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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Steph.

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Speaker 3: I never told you a production of iHeartRadio, and we

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Speaker 3: are back with our wrap up of the Olympics, the

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Speaker 3: Summer Olympics twenty twenty four in Paris.

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Speaker 2: Honestly, this one got a little out of hand.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to talk about, so if I miss something,

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Speaker 3: please let us know, because this was mostly me so

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Speaker 3: Sabbathly you're going to come along the ride, but I'm

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Speaker 3: sure you'll have thoughts about it. But yeah, there has

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Speaker 3: been a lot of conversation that's come out of it.

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Speaker 3: And unfortunately, because I got so caught up in the controversies,

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Speaker 3: we're not talking too.

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Speaker 2: Much about some wins that I wanted to talk about.

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Speaker 2: So maybe there will be another one. Maybe there will

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Speaker 2: be another one.

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Speaker 3: Also, pair Olympics are coming up August twenty eighth.

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Speaker 2: We were recording this August twenty seventh, so hey tomorrow. Awesome.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday to friend Tyler, who has long worked at

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Speaker 3: our company in its various iterations, and we got to

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Speaker 3: hang out with recently in Washington, DC, which is cool.

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Speaker 2: I hadn't seen him in a while.

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Speaker 3: Also kind of related when I first started, when I

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Speaker 3: There was another woman who worked with me, but she

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Speaker 2: Tyler was one of them.

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Speaker 3: But one day one of our bosses came in and

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Speaker 3: he was announcing that I was quitting and he was

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Speaker 3: he said, I know you're a girl and you don't

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Speaker 3: get it. Well yeah yeah, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I whatever, I don't I don't get it, so whatever.

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Speaker 2: Then he left and Tyler looked at me and he

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Speaker 3: I don't get it either, So you good. So thank you, Tyler.

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Speaker 3: Happy birthday, Happy birthday. Yes, unfortunately we are. There is

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Speaker 3: a content warning for this one for trans zobia, fat phobia,

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Speaker 3: discussion of wait, yeah, yeah, there's some stuff I was

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Speaker 3: getting really I was getting riled up last night Smitha

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Speaker 3: when I was researching Oh so yeah, uh for this episode.

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Speaker 3: We're going to do some brief overviews on the ups

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Speaker 3: and downs of this Summer Olympics, and we have done

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Speaker 3: two three I think we did a feminist around the World.

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Speaker 3: We've done it. We did one of those, and then

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Speaker 3: we did two Monday minis related to this Olympics. So

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Speaker 3: we've done a couple of things. Also see our past

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Speaker 3: Olympics episodes for more on this. But yeah, we did

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Speaker 3: want to touch on the fact that the host city,

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Speaker 3: Paris was really touting this being the first gender equal

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Speaker 3: Summer Olympics. So let's break that down a bit. When

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Speaker 3: it comes to the US team, US did send more

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Speaker 3: women than men for the fourth straight Summer Olympics, three

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Speaker 3: hundred and fourteen women to two hundred and seventy eight

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Speaker 2: So we have come a long way.

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Speaker 3: There's still still room for improvement because, as we all know,

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Speaker 3: this metric is not the only thing to take into account.

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Speaker 3: In the words of Purdue University professor who studies this

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Speaker 3: so on. So she was saying, like both can be true.

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Speaker 3: Others have pointed out that in general, the delegations can

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Speaker 4: Right, So here's a quote from the AP there's still

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Speaker 4: a slight edge toward men. Among the three hundred and

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Speaker 4: quote fully gender equal, the IOC said, including the new

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Speaker 4: So leadership is an area that has a lot further

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and we were like, why would you say?

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Speaker 3: And speaking of there were as we discussed instances of

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Speaker 3: One that's ongoing is in gymnastics, so this is yeah,

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Speaker 3: As a viewer. Simone Biles has got a solid silver.

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Speaker 3: I was taken on the metal podium of both Childs

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Speaker 1: There new inquiries happening.

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Speaker 3: When I was doing this research, social media backlash WHOA,

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, this is a IOC governing body problem,

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Speaker 4: It's this conversation we've been kind of having because we've

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Speaker 3: a lot from the Australian breaking community. I will say

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Speaker 3: I'm not part of that community, so I can't really

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Speaker 3: speak to it, but I will say that in the

442
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Speaker 3: articles I read, people were talking about how it's evolved

443
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Speaker 3: in different places, and I people were talking about how

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Speaker 3: it can look differently in different places, and yeah, again,

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Speaker 3: like how do you score it when.

446
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Speaker 2: It's like it's so difficult to score?

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Speaker 3: But yes, Reagan once again got a ton of abuse online.

448
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Speaker 3: The AOC even released a twelve point fact check to

449
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Speaker 3: combat all the mis and disinformation about her. But so

450
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Speaker 3: have many young breakers, many girls and women in Australia

451
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Speaker 3: and nearby. So yeah, listeners, if you know about that,

452
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Speaker 3: let us know. And as I said, it's unfortunate because

453
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Speaker 3: all of this has overshadowed the winners and those who

454
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Speaker 3: were looking to this movement to put breaking on the

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Speaker 3: global stage and have a bigger conversation about it.

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Speaker 4: So right, I mean we're having a conversation about it.

457
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Speaker 4: I will say this event could have just like died

458
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Speaker 4: away and no one really cared. She did do something,

459
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Speaker 4: she do the attention, not the best, not the best.

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Speaker 4: I do know that she stayed in Paris for a

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Speaker 4: long while with her husband, and the videos that I've

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Speaker 4: seen with both her and her husband, they are similar

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Speaker 4: in style. Let's talk about the boxer and the lawsuit.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that's the story in the story.

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Speaker 1: Right the way I put it so.

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Speaker 4: In our recent Olympics episode, we discussed all the controversy

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Speaker 4: around Algerian boxer a mon Khalif. If you need to

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Speaker 4: take a take a listen, take a pause, We'll go

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Speaker 4: see a talk TikTok.

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Speaker 1: There's so much information.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully the right side is kind of complicated, but essentially,

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Speaker 4: the IOC no longer accepts the authority of the IBA,

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Speaker 4: the International Boxing Association, since it's headquartered in Russia. The

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Speaker 4: IBA disqualified both Khalif and Taiwanese boxer Lenn Ut in

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Speaker 4: a decision that IOC labeled as sudden and arbitrary and

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Speaker 4: without any due process. This means the IOC is in

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Speaker 4: control of the athletes they can compete in Olympic boxing,

478
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Speaker 4: not the IBA. So the IOC backed Khalif, who went

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Speaker 4: on to win the gold medal, Algeria's first women in

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Speaker 4: boxing and returned to a hero's welcome in her hometown. Yes,

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Speaker 4: she deserved the congratulations, everybody clap. Notably, neither had had

482
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Speaker 4: issues competing before. In Kalif's case, this disqualification happened after

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Speaker 4: she defeated a Russian boxer. We did talk about and

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Speaker 4: the president of the IOC said, we have two boxers

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Speaker 4: who are born as women, who have been raised as women,

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Speaker 4: who have a passport as a woman, and who have

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Speaker 4: competed for many years as women. And by the way,

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Speaker 4: it wasn't and they had done so and lost many

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Speaker 4: and they didn't pay attention to them until they won.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, which I will come back to, Okay,

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Speaker 3: that being said, the online uproar about Calief's gender after

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Speaker 3: these unspecified failed tests from the IBA was immense. From

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Speaker 3: Time magazine quote, despite being born and raised as a woman,

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Speaker 3: she found herself in the crosshairs of Western debates about gender,

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Speaker 3: sex and sports after failing unspecified and untransparent eligibility test

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Speaker 3: for women's competition from the now banned International Boxing Association

497
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Speaker 3: in twenty twenty three. It even drew in high profile

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Speaker 3: names that we wish we didn't have to discuss, like

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk, jk Rowling, Logan Paul, though he later deleted

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Speaker 3: his post and said he might be guilty of spreading misinformation,

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Speaker 3: and Donald Trump, who all referred to her as a

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Speaker 3: man in abusive social media post. So, yes, this just happened,

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Speaker 3: As I said, today is August twenty seventh. But I

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Speaker 3: think it was last night, so jk Rowling took a

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Speaker 3: break after she got sued, which we're going to talk

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Speaker 3: about a second by I'm on Khalif, But she's back.

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Speaker 3: She first tweeted under a photo of Khalif's about with

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Speaker 3: Italian boxer At Karini, the smirk of a male who

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Speaker 3: knows he's protected by a misogynist sporting establishment and joined

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Speaker 3: the distress of a woman he's just punched in the

511
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Speaker 3: head end quote, watch this whole thread, then explain why

512
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Speaker 3: you're okay with a man beating a woman in public

513
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Speaker 3: for your entertainment. This isn't sport from the bullying cheat

514
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: and read all the way up to the organizers who

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Speaker 3: allowed this to happen.

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Speaker 2: This is men reveling in their power over women. That

517
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Speaker 2: was what she first tweeted. So then Musk and Trump

518
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: joined in, and Trump promised to keep men out of

519
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: women's sports if he was elected. And then yeah, she

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Speaker 2: took this break, and now she's back, and she tweeted

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Speaker 2: about the lawsuit. It's important to highlight that launching a

522
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Speaker 2: PR campaign in applying layers of thick makeup requires far

523
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Speaker 2: more time and effort and simply making DNA test results public, which,

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Speaker 2: as many people pointed out, it's very.

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Speaker 5: Bizarre to ask for someone's test results.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yes, she's like that.

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Speaker 4: She takes all her money. Oh I want at this point,

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Speaker 4: I want a mon to like own all of Harry

529
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: Potter content so we can go back and enjoy it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, that would be nice.

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Speaker 4: But here's the other part to this, And I'm just

532
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: gonna quickly say this. We know she comes from a

533
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Speaker 4: country that does not welcome trans the trans community openly.

534
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Speaker 4: There's so much irony and concern to this implication worldwide,

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Speaker 4: Like this is a whole understanding of conversations of like, yes,

536
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Speaker 4: we want her to take the stand, but is this

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Speaker 4: also doing a precedent about biological women, which is already concerning.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we'll talk about that in a second.

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Speaker 3: But it's also it also became very It became a

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Speaker 3: big deal for Algeria in a lot of ways, who

541
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Speaker 3: felt that they were there, she was being attacked, right,

542
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Speaker 3: So it did become a very patriotic issue, which also can.

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Speaker 2: Be can be messy. But yes, this lawsuit we've been

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Speaker 2: alluding to.

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Speaker 3: After the Olympics concluded, Clive filed a lawsuit against Twitter

546
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Speaker 3: slash x alleging cyber harassment in France a sustained quote misogynist,

547
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Speaker 3: racist and sexist campaign, and she named Musk and rolling

548
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Speaker 3: in it. And I will tell you the laws in

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Speaker 3: the European Union around this are stricter than what they

550
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Speaker 3: are in the US. So I'm interested to see how

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Speaker 3: this place out. It would be nice if she won,

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Speaker 3: that would be lovely.

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Speaker 4: So many things to that, Like, there's so many wins

554
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Speaker 4: to this that were like a wins of win, Like

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Speaker 4: take them down to at least consider what they're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I mean it was huge. It was a

557
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Speaker 2: huge backlash.

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Speaker 3: Like those tweets I read I they had like two

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Speaker 3: hundred million views.

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Speaker 4: And that's not including like the publications that took it

561
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Speaker 4: and men with it, right, and like that was.

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Speaker 3: One of the first things I saw when I was

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Speaker 3: researching last night on YouTube. It was a bunch of

564
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Speaker 3: videos of like sha a man or a woman, which

565
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: again is messed up conversation be having in the first place,

566
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Speaker 3: for a lot of reasons, right, for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 3: But as you said, Samantha, it is interesting that no

568
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Speaker 3: one seemed to care until she started winning. And I

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Speaker 3: found a related quote from Poebus. Skate shooting was an

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Speaker 3: open sport in Barcelona in nineteen ninety two when Jang Shan,

571
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Speaker 3: a Chinese woman, won the gold medal. Subsequently, skate shooting

572
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Speaker 3: became segregated by gender. There's nothing in the record that

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Speaker 3: says and then once a woman won, we decided to

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Speaker 3: have gendered categories.

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Speaker 2: But the timing is notable. Donley said, I.

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Speaker 4: Just baffle, Like people will talk about like, yes, we

577
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 4: do want inquality, we do want all these things, and

578
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 4: be like, oh, but equalized in like you are lesser

579
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Speaker 4: than us. Still, like we might not say that loud, right,

580
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Speaker 4: our ego, if you're harming our ego, we definitely get.

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Speaker 2: Right now now, well, we've got to do something about this.

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Speaker 1: Right, they'll take over the world, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I will say it has been heartening to

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Speaker 3: see people who have competed against her being like no,

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Speaker 3: she's just that good or like which you did talk

586
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Speaker 3: about in uh the previous episode. Uh it was feminis

587
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Speaker 3: around the world, I believe. Yeah, so that's been heartening.

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Speaker 3: I like that, but this is like ridiculous, it's ridiculous,

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Speaker 3: which does bring us to Yeah, the question of gender

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Speaker 3: at large at the Olympics because it is still the

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Speaker 3: gender binary that leaves out. Are even prohibits non binary

592
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Speaker 3: intersects or transgender competitors. Often there are a couple of exceptions,

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Speaker 3: and as many have pointed out, historically transgender women are

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Speaker 3: the ones that face more scrutiny and testing. So you

595
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 3: can go check out our past Olympics episodes for more.

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Speaker 3: But the SE does not have a great record at

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Speaker 3: this at all. Where they would used to do like

598
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Speaker 3: what were they called nude parades that there's like a

599
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Speaker 3: lot of disturbing stuff in the history around this. In

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one, they essentially threw the issue to sports organizations,

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Speaker 3: which is sort of the same as we're like leaving

602
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Speaker 3: abortionship to the states here in the US, if you will,

603
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Speaker 3: so you can see the problem. It's not consistent. Several

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Speaker 3: organizations have banned trans people. Some have banned them with

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Speaker 3: very specific rules like when did you transition? Things like that.

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Speaker 3: Also a brief note about the uproar around the quote

607
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Speaker 3: drag Last Supper tableau at the opening ceremony, though the

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Speaker 3: artist does maintain it was not mocking Da Vinci's painting

609
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Speaker 3: of the Last Supper, but one of the participants has

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Speaker 3: filed a complaint against online harassment abuse because this was

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Speaker 3: of course featured on Fox News as being like the

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Speaker 3: worst thing ever and Donald Trump said it was herndous

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Speaker 3: or some variation of that. So they got a lot

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Speaker 3: of hate online as well.

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Speaker 4: Why can't people just say I don't like this, and

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Speaker 4: if it's not actually damaging, right, just move on, I

617
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: wish like to themselves and don't need to say it

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Speaker 4: out loud, right, just move on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't like Dori fan fiction. The rules.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this is another one. This is a quick thing.

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Speaker 3: It just caught my attention about what was being called

622
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Speaker 3: extreme fan culture in China. So China started cracking down

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Speaker 3: on fans of athletes, leading to at least to one

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Speaker 3: arrest and a handful of people being detained for defamation.

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Speaker 4: So here's a quote from the New York Times. Celebrities

626
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Speaker 4: globally have to deal with fans who are sometimes invasive,

627
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Speaker 4: but in China this phenomenon can be especially intense. Fan

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Speaker 4: groups spend it lavishly on products endorsed by their idols,

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Speaker 4: deploy bots to ensure their favorites stay atop social media

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Speaker 4: tending lists, and even mount harassment campaigns against other stars

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Speaker 4: and their supporters. Some fans stalk their idols and sell

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Speaker 4: their photos of personal information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, athletes have been hounded at airports, rassd online, and

635
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Speaker 3: seen their hometowns flooded with visitors. Rival supporters get into

636
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Speaker 3: vicious online battles, and some have reported them being visibly aggressive.

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Speaker 3: At least one athlete said he would have rather performed

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Speaker 3: worse and been left alone. Others have said that they

639
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: were afraid to return home. Others have had family members

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Speaker 3: contact them and told them not to return home. One

641
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Speaker 3: of the most severe instances of this was during the

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Speaker 3: women's table tennismatch between two Chinese players, which I did

643
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Speaker 3: watch live and I was like, oh, in which people

644
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Speaker 3: were firmly in one of the two camps. There was

645
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Speaker 3: a lot of booing. Women's diving played out. Similarly, the

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Speaker 3: government removed tens of thousands of social media posts in

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Speaker 3: China for quote inciting conflict to women were detained. And

648
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 3: obviously there's a lot more going on here that we

649
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Speaker 3: can unpack, but the theme of social media keeps popping

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Speaker 3: up again and again.

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Speaker 2: Everything I was like, oh, yeah, we.

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Speaker 4: Talked about this with a K pop history, like people

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Speaker 4: who stand and especially in Asian.

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Speaker 1: Culture, And I could be wrong.

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Speaker 4: I guess the US has this individual stalkers, but we

656
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 4: don't see it to the level that we see in

657
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 4: some things and K pop stands where they literally find

658
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: where they're going to be at the airport, have incidents

659
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: where they like come through and block their ways. People

660
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 4: try to send odd things. Again, like the US have

661
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 4: had a few things, but we don't typically. I could

662
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: say I'm wrong because I know, like instinct fans at

663
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 4: the shows and going to meetups, I like rarely see

664
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 4: like that level of devotion, but also so much level

665
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 4: of devotion that they're fighting who they think are rivals, Yeah,

666
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 4: and somewhat made up rivals, Like they're like can you

667
00:36:58,040 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: not enjoy it?

668
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: Both or not?

669
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Speaker 4: Like we'd make it was about the Backstreet Boys versus

670
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 4: in Sync, but anyway rivalry back from like in Sync

671
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 4: and Backstreet Boys, but there's not like I hate you,

672
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 4: like I want Backstreet Boys to float away and go

673
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 4: to an island or anything like.

674
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: That's not a thought process for most of us.

675
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure if but and I say K

676
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 4: pop stands because it may not be based in Asia either,

677
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 4: like like there's a base there, but then outside that.

678
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: There's just as much mini diehards.

679
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 4: To that point, like I've seen this recently with like

680
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: BTS Sugar or Yungi just got into trouble and like

681
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: they are intense, Like arrivals of that band are like

682
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 4: telling him, telling people that he has to be outed

683
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 4: from BTS, which is already an established group that has

684
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: made billions of wand in the in Korea, so that's

685
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 4: not gonna happen. So it's just kind of interesting the

686
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 4: depth that people will go to, like buying trucks to

687
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 4: say I hate this person, get them out to sit

688
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 4: in front of like agencies. Yeah.

689
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, And this was obviously well we'll have to come

690
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 3: back and talk about this more, but a lot of

691
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: the articles we're talking about how it was interesting that

692
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Speaker 3: it was like in the tennis table tennis example, it's

693
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 3: kind of a national sport in China, so it's very popular,

694
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 3: it's huge, and so it's and then they also pointed

695
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 3: out diving had a similar to women who are friends,

696
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 3: Chinese women who are friends getting like.

697
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: Just torn apart fanfic lore about them by that.

698
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 2: I believe it. I believe it.

699
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Speaker 1: I think that like I remember seeing a TikTok about it.

700
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Speaker 3: They believe that, but but that it's two women from

701
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 3: the same country and usually well I won't say this

702
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 3: is only two examples, but what they were saying was

703
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 3: in both cases, there's like an older one who kind

704
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 3: of represents an older generation and one to kind of

705
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 3: represents a younger generation, and so it's almost a generational

706
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: like divide, right, But it's it's really it was very intense,

707
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: and it was also talking about just how athletes in

708
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Speaker 3: China specifically have reached that level of stardom that used

709
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Speaker 3: to be more reserved for celebrities or singers or something

710
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 3: like that, but now it's right.

711
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, China, we know in South Korea and North Korea

712
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: definitely have athletes that they have groomed their entire lives,

713
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,640
Speaker 4: so this is their livelihood. But if they fail, they

714
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: fell alone. If they win, they win for the with

715
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: the country. Like it's just a different level. And though

716
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: we do like we do love our athletes, they oftentimes

717
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 4: have to have another job, Like they cannot live off

718
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: of the earnings of the competitions all the time because

719
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 4: it's also taxing for their body and they have to

720
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Speaker 4: retire early, like we know all this as where other

721
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Speaker 4: places do a whole different level of like elevated status. Right,

722
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 4: you're big, but you have to get Simone Biles big

723
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Speaker 4: to make money.

724
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Speaker 1: If you're a.

725
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 4: Bronze winner, if you're like every now and again, like

726
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 4: and if you're not a winner at all, absolutely not right,

727
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 4: they don't even focus on you, which is unfortunately at

728
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 4: the whole different level. But I find that interesting because culturally,

729
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 4: the importance of like representing your country.

730
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's different.

731
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Speaker 3: It is, and that used to I mean we've discussed before.

732
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Speaker 3: I get stressed a lot when I watch the Olympics,

733
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 3: but that used to be one of my big things.

734
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Speaker 3: So I was like, I feel like I'm feeling fear

735
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 3: from you, like absolute fear when you fail, which freaks

736
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Speaker 3: me out. One of the reasons this conversation did come

737
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 3: up is that I can't remember his name, the Chinese

738
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Speaker 3: swimmer that one.

739
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he had a huge.

740
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Speaker 3: Social media following and he deleted all of it because

741
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 3: he was like, it's so toxic, and so that's part

742
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Speaker 3: of what jump started this conversation.

743
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Speaker 2: All right, now we're going to briefly touch on uniforms.

744
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 3: We've already talked at length about the uproar around Nike's

745
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: teen USA uniform reveal for Track and Fields, and how

746
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 3: on the mannequin the women's uniform looked extremely revealing compared

747
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 3: to the men's uniform. You can see the episode we

748
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: did for more on that. But that was not the

749
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 3: only drama around clothing. The IOC rule that athletes were

750
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Speaker 3: allowed to wear head jobs or headscarves. However, French athletes

751
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 3: themselves were prohibited from wearing them, with the ruling body

752
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Speaker 3: claiming that it would be an inappropriate display of a

753
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Speaker 3: religious symbol at one of the world's largest events.

754
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Speaker 2: This is a.

755
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Speaker 3: Big law in France. Doesn't get consistently used, no, but

756
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 3: that there is a whole law that they have around them. Okay,

757
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 3: so because of that, there is an activist organization in

758
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Speaker 3: France trying to combat this, called Basque Portu Basketball For All,

759
00:41:56,520 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 3: an estimated ten percent of the French population is mum,

760
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 3: and as some have rightly pointed out, it seems that

761
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,760
Speaker 3: Christian crosses on necklaces are just fine.

762
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 4: Right.

763
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Speaker 3: But in the words of Amnesty International researcher and a

764
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Speaker 3: Blues quote by proudly claiming that the Games will be

765
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Speaker 3: gender equal. The French authorities are exposing their own hypocrisy

766
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: of celebrating such alleged advancements while at the same time

767
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Speaker 3: discriminating against Muslim women and girls through hijab bands in sports,

768
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 3: and as a reminder, while more researchers needed, several studies

769
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: that have been conducted suggests that uniform things like this

770
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Speaker 3: to ter women from participating in sports, whether it is

771
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 3: the sexualized uniform or something like this, because they did

772
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Speaker 3: interview young Muslim girls who were like, well, I guess

773
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Speaker 3: I can't play it then, So that's a big deal

774
00:42:48,080 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: in something we should be talking about more. Also, just

775
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: briefly politics, it's always interesting to watch the Olympics because

776
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: you know, not everyone gets long. So you got all

777
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: these countries here and there's just some real delicate dancing

778
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: of what's going on. And yeah, the politics of the

779
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 3: Olympics are generally messy because yeah, it doesn't erase what's

780
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 3: happening in the world. So, for instance, there were a

781
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: lot of scandals and issues around Russia. But I did

782
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Speaker 3: want to highlight one women based one around Afghanistan. Under

783
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: Afghanistans Taliban regime, women are prohibited from participating in sports. However,

784
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 3: three women were allowed to attend the Olympics to compete,

785
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: though the government did not officially recognize them, instead only

786
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 3: recognizing the three men and the delegation. The fact that

787
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 3: the IOC allowed Afghanistan to compete gave legitimacy to the

788
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Speaker 3: unrecognized Taliban regime, at least according to a lot of

789
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Speaker 3: stuff I read, and a lot of the pieces I

790
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: read about it, and undermined any goals of gender parody.

791
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Speaker 2: According to some.

792
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Speaker 3: A woman from Afghanistan who was competing in the breaking

793
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 3: contest was disqualified for displaying a flag that read free

794
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Speaker 3: Afghan Women, because again, you can't have you're not supposed

795
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Speaker 3: to have political.

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Speaker 4: Symbols, right right, Yeah, which is brave on hurry anyway

797
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 4: in general.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and then just I know we've talked about

799
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 5: this before, but just to note, as we've discussed, sporting

800
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:36,280
Speaker 5: events like this tend to cost exorbitant amounts of money,

801
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 5: typically don't pay off, and harm those that are most marginalized.

802
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: There was a lot of discussion around the unhoused and

803
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 3: migrants being hidden away, forced out, and these are people

804
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 3: who could use government support while that money is going

805
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: to news stadium that may or may not be used again.

806
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: Maybe they could have used something else that was already

807
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: pretty good. On top of that, there were stories of

808
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 3: unpaid and under paid migrant labor being used to construct

809
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 3: these stadiums or things like that. So yep, so that

810
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 3: brings us to some wins. Like I said, I kind

811
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 3: of ran out of steam. I was getting all riled up,

812
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 3: and this is like, I'm sure there's so much more

813
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 3: we could talk about, but I didn't want to talk

814
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 3: about some ended on a little bit of an upbeat.

815
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Speaker 3: So yes, I despite all of this, and I know

816
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 3: there's a lot more. There were plenty of uplifting wins

817
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 3: for women. We already went over some of them, but

818
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 3: here's a few, and let us know if there's one

819
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 3: you really want us to talk about.

820
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Speaker 2: Because there were so many records broken and so many.

821
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Speaker 3: First yes, especially of people listeners around the world, please

822
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 3: write them and let us know. Yeah, one thing I

823
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 3: want to shout out is that there were several older

824
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: women competing this time around. Yeah, a lot of times

825
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 3: in the Olympics, it can be very they're twenty five,

826
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Speaker 3: they're ancient. Which, by the way, I did see a

827
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Speaker 3: list that puts some warm biles on the older end,

828
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Speaker 3: and I get it, like historically, yes, but she's.

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Speaker 1: Told gymnastic right.

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Speaker 4: For gymnastics in itself, they usually don't like remember the

831
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:11,400
Speaker 4: back in the day, they were all like eighteen seventeen,

832
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 4: They're like, what or sixteen? I mean we have skaters

833
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 4: that are at fourteen.

834
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 3: I know, Oh, I saw a pretty cute interview with

835
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Speaker 3: the skater. This is like, oh my god, you're so young.

836
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 3: But yeah, there were there were a lot more across

837
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 3: the spectrum. There were plenty of young competitors that were

838
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 3: so inspiring, and there were plenty of older competitors that

839
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 3: were so inspiring. It's not equal by any means, but

840
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 3: it was cool to like see the mix, and it

841
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: was cool to hear like younger players talking about someone

842
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: they might be competing with or competing against.

843
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 2: And how they inspired them. That was really neat. So

844
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: just a few a few things.

845
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 3: In track and field, the US's Sydney McLaughlin Laverne beat

846
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 3: her own record in the four hundred meter hurdles. In swimming,

847
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 3: USA's Katie the Decki performance put her at her fourth

848
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 3: Olympic Games gave her her eighth medal she's died for

849
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,360
Speaker 3: most gold medals earned and women's swimming and most gold

850
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: medals one by woman. Olympian simoone Biles won the gold

851
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 3: medal for the vault named after her. I did see

852
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 3: a quote from her recently where she was like, I

853
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,879
Speaker 3: will never do it again because I did it good

854
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: enough and.

855
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Speaker 2: Died lives perfect. I have no notes. I'm good.

856
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that she is the most decorated US

857
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 3: gymnast in Olympic history. And then I wanted to talk

858
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Speaker 3: about this because recently, when I did my overview of

859
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,360
Speaker 3: things I really enjoyed or got sucked into. When I

860
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 3: was watching the Olympics, some of you may have noticed

861
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 3: a glaring omission. I did not mention women's rugby. I

862
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,759
Speaker 3: missed it, which is a shame because it sounds like

863
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 3: it was a real rollercoaster of a game.

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Speaker 2: I was watching some of the clips last night. Ooh,

865
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Speaker 2: I would have been so tense. A good check of

866
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: my friends in college played rugby at one time or

867
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: the other, so I do have fun memories of it,

868
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 2: although they usually got injured pretty good.

869
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah.

870
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, when I look at rugby, I'm like, at wow, damaging,

871
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 4: I will say, I also did not watch it, but

872
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Speaker 4: the clips that I've seen professional, Oh.

873
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Speaker 3: So good, perfection great, and I love reading the quotes

874
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Speaker 3: about it.

875
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 2: It's so great.

876
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 3: Anyway, the US women's rugby team pulled off a surprise upset,

877
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 3: beating Australia for a bronze US women's first ever medal

878
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: in sevens, as it's called.

879
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Speaker 2: This win spurred a whole bunch of interest and donations

880
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Speaker 2: for women's rugby, including some celebrities doing.

881
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 1: Some millions of dollars. I know about up their game.

882
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 2: They watching their game. Oh it was so good.

883
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,320
Speaker 3: But throughout all of this, there was discussion about player

884
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:55,759
Speaker 3: Alona Mars body type and her BMI that has been

885
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 3: going on online. So here's a quote from people, and

886
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 3: this is a TikTok comment exchange quote. I bet that

887
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: person is a thirty percent BMI, wrote one commenter, who

888
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 3: has since deleted their account on one of Mars's TikTok videos,

889
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Speaker 3: which prompted the Olympian to film a response. Hi, thank

890
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Speaker 3: you for this comment. I think you were trying to

891
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: roast me, but this is actually a fact. I do

892
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: have a BMI of thirty well twenty nine point three

893
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 3: to be exact. Mar began in her video, which has

894
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Speaker 3: been viewed more than four point three million times and

895
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Speaker 3: liked more than six hundred and twenty nine thousand times.

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Speaker 4: Right, and she went on and saying, I remember vividly

897
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,880
Speaker 4: in high school one time I had to turn a

898
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Speaker 4: physical into the office and right at the bottom of

899
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Speaker 4: the page it said overweight. And I was so embarrassed

900
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Speaker 4: to turn that in and have that written there, She said,

901
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Speaker 4: my whole life, I've been this way. BMI doesn't tell

902
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Speaker 4: you what I can do. It doesn't tell you what

903
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Speaker 4: I can do on the field, how fit I am.

904
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Speaker 4: It's just a couple of numbers put together. Mar said,

905
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Speaker 4: it doesn't tell you how much muscle I have or

906
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 4: anything like that. So, yeah, I do have a BMA

907
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 4: of thirty, I considered overweight. And by the way, even

908
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 4: before she has been a huge catalyst on my body image,

909
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 4: being feminine while not being what was considered feminine at

910
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Speaker 4: the time, and loving herself and loving her body and

911
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 4: just like being she's hilarious on TikTok. Yeah, if you

912
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Speaker 4: have a chance to watch any of hers, which that's

913
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Speaker 4: how I found her. Not because of rugby, because I

914
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Speaker 4: know nothing, but because of TikTok, and that was like.

915
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Speaker 1: Over a couple of years ago. I was like, who

916
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Speaker 1: is this funny person and should I like her?

917
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Speaker 4: She is y.

918
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she's been around for a long time doing

919
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Speaker 3: this and she also we discussed when I was doing

920
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Speaker 3: my like what I loved about this Olympics. I said,

921
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 3: this is a lot of memes. There's a meme of

922
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Speaker 3: her just like powering through the field.

923
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,520
Speaker 4: Like not y, like literally grabbing someone by the face

924
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 4: and slamming them to the ground, one of my favorites.

925
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 1: It made no sense. I'll just sat there, Like what I.

926
00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: Did appreciate When I was reading this I cooker at

927
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Speaker 3: risk and I read some of the comments under the

928
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Speaker 3: people article and people were like, did the commenter over

929
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 3: in a bronze medal?

930
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Speaker 2: I think not.

931
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Speaker 3: Like people were on her side, and it made me

932
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Speaker 3: very happy to see that because that often is not

933
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Speaker 3: the case in our online spaces.

934
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Speaker 2: But I appreciated that.

935
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Speaker 3: In a different post, she said, as the Olympics officially

936
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Speaker 3: start today, I want you all to take a look

937
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 3: at all the different body types on display. All body

938
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: types matter, All body types are worthy, from the smallest

939
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: gymnast to the tallest volleyball player, from a rugby player

940
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: to the shot putter to a sprinter. All body types

941
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 3: are beautiful and do amazing things. So truly see yourself

942
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: in these athletes and know that you can do it too.

943
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 1: I don't know. I definitely can't run.

944
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: You'll find a sport for you.

945
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 4: I was actually pretty good at discus throwing, to the

946
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 4: point that I did it accidentally. And we had, you know,

947
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 4: the summer children's games. In the school games, they assign

948
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 4: you like it's an Olympics. They assigned me that and

949
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 4: I flopped because I was so good when the initial

950
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 4: when I didn't know what was happening, I was like

951
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 4: this discus and they're like, oh, you do so maybe

952
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 4: we're gonna put you on the team. I was like, okay,

953
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 4: what and then I flopped real hard. I think it

954
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 4: didn't go anywhere. I think with the opposite direction. It

955
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 4: was one of those I was like, I gotta go

956
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 4: home now.

957
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: I understand. Sometimes something goes wrong, the pressure gets to

958
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: you something and you just doesn't work out.

959
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: Third grade, it was sad. That's all right, Scarred obviously.

960
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 2: Maybe it's time for you to have a come back.

961
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

962
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: I've been scared ever since.

963
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: That's yeah, okay, all right, all right, well I did

964
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 3: there has been unfortunately, there's been so much criticism and

965
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 3: judgment of women's bodies. There always is at these kinds

966
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: of things, So I think it's got better. I was

967
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised, as I said that, the comments under this

968
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: article were very supportive. And that's part of why I'm

969
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: putting this.

970
00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: In the win column. Yes, because I feel like history

971
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 2: is on her.

972
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 3: Side and I'm glad that she is here saying it

973
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 3: and that the rugby team is getting all of this

974
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 3: recognition rightfully.

975
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm excited to say, I'm hoping kind of like

976
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,319
Speaker 4: how women's soccer and I know men's soccer for a while,

977
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 4: but really women's soccer to at one point really brought

978
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 4: up people's interests in soccer. Men's soccer too, I know,

979
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 4: especially when they actually made it to the World Cup

980
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 4: rug what wow. But women's soccer, because they kept winning,

981
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 4: actually winning for a while while, that really brought up

982
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 4: a lot of interest, which is not a typical sport.

983
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 4: The most popular sport of sport always in the US.

984
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 4: It is more popular now, but if you think about

985
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 4: like ten fifteen twenty years ago it wasn't, which is

986
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 4: unfortunate because it's a great sport. But football is going

987
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 4: to be around, Basketball is always going to be softball,

988
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 4: and baseball is definitely going to be around. But I'm

989
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: hoping rugby, I don't know if they can. Can you

990
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 4: do that in high school? That seems like a hus

991
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:01,320
Speaker 4: liability that sport.

992
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just putting it.

993
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 4: On that because I don't know one mile rugby player.

994
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 4: I don't know the one. Yeah, the women I know, Now,

995
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 4: that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't know about

996
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 4: the men, but I know about more. Don't you worry?

997
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:22,479
Speaker 2: Yeah? And I did read.

998
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 3: Actually I think this was a comment one of the

999
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: commentators made. It was it was about the basketball. You know,

1000
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 3: women's US women's basketball, they've won eight times in row. Yeah,

1001
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: and they were saying they were kind of in shock

1002
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 3: that it was so close.

1003
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: I guess because this has just been a dynasty. But

1004
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: one of the women brought.

1005
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 3: Up, well, because people are seeing more and more women

1006
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 3: do this and do it well, the competition is getting

1007
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: stronger from other places that you might not typically associate

1008
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 3: with winning in basketball or whatever it is. Because women's

1009
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: sport is becoming more popular and things like more broadcasts

1010
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 3: and all of that that there are more competitors now,

1011
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: which is a great thing which we love to see. Yes,

1012
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 3: we do love to see it. So that's that's great. Oh, yes,

1013
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 3: there's so much we could talk about. Would love to

1014
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 3: hear from you listeners if we miss anything. As mentioned,

1015
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 3: the Paralympics are coming up. They are also working on

1016
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,320
Speaker 3: gender parody, though at the time of recording, officials believe

1017
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Speaker 3: that only forty two percent of the athletes will be women,

1018
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: which is about the same percentage as in Tokyo Olympics,

1019
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 3: but that could change based on final numbers. But we'll

1020
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 3: check back in.

1021
00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:47,880
Speaker 4: And if you're not following their TikTok whoever their social

1022
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 4: media person is, they're great.

1023
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Speaker 1: They have gained a lot of attention for it and.

1024
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Speaker 3: I love it, yes, yes, and I really appreciated that too.

1025
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Speaker 3: About how many athletes during would say, like, you know,

1026
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: when they're like, what does this win? Meet you at

1027
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: the end, they would be like, watch a Paralympics.

1028
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Speaker 1: Right, yes, and was one of those mm hmmmm hmm.

1029
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So we'll check back in on that.

1030
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Speaker 3: Let us know if there's any anything you're excited about,

1031
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,320
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