Speaker 1: You know who it is, Big Loon. We got trapped
Speaker 1: Lord Ross. Today We're gonna be talking about a lot
Speaker 1: of things. You know, It's a lot of information to
Speaker 1: be spoken about. It's a lot of game to be had.
Speaker 1: He's been instrumental in a bunch of things that I've
Speaker 1: took a liking to. But I do think that there's
Speaker 1: some pushback that needs to be had. This dude is
Speaker 1: a content creator of the highest form. Right over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days, they've been kind of mashing him
Speaker 1: up with ten ninety Jake. He's a little different than
Speaker 1: Jake though, he actually is a content creator like and
Speaker 1: I'll get to some of his his way of coming
Speaker 1: in the coach and how he got here and all
Speaker 1: of that. But it's gonna be a good one. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a great conversation. He's been welcoming to all
Speaker 1: questions and all criticism, and he's been able to sit
Speaker 1: with people like academics, King Vaughan's old manager, Adam twenty two,
Speaker 1: a lot of those people I've had on my platform
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, I'm Big Loan. So for
Speaker 1: those of you that's knew around here, which I don't
Speaker 1: know if anyone that has not saw my face. I'm
Speaker 1: the dude that is taking over right when we talk
Speaker 1: about podcasting, I'm the guy that went and got a
Speaker 1: couple of deals. I did a little babies roll out,
Speaker 1: money bag yo, rollout. So I'm one of the biggest
Speaker 1: you know, and also the real ones check in with me.
Speaker 1: So if you guys got questions, if you guys want
Speaker 1: to interact with the conversation, it's definitely a situation where
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna definitely let you guys in on it.
Speaker 1: So I am here. What's going on? My god?
Speaker 2: What's good man? Good to connect, Good to be here finally. Sorry,
Speaker 2: sorry it took me so long to settle and get
Speaker 2: to you, but I'm here now. I'm excited to talk.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Good man, I've been seeing you making you round, so
Speaker 1: I know you've been a busy guy after that King
Speaker 1: Vaughn thing came out, so I know how that works. Definitely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy, man, because you know, I've been
Speaker 2: doing this for a few years, but I never had
Speaker 2: I never had a tension on this level.
Speaker 3: You know. I had a lot of different.
Speaker 2: People asking me for interviews, for appearances, for debates, so
Speaker 2: it's been a lot to handle. But I got shout
Speaker 2: out Adam twenty two man, because he told me, I
Speaker 2: got checking with you. He said, I've got to make
Speaker 2: sure that this one happens.
Speaker 1: So that's my man.
Speaker 3: I'm here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my guy, Adam. That's my guy. Man. I
Speaker 1: went out there and dealt with Adam. We talked behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, out of time. Adam's running the multi million
Speaker 1: dollar business. I'm running a multi million dollar business, so
Speaker 1: we talk all the time about those things. Shout out Adam,
Speaker 1: shout out, no jump. But he's been he's hey, he's
Speaker 1: headed rough here lately.
Speaker 3: It's been up and down for him.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: You know, I think it's been like you say, you know,
Speaker 2: it's tough. You know, I'm not I'm not a multimillion
Speaker 2: dollar business yet, but you know what I'm saying, I'm
Speaker 2: still grinding. I'm coming a long way over the list
Speaker 2: few months. But I look up to Adam a lot,
Speaker 2: and you know, I can tell that his operation, there's
Speaker 2: a lot going on, you know, a lot of people
Speaker 2: to keep happy. So I know it's been a tough, tough,
Speaker 2: tough situation for him the past few months. But you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, I got love for Adam, I
Speaker 2: got love for all of the guys that you know,
Speaker 2: we're on No Jumper and on anymore. You know, it
Speaker 2: was really sad to kind of see that that breakup happened.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying, I love all those
Speaker 2: guys and I know they're going to keep winning.
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, there my guys, ad them, my guys, Adam,
Speaker 1: my guy. You know, it's business at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. You know, me and Adam talked the other day.
Speaker 1: I say, yo, you took a hit. But he just
Speaker 1: got to basically find his chicken sandwich, you know, like Pope's,
Speaker 1: Like the menu was the menu, but when they introduced
Speaker 1: their chicken sandwich, the line was wrapped around the building.
Speaker 1: So now he has to just figure out what that
Speaker 1: is to his audience. And I believe he has an
Speaker 1: opportunity to do so. So it'll just be it'll just
Speaker 1: be a process of finding what that new niche is.
Speaker 1: He may have to walk completely away from you know,
Speaker 1: what he was doing at first with those guys, right
Speaker 1: and just try to plug more people in. He may
Speaker 1: have to kind of re you know, reimagine what he
Speaker 1: wants to do on camera. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I think what's good is that
Speaker 2: he seems to have, you know, checked in with some
Speaker 2: new interesting people. You know, he's got caught brick Baby.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big fan of brick Baby, and
Speaker 2: I think he's great on camera. So you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, it's it's a good opportunity for new talent
Speaker 2: to come through. You know, I'm still watching, still watching
Speaker 2: back on fig Community, but you know, new talent on
Speaker 2: No Jump is interesting too, man, So it's it's kind
Speaker 2: of good to see what's going on. Obviously it's tough,
Speaker 2: but hell man, you know there's a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of podcast beefs over the year, and you know,
Speaker 2: the big whole Joe Budden breakup was obviously a big
Speaker 2: thing I was into.
Speaker 3: At the time.
Speaker 2: So yeah, ain't need to running the podcast out here.
Speaker 1: That's where I got on you from. And I want
Speaker 1: my audience to know because I know they want me
Speaker 1: to like and we're gonna have some conversations about all
Speaker 1: of the King Vaughn and some of that shit. But
Speaker 1: I know they want me to get him long, like
Speaker 1: talk to him about this shit loan because you're the guy,
Speaker 1: and we'll get to talk about it. But I do
Speaker 1: want people to know that I do respect what you do,
Speaker 1: right I saw. I remember when I first saw you
Speaker 1: on the Joe Budden podcast Breakup. I said, oh, this dude,
Speaker 1: I actually pitched you to a big company and I
Speaker 1: just didn't reach out to you just yet. But but
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you behind the scenes about a few things.
Speaker 1: But you know, the way you do that documentary style
Speaker 1: thing is just I really appreciate that, right, I want
Speaker 1: you to know that. And that's before the King Vaughn thing. Now,
Speaker 1: the King Vaughn thing, it sent waves through the culture because.
Speaker 2: I wasn't expecting it, to be honest, it was more
Speaker 2: than I was. I was dogging for.
Speaker 1: I know it. Tell me, tell me your upbringing before
Speaker 1: we get to all of that stuff. Tell the people
Speaker 1: where you're from, how you were born and raised, things
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm happy to talk about that. So I
Speaker 2: was born in London, or sort of like an area
Speaker 2: that's sort of the south of London. Some people say
Speaker 2: it's not London, some people say it is, but area
Speaker 2: called Croydon, which is kind of you know, it's got
Speaker 2: a little bit of a reputation, but you know, at
Speaker 2: the same time, you know, I lived there till I
Speaker 2: was about five or six, and then my family relocated
Speaker 2: to a very small town on the south coast of England.
Speaker 2: You probably never heard of this town, but it's a
Speaker 2: town called Bognor, Regis. It's a very small town. It's
Speaker 2: by the seaside, by the beach. You know, I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: it's not a very diverse town. You know, it's sort
Speaker 2: of a very kind of simple British people. Not to
Speaker 2: disrespect them, but it's you know, it's a small town,
Speaker 2: you know, small, small opportunities.
Speaker 3: Not a lot going on there.
Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, man, you know, I grew
Speaker 2: up loving hip hop and where I'm from it's not
Speaker 2: a very hip hop place, you know where in the UK.
Speaker 2: You know, London's really the big place for hip hop.
Speaker 2: But I moved out of London when I was very young.
Speaker 2: But fortunately I grew up just when the Internet was
Speaker 2: really kind of hitting, and so I was a young kid,
Speaker 2: you know, nine ten years old on the Internet, downloading music,
Speaker 2: listening to people like jay Z fifty seven, Eminem and
Speaker 2: you know, my parents didn't understand I had two older
Speaker 2: brothers that were super into hip hop, and really I
Speaker 2: was just like an internet baby, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: I was kind of getting raised by rappers on the Internet.
Speaker 2: Listening to all of these stories, you know, the success,
Speaker 2: the danger, the lifestyle, the ups and downs. Like I say,
Speaker 2: people like jay Z, you know, listening to his story
Speaker 2: coming from the Massy Projects where I was growing up
Speaker 2: at the time, was just you know, it's the complete opposite.
Speaker 2: You know, no pun intended, but it was black and
Speaker 2: white day and night. What I was living to what
Speaker 2: I was hearing in these songs about people like jay Z,
Speaker 2: them dmx eminem was it was fascinating to me, honestly,
Speaker 2: and I was just in love with hip hop. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't have many friends that liked hip hop. But
Speaker 2: like I said, I grew up in a very small,
Speaker 2: boring town. You know, not much happened, you know, there
Speaker 2: wasn't there wasn't much going on.
Speaker 1: So what would you say? What would you say? Because
Speaker 1: I know your love from hip hop is there. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people share that across the world.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Hip hop is just such a magnet, right, It's something
Speaker 1: that draws people to it. But it's our culture. Right,
Speaker 1: So where did where did you gain your understanding of it?
Speaker 1: Not your love for it, but your understanding because that's
Speaker 1: a little different, and that's when you get into the weeds. Right,
Speaker 1: your love for it could have you speak on something
Speaker 1: that you may not understand. So now we got to
Speaker 1: figure out where the understanding of hip hop and that
Speaker 1: culture comes from. Seeing that you did grow up in
Speaker 1: the area that really didn't have all all of what
Speaker 1: we've been through, right, Like me, did you ever did
Speaker 1: you ever do backwards flips on mattresses or play football
Speaker 1: up the heel or nick knock or do you even
Speaker 1: know what nick knock is? Or like you know some
Speaker 1: of these things what our culture grew up in. It's
Speaker 1: like where did where did you get your understanding of it?
Speaker 1: Was it through the music?
Speaker 3: Is nick knock?
Speaker 2: Is that like when you knock on the door and
Speaker 2: run away in the UK? In the UK we call
Speaker 2: that knockdown ginger?
Speaker 1: Okay, So it's different, different verbis yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'll be honest, man, you know, like
Speaker 2: I say, you know, it begun with the music and
Speaker 2: really it was you know, it was another world to me.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, you know, and I think you make
Speaker 2: a good point. You know, I understand I understood the music,
Speaker 2: but I didn't understand the culture. You know, I'd never uh,
Speaker 2: I'd never been to some of the places I was
Speaker 2: hearing about in this music. It was only through the internet,
Speaker 2: you know, listening to them, listening to the songs, and
Speaker 2: like reading the lyrics. You know, when you get like
Speaker 2: a back in the day, you'd get CD. You'd actually
Speaker 2: buy album, you know, like the Blueprint or something on CD,
Speaker 2: and sometimes you might have or on vinyl and it
Speaker 2: might have all the lyrics you know, in the booklet
Speaker 2: or stuff like that, you know. And I would really
Speaker 2: study hip hop and the rappers that I was into,
Speaker 2: and honestly just the details, you know. And for me,
Speaker 2: I think it was actually like a case that I
Speaker 2: kind of knew I didn't have that cultural understanding of
Speaker 2: the music, and I was really just trying to learn
Speaker 2: as much as I possibly could, you know, I think
Speaker 2: I was always just really hungry and thirsty to know
Speaker 2: about hip hop, Like these artists were inspiring me, and
Speaker 2: you know, I wanted to learn more about jay Z's past.
Speaker 2: I wanted to know what, what's it like in New York?
Speaker 2: You know, what is the massie projects, Like what's the
Speaker 2: history of these places? Like and really just between listening
Speaker 2: to the music, you know, doing research on the internet
Speaker 2: that type of thing. You know, I just I was
Speaker 2: just obsessed with hip hop and these rappers that are
Speaker 2: idolized and then over the years, you know, I just
Speaker 2: learned more about it.
Speaker 3: And you know, it's kind of.
Speaker 2: An interesting transition because when I was eighteen, I moved
Speaker 2: to London. I kind of moved back to like the
Speaker 2: center of London. And you know, London's interesting because, you know,
Speaker 2: unlike where I grew up. You know, London is very multicultural.
Speaker 2: You've got a lot of people from different backgrounds. You know,
Speaker 2: Black Asian you know, obviously is a big Asian sort
Speaker 2: of community in the UK.
Speaker 3: You know, people of.
Speaker 2: Indian and Pakistani descent especially, as well like Afro Caribbean
Speaker 2: people from you know, different areas, different countries in Africa
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So it was interesting for me.
Speaker 2: I kind of moved back to London and you know,
Speaker 2: I'll just be real with you. You know, I came from
Speaker 2: a place.
Speaker 3: That was very white.
Speaker 2: You know, there weren't really many black people growing up
Speaker 2: where I grew up. You know, we probably had like
Speaker 2: one black dude in our school realistically, and you know,
Speaker 2: when I moved to London, it was just more multicultural.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I'd like to think of myself as pretty open minded.
Speaker 2: You know, the rappers and the people I idolized growing
Speaker 2: up a lot of successful Can you.
Speaker 1: Be open minded if you didn't grow up around us, Like,
Speaker 1: how do you develop that?
Speaker 2: It's an interesting one because I think for me, because
Speaker 2: I listened to so much hip hop music, I think
Speaker 2: I was just open minded to black culture in general.
Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily just hip hop music, like black comedians too.
Speaker 2: I used to love deaf comedy jam Dave Chappelle, like
Speaker 2: way back, you know before obviously Chappelle was always big,
Speaker 2: but like where he's at now, you know, when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, it was like early Chappelle's show he
Speaker 2: was doing like Live at the fillmore deaf comedy jam,
Speaker 2: And I guess I was just really I just liked
Speaker 2: black culture. I just I found black comedians funny, and
Speaker 2: I found a lot of white comedians not as funny,
Speaker 2: or I just it's funny because it's like I can't
Speaker 2: really say I related to it more because I didn't
Speaker 2: live that experience. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 2: all I would listen to is hip hop music. I
Speaker 2: didn't relate to the pop music that my friends were
Speaker 2: listening to at school. I couldn't get into it. I
Speaker 2: didn't like it. I wanted to listen to jay Z,
Speaker 2: I wanted to listen to DMX, I wanted to listen
Speaker 2: to NAS and you know, to be honest, I guess
Speaker 2: it's just a case of like that, I would probably
Speaker 2: say that were racist people.
Speaker 3: You know, where I grew up, it's very white.
Speaker 1: Clothes, That's what I'm saying. So okay, So let's focus
Speaker 1: on the words, right because you say that yo, I
Speaker 1: was open minded, but where I'm from it racist people.
Speaker 1: And so at some point you want us to believe
Speaker 1: that you're the only one that came out of there
Speaker 1: without the racism on them. You see what I'm saying now.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but for the sake of conversation, we
Speaker 1: got ahead a conversation. If you come from a place
Speaker 1: where it's mostly one black dude in the school, how
Speaker 1: do you get from that to speaking on black culture?
Speaker 1: And then number two, my second question would be, let's
Speaker 1: focus on the words of open minded or infatuated? Were
Speaker 1: you just infatuated with culture? Because I was infatuated with
Speaker 1: my own culture as a youngster, Like you say, def comedy, jam,
Speaker 1: the rap stuff. But for you to be open minded
Speaker 1: would kind of speak to an understanding. You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Open minded does it speak to engaging with
Speaker 1: or like listening to or you know, seeking after it?
Speaker 1: Kind of open minded, in my opinion, speaks to an
Speaker 1: understanding of of that culture. So help me with those
Speaker 1: two questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess the way I see it is it's
Speaker 2: just like, you know, I gained a lot of understanding
Speaker 2: and knowledge about hip hop through listening to hip hop music.
Speaker 2: It's the only genre that I wanted to listen to,
Speaker 2: you know, I think, and you know, I don't think
Speaker 2: it's necessarily fair to say if I'm from an area
Speaker 2: that's like predominantly white and there are a lot of
Speaker 2: racist people, that that necessarily makes me racist. You know,
Speaker 2: I left that area I moved to London.
Speaker 1: Doesn't make you racist. But you do come from you know,
Speaker 1: your environment does dictate your outlook, right, and it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to believe that you can come from a
Speaker 1: place where you see no black people at all, and
Speaker 1: not that you're racist. Right. I don't want to say
Speaker 1: you're racist, because I don't think you're racist. I really
Speaker 1: believe you enjoy our culture. But I think your understanding
Speaker 1: of some things that happen in the culture can be
Speaker 1: off a little bit. And that's why we're going to
Speaker 1: have a conversation to kind of see where we live at,
Speaker 1: Like what can we do to either figure out Oh yeah, fuck,
Speaker 1: I didn't think about that, or no, I thought about that,
Speaker 1: But this is just how I look at it. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking when you come from and I don't
Speaker 1: want to hang up on this a lot, but if
Speaker 1: you come from a place where you see one black person, right,
Speaker 1: first of all, how did you discover hip hop? Was
Speaker 1: it the internet? Yeah?
Speaker 3: So first off, let me just jump back.
Speaker 2: I think I just want to make it clear out
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily really agree with that premise as far
Speaker 2: as like if you're from an area that is, say,
Speaker 2: predominantly white, that you're going to be racist. You know,
Speaker 2: for example, like if you come from an area that's
Speaker 2: high crime, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to
Speaker 2: be a criminal, you know what I'm saying. So, but
Speaker 2: what you won't see crunch the person by their environment
Speaker 2: they're from, if you get what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 2: kind of like, you know, I just I just want
Speaker 2: to make it clear, like I don't think that me
Speaker 2: being from an area that's predominantly white necessarily should should
Speaker 2: lead to like an assumption being made about the type
Speaker 2: of person I am. You know, I want to be
Speaker 2: judged on my actions and the content of my character
Speaker 2: rather than where I'm from or the color of my skin.
Speaker 1: You know you will be. What I'm saying is I'm
Speaker 1: not speaking to your behavior. I'm speaking to your understanding.
Speaker 1: So I'm speaking to if I grow up in a
Speaker 1: house where domestic violence is prevalent, when I come outside
Speaker 1: of it at home, I don't see that as abnormal.
Speaker 1: I don't see when I see a man fight a woman,
Speaker 1: I don't see that as abnormal because that's all I
Speaker 1: saw growing up. So I'm speaking about your understanding, not
Speaker 1: your behavior. You're talking to me about your behavior. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about if I come from a place where I've
Speaker 1: seen no bugs all my life and then I come
Speaker 1: in your house and see a bug, I'm going to
Speaker 1: react in a certain way because I have no understanding
Speaker 1: of it. It's gonna be like, oh, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is that? I've never grew up, I've never seen that.
Speaker 1: Oh how nasty? All y'all have those what the fuck
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: It could be something that calls it. It could be
Speaker 1: your neighbors. It could be your neighbors are nasty to
Speaker 1: cause their buck. I have no understanding on bugs at all.
Speaker 1: So all I know is I've never saw it, so
Speaker 1: I was. I'm more so speaking about your behavior. I
Speaker 1: mean your understanding, not your behavior. Cause again I want
Speaker 1: to say that you look at our culture and you enjoyed,
Speaker 1: you participate in it. Like I'm telling you, I've watched
Speaker 1: your content. Bro, you you bust raps like you're not
Speaker 1: just some guy who you know is just flavorless and
Speaker 1: just jumped into this, right, But your understanding is what
Speaker 1: we're just gonna live at a second. But to that,
Speaker 1: what do you say? Cause again I'm speaking of understanding,
Speaker 1: not behavior.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know the thing that I think
Speaker 2: I think it's really clear to like try and communicate
Speaker 2: is you know the environment that I grew up in,
Speaker 2: maybe that was predominantly white. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: fit in not that I identify as black or something
Speaker 2: crazy like that. But all the artists that I was
Speaker 2: listening to, not all of them, because you've got plenty
Speaker 2: of you know, successful good white artists that I was
Speaker 2: listening to growing up, people like Eminem or you know,
Speaker 2: other kind of white rappers that were popular. But the
Speaker 2: people I idolized were predominantly black. You know, I was
Speaker 2: a young white guy in a predominantly white area, but
Speaker 2: the posters on my wall were successful black men that
Speaker 2: I looked up to and idolized. I mean, I'll be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't have that experience. I didn't grow up in
Speaker 2: an area that you know, I didn't grow up in
Speaker 2: a predominantly black area with some of the maybe, for example,
Speaker 2: the socioeconomic problems that you know, might go on in
Speaker 2: some of those areas traditionally, right, So I'll throw I'll
Speaker 2: be the first to throw my hands up and say
Speaker 2: I haven't been through that struggle. But for me, I
Speaker 2: think as a youngster, when I wasn't in that sort
Speaker 2: of area, I think the music was like a window
Speaker 2: for me to understand black people and the black struggle.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't pretend that like I know what
Speaker 2: it was like to grow up in the massy projects.
Speaker 2: But I think listening to you know nothing but jay
Speaker 2: Z songs growing up, it gave me that sympathy. And then,
Speaker 2: you know, I knew black people growing up. I would
Speaker 2: never be judgmental of someone based on the color of
Speaker 2: their skin, even maybe at school. You know, there were
Speaker 2: racist people at my school, and you know I didn't
Speaker 2: fuck with that. But once I became an adult and
Speaker 2: I turned eighteen, you know, I moved to London. As
Speaker 2: I was saying a minute ago, London was very multicultural.
Speaker 2: You know, I begun to make friends with a lot
Speaker 2: of black people. And what I actually ended up doing
Speaker 2: when I was in London as a job is, you know,
Speaker 2: I started making music videos and making music videos for rappers.
Speaker 2: You know, I guess the majority of the artists that
Speaker 2: I shot music videos with were black. But you know,
Speaker 2: I never met black people with a closed minded a perspective.
Speaker 2: You know, I was always just in love with hip
Speaker 2: hop music. If I met somebody that was black, white
Speaker 2: Indian that also loved hip hop music, we had a connection.
Speaker 2: We had something to talk about. I can't say that,
Speaker 2: you know, I grew up in the tough areas.
Speaker 1: And I want to be a good trap is that
Speaker 1: when I say us, and this is what I'm saying about,
Speaker 1: your understanding even of our culture is a little old
Speaker 1: because I'm a rich black man, right, so when I
Speaker 1: say black men, we don't need simpathy. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, There's no like all of us ain't come
Speaker 1: from or all of our circumstances are not in a
Speaker 1: place where people need to sympathize for us, or you know,
Speaker 1: be like we're some sort of victims. Like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like you know, I know you
Speaker 1: say it gives you a window into listening to jay Z,
Speaker 1: gave you a window into black culture, so you can
Speaker 1: kind of sympathize. First of all, a lot of the
Speaker 1: rap shit is fake, a lot of the talking from raps,
Speaker 1: and I know from outside of the culture, y'all, you
Speaker 1: may not get that. Oh that's what I want to say.
Speaker 1: Let me go back. We'll get to that in a second.
Speaker 1: When I say hip hop or when I say the
Speaker 1: tough area, when I say our culture, I'm not talking
Speaker 1: about just the criminal element, right. That's why I was
Speaker 1: talking to you about maybe barbecues or you know, football
Speaker 1: up the heel, or maybe cookouts or you know, just
Speaker 1: other things that we do in our culture that lends
Speaker 1: us that understanding. Even when we talk to each other,
Speaker 1: Like my neighborhood. I don't play like this, but in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, for some strange reason, they talk to each
Speaker 1: other and they'll say, bitch, what you doing, bitch, bitch,
Speaker 1: how you bitch? What you got? Like if a police
Speaker 1: officer or someone is listening to that, that sounds violent
Speaker 1: when that's not even that. You have to be of
Speaker 1: the culture to understand how they can use a word
Speaker 1: like that to each other and it's not causing that
Speaker 1: level of violence. You can't get that through hip hop.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying that. And I mean when
Speaker 1: I say culture, it's not just music. It's fashion, it's jargon,
Speaker 1: it's lifestyle, it's it's even and it is it is
Speaker 1: some hardship, it is some what we've been through. Right,
Speaker 1: I talk like this, I walk like this because of
Speaker 1: what I've been through, you know. And so it's more
Speaker 1: than just hip hop that makes us what we are.
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to help you get a real
Speaker 1: window into the culture because hip hop is just a
Speaker 1: little bitty facet of our culture. And when you're dealing
Speaker 1: with our rappers, you're dealing with more than the hip
Speaker 1: hop artists. You're dealing with a young black man from
Speaker 1: our culture. You see what I'm saying. And I know
Speaker 1: sometimes from the outside it's just oh, another rapper, blew
Speaker 1: up another rapper. It's like, no, he's speaking culture language.
Speaker 1: He's saying some culture shit. Whether it's right or wrong.
Speaker 1: And how you how you interpret it is what we
Speaker 1: want to talk about a little later. But you know,
Speaker 1: to that, what do you say?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's interesting because I think
Speaker 2: if we go back to like what I said at
Speaker 2: the start, you know, it's not just about hip hop
Speaker 2: like I say. You know, I grew up just into
Speaker 2: things that I guess would be seen as black culture.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not just hip hop like I say.
Speaker 2: I grew up watching comedy like Deaf comedy jam, people.
Speaker 1: That like DL D.
Speaker 3: L Hugley, Dave Chappelle.
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, it's it's almost like I
Speaker 2: got I actually go you know, everything you just said
Speaker 2: I agreed with to be honest, Like, I think for me,
Speaker 2: it's it's not necessarily I don't feel like I've really
Speaker 2: got something to prove as far as, like, you know,
Speaker 2: my affinity with black people. You know, at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, I think I'm just this weird white
Speaker 2: dude that grew up in a very white area. But
Speaker 2: I listened to nothing but hip hop, you know, listen
Speaker 2: to nothing but black comedians, black people I find successful.
Speaker 2: Even beyond that, you know, I remember growing up and
Speaker 2: I seeing the Malcolm X film and just being so
Speaker 2: inspired by this amazing, you know, powerful black man that
Speaker 2: kind of overcome his adversity. And as I said before,
Speaker 2: like really I just grew up having a lot of
Speaker 2: black people as my heroes and people I really admired. Now,
Speaker 2: does that mean that I had the black experience? You know, No,
Speaker 2: and I don't claim to have had that. And like
Speaker 2: I said, I kind of agree with everything you just
Speaker 2: said to be honest, but I really what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say is just it's like I really mean no
Speaker 2: harm like, and I don't claim to be like an
Speaker 2: expert of black culture or black people, like, you know,
Speaker 2: my topic area on my channel is hip hop, hip
Speaker 2: hop music, rappers, that stuff I'm interested in, and realistically, like,
Speaker 2: when it comes to that, stuff. You know, I do
Speaker 2: have a good knowledge, you know, it's all it's it's
Speaker 2: we're talking twenty five years plus of just me listening
Speaker 2: to nothing but hip hop and like learning about hip hop,
Speaker 2: learning about the lyrics. I don't claim to be like
Speaker 2: some sort of a black culture expert. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, I kind of, you know, I grew up
Speaker 2: on that stuff, even though I wasn't from that area.
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of a messed up with random dude.
Speaker 2: I really I'm not trying to claim to be anything
Speaker 2: I'm not. And you know, I really don't mean to
Speaker 2: offend anybody with the things I say or the things
Speaker 2: I put across.
Speaker 3: And I'm quite open minded.
Speaker 1: Man and necessarily right with the King Vaughn thingg And
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Right before the King Vaughn thinging.
Speaker 1: I'm literally in building saying, look, I need to hire
Speaker 1: this guy, like, give me it. I need to hire
Speaker 1: this guy. Got some things I want to do with
Speaker 1: this guy, like how he does it. I want to
Speaker 1: pitch him some things and let him kind of get
Speaker 1: it together and then we bring it back to the
Speaker 1: network like I was. And then the King Vaughn thing happened,
Speaker 1: but before King Vaughn. Let's go back. I still want
Speaker 1: to know how you got onto jay Z. If nobody
Speaker 1: around you's listening to how we crept into your roller dicks.
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, so to be fair. So I
Speaker 2: had two older brothers, right, and bear in mind, so
Speaker 2: I moved her from London, South London to like Croydon
Speaker 2: from when I was about five or six years old, right.
Speaker 2: So my older brothers they were like, I don't know
Speaker 2: the exactly, like six and ten.
Speaker 3: Years older than me.
Speaker 2: So they grew up in London, right, So they were
Speaker 2: more urbanized as far as like living in the city,
Speaker 2: living in a much more multicultural area. So they were
Speaker 2: into like a lot more diverse range of things, not
Speaker 2: just hip hop, but they liked hip hop. They had
Speaker 2: a few hip hop records.
Speaker 3: They were into.
Speaker 2: Skateboarding, surfing, just more shit that was more city type stuff.
Speaker 2: And for me, I think it's just hip Hop's the
Speaker 2: thing I latched onto. You know, I had an older
Speaker 2: brother that he would make hip hop beats. You know,
Speaker 2: we moved from London to this kind of small town.
Speaker 2: There was nothing going on, and you know, my brother
Speaker 2: would mess around on logic making beats, and I thought
Speaker 2: that was really cool. You know, I would steal his
Speaker 2: records and like I say, listen to my jay Z,
Speaker 2: listen to my you know these up here I do
Speaker 2: if you know these this is the like Ruckus Records
Speaker 2: kind of collection. And these are some of the first
Speaker 2: records that I ever had of Like these are records
Speaker 2: that I stole from my older brothers and were spinning
Speaker 2: like peramunch eminem like early stuff. And i'd have been
Speaker 2: so I think that series like ninety nine, two thousand,
Speaker 2: so you know, we're talking like i'd be like seven
Speaker 2: or eight discovering this stuff for the first time. So
Speaker 2: I guess I would give it to my older brothers.
Speaker 2: You know, I had an older brother that used to
Speaker 2: make rap beats. My other brother, you know, there was
Speaker 2: a period of time when he was trying to kind
Speaker 2: of make it as a rapper and releasing songs and
Speaker 2: pressing records, and I was just super inspired by them
Speaker 2: and sort of the rappers that I was listening to really,
Speaker 2: so in a way, I guess it's sort of like
Speaker 2: my older brothers having some hip hop records around, but
Speaker 2: like they were kind of they were into that shit.
Speaker 2: But I really just got obsessive and just took it
Speaker 2: to a whole other level. I didn't want to play football,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to surf for skateboard. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to listen to hip hop all day. And like you know,
Speaker 2: I was when I was a little kid, even like
Speaker 2: I was a young kid, like nine years old, trying
Speaker 2: to rap. But I had my little raps in school
Speaker 2: and people were like, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 3: Like what is this?
Speaker 2: But I just loved it. I just thought that was
Speaker 2: so cool. That's what I wanted to do, That's what
Speaker 2: I wanted to be. And I guess yeah, partly like
Speaker 2: my older brothers, partly the Internet, because I once I
Speaker 2: got these records and I kind of got into hip hop,
Speaker 2: and then the Internet was around. I would just you know,
Speaker 2: looking up all these artists, downloading their whole catalog. Let
Speaker 2: me listen to the you know, discover eminem and jay Z.
Speaker 2: Let me listen to every song they've ever made, every
Speaker 2: remix they've ever done. That's I was just sat there
Speaker 2: doing that all day. And that's how I kind of
Speaker 2: built up this hip hop knowledge. Kind of by accident,
Speaker 2: but that's where that knowledge came from. And then many
Speaker 2: years later, you know, I tried to get into the industry.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a video director for rappers. So
Speaker 2: I was kind of working with just like local rappers
Speaker 2: and rappers that I met in London to like shoot
Speaker 2: their videos and try and help promote their careers and stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know, I just wanted to be close to
Speaker 2: hip hop. I honestly, at the time, I never really
Speaker 2: would have even imagined I'd have ended up doing what
Speaker 2: I do now, But you know, things just kind of
Speaker 2: unfolded in a weird way. But yeah, it's just it
Speaker 2: just all came from the music and just being a
Speaker 2: kid just loving hip hop really.
Speaker 1: And you know what, you got onto the music early.
Speaker 1: And I can hear that, right, I want to know
Speaker 1: when did you get into the content part of it?
Speaker 1: Like not necessarily the music, but hey, I think I
Speaker 1: knowing no about this stuff. I'm gonna say something, right,
Speaker 1: when when did you get there?
Speaker 2: That's an interesting story, right, So this is a funny one.
Speaker 2: It might not be what you expect. But so I
Speaker 2: moved to London when I was like eighteen, you know,
Speaker 2: I was studying making music videos for rappers. It was
Speaker 2: kind of like just I was trying a lot of
Speaker 2: different stuff, and I actually started doing stand up comedy.
Speaker 2: So you know, I was going around in London, like
Speaker 2: going to these nightclubs because as well as rappers like
Speaker 2: people like Dave Chappelle, I looked up to comedians too,
Speaker 2: like a lot of comedians that I just thought were dope.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to give that a try. So I
Speaker 2: got into the open mic circuit in London and started
Speaker 2: doing a bit stand up comedy and it was you know,
Speaker 2: I'm saying I was doing it a bit, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't really going anywhere. And then I kind of started
Speaker 2: getting into to making YouTube videos, so I was making
Speaker 2: more like comedy sketches, like with my friends. You know,
Speaker 2: I kind of like, so I got homie that I
Speaker 2: knew from Brixton, which you know, one known spot in
Speaker 2: South London. But you know, me and my homie, soitanye
Speaker 2: we knew each other from doing stand up comedy, and
Speaker 2: we started doing these sketches and you know, some of
Speaker 2: the content we made sort of almost had this element
Speaker 2: of like, you know, he was a young black guy
Speaker 2: from Brixton. You know, he's half Nigerian, half Jamaican, and
Speaker 2: I'm sort of this nerdy white guy from the South
Speaker 2: of England, but I am obsessed with hip hop. So
Speaker 2: we did a few like comedy sketches of like kind
Speaker 2: of almost that that thing, almost like a black guy
Speaker 2: and a white guy living life in a different way.
Speaker 2: Like me and him did this comedy sketch where he
Speaker 2: took me to like the Nigerian food spot and he's
Speaker 2: eating with his hands and like I don't know how
Speaker 2: to eat the food and shit right, And so like
Speaker 2: me and my homies just doing stuff like this. No
Speaker 2: one was we were getting no views, like it wasn't
Speaker 2: going anywhere, but we were just trying to do this
Speaker 2: whole comedy thing. Like you know, my Palsertanie, he's a
Speaker 2: great guy. Shout out to him, you know, he was.
Speaker 2: He was another person super inspired by people like Dave Chappelle,
Speaker 2: you know, other great black comedians, and he was kind
Speaker 2: of doing his stand up thing and me and him,
Speaker 2: we were just trying to make it basically like running
Speaker 2: around London trying to make it in the content game.
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, you know, YouTube just wasn't
Speaker 2: going anywhere for me, but I just kept trying. Like
Speaker 2: every year, I would just be like, let me do
Speaker 2: another sketch, let me do a reaction video. And over
Speaker 2: time I started doing a few videos that were hip
Speaker 2: hop related, but it was kind of more UK stuff
Speaker 2: funnily enough, like you know, I don't know if you know,
Speaker 2: Skepta sort of the big you know, the big grime
Speaker 2: rapper in the UK's one of the biggest guys in
Speaker 2: the UK. But like, you know, I did a few
Speaker 2: reactions to like he would drop a new music video.
Speaker 2: I'd sort of react to Skepta's music video. But again
Speaker 2: I wasn't really getting views, like it wasn't going anywhere,
Speaker 2: but I just kept doing it because it was fun.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a big rapper in the UK called
Speaker 2: the Russ, not the American Russ.
Speaker 3: We've got our own Russ. He's fire. Shout out to him.
Speaker 2: But you know I did I did a video where
Speaker 2: I kind of broke down the history of like one
Speaker 2: of his music videos and like he had this Lamborghini
Speaker 2: in his video and I sort of told the story
Speaker 2: of how he got this Lamborghini. And it didn't really
Speaker 2: go anywhere, but that was like the first video I
Speaker 2: did that kind of had like some structure and sort
Speaker 2: of told the rap story, and I was I didn't
Speaker 2: really I didn't really rock with it. I didn't think
Speaker 2: it was that good a video. But I had another
Speaker 2: home that was doing videos, YouTube videos, sort of more
Speaker 2: like history type stuff. And you know, people that know
Speaker 2: me in real knife know that I'm obsessed with hip hop.
Speaker 2: Like I'm the guy at a party trying to tell
Speaker 2: someone a hip hop story, or like, if there's a song,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be like, oh, you know, like did
Speaker 2: you know this about this song? Like did you know
Speaker 2: jay Z like sold a million records of this album?
Speaker 2: Or this this happened or that happened, or like Gucci,
Speaker 2: like did you know Gucci main beat a murder case.
Speaker 2: I was that guy, and my homie just said to me, like,
Speaker 2: you know, why don't you tell some of those stories
Speaker 2: that you're always telling people and do it in the
Speaker 2: video like your Russ video. And it's kind of funny
Speaker 2: because at the time, I literally I said to the guy,
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think people are gonna rock
Speaker 2: with this, this nerdy white guy with glasses talking about these,
Speaker 2: you know, real ass hip hop stories. And I kind
Speaker 2: of put it off, and then eventually I just said
Speaker 2: you know what, let me make a story. Let me
Speaker 2: make a hip hop history video. See how that goes.
Speaker 2: And I did the video about how jay Z shot
Speaker 2: his brother when he was twelve and just kind of
Speaker 2: telling that story. And that was just the story that
Speaker 2: really stood out to me of you know, hearing those
Speaker 2: lyrics when I as a kid and thinking, wow, you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's crazy. That's a circumstance, like shooting your brother
Speaker 2: when you're just twelve, Like that was something completely out
Speaker 2: of my conception, and it was an interesting story. And
Speaker 2: I made that video and you know, that video ended
Speaker 2: up performing better than anything I had ever done, and
Speaker 2: I just kind of was like, damn, Like it was
Speaker 2: the opposite of what I expected, you know, I was.
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised people were even interested. And
Speaker 2: from there I just kept going. You know, I started
Speaker 2: doing videos on all kinds of different topics. You know,
Speaker 2: I did a video on Frank Ocean and how he
Speaker 2: kind of finessed the record label for twenty million dollars
Speaker 2: sort of when he did his album to get out
Speaker 2: of his deal with def Jam. You know, I did
Speaker 2: a story about how jay Z and R Kelly had beef.
Speaker 2: I did a breakdown of like R Kelly's whole case.
Speaker 2: You know, I did a breakdown of the situation with
Speaker 2: Young Thug and Lil Wayne having a beef, and it
Speaker 2: just slowly, like I was just doing the stuff that
Speaker 2: I was interested in, stuff that was in the news
Speaker 2: at the time, and.
Speaker 3: It just slowly, slowly started building up.
Speaker 2: And you know, the like I said, I think it
Speaker 2: was that Frank Ocean video about how he kind of
Speaker 2: ba That was the first thing I got that got
Speaker 2: like a million views, And to be honest, that was
Speaker 2: just you know that that was really mind blowing to me.
Speaker 2: Like I'd never even I would have never thought I
Speaker 2: could get through a video with a million views. You know,
Speaker 2: everything I'd done up until that point, we're talking like
Speaker 2: fifty hundred views maybe, So that was like, you know,
Speaker 2: that was very eye opening for me.
Speaker 3: But that's the story of how it kind of came
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 1: And so they reward of the million views said hey,
Speaker 1: let's stick here. I mean, because I'm in content, I
Speaker 1: know what it's like when everybody's posting me and all
Speaker 1: this shit's going crazy, my phone's going like it sends
Speaker 1: off shit in your ear. It's like a reward man
Speaker 1: this shit is, it's amore. I can only imagine what
Speaker 1: rappers feel like when they go on the stage and
Speaker 1: everybody's screaming and hollering, and it's just like, that's why
Speaker 1: they chase it. That's why you see them at some
Speaker 1: point starting to make bad decisions because I want that feeling,
Speaker 1: bag man, you know, And us as content creators, we
Speaker 1: gotta be careful that we're not somewhat chasing that same
Speaker 1: that say ghosts and trying to sensationalize some of these things.
Speaker 1: When did you when did you find your Would you
Speaker 1: say you're you are infatuated with King Vaughn.
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I would, and I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people are.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think King von is an artist that captivated a
Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, when Von was alive, you know,
Speaker 2: and he was really on the run of his success,
Speaker 2: you know, releasing his mixtapes back to back, quickly becoming
Speaker 2: one of the biggest artists in the game. I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people became obsessed with Vonn because he
Speaker 2: was a great artist and he had a fascinating story.
Speaker 2: And I probably would say that I'm I don't think
Speaker 2: I've obsessed with him in a sort of twisted, creepy,
Speaker 2: uh you know, King Von tattoo on my on my
Speaker 2: face kind of way. But he was definitely one of
Speaker 2: my favorite artists. He was somebody that his backstory was
Speaker 2: just insane to me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: He had so many lyrics saying I've I've got seven bodies,
Speaker 2: I'm about to catch another one. You know, I was
Speaker 2: listening to this guy and he was so good at rapping,
Speaker 2: and I was just listening to these lyrics, thinking how
Speaker 2: can this be? Like, this can't be true. This guy
Speaker 2: is so cold on the mic. He's saying he's killed
Speaker 2: all the ops. He's saying he's killed seven people, and
Speaker 2: he's got charting on Billboard?
Speaker 3: Like, how is this? How is this possible? And I
Speaker 3: probably did.
Speaker 2: I probably did get a little bit obsessed with with
Speaker 2: his music and his story, to be honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And would you say obsession is not healthy?
Speaker 3: Probably not no.
Speaker 2: And you know what I would say that in general,
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I don't want to I don't wanna.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I can throw my hands up and
Speaker 2: say I think I think I probably even before I
Speaker 2: made the video, I think I was obsessed with King
Speaker 2: Von's music because there was a time when all I
Speaker 2: wanted to listen to was Von. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: listen to nobody else because Vonn was the realist, the rawst,
Speaker 2: the coldest rapper, had the best beats. All I wanted
Speaker 2: to listen to was von And that was probably before
Speaker 2: i'd even done a video about him, you know, back
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, because I did. For bear in mind,
Speaker 2: I did three videos on Vaughn while he was alive,
Speaker 2: and you know, at the time, you know, that's a
Speaker 2: whole other story, but like that was a time when
Speaker 2: I think von was really the trending topic and hip hop.
Speaker 3: He was the guy.
Speaker 1: Now, so let's let's let's let's go back a little bit.
Speaker 1: So all right, King, So you're saying that you do
Speaker 1: you would say that you have some sort of obsession
Speaker 1: with King Von. Now when when you went to reporting
Speaker 1: on King Vaughn, do you think your obsession the obsession
Speaker 1: of the Because to me, what I'm hearing from you
Speaker 1: right from my side, because I've been involved in everything
Speaker 1: this culture has to offer, from from the dope game
Speaker 1: to the criminal shit, to the jail to the month.
Speaker 1: Whatever this culture has, I've I've endured it, right so
Speaker 1: when I'm speaking to you, I don't hear hip hop.
Speaker 1: I hear you obsessed with our criminal with the criminal
Speaker 1: aspect of the culture. It's almost like that's what draws
Speaker 1: you in. Have you ever been in a fight, have
Speaker 1: you had fights and stab beings? Have you shot somebody
Speaker 1: or been shot at? Or do you know any of
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, let me just I'll answer all those questions.
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, I would disagree that I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with the criminality side of it. You know, I
Speaker 2: think the thing that got me interested in VONN to
Speaker 2: begin with was the music. You know, it's always the music.
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't. I don't go looking
Speaker 2: for just like random shootings and then like hope that
Speaker 2: somebody is a rapper.
Speaker 1: Hold up trap. You said that the lyric that stuck
Speaker 1: out to you from jay Z was that he shot
Speaker 1: his brother. That's the That's literally one of the first
Speaker 1: things you said that stuck out to you while he
Speaker 1: shot his brother. That that's I'm telling you. I'm a listener,
Speaker 1: so I'm not someone that is just gonna say these
Speaker 1: things as I got your moment, I'm not into that, right.
Speaker 1: We having conversation. I'm literally listening to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: So you said, hey, Yo, the jay Z thing, right,
Speaker 1: jay Z man, he was such a lyrical guy. But
Speaker 1: what really got me he had to shoot his brother
Speaker 1: and I got to thank you.
Speaker 2: But what I would say is that I am obsessed
Speaker 2: with jay Z. But I was already a fan of
Speaker 2: jay Z for years before I made that video and
Speaker 2: before I you know, covered that story. But like I've
Speaker 2: covered a lot of jay Z stories, you know, I
Speaker 2: bear in mind, I've got a video about how jay
Speaker 2: Z cut his deals in his you know, his alcohol
Speaker 2: businesses to become a billionaire. Like I'm also obsessed with
Speaker 2: jay Z. I'm probably as obsessed with jay Z as
Speaker 2: I am with this. I think jay Z.
Speaker 1: How different rapping wise, it's King Ron from jay Z
Speaker 1: because if you like King, if you like jay Z style,
Speaker 1: him and King Vaughan are day and night. So the
Speaker 1: only thing they have in coming is rapping about the
Speaker 1: criminal elements in a way that's.
Speaker 3: Believable that that's not. I don't know if that's true,
Speaker 3: because I think I'm down.
Speaker 2: Though I'm down, I think because I think as well,
Speaker 2: it's sort of like I think you're picking a specific
Speaker 2: point to focus on, and I understand because that's the
Speaker 2: that's the topic and the theme we're on. But I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I think when you look at if we
Speaker 2: were going to do a comparison of jay Z and
Speaker 2: King Von as artists, I mean, that'd be really bear
Speaker 2: in mind, Like you can tell, I'm obsessed, Like I
Speaker 2: love this ship, Like that's so interesting, like because I
Speaker 2: think when it comes to jay Z, look as far
Speaker 2: as as far as I know, Okay, jay Z has
Speaker 2: never killed anybody, right, The story is he shot his
Speaker 2: brother at age twelve. His brother was apparently, you know,
Speaker 2: on a lot of drugs, causing problems for the family,
Speaker 2: stealing he was the story of jay Z shooting his
Speaker 2: brother when he was twelve was a really interesting story
Speaker 2: of this young dude who essentially had to boss up
Speaker 2: at twelve and become the defender of his family, which
Speaker 2: is a which is a crazy story which I guess
Speaker 2: in a way does bear similarities to King Von because
Speaker 2: I think the situation with King Von is, you know,
Speaker 2: especially at the early stages when we can get into
Speaker 2: this as a separate debate, but like you know, if
Speaker 2: you believe that King Von did kill people, as he
Speaker 2: said in his lyrics and his tweets. You know, I
Speaker 2: think when that begun, that was a kill to survive situation.
Speaker 2: I think Vaughn was defending himself, he was defending his life,
Speaker 2: he was defending his family's life. And I suppose that's
Speaker 2: that's what jay Z was doing in that situation where.
Speaker 1: He's a circumstance. Now, our culture, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to tell you. This ain't music. This is an
Speaker 1: element of our culture that involves at a lot of
Speaker 1: times a criminals, it right, and we just so happened
Speaker 1: to be some of us so happened to be so dope.
Speaker 1: We can rap about it, you know. But that particular
Speaker 1: part of it seems to what draws you in, because
Speaker 1: the way jay Z raps is nothing like the way
Speaker 1: King Vaughn raps. Yet you are obsessed with both of them.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, let me tell you.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why, because I bear in mind
Speaker 2: this is subject this is really interesting.
Speaker 3: I love I love this.
Speaker 2: So I think what's really interesting, and I kind of
Speaker 2: touched on this in my video, is that you're right,
Speaker 2: you've got these two guys, jay Z and King vonon
Speaker 2: that Essentially, they both grew up in really difficult environments.
Speaker 2: You've got the Massy projects in New York, You've got
Speaker 2: O Block in Chicago, Parkway gardens. Right, they were both
Speaker 2: in these situations where they essentially had to fight for
Speaker 2: their survival, and at some point in both their lives
Speaker 2: they realized and they decided, you know what, instead of
Speaker 2: this life of crime, at least in jay Z's case,
Speaker 2: you know, his thing was he was a drug dealer.
Speaker 2: A lot of his early raps reasonable doubt dead presidents.
Speaker 2: It's kind of drug dealer, mafioso rap. You know, drill
Speaker 2: music hadn't even been invented yet.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: But the reason I look at to jay Z so
Speaker 2: much and I would, you know, I'd say I'm obsessed
Speaker 2: with him because he made a change and he said,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get out of the streets. I'm going
Speaker 2: to become a rapper, I'm going to get into the industry,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to kind of become this businessman. And
Speaker 2: he got the hell away from all of that kind
Speaker 2: of the drug dealing in the streets. He made himself
Speaker 2: a success through his music and became a millionaire. And
Speaker 2: I think what's really interesting is like when you can
Speaker 2: trust that with King Von and I think we'll get
Speaker 2: into this, but this is why I find King Von
Speaker 2: as you know it. Just to be completely honest, I
Speaker 2: don't think King Voon is necessarily someone to look up to,
Speaker 2: because I think that you've got someone like jay Z
Speaker 2: where he beat the odds and he broke the cycle
Speaker 2: and he got out of that situation, became a millionaire
Speaker 2: focused on his business, built billion dollar businesses, became very corporate,
Speaker 2: Whereas I think if you can trust that with Vaughn,
Speaker 2: Vaughn got out of the streets, became a millionaire. But
Speaker 2: it would seem based on the research that I did,
Speaker 2: that Vaughn simply was more interested in the beef. He
Speaker 2: wanted to keep funding the street war.
Speaker 3: He wanted to arrange it. That's the way with.
Speaker 1: You, because from outside of our culture, you cannot speak
Speaker 1: to what he was interested in. You see, sometimes I
Speaker 1: want you to know this brother from from from loan right,
Speaker 1: and we're debating, so I want you to say whatever
Speaker 1: you want to say so we can have a conversation
Speaker 1: in an open and an open way. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: King Vaughn want't as rich as probably you think he
Speaker 1: was to be able to get out of that situation.
Speaker 1: The rappers. What I don't think you've picked up along
Speaker 1: all your research of hip hop in our culture is
Speaker 1: that most rap shit in the culture they con men.
Speaker 1: They playing con man, they confidence man, right, whatever, they
Speaker 1: they just gotta sell it. They gotta be able to
Speaker 1: sell it to the consumer. I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: that somebody like King Vaughn jay Z, I don't think
Speaker 1: that the same. I believe that, again, the only thing
Speaker 1: that they have in common is the criminal element that
Speaker 1: they both had to face, because our culture provides that
Speaker 1: to us. Even rapping. Just think about the rap style
Speaker 1: totally different. Think about the beat selection totally different. Think
Speaker 1: about where they come totally different, the accent totally different.
Speaker 1: Jay Z, like you said, was it he as soon
Speaker 1: as he had an opportunity because he was old when
Speaker 1: he got his money. He was twenty eight when he
Speaker 1: got his deal or something, so he was already an
Speaker 1: established man. King Vaughan is a young man that's still
Speaker 1: kind of hooked to this shit that they gonna start
Speaker 1: calling shyreck. This shit is a mess up here, homie.
Speaker 1: This shit is something you can't just check out of this.
Speaker 1: This ain't That's what I'm saying. This ain't. You don't
Speaker 1: just turn this game off. This ain't something King Vaughan
Speaker 1: just can walk away from, right. He don't got the money,
Speaker 1: Dirk Hat. In my opinion, he don't have the money,
Speaker 1: Dirk Hat. And I know because I know what he
Speaker 1: takes to get from that. The resources he would have
Speaker 1: needed to get from that place, I don't think he
Speaker 1: had yet. But let's not move too far into that.
Speaker 1: Let's go back to what is the the the parallel
Speaker 1: things between King Vaughan and jay Z that draws trap
Speaker 1: Lord Ross to being somewhat obsessed with both of those guys.
Speaker 1: Outside of if it's the criminal element, I need you
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that and understand that, oh shit, oh shit,
Speaker 1: it ain't the hip hop, it ain't really the music. Shit,
Speaker 1: I'm starting to glorify culture that I don't participate in.
Speaker 1: Because if you are breaking the deals down, if you
Speaker 1: are breaking you know, Joe Budden broke up, you are
Speaker 1: are freak ocean twenty million dollar finago or jay Zon
Speaker 1: even shot his brother like that's even something this But
Speaker 1: when do you get to this place? You see what
Speaker 1: I'm saying but let's focus on Jay Z and King Von.
Speaker 1: I'm so obsessed with that conversation. Let's stay there for
Speaker 1: just a second.
Speaker 2: Look, I'll be honest, I just I do kind of
Speaker 2: disagree with what you just said because I think, firstly,
Speaker 2: King Von, I personally think Kingvon did have the money.
Speaker 3: He bought his mother a house outside of the city.
Speaker 2: And bear in mind, I feel like everything you just
Speaker 2: said that King Von, he couldn't have possibly got away.
Speaker 3: How comes Chief Keith.
Speaker 1: Got real hits man and he was rich a long time.
Speaker 1: You ain't give give him the time. These hits nowadays
Speaker 1: need time to stream wheel. They need time, bro, You
Speaker 1: know they need time. This ship, this ship for it
Speaker 1: to get a lot of streams. It's shit. It needs
Speaker 1: time for these guys to get this money and see
Speaker 1: this money. King Von wasn't in that situation, bro, Chief Keith.
Speaker 1: Even if you look at Chief Keith and King Von,
Speaker 1: financially we're talking. Chief Keith got on when Kanye West
Speaker 1: was rolling through really active in music. That's a long time.
Speaker 3: But naw, that's this.
Speaker 2: And Vaughan stayed independent and he tweeted that he was
Speaker 2: turning down multiple at tweeting he could have taken a
Speaker 2: multi million dollar deals anytime. And Chief Keith signed a
Speaker 2: bad label deal.
Speaker 1: So Chief Keith was kind of down on that. King
Speaker 1: Von was That's not true. Chief Keif had hits. He's
Speaker 1: been a part of producing. He's been a part of
Speaker 1: too much, Bro, He's been a part of too much.
Speaker 1: King Vaughn didn't even get a chance to get all
Speaker 1: his features going. He didn't get a chance to really
Speaker 1: get his feet under him. Bro. I ain't talking about
Speaker 1: the little features like with rapp Niggas I just run
Speaker 1: into on tour. I'm talking about he didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to really plan, to really really really get a
Speaker 1: good run at the music. Him and Chief Keith financially.
Speaker 1: That's not a good conversation, Dirk and Chief Keith. Dirk
Speaker 1: smothering Keith. But as far as King vaugh he didn't
Speaker 1: have enough money to run away and just check out
Speaker 1: the game. He didn't have that kind of money. And
Speaker 1: you're talking to me about tweets and it's almost disrespectful.
Speaker 1: But I'm a content creator, so I know I gotta
Speaker 1: deal with this, right. It's cool. I accept it, But Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you from experience, I had to come out
Speaker 1: the trenches, my nigga, I come out of this. These
Speaker 1: niggas don't have the money you think they have. And
Speaker 1: I'm the nigga they used to come borrow from. They
Speaker 1: don't have what you think they have. Brother, they con men.
Speaker 1: That's what you ain't for you to have studied. I
Speaker 1: coach all this time and not No rappers are lying
Speaker 1: on the mic or not know that. Rappers are tweeting bullshit.
Speaker 1: A lot of them don't know they business. A lot
Speaker 1: of them in bad deals. These rap dudes are not
Speaker 1: what they portray to be. But I understand it. When
Speaker 1: you that far away, you have no clue.
Speaker 2: See you're saying Vaughn and jay Z, it's a.
Speaker 1: Cap No jay Z, no what you mean. It's not
Speaker 1: all kept. I'm saying the amount of money that Vaughn
Speaker 1: needed to be in a situation to check out the game,
Speaker 1: a game that has been a game that's been developed
Speaker 1: in a city in America, one of the most one
Speaker 1: of the power the powerful country in the world called
Speaker 1: Shyreck because it resembles war, young men being killed. For
Speaker 1: him to check out of that game. For him to
Speaker 1: check out of that game, he need a certain amount
Speaker 1: of money. My brother how much. I don't know. It
Speaker 1: depends on his fan It depends on how many kids
Speaker 1: he got, you know what I'm saying. Then it depends
Speaker 1: on his information, what information he got, because maybe he
Speaker 1: had enough money for a nigga with some information, but
Speaker 1: a young nigga with no information might need a twenty
Speaker 1: million dollar play to feel like I can really leave
Speaker 1: from around here because he don't know no better. And
Speaker 1: dude did. Trust what I'm telling you, Dude didn't get
Speaker 1: enough leg room. Man, he didn't get to live with
Speaker 1: those hits long enough to really get to see the
Speaker 1: money that you probably thinking he had, and turning down
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar deal says none to loan, because it's
Speaker 1: about the terms, not the money. Any time you get
Speaker 1: into this business, you learned that it's never about the money.
Speaker 1: It's always about the terms. So they may gave him
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar deal to own all this shit and
Speaker 1: he's like, no, that don't make sense right, So again,
Speaker 1: that's that's my opinion.
Speaker 2: He I mean, listen, he allegedly had a hundred thousand
Speaker 2: dollars to spend on getting his enemies assassinated.
Speaker 1: You think that's the money listen, if he's got.
Speaker 2: The money to arrange hits after he's already a millionaire,
Speaker 2: I feel like he has the money.
Speaker 1: Let me play, Let me play.
Speaker 2: Let me playing talking about We're just talking about Von
Speaker 2: though I'm not trying to make a blanket staate no community.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me, let me play. Let me
Speaker 1: play into what you're saying as if I'm King Von.
Speaker 1: And of course this is alleged. I don't believe this
Speaker 1: stuff to be true. Anytime I'm speaking to a white man.
Speaker 1: Anytime I'm speaking to a white man, ain't nobody killed nobody.
Speaker 1: Nobody ever killed nobody. When I'm speaking to a white man,
Speaker 1: you hit me, so we get answer that. But I
Speaker 1: want you to know about the King Vaughn thing. I'm
Speaker 1: let me play into what you're saying, that he spent
Speaker 1: the honey k. That ain't no money, family, nigga a
Speaker 1: honey k for me if if I got to knock
Speaker 1: a few people off to feel safe around here, because see,
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that I think, again, you're not
Speaker 1: paying attention to right once they mark me. It's almost
Speaker 1: like in one of these video games, they got a
Speaker 1: boundary on me. If I could take care of somebody
Speaker 1: that got the boundary on me. They might send a
Speaker 1: message to calm everything down. So some of what I
Speaker 1: do may be out of safety. But I don't even
Speaker 1: believe half of the shit that's been reported to the internet.
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I don't believe. So you can't
Speaker 1: we can move on because you can't answer that. I can,
Speaker 1: But you can't answer to what what similarities to Jay
Speaker 1: Z and King Vaughan Ham.
Speaker 2: I answered that already they both came out of difficult environments.
Speaker 1: So it is the criminal it ain't the rapid No, no, no.
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about criminality here. I said they
Speaker 2: came out difficult environments.
Speaker 1: Difficulty causes you to be in criminal activity.
Speaker 3: I didn't say that.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that because I grew up in difficulty. That's
Speaker 1: why I want you to you're talking to a member.
Speaker 1: You're not talking to a content guy. You talk I'm
Speaker 1: a member. So I'm telling you if I grew up
Speaker 1: in difficulty, I got to deal with criminal activity to
Speaker 1: get out of difficulty. That's part of what I have
Speaker 1: to do. So those two and did that. What about
Speaker 1: the music do they have in common that draws you
Speaker 1: to like those two individuals, seeing that you cited jay
Speaker 1: Z shot his brother at twelve, that was one of
Speaker 1: your first stories. And King Vaughan Beef and his shit
Speaker 1: is you've been attached to that for a while. Help
Speaker 1: me understand the similarities.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing I think I did kind of
Speaker 2: touch on this, but I'll kind of go go out
Speaker 2: of again from another angle, which is, you know, the
Speaker 2: thing that really attracted me to to I guess to
Speaker 2: jay Z and a lot of other artists is that we.
Speaker 1: Can we do them together? Say the can? We can we?
Speaker 1: Because you'll you'll get me over there on this jay Zing.
Speaker 3: They are different, it's different and from a different.
Speaker 1: Era, right, but similarities what draws you to? Right, If
Speaker 1: you like jay Z, see, the more you like it
Speaker 1: is the less you like it. That right, If I'm
Speaker 1: in love with jay Z music, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: love how jay Z just his style, his flow, his
Speaker 1: like And then the next person that I love is
Speaker 1: King Vaughn is like, all right, what's the similarities there? Music?
Speaker 2: I think I think that's kind of like a foot
Speaker 2: of a sort of you're creating like a sort of
Speaker 2: false fallacy because I love King Von and his mu Well.
Speaker 2: I love King Von's music, I love jay Z's music.
Speaker 2: I love Little Yochty, I love Yeat. You know there's
Speaker 2: there's there's future son.
Speaker 1: I like story of Yachty, story, I see stories.
Speaker 3: I got yo Ey.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I haven't done Yeat.
Speaker 3: I might do Yeat soon. I might eat soon.
Speaker 1: So but but I'm saying, music wise, can we get
Speaker 1: any clear distinguishable what artist?
Speaker 3: I've given my answer, but you're not accepting.
Speaker 1: Okay, Let's move on. Like I said, maybe maybe maybe
Speaker 1: the people say, hey, I got the answer, because I
Speaker 1: don't hear it. I'm not hearing hip hop when you
Speaker 1: say when it comes from a difficult and you know
Speaker 1: to do it adverse.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me let me just try to
Speaker 2: add a little bit more to that, because I think
Speaker 2: I think maybe I need to just communicate a little
Speaker 2: bit more context, because I think they both come from
Speaker 2: these difficult environments. And if you let me just get
Speaker 2: if I get to the next stage their music Vonn's
Speaker 2: music and jay Z's music and hell Little Duck's music,
Speaker 2: to these artists that I'm really into. The music gives
Speaker 2: you a window into that environment. I didn't grow up
Speaker 2: in Oblock. I've never been to the Marsi projects. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe one day, who knows. But listening to this music,
Speaker 2: like listening to King Von's music and jay Z's music,
Speaker 2: they're both amazing rappers. Like say what you want about
Speaker 2: what Von did in the streets, but when he got
Speaker 2: on the mic and he started rapping, he was amazing.
Speaker 2: He told amazing stories, vivid, deep storytelling, which you could
Speaker 2: definitely say the same thing about jay Z. And they
Speaker 2: would build a picture. There's old jay Z songs and
Speaker 2: there's King Von songs. You put on the headphones, you
Speaker 2: shut your eyes, and you listen to that description of
Speaker 2: roaches on the walls.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: People I don't know, people fighting outside outside the front
Speaker 2: door in Marci or whatever. And he paints a picture
Speaker 2: and you look, I haven't been there. I can't say
Speaker 2: I know what it's like. But I would listen to
Speaker 2: jay Z's songs and King Von songs and it gives
Speaker 2: me a window, like an insight into this lifestyle that
Speaker 2: these guys are living. And it's those stories, those pieces
Speaker 2: of art that they've made, which is a talent, a
Speaker 2: skill like Von was a talented artist. He was able
Speaker 2: to paint a picture of O Block so that someone
Speaker 2: like me that never have been there would maybe get,
Speaker 2: you know, a small percentage of understanding of what it's like,
Speaker 2: like what he went through and his story, and both
Speaker 2: jay Z and King Von through I think painting these
Speaker 2: pictures of the experiences that they had been through. That
Speaker 2: talent was rewarded by the music industry and they both
Speaker 2: became very successful. Now we disagree on how successful Von became,
Speaker 2: and you know that's that's fine, But I think that's
Speaker 2: the thing I just want to communicate is it's the
Speaker 2: storytelling and the artistry that I think puts them together.
Speaker 2: Because let's be real, like, no disrespect to anybody, but
Speaker 2: the artistry of say a King Von and a Rondo
Speaker 2: number nine, it's on a different level. The way King
Speaker 2: Von told the story and painted a picture is above damn,
Speaker 2: near ninety five percent of Chicago rappers. Full sty was
Speaker 2: a legend because of how good it are.
Speaker 1: So I know, I know some people are gonna say, Lord,
Speaker 1: his hip hop card has to be revoked. At this point,
Speaker 1: he's comparing jay Z music to King Vaughn's music. This
Speaker 1: is what I mean can you tell me any similarities
Speaker 1: between drill music and drug dealer music? Like the this
Speaker 1: is not a comparison, bro in my opinion, And I'm
Speaker 1: saying from I'm a hip hop baby, so I gotta
Speaker 1: I gotta put my side out, like that's your side.
Speaker 1: You feel as though some some some storytelling that King
Speaker 1: Vaughan is doing, you know, aligns with what jay Z did.
Speaker 1: When I say jay Z did drug dealer rap, he
Speaker 1: did struggle drug dealer rap, and King Vaughn is doing
Speaker 1: drill music, I don't see anything.
Speaker 2: But that's a struggle drills. You know, the drill music
Speaker 2: is about struggle in my drill music. Drill music developed
Speaker 2: over like you know, ten fifteen years after the kind
Speaker 2: of mafiosa rap because you've got someone like jay Z, right,
Speaker 2: jay Z's music influenced a new generation of people. Like
Speaker 2: let's say, I don't know Rick Ross, who you know.
Speaker 2: I know you're saying a lot of rappers a phony, gonna.
Speaker 1: Say their phony. I say they exaggerate their con men,
Speaker 1: not phony. They just exaggerate.
Speaker 2: But Rick Ross is probably a perfect example of that.
Speaker 2: As they say he was a corrections officer, but then
Speaker 2: he's on the Mic talking about he's selling hundred kilos
Speaker 2: of coke. Right, so he's a good example of that,
Speaker 2: whereas I think jay Z's more authentic. But regardless, you
Speaker 2: got someone like jay Z and that that form of
Speaker 2: like mafiosa gangster rap is sort of evolving. And then
Speaker 2: you have people like Rick Ross emerging.
Speaker 1: But that involved to Rick Ross. That didn't involve in
Speaker 1: the King Vaughn. What King Vaughn was the evolvement of
Speaker 1: a Chief Keef. Yeah, right, So this is what I'm
Speaker 1: bear in mind. These are not King Keith. Hip Hop
Speaker 1: has it fruit off trees. Right, there's fruit off and
Speaker 1: you say, you study hip hop, so you should know that.
Speaker 1: Like when you look at the jay Z thing, you
Speaker 1: see a Ross, you see a Meek, you see this
Speaker 1: is the fruit off of that j tree. What King
Speaker 1: Vaughn landed had nothing to do with that with the
Speaker 1: drug dealer mafioso style rapping shit, right, you know.
Speaker 2: The thing that bridges them together. I would say the
Speaker 2: thing that bridges those two genres of music together is
Speaker 2: trap music. I'm talking like two thousand and six at Lansa,
Speaker 2: like Gucci Mayne, because the whole trap music here of
Speaker 2: like Gucci Mane, you know what I'm saying, all of
Speaker 2: his different trap music type things, even like Ti the
Speaker 2: sort of like trunk like rubber band Man, that was
Speaker 2: all about drug dealing. But I think over time, this
Speaker 2: this Atlanta wave of trap where you had like Gucci
Speaker 2: Mane catching a murder case and then he's jumping on
Speaker 2: songs talking about go dig your partner up. I think
Speaker 2: trap music over time became quite violent, but that was
Speaker 2: born out of sort of drug dealer rap. Then it
Speaker 2: was you had people like t I, Gucci Mane talking
Speaker 2: about we're trapping in Atlanta at the text, and then that.
Speaker 1: Was a right Gucci man was alone in that trap music.
Speaker 3: Was wrong man?
Speaker 1: Who else was he? Who else was like really disendoran
Speaker 1: and he kind of started the wave. He really didn't
Speaker 1: nobody else was really doing that. In the South, you
Speaker 1: had Tip doing drug Dealer Rep. You had Jeezy drug
Speaker 1: Dealer Rep. Ross, drug Dealer Rep. Everybody just was was
Speaker 1: kind of rap or they were dancing. Nobody else was
Speaker 1: doing the this ship did this ship go ahead?
Speaker 2: But well, that's what I'm trying to say is that
Speaker 2: like in my opinion, this is just me, This is
Speaker 2: just I'm just cooking off the top of my head, right,
Speaker 2: fair enough, But it's a good conversation. But I think
Speaker 2: I personally think if I was just gonna give my
Speaker 2: honest opinion, I think was it was trap music that
Speaker 2: came from the kind of gangster rap, mafiosa rap where
Speaker 2: you had people like Ti g Z. Then the g
Speaker 2: Z Gucci beef escalated into violence, and then I think
Speaker 2: trap music became slightly more violent. But then it was
Speaker 2: like Chief Keif came out, you're talking like twenty ten
Speaker 2: in Chicago, but he was already he was not the
Speaker 2: original first person to do drill. Like you had a
Speaker 2: guy in pac Man. Sorry, you had a guy in
Speaker 2: Chicago called pac Man that was creating what was called
Speaker 2: drill music, and that was like heavily Atlanta inspired to
Speaker 2: begin with. Because a lot of these early Chief Keith
Speaker 2: beats they're kind of like they're kind of like really
Speaker 2: sort of hard, sort of like reformulated versions of trap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you gotta tap into the South to
Speaker 1: be effective, right, we got out.
Speaker 3: Of each That's what I mean. That's what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're talking beats, I'm talking about the content. So the content, Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you dealt with the Gucci Man. He stood on
Speaker 1: a mountain along dissing. He was dising because that beef
Speaker 1: didn't allegedly turn into something. So he was dissing. Nobody
Speaker 1: else was dissing right now.
Speaker 2: But but when this is the thing though, It's like
Speaker 2: when Chief Keith first came out, the music wasn't necessarily
Speaker 2: all about dissing. And this, I think this goes back
Speaker 2: to what I was saying about why Vaughn I think
Speaker 2: is a good artist, because I think the same reason
Speaker 2: why Chief Keith was such a good artist when he
Speaker 2: came out in like twenty ten, and he's dropping songs
Speaker 2: like three hun A or like I don't like those
Speaker 2: those beats, you know, we're talking like young chop beats
Speaker 2: that are kind of they're quite Atlanta focused, but then
Speaker 2: they're sort of like they've got their own completely unique,
Speaker 2: original flavor and those songs. Originally, like Chief Keith at
Speaker 2: the start, he was repping his crew, but he was
Speaker 2: never dissing. The whole smoking Tuca thing. That didn't come
Speaker 2: until a couple of years later.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so they were what they were talking about drilling,
Speaker 1: like seeing the South again. It was drug dilla raut.
Speaker 1: It was you know, gotta bi Leon twenty folds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it was dead up there. It was looking
Speaker 1: for them niggas with the heater, with the niggers. It
Speaker 1: was it was like, I'm hunting. I'm not sad, I'm
Speaker 1: with the shit. That's that's you. You talking about beasts.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about content content.
Speaker 2: Right, But but that But that's the thing.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk about it holistically, but I think
Speaker 2: both things influence each other.
Speaker 3: But I think you're right.
Speaker 2: You know, when Chief Keith was first picking up steam,
Speaker 2: he wasn't drug dealing, he wasn't making money, he wasn't
Speaker 2: they were just they were just sitting around saying that
Speaker 2: they don't like not basically, that's the thing. But he
Speaker 2: was the originator. That's the thing I think it's important
Speaker 2: to remember. I think the Beats were influenced by Atlanta
Speaker 2: and it's sort of like two thousand and six Atlanta era,
Speaker 2: Trap era, that was the biggest thing. Chief Keith kind
Speaker 2: of came along. He took elements of that. He put
Speaker 2: his nose spin on it. It's all Chicago, it's all
Speaker 2: about violence because he's growing up in that environment. And
Speaker 2: then over time Chicago. Drill became the biggest thing going,
Speaker 2: and it got more and more violent. But Chief Key's
Speaker 2: earliest songs they're not all about dissing and drilling. A
Speaker 2: lot of it's just sort of about, you know, we're
Speaker 2: on the block, we're smoking, like giving people a what's
Speaker 2: the word like a window?
Speaker 1: Growing up, I was hearing like I don't like and
Speaker 1: all of that shit was a bunch of young niggas
Speaker 1: with gods. They had never seen no shit like this.
Speaker 1: This had never nigga. We what a bunch of niggas
Speaker 1: with a k's and it's k's and video talking about
Speaker 1: David were looking for them. Niggas bet not come over
Speaker 1: here with that bullshit. That's what that's that's the fruit
Speaker 1: that King Vaughan came up under right, I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that that's something totally different than what was happening in
Speaker 1: the South. We will show you the big cause, we'll
Speaker 1: try to show you the house that ain't ours. The
Speaker 1: boot gott it, it ain't ours, the bit lit, it
Speaker 1: ain't ours. Somebody nicklaces, that ain't our. We we the
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to make you bite into it.
Speaker 1: Up there, them young niggas look dirty with them choppers.
Speaker 2: But the thing is, you know, I think all of
Speaker 2: these different eras of hip hop over the years have
Speaker 2: influenced the next. And then even between that, you know,
Speaker 2: between the sort of like trap Atlanta wave and the
Speaker 2: Chicago drill waves. Then you've got people like you know,
Speaker 2: there's been a whole long history of a lot of
Speaker 2: music coming out of like Louisiana, New Orleans. You know,
Speaker 2: the cash Money, Lil Wayne stuff, which that was a
Speaker 2: really interesting era because that was more like the Bling
Speaker 2: era cash money. It was all about showing off diamonds, cars,
Speaker 2: the Bentley's. But then there was also a little bit
Speaker 2: of an undertone of violence of you know, this creating
Speaker 2: painting a picture of this environment, the Magnolia projects.
Speaker 1: You know, you all view it as violence from now
Speaker 1: it's culture from the right.
Speaker 2: Sure, no, I agree, but that that's the content of
Speaker 2: the music. And I'm only saying that. I'm only pinpointing
Speaker 2: that violence as to say that came before we had
Speaker 2: someone like Chief Keith. I don't think Chief Keith was
Speaker 2: the first person to ever think I'm gonna hop on
Speaker 2: a song.
Speaker 3: And Sam.
Speaker 1: As in the video, that was the first time this
Speaker 1: was ever seen that. Yeah, that changed Chicago. That whole
Speaker 1: wave right there changed Chicago. And Vann was under there.
Speaker 1: They come up under the world that that ship was
Speaker 1: creating in down South, there wasn't happening yet. Now it's happening.
Speaker 1: Now our young niggas got there. I'm telling you what
Speaker 1: I know. See you all and that's what I'm saying, bro,
Speaker 1: you and the I'm telling you, I'm a member of this.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what one hundred percent I know. In
Speaker 1: the South, we was not rocking like that. When nim
Speaker 1: young niggas done that, it turned that young niggas up.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, and I think something that I
Speaker 2: want to say that's really interesting that maybe people mess Look,
Speaker 2: you can tell I'm no gang banging dude, But at
Speaker 2: the same time, when I moved back to London, I
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of money. I lived in an
Speaker 2: area that was kind of rough, and essentially before my
Speaker 2: YouTube channel really took off and went anywhere, I actually
Speaker 2: became you know, you used the word earlier obsessed. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's the right word, Maybe that's the wrong word. But
Speaker 2: I was living in a in a in a hood.
Speaker 2: Let's say, right, I was living in a in a
Speaker 2: block that was affiliated with a very well known group
Speaker 2: of drill rappers in London called four ten. Right, I
Speaker 2: was living in their area and beginning to learn about
Speaker 2: all the music and the stuff that was going on
Speaker 2: in the area, Like these guys have a music video
Speaker 2: that they filmed like in front of my in the
Speaker 2: building that I lived in. Right, So I was sort
Speaker 2: of living in London and experiencing and bear in mind
Speaker 2: all of the London UK drill originally it was heavily
Speaker 2: influenced by Chicago drill. So bear in mind we don't
Speaker 2: have guns as much in the UK, but we've got
Speaker 2: guys with music videos where they're holding knives and machetes
Speaker 2: at the camera. It's the whole gang in Balaclava's putting
Speaker 2: all of that stuff into their music. And there were
Speaker 2: a lot of murders in the area that I was
Speaker 2: living in, and you know, I would go and sort
Speaker 2: of see the crime scene and then go and hear
Speaker 2: about the song that was talking about the murder that
Speaker 2: had happened in my area in London. But a lot
Speaker 2: of that stuff was influenced by Chicago. And what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, is that I actually agree with what
Speaker 2: you're saying. I'm not saying I was involved, but I
Speaker 2: when I moved back to London, I was living in
Speaker 2: an area where this kind of waste taking influence and
Speaker 2: that was something that to me that was like, it
Speaker 2: was very interesting, it was very It really made me
Speaker 2: reflect on the influence of Chicago drill because if you
Speaker 2: don't know too much about the UK drill scene, it's
Speaker 2: so heavily influenced by Chicago. And you've got a lot
Speaker 2: of these young guys in the UK in London running
Speaker 2: around with ives, trying to do the Chicago thing. They
Speaker 2: want to get known for sling narrow well at least.
Speaker 1: For over here. Again, see, I have respect for culture,
Speaker 1: so I can't say why they doing it. But over
Speaker 1: here I know that it's a fight to get out
Speaker 1: this ship. So if it if they think that, I
Speaker 1: get turned up. If I'm a real one, if that's
Speaker 1: what gets me turned up, is that I stick by
Speaker 1: what I say, then they gonna do that, you see,
Speaker 1: And and they they lost in that. Right, Let's talk
Speaker 1: about because we'll move on from the Jay z And
Speaker 1: and King Vaughn thing. Let's speak about when you got
Speaker 1: to a place to make the King Von documentary. What
Speaker 1: made you name King Von a serial killer?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: So I I had covered King Von when he was
Speaker 2: still alive. So I did three videos about Von and
Speaker 2: in one of those videos, you know, I mentioned the
Speaker 2: whole situation with k I where you know, he had
Speaker 2: had years of history beefing with this girl on Twitter,
Speaker 2: you know, saying that he wanted to kill her, saying
Speaker 2: that he was trying to catch her, saying that he'd
Speaker 2: beaten her up. You know, whether or not you want
Speaker 2: to believe the stuff that said on Twitter is real,
Speaker 2: you know. A and he made a documentary about King
Speaker 2: Vaughn and Ki, and you know he was in the
Speaker 2: documentary talking about their beef. And you know, I covered
Speaker 2: that story whilst King Von was still alive. And that
Speaker 2: was actually before the Chicago Clice had come out and
Speaker 2: said that, you know, they believed that he was the
Speaker 2: culprit in that case. So I had covered King Von
Speaker 2: and you know it's in my No Jumper interview with
Speaker 2: aout him twenty two. But essentially, you know, this was
Speaker 2: when Vaughn was alive and Vonn and his crew pressed me.
Speaker 2: You know, they got in touch and they were going
Speaker 2: to take my channel down. They did three copyright strikes
Speaker 2: on my channel. They said my videos had songs in
Speaker 2: them Von songs, which they didn't, and they were going
Speaker 2: to take the channel down. And you know, they got
Speaker 2: in touch with me and they basically said to me.
Speaker 1: Was this after the document Hero before, this is the
Speaker 1: earlier stories.
Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty. Yeah, one, Vaughn's alive. Yeah, because
Speaker 2: he was like tweeting around about this stuff. But they
Speaker 2: basically said to me, like, if you go in the
Speaker 2: channel dashboard and edit out any of the mentions of
Speaker 2: this girl, well we'll let you have your channel back, basically.
Speaker 2: And I was kind of shook. I was like, okay,
Speaker 2: I'll do it.
Speaker 3: I did it.
Speaker 2: They let me have my chower back. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk on Vaughan again. Ship got
Speaker 2: too real, to be honest. But the weird thing that
Speaker 2: I found is that, you know, as time went on,
Speaker 2: I'm not covering Von anymore, but his star continues to rise.
Speaker 2: He gets more and more famous. He's billboard charting, you know,
Speaker 2: he's performing huge venues. He's catching this case with little Dirk,
Speaker 2: and and so time keeps going on and more and
Speaker 2: more Von lyrics are coming out, and like, like we
Speaker 2: said earlier, I would say that I did become obsessed
Speaker 2: with Vaughn as an artist. I became obsessed with his music.
Speaker 2: Anytime Vaughn dropped.
Speaker 1: You know, you say that is you do know that
Speaker 1: it's not healthy. Though upset listen session is not a hill.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's normal to
Speaker 2: make a three and a half of our video anything.
Speaker 1: So I'm a weird you are a gainst You're keeping
Speaker 1: against her.
Speaker 2: It's not normal, bro, I'm not I'm not a normal dude.
Speaker 2: So that is what it is. But as time was
Speaker 2: going on, you know, I was seeing more and more
Speaker 2: Von songs come out. And let's be real, like whether
Speaker 2: or not you believe Von did anything or did the
Speaker 2: things he said he was dropping. He dropped like five
Speaker 2: or six songs where he said I have seven bodies.
Speaker 2: You know, there's the I think it's the audio Mac freestyle.
Speaker 2: He says, let's talk about bodies. I got several, and
Speaker 2: then in the ad libs he's saying I got seven.
Speaker 2: He's got that other song where he says, let's talk bodies,
Speaker 2: I've got a few three plus four as he say,
Speaker 2: four plus three, three plus two counting his bodies. He's
Speaker 2: got another lyric where he says he's talking about I
Speaker 2: don't want to say the words, but it's a word
Speaker 2: beginning with D that' she used to refer to lesbian women.
Speaker 2: But he's saying, you know, I shoot everybody in the
Speaker 2: N words and the D words in this bitch saying
Speaker 2: he shoots women. And over time, because I'd already done
Speaker 2: research into Von's story and got in trouble for it,
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking, like, I can't believe he
Speaker 2: is still out here saying this stuff, saying more stuff,
Speaker 2: and just like you know, I was watching it, thinking,
Speaker 2: any any day now, this guy is going to catch
Speaker 2: the rico and get arrested, surely. And that's just as
Speaker 2: a as a fan, and so I was honestly a
Speaker 2: big fan of Vonn's music. You know, it was it
Speaker 2: was heartbreaking to find out that he died, you know,
Speaker 2: when he passed away.
Speaker 3: That was very man.
Speaker 1: Do you believe everything that rappers rap about?
Speaker 3: I don't believe everything rap that.
Speaker 1: There's some some room for lies, for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term, for exaggeration in reps absolutely.
Speaker 2: And you know, we spoke a minute ago about Rick Ross.
Speaker 2: You know, Rick Ross was one of these artists where
Speaker 2: it sort of was an open secret that he was
Speaker 2: embellishing his past. But here's the thing that I think
Speaker 2: I find really frustrating about the bad reaction to my
Speaker 2: Von video. When Von was alive, all anyone wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about was Von is the realist?
Speaker 1: Von?
Speaker 2: Really about what he says? Von the realist? Von really
Speaker 2: did this ship. And so for everybody to kind of
Speaker 2: come out now after either analyze his lyrics and say
Speaker 2: it's all cap it just to me seems really disingenuous.
Speaker 3: Point. The whole appeal was.
Speaker 1: The right, let me answer that real in comparison, right,
Speaker 1: A lot of the raptures so fake. If he twenty
Speaker 1: percent of if he ten percent of what he was saying,
Speaker 1: he really see that again, it's off. It's it's the
Speaker 1: it's it's the you. You really don't know what you're
Speaker 1: looking at, right, You get you you hearing it, but
Speaker 1: you don't know what the backdrop is. I would say
Speaker 1: that it's in comparison when I say I'm the richest
Speaker 1: nigga in the room, that's right into the baby walk
Speaker 1: in the room. I'm talking to my dogs. I'm the
Speaker 1: richest rhying this motherfucker to the baby show up, he
Speaker 1: the richest, to p show up. He the riches to
Speaker 1: Jay show up. You see what I'm saying. So it's
Speaker 1: it's in comparison to so people who know rappers, who
Speaker 1: have been engaged with rappers have out themselves engaged with
Speaker 1: Vaughn and said, oh he he a little different than
Speaker 1: these rap niggas. The rap niggas because when you get
Speaker 1: behind the scenes somewhere, you probably never haven't been yet, right,
Speaker 1: because you're journalistic. The way you do your thing could
Speaker 1: get you some places you might not have been there yet.
Speaker 1: But once you get behind the scenes and get to see,
Speaker 1: oh shit, right, And not that all these rappers are fake,
Speaker 1: I want you to know that they are not running
Speaker 1: criminal enterprises. They don't have a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: were not the biggest dope boy even in their own neighborhoods.
Speaker 1: So for even Vonn to be a shot call the
Speaker 1: where he come from, it's just a different than the
Speaker 1: rap niggas because the rap niggas come up under somebody
Speaker 1: most time. Right, So I think because Vaughn came in
Speaker 1: with a little bit of rep on this belt, whether
Speaker 1: that's as much as you believe it to be or
Speaker 1: as little as other people believe it to be. Just
Speaker 1: having some in comparison to most rappers places him as
Speaker 1: amongst the realists in the game.
Speaker 3: I get what you say.
Speaker 2: I do agree with you know, there's there's different levels
Speaker 2: of realness. And you know there's people supposedly with with
Speaker 2: more bodies than Von, like you say, you know, Vonn
Speaker 2: is not the biggest ever been alleged. I hate no,
Speaker 2: but that's that's that's that's the topic. That's the topic.
Speaker 2: Like and you know, I appreciate what you're saying. And
Speaker 2: there is a spectrum of realness when it comes to rap.
Speaker 2: You know, you got your Rick Ross, you got your
Speaker 2: little babies, you got your King Von, you got your
Speaker 2: take A's okay, and so there is a spectrum. But
Speaker 2: come on, man, you can't tell me that when King
Speaker 2: Von was alive, people were saying he was twenty percent real.
Speaker 2: The whole appeal, the whole the King Von was that
Speaker 2: that Von was one hundred percent the realist out that's.
Speaker 3: Whatever it says.
Speaker 1: But again, you guys from outside the culture, your scales
Speaker 1: are off. When people are saying he's one hundred percent real,
Speaker 1: he's real. What they're saying is in comparison to the rappers,
Speaker 1: he's not the realist streak du He's not the biggest
Speaker 1: killing in the world, none of their shit, and we
Speaker 1: don't talk about killings. I even hate talking about this
Speaker 1: kind of shit, right, But look, yeah, but again, I
Speaker 1: believe Vaughn to be an artist. I believe Vonn to
Speaker 1: be painting some picture from where he come from. I
Speaker 1: believe the circumstances around Vaughn what he saw was that
Speaker 1: detrimental to his vision. You know. I believe his mouth
Speaker 1: to be a just a portal from what his mind
Speaker 1: to have seen. That's what I believe. I don't know
Speaker 1: that him had been doing all of that, bro without
Speaker 1: any conviction of those things. That's me. That's me being
Speaker 1: in the trenches. You ain't never been to the trenches.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to get you to understand that. When
Speaker 1: they say that King Vaughan is one of the realists
Speaker 1: or he the realists in the game, these rap dues
Speaker 1: do his floy as shit is to give you their
Speaker 1: phone number and then don't answer the texts you know
Speaker 1: these rep what I'm telling you, they putting it. They
Speaker 1: not talking the criminal element that I believe you to
Speaker 1: be talking about. Now here's another element to it. I
Speaker 1: want you to understand. Most of these guys broke. So
Speaker 1: when they go do say cheese, TV interviews and cam
Speaker 1: compone in, they need that check. The vlaty, they need
Speaker 1: that check. I'm gonna say what needs to be said
Speaker 1: to be booked. I need to be booked. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to pay my bills now. I ain't putting a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of you know, I'm gonna put a little some
Speaker 1: on it. I ain't gonna but I'm gonna say what
Speaker 1: needs to be said for him to bring me back,
Speaker 1: and we build on this. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So I need you to understand that everything game with
Speaker 1: no convictions. I'm curious as to how you got to
Speaker 1: a place where you were able to put all this
Speaker 1: together and call this guy's serial killer. When you went
Speaker 1: from making content to giving niggas diagnosis.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, right, I feel like this is where
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into it, because I think I just
Speaker 2: think it's so wrong and disingenuous for all of these
Speaker 2: people to come out and essentially gaslight the victims of
Speaker 2: von An act as if these murders never happened, because
Speaker 2: you've got at least seven people who are dead, and
Speaker 2: von sure he wasn't convicted. This is the funny thing
Speaker 2: people keep saying, Oh, the Malcolm Stucky murder of almos
Speaker 2: put On, he was never convicted. Fine, but he said
Speaker 2: he killed the witness. And you know, there's a to
Speaker 2: a certain degree, if somebody doesn't get convicted of a crime,
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But if they're saying I got away
Speaker 2: with it cause I killed the witness, I think at
Speaker 2: a certain point you just have to say, Okay, there's
Speaker 2: more to this than just were they convicted or not.
Speaker 2: Because Von's on a bunch of songs saying he killed seven.
Speaker 1: People, any conviction, How can you do that?
Speaker 2: You can, because I think there's more ways whether.
Speaker 3: Or not something happened.
Speaker 2: And bear in mind, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to convict Vaughan victims convicted. I'm proving. I'm
Speaker 2: proving his own lyrics. He's on a song saying I've
Speaker 2: got I've got seven bodies, and I'm saying, well, who
Speaker 2: are they let me look into it. And I've looked
Speaker 2: into it.
Speaker 3: I found him.
Speaker 2: He's tweeting, Yes he did. It's always saying all these
Speaker 2: different people that he was smoking on like and he did.
Speaker 2: Like he's on Twitter talking about who made who made
Speaker 2: crack World and a guy called crack killed days before
Speaker 2: and he's.
Speaker 1: That's Chicago call area, that's another that's another poison that's
Speaker 1: in the wall in Chicago. They do that kind of
Speaker 1: ship like. I can tell you right now that they
Speaker 1: got people that's on rico uh charges and ship because
Speaker 1: they're on the phone saying ship that ain't true. You know,
Speaker 1: they on the phone flexing to their homeboy. Man, I
Speaker 1: just man, I've been doing good today. I made a
Speaker 1: hundred recks today. Boy, that ship is being you. But
Speaker 1: it is so real. I take him at his word,
Speaker 1: his word. A lot of those clips you cut out right,
Speaker 1: a lot of those clips. When he was talking, he
Speaker 1: might say, how many bodies I got, how many bodies
Speaker 1: I got, y'all, how many bodies I got.
Speaker 3: Life, He's.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I want you to from that.
Speaker 1: I want you to look at what you are pulling
Speaker 1: from what he's doing, and I want you to say,
Speaker 1: what's disingenuous? Yo? How many bodies I got? Look y'all,
Speaker 1: look they said, I gots it. Look they put five, six,
Speaker 1: they put the mother said I got said that D
Speaker 1: D D They right, I got, said I got. Now
Speaker 1: I'm just playing. You cut out the now. I'm just playing,
Speaker 1: he said.
Speaker 2: He said, he said on oh, he said on O D.
Speaker 2: Perry's life, I got more I'm.
Speaker 1: Talking about And a lot of those clips he would say,
Speaker 1: I'm just bullshit and I'm just playing. I'm just playing.
Speaker 1: You would take that at the clip. You'll just take
Speaker 1: the front Paul when he will say, nigga, I got
Speaker 1: four boyy, they better quit playing with us, And he
Speaker 1: might say I'm just playing in that same clip, you
Speaker 1: ignore that, But yet you taking them at his word.
Speaker 2: He's he's wore in his closest homies life that he
Speaker 2: got more than five bodies.
Speaker 1: Like that don't mean nothing, Bro, You don't listen, and
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Vaughn.
Speaker 3: On your life.
Speaker 1: Have you ever sworn somebody life?
Speaker 3: Who?
Speaker 1: Yes, you ever had somebody die that you sworn their life,
Speaker 1: like in the field, in the in in some kind
Speaker 1: of street war something like that. You ever did that,
Speaker 1: so I want you to check out of this one
Speaker 1: because you ain't never done this one.
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I feel like if we
Speaker 2: take a step back, right, I think there's just something
Speaker 2: I'm important I really want to communicate, which is it's like,
Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from, and I think you're
Speaker 2: rightfully trying to give me an education on how you
Speaker 2: see this with your cultural perspective, and I do respect that,
Speaker 2: but I also think that it's important for you to
Speaker 2: see things from maybe an outsider perspective and say, if
Speaker 2: a guy is running around saying he killed seven people,
Speaker 2: and he's got a whole industry behind him saying this
Speaker 2: guy is the realist, he is no cap At what point,
Speaker 2: as a group of people that are fans of music, say, look,
Speaker 2: vonn was supposedly the realist. He said he killed seven people,
Speaker 2: here's the names of the seven people that died, and
Speaker 2: he's tweeting haha, six shots to the face minutes after
Speaker 2: they died. At what point can we all just say,
Speaker 2: look like, as a community, we've got to put her
Speaker 2: hands up and say murder is wrong.
Speaker 3: Right, You've got a.
Speaker 1: Whole yead larn and I'm not caping for Vaughn because
Speaker 1: I don't know what he done. I'm telling you though,
Speaker 1: that you don't know what he done, and anything said
Speaker 1: with our context can be misunderstood. So I mean, no, listen,
Speaker 1: Vn ain't told you nothing. Your obsession told you everything, right,
Speaker 1: Vaughn ain't communicating nothing with you. Your interpretation. You calling
Speaker 1: these people victims. You diagnosing this man without any convictions
Speaker 1: or any real evidence, based on your understanding of a
Speaker 1: culture you're not a part of. Here. I am an
Speaker 1: outstanding member telling you that it's Camp on rap shit
Speaker 1: outstanding member, and you won't accept that. You're telling me
Speaker 1: that they said Ron is the realist. I agree, Vonn
Speaker 1: may be the realist, but compare to these fuck niggas.
Speaker 1: They not comparing Vaughn to the street guys. He rapping now,
Speaker 1: he trying to save his family. Now. He wanted the
Speaker 1: realists in this game because this game is full of
Speaker 1: boardshit a whole bunch of people that ain't even from
Speaker 1: the culture. That's what's on with this game now.
Speaker 2: So let's say I accept your argument fully. You know
Speaker 2: I denounced my opinions. I completely ubcept your argument. What
Speaker 2: you're saying to me is that all of Von's lyrics
Speaker 2: a cap and he never killed anyone.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that Vaughn is an artist. You're listening to
Speaker 1: music with millions of dollars of production involved in it.
Speaker 1: You have been listened in on an inside conversation or
Speaker 1: any intimate details with him and his family. You're listening
Speaker 1: to production to music. This shit has a marketing budget.
Speaker 1: So this is creative talk. This is something you should accept.
Speaker 1: If you're not the victim, if you're not somebody that
Speaker 1: had to bear with, somebody that could have been the
Speaker 1: reason this situation happened, you need to accept this as
Speaker 1: creativity because you don't know nothing else. Anything else is
Speaker 1: assumption because you ain't been involved. And if I'm telling
Speaker 1: you as an outstanding member that the rap shits a
Speaker 1: lot of room in that, and I ain't calling the
Speaker 1: rap brothers all cap, I want my rap friends to know.
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the streets is a weird place, homie.
Speaker 1: The streets is a fucking weird place that you ain't
Speaker 1: never ever ever seen. I'm telling you. For them dudes
Speaker 1: to survive down there, they had to operate a certain way.
Speaker 1: I don't see him having enough money to get out
Speaker 1: of that at that time when he passed away again,
Speaker 1: R I P. Vaughan because I you know, we're just
Speaker 1: talking about a man like a man. Mama ain't involved.
Speaker 1: And that's what I need you to understand. When you
Speaker 1: running around without any kind of degree of diploma diagnosing
Speaker 1: men in a culture you ain't had nothing to do with.
Speaker 1: What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit?
Speaker 2: What about the seven mothers of the people that here.
Speaker 1: What are you giving them? A boy, what are you
Speaker 1: giving them by making a YouTube documentary and with you
Speaker 1: the only one benefit from they ain't getting nothing from
Speaker 1: that documentary homing.
Speaker 2: What What about the millions of dollars Von made making
Speaker 2: music making fun of that dead relatives?
Speaker 1: What you got to do with that? Is what I'm saying.