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We talked to 28 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: Tracy about what he's looking forward to at this match, 29 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: because a lot of you may know that when he 30 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 1: broke into Ring of Honor his first match, he lost 31 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: to Gresham. Now what's gonna happen when he's facing John 32 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: Gresham again for the ROH Pure title. Well, he talks 33 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: about that. He also remembers the legend Tracy Smothers, who 34 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: passed away yesterday, which, man, it's still still hurts going 35 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: to several matches watching Tracy at the Fairgrounds. We truly 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: lost an icon and we talked to Tracy about that. 37 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: We get his thoughts on Tracy Smothers. We do a 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: whole lot of stuff on the show today. It's great 39 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: And by the way, you can actually watch the interview 40 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: we filmed this interview if you want to check that out, 41 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: we have a link tweeted out Battleground i HR, or 42 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: you can go tap that link in the bio at 43 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: Battleground Podcast on Instagram, and of course down in the 44 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: description there's a link as well. So, anyways, are you 45 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: ready to do this because I am. I'm done talking 46 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: for this intro and uh, I'm gonna let the theme 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 1: song play and we'll talk to Tracy on the other side. 48 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: You into Double Battle Crown. 49 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: Live from the Parts Unknown Studios. This is the Battleground Podcast, 50 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:44,959 Speaker 3: The The Battle your plays for all things pro wrestling 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,959 Speaker 3: from the independent scene to w W E A, E 52 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: w R, O, H, n w A and Impact Wrestling 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: hot topics, as well as interviews with some of the 54 00:03:03,639 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: biggest names of the game. 55 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 4: The Battle. 56 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: The Battleground Podcast starts now. 57 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 2: Carrier Hoach, Battle. 58 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 1: Battle and Eli, Welcome to another episode of the Battleground Podcast. 59 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: We have a special show for you today. We've got 60 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: somebody who is going to get their hand raised, because 61 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm calling it right now. They're going to get their 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: hand raised at the r H Pure Tournament on Monday night. 63 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: It's at seven pm Eastern. But real quick, before we 64 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: can get into the show, we did get some sad 65 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: news that the Southern boy that we all love Southern 66 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: Wrestling own Tracy Smothers has passed away today, and our 67 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: thoughts and prayers go out to his family and uh Man, 68 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: such a legend in the South and a pioneer for 69 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: Southern wrestling, and our condolences go out to Tracy Smothers 70 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 1: and his family and friends in the wrestling community. All 71 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: morens Tracy Smothers. But we just want to take a 72 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: quick second and say that, and we're gonna get into 73 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: the show now, So let me bring in my tag 74 00:04:15,600 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: team partner Eli. Hello, there he is Eli. 75 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: I do I do have a little quick Tracy Smothers quip. 76 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 4: So when he was in w CW, he was in 77 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: the Southern Boys, and he came out. They were kind 78 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 4: of wearing like Civil War you know, the jacket and 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 4: the hat and everything. So I mean, I love I 80 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 4: loved him. They were incredible. And I went out to 81 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: the flea market in Jackson, Tennessee. Friendly Friendly Frank's Friendly 82 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 4: Friendly Friendly Frank's. 83 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: That's it. 84 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the name of the fleamork. I have it 85 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 4: a first weekend of every month. Anyways, I bought a 86 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 4: rebel flag and I hung it on my wall and 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 4: I was like, yes, and that's right around the time 88 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 4: we started to studying the Civil War, it promptly came down. 89 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 4: But for a short time I did own a rebel flag, 90 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 4: not because of any it was literally because of wrestling. 91 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 4: I was like, these guys are incredible high flowers and 92 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 4: blah blah blah blah. So anyways, it's sad day if 93 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 4: you go on Twitter. I mean I was just reading 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: the thing Lance Storm wrote about it about him, Hurricane 95 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 4: Helms the FTR. I mean, just if you don't see 96 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 4: how you know, respected and loved he was, let me 97 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 4: just get on social media. Big big loss today. 98 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, very big loss. But somebody who is not going 99 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,359 Speaker 1: to take a loss who has been someone who's not dead. 100 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 4: We've got a lot of one over here. 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Williams joins it. Man, did you really think that I 102 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: was going to say, somebody who's not died yet. 103 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 4: I mean, it's how I. 104 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 2: Kind of thought it was coming to. I thought I 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,160 Speaker 2: was coming to I don't know what kind of show 106 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: this was, but yeah, I'll just I'll just pile on 107 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: and say, also, you know, my respect and sadness towards 108 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 2: the loss of tracy'smothers. He was always super supportive and 109 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: positive and really like energetic whenever I was lucky enough 110 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 2: to be on shows with him when he was you know, 111 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: still gracing and with his presence. That probably would have 112 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: been like seven years ago or something like that. And 113 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,040 Speaker 2: he's had a rough time for a while with health, 114 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 2: but even right before that, he was, you know, on 115 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: the indies, energetic as hell, helping everybody out. We I 116 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 2: had a couple of matches with him too and AIW 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: and Ohio where we kind of jokingly were fighting over 118 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: the name Tracy. We were just kind of it wasn't like 119 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 2: a storyline or anything, but he was just, you know, 120 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 2: he's so good at talking crap in the ring that 121 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: he would you know, go back and forth to me 122 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 2: and then like you know, I'd give him a big 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: chop or something like all right, you can have it, 124 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: damn take it. So yeah, I rest in peace with 125 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 2: Tracy smothers for sure. 126 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: Man. I've seen him wrestle numerous times, and it's I 127 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: got in trouble because the first time I saw him wrestle, 128 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: I was doing this and I didn't know what it 129 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: meant at the time that what kind of like the 130 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: DX suck at chop. But anyways, oh man, so let's 131 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 1: kind of let's kind of talk about Tracy Williams. You 132 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: got a big match coming up. The ROH Pure Tournament 133 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: Finals is Monday, November second, It's at seven pm Eastern. 134 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: You and a guy that's well you have a lot 135 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: of history with Jonathan Gresham for the ROH Pure title. 136 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Talk about the big match, man. 137 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I mean it's unbelievable. It's such a big 138 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: point in my career because the Pure Championship is fresh 139 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: back on the scene, and it's the kind of thing 140 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: that wrestlers like me and like John have been wishing 141 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: for for a long time and pushing for for a 142 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: long time. And you know, it's given guys like us 143 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: this trophy to shoot for, this like shining light, to 144 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: reach for, brass ring, whatever you want to call it. 145 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: It's like, now there's something like that for pure wrestlers, 146 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: for people who thrive in a one on one pro 147 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: wrestling environment, when you strip away all the nonsense and 148 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: focus on what we really came to do, which is wrestle. 149 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's huge, and I'm not taking it lightly. 150 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: I know John's not either, And like you said, John 151 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: and I have a lot of history, So it's really 152 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 2: cool to be on that platform with somebody that you 153 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: know so well and who you've had matches with, and 154 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: all sorts of environments like John and I have Whistle 155 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 2: at Beyond Wrestling on like New Year's Eve at like 156 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: eleven fifty pm, right before the ball drops or whatever, 157 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 2: and all sorts of like different indie environments. And so 158 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: even though it is this big stage, in this big match, 159 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 2: it's like it almost feels comfortable and natural because we 160 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 2: you know, we're here together. So it's really cool and 161 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 2: it's cool to face off with like Arrival like that 162 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: on a stage like that. 163 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 4: I'm just surprised it's taken them so long to bring 164 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 4: the title back. 165 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree with you, but I don't know. 166 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's kind of the struggle of 167 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: pure wrestling, you know, is like there's this stigma that 168 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't draw or that it's not you know, this 169 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 2: exciting thing. But it's really, like says, it's called pro wrestling, so. 170 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 4: Right, I mean, that's the core of what we love. 171 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's kind of the foundation. 172 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, not exactly. 173 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 4: Not to plug his nickname, but you're gonna come. 174 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: To the screen and let me here in a second. 175 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Don't say that. 176 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 4: Don't you say that? 177 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: We kind of talk about history, and I want to 178 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: talk about your history. Cand of tell us about your background, 179 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: like have you always been a wrestling fan and uh, 180 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: you know, who are some of your favorites growing up 181 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: and who did you train with. 182 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always been a wrestling fan since I was 183 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: a little kid. My grandfather introduced me to wrestling, actually 184 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 2: where my brother and I would go up and visit him. 185 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: And he lives in Canada, and you know, there's not 186 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 2: all that much to do up there, but he had 187 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: this vast library of wrestling tapes from like WCW and 188 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: WA and WWF and all this stuff, and so every 189 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 2: time we'd go up there, we'd just like burn through 190 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 2: a bunch of these tapes, watch them and learn who 191 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: everybody was and learn about stuff from you know, before 192 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: we were born, all the way up to that current moment. 193 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: And so from then on I was hooked on it. Then. 194 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 2: You know, I lived in New York City my whole life, 195 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: so I'd get to go every now and then to 196 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 2: like a house show up Madison Square Garden and stuff, 197 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 2: and like, you know, see it in person, and it's 198 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: kind of the only thing that like I really latched 199 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 2: onto in life. Like I didn't I had no aspirations 200 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: to like go to college and like get this like 201 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: special job. I didn't want to be a doctor. I 202 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 2: didn't want to I didn't have drive for that kind 203 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: of stuff. But like I loved wrestling and I had 204 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 2: a drive for it. So I'm really lucky to be 205 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 2: doing it because you know, I think wrestling is one 206 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 2: of those things that just like it either bites you 207 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 2: or it does it, and like when it bites you, 208 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: like it doesn't really let go you just like are 209 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: you just kind of love it forever. So to get 210 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 2: to sort of dedicate my life to it is super special. 211 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: I love it, man, And it's you know, wrestling. Everybody 212 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: has that story of like watching wrestling, and everybody is 213 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: from up north. It's it's always been the Madison Square 214 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: Garden stories and here for for me in Nashville, it's 215 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: the Fairgrounds, the historic Fairgrounds where everything has happened, and 216 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a cool moment to go back 217 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: and think about your very first wrestling match that you 218 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 1: ever saw, like the Big Ones when they came into town. 219 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: So who did you train with when you when you 220 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 1: got started in wrestling. 221 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 2: I trained at the Chakara Wrestle Factory in two thousand 222 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: and eight, where the head trainers at the time where 223 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: Mike Quackenbush and Claudio Cassini only Cesaro as he's known now, 224 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: and so I was super lucky for that. It was 225 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: in Philadelphia, and like I said, I lived in New York, 226 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 2: so I knew I wanted to train there because those 227 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 2: guys style was just like unmatched, like and you could 228 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 2: see it and the people that they trained that, like 229 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 2: everybody that course with them had such a dedication to 230 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: doing everything right and having like a wide range of 231 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: different like styles that they could do. So that really 232 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: appealed to me. And so I went to a chakar 233 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: show on like I took the Chinatown bus to Philly 234 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 2: and I went to a show at the Arena, which 235 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 2: was cool. You know, it's my first time at the 236 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 2: EACW Arena too, Like you were saying, one of those 237 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 2: like things you've seen all your life and all of 238 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: a sudden you're there, right and being there made me 239 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 2: realize like how close it was, and it seemed like 240 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 2: this far off land that like you couldn't go to 241 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, that's where easyw happens. That's Philly. 242 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: It's far away, because I know in New York sometimes 243 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 2: you get stuck there happens to a lot of people. 244 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 2: But I found the Chinatown bus made it to Philly, 245 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 2: and I realized this is easy. I could do this 246 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 2: every week. You know, the bus is cheap. They have 247 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 2: a school here, I can do it, and so I started. 248 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,200 Speaker 2: I signed up and I joined wrestling schools like running 249 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 2: Away to join the circus. And so I would go 250 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: every week to Philly, walk in my little bag into 251 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: the back of the ECW arena and get in the 252 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: wrestling ring, you know, for the first time in my life, 253 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 2: and fell in love with it. And yeah, really lucky 254 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 2: to have that training too, because I think it set 255 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: me up to be in a position like this in 256 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 2: like a pure tournament because they were so focused on 257 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: doing everything right and nailing all the techniques, you know, 258 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 2: so it helped. 259 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: So speaking of that organization, it kind of ended up 260 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 4: being like a who's who pro wrestling. I mean, everyone 261 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 4: from Cem Punk to Daniel Bryant to the Young Bucks 262 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 4: and uh Brisco's who're obviously and Ring of Honor with you. 263 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,000 Speaker 4: Were there any standout matches you had there? Just like, 264 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 4: holy crap, I can't believe this is happening, or like 265 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 4: any that you thought like never would happen that You're like, 266 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,000 Speaker 4: I can't believe I'm at the right place, right tom 267 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 4: kind of a deal. 268 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: I mean, the right place, right time. Thing was really 269 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: like I was saying about the training, like, I think 270 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 2: I was so lucky to be able to work so 271 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: closely with those people in such like a tight knit environment, 272 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 2: because like you said, it's like a lot of people 273 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 2: that passed through there just blow up and go on 274 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: to be these like you know, untouchable people wrestling who 275 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: like you don't get to as a young rookie get 276 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 2: in the ring with and learn from you know, there 277 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: it's just a natural separation. And so I was really 278 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 2: lucky to be able to learn from guys like that 279 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: specific Czarro, especially with you know, where I've taken my 280 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 2: style now and the things that are like inspiring me now. 281 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: Really really lucky because that's hard to come across now, 282 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: you know, and you don't necessarily know when you're getting 283 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: it because that person hasn't gotten there yet. But I 284 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 2: think everybody at that time was looking at him and 285 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 2: knew that, Okay, this is like we're lucky to have 286 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 2: him here now in this little bubble and get to 287 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 2: work with him now before he becomes a super nova, 288 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 2: you know, all right. 289 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 4: And it's so crazy how you know, he's been a 290 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 4: professional for decades now and he's still considered talking about 291 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: Cesarrow specifically, he's still considered underrated, you know, Like it's 292 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 4: it's it's almost like people just still don't understand how 293 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 4: incredible he is. 294 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:46,160 Speaker 1: You know. 295 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: It's just like it's very very strange. 296 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, that underrated thing is is tough. It's 297 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: a tough thing to even to hear as the person 298 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: that's being called underrated too, you know, because I've heard 299 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 2: that before too, just in various places, and it doesn't 300 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: feel great. You know. It's like it just kind of 301 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 2: sheds a light on like whatever the situation is. And 302 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 2: it also feels like, dang, like if you just said 303 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: I was good, then maybe I wouldn't be considered underrated. 304 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: You know. 305 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a weird way of thinking about it, 306 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: but it's just kind of what how it lands on me. 307 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes I see why people say it for sure, and 308 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: it's like I can look at people and say, oh, 309 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:26,560 Speaker 2: they're underrated also, but like when you hear it, it's 310 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 2: like if you just said they were really great, then 311 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: maybe that would, like, you know, create that opportunity for 312 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 2: them to show the world that they're that great. 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It's just 370 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 2: maybe it's just like how you process it, because it 371 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 2: kind of feels like it's like when people tell like 372 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 2: a comedian and like, Oh, I don't care like what 373 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 2: everybody says, you're really funny, or like yeah, ah, my 374 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: friends hate your stuff, but I think you're hilarious. And 375 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 2: it's like dang, like you could. 376 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like the backhanded compliment. 377 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: I guess. Yeah. Right. 378 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: So you debuted and Evolved back in twenty fourteen. Your 379 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: debut match was with Timothy Thatcher. How did you get 380 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: involved with Evolved in What was your experience like with 381 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: working with that company? 382 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: Well, I knew Gabe Sapolski, the booker, for a while, 383 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 2: just from you know, crossover with other places that I'd 384 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 2: worked and and people you know that we both knew, 385 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 2: and so he was familiar with me, but I think 386 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: he was not that confident in me yet because I 387 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: hadn't like taken a certain turn in my career where 388 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,720 Speaker 2: I really decided to focus on kind of wrestling that 389 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,200 Speaker 2: suits me. And so when that moment came, I was 390 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,919 Speaker 2: already kind of on his radar. And you know, my 391 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 2: good friend and former tag team partner and training partner 392 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,679 Speaker 2: and all that, Drew Gulac, was working with Evolve at 393 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 2: the time, and so he kind of made the connection 394 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 2: and I emailed Gabe of Bollskin. I was like, hey, 395 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: you know, you know each other. We've had talks in 396 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 2: the past. You kind of said like you'd like to 397 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 2: use me if I changed a couple of things, and well, 398 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,720 Speaker 2: here I am, I've changed some things. Are we ready 399 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: to do this? And he was like, yeah, absolutely, and 400 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 2: he gave me an opportunity put me in the ring 401 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 2: with Timothy Thatcher in my debut at Evolve, which is, 402 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, in hindsight, a pretty big move and a 403 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: pretty bold move. And yeah, that was a match we 404 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 2: had in the Brooklyn Lyceum in Brooklyn, which was like 405 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 2: a broke down bathhouse. I loved that venue. And it's 406 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:52,159 Speaker 2: now a Blink Fitness I learned this week. It's like 407 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,879 Speaker 2: a fancy gym and now it's like dang. I used 408 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 2: to like stand in there and get changed behind a 409 00:19:58,200 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: curtain like one foot from the back row and just 410 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 2: get like dripped on from a balcony and stuff that 411 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 2: it's a fancy gym and now Timothy Patchers on WWE TV. 412 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 2: So but yeah, that's how it started. And then I 413 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 2: think Evolve at the time was kind of it was 414 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 2: the place similar to how roh is now where technical 415 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: wrestlers were looking at it as their their opportunity to shine, 416 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 2: and so it's a place that all those the guys 417 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: like me wanted to be and luckily I made that 418 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: connection and it worked out for a long time. And 419 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: I like my time and Evolve a lot. 420 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,120 Speaker 4: So I think you and Drew you had the tag 421 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 4: titles at one time too, right. 422 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, Drew and had the tag team titles and then 423 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 2: fred Ye High I also had the tag ting titles 424 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 2: and Evolve and then we kind of facing off and 425 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 2: Ring of Honors. So, like I said, it's just that 426 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: natural path. 427 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's awesome. So last year you were ranked number 428 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 4: one on the PWI five hundred list. Do activaids like 429 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 4: that mean much to you or do you just you know, 430 00:20:57,320 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: try not to pay attention to them and just focus 431 00:20:59,119 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 4: on on your job. 432 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, not some of them do. I 433 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 2: think some of them do, but I don't know. That 434 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 2: one's really kooky, you know. The PWI five hundred is 435 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 2: like that year, I was like one hundred something, but 436 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: they listed me as like five seven and like the 437 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: next year they got my height right, but I was 438 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: like number like three ninety or something. And it's just 439 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 2: it's kind of random. But the accolades, I like, maybe 440 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 2: not that one, but in general they do really mean 441 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 2: a lot, especially as somebody who loved wrestling for a 442 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: really long time, you know, and every now and then 443 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 2: you get a little numb to it. But when you 444 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: sit down and think about it and just see the 445 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 2: fact that even you know, your name is being talked 446 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 2: about in this like realm of like you know, the 447 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 2: the top wrestlers or whatever, it's just that's kind of huge. 448 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of insane. So it's like it's 449 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 2: it's almost hard for it to really sink in as 450 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,159 Speaker 2: much as it should because it just like kind of 451 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: becomes reality. And so I think it would be maybe 452 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 2: helpful of all of us wrestlers would kind of take 453 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 2: a second, sit back and let it sink it, like, Wow, 454 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: you know we're really doing this. This is right. Yeah, 455 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,880 Speaker 2: even if it is PWI five hundred, Like it's even 456 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 2: though I think it's kookie, it's the PWI five hundred. 457 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: You know, everybody knows what that is. It's like the 458 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 2: freaking magazine on magazines racks everywhere, So it is a 459 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 2: big deal. 460 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that was one of the ones you 461 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 4: kind of gravitated to growing up, you know, yeah, right, I'm. 462 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 1: Gonna you know, or the Internet that's where you figured out. 463 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 4: Who won in you know, New Japan, all Japan. Yeah, 464 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 4: all that stuff. 465 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: That was where you found it. And then yeah, so 466 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: that that's kind of a thing though, So let's let's 467 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: kind of move on to where you're at now, Ring 468 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: of Honor. You join the organization in twenty eighteen, with 469 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: the current stuff that's going on pandemic wise, what has 470 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: your experience been like with the pandemic and what has 471 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: kind of been the toughest part of being a pro 472 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: wrestler during a worldwide pandemic. 473 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: I mean, I really feel super lucky as a as 474 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: a pro wrestler in the position that I'm in right now, 475 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: because I spent the bulk of my career on the indies. 476 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: You know, even when you're signed to Evolve, it's like 477 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: it's still really the bulk of what you're doing is 478 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 2: the indies because you need to feel those dates, you 479 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: need to get those paychecks, and you need to pay 480 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,400 Speaker 2: the bills, and that's how it is as an indie wrestler. 481 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 2: And so really, I just feel super lucky with how 482 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: well the company that I happen to be working for 483 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 2: is taking care of everybody, and I really feel for 484 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: all the independent wrestlers who aren't in that position because 485 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,119 Speaker 2: they got hit so hard by it. So for me, 486 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, I just feel lucky, but 487 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: I think I see so much hardship for the independence 488 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: and I hope that they can thrive through this, you know, 489 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 2: even though it seems to be taking forever to get 490 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,600 Speaker 2: back to an environment where they can do that. You know, 491 00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: it's like everybody's chomping at the bit to get back 492 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 2: to like that sort of consistent schedule, and the time 493 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 2: isn't here yet. So I'm really just pull in for 494 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 2: the indies for the most part. 495 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: Yea, It's been tough kind of watching different organizations and 496 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 4: their approaches, and some people are really smart about it 497 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 4: and some others are not. So it's just, you know. 498 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 2: It's it's hard to do it right. It's really hard 499 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 2: to do it right. It takes so much to do 500 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 2: it anywhere close to like, you know, completely right, And 501 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 2: so I feel for them even though, you know, no 502 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: matter what, like I feel for them, and I think 503 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 2: it's really like it's not on them. It shouldn't be 504 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 2: on them. It's like if when you see it and 505 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: people criticize the way that people are handling these shows 506 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 2: and stuff, it's like it's a reflection of the environment 507 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 2: that we're in, you know, like nobody's being given the 508 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 2: tools to really go about all of this safely, you know, 509 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: in any way. So it's like the way the indie 510 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 2: shows are going or just a reflection of like what's 511 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 2: happening in our countries. As big as that sounds, it's like, 512 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 2: I don't know, I think it's true. 513 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent as far as Ring 514 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 4: of Honor goes. Are there any do you have any 515 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 4: kind of like buck little matches you're looking forward to, 516 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 4: Like I can't wait to face blah blah blah, Like, 517 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,440 Speaker 4: are there a couple of people you're just like very 518 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 4: excited to get in a program with. 519 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got to wrestle the Briscos a couple of 520 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: times in tag matches, but like I'd really like to 521 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 2: get the chance to have like a full on, you know, 522 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 2: big time stretched out like just hard ass tag match 523 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 2: those guys, because like they're just incredible. I mean, like 524 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 2: I was saying I hate to use the word underrated, 525 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: but like, you know, those guys are one of the 526 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,960 Speaker 2: best tag teams there's ever been. And uh is another 527 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: one in Ring of honor thinking of like who's there currently. 528 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,639 Speaker 2: I mean, I just got to wrestle Jay Lethal. That 529 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: match just aired last week, and that was a big one. 530 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 2: You know, to have a singles match main event with 531 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 2: a rh like mainstain kind of rh legend like that 532 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 2: was was a big deal. 533 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 4: So and in fact that I made him tap, yeah, 534 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 4: not to mention and that that tap came quick. I 535 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 4: saw the clip and I was like, it was like 536 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 4: in like, oh, that was very quick. 537 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: Quick. Yeah, I've been trying to rip heads off in 538 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,440 Speaker 2: that Pure tournament. I'm watching it back and I'm like, 539 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,639 Speaker 2: oh man, I was really really trying to take people's 540 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,120 Speaker 2: heads off with the face lock in that one. 541 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's it's crazy and kind of kind of 542 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 1: We talked about this earlier, but so your debut was 543 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: in the Survival of the Fittest tournament where you are 544 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: eliminated ironically by the person you're going up against, Jonathan Gresham. 545 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: So you two are slated to collide in the finals 546 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: of the Pure Championship, which roh is brought back after 547 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: fourteen years. So how does that loss in your debut 548 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: motivate you and what are you looking to with this match? 549 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 2: I mean it would Yeah, this is the chance to 550 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: correct it all, you know, to set the path right 551 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 2: and to true my path here and ring of honor. 552 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 2: Like you said, that was my first step in this 553 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: company was a loss to Jonathan Gresham, and it felt 554 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 2: like a lot of the steps from that point on 555 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 2: were similar, almost kind of stumbles, you know, trying to 556 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 2: find in my footing, trying to find my footing. And now, finally, 557 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,919 Speaker 2: I think, as everybody has seen over the course of 558 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: this pure tournament, I've found my footing. I'm on the 559 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: path now. It's been three submission victories in a row, 560 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 2: the last one against Jay Lethal tapping them out in 561 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 2: the middle of the ring. I mean, I've found the 562 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: path now. And so to have the opportunity, the almost 563 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: that poetic opportunity to take the first match I had 564 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 2: in this company and correct it and right that wrong. 565 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: I'm not going to miss out on that shot. So yeah, 566 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 2: it would mean the world to do that. 567 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people were pegging this, as 568 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 4: you know, we're definitely seeing Lethal and Grisham in the final. 569 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 4: I think it was just kind of the conclusion. So 570 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 4: I think you you tapping out Lethal definitely through the 571 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 4: through the wild card in there. 572 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that was the big motivator, Like you were 573 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: saying about how like when people call you underrated, it 574 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 2: like gives you that chip on the shoulder. You know. 575 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: It's like the fact seeing so many people assume that, 576 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 2: you know, and like write all these brackets like, oh, 577 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,120 Speaker 2: the finals are obviously going to be looking at the blocks. 578 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 2: Lethan Gresham, lethresh Thrush Lethol didn't even mention my name, 579 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: and you know his post fight promo leading up to 580 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 2: our fight, and it's like, you know, it's promo, we're 581 00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,479 Speaker 2: supposed to promote our fight. You're not gonna mention my name. 582 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: You know, that was fire under my ass right there. 583 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure a lot of people were expecting 584 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 2: that in the finals, and you know, it felt really 585 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:21,359 Speaker 2: great to like bust everybody's brackets and have that moment 586 00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 2: of like, no, it's me and him now. 587 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: So it's kind of like, uh, our Tennessee Titans last 588 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 4: year in the final, in the playoffs, we just we 589 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,679 Speaker 4: kept going and kept going, and we're like. 590 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 1: We're ruining for everyone. 591 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's a good feeling when you're on that 592 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 2: side of it. Yeah yeah. 593 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: And then you know you talk about it and the 594 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: good feeling, it's like lethal just kind of overlooked you, 595 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: didn't care, didn't think anything of you, and he knew 596 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: that he was going to go against Gresham and then 597 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: literally in the middle of the ring. 598 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but you know, he's a professional. He showed 599 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 2: showed respect during the match. After the match, you know, 600 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 2: I think he just overlooked me. He made a mistake, 601 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: you know, he he got cocky. 602 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 4: That strikes me as someone who didn't you know, review 603 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: tape and you know kind of maybe maybe the accolades 604 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 4: were coming in too soon and he was coasting on 605 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 4: his name or something and learned the hard way. 606 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, no, no hard feelings. You know, one 607 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 2: of the one of the best professionalist is around today 608 00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 2: somebody else. I think a lot of people throw that 609 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: underrated name at h for a good reason because he's 610 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: that good. Yeah, he's absolutely. 611 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 4: You may not be able to mention much about this 612 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 4: if it's kind of some behind the scenes stuff, but 613 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 4: could you give us an update on Lifeblood and like 614 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 4: where you know, is there still plan to kind of 615 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 4: bring you guys in full force after the pandemic or 616 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 4: it's definitely kind of a weird, you know, limbo time 617 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: right now. 618 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. And I think it's another one of 619 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 2: those sort of I don't know, lucky timing moments where 620 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: like it feels like Ring of Honor as a whole 621 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 2: has kind of hit like a reset button, and a 622 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 2: lot of things that were on the table that were 623 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 2: maybe half built, have been sort of pushed aside, and 624 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 2: they've built some new things that I feel are growing 625 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 2: even larger than those things from the past. And so 626 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 2: I think now the goal is to focus on what's 627 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 2: working and sort of treat this whole peer tournament as 628 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 2: a reset for everybody involved. Like I just said before, 629 00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,120 Speaker 2: it's no hard feelings towards anybody involved in that. It's 630 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: there's no grudge there. 631 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 3: You know. 632 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: It's like a lot of the time in wrestling when 633 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 2: you see groups have sort of changes or anything, they've 634 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 2: come in these big blow ups and like people start 635 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 2: fighting and everything. But this is just like a natural 636 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 2: moment of like a reassessment I think of what's working 637 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 2: and right now, what the focus is for me and 638 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 2: for Ring of Honor also is the pure tournament. And 639 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 2: so that means the focus for me is the pure title. 640 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520 Speaker 2: And then you know, when I win that pure title, 641 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 2: then the focus becomes holding onto it, and then the 642 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: focus becomes building up that, for lack of a better word, 643 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: new foundation of Ring of Honor and building on that 644 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 2: as this is the place with the greatest wrestling in 645 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 2: the world happens. And to be able to really truly 646 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 2: say that without question, you know, not just as a slogan, 647 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 2: not just as a catch phrase to put on the 648 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 2: end of a tweet, but a place where we can 649 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,120 Speaker 2: truly say that. So that is the focus now. As 650 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: far as what's in the future for Lifeblood, I think 651 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 2: we're all gonna have to find out, or maybe not 652 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 2: find out, you know, maybe this is just like New 653 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: New Season, you know. 654 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Now, I'll tell you this, and Eli can vouch 655 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: for this that people that have came on this show 656 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 1: have gone on to win the gold with the exception 657 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: of two guys that we won't say because they get 658 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: mad at it, that went on and lost the tag 659 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: team titles in New Japan. But that doesn't count. Everybody 660 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: else has been on this show has gone on to 661 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: win the gold. So you're in. 662 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 4: The last live wrestling that we attended was Ring of 663 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 4: Honor in Nashville, So that was February and it was yeah, 664 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 4: it was the it was the night Nick All this 665 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 4: came out, and I think it was the day before 666 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 4: Pco dropped the belt. He was still the champ and 667 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 4: then the next night he fought Rush and then dropped it. 668 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 4: So so yeah, so not only are we ready for 669 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 4: live wrestling again, ready for Ring of Honor live wrestling again. 670 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: So here here's the time where you get to plug 671 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: whatever you want to know. You got a new T 672 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,239 Speaker 1: shirt out, so where can people Where can people keep 673 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 1: up with you online? Where can people get that new 674 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: T shirt? As you see, I'm repping the Ring of Honor, 675 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: so I got to get me a Tracy Williams shirt soon. 676 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: So yeah, if you had to r wrestling dot Com, 677 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 2: slash shop should be right there at the top. It's 678 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: brand new. I'm pretty psyched on it. You know. I 679 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 2: was able to get the design done myself, which is 680 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: something I really appreciate. Another thing like working for a 681 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 2: company like this, A lot of a lot of the 682 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 2: big wrestling companies don't let you do that. 683 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 4: You know. 684 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: They want creative control over everything. They want to have 685 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: evident too, right, they want to have their hand and 686 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 2: every single thing, and they it was very easy to 687 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: get the permission to do that and to get the 688 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,160 Speaker 2: freedom to do that, the creative freedom to do that. 689 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: So really psyched on the shirt. I think, I think 690 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: it's really cool. 691 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: I like it. 692 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 2: I have the design done by a really talented designer. 693 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 2: Their Instagram designer is Shay hard Acre as h e 694 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 2: a hard Acre on Instagram. They're really dope. So yeah, 695 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: check out that shirt. I think it's really cool. And yeah, 696 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 2: that's like the main thing. I have the plug right now. 697 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: And of course, watch, like you said, watch me win 698 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 2: the Pure title because that's what we're putting into the world, right, 699 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 2: that's the energy we're putting into the world. It's John 700 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 2: Gresham and I going at it for the Pure Championship. 701 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you guys in my corner. I 702 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 2: really appreciate it. Thank you for having me on your show. 703 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 4: And you take the time, man, it's gotta be exciting 704 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 4: you gt Halloween coming up and then you're winning the 705 00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 4: Pure title. 706 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, it's a shame man in New York. Halloween 707 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240 Speaker 2: is like the thing man, like you could see so 708 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: many things normally announce like what are we all going 709 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,200 Speaker 2: to do? Sit around in our house is in wacky outfense. 710 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 1: But you know you can have the Halloween hangover right 711 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: after you sit there. You can hang out in your 712 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: Halloween costume with that beautiful rohpo. 713 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,680 Speaker 2: Title right exactly. Yeah, maybe I'll go as Doug Williams 714 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 2: or something. 715 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 4: For that's awesome. 716 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,880 Speaker 1: That is the best. Well, we appreciate you taking the 717 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: time out and we are looking forward to it Monday, 718 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: seven pm Eastern. It is the Pure Tournament Finals, gonna 719 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 1: see Tracy versus Gresham, and we're not going to have 720 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,479 Speaker 1: a repeat of Tracy's debute. We're gonna have a change 721 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: of court and it's going to be that hand raise 722 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: and Tracy's gonna have some gold to hang back there 723 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 1: behind him on one of those shelves. 724 00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 2: Yes, thank you, thank you for the positive energy. Appreciate it. 725 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Battleground Podcast. 726 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: Make sure you give it five stars and a nice review. 727 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: To stay up to date with the show, follow them 728 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 2: at Battleground Podcast on Instagram,