Speaker 1: Where are you?
Speaker 2: And I'm so sorry, sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: UFOs have been coming up in a conversation pretty often.
Speaker 3: And you know, if you were, if you were of
Speaker 3: a certain generation decades back, you would have listened to
Speaker 3: Blink one two with no idea how deep they got
Speaker 3: into UFOs.
Speaker 4: You wouldn't believe it. This is such a wild ride
Speaker 4: again still twenty eighteen. This is around the time when
Speaker 4: UAP was starting to come become a big thing, right,
Speaker 4: we were getting some of the first naval footage. Right
Speaker 4: around this time, Tom DeLong comes out. He's got this
Speaker 4: new thing. This is all exciting, and now I want
Speaker 4: to say, he's kind of I don't know, guys, what
Speaker 4: are you guy?
Speaker 5: He's the guy he cracked the case for all intents
Speaker 5: and purposes, things that he discovered through his organization. What
Speaker 5: of the two Stars Academy and very people that did
Speaker 5: trust him and spoke to him.
Speaker 1: Certain things have come to light.
Speaker 5: You can thank the guy that's saying, don't waste your
Speaker 5: time on me. You're already the ghost inside my head.
Speaker 4: And guys, we're joined with a special guest for this episode.
Speaker 3: That's right, John go Forth, good pal of ours from
Speaker 3: a show called Hysteria fifty one and we kick it
Speaker 3: with John and we examine as objectively as we could.
Speaker 3: In twenty eighteen the idea of Tom's new mission, and
Speaker 3: this is sort of a time capsule episode. Folks, We
Speaker 3: would love to hear what you think about this in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, so tune in and also, you know,
Speaker 3: write to us if an alien contacts.
Speaker 4: You, and hey, let's go and do it right now, guys,
Speaker 4: shout out to Tom. Hey, Tom, mister DeLong, I guess
Speaker 4: if you're around and want to talk about this stuff,
Speaker 4: we'd love to actually have a chat with you.
Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is
Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
Speaker 3: learn the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol
Speaker 4: Is on Adventures, but.
Speaker 3: Will be rejoining us at some point in the future.
Speaker 3: In the meantime, they call me Ben. We are with
Speaker 3: our super producer Paul Deckant. Most importantly, you are you,
Speaker 3: and you are here, and that makes this stuff they
Speaker 3: don't want you to know. Matt. Yes, now you're a musician.
Speaker 3: That's something that longtime listeners are aware of, right, correct,
Speaker 3: And I can vouch for friends and neighbors. He is
Speaker 3: a cracker jack percussionist.
Speaker 4: You know, Travis Barker. But I am I am fairly
Speaker 4: good at what I do.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan personally. And
Speaker 3: it's strange because rock and roll. Since we mentioned Travis
Speaker 3: Parker drummer Blink one e two, right, rock and roll
Speaker 3: occupies such a unique niche in the American zeitgeist, in
Speaker 3: our culture and our history and on and on and on.
Speaker 3: There's another thing that seems very American in our culture,
Speaker 3: and that's the concept of UFOs, right.
Speaker 4: Oh sure, Yeah. We have all this vast lands like
Speaker 4: land out in the West that's just devoid of anything
Speaker 4: but military bases and flying objects that we don't know
Speaker 4: what they.
Speaker 3: Are, and weirdos.
Speaker 4: There are a lot of people in cool things out
Speaker 4: there too, in wildlife, but you know, things going around
Speaker 4: in the sky that blink. That's my favorite part of
Speaker 4: it at least.
Speaker 3: So today we are exploring some strange facets of this
Speaker 3: zeitgeist in a way that is full disclosure, kind of
Speaker 3: new to us. But we are not sallying forth into
Speaker 3: this territory alone. No, ladies and gentlemen. Today we are
Speaker 3: joined by a very special guest, the friend of the show,
Speaker 3: who is going to provide some cognitive firepower, some intellectual
Speaker 3: ammunition to today's exploration. And we'd like to let the
Speaker 3: badger out of the bag and introduce him in person. Now,
Speaker 3: friends and neighbors, skeptics and fellow conspiracy realists alike, presenting
Speaker 3: John go Forth.
Speaker 1: The intellectual part you might have overstated, but I'll do
Speaker 1: my best.
Speaker 4: Oh, don't be silly, John go Forth. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: say this right now. He is the host of Hysteria
Speaker 4: fifty one, one of the co hosts of Hysteria fifty one,
Speaker 4: not the best, and I mean isn't gonna say the best,
Speaker 4: but my favorite.
Speaker 1: One definitively not the best one. There's three of us.
Speaker 1: It's myself, my my co host, Brent Hand, and then
Speaker 1: our our third co host is an angry robot bent
Speaker 1: on world domination named conspiracy Bot. But he normally doesn't
Speaker 1: succeed because he's too busy drinking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have a clip of conspiracy Bot that
Speaker 3: some of you may recognize.
Speaker 4: Stay Woke, Meet Sex.
Speaker 1: He always says that he does he does it makes.
Speaker 4: Me wonder about you know, you guys, aligning yourself with
Speaker 4: such a character.
Speaker 1: We built him to help edit and produce the show,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately he spends most of his time just drinking
Speaker 1: and spending our money.
Speaker 3: Ah man, Yeah, that's my my Amazon Ale says like that.
Speaker 1: If you can't tell we we are we. While we
Speaker 1: do focus on conspiracy theories and mysteries, the unusual, UFOs,
Speaker 1: the unexplained, we certainly also are rooted a bit in comedy, sure,
Speaker 1: and so we try to get our facts right, but
Speaker 1: we have a lot of try to have a lot
Speaker 1: of fun doing it, much like you guys do.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, flattered, and thank you for coming on
Speaker 3: the show today.
Speaker 4: John.
Speaker 3: We're talking about this off here. We were originally kicking
Speaker 3: around some ideas collectively and we were thinking, well, what
Speaker 3: would what would we like to explore and our time
Speaker 3: together today, And the thing that we all kept running
Speaker 3: into was the fascinating story of disclosure. The concept is
Speaker 3: going to be familiar to a lot of listeners of
Speaker 3: Hysteria fifty one, a lot of listeners of stuff they
Speaker 3: didn't want you to know. But it may also sound
Speaker 3: very vague and foreboding and mysterious or maybe just vague
Speaker 3: to quite a few people. So maybe we start today's
Speaker 3: episode by looking at the facts first. This concept disclosure,
Speaker 3: what is it exactly? How would you phrase it?
Speaker 1: Simply the reveal of classic information that the United States
Speaker 1: government is in possession of, typically as it relates to
Speaker 1: extraterrestrials having visited this earth.
Speaker 3: Okay, So then this concept would be separate categorically from say,
Speaker 3: proven events that were classified and later disclosed, like the
Speaker 3: Tuskegee syphilis experiments, or say M. K Ultra or something.
Speaker 1: Right. I think typically when we in the in the
Speaker 1: paranormal UFO Mysterious universe talk about disclosure, we're talking about
Speaker 1: something that hasn't happened yet and that many are looking
Speaker 1: forward to and believe will happen one day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, disclosure has been imminent since I've known about disclosure,
Speaker 4: and that's been about fifteen years for me, since I
Speaker 4: understood what it meant.
Speaker 1: Also a great Michael Douglas Fleck, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: But I like that you say it's all ways eternally imminent,
Speaker 1: and it's like Iran getting the bomb.
Speaker 3: It's like the Rapture or the characters Alice in Wonderland
Speaker 3: finally getting jam right. It's always on the cusp of occurring,
Speaker 3: but hasn't quite occurred. To Matt, you said something really interesting,
Speaker 3: Oh did I for years? It's been imminent, because you
Speaker 3: see list a specific number of years.
Speaker 4: Oh well, that's just since I've known about it. However,
Speaker 4: when it first popped on the radar, I was still
Speaker 4: in I was still in high school. And it was
Speaker 4: in two thousand and one, and there was this big
Speaker 4: gathering at the National Press Club with all of these
Speaker 4: people that were experts in their fields, most of them
Speaker 4: from the military, ex military, retired gentlemen, and they all
Speaker 4: came forward and gave their personal stories about experiencing something
Speaker 4: that they considered a UFO that they believe was probably
Speaker 4: in their opinion, of extraterrestrial origin. Some of them was
Speaker 4: that the Stephen Greer event, That is the Stephen Stephen
Speaker 4: Greer Okay, yeah, doctor Stephen Greer apologies, Yes, yes.
Speaker 3: We interviewed on a previous episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we talked about some of that at length.
Speaker 4: That moment in two thousand and one is when I
Speaker 4: think a lot of people really started understanding, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: there is there could be something here. Because it gave
Speaker 4: such legitimacy to it with the characters that were involved.
Speaker 4: And that kind of thing has happened a few more
Speaker 4: times over the years, and you know, it certainly feels
Speaker 4: like there might be something, if there's something happening soon.
Speaker 3: Right, Or is it just another series of examples showing
Speaker 3: us how effective resorting to authoritative titles can be. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, that's the that's a Breneze tactic
Speaker 3: from the days of yore. Just make something that sounds
Speaker 3: and pure enough. Have someone like, for instance, if you
Speaker 3: heard some schmuck named Ben Bolen said that it turns
Speaker 3: out bacon is bad for you, or that gluten will
Speaker 3: cause you to grow webs between your fingers, then who's
Speaker 3: that guy? What the heck does he know? But if
Speaker 3: it's like doctor Ben Bollen, PhD. The third whatever, you
Speaker 3: add these stylings on, you know, and you add this
Speaker 3: association with these highly credible organizations, then it becomes easier
Speaker 3: to accept whatever they say. I don't know, I'm.
Speaker 4: I think you're right in this instance, in this specific instance,
Speaker 4: these were people with actual biographies, with actual credentials, And
Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't just some guy. It was actual
Speaker 4: people that you could look up.
Speaker 1: And even before then there have been examples of disclosure
Speaker 1: either happening or supposedly happening, yes or not happy when
Speaker 1: it was expected. I mean, going back all the way
Speaker 1: to Project blue Book.
Speaker 3: I'm really glad you mentioned it. Yeah. So, Project blue Book,
Speaker 3: which sure is very familiar to a lot of people,
Speaker 3: was one of a larger umbrella of studies launched by
Speaker 3: the US government, specifically the military and Air Force, to
Speaker 3: investigate unidentified aerial phenomenons not necessarily a craft, not necessarily
Speaker 3: an alien. Could have been anything from a balloon to
Speaker 3: a strange cloud, to ball lightning to weird looking bird.
Speaker 3: But they spent years doing this correct and they didn't
Speaker 3: identify everything.
Speaker 1: Started in fifty two, ended in sixty nine, and they
Speaker 1: came out and said afterwards, don't worry about it. Nothing
Speaker 1: to see here, after all of our studying it it
Speaker 1: basically it was swamp gas.
Speaker 4: Yeah right. And there were some previous iterations of blue
Speaker 4: Book and post iterations of it, but nothing was ever
Speaker 4: taken as seriously as blue Book was. I don't, at
Speaker 4: least not that I've ever found.
Speaker 1: Not that's been disclosed. Oh oh, there we go.
Speaker 3: I think we earned that one at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So Blue Book had thousands of reports that they sifted through,
Speaker 3: and in the end most of them were somehow explained
Speaker 3: at least to their satisfaction. But they still didn't explain everything.
Speaker 3: And that is a fact that would tantalize and haunt
Speaker 3: people who believe in the extraterrestrial origin of UFOs for
Speaker 3: decades to come. Because again nineteen sixty nine, from what
Speaker 3: fifty two to sixty nine you said, Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: long long time. It makes you wonder if they weren't
Speaker 3: finding anything, if everything was so worthless, then why did
Speaker 3: it continue for so long?
Speaker 1: The same could be said for MK ultra. You know
Speaker 1: there are there are so many project stargate when they
Speaker 1: were looking at you know, viewing, Why did these things
Speaker 1: go on for decades if nothing was coming of it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean you got to spend that budget
Speaker 4: somehow so that you can get that budget plus more
Speaker 4: next year.
Speaker 1: Welcome to our bureaucracy, right.
Speaker 3: Because otherwise that is a true story that Matt is
Speaker 3: referring to, or true true phenomenon that occurs.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunately a fact that in many cases, especially in
Speaker 3: government organizations, if the entirety of a budget is not
Speaker 3: spent by the end of the fiscal year, then it
Speaker 3: will be cut to the amount that was spent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, there were talking about blue Book.
Speaker 1: They said there was nothing to see here. There's are
Speaker 1: much more recent example, much more recent than Stephen Greer
Speaker 1: that they said there is something to see here. And
Speaker 1: this was kind of mind boggling to me that they
Speaker 1: that we found out about the black money project on
Speaker 1: the side that the Pentagon had going on the Advanced
Speaker 1: Aviation Threat Identification or a TIP program headed by Luis Eleisondo,
Speaker 1: and Luis left the program and then went public with it,
Speaker 1: along with video that the Department of Defense released from
Speaker 1: a two thousand and four encounter near San Diego of
Speaker 1: two Navy FA eighteen's I don't want to say dueling,
Speaker 1: but dancing with a unknown object that was moving, according
Speaker 1: to Alexondo, in ways that are not currently possible with
Speaker 1: anything that we have in our inventory in the US
Speaker 1: or any foreign inventory that we're aware of.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And the reason it's important to point out
Speaker 3: that these were two pilots is because they were using
Speaker 3: identical sensory systems that were coming from different positions and
Speaker 3: they were seeing things that correlate both with their own
Speaker 3: eye Witnes this experience, which as we know, is relatively
Speaker 3: worthless a lot of times more importantly with their computer systems.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of signals intelligence that you're getting
Speaker 4: from that from that video, and we actually interviewed Jeremy Corbel,
Speaker 4: one of the people that was working to I guess
Speaker 4: disclose some of that stuff and get it out there.
Speaker 4: And if you are interested in learning that full story,
Speaker 4: just look up how the US secretly tracked UFOs with
Speaker 4: Jeremy Corbel and you can find that episode. Have you
Speaker 4: guys ever done anything on Hysteria about that specific program?
Speaker 1: As you know, in this world, a lot of different
Speaker 1: stories and topics overlap and touch and we've touched on
Speaker 1: it on a few episodes, gotch. But we're actually in
Speaker 1: the coming month or so going to be released in
Speaker 1: a two parter on just generalized disclosure, and that will
Speaker 1: certainly be part of it.
Speaker 3: Beautiful something to look forward to, right, Oh yes, And
Speaker 3: what we're establishing here with this rough timeline, this this
Speaker 3: quick look at the highlights of disclosure is that while
Speaker 3: it may sound like a thing that occurred in the past,
Speaker 3: or a matter of all smoke no flame. The fact
Speaker 3: of the situation is that this is continuing in some
Speaker 3: way today. There will be people who tell you that
Speaker 3: disclosure as a concept will ultimately only reveal advanced aircraft
Speaker 3: that are entirely mundane and earthmade, and that they're just
Speaker 3: being held back as a matter of national security. You'll
Speaker 3: also hear people saying no, not only of extraterrestrials for
Speaker 3: some reason landed on Earth and decided to keep it
Speaker 3: a secret, but they're actually in charge of things, and
Speaker 3: they figured the most direct way to break the news
Speaker 3: to us would be a gradual program of showing us
Speaker 3: various tropes in fiction.
Speaker 1: Yep, it's perfect sense.
Speaker 3: What I like is how straightforward.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and and having very popular musicians right songs
Speaker 4: like track three off of Blink one eighty two's Anema
Speaker 4: of the State Aliens exist.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad you brought that up, Matt. This
Speaker 3: might seem like a switch in conversation, but I think
Speaker 3: this has been on our collective mind for a for
Speaker 3: some time. But I don't know a whole lot about
Speaker 3: Blink one eighty two. Can you guys break it down
Speaker 3: for me? I remember some of the songs.
Speaker 1: Where to start. So three members of the band. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's Mark Hoppis, there's the aforementioned Travis Barker, and then
Speaker 1: a former member is named Tom DeLong. Oh he quit,
Speaker 1: He is no longer a part of that's true.
Speaker 4: So he's left a couple of times.
Speaker 3: Oh, he's left, and he's come, he's returned.
Speaker 4: M hm. Oh.
Speaker 3: Well, I guess success and fame can lead to rocky
Speaker 3: relationships at times.
Speaker 1: So it's true many a band well. And also plane
Speaker 1: crash is trying to Barker. Yes, side note, almost died
Speaker 1: in a plane crash, walked away from it.
Speaker 4: He was one of the only two survivors.
Speaker 3: Yeah, holy smokes, I had no idea. He's the one
Speaker 3: who's covered with tattoos, right, that's correct.
Speaker 4: Yes, the drummer.
Speaker 3: How unplugged I am. My knowledge of pop culture goes
Speaker 3: to about the late eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the whole Tom DeLong leaving thing. There are
Speaker 4: some stories about painkiller addiction that he was probably going
Speaker 4: through at the time. But he also, you know, he
Speaker 4: had a family and some of the other one of
Speaker 4: the other members I think, had a family, and it
Speaker 4: was like that old an age old story of a
Speaker 4: band getting really big and touring all the time, but
Speaker 4: then having a family, and how do I spend time
Speaker 4: with them and still be on tour making all this
Speaker 4: ridiculous amount of money.
Speaker 1: And they I've seen him actually a few times when
Speaker 1: they were a fully formed band, And yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: what a great band. Yeah, some of the great I
Speaker 1: think you mentioned before, you know, pop punk, Yeah, anthems
Speaker 1: of their generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, very I mean, very catchy songwriting and well
Speaker 3: written stuff of my aware. One thing I did learn
Speaker 3: about them off air was that I think the guitarist
Speaker 3: Tom DeLong was replaced by a guitarist from the Alkaline Trio.
Speaker 3: If you remember them.
Speaker 4: Is that when they were playing in I know, they
Speaker 4: made like a supergroup at some point. I think it
Speaker 4: was called forty four or something to that effect. But
Speaker 4: there was a super group after Tom left and it
Speaker 4: was pretty awesome too.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that that band was great. But I think
Speaker 1: what Ben's talking about is literally they are touring as
Speaker 1: Blink one eighty two. Yeah, minus Tom DeLong plus the
Speaker 1: guy from Alcali.
Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: They're literally playing riot Fest in Chicago this coming fall.
Speaker 4: Holy mackerel. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Are you going to go?
Speaker 1: I go to rite Fest every year. It's my favorite
Speaker 1: concert festival.
Speaker 4: So why are we talking about Yes, so.
Speaker 3: Some people may think, and quite reasonably so, that we
Speaker 3: have taken one of our long and not uncommon tangents
Speaker 3: into pop culture. However, that is not entirely true. We're
Speaker 3: doing this for a reason. So the next question is
Speaker 3: what do these two things Disclosure and Blink one eighty
Speaker 3: two have in common? Will tell you after a word
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Speaker 3: out that Disclosure, in its most extreme form, that being
Speaker 3: the concept of extraterrestrial contact with humanity, and the famous
Speaker 3: pop punk band Blink one eighty two do have a connection,
Speaker 3: a real one, a vital one that continues today.
Speaker 1: Yes, the aforementioned Tom DeLong ding.
Speaker 3: Ding hole in one John, thank you? So what what
Speaker 3: what happened? How did Tom DeLong become involved in this concept?
Speaker 1: Well, if according to Tom, he's been interested and involved
Speaker 1: in this concept since he was a small lad yeh
Speaker 1: and uh and and and was always looked to the
Speaker 1: heavens and wondered what was out there? Then, as as
Speaker 1: Blink wented too started touring. Obviously, this is pre iPad
Speaker 1: or anything like that. He needed a way to kill
Speaker 1: all the time in the tour bus because they weren't
Speaker 1: flying anywhere yet. So he read every alien UFO related
Speaker 1: conspiracy book that he could lay his hands on, and
Speaker 1: that that thus began his lifelong obsession with extraterrestrials and UFOs.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this he's not a Johnny come lately. He
Speaker 3: has been heavily invested in this.
Speaker 4: Yes, he read a lot, He read a lot, A fan,
Speaker 4: a huge fan, I think, Yeah, one could say an enthusiast.
Speaker 4: But he's not an expert, right, So like there's a
Speaker 4: difference between somebody who in a field has been studying
Speaker 4: something like physics and then you, you know, become a
Speaker 4: physics expert. With ufology. It's a little difficult, right because
Speaker 4: you can really, I mean, you can look to the
Speaker 4: heavens as much as you want, try and take data
Speaker 4: as much as you can see if you can have
Speaker 4: an experience of a UFO over time, learn about it
Speaker 4: that way, or you can just read the accounts of
Speaker 4: other people who have experienced UFOs or believe to have
Speaker 4: experienced UFOs. So it's difficult to even become an expert
Speaker 4: in something like that. And I don't mean to throw
Speaker 4: shade at Tom, it's just he's he's an enthusiast, non expert.
Speaker 3: Well, there's a difficult there's a difficult pickle there because
Speaker 3: there is no well I don't want to spoil an
Speaker 3: idea for an upcoming episode, but it's a great question.
Speaker 3: How does one become a ufologist? Is there an accredited
Speaker 3: program at a school. Is there is some sort of
Speaker 3: you know, apprenticeship to journeymen to master kind of tradition
Speaker 3: of education. The truth of the matter is, at this
Speaker 3: point there's not one, at least not one that everyone
Speaker 3: agrees upon. So therefore the closest things to a ufologist
Speaker 3: would be things like an astronomer, because that sort of
Speaker 3: educational hierarchy exists, Or it would be as someone who
Speaker 3: is accepted by other people who consider themselves ufologists as
Speaker 3: one of their own.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was reading the back of a comic book, and
Speaker 1: for the low low price of two hundred nine and
Speaker 1: nine dollars I could send away for an accreditation, So yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh that's great. And I think that's obviously
Speaker 1: universally now and accepted.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the Universal Life UFO Church.
Speaker 1: Also ordained. Yes to me too, it is not ordained.
Speaker 4: Got a table full of ministers here.
Speaker 3: Hey, Paul, are you ordained with the Church of Universal
Speaker 3: Life yet? Oh? Paul said no, Okay, But I would say.
Speaker 4: I think the closest thing would be an aeronautics expert. Sure,
Speaker 4: someone who studies things that fly around already or builds them,
Speaker 4: or you know, knows the physics to a t about
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, narrow space engineer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. And I think the root of that,
Speaker 1: like in all seriousness, is having a science backed approach
Speaker 1: to it. So many are armchair experts that that do
Speaker 1: it from a Google search, from a Wikipedia search and
Speaker 1: then claim to be ufologists. It takes a big thing
Speaker 1: that we like to talk about on our show is
Speaker 1: are we applying in one way, shape or form the
Speaker 1: scientific method to this. Obviously a citing isn't repeatable, but
Speaker 1: there are other things that are repeatable, and can we
Speaker 1: look through that prism? And I think, to me, that's
Speaker 1: the closest I get to looking at someone and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like that title for that person.
Speaker 3: Right right? Are the results reproducible. If so, to what
Speaker 3: degree are we exercising Which of the c's are we
Speaker 3: exercising critical thinking or confirmation bias?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: And it's it's tough to see those because often, oddly enough,
Speaker 3: in the heat of the moment or in the heat
Speaker 3: of a passionate belief, people will conflate the two. Right, So,
Speaker 3: if person A doesn't agree with person b's confirmation bias,
Speaker 3: then to person B, person A is not executing critical thinking, because,
Speaker 3: of course it's true open your eyes, sheeple, Yeah, which
Speaker 3: I know sounds a little bit a little bit dismissive
Speaker 3: on my part, but I think it's important for us
Speaker 3: to say that. And it's also important for us to
Speaker 3: note that Tom DeLong has not just been, you know,
Speaker 3: occasionally popping off at interviews saying I quit blink one
Speaker 3: eighty two because I'm interested in reading about something. He has,
Speaker 3: to his credit, put his money where his mouth is,
Speaker 3: as the old saying goes, And he's not just reading books.
Speaker 3: He's become an activist by his own account, and according
Speaker 3: to numerous statements, he is actually following through with activism.
Speaker 3: But in what way, like what specifically sticks out for
Speaker 3: us as far as what he has.
Speaker 4: Done well, just like we were talking about with experts
Speaker 4: in bringing back to that Ben, he has surrounded himself
Speaker 4: by a group of what he calls his core team
Speaker 4: and created a brand new company called to the Stars
Speaker 4: Academy of Arts and Sciences, which you know, I saw
Speaker 4: your face John when when I said that, let's talk.
Speaker 4: Tell me a little bit about that, just your face
Speaker 4: in general.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's very it's it's interesting no matter where
Speaker 1: you fall on it. It's interesting basically to try to
Speaker 1: I mean, I could read you the entire mission statement
Speaker 1: of to the Stars Academy, but everybody would tune out,
Speaker 1: I think, to to take it down to brass tacks.
Speaker 1: Through various pop culture they will produce, whether it be books,
Speaker 1: TV series, movies, they are going to begin the slow
Speaker 1: process of disclosure. Only you're not going to realize it
Speaker 1: because this will be done through fiction. For instance, his
Speaker 1: first book that's already been released, Secret Machines with a
Speaker 1: K with a K, Lots of hidden meaning there, he
Speaker 1: would he would tell you and and but they were
Speaker 1: going to tell real stories through these fictional avenues. And
Speaker 1: then and then throughout that process will also via social
Speaker 1: media be releasing pieces of information, documents, videos that also
Speaker 1: help correspond with the disclosure. So basically he's saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're going to fool you until you actually understand the truth,
Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell you beforehand that we're going
Speaker 1: to fool you. Yeah, it's a very bizarre.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't exactly say straightforward way to go.
Speaker 3: About it, right. Yeah, it's interesting. And as as you said, John,
Speaker 3: anyone can read their mission statement in full. The common
Speaker 3: threads through their mission statement are the following. The first
Speaker 3: is the belief that there is some greater truth and
Speaker 3: that it is extraterrestrial in nature rather than an unidentified,
Speaker 3: mundane construction of earthlings or rather than an existing but
Speaker 3: weird natural phenomenon. They're saying, yes, aliens will tell you
Speaker 3: by fooling you. And the second thing is the huge,
Speaker 3: huge certitude that the primary reason this information has not
Speaker 3: been revealed to the public falls on the shoulders of
Speaker 3: the government, if not through malevolence, through incompetence in terms
Speaker 3: of prioritization and bureaucracy aka red tape.
Speaker 1: He but he does make a point to let everyone
Speaker 1: know that while bureaucracy exists, there is a reason that
Speaker 1: it has not been disclosed to us yet, and when
Speaker 1: we find out, we're basically all going to fall on
Speaker 1: our knees and thank them for having not told us sooner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the government is doing a greater good for us.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is an interesting angle too, because that's
Speaker 3: an uncommon, very angle.
Speaker 4: Right, So so how did he figure that out? How
Speaker 4: did how did Tom DeLong guitarists, famous filthy rich guitarist
Speaker 4: figure out that?
Speaker 1: Well, for I do want to point out one thing. Okay,
Speaker 1: we keep saying UFOs. Oh he hates, he hates that term.
Speaker 1: They are advanced aerial threats.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay a A A T s. Yes.
Speaker 1: And also that while extraterrestrials have been here, some of
Speaker 1: our reports are things basically using their technology, we have
Speaker 1: built our own. As for instance, Roswell was constructed here
Speaker 1: on Earth by humans, the by Germans, by yet correct, yes,
Speaker 1: by Germans, thank you, And but that was us using
Speaker 1: their technology. But the way he found out about it
Speaker 1: was as he was looking into this and doing all
Speaker 1: of his reading, he started writing secret machines and some
Speaker 1: deep throat type characters reached out to.
Speaker 4: Him while he's touring, like during the major parts of
Speaker 4: blankin Touring World.
Speaker 1: They reached out to him and said, we need to meet,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be very cloak and dagger. I
Speaker 1: believe one of the quotes was, let's meet by the Pentagon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very Hey, isn't that the world's largest office building?
Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, probably, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's just it feels like it would be difficult to
Speaker 3: just go there and see who's standing by it.
Speaker 4: Well, and which which side do you go by?
Speaker 1: Google? Drive me by the Pentagon. I don't think it'll
Speaker 1: take you very far.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this this is all true. He said
Speaker 3: that it was, as you described, very cloak and dagger.
Speaker 3: In fact, I believe he doesn't have or cannot give
Speaker 3: many more specifics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of a classic story that we've heard
Speaker 4: from several other people who have this kind of thing,
Speaker 4: especially when there's a book for sale where you can't
Speaker 4: disclose specifics about a certain secret knowledge that you have
Speaker 4: that is somewhat contained in your book, but you got
Speaker 4: to buy it before you can know it.
Speaker 1: It works well together that way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I don't want to go there
Speaker 4: quite yet, but that that's a kind of a trend
Speaker 4: we might see a little bit later on, but he
Speaker 4: did say that he ended up taking high level meetings
Speaker 4: all around Washington, d C. With all kinds of different people.
Speaker 4: He ended up meeting with generals that he would say, yes,
Speaker 4: it's a general, but he would not mention specifics to
Speaker 4: protect himself and these individuals that he's talking to, is
Speaker 4: what he stated. He ended up having a two hour
Speaker 4: meeting at NASA's Aims Research Center where he was introduced
Speaker 4: to another person. So he's kind of pingponging back and
Speaker 4: forth between all these different people who are each connecting
Speaker 4: him up with somebody else.
Speaker 3: So moving through a relatively obscure network.
Speaker 4: Yes, which is a very similar story to what Stephen
Speaker 4: Greer told us, is how he ended up getting into
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff, you know, as a medical professional,
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, you know, becoming one of
Speaker 4: the most well known ufologists south there.
Speaker 1: And a theme to Tom's story is that as he
Speaker 1: gets these introductions and has these meetings, he goes down
Speaker 1: deeper down the rabbit hole, meaning he says something and
Speaker 1: that leads him to be contacted by somebody even more
Speaker 1: secret and when asked on Joe Rogan's podcast when asked
Speaker 1: well why why, like, what were you saying that was
Speaker 1: so intriguing to them? And he goes, well, I just
Speaker 1: put it all together from all that reading I was
Speaker 1: telling you guys about, I just put it all together.
Speaker 1: I saw how the pieces all fit together. So basically,
Speaker 1: he read a bunch of Jim Marr's books and somehow
Speaker 1: did the whole writing on the window thing, and poof,
Speaker 1: got the whole view of the UFO phenomenon on this earth.
Speaker 3: Had a larger vision correct And maybe from that perspective,
Speaker 3: if we were to take that at face value, the
Speaker 3: argument is like that old anecdote of the elephant, right,
Speaker 3: people are identifying for various parts of the animal. I
Speaker 3: think we talked about this in previous shows. And someone
Speaker 3: touches leg, they think it's a tree that they found.
Speaker 3: Someone touches the nose, they think it's a snake. In
Speaker 3: this analogy, Tom DeLong is the first one to say,
Speaker 3: holy smokes, that's an elephant.
Speaker 4: Well, and you might think to yourself, come on, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4: You might also think to yourself, oh yeah, exactly, Just
Speaker 4: depending on what you know, where your belief system is currently.
Speaker 4: You know, it's easy to kind of poke fun at
Speaker 4: I guess in a way, but there perhaps there is
Speaker 4: a world in which a single individual put the right
Speaker 4: pieces together in some way that an intelligence official somewhere decided,
Speaker 4: oh wow, maybe maybe this guy, maybe we need to
Speaker 4: control this guy, or maybe we need to talk to
Speaker 4: this guy, or maybe there's some way we can use him,
Speaker 4: because there's a weird thing that happened. John, do you
Speaker 4: from that Joe Rogan interview, do you remember like one
Speaker 4: of the major things he said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, after having had after having had some of those
Speaker 1: classified meetings, he was at an airport and a gentleman
Speaker 1: in I guess, you know, kind of typical black trench
Speaker 1: coat type garb sat down next to him and said
Speaker 1: we need to talk, okay, and basically goes on to
Speaker 1: tell him that during the Cold War, we literally we
Speaker 1: being the United States, got an extraterrestrial body. And he
Speaker 1: goes on to to tell Tom that story and that
Speaker 1: I think that's actually where Tom said, Well, the reason
Speaker 1: they they picked me is because I saw the forest
Speaker 1: through the tree and would understand and be able to
Speaker 1: process all.
Speaker 4: Of this m HM.
Speaker 3: So they found living evidence of an extra terrestrial organism
Speaker 3: of life form. And then again, this is a conversation
Speaker 3: in public in an airport, and the unidentified man follows
Speaker 3: up too, Right, he doesn't just tell Tom this kind
Speaker 3: of confirmation of this discovery. He takes it a step further, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Allegedly the man asked him what he needs, like,
Speaker 4: what do you need son to do whatever it is
Speaker 4: you're trying to do, and Tom replied, well, I need advisors.
Speaker 4: Takes a village, right, yes, And boy, howdy did he
Speaker 4: get some advisors. There's a long list of people we
Speaker 4: can hit some of the major players, I guess. Well.
Speaker 1: Tom goes on to say that one of the people
Speaker 1: that he started conversations with with John Podesta, who was
Speaker 1: a former advisor to President Cresident Clinton and and then
Speaker 1: also campaign head for Hillary Clinton.
Speaker 4: Yes, he also worked with the Obama administration.
Speaker 1: And uh, and then and then you know he mentioned
Speaker 1: generals earlier. Here's here's a strange side note to that.
Speaker 1: When the Wiki leaks documents came out, part of those
Speaker 1: were a bunch of emails, uh from various sides and
Speaker 1: and and parts of the government, and it proved that
Speaker 1: he actually had been communicating at length with John Podesta
Speaker 1: about UFOs, and he had also been communicating with Major
Speaker 1: General William McCasland, who is the commander of the Air
Speaker 1: Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson, which in yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a big deal. That's that's like a big deal, right,
Speaker 1: and who obviously is going to have access to highly
Speaker 1: classified technologies and things like that. So, when you're just
Speaker 1: about ready to dismiss this story, yes, you read these
Speaker 1: emails and you go, huh.
Speaker 3: And it's very important to note this, this stuff all
Speaker 3: happens before we learn about the Pentagon program, before it's
Speaker 3: publicly disclosed.
Speaker 1: Before it's publicly disposed. Correct.
Speaker 3: Wow, So he is promoting his book concurrently while he
Speaker 3: is while is having these email exchanges with people that,
Speaker 3: to his credit, I believe he did not identify this
Speaker 3: WikiLeaks thing, essentially identified it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So when we have when we have Tom DeLong around
Speaker 3: this time period promoting his book and emailing Podesta, emailing
Speaker 3: at least one general that we know of, we also have,
Speaker 3: by his own account, a weird experience or run in
Speaker 3: in a hotel room.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is another thing from the Rogan interview.
Speaker 4: He allegedly got interrogated.
Speaker 1: Oh, the interrogation, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, on this subject by what he claims were I
Speaker 4: guess CIA agents of some sort or intelligence agents of
Speaker 4: some sort. And he just got grilled for a couple
Speaker 4: of days, I think, is what his statement was.
Speaker 1: Really He he kind of resets the way he terms
Speaker 1: the whole thing. At first he said, yeah, they had
Speaker 1: me there for two days, and then they go on
Speaker 1: to well, I mean, of course I got to leave
Speaker 1: at night. Yeah, so it wasn't exactly. It wasn't exactly.
Speaker 1: You know, here's the glass of water in the swinging
Speaker 1: light in front of you, and tell us what you
Speaker 1: know it was. Let's just have a long form conversation
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. I mean, I've been to
Speaker 1: conferences worse than that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, that's true.
Speaker 1: But they where they did keep him for two days
Speaker 1: and asking him, and he said they asked him questions
Speaker 1: like how do you know what you know? And I
Speaker 1: can't tell you that That would be his response to them.
Speaker 3: And he also did not or could not identify these
Speaker 3: people or the agency from which they claimed to originate.
Speaker 2: But along the way, Tom DeLong, it's still Tom DeLong,
Speaker 2: and he's still getting some kind of information that is
Speaker 2: in some way secretive, like, say, he's just this whole
Speaker 2: past time.
Speaker 4: They're giving him something and.
Speaker 1: Just to reset, we're talking about the guitarist for Blink
Speaker 1: one eighty two. Yeah, I'm just saying that's true, that's true.
Speaker 4: Why are these people giving him this information? Why are
Speaker 4: they if it's a giant wild goose chase that they're
Speaker 4: just kind of sending him down? Is it for funsies?
Speaker 4: Is it because each one of these high level people
Speaker 4: was like, dude, the guy from Blank one eighty two
Speaker 4: showed up in my office and he talked to me
Speaker 4: for do you want to meet him? He really wants
Speaker 4: to talk to you. And everybody's like, yeah, I want
Speaker 4: to meet the dude from BLeague one to eighty two,
Speaker 4: send him down this way. John Panessa is like, bro,
Speaker 4: hook me up. I want to meet this guy. Is
Speaker 4: that what's happening or is there something else going on here?
Speaker 1: Do you think he could do an acoustic set for us?
Speaker 3: Well, well you can meet him and you can get
Speaker 3: him to sign something, but the main thing is you
Speaker 3: have to Yeah, you're in is to talk about UFOs.
Speaker 1: Yes, these heads of the do D and CIA. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh man, my kid would love it. Meanwhile, the kid
Speaker 1: is probably forty.
Speaker 3: So this is mystifying because you can see already where
Speaker 3: there are missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle and where
Speaker 3: the various claims about those missing pieces come into play. Right.
Speaker 3: Is is it a matter of necessary secrecy, as DeLong
Speaker 3: and the other to the Stars would say, or is
Speaker 3: it a matter of flimflam, as many of the skeptics
Speaker 3: would say. We'll explore this further after a brief word
Speaker 3: from our sponsors, assuming we don't also get black bagged
Speaker 3: during the breaks. You guys, we made it.
Speaker 4: We're here, go team, Yep, we're still here. Okay, so
Speaker 4: let's jump right into this.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: According to Tom, the reason why he's been privy to
Speaker 4: this information and get in contact with all of these
Speaker 4: people is because he is providing them all of these
Speaker 4: various government organizations, these intelligence agencies. He's providing them with
Speaker 4: a service, specifically communication.
Speaker 1: A platform through which they can talk to the American people,
Speaker 1: and I suppose not so scary of a way and
Speaker 1: where people, let's say, of our age younger will pay attention. Basically,
Speaker 1: he's saying he has access to people that they don't have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly, That's exactly what he's saying at least.
Speaker 3: All right, and I will respond on behalf of the
Speaker 3: various government programs that have existed since before the CIA
Speaker 3: that have effectively leveraged mass media in all forms to
Speaker 3: gain support for otherwise controversial objectives like wars.
Speaker 4: So we're talking about propaganda events.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just okay. It is incredibly easy to understand
Speaker 3: how someone could be skeptical about that claim, simply because
Speaker 3: there is a preponderance of pre existing evidence indicating that
Speaker 3: if Uncle Sam wants to approach the American public through
Speaker 3: controlled media and through unacknowledged control of that media, not
Speaker 3: only is that a possibility, it's happened. It's it's like
Speaker 3: it's a thing they can already do. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like saying Ford Factory approached me because I know a
Speaker 3: place where I can buy tires, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It doesn't quite even out.
Speaker 1: Though, I will say, if planes start going overhead dropping
Speaker 1: leaflets with Tom Delong's face on them, I give up.
Speaker 4: At that point, just go prone and wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The first way which in which he said he's
Speaker 1: taking or took the first step, was writing the book
Speaker 1: Secret Machines Part One.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the series I read it. No, which one the
Speaker 4: gods or no?
Speaker 1: Chasing Yeah, chasing shadow, Yeah, chasing shadows.
Speaker 3: What's your take? Man?
Speaker 1: There are examples throughout history, recent history, of books, and
Speaker 1: also just people that try to tie all of the
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, all of the mysteries together into kind of
Speaker 1: one uniform. A bad example is Bill Cooper with the
Speaker 1: whole of Pale Horse.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was super conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean that's a real bad example, kind
Speaker 1: of a bad dude. But there's lots of examples of it,
Speaker 1: and he goes for it here. I mean, just a
Speaker 1: few of the topics that are covered in the book.
Speaker 1: Foo Fighters, not the band, speaking of bands, Deglaca, the Bell, Yeah,
Speaker 1: all about the bell. The bell is in there. So
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, based on what Tom's told us, he must
Speaker 1: be saying that that's real. Also side note on hysteria.
Speaker 1: Fifty one were experts on the bell. We did a
Speaker 1: show on it, and the Daily Express in England I
Speaker 1: wrote an entire article about the bell citing us as
Speaker 1: the experts.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm like, boy, you guys need better, but I
Speaker 1: mean it is, well.
Speaker 3: Can you can you hook us up? Look? I promise
Speaker 3: other than this show and the millions of people who've
Speaker 3: heard it. This will stay just between us. Just take
Speaker 3: us to the bell we want to see it.
Speaker 1: Oh please, I'll make a phone call, but I've got
Speaker 1: to go to a Chili's at an airport to have
Speaker 1: the conversation, so it might take a while.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's hatching a medic conspiracy.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cigar shaped UFOs Area fifty one. UFOs are there,
Speaker 1: talks all about Operation paper Clip, talks about metal not
Speaker 1: from this world that is foldable but also indestructible. I
Speaker 1: mean even the Nazi escapes to Argentina, which to an
Speaker 1: extent have been proven, but on a much more mass scale.
Speaker 1: I mean, he hits it all. So, yeah, he's all
Speaker 1: in on all conspiracies, and they all tie in in
Speaker 1: this book. And that was the That was the really
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me about the book. I kind of
Speaker 1: thought that he would go with one theme and just
Speaker 1: drive it home. You know, what happened at Roswell was
Speaker 1: a real thing? Or Area fifty one. They really are
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that there and just and and then
Speaker 1: just take seven hundred pages, which it is, to form
Speaker 1: the story around that. But I was completely wrong. He
Speaker 1: just goes all in the deep end.
Speaker 4: How's it structured.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a typical mystery action book. There are
Speaker 1: there are characters and they don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: There's a there's a member of the United States Air
Speaker 1: Force who has something happened in the sky that he
Speaker 1: can't explain, and all of a sudden, the CIA comes
Speaker 1: and recruits him to work for them, and he gets
Speaker 1: taken to Area fifty one. There is a woman who
Speaker 1: is a debunker and has a website debunking things, and
Speaker 1: she sent a mysterious package. There's a there. There's a
Speaker 1: daughter of a financial magnate who he dies under mysterious circumstances,
Speaker 1: and she tries to figure out what's going on. His
Speaker 1: alleged suicide wasn't really a suicide, so they really do.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a fictional book. It's a
Speaker 1: fun read. I have no problem with the book. It's
Speaker 1: what's implied behind the book, but the book itself is enjoyable.
Speaker 4: It sounds like a multi platform IP.
Speaker 3: And you said it's a You said it's a series, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the second one is not out yet, but
Speaker 1: coming out this year. A Fire within Secret Machines a
Speaker 1: Fire within interesting so.
Speaker 4: The oh and just really fast. There's another one called
Speaker 4: God's Secret Machines God's Colon Volume one of God's Man
Speaker 4: in War, which is kind of an introduction to the
Speaker 4: whole series.
Speaker 3: Apparently, so Secret Machines is its own own universe.
Speaker 4: Right, it's being created that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started in the wrong place, man.
Speaker 4: No, don't. I don't know. I honestly have not read
Speaker 4: any of it. I was just looking at the Simon
Speaker 4: and Schuster website and that's they were talking about that one.
Speaker 3: So one thing that is always in the front of
Speaker 3: my mind when I read meda conspiracies. That's just a
Speaker 3: made up term for any book that or any belief
Speaker 3: system that tries to combine three or more of what
Speaker 3: we call single conspiracies. So one of the big questions
Speaker 3: I always have when I read one of those books
Speaker 3: like Behold a Pale Horse, which I think you mentioned
Speaker 3: Cooper earlier, is how the hell are you going to
Speaker 3: pull off a sequel? You know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 3: what else are you going to take? David Ike is
Speaker 3: masterful at that. I don't know how he does it,
Speaker 3: or what spreadsheet he uses, or how he keeps track
Speaker 3: of the things that he is adding in with successive
Speaker 3: books or re examining. But I'm already very interested to
Speaker 3: learn what else comes up in a fire within. And
Speaker 3: as as you said, these are works of fiction, but
Speaker 3: they are by the admission of the co author, Tom DeLong,
Speaker 3: they are meant to serve as a doorway, a gentle
Speaker 3: introduction to something that he believes in his colleagues we
Speaker 3: would assume believe is absolutely true.
Speaker 1: In fact, when the La Weekly interviewed him, hm, they
Speaker 1: asked him a pretty simple question, what makes Secret Machines
Speaker 1: different from other works of ufology, And DeLong said, there
Speaker 1: won't be any disinformation in my project because I'm talking
Speaker 1: to very high.
Speaker 3: Level people that cannot be identified.
Speaker 4: That cannot be identified, well, some of them can, because
Speaker 4: we can only assume that he was working with a
Speaker 4: lot of the people that ended up on the core
Speaker 4: team of To the Stars Academy, which includes Tom Delane,
Speaker 4: the chairman of the board.
Speaker 3: Right, and he's not on the Academy, but he was
Speaker 3: also working with we should say, his co writer Aj Hartley.
Speaker 4: Yes, to write both both versions of Secret Machines. And
Speaker 4: then there's another author who did the the other the
Speaker 4: third book.
Speaker 3: So who's on this core team to the Stars Academy.
Speaker 3: It's not just him, right?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah? The VP vice President of Operations is a
Speaker 4: retired CIA officer and member of the Senior Intelligence Service
Speaker 4: named Jim Semevan Semi v A n. You can look
Speaker 4: him up a little bit. There's a little you can
Speaker 4: learn about him. Has He's had a long career as
Speaker 4: a spy and now he's the VP of operations at
Speaker 4: this company.
Speaker 1: Another really interesting guy is named Steve Justice, which, by
Speaker 1: the way, awesome name.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's part of the Aerospace division. He was the
Speaker 1: director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin in their Advanced
Speaker 1: system Developed programs. Uh. That's also known as skunk works.
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the legit UFO stuff.
Speaker 1: That's the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which is amazing because you would have
Speaker 3: to one would have to imagine right that his his
Speaker 3: bar for what he considers worthwhile in this field must
Speaker 3: be extraordinarily high.
Speaker 4: One would hope, well, and this is unless this is
Speaker 4: like a retirement option, like I'm just gonna have some
Speaker 4: fun over there at the To the Stars Academy.
Speaker 1: Right right, or make some money.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The other guy that I'm I mentioned earlier Luis Elizondo,
Speaker 1: who was the who was the head of the A
Speaker 1: TIP program, the Secret Program and the Pentagon.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: He's he's now part of the Two Stars Academy as well.
Speaker 1: He's the director of Global Security and Special Programs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he has a massive, like you said, background
Speaker 4: in human intelligence, counter intelligence. I mean, when you work
Speaker 4: for the d O D in that way, it's at
Speaker 4: that high level. I'm interested to know how much his
Speaker 4: job is some kind of I don't know, a mole
Speaker 4: in a way for you know, for intelligence agencies, just
Speaker 4: to see what this group is doing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one of the unanswered questions always pops up,
Speaker 3: or it's never answered to people's satisfaction, which is, is
Speaker 3: there a threshold of authority within the government, a threshold
Speaker 3: of position after which you never really quit or retire? Right?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: It doesn't you know? An easy example would be the
Speaker 3: president of the US. Once you're in there, whether it's
Speaker 3: for four years or eight, for the rest of your life,
Speaker 3: no matter how long or short it is, your opinion
Speaker 3: still counts for a massive It doesn't even matter what
Speaker 3: you're talking about. You could go you could go on
Speaker 3: Twitter and say Burger king is the best one. People
Speaker 3: wouldn't even ask what you mean, would you, like, are
Speaker 3: you talking fast food? Are you talking burgers? It's weird
Speaker 3: because you never really retire at that level. So one
Speaker 3: of the questions is, and I think this is what
Speaker 3: you're getting at too, Matt like, is Alexondo retired?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Canny, Yeah, could he retire now?
Speaker 1: He says, According to him, he left the Pentagon because
Speaker 1: there are real threats out there that need to be
Speaker 1: investigated and they are unwilling to do so, which at
Speaker 1: least part of that smacks of true when you hear
Speaker 1: that that that project, the A Tip Project, had a
Speaker 1: twenty two million dollar budget over the course of what
Speaker 1: was it, seven years? Yeah, that is that's like the
Speaker 1: toilet paper budget at the Pentagon. Yes, like that is
Speaker 1: a very small amount of money.
Speaker 4: Seven and forty billion or fifty eight billion? Did they
Speaker 4: get a.
Speaker 3: Year on the books?
Speaker 1: My only wish for Alexondo. I've seen him on numerous interviews.
Speaker 1: You can go find them on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Right now, don't talk about his facial hair.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. It just it takes away from his credibility.
Speaker 1: It just does. He looks like a guy that would
Speaker 1: believe this stuff.
Speaker 4: No, but he also has I don't know, there's a
Speaker 4: there's a certain badassery about it too. But I I
Speaker 4: see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: John My, my co host on our show, when we
Speaker 1: mentioned that, he also disagreed with me.
Speaker 3: Could you all describe his hair? For anybody who hasn't
Speaker 3: hasn't seen a photo of it.
Speaker 4: There's a YouTube video you can watch on the to
Speaker 4: the Stars YouTube Academy site. We just recommend you watch that.
Speaker 4: It's very short, it's an introduction to him as a character,
Speaker 4: and you get to see it in its full glory.
Speaker 1: Maybe the best way to put it to I want
Speaker 1: to see if you agree, guy FIEDI only it's gray
Speaker 1: with a soul patch.
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I can totally see that. Did he have
Speaker 4: frosted tips? Though I can't remember if he dad?
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 1: I think it was gray, but I think the soul
Speaker 1: patch part is what is Yeah?
Speaker 3: Is that what's throwing you off?
Speaker 1: I think so?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well, we we know though that he does have his
Speaker 3: bona fides.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we haven't even talked about the most fascinating
Speaker 4: character yet. In my opinion, who's that that is? Doctor
Speaker 4: Howell put off? Is it puff puff off? I thought
Speaker 4: it was put Off, but putoff I assumed, yeah, cut off.
Speaker 4: It's doctor Hall put Off. He is the vice president
Speaker 4: of Science and Technology. And do you guys know anything
Speaker 4: about this dude?
Speaker 3: Uh, just the bare bones, but I think I know
Speaker 3: which parts of the skeleton you're going to unearth.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, here's the here are the facts. He has
Speaker 4: a PhD in electrical engineering from Stanford University in California.
Speaker 4: That's the Stanford with accolades, one of the top schools
Speaker 4: in the United States and probably the world. Right in
Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties and seventies, he reached OT level seven
Speaker 4: inside the Church of Scientology, right he did. He end
Speaker 4: up leaving the church in the late seventies, so.
Speaker 1: He acquired a lot of thetans.
Speaker 4: He did, and one of the things that he alleges he.
Speaker 3: Learned technically is cleaning his thetans out.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, okay, sure, can I say that
Speaker 4: on air? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Too much of a spoiler?
Speaker 4: Sureka. But he did leave the church. But one of
Speaker 4: the things he says that he learned how to do
Speaker 4: whilst you know, going through the programs, there was how
Speaker 4: to remote view and what remote viewing is and how
Speaker 4: to achieve it, and then that helped him work in
Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties on a little thing that we
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier called Project Stargate, where you know that was
Speaker 4: the Central and Defense intelligence agencies attempt to prove that
Speaker 4: psychic powers or paranormal powers of some form or another
Speaker 4: sure could be used for national security. And we've got
Speaker 4: a whole episode on that. We've talked about it before.
Speaker 4: Fascinating stuff. The men who stare at goats, It's worth it,
Speaker 4: check it out. Really just fascinating. But yeah, so he
Speaker 4: was a pioneer in these techniques that Project Stargate used
Speaker 4: for remote viewing, and he looked at Uri Geller specifics,
Speaker 4: and a couple other guys who he and his colleagues
Speaker 4: truly believed had psychic powers of some sort of ingo
Speaker 4: Swan was one of the other. Yeah, you're right. He
Speaker 4: also founded the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin as
Speaker 4: well as earth Tech International Incorporated, which have now formed
Speaker 4: one single thing. And the mission statement there is short
Speaker 4: enough for me to read in verbatim, so it says
Speaker 4: shaping the future by innovating breakthroughs that inspire new modes
Speaker 4: of space transportation and new sources of energy. So again
Speaker 4: a lot of the similar things that the Academy is
Speaker 4: trying to achieve.
Speaker 1: So they were good bedfellows the get go.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But yeah they're perfect medfellows because this is a
Speaker 4: guy who believes you can truly remote view who you know,
Speaker 4: their esp and other powers probably and they can be applied.
Speaker 3: Or at least believes in research. It believes there's enough indication.
Speaker 1: Careful what you say, though, he might be watching right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, down in a closet somewhere. Boy, it's a
Speaker 4: long table. There are a lot of looks like a
Speaker 4: spider maybe with the ends are puffy.
Speaker 1: And they're talking into them right now. You know.
Speaker 3: There's very fascinating argument there, which is that if something
Speaker 3: like that were to exist, then of course you would
Speaker 3: want it to be discredited. Because if there was such
Speaker 3: a thing as effective, reproducible remote viewing and it was
Speaker 3: being used for various aspects of state craft, then what's
Speaker 3: the first thing a arrival country does kills all of
Speaker 3: those people as quickly as possible. International lobby damned. So
Speaker 3: maybe I'm just I'm trying to brainstorm reasons or you know,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to brainstorm motivations to keep that from the
Speaker 3: public word to be true. But when you say the academy,
Speaker 3: one thing that's really interesting is you're not talking Matt
Speaker 3: in some vague abstract term. You're talking about specifically to
Speaker 3: the Star's Academy. And we learned some stuff about that,
Speaker 3: right because it is like many things in our society,
Speaker 3: regardless of its aims, it is driven by a financial engine.
Speaker 3: So what do we know about that? How do the
Speaker 3: numbers work for this thing?
Speaker 1: Well? And when they did their big debut on stage,
Speaker 1: they talked about a lot of lofty goals and aspirations
Speaker 1: and basically doing things for the good of humanity, and
Speaker 1: then they ended with donate here, and that's essentially what
Speaker 1: it was. You can buy quote unquote stock because it's
Speaker 1: not like traded on the Stock exchange quote unquote stock
Speaker 1: of to the Stars Academy. It's five dollars a share
Speaker 1: and minimum two hundred dollars spend. They've had two thousand
Speaker 1: something purchasers so far and have already as of much
Speaker 1: as of March of this year, had raised two point
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Wow, that's nuts.
Speaker 4: To me from twenty five hundred twenty five hundred and
Speaker 4: nine individuals. According to the website.
Speaker 3: Minimum donation two hundred dollars. So to get to two
Speaker 3: point five million, that means some people were putting in
Speaker 3: every a lot more, yeah, a lot more, a significant
Speaker 3: chunk of change.
Speaker 4: Including Tom right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. He to get it off the ground,
Speaker 1: he invested six hundred thousand of his own money, and
Speaker 1: as a function of that, he now makes a minimum
Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand dollars per year in royalties from
Speaker 1: the company to become whole again.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so just to recoup Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if that will go on on
Speaker 1: his recouping of the funds, but right, and'll obviously be
Speaker 1: in a private company. All of this is just what
Speaker 1: they choose to.
Speaker 3: Share, right, Yeah. It is up to them regarding how
Speaker 3: much they want to disclose, and more so than it
Speaker 3: would be if they had like a public stock correct.
Speaker 3: So it's fascinating. Whenever we bring money into this, many
Speaker 3: people can easily feel as though it invalidates the organization entire.
Speaker 3: That's not necessarily true. I can see where that skepticism
Speaker 3: comes from. But the two things are not automatically related.
Speaker 1: Right, you have to have funding to do your projects,
Speaker 1: ask NASA. Right, yeah, I mean everyone at NASA has
Speaker 1: been complaining about the shrinking budget there for thirty years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, ask our sales department.
Speaker 1: Very true.
Speaker 3: So when we talk about these projects, what exact actly
Speaker 3: are Tom Delong's claim? So what kind of stuff is
Speaker 3: to the stars Academy funding? What's the research? What gives it?
Speaker 1: Depends on if you want specifics or if you want
Speaker 1: very general specifics numerous movies, books, and various forms of
Speaker 1: other of other materials that they will sell for profit
Speaker 1: if you want very general. H The other aims are
Speaker 1: to develop technologies to reveal information and well that sounds
Speaker 1: really generic. Yeah, that's because that's all they've said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you whenever Tom talks about it, he's like, you
Speaker 1: won't believe it. Man, Like the technology that they've exposed
Speaker 1: me to, it's it's just amazing. Or told me about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can shoot a laser of this metal and
Speaker 4: the metal will somehow generate energy. Yeah, and float time
Speaker 4: travel Yeah, time travel, dude, it's very specific. He got
Speaker 4: crazy specific about the time travel as he did. So. Oh,
Speaker 4: he says there's an artificial bubble of gravity that gets
Speaker 4: created when you're using one of these machines, and then
Speaker 4: everything else outside of that bubble freezes essentially everybody everybody
Speaker 4: says freeze, and then the bubble can move throughout like
Speaker 4: time and space. And you could pick up a Coca
Speaker 4: cola can out of John's hand, put it in Ben's hand,
Speaker 4: and then just leave and then I guess turn it off,
Speaker 4: and then time would go back to normal and there
Speaker 4: would be a red shift. There was like a visible
Speaker 4: red shift when you're operating the thing.
Speaker 1: Well, my guess has to be that it must operate
Speaker 1: on red mercury, oh, like the bell. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: I assume that's why there would be a red shift.
Speaker 4: That's that's probably what it is.
Speaker 1: And also, if you're going to make the greatest discovery
Speaker 1: in the history of humanity, which that would be, the
Speaker 1: first thing you obviously would do would be start playing
Speaker 1: practical jokes on people with Coca colas.
Speaker 3: That's right, right. Yeah. The other thing is, you know,
Speaker 3: not to get to in the weeds about it. But
Speaker 3: the bubble concept is difficult because it sets a threshold
Speaker 3: for where the flow of time differentiates. So how could
Speaker 3: you reach outside of the bubble. How could you take
Speaker 3: that from the coke from one end to the other.
Speaker 3: Are you somehow okay? You know what, it's a different show.
Speaker 1: It's a different show.
Speaker 3: That's one of those claims.
Speaker 4: If the person's hand holding the Coca cola entered the
Speaker 4: bubble right in order for you to manipulate it whilst
Speaker 4: inside the bubble, what happens to that hand?
Speaker 3: Would it be like that remake of The Time Machine
Speaker 3: where he fight spoiler.
Speaker 1: Alert guy Pierce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, where he gets in a fight with
Speaker 3: the head morlock and then like they age precipitously when
Speaker 3: they're outside of the bubble. I'm gonna watch it again.
Speaker 1: You come back with a hand that is just a skeleton. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was not that practical joke was not worthwhile.
Speaker 3: I want my two hundred dollars back.
Speaker 4: Yes, And if you are doing, you know, practical jokes
Speaker 4: with stuff in hands, I gotta say I think switching
Speaker 4: out guns for bananas is probably the best.
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. Couldn't agree more So.
Speaker 3: We talked about some of the other things that he believes,
Speaker 3: as you said, John, that the roswell material recovered was
Speaker 3: from a German manufactured vehicle, well, an Argentinian manufactured vehicle,
Speaker 3: right by a German scientist in exile.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he said. And specifically, the project paper
Speaker 4: Clip is about a lot more than what we think
Speaker 4: it's about, with the same basic goal get the top
Speaker 4: scientists from Germany to work for us rather than let's say,
Speaker 4: for Russia or somebody else. But he thinks, and he
Speaker 4: would not say what it was, but it was about
Speaker 4: something else. They knew how to reverse engineer some of
Speaker 4: this technology.
Speaker 1: They were more they were more in tune with and
Speaker 1: advanced with the alien technology than we were. And that's
Speaker 1: why we have to go get it. And that's why
Speaker 1: we gave Werner von Braun the house in the Hamptons.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and said here, this is NASA.
Speaker 1: I want to run it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So these are already what we call tall milkshakes. It's
Speaker 3: kind of it's all order to accept this fundamentally without
Speaker 3: a higher degree of proof. Right, you can see videos
Speaker 3: of plenty. We're all familiar with YouTube if we listen
Speaker 3: to podcasts. But if there is some sort of unidentifiable
Speaker 3: alloy from that was recovered from a crash site, then
Speaker 3: the logical assumption is that more people would believe you
Speaker 3: if that were made public and available for study. But
Speaker 3: these are not all of the claims. There are a
Speaker 3: couple of more things they believes correct.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I mean we can get all too
Speaker 4: all of them. But there it's obvious that Tom DeLong
Speaker 4: in some way at least personally believes in a lot
Speaker 4: of YouTube UF videos or aerial threat vehicles videos of
Speaker 4: them that exist online. Videos that as a video professional,
Speaker 4: or at least a former video professional, you can easily
Speaker 4: see our after effects projects right pretty easily, and I
Speaker 4: think people are more discerning now about a lot of
Speaker 4: these things. With photoshop, you can kind of tell when
Speaker 4: something has been manipulated, but if someone's really good at it,
Speaker 4: it's harder to tell. But you can still see motion
Speaker 4: shaken there, or someone specifically blurring an image on purpose
Speaker 4: at a certain time. He believes in this thing called
Speaker 4: the tr three b astro, which has been shown in
Speaker 4: gosh countless videos. He showed one on the Joe Rogan Experience,
Speaker 4: and it was obviously fake in my opinion, And that
Speaker 4: kind of thing doesn't do a great job of boosting
Speaker 4: your credit, I guess in this sphere for me at
Speaker 4: least in my opinion. And the other big thing is
Speaker 4: the Moon missions, the Apollo Moon mission.
Speaker 1: Yes, one thing on the video that he showed on
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, not only did he say he believes that
Speaker 1: he inferred that a technology similar or perhaps exact, is
Speaker 1: going to be revealed to the world through the To
Speaker 1: the Stars Academy imminently.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Really hasn't happened yet. Yeah, and that was I don't know,
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, at least a year ago. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and then there's the whole thing with the
Speaker 4: Apollo Moon mission. He believes, and he stayed in and
Speaker 4: I think they've discussed this before, that the Apollo Moon
Speaker 4: missions were successful, they were real. The problem is this
Speaker 4: whole disinformation thing about the Moon landing being faked. It
Speaker 4: was propagated by these same control forces that he believes
Speaker 4: has been kind of trickling out disclosure over the years,
Speaker 4: specifically because they didn't want the public asking questions about what.
Speaker 1: They found on the Moon while they were there.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I see, Okay, So it's the it's the larger pattern
Speaker 3: of the accepted things or the rumored things are true,
Speaker 3: but with a twist. There's always a new twist on this.
Speaker 3: So these we're just touching a little bit on some
Speaker 3: of the claims, and you can find many of these
Speaker 3: claims in further detail in different interviews, several of which
Speaker 3: have actually been apparently pulled from the net and they're
Speaker 3: kind of tough to find now. But this leads us
Speaker 3: to several conclusions or guesses. The big question is what next?
Speaker 3: What does this mean? Where does this all go? And
Speaker 3: with that, John, I think we'd have to defer to you,
Speaker 3: what do you think, ma'am, what do you think this
Speaker 3: is headed?
Speaker 1: To understand where it's going to go? I think first
Speaker 1: you have to look at what he's actually doing and
Speaker 1: understanding his motivation if we can, and to me, there's
Speaker 1: only there's three possible, three basic possibilities there. First, he's
Speaker 1: completely telling the truth. We are we're just a little
Speaker 1: too skeptical here, but he's he's on the money and
Speaker 1: et has been here and he is the agent of
Speaker 1: disclosure for the government. Okay, that's option one. Option two
Speaker 1: is the flip side of that coin. He is completely lying.
Speaker 1: He is in this for the money. It is a
Speaker 1: for profit business and he is going to profit and
Speaker 1: really use this to extend further, extend his ip you know,
Speaker 1: his his his books, his movies, et cetera. The third
Speaker 1: possibility which I find intriguing because we have talked about
Speaker 1: his connections. It is nuts, the connections that he has,
Speaker 1: the people he's had meetings with, and even the people
Speaker 1: on that board that we mentioned earlier. It's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: How does he get access to those people? And so
Speaker 1: for me, the third possibility is he is an agent
Speaker 1: of disinformation. And this would not be as I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've talked about on this show, the first time that
Speaker 1: real disinformation has been in the UFO world, not tenfoil
Speaker 1: hat type of oh we think the government's behind it,
Speaker 1: you know, proven out. I mean, you look back at
Speaker 1: Paul Benowitz, Paul. If your listeners aren't familiar with the story,
Speaker 1: to make it a really long story short, essentially, he
Speaker 1: was seeing aliens everywhere, but he actually he accidentally stumbled
Speaker 1: into some real classified programs and they're like, well, we
Speaker 1: need to we need to throw them off the track.
Speaker 1: So they incorporated two guys, Bill Moore, who wrote a
Speaker 1: book about Roswell actually and Richard Dody, and they started
Speaker 1: working Benowitz and saying, not trying to steer him away
Speaker 1: from the UFOs, They're trying to actually get him away
Speaker 1: from the secret real project and started telling you were
Speaker 1: absolutely right about aliens, and their mission was to drive
Speaker 1: him insane, to drive him looney tunes, and they succeeded.
Speaker 1: He spent the preponderance of his life after they created
Speaker 1: all of this fake evidence in in and out of
Speaker 1: mental facilities.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And that was Bill Moore, the guy I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 1: literally at a Moufon conference in I think the late eighties,
Speaker 1: came out and said, Hey, everybody, I have been an
Speaker 1: agent of disinformation on the behalf of the CIA. But
Speaker 1: it's it's all good because I was doing it so
Speaker 1: I could learn more. These are all these are all really,
Speaker 1: these are all real things. These aren't these are proven out,
Speaker 1: These are you know, admitted to things. Are we looking
Speaker 1: at Tom DeLong as Benowitz all over again and he
Speaker 1: just doesn't know it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead and say, in my opinion, I
Speaker 4: think that's probably closer to what's happening, because if you
Speaker 4: look back the Richard ce Doughty thing, that that is
Speaker 4: a story that's stuck with me since our Stephen Greer interview,
Speaker 4: because he he posits that that guy, he has that
Speaker 4: guy and control and he knows, you know, how this
Speaker 4: guy manipulates, and he knows when he's telling the truth,
Speaker 4: and this Richard Doty would never lie to him and
Speaker 4: all this stuff. And I feel like when you get
Speaker 4: too deep into this world and you feel like you're
Speaker 4: down that rabbit hole to a certain extent and like
Speaker 4: far enough, then how can you tell when someone is
Speaker 4: being honest with you or not. I mean, I think
Speaker 4: it gets really confusing. And I have a feeling that
Speaker 4: Tom DeLong has found himself somewhere again just my opinion,
Speaker 4: in that gradient of not sure who he can really
Speaker 4: trust anymore, so he kind of has to just go with.
Speaker 3: It when articles of proof become replaced by matters of
Speaker 3: trust or articles of faith. Essentially, yeah, it's a dangerous thing.
Speaker 3: And it's easy if this is true. It's easy for
Speaker 3: people on the outside to look at this, askance and say, well, sure,
Speaker 3: maybe to someone else that would happen, but never to me.
Speaker 3: The problem is is that when these sorts of things occur,
Speaker 3: it's never a light switch. It's always a matter of
Speaker 3: gradients and increments and.
Speaker 1: Degrees it's a trickle.
Speaker 3: It's a trickle, right, like the spread of disclosure.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So this brings us to one of the most important questions, folks,
Speaker 3: we would like to hear from you. What do you
Speaker 3: think about this? Where do you think this is going?
Speaker 3: What do you think about the possibilities that John has raised?
Speaker 3: Would you say that there is something else there? Do
Speaker 3: you have a definite pick? Is this guy definitely lying
Speaker 3: on purpose to you and the public at large? Is
Speaker 3: this absolutely true? Is he being lied to and use?
Speaker 4: And why? Why are those other people working for him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part I can't get over. I just
Speaker 1: if it's not if it's not disinformation, what that's the
Speaker 1: most intriguing part of this story to me. The reason
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it is these are skunk works. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's part of this. To the Stars Academy it's just crazy.
Speaker 3: And you know, I the only thing that I will
Speaker 3: go on record saying, as in my own personal opinion,
Speaker 3: is that I feel like they could have chosen a
Speaker 3: much better name. To the Stars Academy sounds like a
Speaker 3: knockoff Space camp.
Speaker 4: It is a little weird, it's kind of long. It
Speaker 4: feels like it should have a more singular, iconic name
Speaker 4: because eventually, you know, maybe it's gonna be a giant corporation.
Speaker 1: The yeah, it sounds it sounds like the kind of
Speaker 1: place where everybody gets a participation medal.
Speaker 3: Right, right, yeah, pick at scary name. That could also
Speaker 3: be a venture capitalist company or something, you know, like
Speaker 3: something that sounds powerful but made up, like the car
Speaker 3: name for a V eight. You know it's to call
Speaker 3: it Vitipurian or something. You know people would be into that.
Speaker 4: Well, speaking of participation, Hey, John, thanks for being on
Speaker 4: the show with us today. This was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Guys, thanks so much for having me. This is great.
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Speaker 1: Oh, completely, yeah, although I can't figure out how it's
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