WEBVTT - Episode 176 : King Von Documentary Heated Debate | Feat Trap Lore Ross | Part 1 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.120 You know who it is, Big Loon. We got trapped 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:05.800 Lord Ross. Today We're gonna be talking about a lot 0:00:05.840 --> 0:00:08.159 of things. You know, It's a lot of information to 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.200 be spoken about. It's a lot of game to be had. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:13.760 He's been instrumental in a bunch of things that I've 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.759 took a liking to. But I do think that there's 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:19.799 some pushback that needs to be had. This dude is 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:26.200 a content creator of the highest form. Right over the 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:30.640 last couple of days, they've been kind of mashing him 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:33.120 up with ten ninety Jake. He's a little different than 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:37.199 Jake though, he actually is a content creator like and 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:42.680 I'll get to some of his his way of coming 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.160 in the coach and how he got here and all 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.239 of that. But it's gonna be a good one. It's 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.400 gonna be a great conversation. He's been welcoming to all 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.440 questions and all criticism, and he's been able to sit 0:00:55.480 --> 0:01:01.520 with people like academics, King Vaughan's old manager, Adam twenty two, 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:04.080 a lot of those people I've had on my platform 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:07.760 as well. But you know, I'm Big Loan. So for 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:11.480 those of you that's knew around here, which I don't 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:15.160 know if anyone that has not saw my face. I'm 0:01:15.240 --> 0:01:18.600 the dude that is taking over right when we talk 0:01:18.640 --> 0:01:20.640 about podcasting, I'm the guy that went and got a 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:22.840 couple of deals. I did a little babies roll out, 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.640 money bag yo, rollout. So I'm one of the biggest 0:01:25.880 --> 0:01:29.320 you know, and also the real ones check in with me. 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.800 So if you guys got questions, if you guys want 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:37.200 to interact with the conversation, it's definitely a situation where 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.920 we're gonna We're gonna definitely let you guys in on it. 0:01:41.560 --> 0:01:49.920 So I am here. What's going on? My god? 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.080 What's good man? Good to connect, Good to be here finally. Sorry, 0:01:54.360 --> 0:01:57.720 sorry it took me so long to settle and get 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.560 to you, but I'm here now. I'm excited to talk. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:01:59.720 Man. 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:02.720 Good man, I've been seeing you making you round, so 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.440 I know you've been a busy guy after that King 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:08.880 Vaughn thing came out, so I know how that works. Definitely. 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.360 Yeah, it was crazy, man, because you know, I've been 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.320 doing this for a few years, but I never had 0:02:13.919 --> 0:02:15.440 I never had a tension on this level. 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:16.800 You know. I had a lot of different. 0:02:16.560 --> 0:02:21.520 People asking me for interviews, for appearances, for debates, so 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:23.560 it's been a lot to handle. But I got shout 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.480 out Adam twenty two man, because he told me, I 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:27.120 got checking with you. He said, I've got to make 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.120 sure that this one happens. 0:02:28.160 --> 0:02:28.960 So that's my man. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:29.399 I'm here. 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:32.400 Yeah, that's my guy, Adam. That's my guy. Man. I 0:02:32.440 --> 0:02:34.840 went out there and dealt with Adam. We talked behind 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.120 the scenes, out of time. Adam's running the multi million 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:41.000 dollar business. I'm running a multi million dollar business, so 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.640 we talk all the time about those things. Shout out Adam, 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.519 shout out, no jump. But he's been he's hey, he's 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:47.760 headed rough here lately. 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:49.919 It's been up and down for him. 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:50.079 Man. 0:02:50.160 --> 0:02:53.440 You know, I think it's been like you say, you know, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.880 it's tough. You know, I'm not I'm not a multimillion 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:57.639 dollar business yet, but you know what I'm saying, I'm 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.960 still grinding. I'm coming a long way over the list 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.120 few months. But I look up to Adam a lot, 0:03:02.480 --> 0:03:05.239 and you know, I can tell that his operation, there's 0:03:05.240 --> 0:03:07.000 a lot going on, you know, a lot of people 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.800 to keep happy. So I know it's been a tough, tough, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.480 tough situation for him the past few months. But you 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:13.880 know what I mean, I got love for Adam, I 0:03:13.919 --> 0:03:15.640 got love for all of the guys that you know, 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:18.120 we're on No Jumper and on anymore. You know, it 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.600 was really sad to kind of see that that breakup happened. 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:21.880 But you know what I'm saying, I love all those 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:23.200 guys and I know they're going to keep winning. 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.560 So yeah, yeah, there my guys, ad them, my guys, Adam, 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.359 my guy. You know, it's business at the end of 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.680 the day. You know, me and Adam talked the other day. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:32.760 I say, yo, you took a hit. But he just 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.080 got to basically find his chicken sandwich, you know, like Pope's, 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:39.280 Like the menu was the menu, but when they introduced 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:41.640 their chicken sandwich, the line was wrapped around the building. 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.440 So now he has to just figure out what that 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:47.400 is to his audience. And I believe he has an 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.000 opportunity to do so. So it'll just be it'll just 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.960 be a process of finding what that new niche is. 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.240 He may have to walk completely away from you know, 0:03:57.360 --> 0:03:59.720 what he was doing at first with those guys, right 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:01.800 and just try to plug more people in. He may 0:04:01.880 --> 0:04:05.320 have to kind of re you know, reimagine what he 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.480 wants to do on camera. You know what I'm saying. 0:04:08.280 --> 0:04:10.120 Yeah, well, you know, I think what's good is that 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.160 he seems to have, you know, checked in with some 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.440 new interesting people. You know, he's got caught brick Baby. 0:04:15.480 --> 0:04:17.120 You know, I'm a big fan of brick Baby, and 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.400 I think he's great on camera. So you know what 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.760 I'm saying, it's it's a good opportunity for new talent 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.279 to come through. You know, I'm still watching, still watching 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.120 back on fig Community, but you know, new talent on 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.880 No Jump is interesting too, man, So it's it's kind 0:04:29.880 --> 0:04:32.240 of good to see what's going on. Obviously it's tough, 0:04:32.320 --> 0:04:34.320 but hell man, you know there's a lot of a 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.359 lot of podcast beefs over the year, and you know, 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.680 the big whole Joe Budden breakup was obviously a big 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:40.520 thing I was into. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:40.760 At the time. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:43.360 So yeah, ain't need to running the podcast out here. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.200 That's where I got on you from. And I want 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:46.960 my audience to know because I know they want me 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:49.720 to like and we're gonna have some conversations about all 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.120 of the King Vaughn and some of that shit. But 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:54.440 I know they want me to get him long, like 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:57.320 talk to him about this shit loan because you're the guy, 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.159 and we'll get to talk about it. But I do 0:05:00.240 --> 0:05:02.719 want people to know that I do respect what you do, 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.200 right I saw. I remember when I first saw you 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:10.119 on the Joe Budden podcast Breakup. I said, oh, this dude, 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:14.280 I actually pitched you to a big company and I 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:16.479 just didn't reach out to you just yet. But but 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:18.760 I'll talk to you behind the scenes about a few things. 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:22.440 But you know, the way you do that documentary style 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:25.560 thing is just I really appreciate that, right, I want 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.400 you to know that. And that's before the King Vaughn thing. Now, 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:35.680 the King Vaughn thing, it sent waves through the culture because. 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:38.360 I wasn't expecting it, to be honest, it was more 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:39.720 than I was. I was dogging for. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.159 I know it. Tell me, tell me your upbringing before 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:45.719 we get to all of that stuff. Tell the people 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.960 where you're from, how you were born and raised, things 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:49.320 like that. 0:05:50.279 --> 0:05:52.600 Yeah, man, I'm happy to talk about that. So I 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:55.320 was born in London, or sort of like an area 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.640 that's sort of the south of London. Some people say 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.440 it's not London, some people say it is, but area 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:02.919 called Croydon, which is kind of you know, it's got 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:05.800 a little bit of a reputation, but you know, at 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:08.240 the same time, you know, I lived there till I 0:06:08.240 --> 0:06:11.440 was about five or six, and then my family relocated 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.040 to a very small town on the south coast of England. 0:06:14.040 --> 0:06:16.159 You probably never heard of this town, but it's a 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.000 town called Bognor, Regis. It's a very small town. It's 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:22.560 by the seaside, by the beach. You know, I'll be honest, 0:06:22.600 --> 0:06:25.240 it's not a very diverse town. You know, it's sort 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.640 of a very kind of simple British people. Not to 0:06:28.680 --> 0:06:30.480 disrespect them, but it's you know, it's a small town, 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.279 you know, small, small opportunities. 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:34.320 Not a lot going on there. 0:06:34.680 --> 0:06:38.600 But the funny thing is, man, you know, I grew 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:40.760 up loving hip hop and where I'm from it's not 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.520 a very hip hop place, you know where in the UK. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:45.520 You know, London's really the big place for hip hop. 0:06:45.600 --> 0:06:47.800 But I moved out of London when I was very young. 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:50.440 But fortunately I grew up just when the Internet was 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:52.880 really kind of hitting, and so I was a young kid, 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:57.719 you know, nine ten years old on the Internet, downloading music, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.560 listening to people like jay Z fifty seven, Eminem and 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:03.960 you know, my parents didn't understand I had two older 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:07.200 brothers that were super into hip hop, and really I 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.880 was just like an internet baby, you know, I was. 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.160 I was kind of getting raised by rappers on the Internet. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.000 Listening to all of these stories, you know, the success, 0:07:15.240 --> 0:07:18.560 the danger, the lifestyle, the ups and downs. Like I say, 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:21.120 people like jay Z, you know, listening to his story 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.040 coming from the Massy Projects where I was growing up 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.040 at the time, was just you know, it's the complete opposite. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:29.960 You know, no pun intended, but it was black and 0:07:29.960 --> 0:07:32.640 white day and night. What I was living to what 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:34.680 I was hearing in these songs about people like jay Z, 0:07:35.080 --> 0:07:39.880 them dmx eminem was it was fascinating to me, honestly, 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.400 and I was just in love with hip hop. You know, 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.640 I didn't have many friends that liked hip hop. But 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.320 like I said, I grew up in a very small, 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:47.760 boring town. You know, not much happened, you know, there 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.800 wasn't there wasn't much going on. 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.160 So what would you say? What would you say? Because 0:07:53.160 --> 0:07:56.200 I know your love from hip hop is there. I 0:07:56.240 --> 0:07:58.360 think a lot of people share that across the world. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:07:58.600 Right. 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.320 Hip hop is just such a magnet, right, It's something 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:06.280 that draws people to it. But it's our culture. Right, 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.320 So where did where did you gain your understanding of it? 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:12.880 Not your love for it, but your understanding because that's 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:15.480 a little different, and that's when you get into the weeds. Right, 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.320 your love for it could have you speak on something 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.800 that you may not understand. So now we got to 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:24.120 figure out where the understanding of hip hop and that 0:08:24.240 --> 0:08:26.720 culture comes from. Seeing that you did grow up in 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:31.320 the area that really didn't have all all of what 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:34.440 we've been through, right, Like me, did you ever did 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:38.720 you ever do backwards flips on mattresses or play football 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.079 up the heel or nick knock or do you even 0:08:42.120 --> 0:08:44.160 know what nick knock is? Or like you know some 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.520 of these things what our culture grew up in. It's 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.160 like where did where did you get your understanding of it? 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:50.320 Was it through the music? 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:52.439 Is nick knock? 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:53.800 Is that like when you knock on the door and 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.040 run away in the UK? In the UK we call 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:57.959 that knockdown ginger? 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:01.840 Okay, So it's different, different verbis yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:04.400 So I mean, I'll be honest, man, you know, like 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:06.280 I say, you know, it begun with the music and 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.520 really it was you know, it was another world to me. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:10.760 I'll be honest, you know, and I think you make 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.840 a good point. You know, I understand I understood the music, 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.200 but I didn't understand the culture. You know, I'd never uh, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.959 I'd never been to some of the places I was 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.400 hearing about in this music. It was only through the internet, 0:09:20.679 --> 0:09:23.320 you know, listening to them, listening to the songs, and 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:25.080 like reading the lyrics. You know, when you get like 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.760 a back in the day, you'd get CD. You'd actually 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.240 buy album, you know, like the Blueprint or something on CD, 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:32.959 and sometimes you might have or on vinyl and it 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.000 might have all the lyrics you know, in the booklet 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:36.640 or stuff like that, you know. And I would really 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:38.880 study hip hop and the rappers that I was into, 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.360 and honestly just the details, you know. And for me, 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:44.160 I think it was actually like a case that I 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:46.400 kind of knew I didn't have that cultural understanding of 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.400 the music, and I was really just trying to learn 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:51.560 as much as I possibly could, you know, I think 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.200 I was always just really hungry and thirsty to know 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:58.360 about hip hop, Like these artists were inspiring me, and 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.040 you know, I wanted to learn more about jay Z's past. 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.720 I wanted to know what, what's it like in New York? 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.800 You know, what is the massie projects, Like what's the 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:08.680 history of these places? Like and really just between listening 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:11.079 to the music, you know, doing research on the internet 0:10:11.120 --> 0:10:13.400 that type of thing. You know, I just I was 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.960 just obsessed with hip hop and these rappers that are 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.880 idolized and then over the years, you know, I just 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:18.760 learned more about it. 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:20.240 And you know, it's kind of. 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:23.400 An interesting transition because when I was eighteen, I moved 0:10:23.440 --> 0:10:25.000 to London. I kind of moved back to like the 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.240 center of London. And you know, London's interesting because, you know, 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:31.720 unlike where I grew up. You know, London is very multicultural. 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.080 You've got a lot of people from different backgrounds. You know, 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.960 Black Asian you know, obviously is a big Asian sort 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.040 of community in the UK. 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.160 You know, people of. 0:10:41.120 --> 0:10:44.400 Indian and Pakistani descent especially, as well like Afro Caribbean 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.520 people from you know, different areas, different countries in Africa 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.440 and stuff like that. So it was interesting for me. 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:52.800 I kind of moved back to London and you know, 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:54.320 I'll just be real with you. You know, I came from 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:54.880 a place. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:55.800 That was very white. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.760 You know, there weren't really many black people growing up 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:01.040 where I grew up. You know, we probably had like 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:03.960 one black dude in our school realistically, and you know, 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.800 when I moved to London, it was just more multicultural. 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:05.960 You know. 0:11:06.040 --> 0:11:08.720 I'd like to think of myself as pretty open minded. 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.400 You know, the rappers and the people I idolized growing 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:14.160 up a lot of successful Can you. 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.720 Be open minded if you didn't grow up around us, Like, 0:11:17.800 --> 0:11:19.120 how do you develop that? 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.280 It's an interesting one because I think for me, because 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.840 I listened to so much hip hop music, I think 0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:28.880 I was just open minded to black culture in general. 0:11:28.960 --> 0:11:32.280 It wasn't necessarily just hip hop music, like black comedians too. 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.200 I used to love deaf comedy jam Dave Chappelle, like 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.320 way back, you know before obviously Chappelle was always big, 0:11:38.360 --> 0:11:39.960 but like where he's at now, you know, when I 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:41.800 was a kid, it was like early Chappelle's show he 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:44.720 was doing like Live at the fillmore deaf comedy jam, 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.040 And I guess I was just really I just liked 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.440 black culture. I just I found black comedians funny, and 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:53.880 I found a lot of white comedians not as funny, 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:55.920 or I just it's funny because it's like I can't 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:58.120 really say I related to it more because I didn't 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.720 live that experience. But at the same time, you know, 0:12:01.000 --> 0:12:02.720 all I would listen to is hip hop music. I 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.959 didn't relate to the pop music that my friends were 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:07.880 listening to at school. I couldn't get into it. I 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:09.720 didn't like it. I wanted to listen to jay Z, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:11.960 I wanted to listen to DMX, I wanted to listen 0:12:12.000 --> 0:12:14.959 to NAS and you know, to be honest, I guess 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:17.920 it's just a case of like that, I would probably 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.040 say that were racist people. 0:12:20.080 --> 0:12:21.959 You know, where I grew up, it's very white. 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:25.319 Clothes, That's what I'm saying. So okay, So let's focus 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:28.320 on the words, right because you say that yo, I 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:32.160 was open minded, but where I'm from it racist people. 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.400 And so at some point you want us to believe 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.360 that you're the only one that came out of there 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.480 without the racism on them. You see what I'm saying now. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.200 I don't know, but for the sake of conversation, we 0:12:43.240 --> 0:12:46.440 got ahead a conversation. If you come from a place 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:51.240 where it's mostly one black dude in the school, how 0:12:51.240 --> 0:12:54.040 do you get from that to speaking on black culture? 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:58.360 And then number two, my second question would be, let's 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.760 focus on the words of open minded or infatuated? Were 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.920 you just infatuated with culture? Because I was infatuated with 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:07.840 my own culture as a youngster, Like you say, def comedy, jam, 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:11.120 the rap stuff. But for you to be open minded 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:14.480 would kind of speak to an understanding. You see what 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:19.080 I'm saying. Open minded does it speak to engaging with 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:23.760 or like listening to or you know, seeking after it? 0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:26.920 Kind of open minded, in my opinion, speaks to an 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:31.480 understanding of of that culture. So help me with those 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:32.200 two questions. 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:34.839 Yeah, I guess the way I see it is it's 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.400 just like, you know, I gained a lot of understanding 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.400 and knowledge about hip hop through listening to hip hop music. 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:41.920 It's the only genre that I wanted to listen to, 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:43.920 you know, I think, and you know, I don't think 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.880 it's necessarily fair to say if I'm from an area 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.079 that's like predominantly white and there are a lot of 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:50.520 racist people, that that necessarily makes me racist. You know, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.480 I left that area I moved to London. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:57.240 Doesn't make you racist. But you do come from you know, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:01.280 your environment does dictate your outlook, right, and it's hard 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.280 for me to believe that you can come from a 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:07.200 place where you see no black people at all, and 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:09.439 not that you're racist. Right. I don't want to say 0:14:09.480 --> 0:14:11.520 you're racist, because I don't think you're racist. I really 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:15.640 believe you enjoy our culture. But I think your understanding 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.160 of some things that happen in the culture can be 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:19.720 off a little bit. And that's why we're going to 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.120 have a conversation to kind of see where we live at, 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:26.280 Like what can we do to either figure out Oh yeah, fuck, 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.920 I didn't think about that, or no, I thought about that, 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:30.640 But this is just how I look at it. Right, 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.600 So I'm thinking when you come from and I don't 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:35.840 want to hang up on this a lot, but if 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.120 you come from a place where you see one black person, right, 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:42.480 first of all, how did you discover hip hop? Was 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:44.760 it the internet? Yeah? 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.520 So first off, let me just jump back. 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:48.440 I think I just want to make it clear out 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:50.600 I don't necessarily really agree with that premise as far 0:14:50.600 --> 0:14:52.840 as like if you're from an area that is, say, 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:55.200 predominantly white, that you're going to be racist. You know, 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:56.840 for example, like if you come from an area that's 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.280 high crime, that doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:01.040 be a criminal, you know what I'm saying. So, but 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.480 what you won't see crunch the person by their environment 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:05.960 they're from, if you get what I'm saying. So it's 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.200 kind of like, you know, I just I just want 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.320 to make it clear, like I don't think that me 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:14.720 being from an area that's predominantly white necessarily should should 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:16.880 lead to like an assumption being made about the type 0:15:16.880 --> 0:15:18.080 of person I am. You know, I want to be 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.400 judged on my actions and the content of my character 0:15:20.480 --> 0:15:22.520 rather than where I'm from or the color of my skin. 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.720 You know you will be. What I'm saying is I'm 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.880 not speaking to your behavior. I'm speaking to your understanding. 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:30.800 So I'm speaking to if I grow up in a 0:15:30.800 --> 0:15:34.200 house where domestic violence is prevalent, when I come outside 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.240 of it at home, I don't see that as abnormal. 0:15:37.000 --> 0:15:39.320 I don't see when I see a man fight a woman, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.640 I don't see that as abnormal because that's all I 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.960 saw growing up. So I'm speaking about your understanding, not 0:15:46.040 --> 0:15:49.000 your behavior. You're talking to me about your behavior. I'm 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.600 talking about if I come from a place where I've 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.640 seen no bugs all my life and then I come 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.560 in your house and see a bug, I'm going to 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.080 react in a certain way because I have no understanding 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:00.680 of it. It's gonna be like, oh, what the fuck 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.320 is that? I've never grew up, I've never seen that. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:04.640 Oh how nasty? All y'all have those what the fuck 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:04.880 is that? 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:05.320 Like? 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.120 It could be something that calls it. It could be 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.680 your neighbors. It could be your neighbors are nasty to 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:12.720 cause their buck. I have no understanding on bugs at all. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.480 So all I know is I've never saw it, so 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:18.080 I was. I'm more so speaking about your behavior. I 0:16:18.080 --> 0:16:21.360 mean your understanding, not your behavior. Cause again I want 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:25.120 to say that you look at our culture and you enjoyed, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.680 you participate in it. Like I'm telling you, I've watched 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:31.080 your content. Bro, you you bust raps like you're not 0:16:31.280 --> 0:16:34.360 just some guy who you know is just flavorless and 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.600 just jumped into this, right, But your understanding is what 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.160 we're just gonna live at a second. But to that, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.440 what do you say? Cause again I'm speaking of understanding, 0:16:43.520 --> 0:16:44.200 not behavior. 0:16:45.280 --> 0:16:47.240 Yeah, I mean, you know the thing that I think 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.600 I think it's really clear to like try and communicate 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.880 is you know the environment that I grew up in, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.360 maybe that was predominantly white. I didn't feel like I 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:56.880 fit in not that I identify as black or something 0:16:56.920 --> 0:16:58.880 crazy like that. But all the artists that I was 0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.680 listening to, not all of them, because you've got plenty 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:03.520 of you know, successful good white artists that I was 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.359 listening to growing up, people like Eminem or you know, 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:09.119 other kind of white rappers that were popular. But the 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:11.720 people I idolized were predominantly black. You know, I was 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:13.760 a young white guy in a predominantly white area, but 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.320 the posters on my wall were successful black men that 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.960 I looked up to and idolized. I mean, I'll be honest, 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:21.640 I don't have that experience. I didn't grow up in 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.600 an area that you know, I didn't grow up in 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:27.280 a predominantly black area with some of the maybe, for example, 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.760 the socioeconomic problems that you know, might go on in 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:32.800 some of those areas traditionally, right, So I'll throw I'll 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:34.120 be the first to throw my hands up and say 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.320 I haven't been through that struggle. But for me, I 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:39.280 think as a youngster, when I wasn't in that sort 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:41.520 of area, I think the music was like a window 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.479 for me to understand black people and the black struggle. 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:47.119 You know, I don't pretend that like I know what 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:48.960 it was like to grow up in the massy projects. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:51.080 But I think listening to you know nothing but jay 0:17:51.119 --> 0:17:54.320 Z songs growing up, it gave me that sympathy. And then, 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.160 you know, I knew black people growing up. I would 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.159 never be judgmental of someone based on the color of 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.359 their skin, even maybe at school. You know, there were 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.880 racist people at my school, and you know I didn't 0:18:03.920 --> 0:18:05.879 fuck with that. But once I became an adult and 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.719 I turned eighteen, you know, I moved to London. As 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:09.840 I was saying a minute ago, London was very multicultural. 0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:11.719 You know, I begun to make friends with a lot 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:13.800 of black people. And what I actually ended up doing 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:16.560 when I was in London as a job is, you know, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:19.800 I started making music videos and making music videos for rappers. 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:22.720 You know, I guess the majority of the artists that 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:24.840 I shot music videos with were black. But you know, 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:31.480 I never met black people with a closed minded a perspective. 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:33.160 You know, I was always just in love with hip 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:35.679 hop music. If I met somebody that was black, white 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.720 Indian that also loved hip hop music, we had a connection. 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:41.280 We had something to talk about. I can't say that, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:45.720 you know, I grew up in the tough areas. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:47.919 And I want to be a good trap is that 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.080 when I say us, and this is what I'm saying about, 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:53.480 your understanding even of our culture is a little old 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.520 because I'm a rich black man, right, so when I 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.960 say black men, we don't need simpathy. You know what 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.120 I'm saying, There's no like all of us ain't come 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.000 from or all of our circumstances are not in a 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:10.679 place where people need to sympathize for us, or you know, 0:19:10.880 --> 0:19:15.679 be like we're some sort of victims. Like you know 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:17.679 what I'm saying. It's like you know, I know you 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.480 say it gives you a window into listening to jay Z, 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.879 gave you a window into black culture, so you can 0:19:22.960 --> 0:19:25.720 kind of sympathize. First of all, a lot of the 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:28.960 rap shit is fake, a lot of the talking from raps, 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:31.879 and I know from outside of the culture, y'all, you 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.560 may not get that. Oh that's what I want to say. 0:19:33.600 --> 0:19:35.520 Let me go back. We'll get to that in a second. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.399 When I say hip hop or when I say the 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:43.000 tough area, when I say our culture, I'm not talking 0:19:43.000 --> 0:19:45.840 about just the criminal element, right. That's why I was 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.840 talking to you about maybe barbecues or you know, football 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.159 up the heel, or maybe cookouts or you know, just 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:56.399 other things that we do in our culture that lends 0:19:56.480 --> 0:19:59.120 us that understanding. Even when we talk to each other, 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:02.239 Like my neighborhood. I don't play like this, but in 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.720 my neighborhood, for some strange reason, they talk to each 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:08.840 other and they'll say, bitch, what you doing, bitch, bitch, 0:20:08.840 --> 0:20:12.840 how you bitch? What you got? Like if a police 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:17.080 officer or someone is listening to that, that sounds violent 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.560 when that's not even that. You have to be of 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.080 the culture to understand how they can use a word 0:20:22.640 --> 0:20:24.959 like that to each other and it's not causing that 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:27.240 level of violence. You can't get that through hip hop. 0:20:27.640 --> 0:20:29.280 You see what I'm saying that. And I mean when 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:34.360 I say culture, it's not just music. It's fashion, it's jargon, 0:20:34.680 --> 0:20:38.280 it's lifestyle, it's it's even and it is it is 0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.200 some hardship, it is some what we've been through. Right, 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:43.439 I talk like this, I walk like this because of 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:45.840 what I've been through, you know. And so it's more 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:49.080 than just hip hop that makes us what we are. 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:51.600 And so I'm trying to help you get a real 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:54.639 window into the culture because hip hop is just a 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.840 little bitty facet of our culture. And when you're dealing 0:20:57.880 --> 0:21:00.360 with our rappers, you're dealing with more than the hip 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.560 hop artists. You're dealing with a young black man from 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:05.600 our culture. You see what I'm saying. And I know 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.840 sometimes from the outside it's just oh, another rapper, blew 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:12.840 up another rapper. It's like, no, he's speaking culture language. 0:21:12.880 --> 0:21:15.240 He's saying some culture shit. Whether it's right or wrong. 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:20.600 And how you how you interpret it is what we 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.040 want to talk about a little later. But you know, 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:24.720 to that, what do you say? 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.439 Well, you know, I think it's interesting because I think 0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:28.679 if we go back to like what I said at 0:21:28.680 --> 0:21:30.520 the start, you know, it's not just about hip hop 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:33.520 like I say. You know, I grew up just into 0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:37.159 things that I guess would be seen as black culture. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.440 You know, it's not just hip hop like I say. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.440 I grew up watching comedy like Deaf comedy jam, people. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:43.200 That like DL D. 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:44.960 L Hugley, Dave Chappelle. 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:46.280 And I think, you know, it's it's almost like I 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:48.240 got I actually go you know, everything you just said 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.439 I agreed with to be honest, Like, I think for me, 0:21:50.520 --> 0:21:52.800 it's it's not necessarily I don't feel like I've really 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:55.000 got something to prove as far as, like, you know, 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:57.919 my affinity with black people. You know, at the end 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:00.320 of the day, I think I'm just this weird white 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:02.040 dude that grew up in a very white area. But 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.280 I listened to nothing but hip hop, you know, listen 0:22:04.320 --> 0:22:07.400 to nothing but black comedians, black people I find successful. 0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:09.159 Even beyond that, you know, I remember growing up and 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.720 I seeing the Malcolm X film and just being so 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:15.840 inspired by this amazing, you know, powerful black man that 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:18.440 kind of overcome his adversity. And as I said before, 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.639 like really I just grew up having a lot of 0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:23.240 black people as my heroes and people I really admired. Now, 0:22:23.440 --> 0:22:25.800 does that mean that I had the black experience? You know, No, 0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:27.760 and I don't claim to have had that. And like 0:22:27.800 --> 0:22:29.240 I said, I kind of agree with everything you just 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:31.440 said to be honest, but I really what I'm trying 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:33.240 to say is just it's like I really mean no 0:22:33.320 --> 0:22:35.679 harm like, and I don't claim to be like an 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.639 expert of black culture or black people, like, you know, 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:40.640 my topic area on my channel is hip hop, hip 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:44.359 hop music, rappers, that stuff I'm interested in, and realistically, like, 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:46.159 when it comes to that, stuff. You know, I do 0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:48.040 have a good knowledge, you know, it's all it's it's 0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:51.280 we're talking twenty five years plus of just me listening 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:54.720 to nothing but hip hop and like learning about hip hop, 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:56.639 learning about the lyrics. I don't claim to be like 0:22:56.680 --> 0:22:59.280 some sort of a black culture expert. But at the 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.560 same time, I kind of, you know, I grew up 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.040 on that stuff, even though I wasn't from that area. 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.760 So I'm kind of a messed up with random dude. 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:08.720 I really I'm not trying to claim to be anything 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:10.800 I'm not. And you know, I really don't mean to 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.240 offend anybody with the things I say or the things 0:23:13.280 --> 0:23:13.919 I put across. 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:15.359 And I'm quite open minded. 0:23:15.119 --> 0:23:18.520 Man and necessarily right with the King Vaughn thingg And 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:20.800 that's what I'm saying. Right before the King Vaughn thinging. 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.320 I'm literally in building saying, look, I need to hire 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.400 this guy, like, give me it. I need to hire 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.159 this guy. Got some things I want to do with 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.560 this guy, like how he does it. I want to 0:23:30.560 --> 0:23:33.320 pitch him some things and let him kind of get 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.080 it together and then we bring it back to the 0:23:35.119 --> 0:23:38.639 network like I was. And then the King Vaughn thing happened, 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.760 but before King Vaughn. Let's go back. I still want 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:44.280 to know how you got onto jay Z. If nobody 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.639 around you's listening to how we crept into your roller dicks. 0:23:48.480 --> 0:23:50.720 Well that's the thing, so to be fair. So I 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.639 had two older brothers, right, and bear in mind, so 0:23:52.760 --> 0:23:55.800 I moved her from London, South London to like Croydon 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.679 from when I was about five or six years old, right. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.280 So my older brothers they were like, I don't know 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:04.640 the exactly, like six and ten. 0:24:04.600 --> 0:24:05.280 Years older than me. 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:07.879 So they grew up in London, right, So they were 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:11.240 more urbanized as far as like living in the city, 0:24:11.560 --> 0:24:13.639 living in a much more multicultural area. So they were 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.879 into like a lot more diverse range of things, not 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:18.959 just hip hop, but they liked hip hop. They had 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.040 a few hip hop records. 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:20.840 They were into. 0:24:20.680 --> 0:24:24.800 Skateboarding, surfing, just more shit that was more city type stuff. 0:24:25.280 --> 0:24:27.399 And for me, I think it's just hip Hop's the 0:24:27.440 --> 0:24:28.920 thing I latched onto. You know, I had an older 0:24:28.960 --> 0:24:31.240 brother that he would make hip hop beats. You know, 0:24:31.280 --> 0:24:33.240 we moved from London to this kind of small town. 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:35.080 There was nothing going on, and you know, my brother 0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:37.360 would mess around on logic making beats, and I thought 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:39.320 that was really cool. You know, I would steal his 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.240 records and like I say, listen to my jay Z, 0:24:41.440 --> 0:24:43.040 listen to my you know these up here I do 0:24:43.160 --> 0:24:45.080 if you know these this is the like Ruckus Records 0:24:45.160 --> 0:24:49.920 kind of collection. And these are some of the first 0:24:49.960 --> 0:24:51.919 records that I ever had of Like these are records 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:53.800 that I stole from my older brothers and were spinning 0:24:54.200 --> 0:24:57.560 like peramunch eminem like early stuff. And i'd have been 0:24:57.600 --> 0:25:00.560 so I think that series like ninety nine, two thousand, 0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:02.800 so you know, we're talking like i'd be like seven 0:25:02.880 --> 0:25:04.760 or eight discovering this stuff for the first time. So 0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:07.160 I guess I would give it to my older brothers. 0:25:07.240 --> 0:25:09.119 You know, I had an older brother that used to 0:25:09.119 --> 0:25:11.159 make rap beats. My other brother, you know, there was 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.080 a period of time when he was trying to kind 0:25:13.080 --> 0:25:16.199 of make it as a rapper and releasing songs and 0:25:16.240 --> 0:25:19.960 pressing records, and I was just super inspired by them 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:22.119 and sort of the rappers that I was listening to really, 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:24.280 so in a way, I guess it's sort of like 0:25:24.320 --> 0:25:26.919 my older brothers having some hip hop records around, but 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.480 like they were kind of they were into that shit. 0:25:29.560 --> 0:25:31.600 But I really just got obsessive and just took it 0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:33.600 to a whole other level. I didn't want to play football, 0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:36.240 I didn't want to surf for skateboard. I just wanted 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:38.600 to listen to hip hop all day. And like you know, 0:25:38.640 --> 0:25:40.560 I was when I was a little kid, even like 0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:42.240 I was a young kid, like nine years old, trying 0:25:42.240 --> 0:25:44.159 to rap. But I had my little raps in school 0:25:44.359 --> 0:25:45.920 and people were like, what the hell are you doing? 0:25:45.960 --> 0:25:46.600 Like what is this? 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:48.600 But I just loved it. I just thought that was 0:25:48.600 --> 0:25:50.080 so cool. That's what I wanted to do, That's what 0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:52.199 I wanted to be. And I guess yeah, partly like 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.399 my older brothers, partly the Internet, because I once I 0:25:55.560 --> 0:25:58.200 got these records and I kind of got into hip hop, 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.719 and then the Internet was around. I would just you know, 0:26:00.800 --> 0:26:03.360 looking up all these artists, downloading their whole catalog. Let 0:26:03.359 --> 0:26:05.960 me listen to the you know, discover eminem and jay Z. 0:26:06.119 --> 0:26:08.320 Let me listen to every song they've ever made, every 0:26:08.359 --> 0:26:10.400 remix they've ever done. That's I was just sat there 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:11.760 doing that all day. And that's how I kind of 0:26:11.760 --> 0:26:14.400 built up this hip hop knowledge. Kind of by accident, 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:17.440 but that's where that knowledge came from. And then many 0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:20.400 years later, you know, I tried to get into the industry. 0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:22.800 I wanted to be a video director for rappers. So 0:26:22.880 --> 0:26:25.400 I was kind of working with just like local rappers 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.600 and rappers that I met in London to like shoot 0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.040 their videos and try and help promote their careers and stuff. 0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:32.399 And you know, I just wanted to be close to 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:34.560 hip hop. I honestly, at the time, I never really 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:36.320 would have even imagined I'd have ended up doing what 0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:38.760 I do now, But you know, things just kind of 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.439 unfolded in a weird way. But yeah, it's just it 0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:43.399 just all came from the music and just being a 0:26:43.440 --> 0:26:45.000 kid just loving hip hop really. 0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.520 And you know what, you got onto the music early. 0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:50.760 And I can hear that, right, I want to know 0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:56.600 when did you get into the content part of it? 0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.520 Like not necessarily the music, but hey, I think I 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.320 knowing no about this stuff. I'm gonna say something, right, 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:04.480 when when did you get there? 0:27:05.880 --> 0:27:08.399 That's an interesting story, right, So this is a funny one. 0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:10.840 It might not be what you expect. But so I 0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:13.080 moved to London when I was like eighteen, you know, 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.560 I was studying making music videos for rappers. It was 0:27:15.640 --> 0:27:17.159 kind of like just I was trying a lot of 0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.240 different stuff, and I actually started doing stand up comedy. 0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.679 So you know, I was going around in London, like 0:27:22.720 --> 0:27:25.439 going to these nightclubs because as well as rappers like 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:28.120 people like Dave Chappelle, I looked up to comedians too, 0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:31.360 like a lot of comedians that I just thought were dope. 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:33.040 So I wanted to give that a try. So I 0:27:33.080 --> 0:27:35.399 got into the open mic circuit in London and started 0:27:35.400 --> 0:27:37.600 doing a bit stand up comedy and it was you know, 0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:39.320 I'm saying I was doing it a bit, but it 0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:41.880 wasn't really going anywhere. And then I kind of started 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.520 getting into to making YouTube videos, so I was making 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:48.359 more like comedy sketches, like with my friends. You know, 0:27:48.680 --> 0:27:51.040 I kind of like, so I got homie that I 0:27:51.080 --> 0:27:54.040 knew from Brixton, which you know, one known spot in 0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.440 South London. But you know, me and my homie, soitanye 0:27:57.680 --> 0:27:59.760 we knew each other from doing stand up comedy, and 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.119 we started doing these sketches and you know, some of 0:28:02.119 --> 0:28:05.600 the content we made sort of almost had this element 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.000 of like, you know, he was a young black guy 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:13.280 from Brixton. You know, he's half Nigerian, half Jamaican, and 0:28:13.520 --> 0:28:15.480 I'm sort of this nerdy white guy from the South 0:28:15.520 --> 0:28:17.560 of England, but I am obsessed with hip hop. So 0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:20.440 we did a few like comedy sketches of like kind 0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.600 of almost that that thing, almost like a black guy 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:25.440 and a white guy living life in a different way. 0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.320 Like me and him did this comedy sketch where he 0:28:27.320 --> 0:28:29.840 took me to like the Nigerian food spot and he's 0:28:29.880 --> 0:28:31.400 eating with his hands and like I don't know how 0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:34.480 to eat the food and shit right, And so like 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:36.159 me and my homies just doing stuff like this. No 0:28:36.160 --> 0:28:37.960 one was we were getting no views, like it wasn't 0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.440 going anywhere, but we were just trying to do this 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:43.200 whole comedy thing. Like you know, my Palsertanie, he's a 0:28:43.200 --> 0:28:45.280 great guy. Shout out to him, you know, he was. 0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.680 He was another person super inspired by people like Dave Chappelle, 0:28:49.480 --> 0:28:53.000 you know, other great black comedians, and he was kind 0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:54.480 of doing his stand up thing and me and him, 0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.160 we were just trying to make it basically like running 0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:58.360 around London trying to make it in the content game. 0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:01.440 And the funny thing is, you know, YouTube just wasn't 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.280 going anywhere for me, but I just kept trying. Like 0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:04.720 every year, I would just be like, let me do 0:29:04.720 --> 0:29:07.880 another sketch, let me do a reaction video. And over 0:29:07.960 --> 0:29:10.200 time I started doing a few videos that were hip 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.600 hop related, but it was kind of more UK stuff 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:14.680 funnily enough, like you know, I don't know if you know, 0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:17.000 Skepta sort of the big you know, the big grime 0:29:17.080 --> 0:29:18.880 rapper in the UK's one of the biggest guys in 0:29:18.920 --> 0:29:20.960 the UK. But like, you know, I did a few 0:29:21.000 --> 0:29:23.000 reactions to like he would drop a new music video. 0:29:23.040 --> 0:29:25.640 I'd sort of react to Skepta's music video. But again 0:29:25.880 --> 0:29:28.440 I wasn't really getting views, like it wasn't going anywhere, 0:29:28.440 --> 0:29:29.760 but I just kept doing it because it was fun. 0:29:30.520 --> 0:29:32.120 You know, there's a big rapper in the UK called 0:29:32.120 --> 0:29:34.560 the Russ, not the American Russ. 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.800 We've got our own Russ. He's fire. Shout out to him. 0:29:37.120 --> 0:29:39.400 But you know I did I did a video where 0:29:39.440 --> 0:29:41.280 I kind of broke down the history of like one 0:29:41.280 --> 0:29:44.600 of his music videos and like he had this Lamborghini 0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:46.480 in his video and I sort of told the story 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.040 of how he got this Lamborghini. And it didn't really 0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.240 go anywhere, but that was like the first video I 0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:53.360 did that kind of had like some structure and sort 0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.280 of told the rap story, and I was I didn't 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:57.920 really I didn't really rock with it. I didn't think 0:29:57.960 --> 0:29:59.640 it was that good a video. But I had another 0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:03.320 home that was doing videos, YouTube videos, sort of more 0:30:03.400 --> 0:30:06.400 like history type stuff. And you know, people that know 0:30:06.480 --> 0:30:08.440 me in real knife know that I'm obsessed with hip hop. 0:30:08.520 --> 0:30:10.080 Like I'm the guy at a party trying to tell 0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:12.280 someone a hip hop story, or like, if there's a song, 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.360 I'm trying to be like, oh, you know, like did 0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:16.000 you know this about this song? Like did you know 0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.320 jay Z like sold a million records of this album? 0:30:18.440 --> 0:30:21.120 Or this this happened or that happened, or like Gucci, 0:30:21.240 --> 0:30:23.040 like did you know Gucci main beat a murder case. 0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.200 I was that guy, and my homie just said to me, like, 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:28.360 you know, why don't you tell some of those stories 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:30.320 that you're always telling people and do it in the 0:30:30.400 --> 0:30:33.080 video like your Russ video. And it's kind of funny 0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:35.320 because at the time, I literally I said to the guy, 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.320 I was like, I don't think people are gonna rock 0:30:37.320 --> 0:30:40.440 with this, this nerdy white guy with glasses talking about these, 0:30:40.760 --> 0:30:43.520 you know, real ass hip hop stories. And I kind 0:30:43.520 --> 0:30:45.760 of put it off, and then eventually I just said 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:47.400 you know what, let me make a story. Let me 0:30:47.440 --> 0:30:50.280 make a hip hop history video. See how that goes. 0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:53.160 And I did the video about how jay Z shot 0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.280 his brother when he was twelve and just kind of 0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:57.480 telling that story. And that was just the story that 0:30:57.480 --> 0:30:59.440 really stood out to me of you know, hearing those 0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.400 lyrics when I as a kid and thinking, wow, you know, 0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:05.520 that's that's crazy. That's a circumstance, like shooting your brother 0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.360 when you're just twelve, Like that was something completely out 0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.200 of my conception, and it was an interesting story. And 0:31:11.240 --> 0:31:13.000 I made that video and you know, that video ended 0:31:13.040 --> 0:31:16.520 up performing better than anything I had ever done, and 0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.760 I just kind of was like, damn, Like it was 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.040 the opposite of what I expected, you know, I was. 0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:23.640 I was kind of surprised people were even interested. And 0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:25.240 from there I just kept going. You know, I started 0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:27.640 doing videos on all kinds of different topics. You know, 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:29.360 I did a video on Frank Ocean and how he 0:31:29.440 --> 0:31:32.920 kind of finessed the record label for twenty million dollars 0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.120 sort of when he did his album to get out 0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:38.040 of his deal with def Jam. You know, I did 0:31:38.040 --> 0:31:40.200 a story about how jay Z and R Kelly had beef. 0:31:40.960 --> 0:31:43.040 I did a breakdown of like R Kelly's whole case. 0:31:43.440 --> 0:31:45.080 You know, I did a breakdown of the situation with 0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.360 Young Thug and Lil Wayne having a beef, and it 0:31:47.480 --> 0:31:49.320 just slowly, like I was just doing the stuff that 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:51.440 I was interested in, stuff that was in the news 0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:52.640 at the time, and. 0:31:52.560 --> 0:31:54.720 It just slowly, slowly started building up. 0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:57.160 And you know, the like I said, I think it 0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.800 was that Frank Ocean video about how he kind of 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:02.760 ba That was the first thing I got that got 0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:05.120 like a million views, And to be honest, that was 0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:08.000 just you know that that was really mind blowing to me. 0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:10.760 Like I'd never even I would have never thought I 0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.400 could get through a video with a million views. You know, 0:32:12.440 --> 0:32:14.400 everything I'd done up until that point, we're talking like 0:32:14.640 --> 0:32:18.480 fifty hundred views maybe, So that was like, you know, 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:19.800 that was very eye opening for me. 0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.719 But that's the story of how it kind of came 0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:21.920 to be. 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:25.160 And so they reward of the million views said hey, 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.400 let's stick here. I mean, because I'm in content, I 0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:30.840 know what it's like when everybody's posting me and all 0:32:30.880 --> 0:32:35.080 this shit's going crazy, my phone's going like it sends 0:32:35.080 --> 0:32:37.600 off shit in your ear. It's like a reward man 0:32:37.640 --> 0:32:40.200 this shit is, it's amore. I can only imagine what 0:32:40.320 --> 0:32:42.320 rappers feel like when they go on the stage and 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:46.080 everybody's screaming and hollering, and it's just like, that's why 0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:48.440 they chase it. That's why you see them at some 0:32:48.520 --> 0:32:51.479 point starting to make bad decisions because I want that feeling, 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:55.280 bag man, you know, And us as content creators, we 0:32:55.320 --> 0:32:58.680 gotta be careful that we're not somewhat chasing that same 0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:04.880 that say ghosts and trying to sensationalize some of these things. 0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:07.800 When did you when did you find your Would you 0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.320 say you're you are infatuated with King Vaughn. 0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:16.000 I'll be honest, I would, and I think a lot 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:16.640 of people are. 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:17.000 You know. 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:20.280 I think King von is an artist that captivated a 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:23.160 lot of people, you know, when Von was alive, you know, 0:33:23.200 --> 0:33:26.000 and he was really on the run of his success, 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.440 you know, releasing his mixtapes back to back, quickly becoming 0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:31.520 one of the biggest artists in the game. I think 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.400 a lot of people became obsessed with Vonn because he 0:33:33.440 --> 0:33:35.360 was a great artist and he had a fascinating story. 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:37.479 And I probably would say that I'm I don't think 0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.640 I've obsessed with him in a sort of twisted, creepy, 0:33:39.760 --> 0:33:42.800 uh you know, King Von tattoo on my on my 0:33:42.840 --> 0:33:45.240 face kind of way. But he was definitely one of 0:33:45.280 --> 0:33:48.120 my favorite artists. He was somebody that his backstory was 0:33:48.240 --> 0:33:49.760 just insane to me. 0:33:49.800 --> 0:33:50.000 You know. 0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:53.080 He had so many lyrics saying I've I've got seven bodies, 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.280 I'm about to catch another one. You know, I was 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.080 listening to this guy and he was so good at rapping, 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.480 and I was just listening to these lyrics, thinking how 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:01.480 can this be? Like, this can't be true. This guy 0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:03.720 is so cold on the mic. He's saying he's killed 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:06.640 all the ops. He's saying he's killed seven people, and 0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:08.000 he's got charting on Billboard? 0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:10.680 Like, how is this? How is this possible? And I 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:11.239 probably did. 0:34:11.280 --> 0:34:13.400 I probably did get a little bit obsessed with with 0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:15.399 his music and his story, to be honest. 0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:20.160 Yeah, And would you say obsession is not healthy? 0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:21.759 Probably not no. 0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:23.880 And you know what I would say that in general, 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.719 I think, you know, I don't want to I don't wanna. 0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:29.360 I mean, look, I can throw my hands up and 0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:32.759 say I think I think I probably even before I 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:34.400 made the video, I think I was obsessed with King 0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:35.920 Von's music because there was a time when all I 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:37.680 wanted to listen to was Von. I didn't want to 0:34:37.680 --> 0:34:40.320 listen to nobody else because Vonn was the realist, the rawst, 0:34:40.560 --> 0:34:43.959 the coldest rapper, had the best beats. All I wanted 0:34:43.960 --> 0:34:46.759 to listen to was von And that was probably before 0:34:46.760 --> 0:34:48.719 i'd even done a video about him, you know, back 0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:50.439 in twenty twenty, because I did. For bear in mind, 0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:52.480 I did three videos on Vaughn while he was alive, 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.520 and you know, at the time, you know, that's a 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:58.000 whole other story, but like that was a time when 0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:00.959 I think von was really the trending topic and hip hop. 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:01.879 He was the guy. 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:05.759 Now, so let's let's let's let's go back a little bit. 0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:10.600 So all right, King, So you're saying that you do 0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:14.040 you would say that you have some sort of obsession 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.960 with King Von. Now when when you went to reporting 0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:23.600 on King Vaughn, do you think your obsession the obsession 0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:26.000 of the Because to me, what I'm hearing from you 0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:28.960 right from my side, because I've been involved in everything 0:35:29.000 --> 0:35:31.920 this culture has to offer, from from the dope game 0:35:32.239 --> 0:35:35.120 to the criminal shit, to the jail to the month. 0:35:35.200 --> 0:35:39.319 Whatever this culture has, I've I've endured it, right so 0:35:39.400 --> 0:35:42.240 when I'm speaking to you, I don't hear hip hop. 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:46.080 I hear you obsessed with our criminal with the criminal 0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:50.040 aspect of the culture. It's almost like that's what draws 0:35:50.080 --> 0:35:52.440 you in. Have you ever been in a fight, have 0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.240 you had fights and stab beings? Have you shot somebody 0:35:55.360 --> 0:35:57.920 or been shot at? Or do you know any of 0:35:57.960 --> 0:35:58.720 that kind of stuff? 0:36:00.520 --> 0:36:03.080 Uh, okay, let me just I'll answer all those questions. 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.120 I would say, you know, I would disagree that I'm 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.080 obsessed with the criminality side of it. You know, I 0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.520 think the thing that got me interested in VONN to 0:36:09.520 --> 0:36:11.560 begin with was the music. You know, it's always the music. 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:13.480 I don't you know, I don't. I don't go looking 0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:16.640 for just like random shootings and then like hope that 0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:17.719 somebody is a rapper. 0:36:17.719 --> 0:36:22.440 Hold up trap. You said that the lyric that stuck 0:36:22.440 --> 0:36:24.520 out to you from jay Z was that he shot 0:36:24.520 --> 0:36:27.840 his brother. That's the That's literally one of the first 0:36:27.880 --> 0:36:30.200 things you said that stuck out to you while he 0:36:30.280 --> 0:36:33.760 shot his brother. That that's I'm telling you. I'm a listener, 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.239 so I'm not someone that is just gonna say these 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:39.640 things as I got your moment, I'm not into that, right. 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:42.800 We having conversation. I'm literally listening to what you're saying. 0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.560 So you said, hey, Yo, the jay Z thing, right, 0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:48.560 jay Z man, he was such a lyrical guy. But 0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.160 what really got me he had to shoot his brother 0:36:51.840 --> 0:36:52.759 and I got to thank you. 0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.800 But what I would say is that I am obsessed 0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:57.120 with jay Z. But I was already a fan of 0:36:57.160 --> 0:36:59.120 jay Z for years before I made that video and 0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.080 before I you know, covered that story. But like I've 0:37:02.080 --> 0:37:03.400 covered a lot of jay Z stories, you know, I 0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.399 bear in mind, I've got a video about how jay 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:07.640 Z cut his deals in his you know, his alcohol 0:37:07.680 --> 0:37:10.600 businesses to become a billionaire. Like I'm also obsessed with 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:12.680 jay Z. I'm probably as obsessed with jay Z as 0:37:12.680 --> 0:37:14.759 I am with this. I think jay Z. 0:37:14.800 --> 0:37:19.120 How different rapping wise, it's King Ron from jay Z 0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.040 because if you like King, if you like jay Z style, 0:37:22.520 --> 0:37:25.120 him and King Vaughan are day and night. So the 0:37:25.200 --> 0:37:28.520 only thing they have in coming is rapping about the 0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.040 criminal elements in a way that's. 0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.560 Believable that that's not. I don't know if that's true, 0:37:34.560 --> 0:37:37.520 because I think I'm down. 0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:39.680 Though I'm down, I think because I think as well, 0:37:39.680 --> 0:37:41.440 it's sort of like I think you're picking a specific 0:37:41.440 --> 0:37:43.640 point to focus on, and I understand because that's the 0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:45.800 that's the topic and the theme we're on. But I think, 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:47.440 you know, I think when you look at if we 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.440 were going to do a comparison of jay Z and 0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.680 King Von as artists, I mean, that'd be really bear 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.480 in mind, Like you can tell, I'm obsessed, Like I 0:37:53.480 --> 0:37:55.880 love this ship, Like that's so interesting, like because I 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:58.960 think when it comes to jay Z, look as far 0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.239 as as far as I know, Okay, jay Z has 0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:03.880 never killed anybody, right, The story is he shot his 0:38:03.920 --> 0:38:06.360 brother at age twelve. His brother was apparently, you know, 0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.360 on a lot of drugs, causing problems for the family, 0:38:08.440 --> 0:38:11.799 stealing he was the story of jay Z shooting his 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.600 brother when he was twelve was a really interesting story 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:18.120 of this young dude who essentially had to boss up 0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:21.640 at twelve and become the defender of his family, which 0:38:21.680 --> 0:38:23.399 is a which is a crazy story which I guess 0:38:23.440 --> 0:38:26.080 in a way does bear similarities to King Von because 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:28.440 I think the situation with King Von is, you know, 0:38:28.520 --> 0:38:31.399 especially at the early stages when we can get into 0:38:31.400 --> 0:38:33.680 this as a separate debate, but like you know, if 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.640 you believe that King Von did kill people, as he 0:38:35.680 --> 0:38:37.520 said in his lyrics and his tweets. You know, I 0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:41.480 think when that begun, that was a kill to survive situation. 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.120 I think Vaughn was defending himself, he was defending his life, 0:38:44.280 --> 0:38:46.640 he was defending his family's life. And I suppose that's 0:38:46.960 --> 0:38:49.600 that's what jay Z was doing in that situation where. 0:38:49.440 --> 0:38:51.960 He's a circumstance. Now, our culture, this is what I'm 0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.640 trying to tell you. This ain't music. This is an 0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:58.080 element of our culture that involves at a lot of 0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:02.440 times a criminals, it right, and we just so happened 0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:04.560 to be some of us so happened to be so dope. 0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.880 We can rap about it, you know. But that particular 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.280 part of it seems to what draws you in, because 0:39:10.520 --> 0:39:13.480 the way jay Z raps is nothing like the way 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.680 King Vaughn raps. Yet you are obsessed with both of them. 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.120 Go ahead, let me tell you. 0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:20.439 Let me tell you why, because I bear in mind 0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:22.440 this is subject this is really interesting. 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:23.080 I love I love this. 0:39:23.320 --> 0:39:25.520 So I think what's really interesting, and I kind of 0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:27.319 touched on this in my video, is that you're right, 0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:29.640 you've got these two guys, jay Z and King vonon 0:39:29.680 --> 0:39:32.080 that Essentially, they both grew up in really difficult environments. 0:39:32.080 --> 0:39:34.239 You've got the Massy projects in New York, You've got 0:39:34.239 --> 0:39:37.120 O Block in Chicago, Parkway gardens. Right, they were both 0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.440 in these situations where they essentially had to fight for 0:39:39.480 --> 0:39:42.400 their survival, and at some point in both their lives 0:39:42.719 --> 0:39:46.120 they realized and they decided, you know what, instead of 0:39:46.360 --> 0:39:49.120 this life of crime, at least in jay Z's case, 0:39:49.160 --> 0:39:50.720 you know, his thing was he was a drug dealer. 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.400 A lot of his early raps reasonable doubt dead presidents. 0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:56.239 It's kind of drug dealer, mafioso rap. You know, drill 0:39:56.360 --> 0:39:57.879 music hadn't even been invented yet. 0:39:57.960 --> 0:39:58.120 Right. 0:39:58.480 --> 0:40:00.640 But the reason I look at to jay Z so 0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:02.280 much and I would, you know, I'd say I'm obsessed 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:06.080 with him because he made a change and he said, 0:40:06.080 --> 0:40:08.120 I'm going to get out of the streets. I'm going 0:40:08.160 --> 0:40:10.480 to become a rapper, I'm going to get into the industry, 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.440 and I'm going to kind of become this businessman. And 0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.279 he got the hell away from all of that kind 0:40:15.320 --> 0:40:17.800 of the drug dealing in the streets. He made himself 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.759 a success through his music and became a millionaire. And 0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:22.440 I think what's really interesting is like when you can 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:24.719 trust that with King Von and I think we'll get 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:26.759 into this, but this is why I find King Von 0:40:27.400 --> 0:40:30.480 as you know it. Just to be completely honest, I 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.120 don't think King Voon is necessarily someone to look up to, 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:35.640 because I think that you've got someone like jay Z 0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:38.320 where he beat the odds and he broke the cycle 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:40.960 and he got out of that situation, became a millionaire 0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:44.600 focused on his business, built billion dollar businesses, became very corporate, 0:40:44.680 --> 0:40:46.359 Whereas I think if you can trust that with Vaughn, 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:49.239 Vaughn got out of the streets, became a millionaire. But 0:40:49.320 --> 0:40:51.520 it would seem based on the research that I did, 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:55.960 that Vaughn simply was more interested in the beef. He 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:57.600 wanted to keep funding the street war. 0:40:57.680 --> 0:41:00.319 He wanted to arrange it. That's the way with. 0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:04.160 You, because from outside of our culture, you cannot speak 0:41:04.200 --> 0:41:08.239 to what he was interested in. You see, sometimes I 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.279 want you to know this brother from from from loan right, 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:13.400 and we're debating, so I want you to say whatever 0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:15.759 you want to say so we can have a conversation 0:41:15.880 --> 0:41:19.839 in an open and an open way. But I'm telling you, 0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.279 King Vaughn want't as rich as probably you think he 0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.480 was to be able to get out of that situation. 0:41:26.200 --> 0:41:29.600 The rappers. What I don't think you've picked up along 0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.400 all your research of hip hop in our culture is 0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.759 that most rap shit in the culture they con men. 0:41:36.800 --> 0:41:41.000 They playing con man, they confidence man, right, whatever, they 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:43.520 they just gotta sell it. They gotta be able to 0:41:43.560 --> 0:41:46.479 sell it to the consumer. I don't I don't think 0:41:46.520 --> 0:41:51.480 that somebody like King Vaughn jay Z, I don't think 0:41:51.520 --> 0:41:55.200 that the same. I believe that, again, the only thing 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:58.719 that they have in common is the criminal element that 0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:01.080 they both had to face, because our culture provides that 0:42:01.239 --> 0:42:04.200 to us. Even rapping. Just think about the rap style 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:08.160 totally different. Think about the beat selection totally different. Think 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:11.880 about where they come totally different, the accent totally different. 0:42:12.120 --> 0:42:14.680 Jay Z, like you said, was it he as soon 0:42:14.719 --> 0:42:17.319 as he had an opportunity because he was old when 0:42:17.320 --> 0:42:19.440 he got his money. He was twenty eight when he 0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:21.960 got his deal or something, so he was already an 0:42:22.080 --> 0:42:26.240 established man. King Vaughan is a young man that's still 0:42:26.360 --> 0:42:28.919 kind of hooked to this shit that they gonna start 0:42:28.960 --> 0:42:32.680 calling shyreck. This shit is a mess up here, homie. 0:42:33.120 --> 0:42:36.880 This shit is something you can't just check out of this. 0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.240 This ain't That's what I'm saying. This ain't. You don't 0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:42.200 just turn this game off. This ain't something King Vaughan 0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.800 just can walk away from, right. He don't got the money, 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.240 Dirk Hat. In my opinion, he don't have the money, 0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:50.560 Dirk Hat. And I know because I know what he 0:42:50.640 --> 0:42:53.239 takes to get from that. The resources he would have 0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:57.000 needed to get from that place, I don't think he 0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.120 had yet. But let's not move too far into that. 0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:06.800 Let's go back to what is the the the parallel 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.880 things between King Vaughan and jay Z that draws trap 0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:14.040 Lord Ross to being somewhat obsessed with both of those guys. 0:43:14.120 --> 0:43:17.600 Outside of if it's the criminal element, I need you 0:43:17.719 --> 0:43:22.359 to acknowledge that and understand that, oh shit, oh shit, 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:25.680 it ain't the hip hop, it ain't really the music. Shit, 0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:29.319 I'm starting to glorify culture that I don't participate in. 0:43:29.920 --> 0:43:32.360 Because if you are breaking the deals down, if you 0:43:32.400 --> 0:43:36.399 are breaking you know, Joe Budden broke up, you are 0:43:36.600 --> 0:43:40.200 are freak ocean twenty million dollar finago or jay Zon 0:43:40.280 --> 0:43:43.000 even shot his brother like that's even something this But 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:46.160 when do you get to this place? You see what 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.680 I'm saying but let's focus on Jay Z and King Von. 0:43:49.719 --> 0:43:52.440 I'm so obsessed with that conversation. Let's stay there for 0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:53.120 just a second. 0:43:54.680 --> 0:43:56.160 Look, I'll be honest, I just I do kind of 0:43:56.160 --> 0:43:58.280 disagree with what you just said because I think, firstly, 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:01.000 King Von, I personally think Kingvon did have the money. 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:04.240 He bought his mother a house outside of the city. 0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:05.799 And bear in mind, I feel like everything you just 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:08.920 said that King Von, he couldn't have possibly got away. 0:44:08.960 --> 0:44:10.080 How comes Chief Keith. 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:13.400 Got real hits man and he was rich a long time. 0:44:14.280 --> 0:44:18.480 You ain't give give him the time. These hits nowadays 0:44:18.520 --> 0:44:22.719 need time to stream wheel. They need time, bro, You 0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:25.400 know they need time. This ship, this ship for it 0:44:25.480 --> 0:44:28.080 to get a lot of streams. It's shit. It needs 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:30.239 time for these guys to get this money and see 0:44:30.280 --> 0:44:34.480 this money. King Von wasn't in that situation, bro, Chief Keith. 0:44:34.800 --> 0:44:36.719 Even if you look at Chief Keith and King Von, 0:44:36.840 --> 0:44:39.800 financially we're talking. Chief Keith got on when Kanye West 0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:43.879 was rolling through really active in music. That's a long time. 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:45.680 But naw, that's this. 0:44:45.800 --> 0:44:48.680 And Vaughan stayed independent and he tweeted that he was 0:44:48.719 --> 0:44:52.080 turning down multiple at tweeting he could have taken a 0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:55.279 multi million dollar deals anytime. And Chief Keith signed a 0:44:55.280 --> 0:44:56.000 bad label deal. 0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:57.920 So Chief Keith was kind of down on that. King 0:44:58.000 --> 0:45:01.439 Von was That's not true. Chief Keif had hits. He's 0:45:01.440 --> 0:45:03.799 been a part of producing. He's been a part of 0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:06.520 too much, Bro, He's been a part of too much. 0:45:06.640 --> 0:45:08.440 King Vaughn didn't even get a chance to get all 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:11.000 his features going. He didn't get a chance to really 0:45:11.000 --> 0:45:13.439 get his feet under him. Bro. I ain't talking about 0:45:13.440 --> 0:45:16.200 the little features like with rapp Niggas I just run 0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:18.920 into on tour. I'm talking about he didn't get a 0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:22.360 chance to really plan, to really really really get a 0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:25.640 good run at the music. Him and Chief Keith financially. 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:29.640 That's not a good conversation, Dirk and Chief Keith. Dirk 0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:32.720 smothering Keith. But as far as King vaugh he didn't 0:45:32.719 --> 0:45:35.000 have enough money to run away and just check out 0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.759 the game. He didn't have that kind of money. And 0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.160 you're talking to me about tweets and it's almost disrespectful. 0:45:41.200 --> 0:45:43.680 But I'm a content creator, so I know I gotta 0:45:43.760 --> 0:45:47.040 deal with this, right. It's cool. I accept it, But Bro, 0:45:47.239 --> 0:45:50.200 I'm telling you from experience, I had to come out 0:45:50.239 --> 0:45:53.680 the trenches, my nigga, I come out of this. These 0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:55.840 niggas don't have the money you think they have. And 0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:59.279 I'm the nigga they used to come borrow from. They 0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:03.359 don't have what you think they have. Brother, they con men. 0:46:04.040 --> 0:46:06.080 That's what you ain't for you to have studied. I 0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:09.240 coach all this time and not No rappers are lying 0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:12.839 on the mic or not know that. Rappers are tweeting bullshit. 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.080 A lot of them don't know they business. A lot 0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.799 of them in bad deals. These rap dudes are not 0:46:19.080 --> 0:46:21.919 what they portray to be. But I understand it. When 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:24.160 you that far away, you have no clue. 0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:26.960 See you're saying Vaughn and jay Z, it's a. 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.880 Cap No jay Z, no what you mean. It's not 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:32.880 all kept. I'm saying the amount of money that Vaughn 0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.240 needed to be in a situation to check out the game, 0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.120 a game that has been a game that's been developed 0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.520 in a city in America, one of the most one 0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:46.160 of the power the powerful country in the world called 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:50.279 Shyreck because it resembles war, young men being killed. For 0:46:50.360 --> 0:46:52.880 him to check out of that game. For him to 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:54.840 check out of that game, he need a certain amount 0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:59.040 of money. My brother how much. I don't know. It 0:46:59.040 --> 0:47:01.520 depends on his fan It depends on how many kids 0:47:01.560 --> 0:47:03.600 he got, you know what I'm saying. Then it depends 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.080 on his information, what information he got, because maybe he 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.160 had enough money for a nigga with some information, but 0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:12.840 a young nigga with no information might need a twenty 0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.680 million dollar play to feel like I can really leave 0:47:15.760 --> 0:47:18.680 from around here because he don't know no better. And 0:47:18.800 --> 0:47:21.839 dude did. Trust what I'm telling you, Dude didn't get 0:47:22.000 --> 0:47:25.040 enough leg room. Man, he didn't get to live with 0:47:25.160 --> 0:47:28.040 those hits long enough to really get to see the 0:47:28.120 --> 0:47:31.120 money that you probably thinking he had, and turning down 0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.239 a multimillion dollar deal says none to loan, because it's 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:37.640 about the terms, not the money. Any time you get 0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.720 into this business, you learned that it's never about the money. 0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:43.600 It's always about the terms. So they may gave him 0:47:43.640 --> 0:47:46.440 a multimillion dollar deal to own all this shit and 0:47:46.480 --> 0:47:49.920 he's like, no, that don't make sense right, So again, 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:51.160 that's that's my opinion. 0:47:52.000 --> 0:47:54.840 He I mean, listen, he allegedly had a hundred thousand 0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.839 dollars to spend on getting his enemies assassinated. 0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:01.120 You think that's the money listen, if he's got. 0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:03.240 The money to arrange hits after he's already a millionaire, 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.040 I feel like he has the money. 0:48:05.160 --> 0:48:06.479 Let me play, Let me play. 0:48:07.000 --> 0:48:09.239 Let me playing talking about We're just talking about Von 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:11.920 though I'm not trying to make a blanket staate no community. 0:48:12.040 --> 0:48:14.120 Yeah, let me let me, let me play. Let me 0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.359 play into what you're saying as if I'm King Von. 0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:18.920 And of course this is alleged. I don't believe this 0:48:18.960 --> 0:48:21.480 stuff to be true. Anytime I'm speaking to a white man. 0:48:22.440 --> 0:48:27.400 Anytime I'm speaking to a white man, ain't nobody killed nobody. 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.719 Nobody ever killed nobody. When I'm speaking to a white man, 0:48:32.320 --> 0:48:34.920 you hit me, so we get answer that. But I 0:48:35.000 --> 0:48:37.719 want you to know about the King Vaughn thing. I'm 0:48:38.000 --> 0:48:40.160 let me play into what you're saying, that he spent 0:48:40.200 --> 0:48:44.239 the honey k. That ain't no money, family, nigga a 0:48:44.320 --> 0:48:47.680 honey k for me if if I got to knock 0:48:47.680 --> 0:48:52.000 a few people off to feel safe around here, because see, 0:48:52.040 --> 0:48:54.520 that's that's the thing that I think, again, you're not 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.800 paying attention to right once they mark me. It's almost 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:00.360 like in one of these video games, they got a 0:49:00.360 --> 0:49:02.840 boundary on me. If I could take care of somebody 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:04.640 that got the boundary on me. They might send a 0:49:04.680 --> 0:49:07.560 message to calm everything down. So some of what I 0:49:07.640 --> 0:49:10.120 do may be out of safety. But I don't even 0:49:10.160 --> 0:49:13.360 believe half of the shit that's been reported to the internet. 0:49:13.760 --> 0:49:17.280 I don't believe that. I don't believe. So you can't 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:20.080 we can move on because you can't answer that. I can, 0:49:21.120 --> 0:49:25.040 But you can't answer to what what similarities to Jay 0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:26.360 Z and King Vaughan Ham. 0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:29.360 I answered that already they both came out of difficult environments. 0:49:29.760 --> 0:49:32.080 So it is the criminal it ain't the rapid No, no, no. 0:49:32.280 --> 0:49:34.000 I didn't say anything about criminality here. I said they 0:49:34.040 --> 0:49:35.280 came out difficult environments. 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:39.480 Difficulty causes you to be in criminal activity. 0:49:39.920 --> 0:49:40.560 I didn't say that. 0:49:40.600 --> 0:49:43.040 I'm saying that because I grew up in difficulty. That's 0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:45.160 why I want you to you're talking to a member. 0:49:45.320 --> 0:49:47.600 You're not talking to a content guy. You talk I'm 0:49:47.600 --> 0:49:50.480 a member. So I'm telling you if I grew up 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:54.520 in difficulty, I got to deal with criminal activity to 0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.200 get out of difficulty. That's part of what I have 0:49:58.320 --> 0:50:01.880 to do. So those two and did that. What about 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.360 the music do they have in common that draws you 0:50:05.440 --> 0:50:09.319 to like those two individuals, seeing that you cited jay 0:50:09.440 --> 0:50:11.640 Z shot his brother at twelve, that was one of 0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:15.919 your first stories. And King Vaughan Beef and his shit 0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:19.160 is you've been attached to that for a while. Help 0:50:19.239 --> 0:50:20.800 me understand the similarities. 0:50:21.480 --> 0:50:23.160 Well, that's the thing I think I did kind of 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:24.799 touch on this, but I'll kind of go go out 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:27.080 of again from another angle, which is, you know, the 0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:29.160 thing that really attracted me to to I guess to 0:50:29.280 --> 0:50:32.080 jay Z and a lot of other artists is that we. 0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.160 Can we do them together? Say the can? We can we? 0:50:35.200 --> 0:50:37.880 Because you'll you'll get me over there on this jay Zing. 0:50:38.040 --> 0:50:40.600 They are different, it's different and from a different. 0:50:40.360 --> 0:50:43.640 Era, right, but similarities what draws you to? Right, If 0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:45.840 you like jay Z, see, the more you like it 0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:47.799 is the less you like it. That right, If I'm 0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.719 in love with jay Z music, oh my god, I 0:50:50.800 --> 0:50:53.960 love how jay Z just his style, his flow, his 0:50:54.560 --> 0:50:56.920 like And then the next person that I love is 0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:02.040 King Vaughn is like, all right, what's the similarities there? Music? 0:51:02.120 --> 0:51:04.160 I think I think that's kind of like a foot 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:05.920 of a sort of you're creating like a sort of 0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:08.680 false fallacy because I love King Von and his mu Well. 0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:10.879 I love King Von's music, I love jay Z's music. 0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:13.399 I love Little Yochty, I love Yeat. You know there's 0:51:13.440 --> 0:51:14.960 there's there's future son. 0:51:15.160 --> 0:51:19.360 I like story of Yachty, story, I see stories. 0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:20.040 I got yo Ey. 0:51:20.160 --> 0:51:22.040 Okay, Okay, I haven't done Yeat. 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:23.839 I might do Yeat soon. I might eat soon. 0:51:23.920 --> 0:51:26.799 So but but I'm saying, music wise, can we get 0:51:26.840 --> 0:51:30.719 any clear distinguishable what artist? 0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:32.600 I've given my answer, but you're not accepting. 0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:34.719 Okay, Let's move on. Like I said, maybe maybe maybe 0:51:34.719 --> 0:51:36.640 the people say, hey, I got the answer, because I 0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.520 don't hear it. I'm not hearing hip hop when you 0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:41.239 say when it comes from a difficult and you know 0:51:41.320 --> 0:51:42.000 to do it adverse. 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:43.960 Okay, let me let me let me just try to 0:51:43.960 --> 0:51:45.319 add a little bit more to that, because I think 0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:47.279 I think maybe I need to just communicate a little 0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:50.120 bit more context, because I think they both come from 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:51.799 these difficult environments. And if you let me just get 0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.480 if I get to the next stage their music Vonn's 0:51:54.560 --> 0:51:57.719 music and jay Z's music and hell Little Duck's music, 0:51:57.719 --> 0:52:01.080 to these artists that I'm really into. The music gives 0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:03.120 you a window into that environment. I didn't grow up 0:52:03.120 --> 0:52:06.120 in Oblock. I've never been to the Marsi projects. You know, 0:52:06.200 --> 0:52:09.200 maybe one day, who knows. But listening to this music, 0:52:09.280 --> 0:52:11.399 like listening to King Von's music and jay Z's music, 0:52:11.400 --> 0:52:14.040 they're both amazing rappers. Like say what you want about 0:52:14.040 --> 0:52:15.759 what Von did in the streets, but when he got 0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.000 on the mic and he started rapping, he was amazing. 0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:22.480 He told amazing stories, vivid, deep storytelling, which you could 0:52:22.480 --> 0:52:24.440 definitely say the same thing about jay Z. And they 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.759 would build a picture. There's old jay Z songs and 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.080 there's King Von songs. You put on the headphones, you 0:52:29.120 --> 0:52:32.200 shut your eyes, and you listen to that description of 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:33.880 roaches on the walls. 0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:34.719 You know what I'm saying. 0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:38.640 People I don't know, people fighting outside outside the front 0:52:38.680 --> 0:52:40.840 door in Marci or whatever. And he paints a picture 0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.239 and you look, I haven't been there. I can't say 0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:44.520 I know what it's like. But I would listen to 0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:46.560 jay Z's songs and King Von songs and it gives 0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:48.960 me a window, like an insight into this lifestyle that 0:52:48.960 --> 0:52:52.080 these guys are living. And it's those stories, those pieces 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.239 of art that they've made, which is a talent, a 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:57.200 skill like Von was a talented artist. He was able 0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:59.200 to paint a picture of O Block so that someone 0:52:59.320 --> 0:53:01.919 like me that never have been there would maybe get, 0:53:01.960 --> 0:53:05.480 you know, a small percentage of understanding of what it's like, 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.319 like what he went through and his story, and both 0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:10.640 jay Z and King Von through I think painting these 0:53:10.680 --> 0:53:14.000 pictures of the experiences that they had been through. That 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:17.160 talent was rewarded by the music industry and they both 0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:20.520 became very successful. Now we disagree on how successful Von became, 0:53:20.680 --> 0:53:22.719 and you know that's that's fine, But I think that's 0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:24.640 the thing I just want to communicate is it's the 0:53:24.719 --> 0:53:27.919 storytelling and the artistry that I think puts them together. 0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:30.840 Because let's be real, like, no disrespect to anybody, but 0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.880 the artistry of say a King Von and a Rondo 0:53:34.000 --> 0:53:36.400 number nine, it's on a different level. The way King 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:40.160 Von told the story and painted a picture is above damn, 0:53:40.160 --> 0:53:43.960 near ninety five percent of Chicago rappers. Full sty was 0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:45.400 a legend because of how good it are. 0:53:45.719 --> 0:53:47.799 So I know, I know some people are gonna say, Lord, 0:53:47.880 --> 0:53:50.439 his hip hop card has to be revoked. At this point, 0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:54.400 he's comparing jay Z music to King Vaughn's music. This 0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:56.879 is what I mean can you tell me any similarities 0:53:56.920 --> 0:54:00.440 between drill music and drug dealer music? Like the this 0:54:00.480 --> 0:54:03.200 is not a comparison, bro in my opinion, And I'm 0:54:03.200 --> 0:54:05.600 saying from I'm a hip hop baby, so I gotta 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.080 I gotta put my side out, like that's your side. 0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:12.239 You feel as though some some some storytelling that King 0:54:12.320 --> 0:54:16.439 Vaughan is doing, you know, aligns with what jay Z did. 0:54:16.480 --> 0:54:19.160 When I say jay Z did drug dealer rap, he 0:54:19.280 --> 0:54:21.960 did struggle drug dealer rap, and King Vaughn is doing 0:54:22.040 --> 0:54:23.719 drill music, I don't see anything. 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:26.600 But that's a struggle drills. You know, the drill music 0:54:26.640 --> 0:54:29.600 is about struggle in my drill music. Drill music developed 0:54:29.640 --> 0:54:32.400 over like you know, ten fifteen years after the kind 0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:34.640 of mafiosa rap because you've got someone like jay Z, right, 0:54:35.000 --> 0:54:37.960 jay Z's music influenced a new generation of people. Like 0:54:38.040 --> 0:54:40.200 let's say, I don't know Rick Ross, who you know. 0:54:40.239 --> 0:54:43.280 I know you're saying a lot of rappers a phony, gonna. 0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:45.879 Say their phony. I say they exaggerate their con men, 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:48.239 not phony. They just exaggerate. 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.080 But Rick Ross is probably a perfect example of that. 0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:52.960 As they say he was a corrections officer, but then 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:55.520 he's on the Mic talking about he's selling hundred kilos 0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.359 of coke. Right, so he's a good example of that, 0:54:57.600 --> 0:55:00.920 whereas I think jay Z's more authentic. But regardless, you 0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:03.120 got someone like jay Z and that that form of 0:55:03.239 --> 0:55:06.319 like mafiosa gangster rap is sort of evolving. And then 0:55:06.320 --> 0:55:07.920 you have people like Rick Ross emerging. 0:55:08.000 --> 0:55:11.319 But that involved to Rick Ross. That didn't involve in 0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:15.200 the King Vaughn. What King Vaughn was the evolvement of 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:19.239 a Chief Keef. Yeah, right, So this is what I'm 0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:21.560 bear in mind. These are not King Keith. Hip Hop 0:55:21.640 --> 0:55:25.080 has it fruit off trees. Right, there's fruit off and 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:27.600 you say, you study hip hop, so you should know that. 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:29.640 Like when you look at the jay Z thing, you 0:55:29.680 --> 0:55:32.279 see a Ross, you see a Meek, you see this 0:55:32.360 --> 0:55:35.279 is the fruit off of that j tree. What King 0:55:35.400 --> 0:55:39.160 Vaughn landed had nothing to do with that with the 0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:43.120 drug dealer mafioso style rapping shit, right, you know. 0:55:43.360 --> 0:55:45.239 The thing that bridges them together. I would say the 0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.360 thing that bridges those two genres of music together is 0:55:47.400 --> 0:55:50.160 trap music. I'm talking like two thousand and six at Lansa, 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.120 like Gucci Mayne, because the whole trap music here of 0:55:53.160 --> 0:55:56.080 like Gucci Mane, you know what I'm saying, all of 0:55:56.120 --> 0:55:58.759 his different trap music type things, even like Ti the 0:55:58.840 --> 0:56:01.400 sort of like trunk like rubber band Man, that was 0:56:01.400 --> 0:56:03.560 all about drug dealing. But I think over time, this 0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.080 this Atlanta wave of trap where you had like Gucci 0:56:06.120 --> 0:56:08.400 Mane catching a murder case and then he's jumping on 0:56:08.480 --> 0:56:10.839 songs talking about go dig your partner up. I think 0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:13.640 trap music over time became quite violent, but that was 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:16.040 born out of sort of drug dealer rap. Then it 0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:18.279 was you had people like t I, Gucci Mane talking 0:56:18.320 --> 0:56:21.200 about we're trapping in Atlanta at the text, and then that. 0:56:22.040 --> 0:56:25.680 Was a right Gucci man was alone in that trap music. 0:56:25.440 --> 0:56:26.319 Was wrong man? 0:56:26.560 --> 0:56:29.520 Who else was he? Who else was like really disendoran 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:31.960 and he kind of started the wave. He really didn't 0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:34.440 nobody else was really doing that. In the South, you 0:56:34.520 --> 0:56:36.959 had Tip doing drug Dealer Rep. You had Jeezy drug 0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:41.360 Dealer Rep. Ross, drug Dealer Rep. Everybody just was was 0:56:41.440 --> 0:56:44.080 kind of rap or they were dancing. Nobody else was 0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:47.280 doing the this ship did this ship go ahead? 0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:49.160 But well, that's what I'm trying to say is that 0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:51.640 like in my opinion, this is just me, This is 0:56:51.640 --> 0:56:53.440 just I'm just cooking off the top of my head, right, 0:56:54.840 --> 0:56:57.040 fair enough, But it's a good conversation. But I think 0:56:57.280 --> 0:56:58.920 I personally think if I was just gonna give my 0:56:59.000 --> 0:57:01.719 honest opinion, I think was it was trap music that 0:57:01.760 --> 0:57:03.960 came from the kind of gangster rap, mafiosa rap where 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:05.880 you had people like Ti g Z. Then the g 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:09.160 Z Gucci beef escalated into violence, and then I think 0:57:09.200 --> 0:57:12.440 trap music became slightly more violent. But then it was 0:57:12.520 --> 0:57:15.200 like Chief Keif came out, you're talking like twenty ten 0:57:15.239 --> 0:57:18.400 in Chicago, but he was already he was not the 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:20.320 original first person to do drill. Like you had a 0:57:20.320 --> 0:57:22.280 guy in pac Man. Sorry, you had a guy in 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.640 Chicago called pac Man that was creating what was called 0:57:25.680 --> 0:57:28.800 drill music, and that was like heavily Atlanta inspired to 0:57:28.840 --> 0:57:30.680 begin with. Because a lot of these early Chief Keith 0:57:30.680 --> 0:57:33.960 beats they're kind of like they're kind of like really 0:57:34.240 --> 0:57:38.840 sort of hard, sort of like reformulated versions of trap. 0:57:38.960 --> 0:57:42.200 Yeah, because like you gotta tap into the South to 0:57:42.240 --> 0:57:44.120 be effective, right, we got out. 0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:45.920 Of each That's what I mean. That's what I mean. 0:57:46.480 --> 0:57:50.440 You're talking beats, I'm talking about the content. So the content, Yeah, 0:57:50.480 --> 0:57:53.120 when you dealt with the Gucci Man. He stood on 0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.800 a mountain along dissing. He was dising because that beef 0:57:56.840 --> 0:58:01.560 didn't allegedly turn into something. So he was dissing. Nobody 0:58:01.600 --> 0:58:03.440 else was dissing right now. 0:58:03.720 --> 0:58:06.520 But but when this is the thing though, It's like 0:58:06.560 --> 0:58:09.920 when Chief Keith first came out, the music wasn't necessarily 0:58:09.960 --> 0:58:11.800 all about dissing. And this, I think this goes back 0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:13.400 to what I was saying about why Vaughn I think 0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:15.400 is a good artist, because I think the same reason 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:17.560 why Chief Keith was such a good artist when he 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:19.400 came out in like twenty ten, and he's dropping songs 0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:22.320 like three hun A or like I don't like those 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:24.680 those beats, you know, we're talking like young chop beats 0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:26.920 that are kind of they're quite Atlanta focused, but then 0:58:26.960 --> 0:58:29.640 they're sort of like they've got their own completely unique, 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:32.840 original flavor and those songs. Originally, like Chief Keith at 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.640 the start, he was repping his crew, but he was 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.760 never dissing. The whole smoking Tuca thing. That didn't come 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:39.760 until a couple of years later. 0:58:39.840 --> 0:58:43.320 Yeah, But so they were what they were talking about drilling, 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:46.439 like seeing the South again. It was drug dilla raut. 0:58:46.640 --> 0:58:50.080 It was you know, gotta bi Leon twenty folds. Yeah, 0:58:50.360 --> 0:58:53.280 you know, it was dead up there. It was looking 0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:56.800 for them niggas with the heater, with the niggers. It 0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:58.880 was it was like, I'm hunting. I'm not sad, I'm 0:58:58.920 --> 0:59:01.959 with the shit. That's that's you. You talking about beasts. 0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.480 I'm talking about content content. 0:59:04.160 --> 0:59:06.720 Right, But but that But that's the thing. 0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:06.960 I think. 0:59:07.040 --> 0:59:08.960 I'm trying to talk about it holistically, but I think 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:10.240 both things influence each other. 0:59:10.280 --> 0:59:11.280 But I think you're right. 0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:13.520 You know, when Chief Keith was first picking up steam, 0:59:14.120 --> 0:59:17.360 he wasn't drug dealing, he wasn't making money, he wasn't 0:59:17.640 --> 0:59:20.280 they were just they were just sitting around saying that 0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:23.840 they don't like not basically, that's the thing. But he 0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:26.200 was the originator. That's the thing I think it's important 0:59:26.240 --> 0:59:28.440 to remember. I think the Beats were influenced by Atlanta 0:59:28.520 --> 0:59:31.320 and it's sort of like two thousand and six Atlanta era, 0:59:31.440 --> 0:59:34.280 Trap era, that was the biggest thing. Chief Keith kind 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:36.720 of came along. He took elements of that. He put 0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:39.120 his nose spin on it. It's all Chicago, it's all 0:59:39.120 --> 0:59:41.720 about violence because he's growing up in that environment. And 0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:45.320 then over time Chicago. Drill became the biggest thing going, 0:59:45.520 --> 0:59:47.959 and it got more and more violent. But Chief Key's 0:59:48.040 --> 0:59:50.760 earliest songs they're not all about dissing and drilling. A 0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:53.160 lot of it's just sort of about, you know, we're 0:59:53.200 --> 0:59:56.720 on the block, we're smoking, like giving people a what's 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:57.560 the word like a window? 0:59:58.720 --> 1:00:01.920 Growing up, I was hearing like I don't like and 1:00:02.000 --> 1:00:05.000 all of that shit was a bunch of young niggas 1:00:05.040 --> 1:00:07.919 with gods. They had never seen no shit like this. 1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:10.920 This had never nigga. We what a bunch of niggas 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:13.680 with a k's and it's k's and video talking about 1:00:13.720 --> 1:00:16.120 David were looking for them. Niggas bet not come over 1:00:16.160 --> 1:00:19.320 here with that bullshit. That's what that's that's the fruit 1:00:19.360 --> 1:00:22.640 that King Vaughan came up under right, I'm telling you 1:00:22.720 --> 1:00:25.640 that that's something totally different than what was happening in 1:00:25.680 --> 1:00:28.200 the South. We will show you the big cause, we'll 1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:30.360 try to show you the house that ain't ours. The 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:32.920 boot gott it, it ain't ours, the bit lit, it 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:36.360 ain't ours. Somebody nicklaces, that ain't our. We we the 1:00:36.800 --> 1:00:39.400 you know, we're trying to make you bite into it. 1:00:39.720 --> 1:00:43.760 Up there, them young niggas look dirty with them choppers. 1:00:45.160 --> 1:00:46.680 But the thing is, you know, I think all of 1:00:46.720 --> 1:00:49.480 these different eras of hip hop over the years have 1:00:49.560 --> 1:00:52.120 influenced the next. And then even between that, you know, 1:00:52.200 --> 1:00:55.000 between the sort of like trap Atlanta wave and the 1:00:55.080 --> 1:00:57.400 Chicago drill waves. Then you've got people like you know, 1:00:57.680 --> 1:00:59.480 there's been a whole long history of a lot of 1:00:59.560 --> 1:01:02.320 music coming out of like Louisiana, New Orleans. You know, 1:01:02.520 --> 1:01:05.120 the cash Money, Lil Wayne stuff, which that was a 1:01:05.120 --> 1:01:07.080 really interesting era because that was more like the Bling 1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:10.160 era cash money. It was all about showing off diamonds, cars, 1:01:10.200 --> 1:01:12.280 the Bentley's. But then there was also a little bit 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:16.120 of an undertone of violence of you know, this creating 1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:19.840 painting a picture of this environment, the Magnolia projects. 1:01:19.880 --> 1:01:23.280 You know, you all view it as violence from now 1:01:23.760 --> 1:01:26.120 it's culture from the right. 1:01:26.200 --> 1:01:28.640 Sure, no, I agree, but that that's the content of 1:01:28.640 --> 1:01:31.160 the music. And I'm only saying that. I'm only pinpointing 1:01:31.200 --> 1:01:35.120 that violence as to say that came before we had 1:01:35.160 --> 1:01:36.960 someone like Chief Keith. I don't think Chief Keith was 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.520 the first person to ever think I'm gonna hop on 1:01:39.560 --> 1:01:39.800 a song. 1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:40.400 And Sam. 1:01:42.400 --> 1:01:45.880 As in the video, that was the first time this 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:49.760 was ever seen that. Yeah, that changed Chicago. That whole 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:52.840 wave right there changed Chicago. And Vann was under there. 1:01:53.160 --> 1:01:55.720 They come up under the world that that ship was 1:01:55.720 --> 1:01:59.520 creating in down South, there wasn't happening yet. Now it's happening. 1:01:59.800 --> 1:02:01.880 Now our young niggas got there. I'm telling you what 1:02:02.000 --> 1:02:04.960 I know. See you all and that's what I'm saying, bro, 1:02:05.040 --> 1:02:07.040 you and the I'm telling you, I'm a member of this. 1:02:07.200 --> 1:02:09.280 I'm telling you what one hundred percent I know. In 1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:12.960 the South, we was not rocking like that. When nim 1:02:13.000 --> 1:02:15.560 young niggas done that, it turned that young niggas up. 1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:17.080 You know what I'm saying. 1:02:17.320 --> 1:02:19.560 I agree, I agree, and I think something that I 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:22.760 want to say that's really interesting that maybe people mess Look, 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:25.920 you can tell I'm no gang banging dude, But at 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:28.000 the same time, when I moved back to London, I 1:02:28.000 --> 1:02:29.640 didn't have a lot of money. I lived in an 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:32.520 area that was kind of rough, and essentially before my 1:02:32.640 --> 1:02:35.720 YouTube channel really took off and went anywhere, I actually 1:02:35.800 --> 1:02:38.360 became you know, you used the word earlier obsessed. Maybe 1:02:38.400 --> 1:02:40.320 that's the right word, Maybe that's the wrong word. But 1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:43.000 I was living in a in a in a hood. 1:02:43.120 --> 1:02:44.840 Let's say, right, I was living in a in a 1:02:44.880 --> 1:02:47.479 block that was affiliated with a very well known group 1:02:47.480 --> 1:02:51.000 of drill rappers in London called four ten. Right, I 1:02:51.080 --> 1:02:53.720 was living in their area and beginning to learn about 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:55.200 all the music and the stuff that was going on 1:02:55.240 --> 1:02:56.959 in the area, Like these guys have a music video 1:02:57.200 --> 1:02:59.560 that they filmed like in front of my in the 1:02:59.600 --> 1:03:01.959 building that I lived in. Right, So I was sort 1:03:01.960 --> 1:03:05.680 of living in London and experiencing and bear in mind 1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:08.560 all of the London UK drill originally it was heavily 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:11.439 influenced by Chicago drill. So bear in mind we don't 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:13.760 have guns as much in the UK, but we've got 1:03:13.800 --> 1:03:16.800 guys with music videos where they're holding knives and machetes 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:19.560 at the camera. It's the whole gang in Balaclava's putting 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:21.440 all of that stuff into their music. And there were 1:03:21.440 --> 1:03:22.920 a lot of murders in the area that I was 1:03:22.960 --> 1:03:24.800 living in, and you know, I would go and sort 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:26.560 of see the crime scene and then go and hear 1:03:26.600 --> 1:03:29.120 about the song that was talking about the murder that 1:03:29.120 --> 1:03:30.960 had happened in my area in London. But a lot 1:03:31.000 --> 1:03:33.640 of that stuff was influenced by Chicago. And what I'm 1:03:33.640 --> 1:03:35.000 trying to say, is that I actually agree with what 1:03:35.040 --> 1:03:37.160 you're saying. I'm not saying I was involved, but I 1:03:37.280 --> 1:03:38.960 when I moved back to London, I was living in 1:03:39.000 --> 1:03:42.640 an area where this kind of waste taking influence and 1:03:42.880 --> 1:03:45.560 that was something that to me that was like, it 1:03:45.640 --> 1:03:48.760 was very interesting, it was very It really made me 1:03:48.880 --> 1:03:52.440 reflect on the influence of Chicago drill because if you 1:03:52.440 --> 1:03:54.960 don't know too much about the UK drill scene, it's 1:03:55.080 --> 1:03:57.440 so heavily influenced by Chicago. And you've got a lot 1:03:57.440 --> 1:03:59.560 of these young guys in the UK in London running 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.760 around with ives, trying to do the Chicago thing. They 1:04:02.760 --> 1:04:05.480 want to get known for sling narrow well at least. 1:04:05.360 --> 1:04:08.120 For over here. Again, see, I have respect for culture, 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:10.520 so I can't say why they doing it. But over 1:04:10.560 --> 1:04:12.840 here I know that it's a fight to get out 1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:15.640 this ship. So if it if they think that, I 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:18.360 get turned up. If I'm a real one, if that's 1:04:18.400 --> 1:04:21.120 what gets me turned up, is that I stick by 1:04:21.160 --> 1:04:23.479 what I say, then they gonna do that, you see, 1:04:23.560 --> 1:04:26.760 And and they they lost in that. Right, Let's talk 1:04:26.800 --> 1:04:31.240 about because we'll move on from the Jay z And 1:04:31.240 --> 1:04:35.360 and King Vaughn thing. Let's speak about when you got 1:04:35.400 --> 1:04:39.600 to a place to make the King Von documentary. What 1:04:39.760 --> 1:04:43.120 made you name King Von a serial killer? 1:04:44.840 --> 1:04:45.160 Yeah? 1:04:45.160 --> 1:04:48.720 So I I had covered King Von when he was 1:04:48.720 --> 1:04:51.280 still alive. So I did three videos about Von and 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:53.120 in one of those videos, you know, I mentioned the 1:04:53.120 --> 1:04:57.120 whole situation with k I where you know, he had 1:04:57.320 --> 1:04:59.920 had years of history beefing with this girl on Twitter, 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:01.640 you know, saying that he wanted to kill her, saying 1:05:01.640 --> 1:05:03.000 that he was trying to catch her, saying that he'd 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:04.520 beaten her up. You know, whether or not you want 1:05:04.520 --> 1:05:06.200 to believe the stuff that said on Twitter is real, 1:05:06.360 --> 1:05:08.280 you know. A and he made a documentary about King 1:05:08.360 --> 1:05:10.360 Vaughn and Ki, and you know he was in the 1:05:10.360 --> 1:05:14.240 documentary talking about their beef. And you know, I covered 1:05:14.240 --> 1:05:16.240 that story whilst King Von was still alive. And that 1:05:16.320 --> 1:05:18.760 was actually before the Chicago Clice had come out and 1:05:18.800 --> 1:05:20.360 said that, you know, they believed that he was the 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:24.480 culprit in that case. So I had covered King Von 1:05:24.560 --> 1:05:27.200 and you know it's in my No Jumper interview with 1:05:27.200 --> 1:05:29.280 aout him twenty two. But essentially, you know, this was 1:05:29.280 --> 1:05:31.720 when Vaughn was alive and Vonn and his crew pressed me. 1:05:32.000 --> 1:05:33.680 You know, they got in touch and they were going 1:05:33.680 --> 1:05:36.360 to take my channel down. They did three copyright strikes 1:05:36.600 --> 1:05:39.480 on my channel. They said my videos had songs in 1:05:39.560 --> 1:05:42.360 them Von songs, which they didn't, and they were going 1:05:42.360 --> 1:05:43.640 to take the channel down. And you know, they got 1:05:43.640 --> 1:05:45.320 in touch with me and they basically said to me. 1:05:45.520 --> 1:05:47.640 Was this after the document Hero before, this is the 1:05:47.680 --> 1:05:48.880 earlier stories. 1:05:49.520 --> 1:05:51.680 This is twenty twenty. Yeah, one, Vaughn's alive. Yeah, because 1:05:51.680 --> 1:05:54.880 he was like tweeting around about this stuff. But they 1:05:54.960 --> 1:05:56.720 basically said to me, like, if you go in the 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:59.640 channel dashboard and edit out any of the mentions of 1:05:59.680 --> 1:06:02.560 this girl, well we'll let you have your channel back, basically. 1:06:02.960 --> 1:06:05.640 And I was kind of shook. I was like, okay, 1:06:05.880 --> 1:06:06.320 I'll do it. 1:06:06.360 --> 1:06:06.680 I did it. 1:06:06.720 --> 1:06:08.000 They let me have my chower back. I was like, 1:06:08.000 --> 1:06:10.120 I'm not going to talk on Vaughan again. Ship got 1:06:10.120 --> 1:06:12.760 too real, to be honest. But the weird thing that 1:06:12.800 --> 1:06:14.360 I found is that, you know, as time went on, 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:17.080 I'm not covering Von anymore, but his star continues to rise. 1:06:17.120 --> 1:06:20.880 He gets more and more famous. He's billboard charting, you know, 1:06:20.920 --> 1:06:24.840 he's performing huge venues. He's catching this case with little Dirk, 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.800 and and so time keeps going on and more and 1:06:27.840 --> 1:06:29.920 more Von lyrics are coming out, and like, like we 1:06:29.920 --> 1:06:32.320 said earlier, I would say that I did become obsessed 1:06:32.320 --> 1:06:34.760 with Vaughn as an artist. I became obsessed with his music. 1:06:35.120 --> 1:06:36.600 Anytime Vaughn dropped. 1:06:37.160 --> 1:06:39.760 You know, you say that is you do know that 1:06:39.760 --> 1:06:44.200 it's not healthy. Though upset listen session is not a hill. 1:06:45.560 --> 1:06:46.200 I agree. 1:06:46.360 --> 1:06:48.120 I don't think it's I don't think it's normal to 1:06:48.120 --> 1:06:50.080 make a three and a half of our video anything. 1:06:51.120 --> 1:06:56.640 So I'm a weird you are a gainst You're keeping 1:06:56.680 --> 1:06:57.200 against her. 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:00.760 It's not normal, bro, I'm not I'm not a normal dude. 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.120 So that is what it is. But as time was 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:04.960 going on, you know, I was seeing more and more 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:07.280 Von songs come out. And let's be real, like whether 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:10.120 or not you believe Von did anything or did the 1:07:10.160 --> 1:07:13.760 things he said he was dropping. He dropped like five 1:07:13.880 --> 1:07:16.120 or six songs where he said I have seven bodies. 1:07:16.160 --> 1:07:18.320 You know, there's the I think it's the audio Mac freestyle. 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:20.560 He says, let's talk about bodies. I got several, and 1:07:20.560 --> 1:07:22.280 then in the ad libs he's saying I got seven. 1:07:22.600 --> 1:07:25.000 He's got that other song where he says, let's talk bodies, 1:07:25.000 --> 1:07:28.720 I've got a few three plus four as he say, 1:07:29.480 --> 1:07:33.120 four plus three, three plus two counting his bodies. He's 1:07:33.160 --> 1:07:37.080 got another lyric where he says he's talking about I 1:07:37.080 --> 1:07:39.080 don't want to say the words, but it's a word 1:07:39.080 --> 1:07:41.560 beginning with D that' she used to refer to lesbian women. 1:07:41.720 --> 1:07:44.160 But he's saying, you know, I shoot everybody in the 1:07:44.240 --> 1:07:46.080 N words and the D words in this bitch saying 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:48.800 he shoots women. And over time, because I'd already done 1:07:48.800 --> 1:07:51.640 research into Von's story and got in trouble for it, 1:07:52.080 --> 1:07:54.280 I was kind of thinking, like, I can't believe he 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:58.400 is still out here saying this stuff, saying more stuff, 1:07:59.000 --> 1:08:01.320 and just like you know, I was watching it, thinking, 1:08:01.600 --> 1:08:03.400 any any day now, this guy is going to catch 1:08:03.440 --> 1:08:05.320 the rico and get arrested, surely. And that's just as 1:08:05.360 --> 1:08:09.520 a as a fan, and so I was honestly a 1:08:09.520 --> 1:08:11.640 big fan of Vonn's music. You know, it was it 1:08:11.680 --> 1:08:14.520 was heartbreaking to find out that he died, you know, 1:08:14.520 --> 1:08:15.240 when he passed away. 1:08:15.280 --> 1:08:17.000 That was very man. 1:08:18.120 --> 1:08:23.080 Do you believe everything that rappers rap about? 1:08:23.960 --> 1:08:26.439 I don't believe everything rap that. 1:08:26.479 --> 1:08:32.240 There's some some room for lies, for lack of a 1:08:32.240 --> 1:08:36.240 better term, for exaggeration in reps absolutely. 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:38.080 And you know, we spoke a minute ago about Rick Ross. 1:08:38.120 --> 1:08:40.559 You know, Rick Ross was one of these artists where 1:08:41.160 --> 1:08:43.360 it sort of was an open secret that he was 1:08:43.400 --> 1:08:46.080 embellishing his past. But here's the thing that I think 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:49.439 I find really frustrating about the bad reaction to my 1:08:49.520 --> 1:08:52.760 Von video. When Von was alive, all anyone wanted to 1:08:52.760 --> 1:08:54.439 talk about was Von is the realist? 1:08:54.720 --> 1:08:54.920 Von? 1:08:55.040 --> 1:08:58.080 Really about what he says? Von the realist? Von really 1:08:58.120 --> 1:09:01.560 did this ship. And so for everybody to kind of 1:09:01.560 --> 1:09:04.840 come out now after either analyze his lyrics and say 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:07.320 it's all cap it just to me seems really disingenuous. 1:09:07.840 --> 1:09:09.280 Point. The whole appeal was. 1:09:09.200 --> 1:09:14.120 The right, let me answer that real in comparison, right, 1:09:14.400 --> 1:09:17.120 A lot of the raptures so fake. If he twenty 1:09:17.160 --> 1:09:20.400 percent of if he ten percent of what he was saying, 1:09:21.040 --> 1:09:24.040 he really see that again, it's off. It's it's the 1:09:24.200 --> 1:09:26.840 it's it's the you. You really don't know what you're 1:09:26.840 --> 1:09:29.760 looking at, right, You get you you hearing it, but 1:09:29.800 --> 1:09:33.759 you don't know what the backdrop is. I would say 1:09:34.280 --> 1:09:37.120 that it's in comparison when I say I'm the richest 1:09:37.200 --> 1:09:40.439 nigga in the room, that's right into the baby walk 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:43.439 in the room. I'm talking to my dogs. I'm the 1:09:43.560 --> 1:09:46.720 richest rhying this motherfucker to the baby show up, he 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:49.680 the richest, to p show up. He the riches to 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:52.400 Jay show up. You see what I'm saying. So it's 1:09:52.479 --> 1:09:57.519 it's in comparison to so people who know rappers, who 1:09:57.560 --> 1:10:01.280 have been engaged with rappers have out themselves engaged with 1:10:01.400 --> 1:10:03.680 Vaughn and said, oh he he a little different than 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.559 these rap niggas. The rap niggas because when you get 1:10:06.600 --> 1:10:10.519 behind the scenes somewhere, you probably never haven't been yet, right, 1:10:10.760 --> 1:10:14.840 because you're journalistic. The way you do your thing could 1:10:14.840 --> 1:10:17.160 get you some places you might not have been there yet. 1:10:17.200 --> 1:10:19.320 But once you get behind the scenes and get to see, 1:10:19.720 --> 1:10:23.200 oh shit, right, And not that all these rappers are fake, 1:10:23.280 --> 1:10:25.080 I want you to know that they are not running 1:10:25.080 --> 1:10:28.200 criminal enterprises. They don't have a lot of these guys 1:10:28.240 --> 1:10:31.640 were not the biggest dope boy even in their own neighborhoods. 1:10:31.840 --> 1:10:34.080 So for even Vonn to be a shot call the 1:10:34.120 --> 1:10:37.640 where he come from, it's just a different than the 1:10:37.840 --> 1:10:40.879 rap niggas because the rap niggas come up under somebody 1:10:40.960 --> 1:10:44.160 most time. Right, So I think because Vaughn came in 1:10:44.680 --> 1:10:48.160 with a little bit of rep on this belt, whether 1:10:48.240 --> 1:10:50.920 that's as much as you believe it to be or 1:10:50.960 --> 1:10:53.800 as little as other people believe it to be. Just 1:10:53.960 --> 1:10:57.720 having some in comparison to most rappers places him as 1:10:57.760 --> 1:10:59.160 amongst the realists in the game. 1:11:01.080 --> 1:11:02.200 I get what you say. 1:11:02.240 --> 1:11:04.120 I do agree with you know, there's there's different levels 1:11:04.120 --> 1:11:06.920 of realness. And you know there's people supposedly with with 1:11:07.000 --> 1:11:09.080 more bodies than Von, like you say, you know, Vonn 1:11:09.160 --> 1:11:12.519 is not the biggest ever been alleged. I hate no, 1:11:12.560 --> 1:11:15.200 but that's that's that's that's the topic. That's the topic. 1:11:15.400 --> 1:11:18.000 Like and you know, I appreciate what you're saying. And 1:11:18.040 --> 1:11:20.840 there is a spectrum of realness when it comes to rap. 1:11:21.280 --> 1:11:23.400 You know, you got your Rick Ross, you got your 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:25.760 little babies, you got your King Von, you got your 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:29.160 take A's okay, and so there is a spectrum. But 1:11:29.240 --> 1:11:30.840 come on, man, you can't tell me that when King 1:11:30.920 --> 1:11:32.880 Von was alive, people were saying he was twenty percent real. 1:11:32.920 --> 1:11:36.400 The whole appeal, the whole the King Von was that 1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.920 that Von was one hundred percent the realist out that's. 1:11:38.800 --> 1:11:39.400 Whatever it says. 1:11:39.720 --> 1:11:43.120 But again, you guys from outside the culture, your scales 1:11:43.160 --> 1:11:46.599 are off. When people are saying he's one hundred percent real, 1:11:46.880 --> 1:11:50.600 he's real. What they're saying is in comparison to the rappers, 1:11:50.920 --> 1:11:53.360 he's not the realist streak du He's not the biggest 1:11:53.439 --> 1:11:55.559 killing in the world, none of their shit, and we 1:11:55.600 --> 1:11:58.200 don't talk about killings. I even hate talking about this 1:11:58.400 --> 1:12:03.240 kind of shit, right, But look, yeah, but again, I 1:12:03.320 --> 1:12:06.960 believe Vaughn to be an artist. I believe Vonn to 1:12:07.000 --> 1:12:09.439 be painting some picture from where he come from. I 1:12:09.439 --> 1:12:12.960 believe the circumstances around Vaughn what he saw was that 1:12:13.000 --> 1:12:16.360 detrimental to his vision. You know. I believe his mouth 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:19.360 to be a just a portal from what his mind 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:21.600 to have seen. That's what I believe. I don't know 1:12:21.640 --> 1:12:24.439 that him had been doing all of that, bro without 1:12:24.479 --> 1:12:28.320 any conviction of those things. That's me. That's me being 1:12:28.400 --> 1:12:31.080 in the trenches. You ain't never been to the trenches. 1:12:31.439 --> 1:12:34.120 And I'm trying to get you to understand that. When 1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:36.640 they say that King Vaughan is one of the realists 1:12:36.720 --> 1:12:39.400 or he the realists in the game, these rap dues 1:12:39.439 --> 1:12:41.160 do his floy as shit is to give you their 1:12:41.240 --> 1:12:44.680 phone number and then don't answer the texts you know 1:12:44.760 --> 1:12:48.400 these rep what I'm telling you, they putting it. They 1:12:48.520 --> 1:12:51.120 not talking the criminal element that I believe you to 1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:53.800 be talking about. Now here's another element to it. I 1:12:53.840 --> 1:12:57.840 want you to understand. Most of these guys broke. So 1:12:57.920 --> 1:13:01.719 when they go do say cheese, TV interviews and cam 1:13:01.840 --> 1:13:05.719 compone in, they need that check. The vlaty, they need 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:07.759 that check. I'm gonna say what needs to be said 1:13:07.800 --> 1:13:10.760 to be booked. I need to be booked. I'm trying 1:13:10.800 --> 1:13:12.719 to pay my bills now. I ain't putting a whole 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:14.439 bunch of you know, I'm gonna put a little some 1:13:14.640 --> 1:13:16.439 on it. I ain't gonna but I'm gonna say what 1:13:16.600 --> 1:13:18.760 needs to be said for him to bring me back, 1:13:18.800 --> 1:13:21.320 and we build on this. You know what I'm saying. 1:13:21.360 --> 1:13:23.960 So I need you to understand that everything game with 1:13:24.080 --> 1:13:27.400 no convictions. I'm curious as to how you got to 1:13:27.479 --> 1:13:30.519 a place where you were able to put all this 1:13:30.640 --> 1:13:33.639 together and call this guy's serial killer. When you went 1:13:33.640 --> 1:13:36.800 from making content to giving niggas diagnosis. 1:13:38.439 --> 1:13:39.960 Here's the thing, right, I feel like this is where 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:43.160 we're gonna get into it, because I think I just 1:13:43.200 --> 1:13:45.240 think it's so wrong and disingenuous for all of these 1:13:45.240 --> 1:13:48.160 people to come out and essentially gaslight the victims of 1:13:48.240 --> 1:13:50.960 von An act as if these murders never happened, because 1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:53.880 you've got at least seven people who are dead, and 1:13:54.360 --> 1:13:57.280 von sure he wasn't convicted. This is the funny thing 1:13:57.280 --> 1:13:59.639 people keep saying, Oh, the Malcolm Stucky murder of almos 1:13:59.680 --> 1:14:01.800 put On, he was never convicted. Fine, but he said 1:14:01.800 --> 1:14:04.200 he killed the witness. And you know, there's a to 1:14:04.240 --> 1:14:06.880 a certain degree, if somebody doesn't get convicted of a crime, 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:09.360 that's one thing. But if they're saying I got away 1:14:09.360 --> 1:14:11.240 with it cause I killed the witness, I think at 1:14:11.240 --> 1:14:14.280 a certain point you just have to say, Okay, there's 1:14:14.400 --> 1:14:16.320 more to this than just were they convicted or not. 1:14:16.320 --> 1:14:18.679 Because Von's on a bunch of songs saying he killed seven. 1:14:18.479 --> 1:14:23.400 People, any conviction, How can you do that? 1:14:24.920 --> 1:14:29.200 You can, because I think there's more ways whether. 1:14:29.120 --> 1:14:29.840 Or not something happened. 1:14:29.840 --> 1:14:31.280 And bear in mind, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm 1:14:31.280 --> 1:14:38.720 not trying to convict Vaughan victims convicted. I'm proving. I'm 1:14:38.720 --> 1:14:40.599 proving his own lyrics. He's on a song saying I've 1:14:40.600 --> 1:14:43.160 got I've got seven bodies, and I'm saying, well, who 1:14:43.240 --> 1:14:44.960 are they let me look into it. And I've looked 1:14:45.000 --> 1:14:45.400 into it. 1:14:45.600 --> 1:14:46.200 I found him. 1:14:49.120 --> 1:14:53.559 He's tweeting, Yes he did. It's always saying all these 1:14:53.560 --> 1:14:56.040 different people that he was smoking on like and he did. 1:14:56.240 --> 1:14:58.760 Like he's on Twitter talking about who made who made 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.759 crack World and a guy called crack killed days before 1:15:02.040 --> 1:15:02.439 and he's. 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:06.240 That's Chicago call area, that's another that's another poison that's 1:15:06.280 --> 1:15:09.080 in the wall in Chicago. They do that kind of 1:15:09.080 --> 1:15:11.519 ship like. I can tell you right now that they 1:15:11.560 --> 1:15:15.280 got people that's on rico uh charges and ship because 1:15:15.320 --> 1:15:18.160 they're on the phone saying ship that ain't true. You know, 1:15:18.240 --> 1:15:20.280 they on the phone flexing to their homeboy. Man, I 1:15:20.400 --> 1:15:22.120 just man, I've been doing good today. I made a 1:15:22.200 --> 1:15:27.360 hundred recks today. Boy, that ship is being you. But 1:15:29.080 --> 1:15:34.280 it is so real. I take him at his word, 1:15:35.720 --> 1:15:38.200 his word. A lot of those clips you cut out right, 1:15:38.760 --> 1:15:40.680 a lot of those clips. When he was talking, he 1:15:40.760 --> 1:15:43.360 might say, how many bodies I got, how many bodies 1:15:43.360 --> 1:15:46.040 I got, y'all, how many bodies I got. 1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:49.960 Life, He's. 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:52.800 What are you doing? I want you to from that. 1:15:52.920 --> 1:15:55.000 I want you to look at what you are pulling 1:15:55.040 --> 1:15:57.240 from what he's doing, and I want you to say, 1:15:57.240 --> 1:16:00.519 what's disingenuous? Yo? How many bodies I got? Look y'all, 1:16:00.800 --> 1:16:03.040 look they said, I gots it. Look they put five, six, 1:16:03.160 --> 1:16:05.960 they put the mother said I got said that D 1:16:05.880 --> 1:16:08.080 D D They right, I got, said I got. Now 1:16:08.120 --> 1:16:12.160 I'm just playing. You cut out the now. I'm just playing, 1:16:13.479 --> 1:16:14.040 he said. 1:16:14.160 --> 1:16:16.560 He said, he said on oh, he said on O D. 1:16:16.720 --> 1:16:18.240 Perry's life, I got more I'm. 1:16:18.120 --> 1:16:20.920 Talking about And a lot of those clips he would say, 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:23.759 I'm just bullshit and I'm just playing. I'm just playing. 1:16:23.840 --> 1:16:26.080 You would take that at the clip. You'll just take 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:28.360 the front Paul when he will say, nigga, I got 1:16:28.360 --> 1:16:30.200 four boyy, they better quit playing with us, And he 1:16:30.320 --> 1:16:33.400 might say I'm just playing in that same clip, you 1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:36.200 ignore that, But yet you taking them at his word. 1:16:37.000 --> 1:16:39.560 He's he's wore in his closest homies life that he 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:41.000 got more than five bodies. 1:16:40.680 --> 1:16:44.760 Like that don't mean nothing, Bro, You don't listen, and 1:16:44.800 --> 1:16:46.280 I ain't talking about Vaughn. 1:16:47.560 --> 1:16:49.000 On your life. 1:16:49.920 --> 1:16:51.479 Have you ever sworn somebody life? 1:16:52.760 --> 1:16:53.000 Who? 1:16:53.160 --> 1:16:57.960 Yes, you ever had somebody die that you sworn their life, 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:00.639 like in the field, in the in in some kind 1:17:00.640 --> 1:17:04.480 of street war something like that. You ever did that, 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:06.360 so I want you to check out of this one 1:17:06.360 --> 1:17:07.880 because you ain't never done this one. 1:17:09.320 --> 1:17:12.880 I feel like, you know, I feel like if we 1:17:12.920 --> 1:17:14.800 take a step back, right, I think there's just something 1:17:14.800 --> 1:17:16.960 I'm important I really want to communicate, which is it's like, 1:17:17.920 --> 1:17:20.240 I understand where you're coming from, and I think you're 1:17:21.080 --> 1:17:23.920 rightfully trying to give me an education on how you 1:17:23.960 --> 1:17:26.720 see this with your cultural perspective, and I do respect that, 1:17:26.960 --> 1:17:29.519 but I also think that it's important for you to 1:17:29.560 --> 1:17:32.439 see things from maybe an outsider perspective and say, if 1:17:32.439 --> 1:17:34.599 a guy is running around saying he killed seven people, 1:17:34.840 --> 1:17:37.080 and he's got a whole industry behind him saying this 1:17:37.080 --> 1:17:40.400 guy is the realist, he is no cap At what point, 1:17:40.400 --> 1:17:43.599 as a group of people that are fans of music, say, look, 1:17:43.680 --> 1:17:46.759 vonn was supposedly the realist. He said he killed seven people, 1:17:46.960 --> 1:17:49.080 here's the names of the seven people that died, and 1:17:49.120 --> 1:17:52.240 he's tweeting haha, six shots to the face minutes after 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:54.479 they died. At what point can we all just say, 1:17:54.520 --> 1:17:57.600 look like, as a community, we've got to put her 1:17:57.600 --> 1:17:58.800 hands up and say murder is wrong. 1:17:58.880 --> 1:17:59.320 Right, You've got a. 1:17:59.320 --> 1:18:02.320 Whole yead larn and I'm not caping for Vaughn because 1:18:02.320 --> 1:18:04.439 I don't know what he done. I'm telling you though, 1:18:04.720 --> 1:18:07.080 that you don't know what he done, and anything said 1:18:07.120 --> 1:18:12.040 with our context can be misunderstood. So I mean, no, listen, 1:18:12.200 --> 1:18:16.320 Vn ain't told you nothing. Your obsession told you everything, right, 1:18:16.439 --> 1:18:20.679 Vaughn ain't communicating nothing with you. Your interpretation. You calling 1:18:20.680 --> 1:18:25.120 these people victims. You diagnosing this man without any convictions 1:18:25.240 --> 1:18:28.120 or any real evidence, based on your understanding of a 1:18:28.160 --> 1:18:30.519 culture you're not a part of. Here. I am an 1:18:30.520 --> 1:18:34.519 outstanding member telling you that it's Camp on rap shit 1:18:35.479 --> 1:18:39.760 outstanding member, and you won't accept that. You're telling me 1:18:39.840 --> 1:18:42.439 that they said Ron is the realist. I agree, Vonn 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:45.600 may be the realist, but compare to these fuck niggas. 1:18:45.760 --> 1:18:49.120 They not comparing Vaughn to the street guys. He rapping now, 1:18:49.479 --> 1:18:52.000 he trying to save his family. Now. He wanted the 1:18:52.040 --> 1:18:55.400 realists in this game because this game is full of 1:18:55.439 --> 1:18:58.960 boardshit a whole bunch of people that ain't even from 1:18:58.960 --> 1:19:01.000 the culture. That's what's on with this game now. 1:19:01.880 --> 1:19:04.600 So let's say I accept your argument fully. You know 1:19:04.680 --> 1:19:08.880 I denounced my opinions. I completely ubcept your argument. What 1:19:08.920 --> 1:19:10.840 you're saying to me is that all of Von's lyrics 1:19:10.840 --> 1:19:12.240 a cap and he never killed anyone. 1:19:12.360 --> 1:19:15.479 I'm saying that Vaughn is an artist. You're listening to 1:19:15.600 --> 1:19:18.519 music with millions of dollars of production involved in it. 1:19:18.760 --> 1:19:22.040 You have been listened in on an inside conversation or 1:19:22.880 --> 1:19:26.240 any intimate details with him and his family. You're listening 1:19:26.280 --> 1:19:29.960 to production to music. This shit has a marketing budget. 1:19:30.040 --> 1:19:34.080 So this is creative talk. This is something you should accept. 1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:37.120 If you're not the victim, if you're not somebody that 1:19:37.200 --> 1:19:39.760 had to bear with, somebody that could have been the 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:43.120 reason this situation happened, you need to accept this as 1:19:43.200 --> 1:19:47.240 creativity because you don't know nothing else. Anything else is 1:19:47.280 --> 1:19:50.880 assumption because you ain't been involved. And if I'm telling 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:54.800 you as an outstanding member that the rap shits a 1:19:54.840 --> 1:19:57.400 lot of room in that, and I ain't calling the 1:19:57.479 --> 1:20:00.360 rap brothers all cap, I want my rap friends to know. 1:20:00.640 --> 1:20:03.879 But I'm telling you the streets is a weird place, homie. 1:20:04.400 --> 1:20:07.800 The streets is a fucking weird place that you ain't 1:20:07.880 --> 1:20:11.200 never ever ever seen. I'm telling you. For them dudes 1:20:11.200 --> 1:20:14.719 to survive down there, they had to operate a certain way. 1:20:14.960 --> 1:20:17.639 I don't see him having enough money to get out 1:20:17.680 --> 1:20:21.120 of that at that time when he passed away again, 1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:23.439 R I P. Vaughan because I you know, we're just 1:20:23.479 --> 1:20:26.439 talking about a man like a man. Mama ain't involved. 1:20:26.439 --> 1:20:28.560 And that's what I need you to understand. When you 1:20:28.720 --> 1:20:32.360 running around without any kind of degree of diploma diagnosing 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:34.840 men in a culture you ain't had nothing to do with. 1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:38.040 What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit? 1:20:38.760 --> 1:20:41.080 What about the seven mothers of the people that here. 1:20:41.400 --> 1:20:43.000 What are you giving them? A boy, what are you 1:20:43.040 --> 1:20:45.640 giving them by making a YouTube documentary and with you 1:20:45.720 --> 1:20:48.559 the only one benefit from they ain't getting nothing from 1:20:48.600 --> 1:20:50.000 that documentary homing. 1:20:49.840 --> 1:20:52.439 What What about the millions of dollars Von made making 1:20:52.520 --> 1:20:54.280 music making fun of that dead relatives? 1:20:54.320 --> 1:20:57.160 What you got to do with that? Is what I'm saying.