Speaker 1: Check it down, man, The numbers told the story. Now
Speaker 1: he's done.
Speaker 2: It's on those idiots will believe in the analytics. This
Speaker 2: is a numbers game with Gil Alexander Gone Vison Good.
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Speaker 3: lines for week four in the National Football League, Gil Alexander,
Speaker 3: Kelly Bidlin in the Hiszzy. How's it going man?
Speaker 1: Oh rough weekend? Gil, how about you?
Speaker 3: That's a man who's no longer in Survivor. That's what
Speaker 3: I got out of that answer.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, if you're just tuning into guessing lines
Speaker 3: for the first time, it's an exercise. I don't know
Speaker 3: the lines. I guess them. We look back at yesterday.
Speaker 3: I guess the lines. Kelly tells me what they are,
Speaker 3: and hopefully within that exercise we can extract value. Usually
Speaker 3: the first reaction is really over time the best to
Speaker 3: be honest with you. Obviously, there's news that comes in
Speaker 3: during the week that could change your mind, but the
Speaker 3: first reaction is often the most interesting. Let us begin
Speaker 3: with Survivor, though if we might, yes, I'm sorry, let's
Speaker 3: do that a little eulogy for Kelly Bivlin. Dude, I
Speaker 3: might be gone tonight. I could be gone tonight. Circus
Speaker 3: Survivor is setting all kinds of new records for carnage,
Speaker 3: the bad kind of records after three weeks. No, it's
Speaker 3: not even after three weeks. There's still two more games.
Speaker 3: Let me not even say that. Yeah, still with two
Speaker 3: games left in three weeks, out of fourteen thousand, two
Speaker 3: hundred and sixty six entries, only sixteen hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: remain one six hundred and thirty. Do you know what
Speaker 3: the carnage percentages on that? Eighty eight point five seven percent,
Speaker 3: literally almost nine out of ten. Again, with two games
Speaker 3: remaining tonight. If the Bengals are to lose tonight, good God,
Speaker 3: please don't let that happen. But the Bills also not
Speaker 3: negligible amount of entries either, at seventy one. Bengals are
Speaker 3: the picked this week at ninet eighty eight, but the
Speaker 3: number two, the number three, and the number four most
Speaker 3: popular teams this year all go down. The Browns to
Speaker 3: the Giants, the Bucks go down to the Broncos, the Raiders,
Speaker 3: they go down to the Panthers. Not to mention Niners,
Speaker 3: Titan says, those kinds of things, but those are the
Speaker 3: big ones. I thought this was gonna be the week
Speaker 3: one the Jets one on Thursday. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: maybe this is the week where you know, not many
Speaker 3: people get eliminated.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Two, three weeks in a row. It was thirty nine
Speaker 3: percent of entries week one, fifty five point four to
Speaker 3: five percent of the remaining entries in week two, and
Speaker 3: so far in week three, fifty seven point nine to
Speaker 3: six percent of the remaining entries again eighty eight what
Speaker 3: is it? Eighty eight point five seven percent of total
Speaker 3: entries gone and we're not even done in week three.
Speaker 1: My god, it has been wild. It has been absolutely
Speaker 1: wild to witness some of these Some of these teams
Speaker 1: just jump out to you of like people that pick
Speaker 1: like it's not this over the weekend of like three
Speaker 1: people pick the vikings of like checked like their schedules.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I like, there will be a lot
Speaker 1: better schedule spots. That's just it. That's just a gangster
Speaker 1: pick right there. He's just like, screw it. Texans coming
Speaker 1: to town. And playing them.
Speaker 3: I just have the Bengals left at tonight.
Speaker 1: I'm not a survivor yet. I can't play that yet.
Speaker 1: No users tied into Bengals. I'll be rooting for you.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, bra I tied everything into Cleveland yesterday,
Speaker 1: all the entries and boom.
Speaker 3: A little premium, a little premature survivation right there. Sorry
Speaker 3: about that, Kelly, I'm sorry you're out. You're like Kramer,
Speaker 3: I'm out about the week three. Uh, that's right.
Speaker 1: Two years in a row, might even be three years
Speaker 1: at this point.
Speaker 3: You like have these little benchmarks, you like, can I
Speaker 3: get to Can I get to October?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I know that's where That's where I'm at in my
Speaker 1: head right now with this contest.
Speaker 2: And you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We say it every time Gil sign me up again.
Speaker 1: Next year, I can sign up right now, I would.
Speaker 3: Can I just throw up this before we get to
Speaker 3: the Thursday night game? Can we just throw up that
Speaker 3: one tweet?
Speaker 1: Do we have that?
Speaker 3: Guy's from Tony Market Tips? Tony Market Tips?
Speaker 1: Do we have that yet? Uh?
Speaker 3: He does this courtesy of Survivor Atlas. He sort of
Speaker 3: throws that up. He sort of relays to me what
Speaker 3: survivor Atlas has discovered and he has put this in
Speaker 3: a different kind of context, which is that five people
Speaker 3: lost all ten entries on Cleveland. Remember ten is the
Speaker 3: max entries. Five people lost them all on Cleveland yesterday,
Speaker 3: including the poker player Sean Perry. He's gone, sorry, Sean Perry.
Speaker 3: Two people lost all ten on the Raiders. There are
Speaker 3: only three people left with ten entries left. Only three
Speaker 3: people with ten entries left. Nobody has by the way,
Speaker 3: two of them have all ten on Cincinnati tonight. The
Speaker 3: other has five of ten on Cincinnati. Nobody has nine
Speaker 3: entries left. Two people have eight entries left. Eighteen total
Speaker 3: people have five plus entries.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: That's it again. Back to my point of redundancy comment.
Speaker 3: Forty seven people have four plus entries, one hundred people
Speaker 3: have three plus entries. Only one hundred people out of
Speaker 3: fourteen two hundred and sixty six have three plus entries left.
Speaker 1: That's wild. Yeah, it's uh. This is a week that
Speaker 1: has me questioning strategy. We'll see if Cincinnati wins. Like I,
Speaker 1: you know, should I had two? Should I have split?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I split? Like? Should I
Speaker 1: have split?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I got to cocky. I went with Cleveland. That wasn't
Speaker 1: even that.
Speaker 3: I loved the schedule situation for Cleveland as we discussed
Speaker 3: the quote unquote proper place to play them quote unquote
Speaker 3: being the key of that sentence.
Speaker 1: Where I got cocky was the opening, uh, the opening
Speaker 1: plays of that game, which we're gonna go. Oh, well,
Speaker 1: let's let's go. Let's go to the Thursday night game. Okay,
Speaker 1: we got much to get Sorry, al right, we all
Speaker 1: have to get your guessing lines firing up. Boys, Let's
Speaker 1: go Monday boarding. As we as we do, we roll
Speaker 1: through all the games for the coming week. Guess the lines.
Speaker 1: Thursday night, we will start with Cowboys and Giants.
Speaker 3: The one and two Cowboys at the one and two Giants.
Speaker 3: Oh what a ball game? This is Thursday. And by
Speaker 3: what a ball game, I mean the opposite. Dallas loses
Speaker 3: to Baltimore, though they made it interesting in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 3: If you miss this early part. Baltimore's first touch of
Speaker 3: the ball seventy one yards five plays Lamar to Charlie
Speaker 3: Colarf for thirty then Lamar in from nine seven to
Speaker 3: nothing Baltimore early first quarter. Then, by the way, this
Speaker 3: will go quietly, get washed away. In the weekend, Brandon
Speaker 3: Aubrey hits a sixty five yard field goal. Was incredible,
Speaker 3: the second longest field goal in the history of the
Speaker 3: National Ball League. And it's just a nonchalant about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sixty five, no, biggie.
Speaker 3: Although we did have a lot of misses with long
Speaker 3: field goals yesterday. That regressed a bit. Right after that, though,
Speaker 3: Baltimore did the same thing. Seven plays, seventy yards Lamar
Speaker 3: to Agualore for fifty six, setting up a Derek Henry
Speaker 3: one yard touchdown run two plays later, fourteen to three Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Then I want to ask you about this play because
Speaker 3: I don't think enough was made of this. Dallas has
Speaker 3: the ball down fourteen to three. They're deep in their
Speaker 3: own territory, they own seven. Dak looks to either be
Speaker 3: sacked in the end zone or at a minimum guilty
Speaker 3: of intentional grounding. Somehow he gets away with a garden
Speaker 3: variety incomplete pass. Then he just hurls in front of
Speaker 3: him at his offensive lineman and ends up as a
Speaker 3: three and out.
Speaker 1: What was that? I'm so glad you brought this up here.
Speaker 3: Is that not a safety?
Speaker 1: All right? How many times do we see an offensive
Speaker 1: lineman grab a ball like that, and you're like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? Guy, Like, come on, you know you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to do that. They're going to flag you
Speaker 1: for because we believe it because he did that, Gil,
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that because he caught that, they didn't call
Speaker 1: intentional grounding In one world?
Speaker 3: Is that not intentional grinding in the end, so why
Speaker 3: bring it up? Baltimore would then go eighty eight yards
Speaker 3: Lamar to Henry for twenty three. The biggest played Lamara
Speaker 3: Bateman from thirteen down. It's twenty one to three. Aubrey
Speaker 3: fifty one yard field goal before the half, twenty one six,
Speaker 3: and then Baltimore to begin the third quarter, not to begin,
Speaker 3: but in the third quarter five plays seventy yards Henry
Speaker 3: for twenty nine. On the drive Henry and the end
Speaker 3: zone from twenty six, twenty eight to six. Baltimore with
Speaker 3: eleven fifty eight left in the third quarter. That was
Speaker 3: to begin the third quarter. So it's twenty eight to
Speaker 3: six and at this point, if we were going to
Speaker 3: review the weekend, Dallas would be the worst team on
Speaker 3: the field all weekend long at this point. But then
Speaker 3: Dallas comes to life after a turnover on downs. By
Speaker 3: the way, a turnover on downs from Dallas were on
Speaker 3: fourth and fourth was intended for Cooks, and then Cooks
Speaker 3: completely takes the defensive back and like throws him to
Speaker 3: the ground. I was like, how is that not a
Speaker 3: homicide right there? So after that, Tucker justin. Tucker misses
Speaker 3: a forty six yard field goal, which needs to be mentioned.
Speaker 3: Early fourth quarter, it's still twenty eight to six. Now
Speaker 3: here's where it all changes. Dallas six play sixty four
Speaker 3: yards dack in from one. Two point try failed, twenty
Speaker 3: eight to twelve. Dave Ross noted, Dallas cowboy fan wish
Speaker 3: they hadn't gone for two there. He just wanted to
Speaker 3: play at old school style. Then Dallas says, I do declare,
Speaker 3: I want an onside kick here, and they recover it
Speaker 3: first ever recovered new under the new rules, recovered onside
Speaker 3: kick eight thirty left. Then Dallas goes seven plays fifty
Speaker 3: six yards back to Jalen Tolbert from fifteen out twenty
Speaker 3: eight to eighteen.
Speaker 1: Two point try fails.
Speaker 3: They do declare again, but the Ravens recover, this time
Speaker 3: Baltimore three and out. Dallas another drive eleven plays ninety
Speaker 3: one yards. Couple defensive penalties helped along dak to Gavante
Speaker 3: Turpin from sixty down on third and ten at the
Speaker 3: sixth he ain't touchdown. Twenty eight, twenty five, with two
Speaker 3: to fifty three left, they kick away third and six
Speaker 3: at their own twenty five for Baltimore. Dallas has one
Speaker 3: time out and two minute warning at this point, but
Speaker 3: Lamar to Zay for nine. Dallas uses their last time
Speaker 3: out the two minute warning game ice. On a second
Speaker 3: and nine from their own thirty five one, Lamar fakes
Speaker 3: the end around, pulls the ball out at the last second,
Speaker 3: ten yards up the gut ball game Baltimore twenty eight
Speaker 3: twenty five winners Prescott twenty eight to fifty one for
Speaker 3: three seventy nine. In defeat, they gave up four hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy six total yards. They were out gained two
Speaker 3: seventy four to fifty one on the ground, where the
Speaker 3: Dallas Cowboys were a sieve of a defense, no defensive
Speaker 3: tackles and if you can block Michaeh. Parsons, then you
Speaker 3: can beat this football team. Every time Giants Giants beat
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. I'm sorry, Kelly and for all Cleveland
Speaker 3: survivor players. I had one entry in Cleveland opening kickoff.
Speaker 3: You got cocky, didn't you though, Eric Gray FuMB Eric
Speaker 3: gray fumbill the Kioff return. Grant Delpit recovered first play
Speaker 3: for Scrimmage Deshaun Tamari twenty four yards seven to another
Speaker 3: Cleveland eleven seconds into the game.
Speaker 1: You're rolling. The text went out, great start, New York,
Speaker 1: great start.
Speaker 3: And then the Giants with an eighty one yard drive
Speaker 3: Singletary in seven to seven, then the Giants from their
Speaker 3: own seven later ninety three yards, Jones to Neighbors from
Speaker 3: three out, fourteen to seven. Then Cleveland late first late
Speaker 3: first half, after converting fourth and one, Deshaun first and
Speaker 3: tended his own forty sacked by Brian Burns.
Speaker 1: Fumbles.
Speaker 3: Elijah Chapman recovers at the Cleveland thirty. Several plays later,
Speaker 3: Jones and Neighbors from five out again twenty one to seven.
Speaker 1: Giants.
Speaker 3: At the half, the route was on and then Singleton,
Speaker 3: and then it was you had so many chances if
Speaker 3: you had Cleveland here right Singleton. Singletary got hit by
Speaker 3: Shelby Harris. He fumbled in the third quarter. It was
Speaker 3: recovered by Ronnie Hickman, Cleveland was set up in plus territory.
Speaker 3: Hopkins misses a fifty three yarder, then Cleveland was set
Speaker 3: up at the Giants forty nine. Later, five plays to
Speaker 3: Shawn de Muri from six out. They got the two
Speaker 3: point commersion was twenty one to fifteen eleven thirty three left,
Speaker 3: then the Giants three out. Then Cleveland took over at
Speaker 3: their own twenty with nine to fifty three left. They
Speaker 3: got it to the Giants forty four. Then DeShawn hands
Speaker 3: it off to Jerome Ford. He never secures it, just
Speaker 3: an unenforced fumble. Unforced fumble as we say in tennis.
Speaker 3: As he's Ojelari recovered at seven forty to go another punt,
Speaker 3: Cleveland gets the ball.
Speaker 1: Don't worry though.
Speaker 3: The Giants four and out, fourth and one at their
Speaker 3: own twenty nine fails. Watson sacked. Then Joseph missed a
Speaker 3: forty eight yard field goal badly, no problem. Cleveland gets
Speaker 3: it again, four and out again, Watson right into Cedric
Speaker 3: Tilman's bread basket on fourth down. He can't hang on
Speaker 3: turnover on downs anyway. Single Terarry would break a final
Speaker 3: one and then he would smartly lie down at the
Speaker 3: one yard line. For all intents purposes, that was ballgame,
Speaker 3: and the Giants, despite all the chances Cleveland has wins
Speaker 3: this ball game twenty one to fifteen. I will say,
Speaker 3: when you put all that in the wash, Dallas minus
Speaker 3: four and a half on the road, something like that ending.
Speaker 1: Daing four to five right now, basically mainly four and
Speaker 1: a half's.
Speaker 3: Out there, yeah, south right, that's exciting Thursday Night Action
Speaker 3: guessing lines, reviewing it all. And oh the coaches who
Speaker 3: got to get to that next right here on a
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Speaker 3: Back on a numbers game live from Circa Gail Alexander,
Speaker 3: Kelly Bidlin, we get tweets at beating the book. They're
Speaker 3: all about the survivor. By the way, I just want
Speaker 3: to mention one Indiana Jet. He was one of the
Speaker 3: four choppers last year. He says, well, I'm out too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: he says, I thought sleeping on a large pile of
Speaker 3: money from my winnings last year would make me feel better,
Speaker 3: but nope, it's gonna be a long day.
Speaker 1: That's all written. He said.
Speaker 3: Let's go Bengals, which I think is for me. I think,
Speaker 3: thank you if that's the case.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you got to the Promised Land last year,
Speaker 1: you can't expect to go back to back. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of friends playing in it for
Speaker 1: the first time this year who both both went out
Speaker 1: last year. It's just hilarious that every everybody has the
Speaker 1: same reality. Like I got multiple texts yesterday afternoon of like,
Speaker 1: I'm so depressed right now and I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Like it's survivor, Like it hangs over more than you
Speaker 3: would think. It's a different kind of loss.
Speaker 1: It really is. Yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3: A different kind of loss. Okay, let's go to Sunday.
Speaker 1: Hy Sunday early Window one Eastern ten Pacific Saints at Falcons.
Speaker 3: The two and one Saints now against the one in
Speaker 3: two Falcons, a little NFC South clash early season. New
Speaker 3: Orleans loses to Philly. This is gonna be more about
Speaker 3: Philly than it is New Orleans. I think let's go
Speaker 3: first place, second quarter, third and eight at the New
Speaker 3: Orleans eleven for the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Hurts picked by.
Speaker 3: Tarn Matthew the honey Badger in the end zone after
Speaker 3: New Orleans three and out, fourth and one for Philly
Speaker 3: at the New Orleans forty six, No tures Bush hurts
Speaker 3: to Goddard for six. I thought that was interesting. Two
Speaker 3: plays later, Hurts flushed out of the pocket, Carl Grandson
Speaker 3: Saxony knocks the ball out of hurts his hands. Willie
Speaker 3: Gay Junior covered it, but New Orleans has to pun again.
Speaker 3: Philly gets to fourth and one at the New Orleans fifteen.
Speaker 3: This is a zero zero ballgame, they show Turrish Bush instead,
Speaker 3: They handed off to Saquon Tackle for no. Game, by
Speaker 3: the ways, three to nothing at this point. I don't
Speaker 3: know if a three to nothing game. Late in the
Speaker 3: second quarter, fourth and one at the New Orleans fifteen,
Speaker 3: they continually are allergic to field goal. I don't it's
Speaker 3: three to nothing, kick the field goal.
Speaker 1: I didn't see this live, but oh boy, what the
Speaker 1: reaction reaction on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Oh just it's just I just don't understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, in this one, it's kind of it
Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: I listen, I love going for fourth down as much
Speaker 3: as anybody, but like, it's three to nothing. Points like
Speaker 3: matter hugely at this point of the game. They decide
Speaker 3: to show it again. All right, so tap time it's
Speaker 3: three to nothing New Orleans. Let's see, we're gonna pay fourth.
Speaker 1: And the biggest problem with that, yo, I mean it
Speaker 1: was what was there like twelve seconds left on the
Speaker 1: clock or something, right, So even if you got it, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like, what were you gonna do? You're
Speaker 1: gonna have one one play Maine. Maybe they just kicked
Speaker 1: a field goal? Was it? This?
Speaker 3: We go to third quarter, fourth and three for Philly
Speaker 3: from the new at the New Orleans thirty four. They
Speaker 3: go for it again, three to nothing, game, Hurts sacked
Speaker 3: by Brian Breese. Then uh New Orleans punt and Philadelphi punt.
Speaker 3: They got it blocked. But now New Orleans return the favor.
Speaker 3: And this is the one that seemed to matter the most.
Speaker 3: It was as long as Philly kept doing it in failing,
Speaker 3: New Orleans couldn't capitalize. But the one time New Orleans
Speaker 3: did it, fourth and one at the Philly eighteen to
Speaker 3: start the fourth quarter, Camara was ruled short. Philly took
Speaker 3: advantage four plays in saquon from sixty five out touchdown
Speaker 3: early fourth quarter. On the previous play, Davante got hurt.
Speaker 3: Kelly texted me, I think Davante's dead. Then New Orleans
Speaker 3: gets it to fourth and six of the Philly twenty
Speaker 3: group A. This time they kick a field goal seven
Speaker 3: to six. They cut the lead of seven to six
Speaker 3: ninety nine fourth quarter, and then Philly does the opposite thing.
Speaker 3: They decide to roll Jake Elliott out there for a
Speaker 3: sixty yard field goal trying up a point, and he
Speaker 3: misses that. New Orleans takes over at midfield nine plays
Speaker 3: Cardo a lobby from twelve out touchdown two point fails
Speaker 3: twelve to seven New Orleans with two three to two
Speaker 3: oh three to go, and then a clever mortar kick
Speaker 3: by New Orleans to force a return and get it
Speaker 3: below the two minute warning. Nice job, good nuanced by
Speaker 3: New Orleans, even though it didn't matter in the end.
Speaker 3: Philadelphia now with no aj Brown, no DeVante, third and
Speaker 3: sixteen at their own thirty five, they're dead right Nope,
Speaker 3: one sixteen to go.
Speaker 1: Hurts to Goddard for sixty one.
Speaker 3: Blown coverage to the New Orleans four with one oh
Speaker 3: five left, Saquon In for four touchdown, Saquon In for two.
Speaker 3: Fifteen to twelve. Philadelphia. New Orleans has one time out
Speaker 3: with one on one to go. Second place second and
Speaker 3: fourth their own thirty six car ill advised pass. There's
Speaker 3: Derek Carr. How many people in the country went there?
Speaker 2: He is?
Speaker 1: There's Derek Carr.
Speaker 3: Picked by Red blanket ship ballgame Philadelphia fifteen twelve New
Speaker 3: Orleans not the not the same look as they were
Speaker 3: the first two weeks where they scored ninety one points.
Speaker 3: Couldn't do anything in this game, and Philly gave them
Speaker 3: all kinds of reprieves. Philly could have won this game big. Instead,
Speaker 3: they need a sort of miracle sixty one yard played
Speaker 3: to Goddard to pull it out. Philly fifteen, New Orleans twelve.
Speaker 3: Philly for all of their warts and all of the
Speaker 3: Sirianni gaffs here the last two weeks. Obviously the Atlanta
Speaker 3: game last week the biggest thing with Philly. We'll get
Speaker 3: to Philly later. They're still probably one of the ten
Speaker 3: best teams in the NFL conservatively. I don't know about
Speaker 3: New Orleans. Now they're at Atlanta.
Speaker 1: You said at Atlanta. Yeah, I just real quick too
Speaker 1: on that. I thought schematically, I thought Big Fangio was awesome.
Speaker 1: Yesterday I didn't couldn't really pick up on exactly what
Speaker 1: was going on Ifout. Adam Turnoff laid it out perfectly
Speaker 1: this morning on his podcast and Simple Handicap. They were
Speaker 1: really throwing five guys up in the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: Philadelphia on the defensive side so often, and it was
Speaker 1: just so much pressure on that running game, and once
Speaker 1: they kind of stuffed that running game, it made Derek
Speaker 1: Carr pass. I just don't think that's ever the situation
Speaker 1: you're gonna ideally want to be in New Orleans. So
Speaker 1: kind of interesting scenarios. Maybe is that a way we
Speaker 1: see the Saints get played a lot going forward.
Speaker 3: Carr was fourteen of twenty five for one two. Camara
Speaker 3: was twenty six of eighty seven three catches for forty,
Speaker 3: which is kind of cantaining him. They were out gained
Speaker 3: by Philly four sixty to two nineteen. Yeah, that's impressed.
Speaker 3: That's sixty to two nineteen. The Eagles out game Atlanta
Speaker 3: Kansas City last night. In case you missed this game,
Speaker 3: Atlanta went up seven to nothing. The Chiefs tied him
Speaker 3: at seven apiece. Let's see, I'm trying to edit this
Speaker 3: one on the flight because I didn't they edit this
Speaker 3: one last night. But let's let's go to the late
Speaker 3: second late first half when Kansas City has an opportunity
Speaker 3: for a double dip. Atlanta actually got the ball back
Speaker 3: with fifty nine seconds left, and then Kirk Cousins did
Speaker 3: a Kirk Cousins kind of thing. He was picked by
Speaker 3: Jamari Connor that set up a Butcker forty four yard
Speaker 3: field goal. So it was fourteen to thirteen Atlanta at
Speaker 3: the half, but the double dip was in effect. Butker
Speaker 3: got a twenty one yard field goal on the first
Speaker 3: drive of the third quarter to put Kansas City up
Speaker 3: for the first time in this game, sixteen to fourteen,
Speaker 3: and then Mahomes to Juju from thirteen out where Butcker
Speaker 3: missed the extra point late third quarter to make it
Speaker 3: twenty two to fourteen. A young Heyku fifty four yarder
Speaker 3: would cut it to twenty two to seventeen, and then
Speaker 3: last part last portion of this game, twelve fifty two
Speaker 3: to go twenty two to seventeen. Kansas City with a
Speaker 3: three and out, Matta Riza fields a high snap, Atlanta
Speaker 3: ends up and he's able to get it away. Atlanta
Speaker 3: ends up with a fourth and five at the Kansas
Speaker 3: City six down five last sequence of this game, down
Speaker 3: down five points, fourth and five at the Kansas City
Speaker 3: six with four to oh eight to go, and Raheem
Speaker 3: Morris decides to go for it incomplete intended for Drake London,
Speaker 3: PI not called. Were you okay with the non call?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those. It's one of those, Gil, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not okay with it. I think it should have
Speaker 1: been called. I think that in the regular The problem
Speaker 1: is with the spotlight on it.
Speaker 3: It makes it, it makes it look more obvious. Well,
Speaker 3: it also brings out the chiefs conspiracy theorist, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I would be lying to you if I didn't
Speaker 3: have the thought in my head.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if that's.
Speaker 3: The Washington Redskins, there's no question that's a PI.
Speaker 1: Okay, right, So that like if it's if it's second quarter,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, man. It just felt it
Speaker 1: felt like a very high leverage moment, and a decision
Speaker 1: was made.
Speaker 3: A decision was made, all right, Kansas City three and out,
Speaker 3: though Atlanta takes over again at their own thirty five.
Speaker 3: Remember they're down five after a penalty on Kansas City
Speaker 3: on the punt with two twenty one left, then three
Speaker 3: more defensive penalties on this drive. These were like all
Speaker 3: felt not all of them, but at least one of
Speaker 3: them felt makeupy from that non p I call in
Speaker 3: the end zone, and that helped Atlanta downfield. One of
Speaker 3: which felt makeup is I said, get They got it
Speaker 3: to third and one at the Kansas City thirteen with
Speaker 3: one to oh three left, remember, still down five touchdown
Speaker 3: to win it. Then Raheem Morris, please explain this to
Speaker 3: me as ridiculous as what Sirianni was doing in the
Speaker 3: In the Eagles Saints game, Raheem Morris peculiarly calls Atlanta's
Speaker 3: first time out, bleed it a little?
Speaker 1: What do you do? Yeah? I didn't get that one.
Speaker 1: What are you doing call time out? I didn't get that.
Speaker 3: Then, when al Jier doesn't get to this sticks on
Speaker 3: third down, Morris tries calling another one with fifty six
Speaker 3: seconds left, Bro, you can like get thirty more seconds off.
Speaker 1: Like you know who's on the other sideline right.
Speaker 3: But Andy Reid beats him to it and he reads
Speaker 3: like you saw her.
Speaker 1: I was like, what's happening?
Speaker 3: So it's fourth and inches at the Kansas City thirteen. Cousins,
Speaker 3: as we remember, is not a guy who sneaks, never
Speaker 3: has been really they hand off to Beijon but East West, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Drop for a three yard lost
Speaker 3: ball game? Because Morris used to time out so the
Speaker 3: math didn't work out for him at that point.
Speaker 1: I mean, like these quarterbacks that can't sneak, like you're
Speaker 1: so limited with your play calling in that situation.
Speaker 3: He wasn't the completely career long non sneaker that's say
Speaker 3: Philip Rivers was. But you knew the sneak was not
Speaker 3: a possibility. We knew that was coming right there. That
Speaker 3: play was out of the equation and they decided to
Speaker 3: try a little uh non forward run there and that
Speaker 3: was the end of that. Cousins twenty of twenty nine
Speaker 3: for two thirty one touchdown, one pick. He was sacked twice.
Speaker 3: I don't know what that play call was, but Rahee
Speaker 3: Morris made no sense. New Orleans and Atlanta. I split
Speaker 3: the difference between the zero and the three. I said,
Speaker 3: Atlanta minus one and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right now it is Atlanta one and a half.
Speaker 3: Yes, these are these are not the most difficult to
Speaker 3: imagine here Falcons minus one and a half.
Speaker 1: That sounds about right. It's trying to see if there's
Speaker 1: any movement this morning. No, we are one and a
Speaker 1: half across the border right now.
Speaker 3: Do you feel any differently about New Orleans or Atlanta
Speaker 3: after yesterday's games?
Speaker 1: A little bit. I think not not shocking to see
Speaker 1: New Orleans come back down to earth a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think they're both good teams that have an a
Speaker 3: game in them. You just can't expect it to come out.
Speaker 1: We guess it's perfectly said.
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Speaker 1: We had tweets that beating the book.
Speaker 3: Always appreciate the feedback. This is from rb tref just
Speaker 3: to follow Vison. I'm not much for trigger warnings, but
Speaker 3: can you let me know when you're going through that
Speaker 3: Browns quote unquote performance from yesterday? I had three entries
Speaker 3: to a one million dollar Survivor and now just one
Speaker 3: pending Cincinnati tonight. Eighty seven point five percent of entries gone.
Speaker 3: Maybe too high of expectations for Ohio. That's right around
Speaker 3: the percentage of the Circus Survivor carnage as well. It's
Speaker 3: just incredible that almost nine of ten entries and we're
Speaker 3: still not done with week three are out. Joe Abraham
Speaker 3: ten ten, I have a Tennessee ticket on last win list,
Speaker 3: but Jacksonville at plus two hundred seems like a good
Speaker 3: play now, Tennessee playing Miami this week, in Jacksonville at
Speaker 3: Buffalo tonight, and at Houston next week. It seems Tennessee
Speaker 3: should be the one in plus money. Well, Tennessee should
Speaker 3: be the one in plus money because there's a Tennessee
Speaker 3: should be the short shot at this point because they
Speaker 3: could win tonight.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, they can win this market tonight, so
Speaker 1: they have the.
Speaker 3: They're in the driver's seat just by virtue of that
Speaker 3: right that we could. I don't know if it's likely,
Speaker 3: but if Cincinnati were to win tonight and Jacksonville were
Speaker 3: to win tonight, Cincinnati is likely. But if Jacksonville were
Speaker 3: also win it. By the way I am on Jacksonville
Speaker 3: plus the points tonight, that market is over. Tennessee is
Speaker 3: your winner.
Speaker 1: I had to look. I had there were three weeks
Speaker 1: I had to look, because we talked about this on
Speaker 1: Wednesday last week. I think it was we had that discussion.
Speaker 1: Titans plus seven to fifty, Jags fourteen to one, Bengals thirty.
Speaker 3: To one to be last winless. Yeah, I can't beat
Speaker 3: myself up about it. I never really considered Tennessee ever.
Speaker 1: I'll be either not at all and certainly not jackson Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Also, Andy Nelson says that play in the end zone
Speaker 3: with no PI is the exact amount of contact that
Speaker 3: the Bengals defender had on the Chiefs receiver last weekend.
Speaker 1: Very true. I'm gonna say a little less after just
Speaker 1: rewatching him during the break. But okay, I mean Chiefs both,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yet the point trip tepper always in favor of
Speaker 3: being aggressive butt when scoring is very limited like the
Speaker 3: Eagles Saints game, three points is extremely valuable. Sirianni's main
Speaker 3: job is understanding game flow and scoring pace, which he
Speaker 3: failed to notice or just ignored. Amen, brother, exactly what
Speaker 3: I'm getting at. Michael Burns letting me know that BYU
Speaker 3: having a Jewish quarterback is truly one of the great
Speaker 3: stories in college sports. They had him last year too,
Speaker 3: Jake Rhetz left. It is a great story. It's also
Speaker 3: a great story. Oh yeah, no, it's one of the
Speaker 3: most remarkable stories in sports. It's also a great story.
Speaker 3: That kid from pittmake be two. Do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: That score line on Saturday Jason H eleven. Was Jason
Speaker 3: Kelsey so good at pushing the Tillists that they can't
Speaker 3: do it? Since his retirement, they seem to like not
Speaker 3: want to do it as much. And then Chris Lee Miller,
Speaker 3: I love this one, and we'll read more after this,
Speaker 3: but he says, I think the difficulty level of this
Speaker 3: is going to become obvious to smart players talking about Survivor,
Speaker 3: and they're going to dial it back on entries. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, I'll be back with my same
Speaker 3: amount of entries.
Speaker 1: I love that you brought that up multiple times during
Speaker 1: the end of what end of last season, during the
Speaker 1: off season, about like what you thought the optimal amount
Speaker 1: of entries was.
Speaker 3: I have used the phrase Joe Pete and I talk
Speaker 3: about this all the time. It's I believe there's a
Speaker 3: point of redundancy point. I believe there's a point of
Speaker 3: redundancy with entries, meaning that whether you have twenty ten,
Speaker 3: you know, let's say in a big world you had
Speaker 3: one hundred ten or five or whatever it is, you
Speaker 3: end up playing them percentage wise. And so yes, obviously
Speaker 3: at the end there are going to be three people,
Speaker 3: right that end up with two and are going to
Speaker 3: have some advantage at Thanksgiving over the others. That doesn't
Speaker 3: prove the opposite, right, It doesn't prove. Oh you see,
Speaker 3: those people started with more, so therefore that you should
Speaker 3: start with more. I don't think. I think for ninety
Speaker 3: nine percent of the folks, it does not matter, right
Speaker 3: Like I think if you start with five or ten,
Speaker 3: the difference is negligible, a slight difference, but not nearly
Speaker 3: the difference that the increase in entries reflects. So it's
Speaker 3: not a you're not one hundred percent better off. In
Speaker 3: other words, you're a fraction of that better off, in
Speaker 3: my opinion, And I think that gets you're like this,
Speaker 3: it gets proven. Yeah, especially the carnage we were just
Speaker 3: talking about. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: What do you got? All right? Sunday early windows still
Speaker 1: Rams at Bears Rams, the one in two rams at
Speaker 1: the one and two Bears.
Speaker 3: The Rams lose to the Niners. In the Juwan Jenning game,
Speaker 3: Juwan Jennings game, so, and I thought.
Speaker 1: Rock Party was brilliant. By the way, he is awesome.
Speaker 3: They didn't have Kittle, they didn't have Debo, they of
Speaker 3: course didn't have Christian McCaffrey. So Juwan Jennings has the
Speaker 3: game of his life.
Speaker 1: I think that was my favorite Rock Party game. Every Yes,
Speaker 1: I think so too. It's so funny, you say, No,
Speaker 1: nobody ever called this dude a system quarterback ever again.
Speaker 3: He is a.
Speaker 1: Gunslinger that just plays for a good coach and it
Speaker 1: was so fun watching him. Kind of couldn't agree. Get
Speaker 1: creative with stuff yesterday and slinging it all over.
Speaker 3: Jennings scored all three Niners touchdowns against the Rams. Niners
Speaker 3: went up fourteen nothing, then the Rams came back with
Speaker 3: a Stafford to Kyron Williams fifteen yard touchdown pass where
Speaker 3: Kyron flipped into the end zone fourteen to seven, and
Speaker 3: that would be the score at the half. Then in
Speaker 3: the second half, the third party to Jennings touchdown from
Speaker 3: thirty one twenty one to seven. Kyron and the Rams
Speaker 3: would come back with a six place seventy yard drive,
Speaker 3: forty eight of that on a pi Kyron in from
Speaker 3: three twenty one to fourteen late third quarter. Then amazing
Speaker 3: thirty two yard catch by Jennings to start a drive
Speaker 3: would end up with a Moody twenty six yard field
Speaker 3: goal was twenty four to fourteen. Niners up ten with
Speaker 3: eleven fifty seven a go, the Rams will get it
Speaker 3: to first goal at the eight, but settle for a
Speaker 3: Joshua cardy thirty three yard field goal, and you figured
Speaker 3: if you were a ramsbacker at that point, you're like, ah, well,
Speaker 3: that was their chance. Twenty four to seventeen Niners, was
Speaker 3: six to fifteen left in the fourth quarter. And then
Speaker 3: I wrote in my notes, pretty sort of brilliant, but
Speaker 3: Moody misses fifty five yard field goal try. So the
Speaker 3: Niners trying to put it up two scores. Moody missed
Speaker 3: the fifty five yard there was there was our fair
Speaker 3: share of missed fifty pluses yesterday. Takers all of a
Speaker 3: sudden looked sort of human again for distance gilt, little
Speaker 3: regression to the mean. And then the Rams got the
Speaker 3: ball back down seven with two forty three left. First
Speaker 3: play stafford to two to two for fifty to the
Speaker 3: San Francisco five to two minute warning. Two plays later,
Speaker 3: kyron in from four, So Juan Jennings scored three for
Speaker 3: the uh three for the Niners, and did Kiren score
Speaker 3: all three for the for the Rams? Just two, yeah,
Speaker 3: all three, UH one fifty one to go twenty four
Speaker 3: to twenty four. All right, but the Niners still have
Speaker 3: the ball in their racket. Second and ten at their
Speaker 3: own forty three party to Ronnie Bell downfield, straight drops it.
Speaker 3: That was the second drop of the game.
Speaker 1: So bad cut that, dude.
Speaker 3: Oh that was bad and they had yesterday. And the
Speaker 3: Rams get it back. Xavier Smith returns the Wishnowski punt
Speaker 3: thirty seven yards to midfield with forty two seconds to go.
Speaker 3: They're in business. First play three defensive penalties.
Speaker 1: By the way, on defense, they'll take the pi of
Speaker 1: the choice of the three down to the San Francisco
Speaker 1: twenty five Kyron for six sets up a CARDI thirty
Speaker 1: seven yard field be for the win. Good by the way.
Speaker 3: A pretty robust attempt at a pitchy pitchy woo woo
Speaker 3: with two seconds left, but the Rams hold on and
Speaker 3: win it twenty seven to twenty four, coming back from
Speaker 3: ten in the fourth quarter. Wow. Stafford sixteen of twenty
Speaker 3: five for two twenty one Kyron twenty four twenty four
Speaker 3: for eighty nine on the ground two touchdowns, two catches
Speaker 3: for twenty seven in a touch so Jewon Jennings three touchdowns,
Speaker 3: Kyra and Williams three touchdowns of the game. The Rams
Speaker 3: were out gained four twenty five to two ninety six.
Speaker 3: You see a lot of that this week.
Speaker 1: In the NFL.
Speaker 3: They're playing Chicago. You said, Chicago, listen. I don't know
Speaker 3: how much we need to go through this game. Other
Speaker 3: than such a terrible game.
Speaker 1: Chicago and Indianapolis played a disgusting football game in which
Speaker 1: it was sort of like a hey, each quarterback did
Speaker 1: their best job to try to lose the game points.
Speaker 3: Every day was like, hey, Anthony Richardson picked in the
Speaker 3: enzon by Tremaine Edward by Tremaine Edmonds. Caleb quickly returns
Speaker 3: favor four plays in, and so this game was just
Speaker 3: sort of Indianapolis led it seven to nothing and then
Speaker 3: Chicago would come right back like anything you did, they
Speaker 3: would they would do. But Chicago got it to fourth
Speaker 3: and gold the one, they pitched it to DeAndre Swift
Speaker 3: who lost twelve yards. So there was all kinds of
Speaker 3: moments like that. By the way, there was a hail
Speaker 3: Mary at the end of the first half which went
Speaker 3: into the end zone for the Bears and it got
Speaker 3: tipped back out to the one yard line, so they
Speaker 3: just blew the hail Marriage and it was seven to enough.
Speaker 3: DJ Moore caught it at the one and was tackled
Speaker 3: seven to nothing Indianapolis at the half, and then you know,
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson airmailed to crossfield pass early in the third
Speaker 3: quarter that led to a Santo's field goal cut it
Speaker 3: to seven to three. Chicago had so many chances. Caleb
Speaker 3: threw it into coverage a little later, picked off a
Speaker 3: deflection by Jalen Jones, his second pick of the day
Speaker 3: off Caleb. This was just an ugly football game that
Speaker 3: came down to, you know, at the end it was
Speaker 3: fourteen to nine. And then Caleb first played from his
Speaker 3: own eighteen Now in the fourth quarter, he was sacked
Speaker 3: by Laiitu Latte Latu fumbles were covered by Grover Stewart
Speaker 3: at the Bear sixteen. Four plays later, Taylor in from
Speaker 3: one twenty one to nine. Bears would go seventy yards
Speaker 3: to Caleb to comet fourth and one at the Indianapolis
Speaker 3: six with two to one left to cut of twenty
Speaker 3: one sixteen. And it was with two oh one left.
Speaker 3: So again these these two minute warning nuances Indianapolis, so
Speaker 3: they declare the onside kick, so they get it north
Speaker 3: of the two minute warning. They declare the onside kick
Speaker 3: with one time out left in two minute warning, and
Speaker 3: they go ahead and kick a touch back anyway, Indianapolis
Speaker 3: should have tried to return it to take away a
Speaker 3: stoppage from the Bears. So instead there was two h
Speaker 3: one when Indianapolis got the ball back again. It's a
Speaker 3: nuance that didn't end up mattering. But again, these are
Speaker 3: things that the coaches are missing moot. Because JT went
Speaker 3: for thirteen on second and six ball game twenty one
Speaker 3: to sixteen, the Colts end up winning it.
Speaker 1: I will say the Rams by three at Chicago open
Speaker 1: Chicago one and a half out to Chicago two and
Speaker 1: a half. Now, oh my, all right, I think I
Speaker 1: like the Rams banged up as they are. I don't
Speaker 1: the Bear should not be three boy favorites of this game.
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Speaker 1: do you do that? You know? You know it's October four?
Speaker 1: He always likes to do the I believe and kind
Speaker 1: of like it's like the Kelly double check and it's
Speaker 1: always right.
Speaker 3: No, because I'm like a ninety eight percent sure, So
Speaker 3: I'm like, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Devils and Sabers Friday Nights, October fourth, we had tweets
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Speaker 1: sixty two.
Speaker 3: I hate to be the old NFL conservative guy that
Speaker 3: you guys hate. With four minutes left in all your timeouts,
Speaker 3: Atlanta could kick a field goal. I hate to tell you, Well,
Speaker 3: I don't know if you're hating to tell me, because
Speaker 3: that's what I was saying when I went over the game.
Speaker 3: I agree they decided to go for it. I'm not
Speaker 3: really sure why. Super Jerk also says, and I'm not sure,
Speaker 3: maybe prisoner of the moment. As you say, Nick Sirianni
Speaker 3: might be the worst game manager I've ever seen in
Speaker 3: my life as ad coach. What he did yesterday right
Speaker 3: before the half is another reason he should be fired.
Speaker 3: Today's talking about is chewing the field goal to tie
Speaker 3: it up at three apiece instead ran Saquon again East West,
Speaker 3: like the Falcons did with Bejean last night. Jay Welch
Speaker 3: thirty one, thirty one, Jesse Welch, anybody else. Having an
Speaker 3: incredible live betting season thus far, this three week stretch
Speaker 3: has probably been my best NFL stretch ever, and it's
Speaker 3: been ninety percent in game. I have you know again,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think like my my preflop just to
Speaker 3: give you know, three and two the first week in
Speaker 3: circa and I'm betting these right one in.
Speaker 1: Four last year.
Speaker 3: If Jacksonville covers, I'm three and two this week. So
Speaker 3: nothing special at all, but like Kansas City as part
Speaker 3: of the double dip last night, and there were other
Speaker 3: moments to play them in game when they were down,
Speaker 3: there are moments of in game I totally get what
Speaker 3: you're talking about and I bet that and it worked
Speaker 3: out very well. So yes, there are in game moments
Speaker 3: that will always beat pre flop bets.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I only kind of chuckle because, yes, Jesse in
Speaker 1: game has been better for me the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: But that is not saying much because pre game play
Speaker 1: I have been straight garbage. I have one Circumillion's entry
Speaker 1: that was four and one week one, and then I've
Speaker 1: gone one in four and I'm one and three with
Speaker 1: one pending tonight.
Speaker 2: On that.
Speaker 1: Oh man, let's see.
Speaker 3: Jack Larkin from Sports Trades as apologies of the confusion.
Speaker 3: Sports Trade not officially live in Arizona, but should be
Speaker 3: live this week. Okay, let's say Michael Burns, if Holstein
Speaker 3: makes it to New York, I'll look for you in
Speaker 3: the audience, talk about Eli Holstein and Pitt who I
Speaker 3: have one thousand to one to win the Heisman. They
Speaker 3: were playing Youngstown State and they know it's an interesting
Speaker 3: so I don't know what he did.
Speaker 1: I just saw what they had, like sixty points or so. Oh.
Speaker 3: I mean, they're playing Youngstown State, so he was supposed
Speaker 3: to have a good game. But they have a bye.
Speaker 3: Pit does then they play two weeks of football, and
Speaker 3: then they have their second by so like and they're
Speaker 3: four and oh, so you can if you're the coach,
Speaker 3: you you sort of should compartmentalize it. Okay, guys, we
Speaker 3: have a two week schedule now that we play football
Speaker 3: at Let's just let's try to, I mean minimum, split
Speaker 3: these games and then you use the second half of
Speaker 3: season as his own season. It's it's an interesting buy schedule.
Speaker 1: They have.
Speaker 3: Jason McKinney. Funny you bring up field goals field goals
Speaker 3: made in a game three and a half plus where
Speaker 3: twenty seven and five hitting into week three. As Adam
Speaker 3: Chernoff said on the Beating the Book, Megabody said, I
Speaker 3: made multiple multiple plays on this Sunday calling Vegas I
Speaker 3: am the cooler. That's very true. Let's see Brad billups
Speaker 3: based on the last two weeks. Is Shanahan overrated and
Speaker 3: pretty underrated? Well, perty is definitely underrated. Let's put it
Speaker 3: that way. And then uh, let's see doo. I just
Speaker 3: want to say this one. Oh no, we got to
Speaker 3: all them. Okay, let's continue. What do you got on Sunday?
Speaker 1: My early windows still vikings?
Speaker 3: If you did have the one, this is what I
Speaker 3: was looking for I was too late on ice cold Gamblers.
Speaker 3: She said, save your breath, you don't need to go
Speaker 3: over the Bears and calls to us all.
Speaker 1: Bad.
Speaker 3: I tried to confine it.
Speaker 1: To a minute. All right, Vikings and Packers, Oh.
Speaker 3: Big NFC North battle. How about the NFC North with
Speaker 3: the Lions, the Packers and the Vikings.
Speaker 1: Who's the best? Uh? The Lions? I think the Packers
Speaker 1: have maybe been Okay, the Packers and the Vikings maybe
Speaker 1: the two most impressive teams in football. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Packers have made me pay for it,
Speaker 1: but what they did last week maybe that was a
Speaker 1: one off. Gill then backing up with it yesterday, I'm
Speaker 1: very impressed.
Speaker 3: Nice little wizard of Oz thing you threw in there. Well,
Speaker 3: Vikings absolutely crushed the Texans, your de facto best team
Speaker 3: in the league. Vikings first and twenty from their own
Speaker 3: twenty for Houston. Actually after a holding penalty to start,
Speaker 3: Stroud picked by Kamu grewsier Hill on a tip up
Speaker 3: with the Houston twenty one Darnal to Jefferson from six
Speaker 3: out A little later seven and nothing. Vikings were less
Speaker 3: than three minutes into the game. Fairbear and missed a
Speaker 3: fifty four yard try out of fifty four yard misses
Speaker 3: yesterday or fifty plus anyway, Minnesota sixth plays fifty six yards,
Speaker 3: darnalds to Jones, Donald to Jones, fourteen to nothing. Late
Speaker 3: first quarter, Houston gets to a third and fourth of
Speaker 3: Minnesota twenty five. They false start, false start, false start.
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen that before. Three straight
Speaker 3: ball starts. Then, by the way, another penalty that was declined,
Speaker 3: they have to punt. That was kind of the story
Speaker 3: of the game. It was so it was again it
Speaker 3: was fourteen to nothing at the half, and then in
Speaker 3: the third quarter, then it was a there was like
Speaker 3: a Donald backwards pass where he got Hitney. He was
Speaker 3: ruled as a fumble even Minnesota. Minnesota even managed to
Speaker 3: get seven yards out of that play Brandon Powell, and
Speaker 3: then two plays later, Pi set up Minnesota first and
Speaker 3: goal with the one Darnald to Jake Naylor twenty one
Speaker 3: to nothing, and that would basically be the story of
Speaker 3: the game. The competitive portion of the ballgame was kind
Speaker 3: of over it that point. They got it to thirty
Speaker 3: one to seven. Later in the game, will final score
Speaker 3: will be thirty four to seven. The main stat you
Speaker 3: need to know about this game. The Houston Texans had
Speaker 3: ten different third downs of ten plus yards or more.
Speaker 3: They were beat. They were just in jail the entire game.
Speaker 3: Minnesota destroys him thirty four to seven. Darnald seventeen of
Speaker 3: twenty eight for one eighty one, four touchdowns, no picks,
Speaker 3: Jones nineteen for one oh two. That's Aaron Jones on
Speaker 3: the ground five catches for forty six in a touchdown.
Speaker 1: So good. He's so good. He's like these running backs
Speaker 1: that just get cast away, like it amazes me with it.
Speaker 1: Someone like him, We knew he was gonna be good
Speaker 1: for this.
Speaker 3: Well, someone someone go to the Giants owner, like, if
Speaker 3: you watch the Giants hard knocks, He was like, if
Speaker 3: Saquon ends up on the Eagles, I'm just gonna be like,
Speaker 3: you just.
Speaker 1: Want to give him a hug. Well, I guess for
Speaker 1: Saquad ended up because of your ridiculous general manager.
Speaker 3: And then then there's Green Bay. Can we just shout
Speaker 3: out Malik Willis?
Speaker 1: Yeah, real quick, stroud a worst game I've seen him
Speaker 1: play like a year.
Speaker 3: Probably, But if you're third and ten ten different times
Speaker 3: like not hear?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I hear you, but this was Flores. Was all
Speaker 1: all in the minds of the Texans coaches and.
Speaker 3: Strout absolutely, and then Tank Dell got banged up. Late
Speaker 3: in this game, they had I don't know why they
Speaker 3: had Niga. They took Stroud out for Davis Mills. Later
Speaker 3: they just capitulated, but they had Nico Collins playing late.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why green Bay.
Speaker 1: Lake Willis something about that. Should I just give more
Speaker 1: money out? Just keep giving Malik Willis money. Malik Willis
Speaker 1: six place seventy yards opening drive. Willis to Jayden Reid
Speaker 1: from thirty on the first play, three plays later to
Speaker 1: Christiana Watson for thirty two plays later malik in from
Speaker 1: five to seven to nothing. Green Bay just over three
Speaker 1: minutes into the game. Tennessee would come back with a
Speaker 1: ten play seventy yard drive Levis to Nick Vinette from
Speaker 1: one out, seven to seven, and then after a Braden
Speaker 1: norvis in twenty one yard field goal to make it
Speaker 1: ten to seven green By ill advised Billy Levi shows
Speaker 1: up first and ten at their own thirty one Jaiyr
Speaker 1: Alexander just sitting on the route.
Speaker 3: Levis doesn't see him. Pick six seventeen to green Bay.
Speaker 3: It would be twenty to seven at the half. Then
Speaker 3: in the second half, Tennessee fourth and two at their
Speaker 3: own thirty seven, Levis sacked by kway Walker. That would
Speaker 3: lead to Norvis and miss of a forty eight or
Speaker 3: a try and fourth and four, but defensive holding on
Speaker 3: Tennessee that would give the Packers new life. That led
Speaker 3: to a Malik to Emmanuel Wilson dump off that went
Speaker 3: thirty to the house twenty seven to seven. Tennessee would
Speaker 3: cut it to twenty seven to fourteen, but later in
Speaker 3: the game, second and ten at the green Bay thirty one,
Speaker 3: Levis was sacked by Kingsley and bare he fumbled recovered
Speaker 3: by Lucas van Ness. That was at thirty to fourteen.
Speaker 3: Green Bay ends up winning it. And I don't know,
Speaker 3: like Malik Willis has been so impressive. I don't know
Speaker 3: if you saw the postgame presser with Matt Lafleur, who
Speaker 3: he was basically one of these coach press conferences where
Speaker 3: he set out loud to the press what he probably
Speaker 3: says behind closed doors.
Speaker 1: He just goes, you.
Speaker 3: Think you understand, you don't understand, Like anybody was talking
Speaker 3: to me. He was talking to Talkie Kelly Findley, he
Speaker 3: was all all the reporters about leak. Willis like, you
Speaker 3: think it's impressive, but you don't get how impressive it is. Okay,
Speaker 3: mister football, we get it.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know how the guy was to
Speaker 1: get it was even in the league anymore. I thought
Speaker 1: he was that bad with Tennessee. I it is, it's
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's been really impressed. There was some
Speaker 1: speculation that Jordan Love would play in this game. We
Speaker 1: thought that he would not. Yeah, Jordan Love probably going
Speaker 1: to play in this game. I said, green Bay minus three,
Speaker 1: and that's assuming Jordan Love plays. Yeah, and that's where
Speaker 1: we are. You know, what's come down a little bit open,
Speaker 1: mainly three threes. We are down to two and a half.
Speaker 1: So Vikings have taken money. I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: surprise there. Again, two of the most impressive teams to
Speaker 1: start the season to me so far, and this is yea,
Speaker 1: mainly two and a half. There are a couple threes
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 3: How about the we talked about last winless, how about
Speaker 3: last undefeated. You have the Chiefs, you have the Vikings,
Speaker 3: you have the Steelers.
Speaker 1: That gets you still have.
Speaker 3: The Bills as well. Steelers, Man, Vikings, Steelers, and Seahawks.
Speaker 3: What's the most sustainable of that group of three?
Speaker 1: Uh, Seahawks. I would agree the fact that the Vikings
Speaker 1: and the Steelers are in this Vikings look great.
Speaker 3: Give him a shout because he was the first guy
Speaker 3: who's like, I think the Vikings are good. He's right,
Speaker 3: they're legit. They're not like the Pittsburgh Legitimately, I still
Speaker 3: feel like they might not get to their win total.
Speaker 1: Minnesota is a good football I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: tough for me to keep the Vikings out of my
Speaker 1: top ten tomorrow. Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: By the way, the last half of our top ten
Speaker 3: are for KOFTA. They really are.
Speaker 1: I mean the fact that Cowboys are still lingering in
Speaker 1: mind stop it all right, whole bunch more to get
Speaker 1: to an hour number two guessing lines looking for value.
Speaker 1: In Week four in the NFL, the numbers told the story.
Speaker 1: Now he's done.
Speaker 2: It's a Those idiots will believe in the analytics. This
Speaker 2: is a numbers game with Gil Alexander.
Speaker 1: Our number two.
Speaker 3: But numbers gave it the sports betting network, Visa dot
Speaker 3: Com game plus. I heard radio, YouTube, TV how are
Speaker 3: you taking a sim We appreciate it. It's Gill Alexander.
Speaker 3: It is Kelly Bidlin guessing lines for week number four
Speaker 3: in the National Football League. And Kelly, this is one
Speaker 3: of these shows where I'd like to say we're far
Speaker 3: behind where we need to be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we are. I'm not worried about worried.
Speaker 3: We know we always get there.
Speaker 1: What's next? Al Right? Steelers are Colt's early windows Sunday, still.
Speaker 3: By the way, on Sunday, Still on Sunday, by the way,
Speaker 3: sports avant Sirianni is like a better running bad second,
Speaker 3: guessing his numbers, not trusting himself, and now can't make
Speaker 3: the right decision. And then that guy says, is it
Speaker 3: time to mention little known facts about Mike Tomlin Well,
Speaker 3: the Steelers are three and oher was seven to seven
Speaker 3: game dicker twenty eight yardfield. He made it ten to seven.
Speaker 3: Boswell misses sixty two yard or before the half, It's
Speaker 3: ten to seven Chargers. At halftime, Boswell would tie it
Speaker 3: up a ten apiece on the thirty eight yard fields
Speaker 3: would get picked the first play after next time. Pittsburgh
Speaker 3: had the ball by Bud Dupree, but the Chargers will
Speaker 3: go three and out. The key of that sequence justin
Speaker 3: Herbert was hurt on a first down sack with and
Speaker 3: that's a little more than midway through the third quarter.
Speaker 3: He would not return. So when Oswell hits a thirty
Speaker 3: yarder for the Steelers to go up thirteen to ten,
Speaker 3: early fourth quarter, Taylor Heineke was in. And at that point,
Speaker 3: really it was only one touchdown that would put this
Speaker 3: game away with Herbert in, with Herbert out, and that's
Speaker 3: what Pittsburgh got. Eighty four yards five plays field to
Speaker 3: Calvin Austin from fifty five out twenty to ten Pittsburgh,
Speaker 3: and that is Katie bar the door because Steelers would
Speaker 3: actually kneel it out at the Chargers. Two twenty to
Speaker 3: ten was your final fields twenty five of thirty two
Speaker 3: for two forty five, one touchdown, one picky sack twice,
Speaker 3: six carries six yards and a touchdown. The Steelers held
Speaker 3: the Chargers to one hundred and sixty eight total yards.
Speaker 3: I am told that is not good.
Speaker 1: Game was over when Herbert went out.
Speaker 3: YEP, Indianapolis. Who you said they're playing at Indianapolis? Anthony
Speaker 3: richardson your how you're feeling about your MVP.
Speaker 1: Ticket kare not great Bob, it's the I'm really excited
Speaker 1: about my will Levice to lead the league at most interceptions,
Speaker 1: ticket Gil except for the guy who I bet MVP
Speaker 1: might beat about, Anthony Richardson. I went back and watch
Speaker 1: the not Great Bob's clip from mad Menwsoka. Not great Bob.
Speaker 3: Anthy Richardson ten of twenty for one sixty seven, two picks,
Speaker 3: no touchdowns, Jonathan Taylor twenty three for one ten and
Speaker 3: two touchdowns Pittsburgh minus one and a half. I said,
Speaker 3: split the difference between the three and the pick on.
Speaker 1: The road, ding ding ding one and a half. A
Speaker 1: couple two's out there now, but yeah, one and a half.
Speaker 1: You are all over that. Let me get this straight.
Speaker 1: I have been pretty dead on it everyone except for
Speaker 1: that other one where it was completely off on which
Speaker 1: is I said the Rams would be three point favorites,
Speaker 1: and you tell me the Bears are what Bears are?
Speaker 1: Two and a half point favorites. But are you gonna
Speaker 1: back that gill I with all those injuries.
Speaker 3: I will not be mowing you over to get to
Speaker 3: the window now, least not right now.
Speaker 1: Right. Maybe you're interested in it later, maybe next still
Speaker 1: early window on Sunday Broncos at Jets.
Speaker 3: One in two Broncos at the two and one Jets.
Speaker 3: Jets will have extra rest here. Obviously, they beat the
Speaker 3: Patriots on Thursday night. We talked about that Rogers had
Speaker 3: a great game and they just dominated the Patriots four
Speaker 3: hundred to one hundred and thirty nine in total yards,
Speaker 3: two sixty seven to sixty one on the ground, and
Speaker 3: doubled them up more than doubled them up in time
Speaker 3: of possession Denver yesterday, though, Man, they came out of
Speaker 3: the gates against Tampa Bay. They were phenomenal. Six plays
Speaker 3: seventy yards, Knicks to Sutton for twenty two to start,
Speaker 3: then two plays later to Reynolds for thirty one. Three
Speaker 3: plays after that, knicks in from three seven to nothing.
Speaker 3: Broncos later third and four for Tampa Bay at their
Speaker 3: own thirty. Baker, picked by Brandon Jones, returned to the
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay nine that would end up Firth and goal
Speaker 3: at fourth and goal at the one, Denver's up seven
Speaker 3: to nothing. This play might have been the most incredible
Speaker 3: play in the NFL yesterday.
Speaker 1: To me. They pitch it to Jalil McLoughlin, who looks
Speaker 1: to be completely.
Speaker 3: Penned in by Anthony Nelson. This is fourth and goal
Speaker 3: at the one by Anthony Nelson. He jukes him, he
Speaker 3: speeds around another defender and somehow scores and Denver leads
Speaker 3: at fourteen to nothing. If they could have done a
Speaker 3: touchdown probability meter when he had the ball in the backfield,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it would have been zero point h
Speaker 3: four percent at one point. It is incredible that he
Speaker 3: got into the end zone. That was amazing. Fourteen to nothing, Broncos,
Speaker 3: it'll be seventeen to nothing later. Denver would have it
Speaker 3: first in ten up seventeen at the Tampa Bay forty,
Speaker 3: and then Javonte Williams was hit by Levonte David, he
Speaker 3: fumbled and he was recovered by Logan Hall. Tampa Bay
Speaker 3: would drive it down to make it seventeen to seven,
Speaker 3: Baker to Godwin, five out, and at that point you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that fumble might have turned the entire game around. We're
Speaker 3: still in the first half. But Lutz would kick a
Speaker 3: field goal to make it twenty to seven before the half,
Speaker 3: and here this is all you need to know about
Speaker 3: the second half. He're all off Tampa Bay's drives ready,
Speaker 3: Tampa Bay punt. Tampa Bay punt fourth and three at
Speaker 3: the Denver twenty five. Baker sacked by Nick Benito, second
Speaker 3: and goal at the sixteen. On the next Tampa Bay drive,
Speaker 3: after Baker was sacked by Dondre Tillman to Kate Otten
Speaker 3: hit by Riley Moss fumbles, Brandon Jones recovers. That was
Speaker 3: with a few minutes left in the game. All the
Speaker 3: while they're kicking field goals. Are the Broncos five? I'll
Speaker 3: score twenty six to seven the Broncos outright winners as
Speaker 3: the underdogs keep on coming home in the NFL, not
Speaker 3: only covering but cashing outright, Broncos get off the Schneid
Speaker 3: good on bone. Nicks had himself a good game twenty
Speaker 3: five to thirty six for two to sixteen, and they
Speaker 3: held the Bucks to two hundred and twenty three total yards,
Speaker 3: and they sacked Baker seven times. Denver's defense was phenomenal.
Speaker 3: So in this one, I'll say the Jets minus six
Speaker 3: and a half?
Speaker 1: Am I too high? No, you're not high enough. Just
Speaker 1: seven and a half or.
Speaker 3: Eight out there right now? WHOA, Okay, that's a little much.
Speaker 3: I actually, yeah, you know what, I actually like this
Speaker 3: better than I like the Rams Bears game. If you're
Speaker 3: telling me, okay, so more than seven. I'm taking the
Speaker 3: Broncos defense. Okay, yeah, I'm taking the Broncos, but I'm
Speaker 3: really taking the Broncos.
Speaker 1: You're not taking bone Nicks.
Speaker 3: I don't think the Broncos defense specifically is available for
Speaker 3: that bad Broncos.
Speaker 1: I'm taking all that game. That game helped helped out
Speaker 1: his season so far. But man, and that was I
Speaker 1: think the Bucks. I was just thinking, while you were
Speaker 1: going through that Bucks and Saints, I think you can
Speaker 1: say the same thing about right they are. They are
Speaker 1: not as bad as they looked yesterday, but they aren't
Speaker 1: as good as what they looked those first two weeks.
Speaker 3: The Bucks, for sure, because the Bucks got crushed in
Speaker 3: total yards by the Lions last week too. Yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what's next.
Speaker 1: Let's keep rolling through that. Okay, let's go two Eagles
Speaker 1: at Buccaneers.
Speaker 3: We talked about both of these the Nick Sirianni Show
Speaker 3: for Philly, but they still win. Hurts twenty nine of
Speaker 3: thirty eight for three to eleven, no touchdowns, one pick,
Speaker 3: He was sacked four times. He lost to fumble Saquon
Speaker 3: Though seventeen for one forty seven and two touchdowns on
Speaker 3: the ground, God are ten for one seventy the game
Speaker 3: of his life, including that huge sixty one yarder that
Speaker 3: saved the game for Philly. They outgained New Orleans four
Speaker 3: sixty to two nineteen and then Tampa Bay and defeat
Speaker 3: Mayfield twenty five to thirty three. As we just mentioned,
Speaker 3: sack seven times, Bucks held to two hundred twenty three
Speaker 3: total yards Philly minus two and a half.
Speaker 1: I won't go quite the three two and a half
Speaker 1: or two everywhere right now. So we are all over
Speaker 1: that one as well. Okay, I like the Broncos. What's next?
Speaker 1: We've got an early windows still Bengals at Panthers.
Speaker 3: The oh to two Bengals again. They play Washington tonight
Speaker 3: in the second of the two Monday nighters. Remember Jacksonville
Speaker 3: Buffalo to begin followed not followed by but staggered start.
Speaker 3: You like the staggered star?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I love it. I don't prefer the
Speaker 1: stagger star. I like when it gets to halftime. I
Speaker 1: can just concentrate on another game.
Speaker 3: Okay, Cincinnati at Carolina tonight, all excuse me? Next week?
Speaker 3: So Cincinnati plays tonight, but Carolina good on Andy Dalton
Speaker 3: and the Carolina Panthers. If you're Bryce Young, you gotta
Speaker 3: be sitting there on the sideline thinking to yourself, Man,
Speaker 3: maybe maybe maybe I'm just not cut out for this league.
Speaker 1: If you listen to this, watch this, buy your drink sometime,
Speaker 1: it's all I can think.
Speaker 3: I like you, Bryce, you know, you seem like a
Speaker 3: good dude.
Speaker 1: That feels so bad.
Speaker 3: I felt so bad for Carolina. Just a completely different
Speaker 3: football team. By the way, remember that one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty five to one I recommended on Carolina winning the
Speaker 3: NFC South last week fifteen to one.
Speaker 1: Now a game. Wow.
Speaker 3: Seventy yards on nine plays to start, Dalton to Chewba Hubbard,
Speaker 3: Chewa Hubbard is so happy to see Andy Dalton from
Speaker 3: six out seven to nothing Carolina. Less than five minutes
Speaker 3: in later, Vegas would tie it up. Las Vegas would
Speaker 3: go ninety seven yards on ten plays. Minshew to Trey
Speaker 3: Tucker for fifty four the Big Chunk Eve eventually Alexander
Speaker 3: Madison in from two seven to seven late first quarter.
Speaker 3: But then Carolina ten plays seventy five yards Dalton, Deonte
Speaker 3: Deionte Johnson he just loves having Andy Dalton there for
Speaker 3: twenty three on third and fifteen from their own thirty one.
Speaker 3: That was the key play that Dalton Xavier to get
Speaker 3: for thirty for thirty five. Two plays later, Dalton to
Speaker 3: Deontay perfect pass on third and goal from the five
Speaker 3: touchdown fourteen to seven Carolina, nine to twenty eight left
Speaker 3: in the second quarter. Carolina later in the second quarter
Speaker 3: would get it back on their own thirty two with
Speaker 3: one twelve left, four plays ending with Dalton de Deonte
Speaker 3: for thirty five, then to thiel In for thirty one
Speaker 3: that would make it twenty one to seven. Adam Feln,
Speaker 3: hurt on the play, would not return, and then it
Speaker 3: was sort of academic in the second half because Carolina
Speaker 3: would eventually go up thirty three to seven. Sanders In
Speaker 3: from one on an eighty four yard drive, two point
Speaker 3: conversion failed thirty three to seven. At that point, the
Speaker 3: Raiders benched Minshew put in O'Connell final score thirty six
Speaker 3: to twenty two Carolina in a route five hundred and
Speaker 3: fifteen more survivors gone on on the Raiders in this one.
Speaker 3: Dalton twenty six of thirty seven for three nineteen three touchdowns.
Speaker 3: He becomes the first quarterback this year, in any game
Speaker 3: to throw for three hundred yards and throw three touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: How about that? No way say that again, Gil, There's
Speaker 1: no way that is possibly true.
Speaker 3: The first quarterback in almost three weeks of National Football
Speaker 3: League play that has thrown three touchdown passes and thrown
Speaker 3: for three hundred yards in the same game.
Speaker 1: What is this season? What? Yes?
Speaker 3: And that more than anything shows you. There you go,
Speaker 3: that more than anything shows you how poor quarterback play
Speaker 3: is league wide. Quarterback play defense is doing the cover
Speaker 3: two so every it's only only you know long plays
Speaker 3: are are minimized. It's all to me. It's the preseason
Speaker 3: being shortened. It's just a confluence of things. The parody
Speaker 3: in this league is if Pete Rosell's dream of parody
Speaker 3: has never been more true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've talked about it's been crazy. The h that
Speaker 1: Adam feeling injury was weird. Man. It almost felt like
Speaker 1: the It almost felt like the like it's like I'm
Speaker 1: giving it one last great play. Yeah, like type like
Speaker 1: it was he used up everything he had left about
Speaker 1: that catch. I thought he got that wind knocked out
Speaker 1: of him. At first. I guess I was like, it
Speaker 1: has to be wind knocked out, shoulder or head. And
Speaker 1: then he starts grabbing his hamstring and you're like, what Hubbard.
Speaker 1: By the way, twenty one for one to fourteen, five
Speaker 1: catches for fifty five in a touch, a four thirty
Speaker 1: seven to three thirty one total yards advantage for the Panthers. Uh, placeholder.
Speaker 1: With Cincinnati still having not played tonight, I said, Cincinnati though,
Speaker 1: minus six on the road, Let's not get crazy. You're
Speaker 1: a little heavy. Five to five and a half more
Speaker 1: than no man's laying. Okay, yeah, right, So so far,
Speaker 1: I like Denver the most, I think of all these Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we get through there, we got through four there,
Speaker 1: I think, right, all right, we're getting there three. No, no, therefore, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Denver the most because the Jets, I don't,
Speaker 1: you know, like so many of these games. I don't
Speaker 1: know if we learned a huge amount about the Jets
Speaker 1: against the Patriots, but uh, I'll take more than a touchdown.
Speaker 3: That's the point of the exercise. We got more to
Speaker 3: come week four. Trying to look for value here in
Speaker 3: the NFL, right here on guessing lines on a numbers.
Speaker 2: Game, numbers game on the Sports Vetting Network.
Speaker 3: Back on a numbers game live from Circa Circa Sports
Speaker 3: Resorting Casino. That is what it is skill Alexander Kelly
Speaker 3: bedlinting live from the Mothership. Here in Derek Stevens Empire,
Speaker 3: we get tweets beating the book badger better. Oh I
Speaker 3: like this one, he goes, great show, thank you, sir.
Speaker 3: Regarding how many entries and Circus survivor is ideal, last year,
Speaker 3: the last thirty survivors bought in with an average of
Speaker 3: five and a half entries. The last ten survivors last year,
Speaker 3: the average buy in was four point seven entries, which,
Speaker 3: by the way, when I was talking with Pessic before
Speaker 3: the season started and pressed him on this, what do
Speaker 3: you really think the optimal amount of entries is? And
Speaker 3: he said somewhere in that pocket as well, which is
Speaker 3: exactly the pocket that I do every year, which is five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where you've kind of got to, right, five
Speaker 1: s think anything more than that is just redundant. I
Speaker 1: really I think if yeah, I think you're right. I
Speaker 1: love having multiple entries. I haven't gotten to five yet.
Speaker 1: It was a little too rich for my blood. But
Speaker 1: the I think you're right. Four or five. Probably Here's
Speaker 1: the thing.
Speaker 3: While I say that about me, I'd like everybody else
Speaker 3: to get not only ten, but thirty or so that
Speaker 3: the pod gets to fourteen million to two hundred sixty
Speaker 3: six thousand Playmaker seven six point nine. The Lionel G.
Speaker 3: Williams says, has anybody noticed Malik Willis.
Speaker 1: Is being very productive? Yes, we were talking about him.
Speaker 3: In the NFL. Coaching overall is awful. He is now
Speaker 3: being properly coached. If the last two games he has
Speaker 3: played in had been his first two games, the perception
Speaker 3: of him is one hundred and eighty degrees in the
Speaker 3: other direction. Shaking my head, Lionel, you might be completely
Speaker 3: right about that last point. Might very well be. Coaching
Speaker 3: is everything, and getting coach I mean the way that
Speaker 3: Matt Lafleur pointed out, he goes getting supported by his teammates.
Speaker 3: And he cannot speak more highly enough about how Malik
Speaker 3: has taken to the game plan on these games.
Speaker 1: It all goes back, though, to the conversation, we have
Speaker 1: quarterbacks with quarterbacks all time. I don't blame these coaches
Speaker 1: in these front offices for it. Look, you try, you
Speaker 1: try to go in on a quarterback in the draft
Speaker 1: it doesn't work out, you got to move on as
Speaker 1: soon as possible. These guys get forced into action way
Speaker 1: too early. Yep, I understand that they do. But you
Speaker 1: need to figure out if you've got something or not.
Speaker 1: So I don't think I don't think you should be
Speaker 1: a surprise guilt. If we see more stories like Malik
Speaker 1: Willis down.
Speaker 3: Line, well, it gets back to the again. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say it for the tenth time, the Jordan love thing. Right,
Speaker 3: if you get to hold a clipboard under the same
Speaker 3: you know, you know, in the same organization, the same
Speaker 3: coaching staff for years, and by the way, on you know,
Speaker 3: in his case, under a Hall of Fame starting quarterback,
Speaker 3: that's the.
Speaker 1: Big part, right right. Most of these guys don't have
Speaker 1: that luxury. Most of these teams don't. Sure not today.
Speaker 3: Back in the day they alst did seven oh two
Speaker 3: Steve Sports see the proxy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, here we go.
Speaker 3: Hashtag Bill's Mafia coming, he goes. When the Bills win
Speaker 3: by ten BLUs tonight, can they finally get some love
Speaker 3: in your top ten? By the way, did you see
Speaker 3: the great game digs hadding a blowout loss yesterday? I
Speaker 3: bet he was the only happy guy in that locker room.
Speaker 3: Losing Digs was additioned by some traction hate Stefan Diggs.
Speaker 3: Bill's mafia all over it. By the way, I still
Speaker 3: love Jesse Bogola. There's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 3: We have one more guys, Yes, JP fits seven. I
Speaker 3: so look forward to Mike Alvarez's tweets and gillies Mom's
Speaker 3: voice about his Eisman candidacy. Yes, when Eli Holstein becomes legitis,
Speaker 3: Oh Eli, please? When did you have your Barmitz and
Speaker 3: trip Tepper?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: On in game opportunities took the Giants money line profit
Speaker 3: boosted early in the first quarter at Cleveland was a
Speaker 3: Survivor slash Deshaun Watson fade and a play on the
Speaker 3: desperate zero to two team.
Speaker 1: Well done, man, they tried to tease you with boosted
Speaker 1: in game. That's wow. Yeah, I didn't know. I wish
Speaker 1: we had boosts. I wish we I wish we.
Speaker 3: Even had the word boost in our vocabulary.
Speaker 1: I think Caesars throws out like one or two of them.
Speaker 1: All right, we got more to get to, all right.
Speaker 1: Last early window game, Jaguars at Texans.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, Jaguars played a night against the Bills. They
Speaker 3: are six and a half point dogs at the moment.
Speaker 1: Is that correct? Six and a half?
Speaker 3: What do we five and a half called five and
Speaker 3: a half on jackson six Stroud in defeat for Houston
Speaker 3: twenty of thirty one for two fifteen before he was
Speaker 3: taken out of the game. Houston had eleven penalties for
Speaker 3: eighty eight yards. They again, as I mentioned, had ten
Speaker 3: third downs of ten plus yards to go Jacksonville sight
Speaker 3: on scene, I say, Houston minus four next week and
Speaker 3: what you know, before the season looked to be, Oh,
Speaker 3: this is the big AFC South game between the Jags
Speaker 3: and the Texans.
Speaker 1: Maybe it will prove to be Yeah, this is Texans
Speaker 1: four and a half. So you're pretty pretty spot on
Speaker 1: right in the middle there, four four and a half.
Speaker 1: I basically across the board. Uh, okay, into the late window.
Speaker 1: Four five Eastern one O five Pacific Commanders at Cardinals.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is exciting. Washington Place tonight. Arizona. We didn't
Speaker 3: talk about Arizona and Detroit yet Detroit goes this is
Speaker 3: weird game Greade, first half grade, first half of football,
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh my god, they can't set the
Speaker 3: total high.
Speaker 1: Enough I had an over fifty one and a half
Speaker 1: in this game.
Speaker 3: Denver opening actually Denver Detroit opening drive nine play seventy yards.
Speaker 3: Montgomery in from one, seven to nothing, Detroit less than
Speaker 3: five minutes in. Then Arizona comes right back. Eight play
Speaker 3: seventy yards. Kyler to Marvin Harrison Junior. He's got to
Speaker 3: be the Rookie of the year leader at this point
Speaker 3: for sixteen early on in the drive, than Kyler for
Speaker 3: twenty one himself. And eventually Kyler to Harrison from ten
Speaker 3: out seven to seven about five minutes later. Then Detroit
Speaker 3: thirteen play seventy yards. Took him seven minutes and forty
Speaker 3: one seconds. Golf to a mon Saint Brown from five
Speaker 3: out thirteen to seven, Detroit twelve twenty seven left in
Speaker 3: the second quarter. Jake Bates missed the extra point though,
Speaker 3: You're like, oh, that's gonna come back and haunt him.
Speaker 3: Thirteen to seven later, Detroit go seventy two yards, but
Speaker 3: eighted this. Ah, how about this play? All right, it's
Speaker 3: thirteen to seven Detroit, they go seventy two yards. But
Speaker 3: in the middle of this drive the clock goes to
Speaker 3: two minutes. You see this, so it's going two two
Speaker 3: two to.
Speaker 1: Oh one, and it's at about man.
Speaker 3: It's about two minutes point five four seconds when the
Speaker 3: ball gets snapped. Yes, okay, they won hunt. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: my clock one hundred percent of the time. Let that
Speaker 3: play go on, except not in this game yesterday. And
Speaker 3: what ends up happening is Golf gets hit the ball,
Speaker 3: the ball goes up in the air and was returned
Speaker 3: for a touchdown, but the officials say no, sorry, two
Speaker 3: minute warning. The whistles had blownk which, by the way.
Speaker 1: They had, but still is completely inconsistent with every other
Speaker 1: game we've ever seen in life. Okay, I all I
Speaker 1: could tell people was it made me feel better than
Speaker 1: it was and the least whistles were blown on the field. Fine, yes,
Speaker 1: gil I win. Have we ever seen a two minute
Speaker 1: warning clock? Be that watched that close up?
Speaker 3: I've never never ever happened before. And instead the Lions
Speaker 3: get the ball. They convert the third and twelve with
Speaker 3: a Gibbs fourteen yard run. Then three plays later, Golf
Speaker 3: to Saint Brown on a short pass, who pitches.
Speaker 1: It back to Gibbs, who takes it to the house.
Speaker 1: I was so sweet.
Speaker 3: The remaining twenty Duriel Harris and Tony Nathan shout out,
Speaker 3: old schoolers, know what I'm talking about? It like hell,
Speaker 3: they're not more plays like that. Twenty to seven Detroit.
Speaker 3: Prader would make a field goal twenty to ten Detroit
Speaker 3: at the half. Guess what that was? The score almost
Speaker 3: the entire game the rest of the way, And because
Speaker 3: there was just punts and picks and golf wasn't particularly good,
Speaker 3: there was you know, four down plays where Montgomery was
Speaker 3: stuffed for no gain, on and on. Arizona eventually got
Speaker 3: a Prader forty five yard field goal to cut it
Speaker 3: twenty to thirteen with three forty eight left, but then
Speaker 3: an eighteen yard completion of Saint Brown on third and
Speaker 3: eleven really meant and then golf had a nice little run.
Speaker 3: Arizona would never see the ball again. Ballgame twenty to
Speaker 3: thirteen Detroit Kyler twenty one of thirty four for two
Speaker 3: oh seven in defeat. Arizona's gonna be more than a
Speaker 3: three point favorite against Washington. I'll say four and a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're pretty much spot on. Let me just double
Speaker 1: check if we've moved it all in this one. I
Speaker 1: bet this on the look ahead at four and a half,
Speaker 1: we're out to five five and a half on the
Speaker 1: Arizona side, which I think with Commander's sight unseen, that
Speaker 1: makes some sense. I like cards gonna like the over.
Speaker 1: I bet him already. Okay, now all right, four of
Speaker 1: five Eastern Patriots of forty nine ers.
Speaker 3: Oh oh, that's gonna be a big spread. And we'll
Speaker 3: we'll see who's back for San Francisco in this game.
Speaker 3: New England extra rest. Jacoby Brissett was twelve.
Speaker 1: Of eighteen for ninety eight, was sacked five times against
Speaker 1: the Jets Purty yesterday, and I agree with.
Speaker 3: How you said it. That might have been brock Perty's
Speaker 3: most impressive game. If you watch this football game, you
Speaker 3: could not help but think to yourself, Oh, even the
Speaker 3: doubters have to get that.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. Dude's a baller.
Speaker 3: Pretty twenty two of thirty for two to ninety two,
Speaker 3: three touchdowns, no picks. He was sacked ones ten for
Speaker 3: forty one on the ground. He did lose a fumble
Speaker 3: and Joe Jwan Jennings that will always be in defeat
Speaker 3: the Juwan Jennings game. Eleven for one seventy five and
Speaker 3: three touchdowns. They outgained the Rams four twenty five to
Speaker 3: two ninety six, but lose. I'll say San Francisco by
Speaker 3: ten as a starter, think ten and a half.
Speaker 1: As where it opened. Everywhere we got it. We are
Speaker 1: up to eleven a couple places already. I bet the
Speaker 1: under in this game under forty and a half for
Speaker 1: me on that one, all right. Four to twenty five
Speaker 1: Eastern Browns at Raiders.
Speaker 3: Oh god, one in two Browns one and two Raiders.
Speaker 3: Brown's in defeat losing to the Giants. Yesterday, as we
Speaker 3: talked about twenty Watson Deshaun Watson twenty one of thirty
Speaker 3: seven for one ninety six. He was sacked eight times
Speaker 3: by the New York Football Giants.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as bad as he was. That what happened in
Speaker 1: the in the trench? Is there?
Speaker 3: That was the whole game Cleveland got dominated? Could it
Speaker 3: be that like that?
Speaker 1: Remember Cleveland played Dallas Week one and Dallas crushed him.
Speaker 1: We're like, wow, two good teams. Dallas looks awesome.
Speaker 3: I feel like that football game completely destroy royd me
Speaker 3: on both.
Speaker 1: Of these teams. Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 3: In the end.
Speaker 1: They both suck bad like or is are the Cowboys
Speaker 1: like okay? And the Browns are terrible. Maybe that's what
Speaker 1: it means. I think they both are, babe, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3: Detroit is I mean, excuse me. Dallas is terrible on defense, yes, terrible.
Speaker 3: Cleveland is just, oh god, how much money they're paying.
Speaker 1: I was screaming for Jamis yesterday. I was screaming, give
Speaker 1: me a shot.
Speaker 3: Cooper was seven for eighty six, two touchdowns receiving, but again,
Speaker 3: the Browns were held to two hundred and seventeen total yards.
Speaker 3: A lot of that has to do with the sack yardage.
Speaker 3: And then Las Vegas Minshew was eighteen of twenty eight
Speaker 3: for two fourteen, one touchdown, one picksack twice. O'Connell in
Speaker 3: relief nine for twelve for eighty two, one touchdown, no picks.
Speaker 3: He was sacked once, and they had a four thirty
Speaker 3: seven to three thirty one disadvantage in total yards in
Speaker 3: their game against Carolina.
Speaker 1: This is a pick them. I don't know what else
Speaker 1: to make this where Brown's one or it's a pick up.
Speaker 3: Okay, what's a horrible football game?
Speaker 1: A little too late to play the bite, but you
Speaker 1: you're at Tonio Piers post game. No guys were making
Speaker 1: business decisions out there, and we're gonna have to make
Speaker 1: business decisions.
Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to run into him and the building
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Speaker 3: Oh boy, didn't catch the first hour, so not sure
Speaker 3: if you discussed the Mahomes rushing yards probab Well, we
Speaker 3: haven't gone to Kansas City yet, so we haven't.
Speaker 1: It was nineteen yards. He had thirty yards going to
Speaker 1: the last drive.
Speaker 3: He went backwards on his kneel, on his knees for
Speaker 3: minus thirteen yards to finish with seventy worst beat of
Speaker 3: my life. Yes, this is reminiscent.
Speaker 1: He's done this before of the.
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, the pandemic super Bowl, right right before this pandemic,
Speaker 3: where the same thing happened in the Super Bowl, where
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes's kneel downs are not just your garden variety
Speaker 3: one or two yard kneel downs. He goes back four
Speaker 3: or five and so this one.
Speaker 1: He had three consecutive kneel downs at the end of
Speaker 1: this game, which collectively, as the gentleman says, was thirteen
Speaker 1: yards enough to take him way over his rushing total
Speaker 1: to just under it. Well, and he did. I like it.
Speaker 1: It's it's easy. I know it's annoying. It is terrible.
Speaker 1: Do you have a bet like that? But he did
Speaker 1: need to burn some time. He did clock right, that
Speaker 1: is the point of what he was doing. And that
Speaker 1: is again that is part of the details as to
Speaker 1: why the Chiefs when people are saying, oh, the Chiefs
Speaker 1: always get the plinko at the end, part of it
Speaker 1: is because they attention to details. Yeah, right, and we'll
Speaker 1: get to it how they Yeah, they were. He had
Speaker 1: to extend a play so that the so that the
Speaker 1: clock and the play clock would be advantageous to the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: which again is we talked about a couple of these
Speaker 1: kickoffs earlier, how the Colts didn't take the ball out
Speaker 1: of the end zone when they could have eliminated a
Speaker 1: play for the for the for the Bears who were
Speaker 1: trying to obviously have the best of the clock. Then
Speaker 1: there was another one in another game, and so some
Speaker 1: coaches get it and some don't. Patrick Mahomes completely got
Speaker 1: it with that. TKL Bets definitely jumped on that. Carolina
Speaker 1: Divis bet already offering me four times my bet, but
Speaker 1: letting it ride. All right. This is one of those
Speaker 1: we usually we usually crap all over the cash out option.
Speaker 1: I actually do with a bet like that one hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty to one one week, four extra money the
Speaker 1: next week. I got no problem with that. Jeff Jeff Schwartz,
Speaker 1: not our Jeff Schwartz, but different Jeff Schwartz says I
Speaker 1: did bet Carolina to win the division at one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty to one for pizza money. The cash out
Speaker 1: option is now four pizzas. I'm holding the ticket and
Speaker 1: they're now going to be a Panthers fan this season.
Speaker 1: Thanks well, uh four times listen. I think I let
Speaker 1: I actually, I actually think I like the bet. I
Speaker 1: like I love that you made the bet.
Speaker 3: I'd be cashing out. There is an easy go, easy come,
Speaker 3: easy go philosophy to that, right, cash out like it's gone.
Speaker 3: It came and went and you made money on Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then you don't have to worry about it the
Speaker 3: rest of the year anymore. I'll read some more here.
Speaker 3: This is from my This is from or Mike Stacks.
Speaker 3: I think the Lions would love to trade golf back
Speaker 3: to the Rams for Stafford. Golf has been so inconsistent
Speaker 3: this year. Please don't lose an Bengals. He throws that
Speaker 3: in at the.
Speaker 1: End Brian Young, the notorious guns. He says with the
Speaker 1: quote of the day. When talking about the Raiders Browns
Speaker 1: game next week, I said, what a terrible football game.
Speaker 3: Priceless, he says, so many of those Greg and boy C.
Speaker 3: He says, my wife was wondering why my morning hikes
Speaker 3: go from twelve minutes to two hours during football season.
Speaker 3: Thankful for the great show. Cue the music. I'm a survivor,
Speaker 3: he says, not till it's not till it's official. And
Speaker 3: then Jesse Wels, I know it's guessing Line's day, but
Speaker 3: are we really going to go the whole show without
Speaker 3: mentioning that Skeens is back to odds on favorite for
Speaker 3: NL Rookie of the Year. Skeens is back to a
Speaker 3: favorite after his last outing. We have to do a
Speaker 3: lot of baseball tomorrow because Skeens is not only the
Speaker 3: favorite yet. And by the way, I am not involved
Speaker 3: in that. If you're just asking me what my gut
Speaker 3: is about what the voters are going to do, and
Speaker 3: again we're handicapping voters.
Speaker 1: I think it's Skeens. I think it's Skeens. We didn't
Speaker 1: because we didn't get the plus three ten. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: got all boogie last week for us. Bogie is exactly
Speaker 1: what we were. By the way, Gladys Knight and the
Speaker 1: Pips boogie boogie, great song. But we have a lot
Speaker 1: to talk about baseball because with our bets, the Tigers
Speaker 1: are now in playoff position. I grabbed the plus four
Speaker 1: fifty last week night. Tigers have a one Tigers and
Speaker 1: Royals both have a one game lead over the Twins,
Speaker 1: who are just crapping the bed down the stretch in
Speaker 1: a epic fashion. But the Royals are like, please, we're
Speaker 1: take it from us, and the Twins won't oblige. But
Speaker 1: the Tigers were our bet. They're they're looking great here.
Speaker 1: And remember with six games left, the Tigers finished with
Speaker 1: three against the.
Speaker 3: White Sox, which is awesome. That's that was part that
Speaker 3: was integral to the bet. And then in the terms
Speaker 3: of case of the Braves missing the playoffs, the Mets
Speaker 3: and the Diamondbacks still both have a two game lead
Speaker 3: over the Braves and now comes the Braves three games
Speaker 3: set with the Mets starting tomorrow. But the beauty of
Speaker 3: the Mets maintaining the two game lead with their win
Speaker 3: last night on Sunday Night Baseball is if they only
Speaker 3: win one of those three against the Braves, they will
Speaker 3: have it still on their racket heading into the last
Speaker 3: three games, and if they win two of those three,
Speaker 3: it's over. Sorry, Mike went crazy, it's over. If they
Speaker 3: win two of the three, we win the bet there.
Speaker 3: We also win that Vson contest, which we're expecting, big guys, right, yeah,
Speaker 3: exactly exactly what's next?
Speaker 1: All right? For twenty five Eastern one, twenty five Pacific
Speaker 1: Chiefs at Chargers.
Speaker 3: Although there's the Chiefs and the Mahomes thing.
Speaker 1: Chiefs, as we talked about, beat the Falcons because and
Speaker 1: again Raheem Morris's behavior down the stretch made absolutely no sense.
Speaker 3: You could have kicked the field goal the first time
Speaker 3: you decided to go for it. They didn't get the flag.
Speaker 3: Maybe they should have. And then the second time he's
Speaker 3: calling timeouts. Why are you calling timeouts?
Speaker 1: Man? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: Called one successfully tried to call another. Mahomes was twenty
Speaker 3: six of thirty nine for two seventeen. Like his stats
Speaker 3: have just been like, you know, kind of where she
Speaker 3: Rice is the entire offense twelve catches for one ten
Speaker 3: and a touchdown, and the Chargers, as we mentioned, were
Speaker 3: held one hundred and sixty eight total yards in their
Speaker 3: game against Pittsburgh. Herbert knocked out of the game twelve
Speaker 3: of eighteen for one to twenty five. I said, the
Speaker 3: Chiefs by six on the road, and I don't know.
Speaker 3: We'll have to monitor as by the way, we said
Speaker 3: yet last week you had to monitor Justin Herbert's status
Speaker 3: heading into that game.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's why all the Chargers teaser people and we had
Speaker 3: fezek on. They were all so gung ho about it,
Speaker 3: but it was like, do you know if Justin Herbert's
Speaker 3: okay and then he got hurt further in this game.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd even say I Love looked better than
Speaker 1: I thought. There was a better chance Love was gonna
Speaker 1: go with it Herbert when they were showing pregame war
Speaker 1: Bucks and then yeah, Opposon ends up happening. You are
Speaker 1: a little light on this. This opened like nine and
Speaker 1: a half. Most places this is down to seven. Though
Speaker 1: this game has had the most movement on it from
Speaker 1: the opener, Chargers taking money, Chiefs down to seven. It's
Speaker 1: seven everywhere I'm looking at it right now. Did you
Speaker 1: say love when you're talking in the Packers, I'm talking
Speaker 1: I really thought that Jordan Love might actually play in
Speaker 1: that game.
Speaker 3: Yes, I say, I'm like, Jordan Love doesn't play.
Speaker 1: I mean, it made no sense for him to play.
Speaker 3: But yeah, uh so I said six and it is seven.
Speaker 3: You said yeah, seven?
Speaker 1: Okay? Next, all right? Sunday night football Bills had Ravens.
Speaker 3: Yes, oh that's good. Bills played a night of course
Speaker 3: again against Jacksonville'll talk about it in a minute. Jacksonville,
Speaker 3: excuse me? Buffalo two and oh, Baltimore one and two.
Speaker 3: They get off the schnight against the Cowboys, but barely.
Speaker 3: Baltimore has a problem at the ends of games, don't
Speaker 3: They almost gacked excuse me, gacked it last week to
Speaker 3: the Raiders after having a big lead, and then almost
Speaker 3: gacked this one to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Gacked technical term. They get very just kind of nonchalanted.
Speaker 3: I don't get it, Like it's am I remembering correctly
Speaker 3: that like that game against Tennessee that they lost last
Speaker 3: year was the same kind of thing. Maybe I'm wrong,
Speaker 3: maybe it maybe it wasn't quite as quite as uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like it does feel like it's become kind
Speaker 1: of a thing for them.
Speaker 3: I mean, it'll get in your head if if it
Speaker 3: keeps happening. Lamar twelve to fifteen for one eighty two,
Speaker 3: but fourteen carries for eighty seven in a touch and
Speaker 3: then Derek Henry had his best game as a Raven
Speaker 3: twenty five for one fifty one and two touchdowns. One
Speaker 3: catcher twenty three again four hundred and seventy six total
Speaker 3: yards for the Ravens. They outgained Dallas two seventy four
Speaker 3: to fifty one on the ground. They have thirteen penalties
Speaker 3: for one oh five. Got to clean that up. Baltimore
Speaker 3: by four and a half.
Speaker 1: This one right now is two and a half. Come on,
Speaker 1: stop it.
Speaker 3: I know I am so much more down on the
Speaker 3: bills than the general market is, but I'll take Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Already teased up bill. I teased up bills with the
Speaker 1: Bengals tonight.
Speaker 3: Give me the Ravens two and a half. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I like the Broncos and Ravens.
Speaker 1: The best so far. All right? Ready for Monday night?
Speaker 1: Sure seven thirty Eastern Titans at Dolphins.
Speaker 3: Uh oh, I guess we didn't talk about the Dolphins
Speaker 3: game Tennessee zero and three. They could clinch. There is
Speaker 3: a scenario where they clinch last winless Tonight. Levis was
Speaker 3: twenty six of thirty four for two to sixty, but
Speaker 3: he was sacked eight times. He threw two picks he
Speaker 3: lost to fumble. They were out gained by Green Bay
Speaker 3: three seventy eight to two thirty seven. They were minus
Speaker 3: three and turnovers Miami. They trailed ten to nothing against Seattle.
Speaker 3: Then Gino was picked off the deflection by Cater Kohu.
Speaker 3: Set up at Seattle the Seattle six yard line, but
Speaker 3: Skyler Thompson and the Dolphins couldn't do anything. Illegal motion
Speaker 3: five yards back, then one yard passed and the six
Speaker 3: yard pass third and goal at the four. They throw
Speaker 3: it away. They had to settle for a chip shot
Speaker 3: field goal. Then Gino deep to DK for seventy one.
Speaker 3: It was seventeen to three, seventeen to three Seattle at
Speaker 3: the end of the first quarter, and honestly, that was
Speaker 3: kind of the game. Miami was set up in.
Speaker 1: Plus territory after a Burrios forty four yard punt return
Speaker 1: at one point, they went nowhere three and out. Miami
Speaker 1: was just completely inept and the skylard got knocked down
Speaker 1: in this game, and they had to go to Tim
Speaker 1: Boyle at one point so ball game. It was twenty
Speaker 1: four to three. Seattle finally put it away late with
Speaker 1: an eleven play ninety eight yard drive to ice at
Speaker 1: Charbona and from ten to make it twenty four to three,
Speaker 1: and for all intents and purposes, the game was over
Speaker 1: at that point. Skyler thirteen of nineteen for one oh
Speaker 1: seven sack five times as the starter. Only two hundred
Speaker 1: five totally yards are the Dolphins, But I but it's
Speaker 1: against Tennessee, so I'll say they're favored by two and
Speaker 1: a half. I did open Tennessee one. Most places, We're
Speaker 1: got to pick up most places. Oh stop it, give
Speaker 1: me the Dolphins. I like three now.
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Speaker 1: Beating the book always appreciate the feedback every day, but
Speaker 1: it's always particularly amusing on guessing. That's when folks, when
Speaker 1: folks are chiming in on stuff. This is from uh,
Speaker 1: what do we got Los Vegas five to one four? Yoh,
Speaker 1: can you spell the technical term gagged? Is it ka
Speaker 1: c k ed or c A G E T lmao?
Speaker 3: He says, I.
Speaker 1: Actually, I'll tell you what I if I ever write it,
Speaker 1: it's g A c K ed, yes, ghacked?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's usually good in tennis.
Speaker 1: She gacked it.
Speaker 3: Ebbie Lalouge sixty seven. Larry Brewer, I have the Braves
Speaker 3: not to make the playoffs bet as well. My new
Speaker 3: fear is that the Diamondbacks are completely in reverse. It
Speaker 3: is possible, or is it possible? He saying the Braves
Speaker 3: could lose out to the Mets and still make the playoffs. Well,
Speaker 3: it's technically possible, but I wouldn't worry about the Diamondbacks.
Speaker 3: Diamonbacks have a three game set against the Nationals. I'm
Speaker 3: more worried about the Royals in the American League losing
Speaker 3: to the losing out to the Twins more than I
Speaker 3: am the Diamondbacks losing out to me it's the Braves
Speaker 3: versus Mets binary James Sutt not gonna lie pretty happy
Speaker 3: for once that I'm not heading to Vegas to watch
Speaker 3: the Browns of the race. I guess I'll just have
Speaker 3: to deal with F one construction. That looking any better
Speaker 3: this year? Well it's not as long, right, yeah, but
Speaker 3: it's not any better. Like I mean, there's some mornings
Speaker 3: I leave my building and they're like, you may not
Speaker 3: turn south. You can only go north or the opposite.
Speaker 3: But I go, but I work north and they're only
Speaker 3: sending me south. They're like, too bad. F one rules
Speaker 3: the city.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's bad.
Speaker 3: Chance, Copper Pott, are you serious about the Patty rushing prop?
Speaker 3: I had a boosting four leg same game parlay, and
Speaker 3: I assumed the under was dead. This explains the extra
Speaker 3: chips my account in my account this morning I had
Speaker 3: not investigated yet. Happy Monday morning. There you go, Chance,
Speaker 3: you got a chance, Copper Pott. And then from Hank Savings,
Speaker 3: he said, I'm gonna say that someone is mismanaging the game.
Speaker 3: When both the Chiefs and Falcons are trying to call
Speaker 3: time out, that's a pretty good assumption that somebody must
Speaker 3: be mismanaged. In the case it was Raheem Morris. This
Speaker 3: is from let me read a couple more of This
Speaker 3: is from from John Mulla, who says, Duriel Harris Tony
Speaker 3: Nathan my favorite in gameplay of all time. Thanks for
Speaker 3: the mention.
Speaker 1: I needed that reminder as a completely distraught Finns fan
Speaker 1: that was at the game yesterday.
Speaker 3: That one went over your head, didn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Oh, this was the maybe the most famous football game
Speaker 3: of the entire decade. I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 3: it's the most football game of a decade, but it's
Speaker 3: one of the greatest games in NFL history. Chargers Dolphins
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. I believe it was a playoff game
Speaker 3: in Miami. Is the Kellen Winslow game for the Chargers.
Speaker 3: He was just like he had to be carried off
Speaker 3: the field. He was doing everything. But one of the
Speaker 3: greatest plays in the game was the Dolphins had a
Speaker 3: hook and lateral and da Dariel Harris, who flipped it
Speaker 3: back to Tony Nathan, who untouched ball in the air
Speaker 3: went to the end zone. So that Detroit Lions play
Speaker 3: reminded one of them.
Speaker 1: It is wild. Would you see it executed like that? Though?
Speaker 1: Where you're like, why don't you do this more often?
Speaker 1: Like that's it, Jamier Gibbs a special weapon. You should
Speaker 1: try to do this.
Speaker 3: Tom Stephen Tennessee consistently overvalue this year auto bet against
Speaker 3: until lines reflect negative impact of Levis. Listen, That's what
Speaker 3: I was saying. Like I of the game so far,
Speaker 3: I loved I like Denver getting the points against the Jets.
Speaker 3: I can't even remember what the second one was. But
Speaker 3: I like the Dolphins, Like I don't as bad as
Speaker 3: the Dolphins look with Skylert Thompson and we don't know
Speaker 3: what his status is heading into next. Well, you liked
Speaker 3: the Broncos, I said, the Broncos, there's one in between.
Speaker 3: I like the Dolphins. If you're if that's a pick him,
Speaker 3: I'll take the Dolphins at home. They still got the
Speaker 3: better talent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the I mean I think the I
Speaker 1: was on Titans yesterday with Buddy and that I think
Speaker 1: the most surprising part of that was just this was
Speaker 1: a team we thought could be okay stopping the run,
Speaker 1: and Green Bay still went in there and just did
Speaker 1: whatever they wanted against all. So, even when you're you're
Speaker 1: searching for positives about some of these bad teams. I'm
Speaker 1: with you on Tennessee. I don't know what you're what
Speaker 1: positive you're pulling out from that team right now.
Speaker 3: I like Baltimore against Buffalo was the best at the
Speaker 3: one Bainbridge dewise where his scheme's the favorite. My Far
Speaker 3: Away Place still has him at plus two plus two
Speaker 3: ninety stale line. I should jump on three question marks.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you should minus one forty five at DraftKings grants,
Speaker 1: betting X factors. This is that golf no play due
Speaker 1: to two minute warning whistle was so bad. Same with
Speaker 1: a lot of the bad PI calls and the Anthony
Speaker 1: Richardson forward progress whistle that took a Bear's interception away.
Speaker 1: Rough weekend for the Zebras. We have what more money
Speaker 1: I get? Yeah we do. Pi's were bad. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: pi's were bad. With one of the part about that
Speaker 1: two minute warning. The other word that's really weird about
Speaker 1: that is how often like it's usually pretty clear whether
Speaker 1: the offense is trying to snap the ball before it
Speaker 1: or they're just gonna let it, let the clock run,
Speaker 1: let the whistle brow right. It didn't really seem like
Speaker 1: they had a planted place there. It's just as betters,
Speaker 1: think about the number of times you've been on the
Speaker 1: wrong end of the clock going to the two man warning,
Speaker 1: there's an extra beat, they don't call anything, They let
Speaker 1: the play go and you get crushed. It's so weird
Speaker 1: and like Golf. Golf looked like he was like, what
Speaker 1: are we doing here? It clearly ran out. It was
Speaker 1: like what do you think? Like what? I was so confused? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, eight fifty. This would a little later on
Speaker 1: Monday night Seahawks at Lions.
Speaker 3: That's the second of the two Monday night games. That's
Speaker 3: that's a good game. Three and oho Seahawks two and
Speaker 3: one Lions. Seattle held Miami. As I mentioned, two inner
Speaker 3: five total yards. Miami was one of twelve on third downs.
Speaker 3: By the way, that Seattle Miami game. Also, here's the
Speaker 3: other thing about the Zebras you know, meny penalties were
Speaker 3: called in that game. Twenty two total penalties for one
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy seven yards, eleven penalties for both the
Speaker 3: Seahawks and the Dolphins. Detroit beating Arizona. As we mentioned,
Speaker 3: Golf eighteen of twenty three for one to ninety nine,
Speaker 3: two touchdowns, one pick, zack twice Montgomery twenty three for
Speaker 3: one oh five In a touch, I will say Detroit
Speaker 3: minus four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're pretty much all over four four and a
Speaker 1: half A lot of four and a halves out there
Speaker 1: now sounds about right, Okay, so I like it. I
Speaker 1: don't know where else you're setting this line, right, it's
Speaker 1: got to be in that dead man area. Well, it's
Speaker 1: gotta be more than three. Let's put it that way. Okay.
Speaker 3: Tonight doubleheader and again staggered, not one finishing and then
Speaker 3: the other starting.
Speaker 1: It's what is it? A is a ninety? It's been
Speaker 1: a difference seven thirty eastern. I think it's seven thirty
Speaker 1: at eight.
Speaker 3: To fifteen, Okay, so forty five minute difference between the
Speaker 3: kickoff times. And remember it's the early start for Jacksonville
Speaker 3: at Buffalo seven thirty eastern from high Mark Stadium in Buffalo,
Speaker 3: where the Bills are five and a half point favorites.
Speaker 3: I have the Jags plus the points, largely because I'm
Speaker 3: just doing a little bit of transitive property here, which
Speaker 3: is Buffalo probably shouldn't have beaten Arizona. They were down
Speaker 3: seventeen to three. Kyler completely didn't see a wide open
Speaker 3: Marvin Harrison junior late they probably lose to Arizona if
Speaker 3: he does. And then Buffalo beats a Miami team that
Speaker 3: didn't have to of for much of that game. So yeah,
Speaker 3: they deserve credit for that win. But I'm just not
Speaker 3: going as crazy on the Bills as others are. I
Speaker 3: know you love Josh Allen more than any human on Earth.
Speaker 3: And then Jacksonville could I mean Jacksonville could beat too,
Speaker 3: and oh but they're not.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: That weird turnaround against the Dolphins where they were headed
Speaker 3: into the end zone and I think it was at
Speaker 3: TN who fumbled it, and then the next play was
Speaker 3: eighty yards a Tyreek and then they had all chances
Speaker 3: in the world against Cleveland, couldn't do it. So you
Speaker 3: give me five and a half based on that, I'll
Speaker 3: take the points.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Results wise, I think this is one of the
Speaker 1: least impressive starts so far. We talked about like Packers
Speaker 1: and Vikings. Jaguars. Man, they've been rough so far. I
Speaker 1: got nothing in this game. Like you said, it's really
Speaker 1: just Josh Allen versus Jaguars. I don't really know that
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot more to this Buffalo team. I
Speaker 1: going against them, but I'll just be watching this one,
Speaker 1: hopefully it's fun. Oh.
Speaker 3: By the way, Nik Rules for Society reminding me that
Speaker 3: I like the Rams. I do like the Rams best
Speaker 3: on that number I had against the Bears, because I
Speaker 3: think the Rams should be favorite, not the Bears. But
Speaker 3: the Rams are so banged snick that I just I
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm racing to bet that one, but
Speaker 3: thank you for the reminder on that. And then it's
Speaker 3: Washington at Cincinnati. Me and a whole bunch of other
Speaker 3: folks have Cincinnati and Survivor. And again, let me just repeat,
Speaker 3: because where we started the show in circa, there are
Speaker 3: only sixteen hundred and thirty entries left headed into the night.
Speaker 3: By the way, the most are on the Bang, but
Speaker 3: there's a good handful on the bills as well. There's
Speaker 3: seventy one entries on the Bills, yep, but there's nearly
Speaker 3: a thousand on the Bengals. But out of the fourteen
Speaker 3: two hundred and sixty six entries that started, there are
Speaker 3: only sixteen hundred and thirty left and we're not done
Speaker 3: with week three yet. So I love Cincinnati. I have
Speaker 3: since I bought the Cincinnati down to seven earlier in
Speaker 3: the week. I like them, and Survivor I like him straight.
Speaker 3: I have them in a teaser leg with Minnesota, as
Speaker 3: we talked about last last week. I just don't think
Speaker 3: the Bengals are going to go zero and three against
Speaker 3: this outfit. The Commander's defense is awful. Jayden Daniels has
Speaker 3: been good through two weeks. He hasn't been tremendous, but
Speaker 3: he's done a lot with his legs. As I said,
Speaker 3: he still hasn't met Terry McLaurin. The two should probably
Speaker 3: meet each other that line.
Speaker 1: But I just think Joe Burrow and the Bengals are
Speaker 1: gonna They're gonna out Washington is so overmatched in this game.
Speaker 1: Talent wise, Yeah, you would think so. T Higgins right
Speaker 1: back in action. This we the Ccinnati team that is big.
Speaker 1: I have them tied into two teasers right now, one
Speaker 1: with Buffalo for next week. So if anybody is looking
Speaker 1: for something tonight, that is the way I approach them.
Speaker 1: Would expect points would kind of lean over in this
Speaker 1: game as well. Forty six and a half. I think
Speaker 1: I Commanders throw up some points tonight, but I think,
Speaker 1: like you said, just talent wise, they're gonna be a
Speaker 1: little overmatched.
Speaker 3: You know what I did mention about this Circus Survivor.
Speaker 3: You know the intrinsic value of each entry. Currently, each
Speaker 3: remaining entry in Circus Survivor is now and we're not
Speaker 3: done with Week three, eight thousand, seven hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: two dollars and fifteen I'm sorry now by the way,
Speaker 3: now we're at the point of season where I have
Speaker 3: to know that ninety percent of the people are already
Speaker 3: out of Survivor. Did ninety percent of the people want
Speaker 3: to hear us talking about Survivor?
Speaker 1: This is like the this is for other people that
Speaker 1: said it. The Panthers bets cash out just like if
Speaker 1: I was a survivor, still cash out for like a
Speaker 1: grand or something, right now, that's right, the Carolina bets
Speaker 1: are I'm glad we got. We went from one twenty
Speaker 1: five to one to fifteen to one in one week.
Speaker 1: But if they're often you four times just making a
Speaker 1: four to one take somebody, that's right, why not?
Speaker 3: But then they have one twenty five.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the first cash but they have the
Speaker 1: problem is then you have to fight your human brain.
Speaker 1: What if they win and I lost out on a
Speaker 1: undred twenty five to one,