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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys. This he is Talking Cowboys, springing live.

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Speaker 3: From the Dallas Cowboys World Course at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 4: Puts take boarders here, plus Dot Tenzon, Teddy Patdown.

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Speaker 1: And now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 5: Twenty seven to seventeen the final score in Week nine

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Speaker 5: of the NFL season as the Cowboys fall to three

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Speaker 5: five and one at the hands of the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 6: On Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 5: Welcome in to Talking Cowboys, presented by Black Rifle Coffee Company.

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Speaker 5: Here from the Star in Frisco and the SWBC Studios.

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Speaker 5: We've got Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand Back,

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Speaker 5: Chris Beam in the back. I'm Kyle Yeoman's Cowboys struggle

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Speaker 5: on third down, they struggle to hold on to the

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Speaker 5: football and just one offensive touchdown and it took till

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Speaker 5: the midway point of the fourth quarter to find the

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Speaker 5: end zone on the offensive side of things all, a

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Speaker 5: recipe for losing is ultimately.

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Speaker 6: What it was for. I don't like that, Kyle.

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Speaker 5: It is not a cake you want. It is not

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Speaker 5: a meal you want. But either way, you got to

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Speaker 5: take that l It's a little salty, It's very salty today.

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Speaker 5: A little sour and salty is so that's gross.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, neither one of those sound.

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Speaker 7: You can't have a salty cake, Kyle, salty cake. Salty

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Speaker 7: cake is not good cat ingredients.

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Speaker 5: I'm just gonna keep pushing past twenty seven to seventeen.

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Speaker 5: You fall to a two to five Cardinals team. All

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Speaker 5: of us here on say it with your chest. Friday

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Speaker 5: picked the Cowboys, and all of us were indeed wrong.

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Speaker 8: You know what, Kyle, you were right after we all

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Speaker 8: picked the Cowboy is Kyle at the very end of

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Speaker 8: that second said well, congrats.

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Speaker 9: Congrats, because that is a dub for you for all

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Speaker 9: of us picking.

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Speaker 6: The Dallas Cowboy.

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Speaker 5: Now today another storyline. We are not taking phone calls

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Speaker 5: today because there's just too much to break down from

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Speaker 5: yesterday's game, plus the trade deadline that is today, and

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Speaker 5: the Cowboys have already made one move, trading a twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty sixth seventh round pick to a choir linebacker. Logan

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Speaker 5: Wilson will talk more about that in News and Notes

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Speaker 5: here in a moment, but really, when it comes down

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Speaker 5: to it, Patrick, I'm gonna start with the game.

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Speaker 10: You didn't play well. You're not playing well.

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Speaker 5: You're zero to two over these last couple games going

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Speaker 5: into the trade deadline, when you either could have been

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Speaker 5: at five hundred or above five hundred and given yourself

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Speaker 5: life going into the toughest part of your schedule post by.

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Speaker 11: Sweet Chin Music past the Awkschord. Hmmm, you're three five

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Speaker 11: and one now three five and one. So last week's

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Speaker 11: lab Coat, I said, the best case scenario if you

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Speaker 11: lose this game is that you would have fourteen to

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Speaker 11: fifteen percent of making the playoffs. That was best case scenario.

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Speaker 11: That means all the other dominoes had to fall in

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Speaker 11: your favor as far as other teams losing and so forth.

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Speaker 11: What is it now? It's ten percent and ten that

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Speaker 11: might be generals, that might be generous.

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Speaker 12: That doesn't seem very high.

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Speaker 11: It's actually quite low. So much no, no, no, out

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Speaker 11: of the whole one Hunter. So, if you're if you're

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Speaker 11: a Cowboys fan right now, and you were considering some

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Speaker 11: vacation time in January, but you were concerned that it

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Speaker 11: might conflict with some possible Cowboys games. Odds are you're

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Speaker 11: perfectly fine.

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Speaker 12: Don't you put that evil on me?

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Speaker 6: You put that evil on medses Is in January.

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Speaker 11: Odds are that you're perfectly fine. I mean this Cowboys,

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Speaker 11: are you just you just failed at three one and

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Speaker 11: you fail at three five and one in you know,

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Speaker 11: generous playoff odds at ten percent. Yeah, to a pre

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Speaker 11: previously listless Arizona Cardinals team that was two and five.

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Speaker 11: We did sit here and say.

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Speaker 12: At least they were on a hot streak right going

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Speaker 12: into this game.

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Speaker 6: They had lost five straight. Oh, they were on a streak.

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Speaker 11: Cool, right, And we sat here and said last week,

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Speaker 11: we said, you know, it doesn't matter the way this

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Speaker 11: Murray or Jacoby Brissett. They both presented their own sort

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Speaker 12: That wasn't Kurt Warner out there.

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Speaker 11: No, it wasn't. It looked very Tom bradyish in the

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Speaker 11: way that he was just dissecting those guys. But then

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Speaker 11: what makes it worse is and again we've come to

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Speaker 11: we've come to expect that this defense is going to struggle.

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Speaker 11: We've expected that, right two weeks in a row, though, Cayle,

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Speaker 11: you want to repeat what you said. Two weeks in a.

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Speaker 10: Row, the offense did not play well.

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Speaker 6: They scored at all?

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Speaker 11: How many offensive touchdowns?

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Speaker 6: Just one? One was in the fourth? Wait?

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Speaker 12: Was Dak healthy?

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Speaker 8: Yes, CD, George Pickens, Jake Ferguson, come on to Turbine, Andrew.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Williams, Ye, Cooper.

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Speaker 11: BB, Tyler Guy, even Cooper BB and Tyler Smith.

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Speaker 10: They were out Booker full strength.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, oh yeah, and it mattered not because the Cowboys

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Speaker 11: allowed a total of nineteenoteen And we talked about the

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Speaker 11: defense where he warned on nineteen pressures on thirty nine

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Speaker 12: That sounds pretty high.

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Speaker 11: Nineteen on thirty nine drop backs. That's forty eight pressured. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: pressured nineteen times and thirty nine drop backs.

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Speaker 6: It felt like that on the film too.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, he was hit what eleven times? Nine times five secs? Yeah,

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Speaker 11: this is now Now, Now we're at the point where

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Speaker 11: nobody's carrying anybody. You needed the offense to carry the defense. No, no,

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Speaker 11: they're not strapped up. Left them at home, yeah, left

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Speaker 11: them home. So now it's to quote Josh Rodriguez, what

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Speaker 8: Also another quote coach Darry Dennis Greens of the Arizona

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Speaker 8: Cardinals one of the most famous quoits of all time. I'm

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Speaker 8: gonna adjust it a little bit. They aren't who we

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Speaker 6: I don't like that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, and yet, look like we just talked about

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Speaker 8: full capacity going up against a team that has lost

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Speaker 9: That is, for real an embarrassing performance.

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Speaker 7: Okay, so a couple of things. A couple of things.

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Speaker 7: We all said that the Cowboys going to win. I

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Speaker 7: be in the form of sustained drives. Offensively, you weren't

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Speaker 7: going to get the big play on Arizona. We said

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Speaker 7: that on Thursday correct or Wednesday. Sorry, my apologies. We

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Speaker 7: to do what versus a three or four defense? Run

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, did you run the ball effectively with Jamonte Williams.

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Speaker 7: Yes, you know it was a fourteen or fifteen eighty five.

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Speaker 6: You run it tough too.

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Speaker 7: So Javonte Williams did well with what he was given,

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Speaker 7: yet he only had fifteen carries. So you did not

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Speaker 7: stick to the run even though it was effective. In

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Speaker 7: the passing game, your passing concepts were very predictable. Also

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Speaker 7: still did not have a good game. Guiden did not

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Speaker 7: These guys allowed pressures non stop, seemingly there was always

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Speaker 7: didn't help either. He was sitting back in his at

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Speaker 7: does not help your offensive linemen in terms of their

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Speaker 7: that makes their job easier defensively, So he's to blame

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Speaker 6: Receivers in tight ends tight ends had a rough night.

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Speaker 7: They just call it what it is. Jake Ferguson had

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Speaker 7: a rough night. Pass It just wasn't great for Jake

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Speaker 7: k it was it was not in good hands yesterday.

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Speaker 7: Receivers CD didn't give the best effort yesterday. I'll call

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Speaker 7: the spade a spade. Go back and watch the film.

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Speaker 7: There was a lot of a lot of what I

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Speaker 7: speaking to him. I'm just talking about going position by

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Speaker 12: Was that in run blocking or this was in routes, routes.

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Speaker 6: Routes a lot of half speed routes.

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Speaker 7: Have you guys noticed that there was a lot of

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Speaker 7: batted balls at the point of the reception for for CD,

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Speaker 7: A lot of those were kind of half speed routes.

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Speaker 7: Dak was off, was not on time on some of

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Speaker 6: Should have released the ball before he got out of

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Speaker 7: But also he didn't have a great understanding of the

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Speaker 6: Probably thirty percent of the snaps.

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Speaker 7: Yesterday, five down linemen, one linebacker, oftentimes Kenneth Murray was

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Speaker 6: Up being a blitzer.

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Speaker 7: I guess I mean you dropped out James Houston and

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Speaker 7: Sam Williams into coverage numbers of times, not the guys

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Speaker 7: they do. Neither is Marqu's Bell a cover safety. Much

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Speaker 7: like earlier in the year, you're asking Donovan Wilson to

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Speaker 7: and he's being asked to guard one of the best

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Speaker 6: Just not going to happen. I don't blame the player.

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Speaker 7: He doesn't have the capabilities of executing what you're asking

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Speaker 7: him to do. I go back to what I said

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Speaker 7: weeks ago, long time ago, or actually private camp. These

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Speaker 7: are damn quinn players that you're asking to play man

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Speaker 7: to man. These are strong safeties. Strong safeties can't play man.

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Speaker 7: But these are not their position. That's not what they do.

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Speaker 7: It's not Darren Woodson. And then last, lastly, Deryn Bladd

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Speaker 7: had a rough night.

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Speaker 6: Oh you're being nice.

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Speaker 7: He had a rough night. Marvin Harrison Junior had his way,

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Speaker 7: Wilson had his way some of these routes. He had

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Speaker 7: a rough night. I'm not even just talking about the

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Speaker 7: There was other routes playing off coverage. Matt eber Flus,

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Speaker 7: You gotta stop man like I like, you gotta stop

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Speaker 7: like some things are the players second and twelve and

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Speaker 7: you're giving up eight yard passes untouched, tight ends, running

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Speaker 7: Nobody's getting a hand on these guys at all. These

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Speaker 7: the trade. That's it's not gonna address the problem now.

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Speaker 6: I don't know.

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Speaker 7: We'll see, but does it impact the other position groups

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Speaker 6: I hope that this trade helps the team, but I

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Speaker 7: Regardless of how good he comes in playing, he's gonna

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Speaker 7: face the same problems offensive linemen are getting on linebackers.

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Speaker 6: Our linebackers are unable to get off of three hundred

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Speaker 7: A two hundred and forty five pound linebacker is not

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Speaker 11: There's this real quick and then we'll get back to

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Speaker 11: putting built the ass. Gavonte Williams just he just did

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Speaker 7: You do that when you're when you're when you're string,

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Speaker 6: Williams ran the ball. Great.

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Speaker 7: Gervonte Williams miss missed guys or guys miss tackles on

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Speaker 7: Javontay Williams in pass blocking put guys on their tail.

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Speaker 5: Even on the play that he fumbled on. Remember it

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Speaker 5: It was, yeah, met by one guy stayed on his feet,

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Speaker 11: Rich just trying to recovering. He was just trying it

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Speaker 8: Two guys that were pressing. But you know, actually did

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Speaker 11: So those critics to those guys, I mean, yeah.

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Speaker 11: You know, I felt that way because he'd start about

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Speaker 8: And I think that's also a lack of confidence in

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Speaker 8: It is just a fundamental problem from the top down.

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Speaker 6: I do want to give kudos to two people.

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Speaker 7: I want to give kudos to Donovan as Irak, who

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Speaker 5: What have we talked about that? Donovan Azrak? Who can

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Speaker 6: Was it a speed rush or was it a technique?

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Speaker 7: That was a technique and quick cans and rose again.

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Speaker 6: It was good. Kudos to Irrefluce on that.

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Speaker 7: Because the five men front allow for all the guys

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Speaker 7: one of the reasons why you go to a five

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Speaker 7: it in coverage. When you go five guys versus five guys,

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Speaker 7: other gentleman who played lights Out was Jadavian Jadavian Clowney

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Speaker 6: Was a mad man there's a couple plays he took off, obviously,

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Speaker 8: One where we got the win knocked out of him,

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Speaker 6: Looked like a guy who was playing for his job.

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Speaker 7: It looked like he was playing like he had heard

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Speaker 11: Felt the type of way about it. Looks like a

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Speaker 11: He was upset and frustrated that he wasn't getting the reps.

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Speaker 11: He got the reps, and then he showed you why

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Speaker 5: Maybe he was ramping up to remember he's coming off

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Speaker 6: It took him maybe a month.

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Speaker 10: And I thought the front seven. I tweeted it last night.

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Speaker 5: It's one of the few bright spots in the game,

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Speaker 5: was the way that the front seven pieced things together.

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Speaker 5: I thought Solomon Thomas did a nice job at certain times.

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Speaker 6: I thought his.

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Speaker 5: Effort of a couple of opportunities was certainly there. I

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Speaker 5: thought Osa had a couple reps that you liked. Kenny

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Speaker 5: There were good things on the front seven. But that's

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Speaker 5: what's so frustrating about this whole team is the one

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Speaker 6: You got to start with the pass rush.

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Speaker 5: You got to start with the defensive tackles, You got

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Speaker 5: You finally get some pass rush, but then everything else

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Speaker 10: Everything else just kind of men. It falls off an edge.

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Speaker 5: Your offense can't play at the high level that they

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Speaker 6: Like it's just that's what's frustrating.

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Speaker 5: It's like you're going to your grandma's house on Christmas, right.

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Speaker 5: I heard this from Steve Sarkji in the Texas head coach.

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Speaker 5: He's like, when you're going to your grandma's house and

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Speaker 6: And it's that's exactly what it is. Right now.

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Speaker 5: You're trying to turn these lights to fix your Christmas

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Speaker 6: That's the problem that you're having. Or I have LEDs

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Speaker 5: This Louis Vaton is like laptop bag without a laptop

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Speaker 11: In condition lights. So what are you going all that?

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Speaker 6: To be said?

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Speaker 8: The defense allowed twenty seven points, and I think any

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Speaker 6: Have I would have taken that.

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Speaker 8: You would have taken that, yeah, because you would have

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Speaker 12: No longer anymore.

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Speaker 8: But you'd expect that out of guys that any other

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Speaker 7: But we sat here and told you on Wednesday. At

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Speaker 7: you just weren't not against that defense. That defense was sound,

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Speaker 7: That defense communicated on the back end.

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Speaker 6: That defense was gonna bend, but don't break.

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Speaker 7: What do we say they will let you get down

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Speaker 7: the field until win, until the reds on it?

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Speaker 6: Then what are they going to force you to do?

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Speaker 6: Kick field goals?

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Speaker 7: Oh that's right, you want to go for it on

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Speaker 8: There's another fundamental problem when you're four yards out and

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Speaker 8: and you decide I don't trust him right here in

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Speaker 12: Well, i'll tell you to run it twice in a row.

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Speaker 12: I'll tell you to get you a touchdown.

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you what happened there. So you're you're moving

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Speaker 11: the ball downfield fairly easily. Javonte Williams, he's absolutely eating right.

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Speaker 11: And then the first sign that you might have that

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Speaker 11: you will have protection issues, Walter Nolan gets to TfL

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Speaker 11: at that moment it kind of struck Brian Shotenhammer. He

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Speaker 11: it's fair.

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Speaker 11: I was going to say, Okay, is that not the.

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Speaker 6: Three to four defense in this running game? It was.

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Speaker 6: It provided a problem.

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Speaker 7: It posed a big problem for the blocking scheme because

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Speaker 6: However, you want to refer.

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Speaker 7: To him was constantly unblocked, and it was almost like, hey,

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Speaker 7: He'll never beat us down there, but there's nobody stopping him.

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Speaker 7: And like, I don't know what it is about the

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Speaker 11: I've been seeing some good things totally.

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Speaker 6: They have some talent. You have some great talent, and

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Speaker 5: We're smiling through what was a twenty seven to seventeen

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Speaker 5: loss for the Cowboys in Week ninety season I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: That's okay, I'm good. I'm glad you have that mindset,

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Speaker 6: and everybody that's watching this show, I'm sure has that

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Speaker 5: We really appreach agent tuning in the biggest thing for

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Speaker 5: me going into the bye week, going into the toughest

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Speaker 5: part of your schedule. That does happen after the Vegas game.

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Speaker 5: But still, I mean, you lost. You lost to the

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Speaker 8: Five Begins at the Vegas That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: It's like you've lost two straight. Now you've lost to

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Speaker 5: the two and five Cardinals. There's nobody on this schedule

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Speaker 5: from here on out that you can take lightly at

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Speaker 5: any point in time. So with all that being said,

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Speaker 5: where do you start on this squad.

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Speaker 6: Let's start on the offensive side of the ball. Because

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Speaker 6: they did struggle.

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Speaker 5: They're at full strength, Josh, you mentioned it earlier, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they were at full strength. At what point in the year,

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Speaker 5: nine weeks in have you looked at your offense and said,

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Speaker 5: there's not a single impact player that you would rather have.

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Speaker 6: On the field than what you had available.

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Speaker 8: It starts at the point of attack. Your offensive line

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Speaker 8: is not playing well. I mean, Tyler Smith had a

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Speaker 8: pretty bad game. Considering what you'd expect out of Tyler Smith,

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Speaker 8: I think down the line, I think you have to

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Speaker 8: consider now Nate Thomas starting at right tackle.

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Speaker 12: I really do. Wow, Terrence Steele had a.

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Speaker 5: Terrible Somebody asked me that on the radio last week,

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Speaker 5: and I kind of threw that out there. I said

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Speaker 5: out I don't want to replace Guidon at left tackle.

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Speaker 12: But no no ceiling is there?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if there's a conversation to be had, I think

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Speaker 5: Terrence Steele's had a worse season than Tyler Geiden.

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Speaker 9: And I think something about Nate Thomas.

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Speaker 8: Whenever he does step in, it doesn't feel like you

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Speaker 8: actually there's not a regression, there a drop off. I

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Speaker 8: think adding him into the fold might give you more chemistry.

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Speaker 8: I don't know, but I'm willing to try it. At

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Speaker 8: this point, your offensive line is not getting the push

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Speaker 5: And accountability time, at least for me specifically. I can't

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Speaker 5: remember who else talked about this on this show previously,

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Speaker 5: but I thought this coaching staff would be the answer

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Speaker 5: for Tyler all right, for Terrence Steele. I thought this

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Speaker 5: coaching staff would be a benefit for Steel more than

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Speaker 5: anything in the off season, and a fully healthy off

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Speaker 5: season was one. But getting the right coaching staff with

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Speaker 5: Connor Riley and Clayton Adams. I thought Terrence Steele would

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Speaker 5: benefit more from this. I haven't seen it in twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty five. So that's what's disappointed.

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Speaker 8: And even a guy like Tyler Booker who had a

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Speaker 8: relatively who has had a relatively decent season so far

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Speaker 8: when he's been healthy for you.

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Speaker 9: But I mean that penalty yesterday killed.

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Speaker 12: You, that killed a drive.

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Speaker 8: I mean just big, just bad miscommunication, bad chemistry, just

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Speaker 8: bad bad offensive.

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Speaker 11: Blind plays so far, holding calls, holding, oh man, that

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Speaker 11: just absolutely murdered their penalties again. But so here's my

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Speaker 11: only are they playing poorly even now that they're whole.

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Speaker 11: You say, well, I would, and I get you say

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Speaker 11: I want to see more of Nate Thomas because Terrence

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Speaker 11: Steele at a really big game and attribute to whatever

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Speaker 11: you want you could see.

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Speaker 6: It's not just the bad Yeah, it's not just that

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Speaker 6: he did have a bad game, right, But no.

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Speaker 11: So I understand, I understand those that would like to

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 11: The problem is is you saw Nate Thomas yesterday and

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Speaker 11: his reps.

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Speaker 6: He also did that. He didn't play great either.

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Speaker 11: Terrence Steele had a greater number of reps. Right, he

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Speaker 11: allowed five pressures in a sec. Nate Thomas came in

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Speaker 11: on a fewer number of reps, had four pressures allowed

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Speaker 5: GB not great, buff, but a lot of that is

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Speaker 5: because he's working as a second teamer and he's working

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Speaker 5: at left tackle, and then he's working at right tackle,

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Speaker 5: and then there's.

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Speaker 6: A little bit there at this job swing tackle. I get.

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Speaker 8: But also at that point, the Cardinals are hunting. Absolutely,

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Speaker 8: you're not running, relying on the run game at all,

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Speaker 8: and you're throwing down the field.

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Speaker 12: Throwing down the field.

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Speaker 8: ZAC is taking a sweet time getting the ball out

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Speaker 8: there because the receivers aren't getting open, they're not creating space.

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Speaker 12: It is not good bye.

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Speaker 11: I get what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 11: Yes, you are now in a situation where you mostly

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Speaker 11: one dimensional and the pass get to pin their ears back.

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Speaker 11: I get it. But the other team getting to pin

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Speaker 11: their ears bag doesn't undermine the fact that your job

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Speaker 11: is to stop them from getting to your quarter.

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Speaker 6: But let me ask you this.

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Speaker 11: It either did or you did not.

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Speaker 5: If Terrence Steele was out there in the same reps

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Speaker 5: that Nate Thomas was out there laid in the game

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Speaker 5: pin your ears back one dimensional, could you say it

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Speaker 5: would be any better?

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Speaker 6: No? See, that's what I'm saying. That's my point.

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Speaker 11: My point is we're looking for solutions on the offensive line,

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Speaker 11: and I'm saying that. It's easy to say, and I'm

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Speaker 11: not saying you're wrong. Again, I'm not saying you're wrong

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Speaker 11: in wanting to see Nate Thomas. Sure, I'm saying, pump

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Speaker 11: the brakes on saying that Nate Thomas is the fix.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 11: No, you just saw Nate Thomas struggle when he was

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Speaker 11: put in because Steel was struggled.

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Speaker 6: I'm not on board with switching up to O line.

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Speaker 6: You want to keep it. I want to keep it.

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Speaker 6: And I get that the line is not playing as

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Speaker 6: a unit. That's the problem. They're playing as individuals.

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Speaker 7: I feel like the interior three are playing as a

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Speaker 7: remotely like a unit. But when you go back and

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Speaker 7: watch the film, even though we feel like Gavonte Williams

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Speaker 7: still had a relatively good game with the opportunities that

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Speaker 7: he had, he had to create a lot and the

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Speaker 7: reason why he had to create a live is because

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Speaker 7: guys are unblocked, and the guys that are unblocked are

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Speaker 7: guys at the second level. This offensive line is not

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Speaker 7: working up to the second level. You turn on the film,

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Speaker 7: you watch the run game, just go go ahead and

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Speaker 7: just filter it out and just push all run game.

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Speaker 7: Look at how many guys are running free. In terms

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Speaker 7: of the linebackers. Our officeive line is getting stalemated. Whether

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Speaker 7: we have one or two guys responsible for an individual,

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Speaker 7: they're not moving those guys to the second level and

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Speaker 7: then shedding right, letting guys go, and then going and

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Speaker 7: getting the linebacker you have. Sometimes you have combo blocks

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Speaker 7: where you have a three technique, a right, your center,

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Speaker 7: your guard work together boom shoulder or shoulder shoulder. If

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Speaker 7: I'm the center, i might push him over to you

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Speaker 7: and now I'm going to may assign which is the

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Speaker 7: second level linebacker.

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Speaker 6: That's not happening. We're not getting to that second phase.

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Speaker 7: And the reason why you're not getting these big splash

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Speaker 6: It's like playing Dog on Gears of War.

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Speaker 7: You know what I mean, Like you're playing it's like

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Speaker 7: you're on the first wave still, you know you haven't

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Speaker 7: you haven't cleared the first wave, so you can't even

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Speaker 7: talk about getting to the next one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's why those splash players aren't happening. So

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Speaker 6: I'm less.

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Speaker 7: Yes, still needed some help yesterday, and Javontay william stepped

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Speaker 7: them off his blocks. Like, there are some things that

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Speaker 7: it probably was. Dak didn't Dak didn't do well either.

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Speaker 7: He just didn't do well either. There were opportunities to

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Speaker 7: stand in there and throw the ball he didn't.

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Speaker 6: At times.

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Speaker 5: I do understand the continuity, and we talked about this

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Speaker 5: last night. On the postgame show, Nate Newton went deep

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Speaker 5: into it. He said, this offensive line needs to play

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Speaker 5: more together. That's the first game where they're all back

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Speaker 5: in however many weeks, five times Pro Bowl right, six

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Speaker 5: time prole Boiler. I completely get all of that. And

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Speaker 5: I've been very adamant on this show and even on

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Speaker 5: the Draft show before about keeping the continuity up front

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Speaker 5: and keeping the same five starting guys all year long.

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Speaker 5: We talked about it through training camp as well. I

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Speaker 5: just I'm getting closer to the end of the rope.

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Speaker 5: When it comes to the Terrence Steel thing, That's.

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Speaker 6: Kind of where I'm at.

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Speaker 5: It's I've always been one to say Terrence Steel's been

681
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Speaker 5: doing fine work over there. Is he one of the

682
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Speaker 5: best right tackles in football? No, he never has been.

683
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Speaker 5: Is he a serviceable right tackle that can get the

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Speaker 5: job done when you need him to. Absolutely, He's a

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Speaker 5: good run blocker at different times. But the more I've

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Speaker 5: seen him struggle this year, and the more I've seen

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Speaker 5: Nate Thomas come in and fill in admirably at left

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Speaker 5: tackle or at right tackle. I know he struggled at

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Speaker 5: the end of the game yesterday. I still want to

690
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Speaker 5: see more of it, but I don't necessarily want to

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Speaker 5: switch it all up.

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Speaker 6: So I'm kind of in like a No man's Land

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Speaker 6: purgatory type thing.

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Speaker 5: Whenever it comes to the autos line and I think,

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Speaker 5: look at what they've done, that might be the case.

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Speaker 6: It really might be.

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Speaker 5: I'm totally fine moving forward with the same five guys

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Speaker 5: because they haven't played together. But if we continuously see

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Speaker 5: them play together, and it's the.

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Speaker 6: Same problem over and over and over again.

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Speaker 5: That's where I think you need to start making some moves,

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Speaker 5: just to see what's happening, because if your offensive line

703
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Speaker 5: is struggling enough to make a move in the next

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Speaker 5: three to four games, you're not gonna be sitting at.

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Speaker 6: Three five and one anymore.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna be at three eight four seven, four eight

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Speaker 5: and one instead, and by that point you might as

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Speaker 5: well see what you've got with Nate.

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Speaker 8: I'm curious if Nate Newton would he's gonna have hanging

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Speaker 8: with the boys later. I'm curious how he would speak

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Speaker 8: in regards to like them playing as a unit, if

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Speaker 8: at all so far the season, if they've had enough

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Speaker 8: time to really get that chemistry together, or if it

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Speaker 8: is a coaching thing.

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Speaker 11: That's not where I thought you were going with it.

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Speaker 11: I thought you were going to say, I'm curious to

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Speaker 11: see if Nate Newton is willing to suit up.

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Speaker 5: I will say, that's a great question, and Nate, I

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Speaker 5: know you're listening. If you want, give me a call

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Speaker 5: right now and I'll pull you up on speakerphone and

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Speaker 5: you can answer that question.

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Speaker 11: I'm with you, with you on this cal I say,

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Speaker 11: at the moment, I might as well see if these

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Speaker 11: if their front five, can can regain chemistry going forward.

725
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Speaker 11: But you have to be very careful here, and this

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Speaker 11: goes to your point in two ways. Number One, if

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Speaker 11: they cannot get the chemistry regained for whatever reason over

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Speaker 11: the next couple of games, I would start making changes

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Speaker 11: because number one, you do need to see what you

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Speaker 11: have for the future in Nate Thomas, because that's going

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Speaker 11: to color your decisions in the offseason as far as

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Speaker 11: trying to address the right tackle position. In addition to that,

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Speaker 11: if they can't get the chemistry back, you have to

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Speaker 11: do something to try to protect Dak Prescott. You can't

735
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Speaker 11: just there or you just got to start trying Joe

736
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Speaker 11: Milton out there because you can't risk the franchise. You

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Speaker 11: just can't risk the franchise.

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Speaker 5: There's a lot on the table whenever it comes to

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Speaker 6: Hope there's some more on the table.

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Speaker 5: There is is in trades. Let's talk about it when

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Speaker 11: Oh I could be, but you just don't want to be.

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Speaker 11: Just please good team.

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Speaker 7: We said that they lost five games by a number

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Speaker 6: We said, do not overlook it.

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Speaker 7: And we said at their secondary took away what Dallas

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Speaker 12: And I said that we're going to win.

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Speaker 6: We're going to give the ball to Jamonte thirty times.

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Speaker 5: But no Isaiah stand Back, Josh Rodriguez, Patrick Noci Walker,

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Speaker 5: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman's Cowboys have

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Speaker 5: made a trade. Everybody, is it gonna fix the defense? No,

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Speaker 5: it's not. But I actually do like the trade. Logan

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Speaker 5: Wilson linebacker from the Cincinnati Bengals. He was a third

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Speaker 5: round pick out of Wyoming. He was one of my

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Speaker 5: favorite players in the draft in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 12: I loved log I was hoping to hear that from CA.

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Speaker 6: I like about him.

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Speaker 5: He was just a sideline, sideline dog, downhill, good tackler.

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Speaker 5: He had over five hundred tackles with Cincinnati. He was

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Speaker 5: a first team All Mountain West I believe back in

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Speaker 5: the day, second and the first Okay So Multi All

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Speaker 5: Conference honoree. He was the most fun true middle linebacker

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Speaker 5: at the Senior Bowl back in twenty twenty, and that

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Speaker 5: was the first time I really watched him turned on

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Speaker 5: the film.

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Speaker 6: It was much of the same.

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Speaker 5: He just flies around back and forth, and he played

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Speaker 5: like that in starts with Cincinnati. I'll get there when

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00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 5: he played like that a couple times and starts. But

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Speaker 5: then as time went on he started to lose playing

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Speaker 5: time with the Bengals, fell out of favor with their system.

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Speaker 6: A little bit.

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Speaker 5: I think he fits well here, But if you're thinking

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Speaker 5: he's the fix to the defense, he's absolutely not.

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Speaker 6: You traded a seventh round pick for him.

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Speaker 5: It's a low value, high risk or a low risk

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Speaker 5: possibly high reward or even medium reward for the Cowboys.

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Speaker 12: I'm okay with it's a definite upgrade at the position.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it gives you another capable body at the linebacker

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Speaker 5: position right now over.

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Speaker 12: The guys that you currently have. Isaiah stand back.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to ask the man who studied him in college,

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Speaker 7: because you're about to pay this dude nine million dollars

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Speaker 7: a year because you have them on the contract through

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Speaker 7: twenty six exactly, So nine million dollars a year linebacker

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Speaker 7: that you just added to your roster.

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Speaker 6: I think he's worth that.

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Speaker 7: What does he provide you that your current linebackers. Don't

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Speaker 7: you said running hit? All the linebackers we have running hits.

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Speaker 7: What else does he better in covered?

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Speaker 11: He can cover?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, he's better in coverage.

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Speaker 11: He's only he's only to that point. He's only two

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Speaker 11: seasons removed from having four interceptions, so he can cover.

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Speaker 11: He can get there. While Kyle is looking that up,

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Speaker 11: I will say.

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Speaker 6: This finding my twenty twenty draft notes. Fun. Oh you're

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Speaker 6: saying that all I love it my thing being oiled

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Speaker 6: Isaiah's nine million. I just need I need to know definitely.

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Speaker 7: What does he provide that that your current guys don't provide.

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Speaker 7: Murray tackle although and all the linebacks can run it tackle,

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Speaker 7: Shamar James running hit.

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Speaker 11: I'm delarious.

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Speaker 8: Part of me thinks it's what you expected out of

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Speaker 8: Jack Sanborn before you signed him.

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Speaker 12: It's what it's what you expected out of that position.

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Speaker 11: You never expect a sandpoint to cover like never. My

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Speaker 11: thing is this for what you gave up for Logan Wilson,

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Speaker 11: which is a twenty twenty six seventh round pick. I'm

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Speaker 11: fine with it, but we're not going to sit here

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Speaker 11: and say that you've seen Friday. Okay, remember when Smokey's

886
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 11: mama had gave him the dollar yes, and he was

887
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 11: like this ain't enough, and she was like make it enough.

888
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 11: That's what I feel like. Jerry is Ibraflus making Wilson

889
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 11: make it enough. Now they're you know, on the horn,

890
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 11: trying to get another one or two or however many trades.

891
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 11: But when it comes to Logan Wilson, he is an upgrade.

892
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 11: But two things can be true at the same time.

893
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 11: While I do believe he's an instant upgrade, and I

894
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 11: would like to see him in conjunction with overshow when

895
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 11: he comes back and I don't know what ebra Flus

896
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 11: is doing with Leo file, which is my question mark

897
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 11: because you had.

898
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 6: I don't know if they trust him, don't. I don't

899
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 6: know what's going on.

900
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 11: But nonetheless, let's let's go to Kyle Yeoman's scouting reports.

901
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 6: I found him my just side note.

902
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 5: My twenty twenty scouting reports are not as thorough as

903
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 5: they were as they are now.

904
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 10: It's very very light. That was my first go at

905
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 10: it here with the draft show.

906
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 5: I did what I could, but I'd stand by what

907
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 5: I wrote here. I said built a lot like Lve.

908
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 5: He reminded me, I guess of Layton vandersh at the time,

909
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 5: and Jerry even brought that up today on one O

910
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,400
Speaker 5: five three the Fan. He said he reminded him of

911
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 5: Layton vander ash and what he brought to the table said,

912
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 5: fluid in his movements and a solid tackler, durable, not

913
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 5: afraid of contact at the same time, great against the run,

914
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 5: can cover when you need him to. That was what

915
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 5: I had. That's my scouting report, Like I said, not.

916
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 8: So far, so good. A good evaluation of a player

917
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 8: that has played well. Yeah, especially you considered last season.

918
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,759
Speaker 5: This season, he was my number seven linebacker in the

919
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 5: class that year in twenty twenty, so that's a long

920
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 5: time ago. In the fact that he's stuck around for

921
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 5: this long shows that he's a solid linebacker and he's

922
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: had a decent career with Cincinnati.

923
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 11: And my concern here is, and I know a lot

924
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 11: of people are saying, well, you know the traded four

925
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 11: guy who got benched in Cincinnati. I think he got

926
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 11: benched in Cincinnati because he mentally checked out, mentally checked

927
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 11: out because that defense is is playing extremely poorly. Oh

928
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 11: but he signed into a defense that's playing well, right.

929
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 6: And they had what five guys request rades from that defense.

930
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: I think four or five guys from that defense alone.

931
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 7: Again, I go back to the same question, what does

932
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 7: he provide you that your current guys don't because you

933
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 7: play a two linebacker scheme as of yesterday one linebacker.

934
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 6: So are you taking.

935
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 7: Shamar James off the field who runs and hits? Are

936
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 7: you taking Kenneth Murray off the field who runs and hits?

937
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 7: Are you taking Maryor's leef out? Who's your rotational guy?

938
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 7: What does he give you that you're not currently getting.

939
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 7: I don't disrespect to the man.

940
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 11: I feel like this Murray off the field. I feel

941
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 11: like you takes Kenneth.

942
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 6: Murray off the field and Kenneth Murray runs in it.

943
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 11: I don't think it's because I think they're really trying

944
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 11: to saying he doesn't run, can continue the unleas of

945
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 11: Shamar and let get his lumps.

946
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 6: I wonder what it is coverage.

947
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 11: I think they're letting Shamar get his lumps, So I

948
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 11: don't think that they're going to pull back on Shamar.

949
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 11: I do think it's a it's a Kenneth Murray versus.

950
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 11: But we've already seen Leophile was getting the shorten of

951
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 11: the stick anyway, which means you're not trade. You're not

952
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 11: making this trade and eyeing a guy in leophil who's

953
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,319
Speaker 11: already getting the shortening of the stick and saying this

954
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 11: is to push you out. I think it's it's him versus. Yeah,

955
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 11: Murray versus and Logan Wilson.

956
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 12: For all intens and purposes.

957
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 8: You're starting linebackers against the Raiders, are going to be

958
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 8: Logan Wilson into Marvin.

959
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 11: OVERSHELLM yeah, yeah, so I think it pushes Murray to

960
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 11: the bench.

961
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 5: I once again, the trade happened early this morning. I

962
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 5: haven't watched any Logan Wilson film recently.

963
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,920
Speaker 10: I haven't had that conversation. I haven't watched the film yet.

964
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 5: So I will go and review this over the next

965
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 5: few days, as I'm sure all of us will. But

966
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,439
Speaker 5: his best coverage year came in twenty twenty two, where

967
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: he had the most snaps in coverage, He had the

968
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 5: most snaps, he had the most success in coverage. That year,

969
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 5: PFF gave him a seventy four. He did not have

970
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 5: another season after that where he was graded more than.

971
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 6: A fifty eight.

972
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 10: So and that's PFF.

973
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 6: Remember to take that with a grain of salt.

974
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 5: Everybody their grading system is hit or me, and it's

975
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 5: not the Bible when it comes to evaluating.

976
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 8: Players, and it depends on sample size two. But that

977
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 8: is a pretty large sample size too.

978
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 5: He had one thousand snaps in twenty three, he had

979
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 5: seven hundred and forty three snaps last year, and he

980
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 5: had three hundred and sixty two there.

981
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 8: But that's kind of where PF can get you, like

982
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 8: a low sample size can get you, like a highly

983
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 8: graded player that you're like, Okay, I took.

984
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 5: I agree with you, though, now now that I'm looking

985
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 5: at my notes and I'm looking at what has happened

986
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 5: in Cincinnati, just without watching the film. Disclaimer on Logan Wilson,

987
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:28,879
Speaker 5: I don't know if he does give you a whole

988
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 5: lot of what you already don't have. I don't know

989
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 5: if he adds anything here that you didn't already have

990
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 5: on your roster.

991
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 7: My and I go back to what I said last week,

992
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 7: But it's a seburb we're talking about.

993
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 6: It's a seventh rounder. But it's nine million.

994
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 7: That's what you're That's what you're paying him, regardless of

995
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 7: what you gave up. You're paying him nine million. You're

996
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 7: paying Kennan Murray seven and a half. Everybody else you

997
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 7: drafted right, So it's outside of Sandboord the thing.

998
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 6: The linebacker's not the issue. Are they having bad reads? Yes?

999
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 6: Why are they choosing the wrong hold?

1000
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 7: Because these guys are trying to run around the offensive

1001
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 7: linemen that are coming up to block them. They are

1002
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 7: getting consumed by offensive linemen. They can't get off the blocks.

1003
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 7: So if you're telling me that this dude can continuously

1004
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 7: shed three hundred pounds men off of them, that's what

1005
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 7: he's about to face.

1006
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 6: Two, you needed a dog in the middle, and hopefully

1007
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: they get it you need.

1008
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 7: I can't say names, but there's individuals that I have

1009
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 7: my eye on that can truly impact your d line.

1010
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 7: If you get that one person to play next to

1011
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 7: Kenny Clark, then you have three guys that have to

1012
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 7: block two guys. Now your defensive ends get one on

1013
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 7: one matchups and those guys are starting to come along you.

1014
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 6: Last time I checked.

1015
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 12: Right, and you won't need to have five down, five

1016
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 12: down linemen.

1017
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 7: So now you have four down linemen that require five

1018
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,319
Speaker 7: guys to block them, And now who's left to go

1019
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 7: block your linebackers? All your linebackers running hit there's no

1020
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 7: question about kend the linebacker's running hit. You have athletic

1021
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 7: linebackers that love to run sideline the sideline. The problem

1022
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 7: is they are not able to shed the right to

1023
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 7: shed the blocks of the offensive lineman off as a lineman.

1024
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 7: Get into the second level is your problem. Yes, get

1025
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 7: somebody in the middle, and I agree, just to clear

1026
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 7: it up enough, but one person could be to improve

1027
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 7: a lot of other people, and they may not be

1028
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 7: done yet.

1029
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 6: We'll get to that conversation here in a second person.

1030
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 6: Just to clean it up.

1031
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,799
Speaker 10: The cap hit for Logan Wilson this year is just

1032
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 10: two point eight.

1033
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 6: That's fine, that's it. That's all he's getting this year.

1034
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 5: And then there's a potential out after this season where

1035
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 5: they could have zero dead cap if they decided to

1036
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 5: cut it, so he could be a post June one cut.

1037
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 5: That would be an out and Dallas would have no

1038
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,359
Speaker 5: risk there. So there's that if they decided to keep him,

1039
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 5: it would be six point five next year, and it

1040
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 5: would be seven point two and twenty twenty seven. So

1041
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 5: it's not this is a contract that has been pushed

1042
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: forward and has already mostly been paid by Cincinnati. Because

1043
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 5: you're right, over the four years of the deal, it

1044
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 5: was thirty six million, which averages out to nine Most

1045
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 5: of Cincinnati has already paid that. So the most you

1046
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 5: would have against your cap with a Logan Wilson on

1047
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 5: your roster would be in twenty twenty seven and they

1048
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 5: would be seven point two. I think they have all

1049
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 5: of this in mind to where if he doesn't play well,

1050
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 5: if he doesn't make an impact, sure they have the out.

1051
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 5: There's no dead cap and they can kind of get

1052
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 5: rid of that contract. And then it's a rental for

1053
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 5: a player for only seven it's a rental or for

1054
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 5: a seventh round pick.

1055
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 7: To make this decision. You know, again, no disrespect to

1056
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 7: is gentleman. I don't care whoever they were going to

1057
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 7: bring in as a linebacker. You're pretty much saying we're

1058
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 7: moving on from three maybe four linebackers after this year.

1059
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe that's what there's that's what this move states.

1060
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 6: We're moving very well.

1061
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 7: Could be all right now bye bye, then that's what

1062
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 7: you're pretty much saying network all right now, bye.

1063
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 12: Bye then uninjured reserve by the way.

1064
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, uh damon, Probably all right now bye bye then?

1065
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 7: Right, So probably I get it, but I'm saying, but

1066
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 7: based upon your current roster and the roster the linebackers

1067
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 7: that you currently have on your depth chart, when you're

1068
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 7: playing two linebackers at a time, Yeah, where's everybody at?

1069
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 7: So we're just accumulating specialists. I'm dead serious. True, Marrio

1070
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 7: Overstone is coming back, right, So you're gonna have Maryus Leaf,

1071
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 7: Al Shamar James, Kenneth, Murray, Logan Wilson, Jamary who else?

1072
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:11,359
Speaker 7: I say, Mary, I can't even tell everybody. You got

1073
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 7: like five or six dudes at that one position. Two

1074
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 7: can get on the field. They don't play three linebackers.

1075
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,399
Speaker 7: They played two at most sometimes one. So with all

1076
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 7: of this being said, you know what I'm saying, like,

1077
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 7: why are we accumulating linebackers?

1078
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 5: All of this being said, I think we've all been

1079
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 5: up here. We've sat up here, We've had the debate,

1080
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 5: We've had the argument where we want edge rushers, you

1081
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:39,000
Speaker 5: guys want defensive tackles, but we all kind of agree

1082
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 5: that you need something up front. You need something on

1083
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 5: your defensive line in order to make.

1084
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 2: This all go.

1085
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 10: Do you feel like yesterday's.

1086
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 12: Was that safety? Also?

1087
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, you might need one of those two probably the

1088
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 5: pre state cover safety.

1089
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, okay, I get it. I get it you

1090
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 6: need multiple spots.

1091
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 5: But do you feel like they're done now based off

1092
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 5: of what yesterday gave you and the way that they

1093
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 5: gave you confidence from the performance against Arizona.

1094
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 12: God, I hope not.

1095
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 8: I hope there's more moves to be made. Please don't

1096
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:07,760
Speaker 8: tost those first round.

1097
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 6: Picks though, Keep the first rounder.

1098
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 12: Keep them, yeah, hold them like your children. Please.

1099
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 7: I said this yesterday last night on the postgame show.

1100
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 7: I think last night's loss has an impact on the

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Speaker 7: aggressiveness of the front office.

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Speaker 6: I think had they won, I.

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Speaker 12: Think they would have been more inclined.

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Speaker 7: I would think there would be more inclined to be

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Speaker 7: more aggressive today because they would have a greater incentive

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Speaker 7: to push towards the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. Now, I think that you're.

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Speaker 11: Like, eh, I were looking at late round pigs, possible comps,

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Speaker 11: things like that. I can agree with that.

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Speaker 5: And I thought what Jerry Jones said on one O

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Speaker 5: five three the Fan was interesting this morning. He said,

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Speaker 5: I don't have the time to have a bad time, yep.

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Speaker 6: And he said that, he said, I'm not going to

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Speaker 6: wager the future.

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Speaker 5: He did clean it up after the fact, he was like,

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Speaker 5: I don't have time to sit here because of my age.

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Speaker 5: He quoted it and allow for seasons to pass by,

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Speaker 5: and he said, I'm very aware of that. But he

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Speaker 5: also said, I have the discipline to not hamstring the organization.

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Speaker 5: This is paraphrasing, of course, tough to go into the future.

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Speaker 5: So he's in a tough spot one way or the other.

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Speaker 5: But I think you're right. I think if you win

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Speaker 5: that game and you're at five hundred and your offense

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Speaker 5: rebounds in the way that we anticipated the offense to

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Speaker 5: rebound in, then maybe you're.

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Speaker 6: Able to push the chips table.

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Speaker 5: However, your offense is they've, for lack of a better turn,

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Speaker 5: laid an egg for two straight weeks. And when we

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Speaker 5: were talking about the trades and we were talking about

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Speaker 5: this opportunity for Dallas, it was you don't want to

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Speaker 5: waste this elite level offense for a bad defense.

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Speaker 6: And now they.

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Speaker 5: Exactly now the offense doesn't look like it has over

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Speaker 5: the first couple of.

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Speaker 6: Weeks of the season. Other than Javonte.

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Speaker 11: I mean, he's he's he doesn't have time for a

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Speaker 11: bad time, but damn it, he's having a bad.

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Speaker 6: Time right now.

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Speaker 5: Twenty seven to seventeen Cowboys fall to the Cardinals each week.

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Speaker 5: We're going into the bye week everybody, which means we

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Speaker 5: only have one more show this week. It's tomorrow, and

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Speaker 5: we're gonna take your phone. Yeah, we're we're gonna take

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Speaker 5: your phone calls. We're gonna have it's today. Of course,

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Speaker 5: was supposed to be talking Tuesday, but it's after a

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Speaker 5: Monday game.

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Speaker 10: We're gonna have on the Wire Wednesday.

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Speaker 6: How about that?

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Speaker 12: Did you just come up with that?

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Speaker 5: I said it earlier, but then I kind of refined

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Speaker 5: it a little bit.

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Speaker 10: But yeah, I came up with it this morning. Nice

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Speaker 10: on the wire Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: Toilet height eight eight, five, five two two nine seven

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Speaker 5: Give us a call tomorrow. We're gonna talk to you

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Speaker 5: going into the bye week for Patrick no c Walker,

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Speaker 5: Josh Rodriguez, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam in the back.

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Speaker 10: I'm Kyle Yoman saying so long from Talking Cowboys.

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Speaker 6: We'll talk to you tomorrow.

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