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They pay big money to get the big 16 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 5: games on TV. And the problem though, is that, as 17 00:00:56,400 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 5: you alluded to, Victor Winbinyama is already questionable for tonight's 18 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 5: game because he couldn't even finish last night's game, a 19 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 5: game they could have won against Memphis. They lose by 20 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,759 Speaker 5: one point because he was on a strict minutes restrict 21 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 5: and he dominated in twenty one minutes, but he missed 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 5: crunch time the Spurs lose, and now he's questionable to 23 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 5: play tonight against the Lakers back to back game because 24 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 5: he's now dealing with what they're calling a hyper extended 25 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 5: knee recovery. 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:25,199 Speaker 4: So we'll see what's. 27 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 6: Up with that. And that's what makes this crazy. 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 1: Is that what makes him who we think he is, 29 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: what makes him the unicorn. 30 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 6: His gift is also his curse, and me and Rob 31 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 6: to talked about it. 32 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: His gift is that we've never seen someone this tall, 33 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: this big, be this mobile, this agile, this talented, this 34 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: hungry and want to win. But it's the same challenge 35 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 1: why people are worried, where people are skeptical, and you 36 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: and I talked about it. I want to say last year, 37 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: just how far can he go? How long will he 38 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: be able to play with this body, with this bill. 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: You and I were watching the game yesterday off here, 40 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,920 Speaker 1: I said, man, look at the way he falls. Normal 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: bumps and falls in the NBA happens thirty five times again. 42 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 6: Aim. His looks bad. 43 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: It looks challenging because he's how he has to fall, 44 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: being so big. 45 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 6: So that's what makes this interesting. 46 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 1: And you look at the team he's playing for, a 47 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: team a very conservative. The team who started to load 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 1: management with the Spurs, and for them to be having 49 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: to load management, Pop. 50 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 4: Should be known for not the five championship. 51 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:19,119 Speaker 6: Don't do that. 52 00:02:19,520 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 4: I'm serious. 53 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 6: How are you going to now? 54 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: We almost now I gotta argue with you about never 55 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: mind put Wenby to decide. No, But he's on a 56 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: team that's already conservative, Rob, he's on a team that 57 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: already is gonna load management, be precautious, and he's already 58 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: had to do this. They had to do it earlier, 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: put them on minute restrictions. Now they're putting on minute 60 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: restrictions again. And I worry Rob that when my daughters 61 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: get older, or you know, some of your illegitimate kids 62 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: come up, finally. 63 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 4: What they're legitimate if they're my kid. 64 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 6: Okay, that we're gonna have to talk about one more 65 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:54,079 Speaker 6: than a. 66 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: Marriage, is that we know that they'll pop about the blue. 67 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: They'd be like thirty three years old, that we'll have 68 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: to explain the story of Winby. That he'll be rewardless 69 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 1: because you know, you got to play the sixty sixty 70 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: six sixty five games now and I don't know if 71 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: he's ever gonna play that, So will I. 72 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 4: Said this in the beginning. 73 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 3: I said, the reason that he won't be what people 74 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,239 Speaker 3: are saying, which is the greatest of all time, right, 75 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: Like people painted that he's going to be this greatest 76 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 3: of all time player, but he won't be able to 77 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 3: stay healthy for the whole time. Nobody in the United 78 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: States of America, nobody. 79 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 4: Everyone knows. It's whims. 80 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: Everybody knows. I love Wimby, but I'm not kidding myself. 81 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: When you're walking around on stilt, it's almost impossible to 82 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: stay healthy. 83 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 4: He's not gonna be able to do it. We're already here. 84 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: You don't get better and stronger as you get you're older. 85 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: And I know he's only like, what twenty three or something? 86 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 3: Look at it, dad, is he twenty one or twenty three? 87 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 3: I mean he's young. 88 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 6: You want to split the difference, let's see, but ahead, 89 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 6: I'm looking. 90 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 3: But as you get older, he's twenty fight metal, I said, 91 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: twenty one or twenty three. 92 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: But as you get older, you know what I mean. 93 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 4: It's just not the other way around. 94 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 3: It's not like, oh yeah, when he's thirty, he's gonna 95 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 3: be going good. No, if you if you're injury prone 96 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 3: now in your twenties, and we saw that with Zion Williamson. 97 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 3: Oh he was getting hurt in college. He's been nothing 98 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 3: but getting hurt his entire career. He's a young guy, 99 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 3: he's not old. 100 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: The only thing I would wonder to your point about 101 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: just you know, you get older. Can they strengthen him? 102 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Meaning it might not last, It might not last his 103 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: whole career. Did you see what his whole career? Just 104 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: compare Windy to shout Out to Rest in Peace Maneut 105 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: and Shotut to ball Bull. 106 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 6: But no, this is a little different. 107 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 3: This is first of all, when they named him bull bull, 108 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 3: like like there wasn't a name and they just said. 109 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 6: Let's just do that or that might be something you 110 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 6: know culturally they do. 111 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, how many George rest in peace 112 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: of Great George Foreman? There's like nine George Foremans. You 113 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: didn't think at a certain point he was gonna be 114 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: mix it out? That's to Joe Foreman. He was like, no, just. 115 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 6: George, what's you gonna do this time? George? 116 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:13,040 Speaker 4: What'd you go to? George? 117 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 6: I think he has a daughter or too, like Georgie Georgia. 118 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 7: Yeah, but they should but they should have named him 119 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 7: b O w L Bowl Bowl b O L Okay 120 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 7: right now, Oh I'm saying, But what I'm saying, he's different, 121 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 7: and I wonder if they can strengthen his legs, strengthen 122 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 7: his core, if they can actually work on and say, look, 123 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 7: when you are freakish and we're not guaranteeing you ten 124 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 7: to fifteen years of this, but can we have a 125 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 7: four to five year period? 126 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 6: Well, and let me flip the question. 127 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: Two, are we going to be okay with an eight 128 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 1: year run of winby No, that all we got was 129 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: fifty five games save those eight years. But it's incredible 130 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: twenty one minutes last night, but thirty points, highest scoring 131 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: the game, you know, And just a. 132 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 3: No, because ultimately he was supposed to be that guy, 133 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 3: that unicorn. 134 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,359 Speaker 6: Can you be that? No doubt, no glong like without 135 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 6: the eighty or. 136 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 3: No, you can't do that, and you can't do it 137 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 3: if your career is abbreviated like people were expecting, like 138 00:06:06,120 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 3: all these numbers, you should be the all time leading scorer. 139 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 4: Nobody can stop him, you know what I mean. 140 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: You just said he's twenty two years old, you know, 141 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 3: like the block record. You know, you're talking about a 142 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 3: girl being around the block. I'm just telling you I 143 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: met driving the car around the block. 144 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I bet what y'all doing out there in Queens. 145 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,799 Speaker 1: I'm disrespecting the Queens like that just because you're from Queens. 146 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 1: You gotta relax or No, allright, no, no, third base? 147 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 6: What is it? 148 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 4: No? No, what is the group? I'm just uh on 149 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 4: Brooklyn Queens? Oh my god? Why am I? They made 150 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 4: third base? Brooklyn Queens. 151 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: You're talking about beastie boys. You're talking about No I remember, 152 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: all right, but you get my point. I do get 153 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 1: your point. But that's where we're gonna think. He's gonna 154 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: put us in a position rob But we're gonna have 155 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: to tell the story of winby kind of like a 156 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 1: Kawhi Leonard. Some might say, hey, man of the generation 157 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: of thirty five years, Kawhi Leonard was a top five 158 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: player the last forty years. 159 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 6: Some of else might be like third base, that. 160 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 4: Was That's what I said. They said, your first third base. 161 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: Because the story of Kawhi, right is like man when 162 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: he was healthy, dude, he was the only thing about 163 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: Kawhi you could say all that, but but he won 164 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: two you know, he won two and one two. 165 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 3: Uh final, but that puts him on a plateau. I 166 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: don't know if he's going to be able to get that. 167 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: I really don't like the longer you go. And this 168 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 3: is like, because you should be healthiest now. And and 169 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 3: every time these kids now talk about it now, every 170 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: time it falls down, I'm my god, like, you know, 171 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 3: you gotta tell you, look, there's something broken. 172 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 4: There's something happening here. 173 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: And as you saw that early in the season, teams 174 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: were doing that not trying to hurt him, not trying 175 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: to hurt him, but bodying him up, you know, knocking 176 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: him over for a little hip on him. Listen, if 177 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: he played in the eighties and nineties, that would have 178 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: been regular routine. You're coming through the middle, You're gonna 179 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: at this hitcheck. So I know the league is praying 180 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: that he stays healthy. The league is praying that they 181 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: find a way that you know, just if he can 182 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: give us sixty five games for eight to ten years, 183 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: so we can have this amazing unicorn in the NBA 184 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: becoming a universal star. 185 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 6: You know, you can have your guy. 186 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: Because Lebron is aging out, Steph's aging out, Katie's aging out, 187 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Westbrook Hard and all these guys kawhi at some he's 188 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: kind of a few more years. 189 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 6: But you get my point. 190 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: You want to have Winby be the face of this league, 191 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: but you can't be the face win availability, which is 192 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the best ability he doesn't have. 193 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: He's missed fourteen games right cup of injury, and entering 194 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 3: the season, Winby has missed forty seven out of his 195 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,680 Speaker 3: possible one sixty four during his career. 196 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 4: Those are that's a third, that's a third of the game. 197 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: Are you looking at it? MB two point zero or 198 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: what healthy's an MVP candidate? 199 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 6: We know that? 200 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 3: And what does MB one in MVP? Barely that they 201 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 3: gave that was a parting gift? 202 00:08:56,920 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 4: All right? 203 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 3: Eight seven, seven ninety nine on Fox Even seven nine 204 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: nine six sixty three sixty nine on This Worship Wednesday Wednesday? 205 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 3: Will Wemby's health issues prevent him from reaching his ceiling 206 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 3: in the n b A or do you think this 207 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 3: is just a blip and he'll eventually get over this? 208 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 3: Or you concerned long term Wemby, who everybody loves, just 209 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 3: won't be everyone. Everyone knows, Twim, Please stay healthy. 210 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 4: We gotta do another one every day. Everyone knows it, Twim. 211 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 4: Everyone knows he's at the hospital. 212 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 6: Oh man, did you say? Everyone said d m. 213 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: P every Yeah, here we go. Ready one more time? 214 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 4: Everyone we got we gotta redo it all. I feel 215 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 4: bad every time he doesn't plan. Everyone knows on more time. 216 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: Okay, just want to for sure, you guys, let me 217 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 2: countdowns on your card. 218 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:02,199 Speaker 1: Three what everyone knows the NP He ain't playing, dang y. 219 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 220 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: the nation. 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But right now, Aaron Torres, 229 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio Weekend, hosts, host of the Aeron Torres Podcast. 230 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: Aaron Underscore Torres on X joins us. Now, what's up, Aaron? 231 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 1: What's happening? 232 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 8: What's up? 233 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 2: Fellas? 234 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 6: How we're doing We're doing great, brother doing well? Man 235 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 6: doing well? 236 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: Sit here next to Rob, who you know, we disagree 237 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: on just about everything, and one of the things we 238 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: do disagree on, he's out on Indiana's I'm out, Saron. 239 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: He's telling them this ain't a underdog store. I said, 240 00:10:59,400 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: what do you mean it's when the last time this 241 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: ain't basketball? 242 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 3: Hey, what underdog story happens when Mark Cuban is bankrolling it? 243 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: This is not an underdog story. Everybody is Indiana of 244 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 3: the old days. 245 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 4: Aaron. 246 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: I'm not going to make this a warm, fuzzy story 247 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: because they brought their way to the top. They're playing 248 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 3: within the rules, don't get me wrong. But to compare 249 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 3: this to like, oh, the old Indiana wasn't even involved 250 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 3: in the in the football school, When you're paying your 251 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 3: quarterback two million and your coaching staff twenty million, and 252 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 3: Mark Cuban is writing big checks and they're paying people, 253 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: they should be competing. 254 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 4: What am I missing? 255 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 8: Well, what you're missing is a few things. One, everybody 256 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 8: in the Big ten has money, so they're not I 257 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 8: would you know. They are spending what they need to 258 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 8: to be competitive. But there are a lot of teams 259 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 8: that spent a lot more money that had a lot 260 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 8: of a lot less on the field. 261 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 3: They're top ten though aaron top ten in money spend, 262 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: why shouldn't they be in of college football playoffs? 263 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 8: Well, the other thing that I was going to say, 264 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 8: as far as bought their way to the top, I 265 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,680 Speaker 8: would fundamentally disagree with that. And I'll tell you why. 266 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 8: Elijah Surat, who's their best receiver, was a no star 267 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 8: recruit who began his career with Kurtzignetti at James Madison. 268 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 8: D'Angelo Ponds who shut down Jeremiah Smith and you know 269 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 8: in the Big Ten Championship game and whoever on Alabama 270 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 8: and the Rose Bowl is a player who started his 271 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 8: career at James Madison. So you know what I think 272 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 8: it is is, besides the greatest turnaround in the history 273 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 8: of college football, besides one of the great stories in 274 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 8: the history of college football, what I think Kurtseignetti actually 275 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 8: isn't getting enough credit for is his talent identification and 276 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 8: his talent development. I mean, even Mendoza, you could say 277 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 8: whatever you want about how much he's getting paid. Rob, 278 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 8: I would love for you to find me the mock 279 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 8: draft in August that had him as the number one, 280 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 8: number two one. 281 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 4: Okay, here it is you're very nice. 282 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: Okay, that's good guy who wasn't on the mock draft, 283 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 3: wasn't anywhere around. 284 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: He gets you're paying him two million dollars. 285 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 3: Why is he not making three hundred thousand because nobody 286 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 3: knew who he was and he wasn't holly touted. He's 287 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 3: making two million dollars because they knew what they have 288 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: because he's a really, really good player, whether the scouts 289 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 3: thoughts or not. And my only issue is it can't 290 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 3: be the greatest turnaround when they're one of the big boys. 291 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 4: Indiana is one of. 292 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: The big Indiana's one of the big boys. Why Miami 293 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: at turning around all of a sudden. Why all I'm 294 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: saying is you're sexist. That with harsh Manning and all 295 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: that money in the facility, you. 296 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 3: Can spend a lot of money doesn't automatically mean you 297 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 3: you're gonna win. 298 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 4: And that's why I'm rooting against Indiana. But but I'm. 299 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: Saying years he turned around, al did nothing for a 300 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: hundred years. 301 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: But I'm saying, all right, Aaron, the Mets spent the 302 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: most money in baseball last year. 303 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: They don't even make the playoffs. Nobody would have heard 304 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: about baseball. 305 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,560 Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is they when you have spent 306 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:00,560 Speaker 3: the money, if you told me they were in the 307 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: bottom fifty of money spent and they were where they are, 308 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 3: I'm all with you, I'm I'm in, I'm all into 309 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: the this is woman, this team is a havel wos 310 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 3: not a have not aaron. 311 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 8: We all I jump into and say, really quick is 312 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 8: you know the Mets are a great example of even 313 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 8: if you have the money, you saw up to allocate 314 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 8: it appropriately. But I do understand your point that if 315 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 8: if if the money is being spent, they can't be 316 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 8: an underdog. I would just disagree. Okay, we have one 317 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 8: hundred year track record. 318 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 3: You know, we have a hundred spent money in those 319 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 3: one hundred years. That's the difference they did. 320 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 8: But I think I think to Kelvin's point though, I mean, dude, listen, 321 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 8: you're mister Detroit. How much money did Michigan spend on 322 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 8: that rosteron to go nine to three and get boat 323 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 8: raced by Ohio State? So you know, you know, I 324 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 8: still think it's the greatest turnaround I've ever seen. And 325 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 8: you could sit there and say, well, you know, anyone 326 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 8: can do it in this era, no one else is 327 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 8: doing it, and as a matter of fact, it's the 328 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 8: exact opposite what we saw in the Rose Bowl of 329 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 8: Kalen Debor inherited the most talented roster in college football 330 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 8: heads back to back forth within. 331 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 3: It doesn't mean automatically you're going to win, but they're 332 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: in the mix because they have the talent. They have 333 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 3: a twenty million dollar coaching staff, right, James. 334 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 6: Madison students, This ain't a law This ain't a law school. 335 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 4: Look at their payroll. 336 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: If you told me Mark Cuban didn't give the school 337 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 3: a dime, maybe well into phil into chazillion dollars every 338 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 3: year in Oregon hasn't been able to do that. 339 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 2: We want. 340 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: We agreed to here will he and I will argue 341 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 1: about this later. Let me go here with you, Aaron Washington. 342 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Of course they're looking at pursue legal avenues when it 343 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: comes to their quarterback, Demon Williams, who said. 344 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 4: He was good, he was good on san Fron or something. 345 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: He was he had a good. Yeah, I can't believe 346 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: he's still in college. I can't believe in college after 347 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: all these years. The transporter that COVID year, right, that 348 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: COVID year got kids going crazy now, But let me 349 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: ask you this. So he said he resigns with them 350 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: and he's gonna stay there. Then he puts on social 351 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: media that he's getting ready to go into transit portal. 352 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: Now it's all legalities and all that. 353 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 6: What do you make it? 354 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: Just a story in general, and then the larger conversation 355 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: about the transfer portal and how it is just kind 356 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 1: of change the game, in my opinion, not often in 357 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: a positive way. 358 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, there's a lot of layers to it. I'll try 359 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 8: to be as as quick as I can, you know, listen, 360 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 8: So there's so many layers to it. So look, with 361 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 8: the portal, if you don't want to trans or if 362 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 8: you are considering transfer, just don't sign a legally binding document. 363 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 8: And you know, and I know, and this is kind 364 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 8: of boring semantics, but you know, they're not employees, and 365 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 8: it's like you're still signing a legally binding contract, a 366 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 8: services render contract that you're going to provide services to 367 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 8: the university and they're going to pay you in return. 368 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 8: And so listen. The thing that I've learned is if 369 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 8: this kid wants to play somewhere else, I believe he 370 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 8: will be playing somewhere else in college football next year. 371 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 8: But I would also argue, to your point, Calvin, if 372 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 8: you hate where this thing either is or continues to go, 373 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 8: you should be on team Washington here of saying, maybe 374 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 8: there is no way legally to keep him off the 375 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 8: field wherever he wants to go, but they should be 376 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 8: fighting a tooth and nail, because it's one thing to 377 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 8: have every single player be a free agent every single year, 378 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 8: but it's another thing to have a player be a 379 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 8: free agent, sign a binding contract and then just say 380 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 8: it doesn't matter and so we'll see what happens. I 381 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 8: would largely just say, you know, these kids don't want 382 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 8: to be paid like professionals. They've earned the right to 383 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 8: be paid for the product on the field, but they 384 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 8: need to be treated like professionals too. And this is 385 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 8: one where I hope there's a way that Washington wins 386 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 8: this whatever they deem to be a win. But I 387 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:49,360 Speaker 8: also know, having covered college sports laws, I have somebody's 388 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 8: gonna find a way around this to get him on 389 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 8: the field in twenty twenty six. 390 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 3: But I also read, and I wish I could find 391 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: where I was on it was a college football writer, 392 00:17:58,359 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 3: and maybe you can help me. 393 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 4: They have language in some of these contracts. 394 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: Where the schools can void out the contract at any time, 395 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 3: under any circumstance if they want to. So here's my point. 396 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: It can't be just one sided that if a school 397 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,640 Speaker 3: wants to get off of a kid right and not 398 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 3: pay for whatever reason. And you know this goes with scholarships. 399 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,879 Speaker 3: Everybody think you. 400 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: Get a full ride, They got a four year rid scholarship. 401 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 3: No, it's not. If Tom Mizzel decides he don't want 402 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: you no more to want you on a team, they'll 403 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: either try to get you to quit or make it 404 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 3: so bad that you will quit, you know. 405 00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 4: What I mean. 406 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:38,679 Speaker 3: So that's all only My only issue is it can't 407 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 3: be one sided. 408 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 8: No, I agree, And I'll just be quick on this 409 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,120 Speaker 8: is I will say it's the advent of the nil era. 410 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 8: Even just three four years ago, you used to hear 411 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 8: all sorts of horror stories like that. I think most players, 412 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 8: you know, because you had a friend reading it over 413 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 8: a family friend whatever, and you know Truck Apparently I've 414 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 8: had people reach out to me like have you heard 415 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 8: of this? Have you heard that? I'm like, get a 416 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 8: real lawyer. And so to your point, Rob. I think 417 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 8: most of these athletes, now, especially the high profile ones, 418 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 8: have real representation. When I say that, people that have 419 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 8: been part of this, that have negotiated contracts, things of 420 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 8: that nature. So you know, that's something that an agent 421 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 8: should be flagging right away and saying, don't sign that. 422 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 8: And so you know, I don't know if that applies 423 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 8: to the Mon Williams specifically, but I would hope that 424 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 8: you know, you're paying an agent of commission, you're paying 425 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 8: an agent of fee. I'd hope that they would flag 426 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,439 Speaker 8: that right away, because I agree it's nonsense. You know, 427 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 8: the contract's got to work both ways, and that's what 428 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 8: you have an agent for. 429 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: Hey, Aaron, of course, Erin Torres is on with the 430 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,480 Speaker 1: odd couple of Fox Sports Radio weekend host hosts of 431 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 1: the Aeron Tooris podcast. 432 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 6: Let's look real quick some of these games we can expect. 433 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: Tomorrow you got the uh rebol Fest Fiesta Bowl, you 434 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: got Miami versus Old miss And then on Friday you 435 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 1: got the Chick fil A Peach Bowl Indiana verse number 436 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 1: five Oregon. Just just a couple of those. What are 437 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: you expecting out of those two games? 438 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,160 Speaker 8: Yeah? You know, my Miami has been unbelievable. The one 439 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 8: thing I will say the offense, and they've played two 440 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 8: great defenses, but the offense, really, especially the passing game, 441 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 8: really hasn't been all that effective. And I look at 442 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 8: Old Miss, they can just put points on you so 443 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 8: quick that I know Ole Miss is actually the underdog. 444 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 8: I actually do like them to win. Most of those players, 445 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 8: the important players have basically said like, we're not following 446 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 8: link Kiffin, We're committed to this school, We're committed to 447 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 8: this team. And it feels like this run has really 448 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 8: rallied them. And then the second game, you know, Rob 449 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 8: Parkers feel good Indiana Hoosiers. I will just say that, 450 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 8: you know, I think when I look at Oregon, I 451 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 8: think they're actually kind of a year ahead of schedule. 452 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 8: They had Dylan Gabriel, the whole team was really built 453 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 8: for last year. I actually think they're a little bit 454 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 8: ahead of schedule. I think again to the point that 455 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 8: Rob has brought up Indiana as a veteran team and 456 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 8: older team, fourth to six year guys. I think they'll 457 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 8: be good after this year, but I think they're kind 458 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 8: of built for this year. They already won in Eugene, 459 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 8: and I expect them to win again on Friday night 460 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 8: in Atlanta. 461 00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 6: All right, there you have it, Aaron Man, appreciate you 462 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 6: as always. Stay well. 463 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 3: Note there's always going to be pushed back on the 464 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 3: Odd Couple. 465 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 8: Of course. Well listen, I just you know, when Indiana 466 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 8: win the championship, I'm gonna be sure to get you 467 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 8: a nice Indiana National Champion's T shirt or something. I 468 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 8: know how you like your T shirt to match your shoes. 469 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 8: I know you got some nice red Air Force one, 470 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 8: so we'll get you a nice red Indiana Championship T 471 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 8: shirt for you. 472 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 4: That sounds good. I need something as a bath. Matt, 473 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: appreciate it. 474 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 6: My gush, ridiculous. 475 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 4: Thank you. 476 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Odd Couple 477 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: with Rob Parker and kelvin Washington weekdays at seven pm Eastern, 478 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 2: four pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 479 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: We touched on it just a little bit about Shador 480 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 1: Sanders and how you have The general manager will come 481 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: out and basically say, look, we're not committing to anyone 482 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: right now. That's an very important position to quarterback, and 483 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: we've got away our options and we got to try 484 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,520 Speaker 1: to get that position right. And a lot of people 485 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: start to question, you know, Hasha Door done enough? Has 486 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: he done enough to be considered QB one? Did he 487 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: not should even just completely be disregarded as well? And 488 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,239 Speaker 1: then you and I have talked about what do they 489 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: do with Deshaun Watson, who's still in the payroll, who's 490 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 1: gonna be huge on the salary cap next year, as 491 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: they of course guaranteed him two hundred thirty million dollars 492 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. So what do the Browns 493 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: do moving forward the quarterback position? And that is a 494 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: conversation and general manager Parker You're saying, what. 495 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 3: It's wide, there's no way you're bringing him back. Rob 496 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 3: g You have the stats like like for Brown's court, 497 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: like the stats are really really baze the lowest. 498 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 6: It's a lot of stuff. He's had the. 499 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: Lowest QBR in those I think it's six starts in 500 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: Brown's history. Wasn't great eight touchdown, ten interceptions on the season. 501 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, so you know they. 502 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: Weren't out eye popping numbers in favor at times. 503 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 6: For sure. I look, i gotta look up. I'm gonna look 504 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 6: up there. 505 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,639 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say this, Come on, the only people 506 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 3: who looked at trade Door's rookie season and think you 507 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 3: a franchise quarterback or just fanboys, nobody who is honest 508 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 3: to take a look at what he was able to 509 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 3: do and that doesn't mean he can't play or there's 510 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: not a spot for him. 511 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 4: That's not what I'm talking about. 512 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: I'm talking about where you say we got our guy, 513 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 3: Deshan Watson's going to be the starting quarterback until he's 514 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 3: not the starting quarterback. 515 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 4: You disagree with that. 516 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 6: It's just too much money. 517 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 4: It's too much money, And. 518 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: I want to disagree with you just based off how 519 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: he played the last time he saw him. 520 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 3: But I'm saying it's it's the money and should do it. 521 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 3: Didn't do enough to where there's no question in your 522 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: mind at the end of the year he was a 523 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 3: turnover machine. Rob G, you have the numbers right, it's 524 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: like the lowest quarterback rating of Anny Browns quarterback. 525 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 4: All right, what rob G has the exhibit A, B 526 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 4: and C. 527 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 1: They picked six. By the way I was just looking 528 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: at they plick sick. They pick six. 529 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 5: Well, first off, more interceptions than touchdowns ten and seven 530 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 5: despite only playing half that was eight. 531 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 6: Let me spot that's what ESPN's A's ten seven. 532 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:05,840 Speaker 4: I don't think we're giving him an extra one. 533 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:06,399 Speaker 6: Look that up. 534 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 5: He had the second lowest QBR of any quarterback in 535 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 5: the league with the minimum of six starts, that would 536 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 5: be eighteen point eight, which also happens to be the 537 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 5: worst single season QBR average in Brown's history of any 538 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 5: quarterback with six starts. 539 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 6: It was eight total touchdowns. Why one rushing there? Is 540 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:24,120 Speaker 6: it dead? 541 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:25,199 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah? 542 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 5: But for the Browns who have had quite possibly the 543 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 5: worst quarterback situation you know in NFL his years, yeah, 544 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 5: save Bernie Cosar, Like, they've been horrible, and he is 545 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 5: the gold medal standard for having the lowest kbrs. 546 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 4: Kind of tough. 547 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 6: Well, a couple of things to me. 548 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: One of the things the general manager did discuss, he said, 549 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: do you like the progression of him? And I think 550 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: you're right that Deshaun Watson. Listen, he's owe too much money. 551 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: I don't think he will ever be Deshaun Watson we 552 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 1: saw with the Texans. 553 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 6: I think those days are gone. 554 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: And obviously coming off of two achilles injury, so you 555 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: don't know what he's gonna be when it comes to 556 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, health wise. Obviously he's healthy now, but We'll 557 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: have to wait and see next season. But what's your 558 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: doing things in this couple of things in his favor? 559 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: They mentioned it and I said it throughout the season. 560 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: He is more mobile than we thought he would be 561 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: thought would they be able to translate the NFL And 562 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: he has a bigger arm. He throws the ball down 563 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: the field pretty well as well. So we talked about 564 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: this throughout the offseason into the beginning of the season. 565 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: What does it look like if he gets more ops 566 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: opportunities with the number one? What does it look like 567 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: as they age? They had the youngest starting offensive team. 568 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,520 Speaker 1: You know, all their guys were rookie got including him, 569 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 1: were rookies. So this is just a horrible opportunity for 570 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: any official year. I just you know what de Shaun 571 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: Watson was the last time he. 572 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 4: Played with the brown I got it. 573 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: But still the Browns made the playoffs two years ago, okay, 574 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 3: with an old quarterback. So let's not come on, man, 575 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 3: let not what Let's not make it like they don't 576 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 3: have anything. 577 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: They did make the playoffs, Okay, right. 578 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: What I'm saying is, let's not act like they've been 579 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:57,959 Speaker 1: doing something for the last twenty five years. 580 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 3: But a guy who throws seven touchdow ten picks is 581 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 3: not the guy you're saying your hand in the keys. Okay, 582 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 3: That's all I'm saying is why can't you face it? 583 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,239 Speaker 3: Where are all those shador Sanders guys and and uh 584 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 3: who are random wave? Oh we haven't heard any of them? 585 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 3: Where are you pick up the phone and call the 586 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 3: odd couple and admit you were wrong? 587 00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: Because I speak for myself I'm talking about But that's 588 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: still that's still left to be determined. He was given 589 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: a golden opportunity. Yes, no, that's still left. You can 590 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: say that about Justin Fields now and I would absolutely agree. 591 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: He's had multiple opportunities now right, he's had multiple franchises. 592 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: Justin Fields, I'm referring to. You've been here, You've been there, 593 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: You've been here, you've been giving the keys. The Jets 594 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,159 Speaker 1: believe in you. It hasn't worked. You could say that 595 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 1: about him, but Shador, I don't think we've seen enough 596 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: to call him a bus or not a franchise quarterback. 597 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: We haven't seen enough. We haven't seen a fall off 598 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: season where you're the guy. We haven't seen a. 599 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 4: Full because that's what that's what you practice and let. 600 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 6: Me tell you from you would have said that about 601 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 6: sat Cardo. 602 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 1: Now he's now he has two teams where he blowed 603 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: and now he has a chance to potentially can give. 604 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 3: You four other guys like Geno Smith and other guys 605 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: who aren't all that great. And my only point is 606 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: Jackson Dard and the Giants had a bad year too. 607 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 3: They won the same amount of games as the Browns, right, 608 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,400 Speaker 3: but they know that. 609 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 4: They have a guy that and they know that they. 610 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: Just said that that might be out here looking for 611 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,919 Speaker 1: another guy. They literally just said that they might. 612 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 3: Be looking who played better than those in those two 613 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: if you looked at their their body of work. 614 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: He didn't throw dack ween receptions and he had and 615 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: he was in a much more stable situation. 616 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 6: I'm not saying you can't make an ease every time. 617 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,120 Speaker 6: You can't tell that said that a franchise quarterback. 618 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 3: You tell a guy doesn't play well because of the 619 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,919 Speaker 3: team or the general manager, or it's the coach. 620 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: They never blamed him. No, he absolutely made rookie mistakes. 621 00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 6: Period. 622 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: He made acceptation a rookie, that's all. Yeah, he absolutely 623 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: did exclamation point, there's no denying that. But I'm not 624 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: gonna say he's not a franchise quarterback. 625 00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 4: I know it is. 626 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: They're thirty positive mind everybody, there's thirty two teams. You 627 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: can't name me thirty two if you're by the golden standard. 628 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:16,680 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of quarterback. 629 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 4: It's a lot of bad. 630 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 3: Everybody's not a franchise quarterback because of the starting quarterback. 631 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: There's only a handful of teams that got a franchise quarterback. 632 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 3: So what I'm saying, he's not a franchise quarterback. You 633 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: might say the starter in the league. Everybody's not a 634 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 3: franchise And I'm. 635 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: Saying it's still to be determined in my opinion. Absolutely 636 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: still seen enough in my football opinion. 637 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, thats right. 638 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 4: I'm telling you I've seen it. I'm not buying it. 639 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 6: What's the difference between him and that? What's the difference? 640 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 8: What? 641 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 6: Now? 642 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: Sam Donald's has gone what twenty eight and six or 643 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: something like that. That's why he's on That's why he's 644 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,960 Speaker 1: been on two teams with all those numbers, and he's 645 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,800 Speaker 1: with the Seahawks. Now, all I know is, uh, the 646 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: Lowes second lowest QBR of any quarterback. 647 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 3: I mean, really any You mean to tell me. The 648 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: Browns are the only bad teams that other guys didn't 649 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 3: go to bad teams and they didn't play that poorly. 650 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 3: Had should Dors Sanders shown enough to be the front 651 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: runner to the Browns QB one for twenty twenty six, 652 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 3: They won't even commit to him. They could have easily 653 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,080 Speaker 3: said we found our guy, but they know that they 654 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 3: didn't find their guy. Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox. 655 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 3: Then he win more games than Deshaun Watson. Yeah, the 656 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 3: last two games he won, he did nothing. We do 657 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 3: you have three interceptions and. 658 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 6: Don't do that. 659 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,520 Speaker 1: Yes, some of the quarterbacks you've been lacking the same 660 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 1: thing throughout the season, don't do that. 661 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 3: No, I'm telling you he't know that. He didn't do 662 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 3: nothing in those games. Eight seven seven ninety nine on 663 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 3: Fox eight seven seven, nine nine, six sixty three, sixty nine. 664 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 4: You better call up here. 665 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 3: You should dure sympathizers who were had just chest stuck out, 666 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 3: who used to text me early on rob Gen when 667 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 3: he first was playing. I ain't get a text for 668 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 3: the last six weeks from those guys. They and they hid. Wow, 669 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 3: it is the odd couple on a worship Wednesday. And 670 00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 3: I'm not worshiping Shador Sanders. I'm telling his truth. What's 671 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: the truth, And if I put my finger on I'd 672 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: have to watch it.