WEBVTT - Tech News: Netflix Wages War Against VPNs

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio

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<v Speaker 1>and I love all things tech and it is time

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<v Speaker 1>for the tech news for Thursday August twelve, twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it now. You've probably heard me talk

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<v Speaker 1>about VPNs, or virtual private networks before. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>service in which you use a piece of software to

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<v Speaker 1>log into a remote server, and then that server kind

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<v Speaker 1>of acts as a type of proxy to access content

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<v Speaker 1>on the Internet on your behalf. And that means like

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<v Speaker 1>all the sites you're visiting are going through the server

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<v Speaker 1>before coming to you. So anyone who might be, say

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<v Speaker 1>spying on your side of the connection, all they would

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<v Speaker 1>see is that you are in communication with this VPN server,

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<v Speaker 1>with ideally all of that communication encrypted, so that whomever

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<v Speaker 1>is snooping on you has no idea what it is

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking at, right because they can only see that

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<v Speaker 1>it's coming from this VPN server. They cannot see beyond

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<v Speaker 1>that point, so they wouldn't have any clue what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on. And then anyone who was snooping on the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite side of this, All they would see is that

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<v Speaker 1>this server is communicating with other web servers, but not

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<v Speaker 1>knowing you know, whom on the other end is actually

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for that. Like let's say that you were visiting

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<v Speaker 1>your bank, Well, they would be able to see that

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<v Speaker 1>there was communication between this VPN server and the bank server,

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<v Speaker 1>but they wouldn't know who was ultimately trying to access that.

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<v Speaker 1>And also that communication would be encrypted. So there are

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of legit reasons to you that use this,

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<v Speaker 1>just like I was just mentioning, Like if you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to use extra precautions when accessing certain services like banking

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<v Speaker 1>services while you're on say a public WiFi hot spot,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're at a coffee shop, you might want to

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<v Speaker 1>use a vp N to access various things so that

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<v Speaker 1>someone snooping on that public WiFi hotspot wouldn't know your business.

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<v Speaker 1>But one other popular use of VPNs is to access

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<v Speaker 1>region locked material that is otherwise unavailable to you, and

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<v Speaker 1>recently Netflix has been on the war path to fight

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<v Speaker 1>against that. Netflix has licensing deals with various studios and

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<v Speaker 1>it allows Netflix to stream content certain content to certain

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<v Speaker 1>regions or audiences. For example, there are programs on Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>that are available in the UK on Netflix, but I

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<v Speaker 1>can't watch them because I'm in the United States and

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix does not have a license to stream that specific

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<v Speaker 1>content two people here in the US. But through a VPN,

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<v Speaker 1>I could potentially circumvent those rules and just log into

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<v Speaker 1>a VPN server in the UK and try to get

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<v Speaker 1>around it that way. This isn't exactly legit, but a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of folks use VPNs for this specific reason. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>Netflix is blocking certain IP addresses that the company associates

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<v Speaker 1>with VPN services because some of these services what they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing is they're using IP addresses that look like residential

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<v Speaker 1>IP addresses. So Netflix is starting to block some IP

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<v Speaker 1>addresses that appear to be residential ones, and some of

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<v Speaker 1>them turn out to actually be residential IP addresses. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole goal is to prevent the VPN users from

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<v Speaker 1>relying on this work around, right, But in the process

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<v Speaker 1>that means some innocent folks are getting misidentified as VPN

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<v Speaker 1>services and they find that their access to Netflix ends

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<v Speaker 1>up being limited. So clearly there's some collateral damage going

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<v Speaker 1>on here as the company tries to crack down on

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<v Speaker 1>VPN users attempting to skirt region locking but it is

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to say how common this is, like how frequently

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<v Speaker 1>is Netflix affecting legitimate users? Those getting hit with the

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<v Speaker 1>ban are still able to access Netflix original content, but

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<v Speaker 1>they might not be able to see stuff produced or

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<v Speaker 1>distributed outside of Netflix's own properties. Once again we see

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<v Speaker 1>how a media company's response to people breaking the rules

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<v Speaker 1>can cause further harm. See also digital rights management and

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<v Speaker 1>the various massive lawsuits that media companies leveled against people

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<v Speaker 1>who were identified as being pirates. I do not have

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<v Speaker 1>a solution to this problem, by the way, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not saying Netflix is necessarily in the wrong as far

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<v Speaker 1>as it goes trying to uphold its end of these

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<v Speaker 1>licensing deals. My guess is that the licensing agreements mean

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<v Speaker 1>that Netflix is obligated to pursue solutions to this problem

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<v Speaker 1>or else face some pretty tough consequences, such as not

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<v Speaker 1>being able to secure future licensing agreements with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>various TV and movie studios. It's just unfortunate that the

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<v Speaker 1>current solution can have a negative impact on people who

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<v Speaker 1>are not part of the problem. That is really unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 1>It really says that solution is a bad solution. I

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<v Speaker 1>just don't have a better one to offer, so bummer. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to picking what the top stories of

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<v Speaker 1>we're here in the United States, there is a lot

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<v Speaker 1>to choose from. I mean, coronavirus is an obvious candidate,

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<v Speaker 1>as was the election and all the trappings around that,

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<v Speaker 1>from misinformation camp ains to the fights around voter suppression

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<v Speaker 1>and more. Uh, there's the big story of the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Lives Matter movement, which I support needs ongoing support. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's a related issue the de fund the police movement.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that last one is extremely controversial and politically a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of leaders don't want to have anything to do

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<v Speaker 1>with it, they don't even want to to address it.

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<v Speaker 1>But then we have a story like this one that

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<v Speaker 1>brings into sharp relief the concerns of those who want

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<v Speaker 1>to see an overhaul in how the United States handles

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<v Speaker 1>law enforcement. So, according to documents obtained by the Legal

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<v Speaker 1>Aid Society and the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project, the New

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<v Speaker 1>York City Police Department has spent around a hundred sixty

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars on surveillance systems since two thousand seven. And

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<v Speaker 1>here's the big part, without any public oversight. So these

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<v Speaker 1>technologies include systems like X ray, SCAE, inners for police

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<v Speaker 1>fans that could reportedly detect weapons in vehicles, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of feet away, to facial recognition technologies, which, as

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<v Speaker 1>I've mentioned several times in the past, frequently proved to

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<v Speaker 1>be unreliable and subject to algorithmic bias that can disproportionately

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<v Speaker 1>harm non white populations, and also the use of sting

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<v Speaker 1>ray devices. A sting ray is a cell phone catcher.

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<v Speaker 1>It's spoofs or imitates a cell phone tower, and nearby

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<v Speaker 1>phones will connect to it as if it were a

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<v Speaker 1>legitimate cell tower, and then the operator of the sting

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<v Speaker 1>ray can pull information down from it, such as device identifications,

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<v Speaker 1>device locations, and other data. The department acquired all these

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<v Speaker 1>things by using a special Expenses fund line item in

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<v Speaker 1>the budget. The NYPD could make use of those funds

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<v Speaker 1>without first seeking approval from any other New York officials.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can think of it kind of like a

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<v Speaker 1>petty cash fund, except the amount of cash in it

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<v Speaker 1>is definitely not petty, nor were the uses of that cash.

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<v Speaker 1>I should also add that after the city passed a

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<v Speaker 1>law called the Public Oversight of Surveillance Technology Act last year,

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<v Speaker 1>the NYPD shut down the special Expenses fund. Now, whatever

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<v Speaker 1>your opinion is about police funding, I think it is

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<v Speaker 1>important to remember that these technologies tend to range from

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<v Speaker 1>they they can be effective if they are used correctly,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are difficult to use correctly, and they go

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<v Speaker 1>all the way to This technology is unproven and in

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<v Speaker 1>fact is known to be inaccurate. So even in a

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<v Speaker 1>best case scenario, this is an example of funds being

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<v Speaker 1>poorly spent, and in a worst case scenario, it's an

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<v Speaker 1>example of an organization of authority that is abusing that

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<v Speaker 1>authority and using technology to enable further abuse of authority.

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<v Speaker 1>This ties back in with something that I said earlier

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<v Speaker 1>this week that we have a tendency to lean on

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<v Speaker 1>technology in order to solve social problems, even if the

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<v Speaker 1>tech is unproven or unsuitable for solving a social problem,

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<v Speaker 1>or we just don't fully understand the technology, and this,

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<v Speaker 1>I should point out, is a bad thing. Now, let

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<v Speaker 1>us return to the issue of Facebook and Australian media companies.

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<v Speaker 1>You might remember that there was a big standoff between

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<v Speaker 1>the Australian government and Facebook a while back, stemming from

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<v Speaker 1>how Facebook offers uh previews of articles and other media

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<v Speaker 1>content without directing people to the sites that originate that content.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this is important because those media companies, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like news organizations and such, they depend upon advertising revenue,

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<v Speaker 1>which depends upon traffic to that website. If people are

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<v Speaker 1>getting the content without actually visiting the site, then the

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<v Speaker 1>company is not generating any ad revenue from that transaction,

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<v Speaker 1>and ultimately you'll see these media companies and news organizations

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<v Speaker 1>struggle to remain solvent. They won't make enough money to

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<v Speaker 1>stay in business. The Australian government issued a mandate the

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<v Speaker 1>companies like Facebook and Google to work out deals with

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<v Speaker 1>Australian news outlets, which Facebook said it would do after

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<v Speaker 1>some back and forth, including moments in which Facebook implied

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<v Speaker 1>it would just plane shut down in Australia. Well, now

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook is under fire again after three publishers in Australia

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<v Speaker 1>alleged that Facebook included their content on their new news

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<v Speaker 1>service platform in Australia without first negotiating licensing deals for

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<v Speaker 1>that content, which you could argue would be in violation

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<v Speaker 1>of this new law. Now, the companies say that the

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<v Speaker 1>law might protect the larger publishing houses pretty well, but

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<v Speaker 1>for smaller content creators it's a different story. So, according

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<v Speaker 1>to these publishers. They approached Facebook in order to negotiate

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<v Speaker 1>licensing deals for their content to be featured on this

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<v Speaker 1>news platform, and Facebook essentially dismissed them, saying, no, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are small potatoes. You're not suitable for our news

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<v Speaker 1>platform because you're not notable enough to be included on it,

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<v Speaker 1>So we're not signing a deal with you. But then,

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<v Speaker 1>according to these allegations, content from these publishers showed up

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<v Speaker 1>on that news platform anyway. So as I record this,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a word as to whether the publishers are

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<v Speaker 1>going to pursue any sort of government intervention in response

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<v Speaker 1>to this problem, but they appear to at least be

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<v Speaker 1>open to the idea. Complicating matters is only one of

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<v Speaker 1>the three publishers, this one called Urban List, is actually

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<v Speaker 1>registered with the Australian Communications and Media Authority, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a prerequisite in order to be covered by this media law.

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<v Speaker 1>The other two have not yet applied for registration with

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<v Speaker 1>that organization. Well, we've got a lot more news to cover,

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<v Speaker 1>but before I get into any of that, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. Let's go back over to Facebook. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we were just with Facebook and Australia now

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go to Facebook and the u K because

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<v Speaker 1>over there, over the pond, the Competition and Markets Authority

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<v Speaker 1>and agency and government agency in the UK has been

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<v Speaker 1>investigating Facebook's acquisition of Giffee or if you prefer Jiffy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure they pronounced a Jiffy. I still maintained that

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<v Speaker 1>the correct pronunciation of you know, gift is gift. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the company that's famous for animated gifts. Actually most

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<v Speaker 1>of those, in fact aren't animated gifts at all. They're

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<v Speaker 1>rather other formats, their short looping video clips that mimic

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<v Speaker 1>an animated gift, but you know, that's beside the point.

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<v Speaker 1>And this this government group says that Facebook's acquisition presents

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<v Speaker 1>competition concerns. At least this is according to CNBC, where

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<v Speaker 1>I read about this, and the complaints states that the

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<v Speaker 1>this acquisition decreases competition in the digital advertising market, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a market that has already dominated by goliaths like

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook and Google. And one of the concerns is that

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook will limit the use of Giffee gifts to Facebook

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<v Speaker 1>platforms like the actual Facebook social network and Instagram, but

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<v Speaker 1>there are lots of other platforms that do use Giffee,

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<v Speaker 1>and the concern is that Facebook could cut that that

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<v Speaker 1>access off and thus that would be an anti competitive move.

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<v Speaker 1>The Government Office warns Facebook that it may require that

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<v Speaker 1>the company has to sell off Giffee, which would reverse

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<v Speaker 1>a four million dollar deal. The Office has yet to

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<v Speaker 1>file its full review, and under further investigation, it is

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<v Speaker 1>possible that all complaints could be dropped. Facebook naturally says

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<v Speaker 1>that the Government offices concerns are completely off base and

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<v Speaker 1>that the acquisition doesn't represent a decrease in competition. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>let's look at the world of anti virus software, because

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<v Speaker 1>that world is about to get a little smaller. Norton

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<v Speaker 1>LifeLock is on track to merge with former competitor a

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<v Speaker 1>Vast in a deal that's valued at eight billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>So Norton's experience with antivirus software dates back to nine.

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<v Speaker 1>A Vast was founded even earlier, back in nine and

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<v Speaker 1>the plan is to merge these companies and combine the

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<v Speaker 1>capabilities of the two and offer more robust solutions for cybersecurity,

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<v Speaker 1>including additional ways to detect intrusions and protect privacy and

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<v Speaker 1>disabled malware. And as we see a rise in innovative

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<v Speaker 1>attacks like the supply chain attacks that we saw with

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<v Speaker 1>the solar winds attacks, cybersecurity companies are rushing to keep

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<v Speaker 1>pace with the bad guys, and that's pretty much the

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<v Speaker 1>normal day to day in the world of cybersecurity, because

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<v Speaker 1>each side is constantly struggling to try and get ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the other. There's still a bunch of other anti

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<v Speaker 1>virus providers out there. There's like a v G and

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<v Speaker 1>McAfee and Kaspersky and lots more. And I recommend that

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<v Speaker 1>you use anti virus, but I also recommend you research

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<v Speaker 1>anti virus software packages before you install one on your machine,

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<v Speaker 1>because some packages contain a lot more bloat than others

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<v Speaker 1>and will put a larger demand on your computer's resources,

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<v Speaker 1>which could mean that you see performance issues elsewhere. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>be sure you don't already have anti virus software on

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<v Speaker 1>your machine, because having more than one is a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good way to make your computer run so slowly that

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<v Speaker 1>you can't do anything with it. A few news episodes back,

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<v Speaker 1>I reported on how employees at Activision Blizzard brought forth

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<v Speaker 1>allegations of sexual miscon harassment, hostile work environment, and more,

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<v Speaker 1>including a lawsuit against the company, and since then there's

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<v Speaker 1>been an employee walk out that happened on July. There

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<v Speaker 1>have been various calls online for game boycotts UH, and

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<v Speaker 1>also people who have said that unfortunately, those kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>boycotts often cause more harm to lower level employees than

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<v Speaker 1>the leaders who allow these toxic environments to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>take hold. There's also been responses from the company itself

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<v Speaker 1>claiming that the allegations in the lawsuit were UH in

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<v Speaker 1>reference to a company of the past and not reflective

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<v Speaker 1>of how Blizzard operates today. Well, now we've got some

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<v Speaker 1>more updates because three important staff members recently left the

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<v Speaker 1>studio than They include the former director of Diablo four,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not yet released. That would be Luis Barriga.

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<v Speaker 1>Also a designer who worked on Diablo four named Jesse McCree,

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<v Speaker 1>and a World of Warcraft designer named Jonathan Lacraft. The

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<v Speaker 1>company's statement is simply that these three are no longer

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<v Speaker 1>working for the company, so there's no clarification there about

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<v Speaker 1>how their terms of employment came to an end. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if they were fired, or if they resigned

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<v Speaker 1>or what. Kotak, who previously published photos of Lacraft and

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<v Speaker 1>McCree in relation to what was called the Cosby Shrine,

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<v Speaker 1>which was a suite connected to a fan event called

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<v Speaker 1>blizz Con back in two thousand thirteen, And obviously it

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<v Speaker 1>was in reference to the comedian Bill Cosby, which, if

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<v Speaker 1>you know anything about you know the story of Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Cosby's legal troubles. That implication is beyond horrifying, because that

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<v Speaker 1>line of logic means the group was at least on

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<v Speaker 1>some level condoning the idea of harassing and abusing women.

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<v Speaker 1>So it may well be that this is Blizzard trying

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<v Speaker 1>to clean house after insisting that its house was already clean.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I have no contacts within Blizzard, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I have no clue if these employees were actually

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<v Speaker 1>terminated or if they left on their own accord and

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<v Speaker 1>chose to resign. Nor do I know what, if any

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<v Speaker 1>part they played in the alleged hostile work environment. But

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<v Speaker 1>it appears that the fallout from that issue is continuing

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<v Speaker 1>back to tech and politics, which honestly I did not

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<v Speaker 1>anticipate being something I would have to cover so frequently

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<v Speaker 1>in this show. But the US Senate has introduced a

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<v Speaker 1>piece of legislation aimed at taking some power away from

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<v Speaker 1>platforms like Google and Apple app stores. This comes out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Antitrust Committee in the Senate, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>body that is dedicated to fighting anti competitive and monopolistic practices,

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<v Speaker 1>and among the provisions in the legislation is a bit

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<v Speaker 1>that says platforms should not be able to force app

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<v Speaker 1>developers to use a platform provided payment system and that

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<v Speaker 1>app developers should be able to use their own systems instead.

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<v Speaker 1>So currently, companies like Apple and Google require apps that

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<v Speaker 1>are available within their respective stores to conform to the

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<v Speaker 1>platform payment systems, and the platforms take a cut, typically

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<v Speaker 1>around thirty for all in app purchases, assuming the purchase

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<v Speaker 1>isn't for some real world item or service. So for example,

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<v Speaker 1>if I were playing a game and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make an in app purchase for game items within that game,

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<v Speaker 1>then because I use Android, Google would take a thirty

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<v Speaker 1>percent cut of that transaction. But if I use an

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<v Speaker 1>app to order a pizza or use a ride hailing

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<v Speaker 1>app like Uber or lift Google Google would not take

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<v Speaker 1>a cut of that. It would be it's under a

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<v Speaker 1>different set of rules. Anyway, This provision would allow pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much everyone to use their own payment systems in lieu

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<v Speaker 1>of you know, the official platform one and Another element

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<v Speaker 1>of the bill would actually be specific to Apple. It

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<v Speaker 1>would force Apple to allow users to sideload apps onto

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<v Speaker 1>their owns, which means they would be able to bypass

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple Store entirely. They could load in apps that

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<v Speaker 1>Apple did not allow in the App store. Now, Apple

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<v Speaker 1>maintains that it's policy of only allowing users to download

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<v Speaker 1>apps from the official Apple App Store protects the users

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<v Speaker 1>because each app has to pass approval before being allowed

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<v Speaker 1>in the store. This, according to Apple, cuts back on

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<v Speaker 1>malware and other issues, although those things still seem to

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<v Speaker 1>creep through on occasion just but I would argue probably

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<v Speaker 1>not nearly to the level that they would if that

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<v Speaker 1>if that system weren't in place. But that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>Apple's policy. However, it also means that Apple is the

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<v Speaker 1>sole arbiter of which apps iPhone users are allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>load onto their phones, assuming those users haven't gone through

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<v Speaker 1>the trouble of jail breaking their phones, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other thing. And we'll have to see how this progresses,

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<v Speaker 1>because we're still a long way from this legislation actually

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<v Speaker 1>becoming law. This is still in the formation stages. I

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<v Speaker 1>suspect we're going to see a lot of changes to

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<v Speaker 1>the language of that legislation introduced as Google and Apple

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<v Speaker 1>way in through various lobbying efforts. We have a couple

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<v Speaker 1>more stories, but before I get to that, let's take

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<v Speaker 1>another quick break. Before the break, I was talking about Apple.

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<v Speaker 1>It's time to talk about Apple a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>The company's image scanning technology has recently come under fire

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<v Speaker 1>from the Electronic Freedom Foundation or e ff SO. This

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<v Speaker 1>technology scans images sent through eye message in an effort

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<v Speaker 1>to detect and thus report on child exploitation and abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>In other words, like this background technology is scanning stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that otherwise is being sent privately between individuals to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that it's not in violation of this that it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't depict child abuse or exploitation. The e f F

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<v Speaker 1>maintains that, you know, fighting those things as noble right.

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<v Speaker 1>We want to protect children. However, the method that Apple

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<v Speaker 1>is using is also open for abuse, namely that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Apple has now created a method to intercept and analyze

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<v Speaker 1>material sent through eye message, and that's meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>an end to end encryption communications channel that should provide

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<v Speaker 1>secure and private communications between two people. That means that

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<v Speaker 1>the whole secure thing there and private thing all that

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<v Speaker 1>gets thrown out the window if you have a system

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<v Speaker 1>that's actually analyzing the material being sent back and forth. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the e f F points out that governments, including the

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<v Speaker 1>United States government, have frequently sought ways to get around

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<v Speaker 1>encrypted communications channels, up to and including demanding that companies

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<v Speaker 1>include a backdoor access so that they these various government

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<v Speaker 1>agencies can actually see what's being sent back and forth.

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<v Speaker 1>Companies like Apple traditionally have really resisted that, and this

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<v Speaker 1>approach of creating these ways to get around encryption invariably

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<v Speaker 1>creates a surveillance state that can grant more power to

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<v Speaker 1>authoritarian leaders that they can then abuse, and the victims

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<v Speaker 1>then are the citizens and others related to that government.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of those situations that's actually really really

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<v Speaker 1>hard for me to grapple with because on the one hand,

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely want there to be more systems in place

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<v Speaker 1>to protect children. I really want that. But on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, I don't want that pursuit to then enable

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<v Speaker 1>systems that could harm entire populations through misuse, where the

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<v Speaker 1>cure ends up having its own kind of disease that

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<v Speaker 1>affects society. I won't say it's ears than the disease,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's hard for me to think of things that

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<v Speaker 1>are worse than child abuse, but it could be another

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<v Speaker 1>bad consequence of that solution, and the e f F

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<v Speaker 1>warns that various governments and regimes around the world already

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<v Speaker 1>are standing up to take advantage of Apple's decision and

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<v Speaker 1>find ways to turn it to their own purposes for

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the aim of surveillance, and the e

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<v Speaker 1>f F is adamant that Apple's choice ultimately weakens security

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<v Speaker 1>and privacy, even if the intention behind the decision was

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<v Speaker 1>a good one. This just points out that the world

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<v Speaker 1>is an incredibly complicated place, and again, while technology can

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<v Speaker 1>provide some tools for us to do things, sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>consequences of using those tools creates problems that are you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as difficult as the one you were trying to solve

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<v Speaker 1>in the first place. I think this might be the

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<v Speaker 1>case here, and it really pains me to say that,

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<v Speaker 1>because again, I want there to be systems in place

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<v Speaker 1>to protect kids. But yeah, I don't know what the

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<v Speaker 1>right answer is to this one either. I wish I did. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, I apologize for not making this the top

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<v Speaker 1>story for today. Twitter, Hold onto your Butts is rolling

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<v Speaker 1>out a change in the font it uses to display messages. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you heard me correctly. Twitter is creating and rolling out

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<v Speaker 1>a new font called chirp into its apps and on

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<v Speaker 1>the web based feeds. Now. The rollout is in stages,

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<v Speaker 1>so you may or may not be able to see

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<v Speaker 1>it right now. According to Twitter's blog, the font quote

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<v Speaker 1>strikes the balance between messy and sharp to amplify the

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<v Speaker 1>fund and irreverence of a tweet, but can also carry

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<v Speaker 1>the weight of seriousness when needed. End quote. Which, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a huge relief to me, because I'm glad that

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<v Speaker 1>my dumb dad joke tweets can joy a boost of

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<v Speaker 1>jocularity from this font, while at the same time, those

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<v Speaker 1>people who are using Twitter to you know, advance real

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<v Speaker 1>world important social movements, or, if you prefer, those who

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<v Speaker 1>are spreading crazy misinformation can lean more heavily on how

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<v Speaker 1>this font also supports the serious side. I mean, who

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<v Speaker 1>knew that fonts were so fundamental to conveying the intent

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<v Speaker 1>of a message. Also, full disclosure, I totally didn't notice

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<v Speaker 1>that this thing changed, that the font changed at all,

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<v Speaker 1>although that could say a lot more about my lack

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<v Speaker 1>of skill in the Observation Department than anything else. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it's rolled out to me. Even

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<v Speaker 1>when I was looking at a news article that was

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<v Speaker 1>talking about this and had pictures of examples of the font,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought, huh, I guess that's different. I would need

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<v Speaker 1>to have a side by side and then I would.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I would notice it, but I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>just never really put much stock in the font. So

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<v Speaker 1>this I missed the boat. That's it for the news

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<v Speaker 1>for today, Thursday, August one. If you have suggestions for

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<v Speaker 1>topics I should cover in tech Stuff, please reach out

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