WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Said The White Rabbit 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.280 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of 0:00:05.320 --> 0:00:10.680 My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:14.720 Mind listener Mail. This is Robert Lamb and Seth Nicholas Johnson. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.080 That's right, Joe is still out on parental leave and 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:21.479 we're still doing listener mail. And since we have a 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:23.680 few bits of listener mail on this one that have 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.599 to do with an episode of Weird House Cinema that 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:29.319 Seth joined me for, I've decided, well we should have 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.280 Seth in here on this episode of listener mail as well. 0:00:32.560 --> 0:00:39.800 Happy to join. All right, well, let's jump right into 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:42.400 the mail bag here, we're gonna kick off with one 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:46.480 that's another bit of goat listener mail. Uh. The goat 0:00:46.520 --> 0:00:49.760 mail keeps coming, and it should keep coming. This one 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:53.480 comes to us from Chris from Chicago. Hi, Robert, Seth 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.960 and Joe in absentia. Congratulations on the new arrival. I 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.400 have been ruminating on this email since the first Goat episode. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.720 I was surprised by all of the goat lore and 0:01:03.880 --> 0:01:07.200 history across so many cultures. One culture of goat content 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:11.760 that I enjoy is beer culture, more specifically German beer culture. 0:01:12.520 --> 0:01:15.920 Bach beer is a staple of Old World brewing styles. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.000 Here is a link to a quick summary, and that 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.920 they included a link that goes to a brewery. And yes, 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:28.800 there there's some posters and images and some labels that 0:01:28.800 --> 0:01:34.120 that that definitely featured goats with with large curling horns. 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:38.800 Chris continues from the web page quote Bach originated in 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:42.560 the northern German city of Einbeck, probably as far back 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:45.440 as the fourteen hundreds. By the sixteen hundreds it was 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.160 being brewed in the Munich area of southern Germany. The 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:52.840 name Einbeck was pronounced as Einbach in the Bavarian accent 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:57.600 of the region, and Einbach means billy goat. I never 0:01:57.640 --> 0:02:01.120 knew that. With that being that, a quick Google search 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.960 we'll find you a plethora of goat and beer label images. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:06.440 One of my favorite box styles is that of the 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.880 double box or double box slightly darker, multier, and higher 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.200 in a b V. My favorite example of the style 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:18.040 is eyeinger celebration. Include a link to this. I'm clicking 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.720 on it. It's pulling up the image slowly from Germany, 0:02:23.080 --> 0:02:25.760 and it's kind of stalling it. No, no, it's back, Okay, yes, alright, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:29.399 I see this wonderful label here with a giant it's 0:02:29.400 --> 0:02:34.959 either a giant frothing grail of beer or it is 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.760 a very small one um or I don't know, or 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:39.760 maybe it's regular size and the goats are small, but 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:43.519 there are two horned goats on either side. Um, sort 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:47.040 of dancing or rearing up against the beer. Well, if 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:51.240 it's a double box, you need double the goats. Makes sense. Yeah, 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:54.040 it does look delicious. It's almost like a root beer float. 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:57.959 But I think I just I prefer a root beer 0:02:58.040 --> 0:03:00.440 to an actual beer. So so maybe it's just where 0:03:00.480 --> 0:03:04.880 my mind wants to go. And Chris continues here. One 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:08.679 of my favorite American and local breweries, Revolution Brewing here 0:03:08.760 --> 0:03:12.720 in Chicago, has a seasonal beer called Baham, a a 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:17.680 bock beer coming in at six point six six percent 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.280 ABV and featuring a great label with a rendition of 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.480 the goat of Mindy's featuring some additional beer specific changes 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:32.960 please see the attached that's wonderful a six point six 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:35.400 six a b V and the beer is called bah 0:03:35.800 --> 0:03:40.240 that's a hilarious round of applause for them. And uh yeah, 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.040 I'm I'm pulling up a link to this here to 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:45.200 see the cover. Oh yes, this is very This is 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:49.240 very nice. I'm not really a beer person, but if 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:51.160 if you've offered one of these, I might have to 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:53.960 try it out, just because it has a very very 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.360 metal looking label on it. Very nice. Yeah, I'm looking 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.240 at the image here and at first I was thinking, 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:03.280 is this an artichoke floating over the goat's head? I'm 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:07.200 gonna guess it's probably a hop. I'm not a brew master, 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:11.080 but I believe hops look similar to artich chokes, especially 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:13.360 if it's zoomed in. So once again we're getting into 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.640 the idea of scale, just like with the previous label. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.520 Is this a very large hop or a very small 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.679 baffo a? I don't know either way, though great label, 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:24.760 I applaud it. I'm also not entirely sure what a 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:27.839 hop is. Do you think you know? Like, I know, 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.840 it's like a like a you know, a barley thing 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.560 of a jig, but like, like, is is it the flower? 0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:37.240 I I genuinely don't know. I'm I'm very ignorant on beer, 0:04:38.240 --> 0:04:41.480 No I am. I've I've been straight edged for like, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.599 holy cow, um, over a decade. I can't I literally 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:50.040 can't remember the last time I had alcohol. So yeah, sorry, 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.400 these are beautiful labels, though it would Beer is also 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:55.920 something that I don't think Joe and I have covered 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.960 on the show before as a devoted you know, like 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.200 that how to beer or or the invention of beer 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.200 and so for the beer comes up now and again, 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.880 but we've never really done an episode that dives into it. 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:08.520 That would be that would be interesting to do in 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:11.400 the future though. Yeah. Anyway, Chris winds it up here 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:13.800 with thank you for all the consistently great content, Chris 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:23.080 from Chicago right our next messages from Keith goes As. Thus, 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.760 I listened to your conversation about anti witchcraft practices this week, 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.040 and the part about shoes made me think of this 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.760 meme that is all enjoy. Memes are of course visual, 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:36.560 but I'll explain them to the audience. Here we have 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:38.640 the image of let's see it looks like the end 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:42.039 of a bench or a bed, and we have two 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:45.039 boots sitting on the floor. It looks like to Doc 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:49.120 Martin's and they're very widely spaced apart, like got to 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:51.159 be at least what two and a half three feet 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.000 as the two boots sitting on the ground space apart. 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:58.760 And this is the text on said meme, I leave 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.800 my shoes far up heart so if a burglar comes in, 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:07.120 they think I'm big a f ah fair fair absolutely 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.640 and know that this doesn't make sense. There there is 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.159 something going back to that episode that that you did. 0:06:13.240 --> 0:06:15.640 It was the interview where it was about things found 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:19.320 in the walls, whether it be you know, shoes, etcetera, etcetera. 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:24.080 And man, there is something spooky about a shoe by itself. 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:27.400 I have no idea why it is. I I perhaps 0:06:27.440 --> 0:06:29.400 maybe like gives us like the vibe of like an 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:32.839 invisible person or something. Maybe it's got something to do 0:06:33.120 --> 0:06:35.440 with like just the amount of life that goes into 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:39.080 an average pair of shoes that it is like even 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.320 more so than like something like a hat or a 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.279 shirt or even something like a pair of jeans. A 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.279 pair of shoes really has gone places with a person. 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:51.320 So it does feel almost like a fingernail or something. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:51.360 --> 0:06:54.160 there is. Yeah, there's something. There's something strange about finding 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:57.279 the one shoe if you're out on a walk mirror 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.280 be it in on an urban or rural environ meant, 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:03.880 of course, there are various traditions with the throwing of 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:08.640 the lace together shoes over a power line or a 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:12.000 telephone wire, or a tree branch and so forth. This 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.000 is all from that Brian Hoggard episode recently people should 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:16.840 listen to if they haven't. My favorite part from that 0:07:17.080 --> 0:07:20.559 interview something that's so obvious but I never thought about 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:23.360 until it was settled out in that episode, the idea 0:07:23.440 --> 0:07:26.120 that shoes were not made for left or right feet. 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.800 You just made shoe and it was just you wore 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:32.280 two shoe and ultimately it would form to your foot. 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.200 And perhaps that's why the idea of Cinderella's you know, 0:07:36.320 --> 0:07:40.520 shoe fitting her perfectly was such like an individual notion. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:42.480 And it's like, oh, of course, because like you know, 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.040 I've I've I've heard that story million times in my life, 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:47.200 and I thought, so many people are going to fit 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:49.720 into that shoe if it's just a shoe. But no, no, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:51.960 if if it really was like you know, her, like 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:55.679 old leather shoe that had magically turned into this glass slipper, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.000 then no, it would be like exactly her foot. It 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:01.640 would be like a love not to you know, confuse 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.880 my articles of clothing here. Yeah, I know, this is 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:07.960 a great point. Yeah, because the leather shoe, obviously is 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.160 this thing that's already kind of flesh, and then it 0:08:10.520 --> 0:08:13.720 slowly becomes more in tune with your body. But yeah, 0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:15.960 I didn't evenin about the Cinderella comparison here, but that's 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.440 I think that's that's right on there. It makes that 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.280 story feel a bit more concrete that than it used 0:08:22.280 --> 0:08:24.480 to in my head by by adding that extra little 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.800 wrinkle of like, no, no, no, shoes weren't like shoes now. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:33.520 Shoes were these very specific things that fit only your feet. Yeah, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.480 And I think that's that's probably a layer to it 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.040 that definitely would have spoken to people in olden times 0:08:39.040 --> 0:08:41.600 when they heard the story, read the story, or had 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.199 the story told to them. I also bet, because you know, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.480 I mean we here, we are in the modern age, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:49.079 a couple of pairs of shoes that I by regularly, 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.160 A standard pair of Converse high tops and a standard 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.280 pair of Doc Martin boots, just two pairs of shoes 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:57.120 that I always have on hand. You know, you got 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.320 to wear them in for a couple of days. And 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.880 those are modern, made for left, made for right shoes. 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:05.320 I can't imagine how long it took to wear in 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:10.520 a pair of shoes that were two nondescripts, just pieces 0:09:10.600 --> 0:09:13.400 of of of of of formerly cow flesh, you know, 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:17.560 like I can't even imagine. Yeah, uh, that episode definitely 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.880 had me thinking more and more about shoe placement in 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:23.520 the house. My household is a is a shoes off 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.880 once you enter the house household, so we have all 0:09:26.880 --> 0:09:29.160 the shoes lined up in trays right when you enter 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.200 the house. And so after that interview, I kept thinking 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:34.839 about it when I look over and see all those 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:38.680 shoes and think of them collecting demons. And weirdly enough, 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.400 it was either right about the same time we recorded 0:09:41.400 --> 0:09:45.320 this or a little afterwards, our cat started sleeping on 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.040 the shoes. So now sleeping on the shoes is one 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.600 of her favorite spots that she'll you know, get around 0:09:51.600 --> 0:09:53.760 too during the course of her travels through the house 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.640 in the day, and she'll sleep for hours on the shoes. Well, well, 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.640 the next time you took up your shoes in your house, 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:03.120 do like this meme says, and leave your shoes far apart, 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.280 so if a burglar comes in, they think your big 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:14.120 a f Yeah, here you go. All right, now we're 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:17.880 going to get into some of the weird house listener mail, 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.400 and this is delightful because at least a couple of 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:23.360 them have to do with our discussion of the Alice. 0:10:23.880 --> 0:10:26.080 This first one comes to us from Joe. Joe rides 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:29.120 then and says the following, Dear Robert and Seth. First 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:33.520 of all, hearty congratulations to Joe, are Joe on the 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.160 new baby. Best wishes to the family. This is a 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:40.600 little off tangent, but after seeing the weird puppets in Alice, 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.840 I feel the need to tell you about some other 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:49.040 weird and maybe awesome puppets, particularly the puppets in Pee Lee, 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:55.200 a puppet series that started in and hasn't ended yet. Yes, 0:10:55.280 --> 0:10:58.520 you heard that right. The show is still ongoing. There 0:10:58.520 --> 0:11:01.960 are some two thousand, six undred episodes and counting. I 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:05.040 don't know if this number includes the multiple spinoffs that 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.439 are supposedly set in the same universe that follow different characters, 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:11.240 but I'm a little afraid to find out. That's even 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.040 longer than The Simpsons because the Simpsons, so that this 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.440 this pre dates the Simpsons and it is still going 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:20.440 very impressive. Yeah, I mean, it's got to be up 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:24.200 there for like, the longest puppet show on the air 0:11:24.240 --> 0:11:27.480 in general has to be Yea. They continue. The show 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.560 is produced by pe Lee International Multimedia, Taiwan and in 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.440 my opinion, has some really beautiful puppets. Unfortunately, the main 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:39.719 series is in Taiwanese hot Keen and the subs are 0:11:39.760 --> 0:11:43.160 in Traditional Chinese, so they're pretty inaccessible to anyone who 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:48.760 can't read Traditional Chinese. However, the collaboration with Good Smile 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:54.080 Thunderbolt Fantasy has English subs on YouTube. The show is 0:11:54.120 --> 0:12:00.719 a Chinese C and C series which revolves around cultivation Taoism, 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:06.120 flying around, super secret manuals and techniques, flashy attacks, big swords, 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:09.920 and lots of instances of honor being impugned been avenged. 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.280 They also have a YouTube channel and has a ton 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.400 of edits and compilations. They've come a long way since 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:18.520 the ninety nineties and I hope you get a kick 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.800 out of seeing the difference in cinematics. Thanks for reading. 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.560 These are beautiful. I'm looking at these right now, and 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.120 not only are the like primary figures like like there 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:33.120 seemed to be some humanoid esque figures, but man that 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:36.440 I'm seeing some creatures here. Um, Like wow, there's like 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:42.080 this some giant bear like creature with antlers that is 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:45.200 so beautiful looking. Yeah. Yeah, I'm glancing at some of 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:48.480 this footage as well. On an epic sword fight here 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.040 battle on the shores of the Sticks. This is amazing looking. Yeah. 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.920 The one I'm talking about is Demigod the legend begins 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.880 and it looks gorgeous. Yeah. Anyway, thanks for some of 0:12:59.920 --> 0:13:10.600 the into us. Yes, absolutely, all right. Next up we 0:13:10.640 --> 0:13:15.079 have a message from Tantry. They write the following, Hey, guys, 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:17.720 love the show as always. I wanted to let you 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:21.319 know about the tarts in Sphank mars Alice. Those are 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:24.520 poppy seed colatches. Is that you think that's the correct 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:30.000 pronunciation colches? Yeah? Or co colaches? Yeah, spelled k O 0:13:30.320 --> 0:13:32.360 l A c h e s. Just in case you 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.080 at home were wondering and want to look these up, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:38.880 I'll say colaches for now, just going phonetically. Uh. Colaches 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:42.640 are the most quintessential of all check pastries, and poppy 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:47.199 seed is the most check filling. Poppy seed. We did 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:50.000 not say poppy seed, but now now that now that 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.559 we're saying it out loud, I can definitely see poppy seed. 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:56.200 So that's that's interesting. Thank thank you for for clearing 0:13:56.240 --> 0:13:59.959 up this mystery for us. So continue with the message. 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:03.440 Sometimes they are topped with strussel, or sometimes like an 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.880 alice with almonds, So there we go, there we go. Yeah, 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.800 we had a big discussion about what these were, if 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:13.440 they were teeth, whether or not they were just mud 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.320 filled with baby teeth, but no poppy seed with almonds. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:21.840 Back to the message. Uh, it's funny that without context 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:25.080 they do come off looking rather unappetizing in the film, 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.640 particularly in a film where everything edible is made to 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:32.560 look upsetting, especially since in context they're the only thing 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.320 in the film that seems like it's supposed to be delicious. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:39.560 Then they sent us an example image, and you're absolutely correct, 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.960 this looks wonderful. I would absolutely take a bite of this. 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.160 Um yeah, absolutely yeah. Yeah. Well, out of the context 0:14:47.320 --> 0:14:52.800 of Johns funk Myers alice, this looks rather delicious. So um. 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:56.560 So yeah, I'm I'm glad to to define out exactly 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.880 what this this was supposed to be. And uh, and yes, 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.520 Country makes some some great points to about you. Could 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:05.840 you could basically put anything, any food item in its 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.560 place in alice, and you would be a little suspicious 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.120 of it. You have only because it might contain thumb 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:15.480 tax in the context of alice. Yeah yeah, because if 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:18.200 this uh and as far as I can tell, this 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:20.920 is one for one exactly what is in this movie. 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.480 I mean, it seems exactly correct. If that's the case. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:28.400 It's the only food that is not suspicious in one 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.640 way or another, whether it be the bread with the nails, 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.440 and it's the marmalade with the thumb tax this one 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.800 never appeared to have anything foreign inside it at all. 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:41.320 It was always food throughout the film. So yeah, yeah, anyway, 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:50.160 no baby teeth and mud, poppy seeds and almonds. All right, 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.080 here's another weird house cinema message, and this one comes 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.000 to us from Kate. Kate rides in and says, Dear 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.960 Robert and Joe, thank you for all your incredible programming. 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.720 You are my favorite companions for running and you always 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:04.680 make the time fly by, even on days when I 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.480 don't really want to be slogging up hills. You guys 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.440 do such a wonderful job of science communication. I wanted 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:12.720 to write in to comment on your discussion with David 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:16.480 Streepy on The Gate, particularly your comments on the use 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.120 of problematic language in the film and how that might 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:21.800 impact your choice to watch it with kids. I had 0:16:21.800 --> 0:16:26.200 the experience of showing my kids seven movie Monster Squad. Oh, 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:29.840 I know exactly where this is going. This I adore 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:32.920 this movie, and man, there's some hate speech in the 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:35.760 beginning that makes it real rough. Uh sorry, I haven't 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:38.240 read this in advance. I'm just reacting in real time. 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:42.400 Please continue, Rob, No, no, no, that's I'm I've been 0:16:42.400 --> 0:16:44.440 in a weird spot with Monster Squad as well, because 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.240 I fondly remember it from from my childhood. Because the 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:52.040 monsters are incredible. Yes, it's it's a kid's, you know, 0:16:52.520 --> 0:16:54.440 kick butt kind of a movie, so it has that 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:58.880 going for it, but I've always been hesitant to revisit it, 0:16:58.880 --> 0:17:00.440 and certainly to view it with my child Now. I 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.240 didn't remember the problematic language, but I remembered the whole 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.520 the plot point about needing a virgin to do something 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.119 to close or open a gate. And even at the 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.119 time as a child, I remember finding this weird and 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:16.720 had at least had plot holes in it because I'm like, wait, 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:19.520 they keep saying that, like, Okay, the old man's not 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:21.639 a virgin, he can't open it. It has to be 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.679 the girl. But then it's like, does that mean that 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.879 all the male children are are no longer virgins in 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.040 this movie, like there's there. I had questions and had 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.160 issues with it, and like I don't I don't want 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.240 to have to explain all this too much of my son. 0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:36.879 And even more so, I would say even more problematic 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:40.159 than that, because even hocus Pocus goes down that route 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.200 of you know, virgins being necessary for things to work 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.520 with magic spells um. I. My other least favorite part 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:50.919 about this from just you know, a modern sensibility and 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:52.840 I'm an adult so I can look at this with 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.320 adult eyes, is there's a lot of peeping on a 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:58.800 woman while she is not consenting to be peeped upon, 0:17:58.960 --> 0:18:02.760 with photos being taken ever, and stuff not cool, you know, like, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:05.600 oh wow, I don't remember that at all from this film. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:07.439 It was a different time. I get it, but now 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.479 it was wrong then and it's wrong now. But anyway, 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.359 back back to this message, I I can't wait to 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:15.320 hear more about the Monster Squad. Okay, Kate continues. What 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.200 I had completely forgotten was the liberal use of hateful 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.359 language early in the film, particularly the use of homophobic 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:24.399 slurs by the bully characters. It was a huge shock 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.600 while watching, and my kids picked up on my discomfort immediately. 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.159 I would have preferred they not hear that kind of 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.800 hateful language. However, we ended up having a very long 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:35.760 conversation about words and how some words take on a 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:39.359 broader and more harmful meaning than mere insults. We also 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.239 talked about how the world I grew up in was 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:44.960 more open in using those words, but they are still 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:48.040 wielded as weapons now, and that it does real damage 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:50.920 to people overall. And it ended up being an opportunity 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:53.480 to talk with them about these issues and the movie 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:57.000 provided a context for them to understand. My oldest even 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:00.240 referenced our Monster Squad discussion when he found my copy 0:19:00.240 --> 0:19:02.479 of Huckleberry Finn and I told him why I had 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.320 very mixed feelings about him reading it. I wanted to 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.480 share my experience for any other parents who might show 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:12.240 their kids a movie from their eighties childhood and they 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.359 that they did not expect to contain casual hate and 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:18.880 words they don't want their children to hear. I would 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.000 not have done it on purpose, but it can be 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.800 a chance for a real talk about the power and 0:19:23.840 --> 0:19:26.960 gravity of hateful words. Thanks so much for all you 0:19:27.000 --> 0:19:31.480 guys do. Cheers, Kate. I think that's a wonderful, wonderful sentiment. 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.639 And um, I'm really grateful that you did that with 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.760 your kids. I think communication with children is h an 0:19:37.800 --> 0:19:40.760 overlooked art form, so I really appreciate that you did that. 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.399 And also I do think it also opens up the 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.280 world to a broader place that once a child does 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:49.800 understand the difference between something that happened in the past 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.280 and something that happened today, not only can can they 0:19:52.359 --> 0:19:56.520 now hopefully enjoy a broader range of entertainments like, for example, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.760 watching like old Looney Tunes, shorts and stuff like that. 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:01.720 But but in addition to that, I think it's really 0:20:01.720 --> 0:20:05.560 really helpful for thinking about the things we do today, 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:08.400 thinking about it from a future perspective and going, hey, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.080 in the future, what am I doing right now that 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:15.000 I will probably regret? What words should I stop using? What? 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.480 What what attitudes should I please drop? You know? So, 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.240 so I think that is very valuable, Kate, So, so 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.160 way to go with that. And also I know how 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:26.280 important it is to find really good um podcast listening 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.800 for jogging, so I'm glad we can provide that for you. 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:31.320 It's a it's it's it's a balancing act. It's gotta 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:33.280 be interesting, but it can't be too interesting, you know, 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.160 it's got to be like just right, you know. So, yeah, 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.719 I'm with you. Yeah, yeah, these are all great points. Um. 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.080 I know. Also racial stereotypes or something that also comes 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:44.719 up in a lot of films from yesteryear and they 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:47.359 those two will jump out when you least expect them. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:51.000 And um and yeah, I have found that to be 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:54.520 an opportunity for my wife and I discuss those things 0:20:54.560 --> 0:20:56.920 with with our son. Oh and by the way, Kate 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:02.040 also uh suggested that Joan return to the topic of 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:06.280 the electric microbe land episode. Apparently there have been some 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:10.040 some more recent studies that have come out, uh that 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.119 that suggests that there there might be more that we 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:15.320 need to discuss in the future. So I appreciate that. Obviously, 0:21:15.359 --> 0:21:18.800 anytime you're out there and you you hear of new studies, 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.480 new findings, new angles on things that we've discussed in 0:21:21.480 --> 0:21:24.600 the past on the show that could be explored in 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.320 the future. Yeah, shoot him our way. We we would 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:35.160 We would love to hear from you. Absolutely. We've got 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:38.760 one more message. This is from Adam says, hey, y'all, 0:21:39.119 --> 0:21:42.080 quick suggestion on some films that I've seen on the 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:47.320 mission channel on my videos TVs watch free app. I 0:21:47.359 --> 0:21:48.800 don't think I know what that is? Do you do? 0:21:48.840 --> 0:21:51.280 You know what a mission channel is? This my my 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:55.639 so my understanding, mostly from being in like Airbnb houses, 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:58.360 is that some of these modern TVs have like their 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:00.440 own little you know, they had a little apps for 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:04.800 the different viewing uh services, and some of them have. 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:06.640 It seems like there are a number of different services 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.439 that maybe have more or less the same assortment of 0:22:10.520 --> 0:22:13.320 films that they offer up for I think usually quote 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:17.400 unquote free, so it's usually advertising supported. I get that. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:19.359 my my TV has something like that, just like that, 0:22:19.440 --> 0:22:22.240 like a random movie channel that forces itself on me 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:26.440 as often as it can. It's almost always showing Father Goose. Okay, okay, 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.720 I got that. So so um from Adam, these are 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.200