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Speaker 5: You can thank the guy that's saying, don't waste your

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Speaker 3: That's right, John go Forth, good pal of ours from

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Speaker 3: a show called Hysteria fifty one and we kick it

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Speaker 4: You, and hey, let's go and do it right now, guys,

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Speaker 3: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies, history is

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Speaker 3: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 4: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol

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Speaker 3: In the meantime, they call me Ben. We are with

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Speaker 3: We're talking about this off here. We were originally kicking

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Speaker 3: Because otherwise that is a true story that Matt is

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's unfortunately a fact that in many cases, especially in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, there were talking about blue Book.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And the reason it's important to point out

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a lot of signals intelligence that you're getting

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Speaker 4: And if you are interested in learning that full story,

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Speaker 1: As you know, in this world, a lot of different

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Speaker 3: Beautiful something to look forward to, right, Oh yes, And

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Speaker 3: also hear people saying no, not only of extraterrestrials for

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Speaker 1: Yep, it's perfect sense.

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Speaker 3: What I like is how straightforward.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and and having very popular musicians right songs

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Speaker 4: like track three off of Blink one eighty two's Anema

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm glad you brought that up, Matt. This

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Speaker 3: this has been on our collective mind for a for

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Speaker 3: Blink one eighty two. Can you guys break it down

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Speaker 1: Where to start. So three members of the band. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a former member is named Tom DeLong. Oh he quit,

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Speaker 1: He is no longer a part of that's true.

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Speaker 4: So he's left a couple of times.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he's left, and he's come, he's returned.

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess success and fame can lead to rocky

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Speaker 1: So it's true many a band well. And also plane

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Speaker 4: He was one of the only two survivors.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, holy smokes, I had no idea. He's the one

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Speaker 3: who's covered with tattoos, right, that's correct.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the drummer.

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Speaker 3: How unplugged I am. My knowledge of pop culture goes

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well, the whole Tom DeLong leaving thing. There are

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Speaker 1: And they I've seen him actually a few times when

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Speaker 1: what a great band. Yeah, some of the great I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, man, very I mean, very catchy songwriting and well

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Speaker 3: If you remember them.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that that band was great. But I think

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Speaker 1: what Ben's talking about is literally they are touring as

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Speaker 4: Oh, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 1: They're literally playing riot Fest in Chicago this coming fall.

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Speaker 4: Holy mackerel. I didn't know that.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to go?

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Speaker 1: I go to rite Fest every year. It's my favorite

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Speaker 4: So why are we talking about Yes, so.

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Speaker 3: Some people may think, and quite reasonably so, that we

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Speaker 3: out that Disclosure, in its most extreme form, that being

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Speaker 3: a real one, a vital one that continues today.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the aforementioned Tom DeLong ding.

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Speaker 3: Ding hole in one John, thank you? So what what

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Speaker 1: Well, if according to Tom, he's been interested and involved

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this he's not a Johnny come lately. He

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Speaker 4: Yes, he read a lot, He read a lot, A fan,

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Speaker 3: Well, there's a difficult there's a difficult pickle there because

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Speaker 3: How does one become a ufologist? Is there an accredited

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. And I think the root of that,

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Speaker 3: Right right? Are the results reproducible. If so, to what

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Speaker 3: And it's it's tough to see those because often, oddly enough,

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Speaker 3: to say that. And it's also important for us to

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00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 3: note that Tom DeLong has not just been, you know,

440
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 3: occasionally popping off at interviews saying I quit blink one

441
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 3: eighty two because I'm interested in reading about something. He has,

442
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 3: to his credit, put his money where his mouth is,

443
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,399
Speaker 3: as the old saying goes, And he's not just reading books.

444
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 3: He's become an activist by his own account, and according

445
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 3: to numerous statements, he is actually following through with activism.

446
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: But in what way, like what specifically sticks out for

447
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 3: us as far as what he has.

448
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 4: Done well, just like we were talking about with experts

449
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 4: in bringing back to that Ben, he has surrounded himself

450
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: by a group of what he calls his core team

451
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 4: and created a brand new company called to the Stars

452
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 4: Academy of Arts and Sciences, which you know, I saw

453
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 4: your face John when when I said that, let's talk.

454
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 4: Tell me a little bit about that, just your face

455
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 4: in general.

456
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it's very it's it's interesting no matter where

457
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,159
Speaker 1: you fall on it. It's interesting basically to try to

458
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I could read you the entire mission statement

459
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: of to the Stars Academy, but everybody would tune out,

460
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 1: I think, to to take it down to brass tacks.

461
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 1: Through various pop culture they will produce, whether it be books,

462
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: TV series, movies, they are going to begin the slow

463
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: process of disclosure. Only you're not going to realize it

464
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: because this will be done through fiction. For instance, his

465
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: first book that's already been released, Secret Machines with a

466
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: K with a K, Lots of hidden meaning there, he

467
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: would he would tell you and and but they were

468
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: going to tell real stories through these fictional avenues. And

469
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: then and then throughout that process will also via social

470
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: media be releasing pieces of information, documents, videos that also

471
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: help correspond with the disclosure. So basically he's saying, Hey,

472
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 1: we're going to fool you until you actually understand the truth,

473
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: but I'm going to tell you beforehand that we're going

474
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,719
Speaker 1: to fool you. Yeah, it's a very bizarre.

475
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:31,119
Speaker 4: Uh.

476
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't exactly say straightforward way to go.

477
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: About it, right. Yeah, it's interesting. And as as you said, John,

478
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 3: anyone can read their mission statement in full. The common

479
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 3: threads through their mission statement are the following. The first

480
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 3: is the belief that there is some greater truth and

481
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 3: that it is extraterrestrial in nature rather than an unidentified,

482
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 3: mundane construction of earthlings or rather than an existing but

483
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 3: weird natural phenomenon. They're saying, yes, aliens will tell you

484
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: by fooling you. And the second thing is the huge,

485
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 3: huge certitude that the primary reason this information has not

486
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 3: been revealed to the public falls on the shoulders of

487
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 3: the government, if not through malevolence, through incompetence in terms

488
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 3: of prioritization and bureaucracy aka red tape.

489
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: He but he does make a point to let everyone

490
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: know that while bureaucracy exists, there is a reason that

491
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: it has not been disclosed to us yet, and when

492
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 1: we find out, we're basically all going to fall on

493
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: our knees and thank them for having not told us sooner. Yeah,

494
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: the government is doing a greater good for us.

495
00:29:58,000 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: Yeah.

496
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that is an interesting angle too, because that's

497
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 3: an uncommon, very angle.

498
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 4: Right, So so how did he figure that out? How

499
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: did how did Tom DeLong guitarists, famous filthy rich guitarist

500
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 4: figure out that?

501
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: Well, for I do want to point out one thing. Okay,

502
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: we keep saying UFOs. Oh he hates, he hates that term.

503
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: They are advanced aerial threats.

504
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: Oh, okay a A A T s. Yes.

505
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: And also that while extraterrestrials have been here, some of

506
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: our reports are things basically using their technology, we have

507
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: built our own. As for instance, Roswell was constructed here

508
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 1: on Earth by humans, the by Germans, by yet correct, yes,

509
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: by Germans, thank you, And but that was us using

510
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 1: their technology. But the way he found out about it

511
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,479
Speaker 1: was as he was looking into this and doing all

512
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: of his reading, he started writing secret machines and some

513
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: deep throat type characters reached out to.

514
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 4: Him while he's touring, like during the major parts of

515
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 4: blankin Touring World.

516
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: They reached out to him and said, we need to meet,

517
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: and it's going to be very cloak and dagger. I

518
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: believe one of the quotes was, let's meet by the Pentagon.

519
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's very Hey, isn't that the world's largest office building?

520
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: I believe, Yeah, probably, I don't know.

521
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: It's just it feels like it would be difficult to

522
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 3: just go there and see who's standing by it.

523
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 4: Well, and which which side do you go by?

524
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: Google? Drive me by the Pentagon. I don't think it'll

525
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 1: take you very far.

526
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: But yeah, so this this is all true. He said

527
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: that it was, as you described, very cloak and dagger.

528
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 3: In fact, I believe he doesn't have or cannot give

529
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 3: many more specifics.

530
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's kind of a classic story that we've heard

531
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: from several other people who have this kind of thing,

532
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 4: especially when there's a book for sale where you can't

533
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 4: disclose specifics about a certain secret knowledge that you have

534
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 4: that is somewhat contained in your book, but you got

535
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: to buy it before you can know it.

536
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: It works well together that way.

537
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I don't want to go there

538
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: quite yet, but that that's a kind of a trend

539
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 4: we might see a little bit later on, but he

540
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: did say that he ended up taking high level meetings

541
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 4: all around Washington, d C. With all kinds of different people.

542
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 4: He ended up meeting with generals that he would say, yes,

543
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: it's a general, but he would not mention specifics to

544
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 4: protect himself and these individuals that he's talking to, is

545
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: what he stated. He ended up having a two hour

546
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: meeting at NASA's Aims Research Center where he was introduced

547
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 4: to another person. So he's kind of pingponging back and

548
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 4: forth between all these different people who are each connecting

549
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 4: him up with somebody else.

550
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 3: So moving through a relatively obscure network.

551
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 4: Yes, which is a very similar story to what Stephen

552
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: Greer told us, is how he ended up getting into

553
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 4: a lot of this stuff, you know, as a medical professional,

554
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 4: then all of a sudden, you know, becoming one of

555
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 4: the most well known ufologists south there.

556
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: And a theme to Tom's story is that as he

557
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: gets these introductions and has these meetings, he goes down

558
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: deeper down the rabbit hole, meaning he says something and

559
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: that leads him to be contacted by somebody even more

560
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: secret and when asked on Joe Rogan's podcast when asked

561
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: well why why, like, what were you saying that was

562
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: so intriguing to them? And he goes, well, I just

563
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: put it all together from all that reading I was

564
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: telling you guys about, I just put it all together.

565
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: I saw how the pieces all fit together. So basically,

566
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: he read a bunch of Jim Marr's books and somehow

567
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: did the whole writing on the window thing, and poof,

568
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: got the whole view of the UFO phenomenon on this earth.

569
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: Had a larger vision correct And maybe from that perspective,

570
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: if we were to take that at face value, the

571
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 3: argument is like that old anecdote of the elephant, right,

572
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: people are identifying for various parts of the animal. I

573
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 3: think we talked about this in previous shows. And someone

574
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 3: touches leg, they think it's a tree that they found.

575
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: Someone touches the nose, they think it's a snake. In

576
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: this analogy, Tom DeLong is the first one to say,

577
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,240
Speaker 3: holy smokes, that's an elephant.

578
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: Well, and you might think to yourself, come on, that's ridiculous.

579
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: You might also think to yourself, oh yeah, exactly, Just

580
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 4: depending on what you know, where your belief system is currently.

581
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 4: You know, it's easy to kind of poke fun at

582
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 4: I guess in a way, but there perhaps there is

583
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: a world in which a single individual put the right

584
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 4: pieces together in some way that an intelligence official somewhere decided,

585
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 4: oh wow, maybe maybe this guy, maybe we need to

586
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 4: control this guy, or maybe we need to talk to

587
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 4: this guy, or maybe there's some way we can use him,

588
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 4: because there's a weird thing that happened. John, do you

589
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 4: from that Joe Rogan interview, do you remember like one

590
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: of the major things he said.

591
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, after having had after having had some of those

592
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: classified meetings, he was at an airport and a gentleman

593
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: in I guess, you know, kind of typical black trench

594
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: coat type garb sat down next to him and said

595
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: we need to talk, okay, and basically goes on to

596
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: tell him that during the Cold War, we literally we

597
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: being the United States, got an extraterrestrial body. And he

598
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: goes on to to tell Tom that story and that

599
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: I think that's actually where Tom said, Well, the reason

600
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: they they picked me is because I saw the forest

601
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: through the tree and would understand and be able to

602
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: process all.

603
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 4: Of this m HM.

604
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 3: So they found living evidence of an extra terrestrial organism

605
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 3: of life form. And then again, this is a conversation

606
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:28,280
Speaker 3: in public in an airport, and the unidentified man follows

607
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 3: up too, Right, he doesn't just tell Tom this kind

608
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 3: of confirmation of this discovery. He takes it a step further, right.

609
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. Allegedly the man asked him what he needs, like,

610
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 4: what do you need son to do whatever it is

611
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 4: you're trying to do, and Tom replied, well, I need advisors.

612
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 4: Takes a village, right, yes, And boy, howdy did he

613
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 4: get some advisors. There's a long list of people we

614
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: can hit some of the major players, I guess. Well.

615
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 1: Tom goes on to say that one of the people

616
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Speaker 1: that he started conversations with with John Podesta, who was

617
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: a former advisor to President Cresident Clinton and and then

618
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: also campaign head for Hillary Clinton.

619
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: Yes, he also worked with the Obama administration.

620
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: And uh, and then and then you know he mentioned

621
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: generals earlier. Here's here's a strange side note to that.

622
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 1: When the Wiki leaks documents came out, part of those

623
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 1: were a bunch of emails, uh from various sides and

624
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: and and parts of the government, and it proved that

625
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: he actually had been communicating at length with John Podesta

626
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: about UFOs, and he had also been communicating with Major

627
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: General William McCasland, who is the commander of the Air

628
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson, which in yeah, that's

629
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 1: a big deal. That's that's like a big deal, right,

630
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: and who obviously is going to have access to highly

631
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: classified technologies and things like that. So, when you're just

632
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: about ready to dismiss this story, yes, you read these

633
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: emails and you go, huh.

634
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: And it's very important to note this, this stuff all

635
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: happens before we learn about the Pentagon program, before it's

636
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: publicly disclosed.

637
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: Before it's publicly disposed. Correct.

638
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: Wow, So he is promoting his book concurrently while he

639
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: is while is having these email exchanges with people that,

640
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: to his credit, I believe he did not identify this

641
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: WikiLeaks thing, essentially identified it.

642
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 4: Right.

643
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: So when we have when we have Tom DeLong around

644
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 3: this time period promoting his book and emailing Podesta, emailing

645
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 3: at least one general that we know of, we also have,

646
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 3: by his own account, a weird experience or run in

647
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: in a hotel room.

648
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, this is another thing from the Rogan interview.

649
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 4: He allegedly got interrogated.

650
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: Oh, the interrogation, Yeah.

651
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, on this subject by what he claims were I

652
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 4: guess CIA agents of some sort or intelligence agents of

653
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 4: some sort. And he just got grilled for a couple

654
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 4: of days, I think, is what his statement was.

655
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: Really He he kind of resets the way he terms

656
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Speaker 1: the whole thing. At first he said, yeah, they had

657
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Speaker 1: me there for two days, and then they go on

658
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Speaker 1: to well, I mean, of course I got to leave

659
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Speaker 1: at night. Yeah, so it wasn't exactly. It wasn't exactly.

660
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Speaker 1: You know, here's the glass of water in the swinging

661
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: light in front of you, and tell us what you

662
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Speaker 1: know it was. Let's just have a long form conversation

663
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: for a couple of days. I mean, I've been to

664
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Speaker 1: conferences worse than that.

665
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true, that's true.

666
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: But they where they did keep him for two days

667
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: and asking him, and he said they asked him questions

668
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: like how do you know what you know? And I

669
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Speaker 1: can't tell you that That would be his response to them.

670
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: And he also did not or could not identify these

671
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 3: people or the agency from which they claimed to originate.

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Speaker 2: But along the way, Tom DeLong, it's still Tom DeLong,

673
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 2: and he's still getting some kind of information that is

674
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Speaker 2: in some way secretive, like, say, he's just this whole

675
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 2: past time.

676
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Speaker 4: They're giving him something and.

677
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Speaker 1: Just to reset, we're talking about the guitarist for Blink

678
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: one eighty two. Yeah, I'm just saying that's true, that's true.

679
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Speaker 4: Why are these people giving him this information? Why are

680
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 4: they if it's a giant wild goose chase that they're

681
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 4: just kind of sending him down? Is it for funsies?

682
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 4: Is it because each one of these high level people

683
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 4: was like, dude, the guy from Blank one eighty two

684
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 4: showed up in my office and he talked to me

685
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: for do you want to meet him? He really wants

686
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 4: to talk to you. And everybody's like, yeah, I want

687
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 4: to meet the dude from BLeague one to eighty two,

688
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 4: send him down this way. John Panessa is like, bro,

689
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 4: hook me up. I want to meet this guy. Is

690
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: that what's happening or is there something else going on here?

691
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Do you think he could do an acoustic set for us?

692
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 3: Well, well you can meet him and you can get

693
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 3: him to sign something, but the main thing is you

694
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 3: have to Yeah, you're in is to talk about UFOs.

695
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: Yes, these heads of the do D and CIA. Yeah,

696
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: oh man, my kid would love it. Meanwhile, the kid

697
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: is probably forty.

698
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: So this is mystifying because you can see already where

699
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: there are missing pieces of the jigsaw puzzle and where

700
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 3: the various claims about those missing pieces come into play. Right.

701
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 3: Is is it a matter of necessary secrecy, as DeLong

702
00:41:57,360 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: and the other to the Stars would say, or is

703
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: it a matter of flimflam, as many of the skeptics

704
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 3: would say. We'll explore this further after a brief word

705
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: from our sponsors, assuming we don't also get black bagged

706
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: during the breaks. You guys, we made it.

707
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 4: We're here, go team, Yep, we're still here. Okay, so

708
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 4: let's jump right into this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 4: According to Tom, the reason why he's been privy to

711
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 4: this information and get in contact with all of these

712
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 4: people is because he is providing them all of these

713
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: various government organizations, these intelligence agencies. He's providing them with

714
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 4: a service, specifically communication.

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Speaker 1: A platform through which they can talk to the American people,

716
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 1: and I suppose not so scary of a way and

717
00:42:54,080 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: where people, let's say, of our age younger will pay attention. Basically,

718
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: he's saying he has access to people that they don't have.

719
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's exactly, That's exactly what he's saying at least.

720
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Speaker 3: All right, and I will respond on behalf of the

721
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: various government programs that have existed since before the CIA

722
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 3: that have effectively leveraged mass media in all forms to

723
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Speaker 3: gain support for otherwise controversial objectives like wars.

724
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Speaker 4: So we're talking about propaganda events.

725
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just okay. It is incredibly easy to understand

726
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: how someone could be skeptical about that claim, simply because

727
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 3: there is a preponderance of pre existing evidence indicating that

728
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 3: if Uncle Sam wants to approach the American public through

729
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: controlled media and through unacknowledged control of that media, not

730
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 3: only is that a possibility, it's happened. It's it's like

731
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: it's a thing they can already do. It's kind of

732
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 3: like saying Ford Factory approached me because I know a

733
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 3: place where I can buy tires, you know what I mean.

734
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Speaker 3: It doesn't quite even out.

735
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Speaker 1: Though, I will say, if planes start going overhead dropping

736
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,760
Speaker 1: leaflets with Tom Delong's face on them, I give up.

737
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Speaker 4: At that point, just go prone and wait.

738
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Speaker 1: Yeah. The first way which in which he said he's

739
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: taking or took the first step, was writing the book

740
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Speaker 1: Secret Machines Part One.

741
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Speaker 4: Yeah, the series I read it. No, which one the

742
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 4: gods or no?

743
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: Chasing Yeah, chasing shadow, Yeah, chasing shadows.

744
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Speaker 3: What's your take? Man?

745
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: There are examples throughout history, recent history, of books, and

746
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: also just people that try to tie all of the

747
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, all of the mysteries together into kind of

748
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: one uniform. A bad example is Bill Cooper with the

749
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: whole of Pale Horse.

750
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 4: Yeah that was super conspiracy.

751
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean that's a real bad example, kind

752
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: of a bad dude. But there's lots of examples of it,

753
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: and he goes for it here. I mean, just a

754
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 1: few of the topics that are covered in the book.

755
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: Foo Fighters, not the band, speaking of bands, Deglaca, the Bell, Yeah,

756
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: all about the bell. The bell is in there. So

757
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, based on what Tom's told us, he must

758
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 1: be saying that that's real. Also side note on hysteria.

759
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: Fifty one were experts on the bell. We did a

760
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 1: show on it, and the Daily Express in England I

761
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 1: wrote an entire article about the bell citing us as

762
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 1: the experts.

763
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 4: Nice.

764
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: Wow, I'm like, boy, you guys need better, but I

765
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: mean it is, well.

766
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 3: Can you can you hook us up? Look? I promise

767
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 3: other than this show and the millions of people who've

768
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: heard it. This will stay just between us. Just take

769
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: us to the bell we want to see it.

770
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: Oh please, I'll make a phone call, but I've got

771
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: to go to a Chili's at an airport to have

772
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 1: the conversation, so it might take a while.

773
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he's hatching a medic conspiracy.

774
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, cigar shaped UFOs Area fifty one. UFOs are there,

775
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: talks all about Operation paper Clip, talks about metal not

776
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: from this world that is foldable but also indestructible. I

777
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: mean even the Nazi escapes to Argentina, which to an

778
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: extent have been proven, but on a much more mass scale.

779
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 1: I mean, he hits it all. So, yeah, he's all

780
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: in on all conspiracies, and they all tie in in

781
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: this book. And that was the That was the really

782
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: interesting thing to me about the book. I kind of

783
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: thought that he would go with one theme and just

784
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 1: drive it home. You know, what happened at Roswell was

785
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: a real thing? Or Area fifty one. They really are

786
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: doing stuff like that there and just and and then

787
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: just take seven hundred pages, which it is, to form

788
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: the story around that. But I was completely wrong. He

789
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: just goes all in the deep end.

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00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 4: How's it structured.

791
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a typical mystery action book. There are

792
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: there are characters and they don't know what's going on.

793
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: There's a there's a member of the United States Air

794
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: Force who has something happened in the sky that he

795
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: can't explain, and all of a sudden, the CIA comes

796
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 1: and recruits him to work for them, and he gets

797
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: taken to Area fifty one. There is a woman who

798
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 1: is a debunker and has a website debunking things, and

799
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: she sent a mysterious package. There's a there. There's a

800
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: daughter of a financial magnate who he dies under mysterious circumstances,

801
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: and she tries to figure out what's going on. His

802
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: alleged suicide wasn't really a suicide, so they really do.

803
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: It's a it's a it's a fictional book. It's a

804
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: fun read. I have no problem with the book. It's

805
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: what's implied behind the book, but the book itself is enjoyable.

806
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 4: It sounds like a multi platform IP.

807
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 3: And you said it's a You said it's a series, right, Yeah.

808
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,839
Speaker 1: I think the second one is not out yet, but

809
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: coming out this year. A Fire within Secret Machines a

810
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: Fire within interesting so.

811
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Speaker 4: The oh and just really fast. There's another one called

812
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 4: God's Secret Machines God's Colon Volume one of God's Man

813
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 4: in War, which is kind of an introduction to the

814
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 4: whole series.

815
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Speaker 3: Apparently, so Secret Machines is its own own universe.

816
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 4: Right, it's being created that way.

817
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I started in the wrong place, man.

818
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Speaker 4: No, don't. I don't know. I honestly have not read

819
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 4: any of it. I was just looking at the Simon

820
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 4: and Schuster website and that's they were talking about that one.

821
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Speaker 3: So one thing that is always in the front of

822
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: my mind when I read meda conspiracies. That's just a

823
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 3: made up term for any book that or any belief

824
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: system that tries to combine three or more of what

825
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 3: we call single conspiracies. So one of the big questions

826
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Speaker 3: I always have when I read one of those books

827
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Speaker 3: like Behold a Pale Horse, which I think you mentioned

828
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Speaker 3: Cooper earlier, is how the hell are you going to

829
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Speaker 3: pull off a sequel? You know what I mean? Like,

830
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 3: what else are you going to take? David Ike is

831
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 3: masterful at that. I don't know how he does it,

832
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 3: or what spreadsheet he uses, or how he keeps track

833
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 3: of the things that he is adding in with successive

834
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 3: books or re examining. But I'm already very interested to

835
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 3: learn what else comes up in a fire within. And

836
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Speaker 3: as as you said, these are works of fiction, but

837
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Speaker 3: they are by the admission of the co author, Tom DeLong,

838
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 3: they are meant to serve as a doorway, a gentle

839
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Speaker 3: introduction to something that he believes in his colleagues we

840
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 3: would assume believe is absolutely true.

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Speaker 1: In fact, when the La Weekly interviewed him, hm, they

842
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: asked him a pretty simple question, what makes Secret Machines

843
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: different from other works of ufology, And DeLong said, there

844
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Speaker 1: won't be any disinformation in my project because I'm talking

845
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Speaker 1: to very high.

846
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: Level people that cannot be identified.

847
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 4: That cannot be identified, well, some of them can, because

848
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 4: we can only assume that he was working with a

849
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 4: lot of the people that ended up on the core

850
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 4: team of To the Stars Academy, which includes Tom Delane,

851
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 4: the chairman of the board.

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00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 3: Right, and he's not on the Academy, but he was

853
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 3: also working with we should say, his co writer Aj Hartley.

854
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 4: Yes, to write both both versions of Secret Machines. And

855
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 4: then there's another author who did the the other the

856
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 4: third book.

857
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: So who's on this core team to the Stars Academy.

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Speaker 3: It's not just him, right?

859
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah? The VP vice President of Operations is a

860
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 4: retired CIA officer and member of the Senior Intelligence Service

861
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 4: named Jim Semevan Semi v A n. You can look

862
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 4: him up a little bit. There's a little you can

863
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 4: learn about him. Has He's had a long career as

864
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 4: a spy and now he's the VP of operations at

865
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Speaker 4: this company.

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Speaker 1: Another really interesting guy is named Steve Justice, which, by

867
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Speaker 1: the way, awesome name.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's part of the Aerospace division. He was the

870
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Speaker 1: director for Advanced Systems at Lockheed Martin in their Advanced

871
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: system Developed programs. Uh. That's also known as skunk works.

872
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 4: Yes, that's the legit UFO stuff.

873
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: That's the guy.

874
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which is amazing because you would have

875
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 3: to one would have to imagine right that his his

876
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: bar for what he considers worthwhile in this field must

877
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 3: be extraordinarily high.

878
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 4: One would hope, well, and this is unless this is

879
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: like a retirement option, like I'm just gonna have some

880
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 4: fun over there at the To the Stars Academy.

881
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: Right right, or make some money.

882
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 4: Yeah.

883
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: The other guy that I'm I mentioned earlier Luis Elizondo,

884
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: who was the who was the head of the A

885
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: TIP program, the Secret Program and the Pentagon.

886
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 4: Uh.

887
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,240
Speaker 1: He's he's now part of the Two Stars Academy as well.

888
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: He's the director of Global Security and Special Programs.

889
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he has a massive, like you said, background

890
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 4: in human intelligence, counter intelligence. I mean, when you work

891
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 4: for the d O D in that way, it's at

892
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 4: that high level. I'm interested to know how much his

893
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 4: job is some kind of I don't know, a mole

894
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 4: in a way for you know, for intelligence agencies, just

895
00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: to see what this group is doing.

896
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one of the unanswered questions always pops up,

897
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 3: or it's never answered to people's satisfaction, which is, is

898
00:53:22,080 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 3: there a threshold of authority within the government, a threshold

899
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 3: of position after which you never really quit or retire? Right?

900
00:53:32,400 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 4: Like?

901
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't you know? An easy example would be the

902
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 3: president of the US. Once you're in there, whether it's

903
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: for four years or eight, for the rest of your life,

904
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: no matter how long or short it is, your opinion

905
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: still counts for a massive It doesn't even matter what

906
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 3: you're talking about. You could go you could go on

907
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,959
Speaker 3: Twitter and say Burger king is the best one. People

908
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 3: wouldn't even ask what you mean, would you, like, are

909
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 3: you talking fast food? Are you talking burgers? It's weird

910
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 3: because you never really retire at that level. So one

911
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 3: of the questions is, and I think this is what

912
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: you're getting at too, Matt like, is Alexondo retired?

913
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? Canny, Yeah, could he retire now?

914
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: He says, According to him, he left the Pentagon because

915
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,359
Speaker 1: there are real threats out there that need to be

916
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: investigated and they are unwilling to do so, which at

917
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: least part of that smacks of true when you hear

918
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: that that that project, the A Tip Project, had a

919
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: twenty two million dollar budget over the course of what

920
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: was it, seven years? Yeah, that is that's like the

921
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: toilet paper budget at the Pentagon. Yes, like that is

922
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,720
Speaker 1: a very small amount of money.

923
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 4: Seven and forty billion or fifty eight billion? Did they

924
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 4: get a.

925
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: Year on the books?

926
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: My only wish for Alexondo. I've seen him on numerous interviews.

927
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: You can go find them on YouTube.

928
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: Right now, don't talk about his facial hair.

929
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 1: It's so weird. It just it takes away from his credibility.

930
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:04,879
Speaker 1: It just does. He looks like a guy that would

931
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: believe this stuff.

932
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 4: No, but he also has I don't know, there's a

933
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 4: there's a certain badassery about it too. But I I

934
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 4: see what you're saying.

935
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: John My, my co host on our show, when we

936
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: mentioned that, he also disagreed with me.

937
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 3: Could you all describe his hair? For anybody who hasn't

938
00:55:25,400 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 3: hasn't seen a photo of it.

939
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 4: There's a YouTube video you can watch on the to

940
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 4: the Stars YouTube Academy site. We just recommend you watch that.

941
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 4: It's very short, it's an introduction to him as a character,

942
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 4: and you get to see it in its full glory.

943
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: Maybe the best way to put it to I want

944
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: to see if you agree, guy FIEDI only it's gray

945
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: with a soul patch.

946
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 4: Oh wow, I can totally see that. Did he have

947
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 4: frosted tips? Though I can't remember if he dad?

948
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: I don't think.

949
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 1: I think it was gray, but I think the soul

950
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: patch part is what is Yeah?

951
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 3: Is that what's throwing you off?

952
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: I think so?

953
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 4: Yeah?

954
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 3: Well, we we know though that he does have his

955
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: bona fides.

956
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we haven't even talked about the most fascinating

957
00:56:11,680 --> 00:56:14,920
Speaker 4: character yet. In my opinion, who's that that is? Doctor

958
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 4: Howell put off? Is it puff puff off? I thought

959
00:56:19,160 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 4: it was put Off, but putoff I assumed, yeah, cut off.

960
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,800
Speaker 4: It's doctor Hall put Off. He is the vice president

961
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 4: of Science and Technology. And do you guys know anything

962
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:32,439
Speaker 4: about this dude?

963
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: Uh, just the bare bones, but I think I know

964
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 3: which parts of the skeleton you're going to unearth.

965
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 4: Well, okay, here's the here are the facts. He has

966
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 4: a PhD in electrical engineering from Stanford University in California.

967
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,320
Speaker 4: That's the Stanford with accolades, one of the top schools

968
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 4: in the United States and probably the world. Right in

969
00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties and seventies, he reached OT level seven

970
00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 4: inside the Church of Scientology, right he did. He end

971
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 4: up leaving the church in the late seventies, so.

972
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: He acquired a lot of thetans.

973
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 4: He did, and one of the things that he alleges he.

974
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: Learned technically is cleaning his thetans out.

975
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know, okay, sure, can I say that

976
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 4: on air? Yeah?

977
00:57:23,800 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 3: Too much of a spoiler?

978
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 4: Sureka. But he did leave the church. But one of

979
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,240
Speaker 4: the things he says that he learned how to do

980
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,959
Speaker 4: whilst you know, going through the programs, there was how

981
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,040
Speaker 4: to remote view and what remote viewing is and how

982
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 4: to achieve it, and then that helped him work in

983
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 4: the seventies and eighties on a little thing that we

984
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:47,920
Speaker 4: mentioned earlier called Project Stargate, where you know that was

985
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 4: the Central and Defense intelligence agencies attempt to prove that

986
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 4: psychic powers or paranormal powers of some form or another

987
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 4: sure could be used for national security. And we've got

988
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 4: a whole episode on that. We've talked about it before.

989
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 4: Fascinating stuff. The men who stare at goats, It's worth it,

990
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 4: check it out. Really just fascinating. But yeah, so he

991
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 4: was a pioneer in these techniques that Project Stargate used

992
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:17,080
Speaker 4: for remote viewing, and he looked at Uri Geller specifics,

993
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 4: and a couple other guys who he and his colleagues

994
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 4: truly believed had psychic powers of some sort of ingo

995
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 4: Swan was one of the other. Yeah, you're right. He

996
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 4: also founded the Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin as

997
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 4: well as earth Tech International Incorporated, which have now formed

998
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:41,439
Speaker 4: one single thing. And the mission statement there is short

999
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 4: enough for me to read in verbatim, so it says

1000
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 4: shaping the future by innovating breakthroughs that inspire new modes

1001
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 4: of space transportation and new sources of energy. So again

1002
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 4: a lot of the similar things that the Academy is

1003
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 4: trying to achieve.

1004
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: So they were good bedfellows the get go.

1005
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 4: Absolutely, But yeah they're perfect medfellows because this is a

1006
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 4: guy who believes you can truly remote view who you know,

1007
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 4: their esp and other powers probably and they can be applied.

1008
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: Or at least believes in research. It believes there's enough indication.

1009
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 1: Careful what you say, though, he might be watching right now.

1010
00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, down in a closet somewhere. Boy, it's a

1011
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 4: long table. There are a lot of looks like a

1012
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 4: spider maybe with the ends are puffy.

1013
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 1: And they're talking into them right now. You know.

1014
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 3: There's very fascinating argument there, which is that if something

1015
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 3: like that were to exist, then of course you would

1016
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 3: want it to be discredited. Because if there was such

1017
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 3: a thing as effective, reproducible remote viewing and it was

1018
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: being used for various aspects of state craft, then what's

1019
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 3: the first thing a arrival country does kills all of

1020
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 3: those people as quickly as possible. International lobby damned. So

1021
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:10,880
Speaker 3: maybe I'm just I'm trying to brainstorm reasons or you know,

1022
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 3: I'm trying to brainstorm motivations to keep that from the

1023
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: public word to be true. But when you say the academy,

1024
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:20,520
Speaker 3: one thing that's really interesting is you're not talking Matt

1025
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 3: in some vague abstract term. You're talking about specifically to

1026
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 3: the Star's Academy. And we learned some stuff about that,

1027
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 3: right because it is like many things in our society,

1028
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 3: regardless of its aims, it is driven by a financial engine.

1029
01:00:38,600 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 3: So what do we know about that? How do the

1030
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 3: numbers work for this thing?

1031
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: Well? And when they did their big debut on stage,

1032
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: they talked about a lot of lofty goals and aspirations

1033
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: and basically doing things for the good of humanity, and

1034
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: then they ended with donate here, and that's essentially what

1035
01:00:57,360 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: it was. You can buy quote unquote stock because it's

1036
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: not like traded on the Stock exchange quote unquote stock

1037
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: of to the Stars Academy. It's five dollars a share

1038
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,120
Speaker 1: and minimum two hundred dollars spend. They've had two thousand

1039
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:17,080
Speaker 1: something purchasers so far and have already as of much

1040
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: as of March of this year, had raised two point

1041
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: five million dollars. Wow, that's nuts.

1042
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 4: To me from twenty five hundred twenty five hundred and

1043
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 4: nine individuals. According to the website.

1044
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,880
Speaker 3: Minimum donation two hundred dollars. So to get to two

1045
01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 3: point five million, that means some people were putting in

1046
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 3: every a lot more, yeah, a lot more, a significant

1047
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 3: chunk of change.

1048
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 4: Including Tom right.

1049
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah. He to get it off the ground,

1050
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: he invested six hundred thousand of his own money, and

1051
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: as a function of that, he now makes a minimum

1052
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: of one hundred thousand dollars per year in royalties from

1053
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 1: the company to become whole again.

1054
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so just to recoup Yeah.

1055
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if that will go on on

1056
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: his recouping of the funds, but right, and'll obviously be

1057
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: in a private company. All of this is just what

1058
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: they choose to.

1059
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 3: Share, right, Yeah. It is up to them regarding how

1060
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 3: much they want to disclose, and more so than it

1061
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 3: would be if they had like a public stock correct.

1062
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: So it's fascinating. Whenever we bring money into this, many

1063
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 3: people can easily feel as though it invalidates the organization entire.

1064
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 3: That's not necessarily true. I can see where that skepticism

1065
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 3: comes from. But the two things are not automatically related.

1066
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,600
Speaker 1: Right, you have to have funding to do your projects,

1067
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 1: ask NASA. Right, yeah, I mean everyone at NASA has

1068
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:49,880
Speaker 1: been complaining about the shrinking budget there for thirty years.

1069
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, ask our sales department.

1070
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: Very true.

1071
01:02:55,080 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 3: So when we talk about these projects, what exact actly

1072
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 3: are Tom Delong's claim? So what kind of stuff is

1073
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 3: to the stars Academy funding? What's the research? What gives it?

1074
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,240
Speaker 1: Depends on if you want specifics or if you want

1075
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: very general specifics numerous movies, books, and various forms of

1076
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 1: other of other materials that they will sell for profit

1077
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:26,320
Speaker 1: if you want very general. H The other aims are

1078
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:32,479
Speaker 1: to develop technologies to reveal information and well that sounds

1079
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 1: really generic. Yeah, that's because that's all they've said. Yeah,

1080
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 1: but you whenever Tom talks about it, he's like, you

1081
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 1: won't believe it. Man, Like the technology that they've exposed

1082
01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: me to, it's it's just amazing. Or told me about.

1083
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can shoot a laser of this metal and

1084
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 4: the metal will somehow generate energy. Yeah, and float time

1085
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,560
Speaker 4: travel Yeah, time travel, dude, it's very specific. He got

1086
01:03:56,560 --> 01:04:00,640
Speaker 4: crazy specific about the time travel as he did. So. Oh,

1087
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,479
Speaker 4: he says there's an artificial bubble of gravity that gets

1088
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 4: created when you're using one of these machines, and then

1089
01:04:07,840 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: everything else outside of that bubble freezes essentially everybody everybody

1090
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 4: says freeze, and then the bubble can move throughout like

1091
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Speaker 4: time and space. And you could pick up a Coca

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01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 4: cola can out of John's hand, put it in Ben's hand,

1093
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Speaker 4: and then just leave and then I guess turn it off,

1094
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 4: and then time would go back to normal and there

1095
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 4: would be a red shift. There was like a visible

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 4: red shift when you're operating the thing.

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Speaker 1: Well, my guess has to be that it must operate

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01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: on red mercury, oh, like the bell. Yeah, and that's

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01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:43,200
Speaker 1: I assume that's why there would be a red shift.

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01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 4: That's that's probably what it is.

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01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,000
Speaker 1: And also, if you're going to make the greatest discovery

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01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 1: in the history of humanity, which that would be, the

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01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,920
Speaker 1: first thing you obviously would do would be start playing

1104
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:56,920
Speaker 1: practical jokes on people with Coca colas.

1105
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 3: That's right, right. Yeah. The other thing is, you know,

1106
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 3: not to get to in the weeds about it. But

1107
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 3: the bubble concept is difficult because it sets a threshold

1108
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 3: for where the flow of time differentiates. So how could

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01:05:14,040 --> 01:05:16,120
Speaker 3: you reach outside of the bubble. How could you take

1110
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 3: that from the coke from one end to the other.

1111
01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:22,720
Speaker 3: Are you somehow okay? You know what, it's a different show.

1112
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 1: It's a different show.

1113
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 3: That's one of those claims.

1114
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 4: If the person's hand holding the Coca cola entered the

1115
01:05:27,560 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 4: bubble right in order for you to manipulate it whilst

1116
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 4: inside the bubble, what happens to that hand?

1117
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 3: Would it be like that remake of The Time Machine

1118
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,000
Speaker 3: where he fight spoiler.

1119
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 1: Alert guy Pierce.

1120
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, where he gets in a fight with

1121
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:47,440
Speaker 3: the head morlock and then like they age precipitously when

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01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 3: they're outside of the bubble. I'm gonna watch it again.

1123
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: You come back with a hand that is just a skeleton. Yeah,

1124
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: that was not that practical joke was not worthwhile.

1125
01:05:57,400 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 3: I want my two hundred dollars back.

1126
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 4: Yes, And if you are doing, you know, practical jokes

1127
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 4: with stuff in hands, I gotta say I think switching

1128
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 4: out guns for bananas is probably the best.

1129
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: That's what I would do. Couldn't agree more So.

1130
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 3: We talked about some of the other things that he believes,

1131
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 3: as you said, John, that the roswell material recovered was

1132
01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 3: from a German manufactured vehicle, well, an Argentinian manufactured vehicle,

1133
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: right by a German scientist in exile.

1134
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he said. And specifically, the project paper

1135
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 4: Clip is about a lot more than what we think

1136
01:06:36,080 --> 01:06:38,959
Speaker 4: it's about, with the same basic goal get the top

1137
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 4: scientists from Germany to work for us rather than let's say,

1138
01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 4: for Russia or somebody else. But he thinks, and he

1139
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 4: would not say what it was, but it was about

1140
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,960
Speaker 4: something else. They knew how to reverse engineer some of

1141
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 4: this technology.

1142
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,520
Speaker 1: They were more they were more in tune with and

1143
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: advanced with the alien technology than we were. And that's

1144
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: why we have to go get it. And that's why

1145
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,400
Speaker 1: we gave Werner von Braun the house in the Hamptons.

1146
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:07,240
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and said here, this is NASA.

1147
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: I want to run it.

1148
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1149
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 3: So these are already what we call tall milkshakes. It's

1150
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 3: kind of it's all order to accept this fundamentally without

1151
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:24,040
Speaker 3: a higher degree of proof. Right, you can see videos

1152
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 3: of plenty. We're all familiar with YouTube if we listen

1153
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 3: to podcasts. But if there is some sort of unidentifiable

1154
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:36,800
Speaker 3: alloy from that was recovered from a crash site, then

1155
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 3: the logical assumption is that more people would believe you

1156
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 3: if that were made public and available for study. But

1157
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 3: these are not all of the claims. There are a

1158
01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: couple of more things they believes correct.

1159
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well, I mean we can get all too

1160
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 4: all of them. But there it's obvious that Tom DeLong

1161
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 4: in some way at least personally believes in a lot

1162
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 4: of YouTube UF videos or aerial threat vehicles videos of

1163
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 4: them that exist online. Videos that as a video professional,

1164
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 4: or at least a former video professional, you can easily

1165
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 4: see our after effects projects right pretty easily, and I

1166
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,640
Speaker 4: think people are more discerning now about a lot of

1167
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 4: these things. With photoshop, you can kind of tell when

1168
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 4: something has been manipulated, but if someone's really good at it,

1169
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 4: it's harder to tell. But you can still see motion

1170
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 4: shaken there, or someone specifically blurring an image on purpose

1171
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 4: at a certain time. He believes in this thing called

1172
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 4: the tr three b astro, which has been shown in

1173
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 4: gosh countless videos. He showed one on the Joe Rogan Experience,

1174
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 4: and it was obviously fake in my opinion, And that

1175
01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,280
Speaker 4: kind of thing doesn't do a great job of boosting

1176
01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 4: your credit, I guess in this sphere for me at

1177
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,640
Speaker 4: least in my opinion. And the other big thing is

1178
01:08:57,680 --> 01:09:00,639
Speaker 4: the Moon missions, the Apollo Moon mission.

1179
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 1: Yes, one thing on the video that he showed on

1180
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan, not only did he say he believes that

1181
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:12,519
Speaker 1: he inferred that a technology similar or perhaps exact, is

1182
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: going to be revealed to the world through the To

1183
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 1: the Stars Academy imminently.

1184
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1185
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: Really hasn't happened yet. Yeah, and that was I don't know,

1186
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, at least a year ago. Yeah, but it

1187
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet.

1188
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and then there's the whole thing with the

1189
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:35,320
Speaker 4: Apollo Moon mission. He believes, and he stayed in and

1190
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,320
Speaker 4: I think they've discussed this before, that the Apollo Moon

1191
01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 4: missions were successful, they were real. The problem is this

1192
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 4: whole disinformation thing about the Moon landing being faked. It

1193
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:49,879
Speaker 4: was propagated by these same control forces that he believes

1194
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,840
Speaker 4: has been kind of trickling out disclosure over the years,

1195
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 4: specifically because they didn't want the public asking questions about what.

1196
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,519
Speaker 1: They found on the Moon while they were there.

1197
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1198
01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:05,040
Speaker 3: I see, Okay, So it's the it's the larger pattern

1199
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 3: of the accepted things or the rumored things are true,

1200
01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: but with a twist. There's always a new twist on this.

1201
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 3: So these we're just touching a little bit on some

1202
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:19,800
Speaker 3: of the claims, and you can find many of these

1203
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,920
Speaker 3: claims in further detail in different interviews, several of which

1204
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,920
Speaker 3: have actually been apparently pulled from the net and they're

1205
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,720
Speaker 3: kind of tough to find now. But this leads us

1206
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 3: to several conclusions or guesses. The big question is what next?

1207
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: What does this mean? Where does this all go? And

1208
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 3: with that, John, I think we'd have to defer to you,

1209
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 3: what do you think, ma'am, what do you think this

1210
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 3: is headed?

1211
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,240
Speaker 1: To understand where it's going to go? I think first

1212
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:58,519
Speaker 1: you have to look at what he's actually doing and

1213
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,599
Speaker 1: understanding his motivation if we can, and to me, there's

1214
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 1: only there's three possible, three basic possibilities there. First, he's

1215
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 1: completely telling the truth. We are we're just a little

1216
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 1: too skeptical here, but he's he's on the money and

1217
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,439
Speaker 1: et has been here and he is the agent of

1218
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: disclosure for the government. Okay, that's option one. Option two

1219
01:11:24,280 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 1: is the flip side of that coin. He is completely lying.

1220
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,679
Speaker 1: He is in this for the money. It is a

1221
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: for profit business and he is going to profit and

1222
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: really use this to extend further, extend his ip you know,

1223
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 1: his his his books, his movies, et cetera. The third

1224
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: possibility which I find intriguing because we have talked about

1225
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: his connections. It is nuts, the connections that he has,

1226
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,880
Speaker 1: the people he's had meetings with, and even the people

1227
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:57,759
Speaker 1: on that board that we mentioned earlier. It's kind of crazy.

1228
01:11:58,120 --> 01:12:00,280
Speaker 1: How does he get access to those people? And so

1229
01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:03,040
Speaker 1: for me, the third possibility is he is an agent

1230
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: of disinformation. And this would not be as I'm sure

1231
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:10,519
Speaker 1: you've talked about on this show, the first time that

1232
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:17,480
Speaker 1: real disinformation has been in the UFO world, not tenfoil

1233
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 1: hat type of oh we think the government's behind it,

1234
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: you know, proven out. I mean, you look back at

1235
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 1: Paul Benowitz, Paul. If your listeners aren't familiar with the story,

1236
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: to make it a really long story short, essentially, he

1237
01:12:31,200 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 1: was seeing aliens everywhere, but he actually he accidentally stumbled

1238
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:39,880
Speaker 1: into some real classified programs and they're like, well, we

1239
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: need to we need to throw them off the track.

1240
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 1: So they incorporated two guys, Bill Moore, who wrote a

1241
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:50,040
Speaker 1: book about Roswell actually and Richard Dody, and they started

1242
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: working Benowitz and saying, not trying to steer him away

1243
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,120
Speaker 1: from the UFOs, They're trying to actually get him away

1244
01:12:56,120 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: from the secret real project and started telling you were

1245
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,880
Speaker 1: absolutely right about aliens, and their mission was to drive

1246
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: him insane, to drive him looney tunes, and they succeeded.

1247
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 1: He spent the preponderance of his life after they created

1248
01:13:08,600 --> 01:13:11,519
Speaker 1: all of this fake evidence in in and out of

1249
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: mental facilities.

1250
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:13,240
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1251
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: And that was Bill Moore, the guy I mentioned earlier,

1252
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 1: literally at a Moufon conference in I think the late eighties,

1253
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: came out and said, Hey, everybody, I have been an

1254
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,080
Speaker 1: agent of disinformation on the behalf of the CIA. But

1255
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 1: it's it's all good because I was doing it so

1256
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 1: I could learn more. These are all these are all really,

1257
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,840
Speaker 1: these are all real things. These aren't these are proven out,

1258
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: These are you know, admitted to things. Are we looking

1259
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: at Tom DeLong as Benowitz all over again and he

1260
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: just doesn't know it.

1261
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead and say, in my opinion, I

1262
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 4: think that's probably closer to what's happening, because if you

1263
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:53,000
Speaker 4: look back the Richard ce Doughty thing, that that is

1264
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,679
Speaker 4: a story that's stuck with me since our Stephen Greer interview,

1265
01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:59,640
Speaker 4: because he he posits that that guy, he has that

1266
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 4: guy and control and he knows, you know, how this

1267
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:05,200
Speaker 4: guy manipulates, and he knows when he's telling the truth,

1268
01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:07,439
Speaker 4: and this Richard Doty would never lie to him and

1269
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 4: all this stuff. And I feel like when you get

1270
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 4: too deep into this world and you feel like you're

1271
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 4: down that rabbit hole to a certain extent and like

1272
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 4: far enough, then how can you tell when someone is

1273
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 4: being honest with you or not. I mean, I think

1274
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 4: it gets really confusing. And I have a feeling that

1275
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 4: Tom DeLong has found himself somewhere again just my opinion,

1276
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 4: in that gradient of not sure who he can really

1277
01:14:34,200 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 4: trust anymore, so he kind of has to just go with.

1278
01:14:36,320 --> 01:14:42,040
Speaker 3: It when articles of proof become replaced by matters of

1279
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:47,000
Speaker 3: trust or articles of faith. Essentially, yeah, it's a dangerous thing.

1280
01:14:47,160 --> 01:14:50,559
Speaker 3: And it's easy if this is true. It's easy for

1281
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 3: people on the outside to look at this, askance and say, well, sure,

1282
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,600
Speaker 3: maybe to someone else that would happen, but never to me.

1283
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 3: The problem is is that when these sorts of things occur,

1284
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,519
Speaker 3: it's never a light switch. It's always a matter of

1285
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:08,360
Speaker 3: gradients and increments and.

1286
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 1: Degrees it's a trickle.

1287
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 3: It's a trickle, right, like the spread of disclosure.

1288
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:14,320
Speaker 4: Right.

1289
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 3: So this brings us to one of the most important questions, folks,

1290
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 3: we would like to hear from you. What do you

1291
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 3: think about this? Where do you think this is going?

1292
01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 3: What do you think about the possibilities that John has raised?

1293
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,519
Speaker 3: Would you say that there is something else there? Do

1294
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 3: you have a definite pick? Is this guy definitely lying

1295
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,640
Speaker 3: on purpose to you and the public at large? Is

1296
01:15:43,680 --> 01:15:47,720
Speaker 3: this absolutely true? Is he being lied to and use?

1297
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,280
Speaker 4: And why? Why are those other people working for him?

1298
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the part I can't get over. I just

1299
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:58,320
Speaker 1: if it's not if it's not disinformation, what that's the

1300
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: most intriguing part of this story to me. The reason

1301
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:06,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it is these are skunk works. Yeah,

1302
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 1: he's part of this. To the Stars Academy it's just crazy.

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Speaker 3: And you know, I the only thing that I will

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Speaker 3: go on record saying, as in my own personal opinion,

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Speaker 3: is that I feel like they could have chosen a

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Speaker 3: much better name. To the Stars Academy sounds like a

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Speaker 3: knockoff Space camp.

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Speaker 4: It is a little weird, it's kind of long. It

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Speaker 4: feels like it should have a more singular, iconic name

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Speaker 4: because eventually, you know, maybe it's gonna be a giant corporation.

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Speaker 1: The yeah, it sounds it sounds like the kind of

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Speaker 1: place where everybody gets a participation medal.

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Speaker 3: Right, right, yeah, pick at scary name. That could also

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Speaker 3: be a venture capitalist company or something, you know, like

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Speaker 3: something that sounds powerful but made up, like the car

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Speaker 3: name for a V eight. You know it's to call

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Speaker 3: it Vitipurian or something. You know people would be into that.

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Speaker 4: Well, speaking of participation, Hey, John, thanks for being on

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Speaker 4: the show with us today. This was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Guys, thanks so much for having me. This is great.

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Speaker 1: I've I've been listening to this show for much longer

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Speaker 1: than we've been doing ours. This show has been an

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Speaker 1: inspiration for our show and it was such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: and a thrill to get to sit down and talk

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Speaker 1: through blankwent Ady two with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you for bringing conspiracy butot on as well. Again,

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Speaker 3: we would like to recommend Hysteria fifty one. If you

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Speaker 3: enjoy our show, do please head on over to John's

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Speaker 3: show and check it out. We often run into some

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Speaker 3: of the same things, but we always as shows uncover

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Speaker 3: different facets of information. We will take it in different

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Speaker 3: directions because there are so many paths to travel here

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Speaker 3: on the edge of the known world.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you can check out episodes that John and Brenn

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Speaker 4: have done on Remote Viewing Gray Alien Area fifty one, Roswell,

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Speaker 4: the Battle of Los Angeles I can go on. If

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Speaker 4: you liked this episode, go check that out.

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Speaker 3: Now Battle of Los Angeles especially, that's a good win.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the entry point for a lot of people

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Speaker 1: on our shows. We did a two parter on the

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Speaker 1: flat Earth, and we had two of the YouTube experts

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Speaker 1: on flat Earth, but we also had a guy from NASA,

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Speaker 1: a guy from SpaceX and A and an astrophysicist nice

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Speaker 1: X and it was three hours of pure torment for me,

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Speaker 1: not just being able to call him names. But people

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Speaker 1: enjoyed the show.

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Speaker 4: So where'd you end up? Definitely flat?

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Speaker 1: Oh, completely, yeah, although I can't figure out how it's

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Speaker 1: both flat and hollow, so I'm just going with both.

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, it's like a recy cup with

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Speaker 3: the peanut butter taken out, got it, and it's slowly

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Speaker 3: moving down in a screw shaped fashion on the back

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Speaker 3: of a turtle, on the back of Yes, it's a tortoise.

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Speaker 1: But that's why. That's why you guys are the professionals.

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Speaker 3: Boy, So John, where can people we'll learn more about

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Speaker 3: Hysteria fifty one.

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Speaker 1: Well, obviously it's available on any podcast er, so just

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Speaker 1: search Hysteria fifty one. If you want to go to Facebook,

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Speaker 1: we have a discussion group where we talk about all

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. It's called Hysterianation, so you would just

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Speaker 1: search hysterianation. But if you can't remember any of that,

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Speaker 1: just go to our website Hysteria fifty one dot com.

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Speaker 3: Great, and while you're online, you can find us at Instagram, Facebook, Twitter,

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Speaker 3: check out our community page. Here's where it gets crazy.

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Speaker 3: You can hear more from the most important members of

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Speaker 3: this show. That's right, you and your fellow listeners. At

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Speaker 3: full disclosure, Matt Nol and I are active on there

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Speaker 3: as well. You might see us dropping by making a comment,

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Speaker 3: especially on memes for some reason.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's our favorite one.

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Speaker 3: Posing questions finding new stuff for the show, So.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, find us on Facebook, Twitter, Conspiracy Stuff Conspiracy Stuff

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Speaker 4: show on Instagram. You can go to stuff they Don't

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Speaker 4: Want you to Know dot com and check out every

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Speaker 4: episode we've ever done. Our videos, all kinds of stuff,

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Speaker 4: or just you know, find us on the podcatters. That's fine,

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