233 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,680 Speaker 1: with reforming the Immigration Act, and you have to also 234 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: drew to see slid question, which is a major, major question. 235 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: But let me just let me make one more point. 236 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: I would pulled up numbers on how much Donald Trump 237 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 1: is spending his campaign is spending on Facebook and Google 238 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: just in June alone. Guess what the number one issue 239 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: from them is. Well, one of the number one issues 240 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: immigration there dropping three k on digital spend. This is 241 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: an issue they think they can win on. So you're 242 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: not going to see but this is something. But this 243 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: is look immigration. The parties are worlds apart, but on 244 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: the issue of these child detention facilities, there is there 245 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: is the agreement that the conditions need to improve. So 246 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: what I truthfully do not understand as a journalist, no 247 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: matter what party I am interviewing, is why they can't 248 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: get a quick fix. They've done it in rapid response. 249 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: They've done it for a hurricane relief. They've done it 250 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: from the time there's a natural disaster. They've done it. 251 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: The government has done it in the past. There is 252 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: a way to do it. And what I don't understand 253 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,199 Speaker 1: sari truthfully, and I don't want to go down comprehensive immigration, 254 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: why can't there be a short term, fixed immediate, because 255 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 1: government doesn't work immediately except to cut a check. You 256 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: can't cut a check for four point eight billion dollars 257 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: in higher fifteen thousand more immigration officials to work at 258 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: the border, to both take care of the illegal immigrants 259 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: crossing over the border in two thousand one more people 260 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: to build another two thousand miles worth of wall. It 261 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: doesn't happen in a day. It's a policy that has 262 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: been broken since ira Ira and policy to separate kids. Why, 263 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: knowing what your policy, you have a selective morality in 264 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party that chooses to heighten and elevate the 265 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: status of illegal migrant children as opposed to illegal children 266 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 1: here and are silent under the law you cited. They 267 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: have a legal right to apply for silm. Yes, they do. 268 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: Actually an issue that we're going to keep talking about. 269 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: It's an issue that that's so heightened. And again, the 270 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: breaking news tonight the Trump administration abandoning a hard fall 271 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: plan to add a citizenship question to the census after 272 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: the U. S. Supreme Court questioned it's justification. It's a 273 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: reversal for the administration. It's uh, just a data POINTUS 274 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: immigrations immigration policy coming up, We're gonna hear from Joe Sestak. 275 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: He's brought in for president. He's running for president. Admiral 276 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Joe former Pennsylvania congressman, actually a former DELCA where I'm from, congressman. 277 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: He's gonna call in and check in. Sarah Kim stays, 278 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: Dave Brown stays. I'm Kevin Cirelli. You can download the 279 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, 280 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 1: or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 281 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: find me on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. 282 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. You're listening to Sound On with 283 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: Kevin Sireli on Bloomberg one and one oh five point 284 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: seven f M h D two Boltomore. I'm Kevin Cerelli, 285 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. Joining 286 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: us on the line, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Sessak, the admiral, 287 00:16:04,760 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: the admirals on the line, my former congressman actor from 288 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: my neck of the woods, delt Go, Delaware County, Pennsylvania 289 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: Congressman candidate Setsack. Appreciate you coming on all right? How 290 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: are you going to get on the debate stage at 291 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: this in Detroit. Well, first of all, Kevin, thanks for 292 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: having me aboard and thanks for being another fellow del 293 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: Go boy. Yeah, I try, I try. Our strategy is 294 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: not necessarily to be on in the July. You know, 295 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: I arrived out here Saturday night, and uh, I couldn't 296 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: get into this race earlier because, as you may well know, 297 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: my daughter's brain cancer had come back. Uh that's why 298 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: I got into politics initially back in two thousands and 299 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: prive and six, because I took care of her and 300 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: got out of the military and came back to Delco. 301 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: And you've probably heard me say, I'm running a national 302 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: security I'm a Navy admiral, but national security begins at 303 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: home and health security. This is different. I didn't get 304 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: in because of that. So we're aiming towards the least Fixtember, 305 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: and that we think is good because there's a lot 306 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: of hands to shake out here and sometimes there are 307 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: distant places as you go through the cornfield, and but 308 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 1: you hit the major cities and the great people. But 309 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of to do besides just get on 310 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: that debate stage. Because you already see some of them 311 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: are dropping out or potentially So that's what kind of 312 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: our initial UH market you asked me about. And then 313 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 1: in terms of national security, just over the weekend, there 314 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: were so many developments geo politically. Let's start with North Korea. 315 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: How would how would a presidents says tack UH deal 316 00:17:33,359 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: with the threat of a nuclear North Korea? Well, if 317 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: how would I accept them two years ago when this 318 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: president came in is a little different than I have 319 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: to today. I think there's engagement with North Korea is 320 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: a positive thing. How he went about it is not 321 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,200 Speaker 1: a very good thing. You do not go into negotiation, 322 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,760 Speaker 1: whether it's with President Z of China or with this 323 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: despo who actually uses wild dogs to chew up prisoners 324 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: in prison, UH into it without a strategy and without 325 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: something to accomplish. They should not have need to the weapons. However, 326 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: they have put us in such a position there are 327 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 1: now about forty or so warheads that he has that 328 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: trying to get them gone is not gonna be happening 329 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: by saying I'm getting loved notes from the North Korean leader. 330 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: So what we have to do is bring together quite frankly, Japan, Korea, 331 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: Russia and China and make sure that there's d there 332 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: is actually a stalemate right now, and we have to 333 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: bring together them to say this ain't safe for you, 334 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 1: and it isn't safe for us. There's no other way 335 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,000 Speaker 1: to go about it except to try to at least 336 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: get no more building of nuclear weapons. That's about the 337 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: best we can do for the position he's put us in. 338 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,959 Speaker 1: But let's go to the other side of the world. Iran. 339 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's unforgivable that America has broken its 340 00:18:52,040 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: word deal with Iran that they kept. There's America's greatest powers, 341 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 1: its power to convene, to bring to the nations and 342 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: people to the world for common cause. And that's what 343 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: we did. We disarmed Iran of its nuclear weapon capability, 344 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: which we haven't done with North Korea, but we did 345 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: with them, and we did it not by war. We 346 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: did by economics thanks in England, with Russia and China 347 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: and brought in to the table and removed it from there. 348 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,479 Speaker 1: You know, now we're on the custom war, and so 349 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: this is not the way to go about convening the 350 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: world for our betterment. Joe Sessex on the line. He's 351 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,399 Speaker 1: running for president. He is a previous Pennsylvania congressman in 352 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, also a former former Navy admiral, having 353 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 1: served in the Navy, I gotta ask you, when I'm 354 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: interviewing you, it's like it's night and day from your 355 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 1: TULSEI Gabbard, what do you think about the contrast of 356 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: Telsey Gabbard and really the the the the foreign policy 357 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 1: vision that you're espousing, and the contrast from someone like 358 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: a Tulsea Gabber. Well, I know Pulsey just because I 359 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: met her once on a street after I was out 360 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: of Congress, and I liked her, and I haven't really 361 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: followed her as closely as I might. The differences For me, 362 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: I think with anyone that's on the stage, it is 363 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: nothing as I serve. It's the depth and breath of 364 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: what I've done serving President Clinton as Director of Defense Policy, 365 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,000 Speaker 1: lead an aircraft garry battle group into war where we 366 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: convene the world. The Chinese, the Japanese were waiting for 367 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: us to become part of our international model. Kids from 368 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: all over the world were there, and I learned that 369 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: less than well when the Italian Minister of Defense said, 370 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: I think that we Italians the better lovers and warriors, 371 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: but Erica has an attack and for the Afghanistan and 372 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: we will be there and other dads are great, so 373 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,760 Speaker 1: are retreat from the world, telling our bruise allies left behind. 374 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: It's a rap. When you want to deal with climate change, 375 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: think about this. Saudi Arabia, we use as much energy 376 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: to power to air conditioning in one decade from now 377 00:20:56,320 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 1: as an exports in oil today. Not one excuse me, 378 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: Only two of a hundred nations in the Climate Change 379 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: Convention have met their commitment. Even if we were to 380 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: pass the Green New Deal be accomplished in a ten years, 381 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: all matter. It's all of the world doing it or 382 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: else that catastrophic threat will explode on us. So that's 383 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: one of the major reasons I'm running. There's one of 384 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: the one, but that's one of the major reasons i'm running. 385 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: You are you what about free college for all? Your 386 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,040 Speaker 1: for free college for all? Top? I'm sorry? Go ahead? 387 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: Are you for a free college for all? For medicare 388 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: for all? Where are you on the on those issues? 389 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: Let's walk through the issues then, okay, I'll tell you 390 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: what I'm for. I'm for decreasing the loan rate. So, 391 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: for example, the US say we are going to federal 392 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: governments to make a hundred twenty seven billion dollars this 393 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: decade off the student loans because they have it based 394 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: on ten year Treasury bond and make the profit reduce 395 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: that and save a lot of money. Second, at least 396 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: almost excuse me, hypot of, all students change colleges during 397 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: their time in college, and yet only five percent half 398 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 1: of their college of courses that they try to transfer 399 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: other colleges, they will not be accepted because it's a business. 400 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 1: Chose those things that you really focus on what the 401 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 1: working American also needs. I am for as you'll see 402 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: on my website where we had in the military training 403 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: for a lifetime. Think about it. We spend left in 404 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: the United States of America on labor training than any 405 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,119 Speaker 1: developed nations point zero zero one of gross domestic product. 406 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 1: Look in the military, when the F sixteen goes away, 407 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 1: were like in the Air Force, we do not kick 408 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: that person out of a job like we do when 409 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: a guy loses his job as a coal miner. And 410 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: so what we do is you say, you're going to 411 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: go to the largest commanage in the nation, the United 412 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: States Air Force Community College learning the new We acquire 413 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: a new skill, and now you're doing the F twenty 414 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: two in America, we just kick them out. But we 415 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 1: have to do is have a new commitment in this nation, 416 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: public and private. That actually it's all my website that 417 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 1: want of billions of get moved down this road and 418 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: in my book to restore the American dream. And so 419 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 1: what we need to do for the blue collar worker 420 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: who has to use brains and hands, because we need 421 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: to make sure when they're laid off in this rapidly 422 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: changing world, they are ready with to be able to 423 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: get a new hear you, because one third of all 424 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: small businesses say that they don't have the skilled work 425 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: course to do it. That's where my major focus is 426 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 1: as I work on those two other ones to reduce 427 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: college and we got we got, we got nine seconds left. 428 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: So so I apologize to Okay, when my daughter's brain 429 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: cancer came back. Sorry, Can I go ahead? I'm not 430 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: going to cut you off on that point. Go ahead, Okay. 431 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: I'm just saying there's two wanted to five million Americans 432 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: who have some form of private health care. I know 433 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: I'm for a public option. I voted for it when 434 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: I was Congress to the Senate. Didn't removed it because 435 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 1: they don't have the to stand up to the pharmaceutical 436 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: industry and health insure it. But it's a transition of 437 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: choice and will prove itself like the v A. If 438 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: you get in the v A single payer, it's great, 439 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: but I don't want like to have somebody like would 440 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 1: have happened to me that even though I'm even though 441 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: it's military, is great to a private healthcare plan. We 442 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: we didn't want to have our healthcare ripped out in 443 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,919 Speaker 1: two or four years. You made a sation of choice 444 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: towards it, and then you approve itself as you go 445 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: down the road. You know what, Joe, what's one more? 446 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: I say, get on the stage just because you know 447 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 1: I like, what what's one more? So? I mean, I 448 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: know you're saying it doesn't matter if you're on in 449 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: Detroit next month, but you know best a lucky out 450 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: in Iowa. I mean, keep us up to spite. You know, 451 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate love to be back, but I have to 452 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: leave you one last thing, the last most poor thing. 453 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: I'm running on his accountability above part of the people 454 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: above party above self in a many special interest represented 455 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:47,439 Speaker 1: to to one Republican district and get reelected without a 456 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: spending a dime on the campaign ad so that if 457 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 1: we do notunite Americans again, we can't meet the defining 458 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: challenge of our time. Thanks for having me aboard. Alright, 459 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: Joe Sas back to everybody, former Pennsylvania Congressman, he's running 460 00:24:59,880 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: for Resident uh in the campaign trail. Coming up, panel 461 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: reacts Dave Brown, Serry, Kim, I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening 462 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. This is sound on with Kevin si really 463 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,399 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg one and one oh five point seven of 464 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: m HD to Baltimore. Republic is welcome to come and 465 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: celebrate our great country, the greatest democracy, the Constitution, all 466 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: the amend is not just the first amountent that seems 467 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: to only interest you, only the Second Amendment, all the others, 468 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: but really just the birth of this country, the greatest 469 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: democracy they've ever lived. I'm gonna, I'm never about you 470 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: to politicize it. That was Kelly Ann Conway speaking earlier 471 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 1: today at the White House about the Fourth of July Parade. 472 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,880 Speaker 1: We're just a couple of days away from it, Big 473 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: Fourth of July. I'm Kevin Sireli, chief Washington correspondent for 474 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio broadcasting live from the nation's 475 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: capital side are Bloomberg, Washington, d C three. Kim's here. 476 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: She previously served in the administration. She's a Republican strategist. 477 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: She also previously served for Darryl Lisa on Oversight back 478 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: when he was Chairman of the Oversight Committee, and is 479 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: a is a a food and wine blogger, traveler right 480 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,440 Speaker 1: in your in your free time, right, Yes, I used 481 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: to be a full time food and travel writer for Time, 482 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,840 Speaker 1: INCA wrote for a travel leisure, food and wine magazine 483 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: and fifteen other outlets. Also did ABC, NBCCBS, Okay, Quick 484 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: Summer Got Away, First Trip, the Pops into Mind where 485 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: Shia folks go. Well, I just came back from Teblisi, 486 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: Georgia with the Sheraton and it was really fantastic. It 487 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: is the new Croatia and I highly recommend everything Georgia 488 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: like Georgia like I'm not sure as a Repelican I 489 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: can talk about the state of Georgia. Alright, alright, alright, 490 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,280 Speaker 1: fair point, fair point, alright. Dave Brown's here. He's a 491 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: Democrat strategist. He previously served with Senator Murray Patty. Wheren't 492 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: you grow up Dave Seattle. So what do you think 493 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: of Jay Insley. He's a good governor. It's a very 494 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 1: good governor. And I think he's he's got a really 495 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: important message on the environment. Will you make a good president? Yeah, 496 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at it, got a shot? Well, 497 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,439 Speaker 1: I don't know if he has a shot. It's a 498 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: crowd of film. I'm I'm not dumb enough to pick 499 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 1: a winner at this point. But if you look at 500 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 1: his tenure in Congress, and you look at his tenure 501 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: as a governor, he's been He's been really effective. What 502 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:21,199 Speaker 1: do you guys think of Joe Sestak he's running for 503 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: I mean, does he have a shot to any of 504 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 1: these lower tier candidates? Shot at all? Joe Sestak has 505 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: no chance of becoming president of the United States, and 506 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: he will also not be Secretary of State. And I 507 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 1: think for to one, he can't raise the money and 508 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: to his ideas aren't presented in such a way that 509 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880 Speaker 1: people believe any of it. But see, this is interesting 510 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 1: because folks said the same thing about Donald Trump. And 511 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: so I think now you've got like twenty plus candidates 512 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: running for president this new CNM pole. Did you get 513 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: did you see this pole the CNN poll. It shows 514 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 1: the top tier right now and Senator Kamala Harris. It 515 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: came out today. Senator Kamala Harris skyrocketed, I mean absolutely 516 00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: up nine percentage points since May. She's got seventy percent 517 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: of Democratic presidential voters. This poll was conducted between June 518 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: and June, so I want to check the calendar real quick. 519 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 1: June was a Friday, so this is after the debate. 520 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: Joe Biden's Joe Biden's Kamala Harris is at seventeen percent. 521 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 1: Joe Biden went downten points, Kamala Harris went up nine points. 522 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: Guess he's number three. Elizabeth Warren. Elizabeth Warren's got fifteen percent. 523 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: She's trending up. She's up eight points. Bernie Sanders is 524 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: at fourteen So Biden, Harris, Warren and Sanders all above 525 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: fourteen percent. Buddha, Gedge and Booker and O'Rourke and Klobachar 526 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,720 Speaker 1: all trending below five percent. The rest don't even barely register, 527 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: all right, So I look at this, Dave and I 528 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 1: add Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders support together and become 529 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: the top spot. And clearly they're jockeying for the same vote. Yeah, 530 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: I think that's spot on, Kevin. They are in and 531 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 1: frankly Sam worried because you're seeing an erosion off his 532 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: support and you're seeing Senator Warren very consistently rise over 533 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 1: over a number of polls. I was looking at the 534 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: Quiney Quiney pigac pole if I said that right, that 535 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: came out today, and those numbers are are darned close 536 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: to what you just quoted from CNN, and Cenator Warren 537 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,400 Speaker 1: has undeniab momentum. And I think that you compound that 538 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 1: with the fact that Sanders has posted fundraising numbers that 539 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: are that are by his standards probably should be fairly disappointing, 540 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: especially in contrast to say somebody like people to judge 541 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: who just had a knockout quarter. So, yeah, I think 542 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: Bernie Sanders has has quite a bit word Jedge got 543 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: twenty four point eight million in the first quarter, bombshell, bombshell, 544 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: record breaking of a report from the second quarter quartering 545 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,560 Speaker 1: the fec FEC I got that right, right, quite a 546 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: fec um numbers and uh, Sanders got eight teen million. 547 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: The Sanders folks will tell you, well, he's getting small 548 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: dollar donations. Of course, he say he's not cow tailing 549 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: around with the big banks's bashing the big banks. Biden 550 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,720 Speaker 1: reportedly says he's gonna get twenty million. We don't really 551 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: have of much other reporting from the filings yet, but 552 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: I mean, shocker, Trump out trumped everybody. I mean, the 553 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: r n C did like millions, isn't it Trump? And 554 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,440 Speaker 1: at the same time, when you parallel it with President Obama, 555 00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: President Obama only got forty eight million. But I think 556 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: it's really interesting to know democratic It's really interesting to 557 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: note in the Democratic debate and in those polling numbers 558 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,760 Speaker 1: that Kamala Harris is winning because of a personality moment. 559 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: People were compelled by it. And I've repeatedly said that 560 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: when you have a personality, you cannot beat Donald Trump. 561 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 1: And the reason why Elizabeth Warren is so fascinating is 562 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: the only way you beat President Trump is policy. She 563 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: has so many policies. She literally is known as the 564 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: policy person and she made that calculation, and she made 565 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: that calculation early because people told her your personality cannot 566 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: win the vision. She's running on a Vision's wing, on 567 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: a Vision of America platform. She's not running on it. 568 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: I mean, like Trump, let's not let's not sugarcrot it. 569 00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: But she's running on it. She's running on a debate 570 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: and quite frankly, the Professor Warren wants to have that debate. 571 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: She doesn't want to get into personality. Yeah, she can 572 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: win on that debate. And I think what makes her 573 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: particularly effective as a communicator she's she's talking about policy, 574 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: not in a dryway, but she's she's rooting it in 575 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: her values and in her experience growing up. And that 576 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 1: is a really compelling narrative and it resonates with people. 577 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: So I think I think is right that she's she's 578 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: one I'm watching because she's she's marrying a grassroots network, 579 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: small dollar donations, she's a skeewed big corporate pack dollars 580 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: and she's still breaking. I don't know what happened over 581 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 1: the last couple of years to both of your point. 582 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: And I covered her since her literally when I was 583 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: a CUB reporter chasing her in darks and Hall on 584 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: the Senate, banking that the Senate like you had Johnson 585 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: Johnson Crapell, remember that I covered all of that and 586 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: Corker Warrener, remember that the GSC reformed. But but Senator 587 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren arrived into Dirkson with all of the pomp 588 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: and circumstances and celebrity, the political celebrity after having defeated 589 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 1: Scott Brown and this remarkable, remarkable political fight that captured 590 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 1: the attention back and what was Yeah, And she pushed 591 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 1: back on being a political celebrity. And I wasn't really 592 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,080 Speaker 1: sure at that time if she enjoyed being a political celebrity. 593 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: She enjoys having policy debates and that's all she's running 594 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: the campaign. When I ran into her in the spin room, 595 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: literally ran in. They were shoving me. Um, I was like, yeah, 596 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: she's running as herself. If you've got less than a minute. 597 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: She is a true believer. She has the mantle that 598 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: Bernie had in the last election. She has the mantle 599 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: that Ron Paul used to have in the previous election. 600 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: She is in the true believer vertical. And the moment 601 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,200 Speaker 1: has come to her. And I think that we as 602 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 1: the Republican Party would love Senator Warren to talk about 603 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: all of her policies, which I fundamentally disagree with. Please 604 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: Democratic Party there as the non even you know what 605 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 1: we if we do, we're gonna win because her policy 606 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: ideas are pulling so well with you, she's gonna she's 607 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna win. I want to thank you both. You made 608 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: my job hard today, but it was fun. If we 609 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: appreciate the time. Dave Brown's Democratic strategist, Sarah Kim Everybody, 610 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: Republican strategist, travel blogger. I'm Kevin Surreally. 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