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Speaker 1: You know who it is, Big Loon. We got trapped

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Speaker 1: Lord Ross. Today We're gonna be talking about a lot

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Speaker 1: of things. You know, It's a lot of information to

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Speaker 1: He's been instrumental in a bunch of things that I've

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Speaker 1: took a liking to. But I do think that there's

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Speaker 1: a content creator of the highest form. Right over the

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Speaker 1: last couple of days, they've been kind of mashing him

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Speaker 1: up with ten ninety Jake. He's a little different than

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Speaker 1: Jake though, he actually is a content creator like and

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Speaker 1: I'll get to some of his his way of coming

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Speaker 1: of that. But it's gonna be a good one. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be a great conversation. He's been welcoming to all

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Speaker 1: questions and all criticism, and he's been able to sit

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Speaker 1: with people like academics, King Vaughan's old manager, Adam twenty two,

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Speaker 1: a lot of those people I've had on my platform

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Speaker 1: as well. But you know, I'm Big Loan. So for

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Speaker 1: those of you that's knew around here, which I don't

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Speaker 1: know if anyone that has not saw my face. I'm

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Speaker 1: the dude that is taking over right when we talk

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Speaker 1: about podcasting, I'm the guy that went and got a

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Speaker 1: couple of deals. I did a little babies roll out,

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Speaker 1: you know, and also the real ones check in with me.

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Speaker 1: So if you guys got questions, if you guys want

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna definitely let you guys in on it.

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Speaker 1: So I am here. What's going on? My god?

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Speaker 2: What's good man? Good to connect, Good to be here finally. Sorry,

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Speaker 2: sorry it took me so long to settle and get

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Speaker 2: to you, but I'm here now. I'm excited to talk.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Good man, I've been seeing you making you round, so

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Speaker 1: I know you've been a busy guy after that King

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Speaker 1: Vaughn thing came out, so I know how that works. Definitely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was crazy, man, because you know, I've been

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Speaker 3: You know. I had a lot of different.

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Speaker 2: it's been a lot to handle. But I got shout

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Speaker 2: out Adam twenty two man, because he told me, I

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Speaker 2: got checking with you. He said, I've got to make

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Speaker 1: So that's my man.

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Speaker 3: I'm here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my guy, Adam. That's my guy. Man. I

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Speaker 1: went out there and dealt with Adam. We talked behind

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Speaker 1: we talk all the time about those things. Shout out Adam,

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Speaker 1: shout out, no jump. But he's been he's hey, he's

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Speaker 3: It's been up and down for him.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think it's been like you say, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's tough. You know, I'm not I'm not a multimillion

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Speaker 2: was really sad to kind of see that that breakup happened.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, there my guys, ad them, my guys, Adam,

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Speaker 2: So yeah, ain't need to running the podcast out here.

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Speaker 1: and we'll get to talk about it. But I do

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Speaker 1: I know it. Tell me, tell me your upbringing before

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Speaker 2: But the funny thing is, man, you know, I grew

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Speaker 1: like where did where did you get your understanding of it?

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Speaker 1: place where people need to sympathize for us, or you know,

432
00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:15,679
Speaker 1: be like we're some sort of victims. Like you know

433
00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,679
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's like you know, I know you

434
00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 1: say it gives you a window into listening to jay Z,

435
00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:22,879
Speaker 1: gave you a window into black culture, so you can

436
00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,720
Speaker 1: kind of sympathize. First of all, a lot of the

437
00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,960
Speaker 1: rap shit is fake, a lot of the talking from raps,

438
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,879
Speaker 1: and I know from outside of the culture, y'all, you

439
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 1: may not get that. Oh that's what I want to say.

440
00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,520
Speaker 1: Let me go back. We'll get to that in a second.

441
00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:40,399
Speaker 1: When I say hip hop or when I say the

442
00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,000
Speaker 1: tough area, when I say our culture, I'm not talking

443
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,840
Speaker 1: about just the criminal element, right. That's why I was

444
00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,840
Speaker 1: talking to you about maybe barbecues or you know, football

445
00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,159
Speaker 1: up the heel, or maybe cookouts or you know, just

446
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,399
Speaker 1: other things that we do in our culture that lends

447
00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,120
Speaker 1: us that understanding. Even when we talk to each other,

448
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,239
Speaker 1: Like my neighborhood. I don't play like this, but in

449
00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,720
Speaker 1: my neighborhood, for some strange reason, they talk to each

450
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,840
Speaker 1: other and they'll say, bitch, what you doing, bitch, bitch,

451
00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 1: how you bitch? What you got? Like if a police

452
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: officer or someone is listening to that, that sounds violent

453
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 1: when that's not even that. You have to be of

454
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 1: the culture to understand how they can use a word

455
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,959
Speaker 1: like that to each other and it's not causing that

456
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 1: level of violence. You can't get that through hip hop.

457
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,280
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying that. And I mean when

458
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,360
Speaker 1: I say culture, it's not just music. It's fashion, it's jargon,

459
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 1: it's lifestyle, it's it's even and it is it is

460
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,200
Speaker 1: some hardship, it is some what we've been through. Right,

461
00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,439
Speaker 1: I talk like this, I walk like this because of

462
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 1: what I've been through, you know. And so it's more

463
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: than just hip hop that makes us what we are.

464
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: And so I'm trying to help you get a real

465
00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 1: window into the culture because hip hop is just a

466
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: little bitty facet of our culture. And when you're dealing

467
00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,360
Speaker 1: with our rappers, you're dealing with more than the hip

468
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: hop artists. You're dealing with a young black man from

469
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,600
Speaker 1: our culture. You see what I'm saying. And I know

470
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 1: sometimes from the outside it's just oh, another rapper, blew

471
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,840
Speaker 1: up another rapper. It's like, no, he's speaking culture language.

472
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,240
Speaker 1: He's saying some culture shit. Whether it's right or wrong.

473
00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: And how you how you interpret it is what we

474
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about a little later. But you know,

475
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 1: to that, what do you say?

476
00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think it's interesting because I think

477
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 2: if we go back to like what I said at

478
00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 2: the start, you know, it's not just about hip hop

479
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 2: like I say. You know, I grew up just into

480
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 2: things that I guess would be seen as black culture.

481
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 2: You know, it's not just hip hop like I say.

482
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 2: I grew up watching comedy like Deaf comedy jam, people.

483
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 1: That like DL D.

484
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 3: L Hugley, Dave Chappelle.

485
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,280
Speaker 2: And I think, you know, it's it's almost like I

486
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: got I actually go you know, everything you just said

487
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 2: I agreed with to be honest, Like, I think for me,

488
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,800
Speaker 2: it's it's not necessarily I don't feel like I've really

489
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: got something to prove as far as, like, you know,

490
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,919
Speaker 2: my affinity with black people. You know, at the end

491
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 2: of the day, I think I'm just this weird white

492
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: dude that grew up in a very white area. But

493
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: I listened to nothing but hip hop, you know, listen

494
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: to nothing but black comedians, black people I find successful.

495
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: Even beyond that, you know, I remember growing up and

496
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: I seeing the Malcolm X film and just being so

497
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: inspired by this amazing, you know, powerful black man that

498
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 2: kind of overcome his adversity. And as I said before,

499
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 2: like really I just grew up having a lot of

500
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 2: black people as my heroes and people I really admired. Now,

501
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 2: does that mean that I had the black experience? You know, No,

502
00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 2: and I don't claim to have had that. And like

503
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 2: I said, I kind of agree with everything you just

504
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,440
Speaker 2: said to be honest, but I really what I'm trying

505
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,240
Speaker 2: to say is just it's like I really mean no

506
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 2: harm like, and I don't claim to be like an

507
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,639
Speaker 2: expert of black culture or black people, like, you know,

508
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,640
Speaker 2: my topic area on my channel is hip hop, hip

509
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,359
Speaker 2: hop music, rappers, that stuff I'm interested in, and realistically, like,

510
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 2: when it comes to that, stuff. You know, I do

511
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: have a good knowledge, you know, it's all it's it's

512
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 2: we're talking twenty five years plus of just me listening

513
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 2: to nothing but hip hop and like learning about hip hop,

514
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 2: learning about the lyrics. I don't claim to be like

515
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: some sort of a black culture expert. But at the

516
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: same time, I kind of, you know, I grew up

517
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: on that stuff, even though I wasn't from that area.

518
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: So I'm kind of a messed up with random dude.

519
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: I really I'm not trying to claim to be anything

520
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm not. And you know, I really don't mean to

521
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,240
Speaker 2: offend anybody with the things I say or the things

522
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 2: I put across.

523
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 3: And I'm quite open minded.

524
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Speaker 1: Man and necessarily right with the King Vaughn thingg And

525
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. Right before the King Vaughn thinging.

526
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 1: I'm literally in building saying, look, I need to hire

527
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,400
Speaker 1: this guy, like, give me it. I need to hire

528
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,159
Speaker 1: this guy. Got some things I want to do with

529
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 1: this guy, like how he does it. I want to

530
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: pitch him some things and let him kind of get

531
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: it together and then we bring it back to the

532
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: network like I was. And then the King Vaughn thing happened,

533
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 1: but before King Vaughn. Let's go back. I still want

534
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: to know how you got onto jay Z. If nobody

535
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: around you's listening to how we crept into your roller dicks.

536
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: Well that's the thing, so to be fair. So I

537
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 2: had two older brothers, right, and bear in mind, so

538
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 2: I moved her from London, South London to like Croydon

539
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 2: from when I was about five or six years old, right.

540
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 2: So my older brothers they were like, I don't know

541
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 2: the exactly, like six and ten.

542
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 3: Years older than me.

543
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,879
Speaker 2: So they grew up in London, right, So they were

544
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: more urbanized as far as like living in the city,

545
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: living in a much more multicultural area. So they were

546
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: into like a lot more diverse range of things, not

547
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:18,959
Speaker 2: just hip hop, but they liked hip hop. They had

548
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,040
Speaker 2: a few hip hop records.

549
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: They were into.

550
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,800
Speaker 2: Skateboarding, surfing, just more shit that was more city type stuff.

551
00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: And for me, I think it's just hip Hop's the

552
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 2: thing I latched onto. You know, I had an older

553
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: brother that he would make hip hop beats. You know,

554
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 2: we moved from London to this kind of small town.

555
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 2: There was nothing going on, and you know, my brother

556
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 2: would mess around on logic making beats, and I thought

557
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: that was really cool. You know, I would steal his

558
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: records and like I say, listen to my jay Z,

559
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 2: listen to my you know these up here I do

560
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 2: if you know these this is the like Ruckus Records

561
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 2: kind of collection. And these are some of the first

562
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: records that I ever had of Like these are records

563
00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 2: that I stole from my older brothers and were spinning

564
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 2: like peramunch eminem like early stuff. And i'd have been

565
00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 2: so I think that series like ninety nine, two thousand,

566
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 2: so you know, we're talking like i'd be like seven

567
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 2: or eight discovering this stuff for the first time. So

568
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 2: I guess I would give it to my older brothers.

569
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 2: You know, I had an older brother that used to

570
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 2: make rap beats. My other brother, you know, there was

571
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 2: a period of time when he was trying to kind

572
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 2: of make it as a rapper and releasing songs and

573
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 2: pressing records, and I was just super inspired by them

574
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 2: and sort of the rappers that I was listening to really,

575
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: so in a way, I guess it's sort of like

576
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 2: my older brothers having some hip hop records around, but

577
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: like they were kind of they were into that shit.

578
00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: But I really just got obsessive and just took it

579
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 2: to a whole other level. I didn't want to play football,

580
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: I didn't want to surf for skateboard. I just wanted

581
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 2: to listen to hip hop all day. And like you know,

582
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 2: I was when I was a little kid, even like

583
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 2: I was a young kid, like nine years old, trying

584
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: to rap. But I had my little raps in school

585
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:45,920
Speaker 2: and people were like, what the hell are you doing?

586
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 3: Like what is this?

587
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: But I just loved it. I just thought that was

588
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,080
Speaker 2: so cool. That's what I wanted to do, That's what

589
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: I wanted to be. And I guess yeah, partly like

590
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: my older brothers, partly the Internet, because I once I

591
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,200
Speaker 2: got these records and I kind of got into hip hop,

592
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,719
Speaker 2: and then the Internet was around. I would just you know,

593
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,360
Speaker 2: looking up all these artists, downloading their whole catalog. Let

594
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 2: me listen to the you know, discover eminem and jay Z.

595
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: Let me listen to every song they've ever made, every

596
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: remix they've ever done. That's I was just sat there

597
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 2: doing that all day. And that's how I kind of

598
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: built up this hip hop knowledge. Kind of by accident,

599
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: but that's where that knowledge came from. And then many

600
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: years later, you know, I tried to get into the industry.

601
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a video director for rappers. So

602
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 2: I was kind of working with just like local rappers

603
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: and rappers that I met in London to like shoot

604
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 2: their videos and try and help promote their careers and stuff.

605
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: And you know, I just wanted to be close to

606
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: hip hop. I honestly, at the time, I never really

607
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: would have even imagined I'd have ended up doing what

608
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 2: I do now, But you know, things just kind of

609
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 2: unfolded in a weird way. But yeah, it's just it

610
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: just all came from the music and just being a

611
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: kid just loving hip hop really.

612
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: And you know what, you got onto the music early.

613
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 1: And I can hear that, right, I want to know

614
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: when did you get into the content part of it?

615
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 1: Like not necessarily the music, but hey, I think I

616
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: knowing no about this stuff. I'm gonna say something, right,

617
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: when when did you get there?

618
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: That's an interesting story, right, So this is a funny one.

619
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: It might not be what you expect. But so I

620
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: moved to London when I was like eighteen, you know,

621
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 2: I was studying making music videos for rappers. It was

622
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: kind of like just I was trying a lot of

623
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 2: different stuff, and I actually started doing stand up comedy.

624
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,679
Speaker 2: So you know, I was going around in London, like

625
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: going to these nightclubs because as well as rappers like

626
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: people like Dave Chappelle, I looked up to comedians too,

627
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 2: like a lot of comedians that I just thought were dope.

628
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 2: So I wanted to give that a try. So I

629
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: got into the open mic circuit in London and started

630
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: doing a bit stand up comedy and it was you know,

631
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: I'm saying I was doing it a bit, but it

632
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,880
Speaker 2: wasn't really going anywhere. And then I kind of started

633
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 2: getting into to making YouTube videos, so I was making

634
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 2: more like comedy sketches, like with my friends. You know,

635
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 2: I kind of like, so I got homie that I

636
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 2: knew from Brixton, which you know, one known spot in

637
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: South London. But you know, me and my homie, soitanye

638
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 2: we knew each other from doing stand up comedy, and

639
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 2: we started doing these sketches and you know, some of

640
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: the content we made sort of almost had this element

641
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 2: of like, you know, he was a young black guy

642
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: from Brixton. You know, he's half Nigerian, half Jamaican, and

643
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm sort of this nerdy white guy from the South

644
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: of England, but I am obsessed with hip hop. So

645
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: we did a few like comedy sketches of like kind

646
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 2: of almost that that thing, almost like a black guy

647
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 2: and a white guy living life in a different way.

648
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Like me and him did this comedy sketch where he

649
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: took me to like the Nigerian food spot and he's

650
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 2: eating with his hands and like I don't know how

651
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: to eat the food and shit right, And so like

652
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 2: me and my homies just doing stuff like this. No

653
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: one was we were getting no views, like it wasn't

654
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: going anywhere, but we were just trying to do this

655
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: whole comedy thing. Like you know, my Palsertanie, he's a

656
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 2: great guy. Shout out to him, you know, he was.

657
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: He was another person super inspired by people like Dave Chappelle,

658
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: you know, other great black comedians, and he was kind

659
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 2: of doing his stand up thing and me and him,

660
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 2: we were just trying to make it basically like running

661
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: around London trying to make it in the content game.

662
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: And the funny thing is, you know, YouTube just wasn't

663
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: going anywhere for me, but I just kept trying. Like

664
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 2: every year, I would just be like, let me do

665
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 2: another sketch, let me do a reaction video. And over

666
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: time I started doing a few videos that were hip

667
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: hop related, but it was kind of more UK stuff

668
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: funnily enough, like you know, I don't know if you know,

669
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 2: Skepta sort of the big you know, the big grime

670
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: rapper in the UK's one of the biggest guys in

671
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 2: the UK. But like, you know, I did a few

672
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 2: reactions to like he would drop a new music video.

673
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: I'd sort of react to Skepta's music video. But again

674
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't really getting views, like it wasn't going anywhere,

675
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: but I just kept doing it because it was fun.

676
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 2: You know, there's a big rapper in the UK called

677
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 2: the Russ, not the American Russ.

678
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 3: We've got our own Russ. He's fire. Shout out to him.

679
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: But you know I did I did a video where

680
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 2: I kind of broke down the history of like one

681
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 2: of his music videos and like he had this Lamborghini

682
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 2: in his video and I sort of told the story

683
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: of how he got this Lamborghini. And it didn't really

684
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: go anywhere, but that was like the first video I

685
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: did that kind of had like some structure and sort

686
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: of told the rap story, and I was I didn't

687
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: really I didn't really rock with it. I didn't think

688
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: it was that good a video. But I had another

689
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 2: home that was doing videos, YouTube videos, sort of more

690
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: like history type stuff. And you know, people that know

691
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: me in real knife know that I'm obsessed with hip hop.

692
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm the guy at a party trying to tell

693
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: someone a hip hop story, or like, if there's a song,

694
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be like, oh, you know, like did

695
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: you know this about this song? Like did you know

696
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: jay Z like sold a million records of this album?

697
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: Or this this happened or that happened, or like Gucci,

698
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: like did you know Gucci main beat a murder case.

699
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: I was that guy, and my homie just said to me, like,

700
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: you know, why don't you tell some of those stories

701
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 2: that you're always telling people and do it in the

702
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: video like your Russ video. And it's kind of funny

703
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: because at the time, I literally I said to the guy,

704
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think people are gonna rock

705
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: with this, this nerdy white guy with glasses talking about these,

706
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 2: you know, real ass hip hop stories. And I kind

707
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 2: of put it off, and then eventually I just said

708
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 2: you know what, let me make a story. Let me

709
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: make a hip hop history video. See how that goes.

710
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: And I did the video about how jay Z shot

711
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: his brother when he was twelve and just kind of

712
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: telling that story. And that was just the story that

713
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 2: really stood out to me of you know, hearing those

714
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: lyrics when I as a kid and thinking, wow, you know,

715
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 2: that's that's crazy. That's a circumstance, like shooting your brother

716
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 2: when you're just twelve, Like that was something completely out

717
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: of my conception, and it was an interesting story. And

718
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: I made that video and you know, that video ended

719
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: up performing better than anything I had ever done, and

720
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: I just kind of was like, damn, Like it was

721
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: the opposite of what I expected, you know, I was.

722
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised people were even interested. And

723
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 2: from there I just kept going. You know, I started

724
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 2: doing videos on all kinds of different topics. You know,

725
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: I did a video on Frank Ocean and how he

726
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 2: kind of finessed the record label for twenty million dollars

727
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 2: sort of when he did his album to get out

728
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: of his deal with def Jam. You know, I did

729
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: a story about how jay Z and R Kelly had beef.

730
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 2: I did a breakdown of like R Kelly's whole case.

731
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: You know, I did a breakdown of the situation with

732
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: Young Thug and Lil Wayne having a beef, and it

733
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: just slowly, like I was just doing the stuff that

734
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: I was interested in, stuff that was in the news

735
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: at the time, and.

736
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: It just slowly, slowly started building up.

737
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: And you know, the like I said, I think it

738
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 2: was that Frank Ocean video about how he kind of

739
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 2: ba That was the first thing I got that got

740
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: like a million views, And to be honest, that was

741
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: just you know that that was really mind blowing to me.

742
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: Like I'd never even I would have never thought I

743
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,400
Speaker 2: could get through a video with a million views. You know,

744
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: everything I'd done up until that point, we're talking like

745
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 2: fifty hundred views maybe, So that was like, you know,

746
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 2: that was very eye opening for me.

747
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: But that's the story of how it kind of came

748
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 3: to be.

749
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: And so they reward of the million views said hey,

750
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: let's stick here. I mean, because I'm in content, I

751
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: know what it's like when everybody's posting me and all

752
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: this shit's going crazy, my phone's going like it sends

753
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: off shit in your ear. It's like a reward man

754
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: this shit is, it's amore. I can only imagine what

755
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: rappers feel like when they go on the stage and

756
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: everybody's screaming and hollering, and it's just like, that's why

757
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: they chase it. That's why you see them at some

758
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: point starting to make bad decisions because I want that feeling,

759
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: bag man, you know, And us as content creators, we

760
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: gotta be careful that we're not somewhat chasing that same

761
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: that say ghosts and trying to sensationalize some of these things.

762
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: When did you when did you find your Would you

763
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: say you're you are infatuated with King Vaughn.

764
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I would, and I think a lot

765
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: of people are.

766
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: You know.

767
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: I think King von is an artist that captivated a

768
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: lot of people, you know, when Von was alive, you know,

769
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 2: and he was really on the run of his success,

770
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 2: you know, releasing his mixtapes back to back, quickly becoming

771
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 2: one of the biggest artists in the game. I think

772
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: a lot of people became obsessed with Vonn because he

773
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 2: was a great artist and he had a fascinating story.

774
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 2: And I probably would say that I'm I don't think

775
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: I've obsessed with him in a sort of twisted, creepy,

776
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 2: uh you know, King Von tattoo on my on my

777
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 2: face kind of way. But he was definitely one of

778
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 2: my favorite artists. He was somebody that his backstory was

779
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 2: just insane to me.

780
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: You know.

781
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: He had so many lyrics saying I've I've got seven bodies,

782
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 2: I'm about to catch another one. You know, I was

783
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: listening to this guy and he was so good at rapping,

784
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 2: and I was just listening to these lyrics, thinking how

785
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: can this be? Like, this can't be true. This guy

786
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: is so cold on the mic. He's saying he's killed

787
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: all the ops. He's saying he's killed seven people, and

788
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: he's got charting on Billboard?

789
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 3: Like, how is this? How is this possible? And I

790
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: probably did.

791
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: I probably did get a little bit obsessed with with

792
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: his music and his story, to be honest.

793
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, And would you say obsession is not healthy?

794
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 3: Probably not no.

795
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: And you know what I would say that in general,

796
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: I think, you know, I don't want to I don't wanna.

797
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I can throw my hands up and

798
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 2: say I think I think I probably even before I

799
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 2: made the video, I think I was obsessed with King

800
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: Von's music because there was a time when all I

801
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: wanted to listen to was Von. I didn't want to

802
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: listen to nobody else because Vonn was the realist, the rawst,

803
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,959
Speaker 2: the coldest rapper, had the best beats. All I wanted

804
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: to listen to was von And that was probably before

805
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 2: i'd even done a video about him, you know, back

806
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,439
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, because I did. For bear in mind,

807
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 2: I did three videos on Vaughn while he was alive,

808
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: and you know, at the time, you know, that's a

809
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: whole other story, but like that was a time when

810
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 2: I think von was really the trending topic and hip hop.

811
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 3: He was the guy.

812
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: Now, so let's let's let's let's go back a little bit.

813
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: So all right, King, So you're saying that you do

814
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: you would say that you have some sort of obsession

815
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: with King Von. Now when when you went to reporting

816
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: on King Vaughn, do you think your obsession the obsession

817
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: of the Because to me, what I'm hearing from you

818
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: right from my side, because I've been involved in everything

819
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: this culture has to offer, from from the dope game

820
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: to the criminal shit, to the jail to the month.

821
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,319
Speaker 1: Whatever this culture has, I've I've endured it, right so

822
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: when I'm speaking to you, I don't hear hip hop.

823
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: I hear you obsessed with our criminal with the criminal

824
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 1: aspect of the culture. It's almost like that's what draws

825
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 1: you in. Have you ever been in a fight, have

826
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 1: you had fights and stab beings? Have you shot somebody

827
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: or been shot at? Or do you know any of

828
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff?

829
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, let me just I'll answer all those questions.

830
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 2: I would say, you know, I would disagree that I'm

831
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 2: obsessed with the criminality side of it. You know, I

832
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: think the thing that got me interested in VONN to

833
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: begin with was the music. You know, it's always the music.

834
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't. I don't go looking

835
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: for just like random shootings and then like hope that

836
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: somebody is a rapper.

837
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: Hold up trap. You said that the lyric that stuck

838
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: out to you from jay Z was that he shot

839
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: his brother. That's the That's literally one of the first

840
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: things you said that stuck out to you while he

841
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,760
Speaker 1: shot his brother. That that's I'm telling you. I'm a listener,

842
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: so I'm not someone that is just gonna say these

843
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: things as I got your moment, I'm not into that, right.

844
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: We having conversation. I'm literally listening to what you're saying.

845
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 1: So you said, hey, Yo, the jay Z thing, right,

846
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: jay Z man, he was such a lyrical guy. But

847
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: what really got me he had to shoot his brother

848
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: and I got to thank you.

849
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 2: But what I would say is that I am obsessed

850
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 2: with jay Z. But I was already a fan of

851
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,120
Speaker 2: jay Z for years before I made that video and

852
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: before I you know, covered that story. But like I've

853
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 2: covered a lot of jay Z stories, you know, I

854
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: bear in mind, I've got a video about how jay

855
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: Z cut his deals in his you know, his alcohol

856
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 2: businesses to become a billionaire. Like I'm also obsessed with

857
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: jay Z. I'm probably as obsessed with jay Z as

858
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 2: I am with this. I think jay Z.

859
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: How different rapping wise, it's King Ron from jay Z

860
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: because if you like King, if you like jay Z style,

861
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: him and King Vaughan are day and night. So the

862
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: only thing they have in coming is rapping about the

863
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: criminal elements in a way that's.

864
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: Believable that that's not. I don't know if that's true,

865
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: because I think I'm down.

866
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: Though I'm down, I think because I think as well,

867
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 2: it's sort of like I think you're picking a specific

868
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: point to focus on, and I understand because that's the

869
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 2: that's the topic and the theme we're on. But I think,

870
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,440
Speaker 2: you know, I think when you look at if we

871
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 2: were going to do a comparison of jay Z and

872
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: King Von as artists, I mean, that'd be really bear

873
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 2: in mind, Like you can tell, I'm obsessed, Like I

874
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: love this ship, Like that's so interesting, like because I

875
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: think when it comes to jay Z, look as far

876
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 2: as as far as I know, Okay, jay Z has

877
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: never killed anybody, right, The story is he shot his

878
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 2: brother at age twelve. His brother was apparently, you know,

879
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: on a lot of drugs, causing problems for the family,

880
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 2: stealing he was the story of jay Z shooting his

881
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: brother when he was twelve was a really interesting story

882
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: of this young dude who essentially had to boss up

883
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: at twelve and become the defender of his family, which

884
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 2: is a which is a crazy story which I guess

885
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 2: in a way does bear similarities to King Von because

886
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 2: I think the situation with King Von is, you know,

887
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 2: especially at the early stages when we can get into

888
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: this as a separate debate, but like you know, if

889
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 2: you believe that King Von did kill people, as he

890
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: said in his lyrics and his tweets. You know, I

891
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: think when that begun, that was a kill to survive situation.

892
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: I think Vaughn was defending himself, he was defending his life,

893
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 2: he was defending his family's life. And I suppose that's

894
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: that's what jay Z was doing in that situation where.

895
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 1: He's a circumstance. Now, our culture, this is what I'm

896
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: trying to tell you. This ain't music. This is an

897
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: element of our culture that involves at a lot of

898
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: times a criminals, it right, and we just so happened

899
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 1: to be some of us so happened to be so dope.

900
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: We can rap about it, you know. But that particular

901
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: part of it seems to what draws you in, because

902
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 1: the way jay Z raps is nothing like the way

903
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: King Vaughn raps. Yet you are obsessed with both of them.

904
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: Go ahead, let me tell you.

905
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:20,439
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why, because I bear in mind

906
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: this is subject this is really interesting.

907
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: I love I love this.

908
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: So I think what's really interesting, and I kind of

909
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: touched on this in my video, is that you're right,

910
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 2: you've got these two guys, jay Z and King vonon

911
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 2: that Essentially, they both grew up in really difficult environments.

912
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 2: You've got the Massy projects in New York, You've got

913
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: O Block in Chicago, Parkway gardens. Right, they were both

914
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: in these situations where they essentially had to fight for

915
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 2: their survival, and at some point in both their lives

916
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: they realized and they decided, you know what, instead of

917
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 2: this life of crime, at least in jay Z's case,

918
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 2: you know, his thing was he was a drug dealer.

919
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 2: A lot of his early raps reasonable doubt dead presidents.

920
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 2: It's kind of drug dealer, mafioso rap. You know, drill

921
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 2: music hadn't even been invented yet.

922
00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: Right.

923
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: But the reason I look at to jay Z so

924
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,280
Speaker 2: much and I would, you know, I'd say I'm obsessed

925
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: with him because he made a change and he said,

926
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: I'm going to get out of the streets. I'm going

927
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 2: to become a rapper, I'm going to get into the industry,

928
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 2: and I'm going to kind of become this businessman. And

929
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: he got the hell away from all of that kind

930
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 2: of the drug dealing in the streets. He made himself

931
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: a success through his music and became a millionaire. And

932
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: I think what's really interesting is like when you can

933
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 2: trust that with King Von and I think we'll get

934
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: into this, but this is why I find King Von

935
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: as you know it. Just to be completely honest, I

936
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: don't think King Voon is necessarily someone to look up to,

937
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 2: because I think that you've got someone like jay Z

938
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 2: where he beat the odds and he broke the cycle

939
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: and he got out of that situation, became a millionaire

940
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: focused on his business, built billion dollar businesses, became very corporate,

941
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: Whereas I think if you can trust that with Vaughn,

942
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: Vaughn got out of the streets, became a millionaire. But

943
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: it would seem based on the research that I did,

944
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: that Vaughn simply was more interested in the beef. He

945
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: wanted to keep funding the street war.

946
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: He wanted to arrange it. That's the way with.

947
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: You, because from outside of our culture, you cannot speak

948
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: to what he was interested in. You see, sometimes I

949
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: want you to know this brother from from from loan right,

950
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: and we're debating, so I want you to say whatever

951
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: you want to say so we can have a conversation

952
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: in an open and an open way. But I'm telling you,

953
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: King Vaughn want't as rich as probably you think he

954
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 1: was to be able to get out of that situation.

955
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: The rappers. What I don't think you've picked up along

956
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: all your research of hip hop in our culture is

957
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: that most rap shit in the culture they con men.

958
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: They playing con man, they confidence man, right, whatever, they

959
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: they just gotta sell it. They gotta be able to

960
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,479
Speaker 1: sell it to the consumer. I don't I don't think

961
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: that somebody like King Vaughn jay Z, I don't think

962
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: that the same. I believe that, again, the only thing

963
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: that they have in common is the criminal element that

964
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: they both had to face, because our culture provides that

965
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: to us. Even rapping. Just think about the rap style

966
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: totally different. Think about the beat selection totally different. Think

967
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: about where they come totally different, the accent totally different.

968
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: Jay Z, like you said, was it he as soon

969
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: as he had an opportunity because he was old when

970
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: he got his money. He was twenty eight when he

971
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: got his deal or something, so he was already an

972
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,240
Speaker 1: established man. King Vaughan is a young man that's still

973
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: kind of hooked to this shit that they gonna start

974
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: calling shyreck. This shit is a mess up here, homie.

975
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: This shit is something you can't just check out of this.

976
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: This ain't That's what I'm saying. This ain't. You don't

977
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: just turn this game off. This ain't something King Vaughan

978
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: just can walk away from, right. He don't got the money,

979
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: Dirk Hat. In my opinion, he don't have the money,

980
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 1: Dirk Hat. And I know because I know what he

981
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: takes to get from that. The resources he would have

982
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: needed to get from that place, I don't think he

983
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 1: had yet. But let's not move too far into that.

984
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:06,800
Speaker 1: Let's go back to what is the the the parallel

985
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: things between King Vaughan and jay Z that draws trap

986
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: Lord Ross to being somewhat obsessed with both of those guys.

987
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: Outside of if it's the criminal element, I need you

988
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that and understand that, oh shit, oh shit,

989
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: it ain't the hip hop, it ain't really the music. Shit,

990
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: I'm starting to glorify culture that I don't participate in.

991
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: Because if you are breaking the deals down, if you

992
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: are breaking you know, Joe Budden broke up, you are

993
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: are freak ocean twenty million dollar finago or jay Zon

994
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: even shot his brother like that's even something this But

995
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: when do you get to this place? You see what

996
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying but let's focus on Jay Z and King Von.

997
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: I'm so obsessed with that conversation. Let's stay there for

998
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: just a second.

999
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: Look, I'll be honest, I just I do kind of

1000
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,280
Speaker 2: disagree with what you just said because I think, firstly,

1001
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 2: King Von, I personally think Kingvon did have the money.

1002
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 3: He bought his mother a house outside of the city.

1003
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 2: And bear in mind, I feel like everything you just

1004
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 2: said that King Von, he couldn't have possibly got away.

1005
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 3: How comes Chief Keith.

1006
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: Got real hits man and he was rich a long time.

1007
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: You ain't give give him the time. These hits nowadays

1008
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 1: need time to stream wheel. They need time, bro, You

1009
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: know they need time. This ship, this ship for it

1010
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: to get a lot of streams. It's shit. It needs

1011
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: time for these guys to get this money and see

1012
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: this money. King Von wasn't in that situation, bro, Chief Keith.

1013
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: Even if you look at Chief Keith and King Von,

1014
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: financially we're talking. Chief Keith got on when Kanye West

1015
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:43,879
Speaker 1: was rolling through really active in music. That's a long time.

1016
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 3: But naw, that's this.

1017
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: And Vaughan stayed independent and he tweeted that he was

1018
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 2: turning down multiple at tweeting he could have taken a

1019
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: multi million dollar deals anytime. And Chief Keith signed a

1020
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 2: bad label deal.

1021
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 1: So Chief Keith was kind of down on that. King

1022
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: Von was That's not true. Chief Keif had hits. He's

1023
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 1: been a part of producing. He's been a part of

1024
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: too much, Bro, He's been a part of too much.

1025
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 1: King Vaughn didn't even get a chance to get all

1026
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: his features going. He didn't get a chance to really

1027
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: get his feet under him. Bro. I ain't talking about

1028
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: the little features like with rapp Niggas I just run

1029
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 1: into on tour. I'm talking about he didn't get a

1030
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 1: chance to really plan, to really really really get a

1031
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 1: good run at the music. Him and Chief Keith financially.

1032
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: That's not a good conversation, Dirk and Chief Keith. Dirk

1033
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,720
Speaker 1: smothering Keith. But as far as King vaugh he didn't

1034
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 1: have enough money to run away and just check out

1035
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: the game. He didn't have that kind of money. And

1036
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 1: you're talking to me about tweets and it's almost disrespectful.

1037
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: But I'm a content creator, so I know I gotta

1038
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: deal with this, right. It's cool. I accept it, But Bro,

1039
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm telling you from experience, I had to come out

1040
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: the trenches, my nigga, I come out of this. These

1041
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: niggas don't have the money you think they have. And

1042
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: I'm the nigga they used to come borrow from. They

1043
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: don't have what you think they have. Brother, they con men.

1044
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: That's what you ain't for you to have studied. I

1045
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,240
Speaker 1: coach all this time and not No rappers are lying

1046
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: on the mic or not know that. Rappers are tweeting bullshit.

1047
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: A lot of them don't know they business. A lot

1048
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: of them in bad deals. These rap dudes are not

1049
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 1: what they portray to be. But I understand it. When

1050
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: you that far away, you have no clue.

1051
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: See you're saying Vaughn and jay Z, it's a.

1052
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: Cap No jay Z, no what you mean. It's not

1053
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: all kept. I'm saying the amount of money that Vaughn

1054
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 1: needed to be in a situation to check out the game,

1055
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: a game that has been a game that's been developed

1056
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: in a city in America, one of the most one

1057
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: of the power the powerful country in the world called

1058
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 1: Shyreck because it resembles war, young men being killed. For

1059
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: him to check out of that game. For him to

1060
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 1: check out of that game, he need a certain amount

1061
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: of money. My brother how much. I don't know. It

1062
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: depends on his fan It depends on how many kids

1063
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: he got, you know what I'm saying. Then it depends

1064
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: on his information, what information he got, because maybe he

1065
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: had enough money for a nigga with some information, but

1066
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 1: a young nigga with no information might need a twenty

1067
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: million dollar play to feel like I can really leave

1068
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: from around here because he don't know no better. And

1069
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: dude did. Trust what I'm telling you, Dude didn't get

1070
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: enough leg room. Man, he didn't get to live with

1071
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: those hits long enough to really get to see the

1072
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: money that you probably thinking he had, and turning down

1073
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar deal says none to loan, because it's

1074
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: about the terms, not the money. Any time you get

1075
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 1: into this business, you learned that it's never about the money.

1076
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 1: It's always about the terms. So they may gave him

1077
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar deal to own all this shit and

1078
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: he's like, no, that don't make sense right, So again,

1079
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: that's that's my opinion.

1080
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: He I mean, listen, he allegedly had a hundred thousand

1081
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 2: dollars to spend on getting his enemies assassinated.

1082
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: You think that's the money listen, if he's got.

1083
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,240
Speaker 2: The money to arrange hits after he's already a millionaire,

1084
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 2: I feel like he has the money.

1085
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,479
Speaker 1: Let me play, Let me play.

1086
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 2: Let me playing talking about We're just talking about Von

1087
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,920
Speaker 2: though I'm not trying to make a blanket staate no community.

1088
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me let me, let me play. Let me

1089
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,359
Speaker 1: play into what you're saying as if I'm King Von.

1090
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: And of course this is alleged. I don't believe this

1091
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: stuff to be true. Anytime I'm speaking to a white man.

1092
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:27,400
Speaker 1: Anytime I'm speaking to a white man, ain't nobody killed nobody.

1093
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: Nobody ever killed nobody. When I'm speaking to a white man,

1094
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: you hit me, so we get answer that. But I

1095
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: want you to know about the King Vaughn thing. I'm

1096
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: let me play into what you're saying, that he spent

1097
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: the honey k. That ain't no money, family, nigga a

1098
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 1: honey k for me if if I got to knock

1099
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 1: a few people off to feel safe around here, because see,

1100
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that I think, again, you're not

1101
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,800
Speaker 1: paying attention to right once they mark me. It's almost

1102
00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 1: like in one of these video games, they got a

1103
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: boundary on me. If I could take care of somebody

1104
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: that got the boundary on me. They might send a

1105
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: message to calm everything down. So some of what I

1106
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 1: do may be out of safety. But I don't even

1107
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: believe half of the shit that's been reported to the internet.

1108
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 1: I don't believe that. I don't believe. So you can't

1109
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: we can move on because you can't answer that. I can,

1110
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: But you can't answer to what what similarities to Jay

1111
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: Z and King Vaughan Ham.

1112
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 2: I answered that already they both came out of difficult environments.

1113
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: So it is the criminal it ain't the rapid No, no, no.

1114
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about criminality here. I said they

1115
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 2: came out difficult environments.

1116
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 1: Difficulty causes you to be in criminal activity.

1117
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 3: I didn't say that.

1118
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying that because I grew up in difficulty. That's

1119
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 1: why I want you to you're talking to a member.

1120
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: You're not talking to a content guy. You talk I'm

1121
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: a member. So I'm telling you if I grew up

1122
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: in difficulty, I got to deal with criminal activity to

1123
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: get out of difficulty. That's part of what I have

1124
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 1: to do. So those two and did that. What about

1125
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: the music do they have in common that draws you

1126
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 1: to like those two individuals, seeing that you cited jay

1127
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: Z shot his brother at twelve, that was one of

1128
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,919
Speaker 1: your first stories. And King Vaughan Beef and his shit

1129
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: is you've been attached to that for a while. Help

1130
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: me understand the similarities.

1131
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing I think I did kind of

1132
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 2: touch on this, but I'll kind of go go out

1133
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: of again from another angle, which is, you know, the

1134
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: thing that really attracted me to to I guess to

1135
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: jay Z and a lot of other artists is that we.

1136
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Can we do them together? Say the can? We can we?

1137
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Because you'll you'll get me over there on this jay Zing.

1138
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 3: They are different, it's different and from a different.

1139
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: Era, right, but similarities what draws you to? Right, If

1140
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: you like jay Z, see, the more you like it

1141
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,799
Speaker 1: is the less you like it. That right, If I'm

1142
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: in love with jay Z music, oh my god, I

1143
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: love how jay Z just his style, his flow, his

1144
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: like And then the next person that I love is

1145
00:50:57,000 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: King Vaughn is like, all right, what's the similarities there? Music?

1146
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 2: I think I think that's kind of like a foot

1147
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 2: of a sort of you're creating like a sort of

1148
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: false fallacy because I love King Von and his mu Well.

1149
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:10,879
Speaker 2: I love King Von's music, I love jay Z's music.

1150
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 2: I love Little Yochty, I love Yeat. You know there's

1151
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: there's there's future son.

1152
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 1: I like story of Yachty, story, I see stories.

1153
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,040
Speaker 3: I got yo Ey.

1154
00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I haven't done Yeat.

1155
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 3: I might do Yeat soon. I might eat soon.

1156
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: So but but I'm saying, music wise, can we get

1157
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: any clear distinguishable what artist?

1158
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: I've given my answer, but you're not accepting.

1159
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: Okay, Let's move on. Like I said, maybe maybe maybe

1160
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:36,640
Speaker 1: the people say, hey, I got the answer, because I

1161
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: don't hear it. I'm not hearing hip hop when you

1162
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: say when it comes from a difficult and you know

1163
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:42,000
Speaker 1: to do it adverse.

1164
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me let me just try to

1165
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 2: add a little bit more to that, because I think

1166
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 2: I think maybe I need to just communicate a little

1167
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 2: bit more context, because I think they both come from

1168
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: these difficult environments. And if you let me just get

1169
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: if I get to the next stage their music Vonn's

1170
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: music and jay Z's music and hell Little Duck's music,

1171
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: to these artists that I'm really into. The music gives

1172
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 2: you a window into that environment. I didn't grow up

1173
00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: in Oblock. I've never been to the Marsi projects. You know,

1174
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 2: maybe one day, who knows. But listening to this music,

1175
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 2: like listening to King Von's music and jay Z's music,

1176
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: they're both amazing rappers. Like say what you want about

1177
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 2: what Von did in the streets, but when he got

1178
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: on the mic and he started rapping, he was amazing.

1179
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 2: He told amazing stories, vivid, deep storytelling, which you could

1180
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: definitely say the same thing about jay Z. And they

1181
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: would build a picture. There's old jay Z songs and

1182
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 2: there's King Von songs. You put on the headphones, you

1183
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: shut your eyes, and you listen to that description of

1184
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: roaches on the walls.

1185
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

1186
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 2: People I don't know, people fighting outside outside the front

1187
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: door in Marci or whatever. And he paints a picture

1188
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 2: and you look, I haven't been there. I can't say

1189
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: I know what it's like. But I would listen to

1190
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: jay Z's songs and King Von songs and it gives

1191
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: me a window, like an insight into this lifestyle that

1192
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: these guys are living. And it's those stories, those pieces

1193
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 2: of art that they've made, which is a talent, a

1194
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 2: skill like Von was a talented artist. He was able

1195
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 2: to paint a picture of O Block so that someone

1196
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,919
Speaker 2: like me that never have been there would maybe get,

1197
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: you know, a small percentage of understanding of what it's like,

1198
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: like what he went through and his story, and both

1199
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: jay Z and King Von through I think painting these

1200
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: pictures of the experiences that they had been through. That

1201
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 2: talent was rewarded by the music industry and they both

1202
00:53:17,160 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 2: became very successful. Now we disagree on how successful Von became,

1203
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 2: and you know that's that's fine, But I think that's

1204
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: the thing I just want to communicate is it's the

1205
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,919
Speaker 2: storytelling and the artistry that I think puts them together.

1206
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: Because let's be real, like, no disrespect to anybody, but

1207
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: the artistry of say a King Von and a Rondo

1208
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 2: number nine, it's on a different level. The way King

1209
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: Von told the story and painted a picture is above damn,

1210
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: near ninety five percent of Chicago rappers. Full sty was

1211
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 2: a legend because of how good it are.

1212
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: So I know, I know some people are gonna say, Lord,

1213
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,439
Speaker 1: his hip hop card has to be revoked. At this point,

1214
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 1: he's comparing jay Z music to King Vaughn's music. This

1215
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: is what I mean can you tell me any similarities

1216
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: between drill music and drug dealer music? Like the this

1217
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 1: is not a comparison, bro in my opinion, And I'm

1218
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: saying from I'm a hip hop baby, so I gotta

1219
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: I gotta put my side out, like that's your side.

1220
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: You feel as though some some some storytelling that King

1221
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 1: Vaughan is doing, you know, aligns with what jay Z did.

1222
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: When I say jay Z did drug dealer rap, he

1223
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: did struggle drug dealer rap, and King Vaughn is doing

1224
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 1: drill music, I don't see anything.

1225
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 2: But that's a struggle drills. You know, the drill music

1226
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 2: is about struggle in my drill music. Drill music developed

1227
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 2: over like you know, ten fifteen years after the kind

1228
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 2: of mafiosa rap because you've got someone like jay Z, right,

1229
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 2: jay Z's music influenced a new generation of people. Like

1230
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 2: let's say, I don't know Rick Ross, who you know.

1231
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:43,280
Speaker 2: I know you're saying a lot of rappers a phony, gonna.

1232
00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:45,879
Speaker 1: Say their phony. I say they exaggerate their con men,

1233
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: not phony. They just exaggerate.

1234
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 2: But Rick Ross is probably a perfect example of that.

1235
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 2: As they say he was a corrections officer, but then

1236
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: he's on the Mic talking about he's selling hundred kilos

1237
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: of coke. Right, so he's a good example of that,

1238
00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: whereas I think jay Z's more authentic. But regardless, you

1239
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 2: got someone like jay Z and that that form of

1240
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 2: like mafiosa gangster rap is sort of evolving. And then

1241
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: you have people like Rick Ross emerging.

1242
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 1: But that involved to Rick Ross. That didn't involve in

1243
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: the King Vaughn. What King Vaughn was the evolvement of

1244
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: a Chief Keef. Yeah, right, So this is what I'm

1245
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: bear in mind. These are not King Keith. Hip Hop

1246
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: has it fruit off trees. Right, there's fruit off and

1247
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: you say, you study hip hop, so you should know that.

1248
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: Like when you look at the jay Z thing, you

1249
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: see a Ross, you see a Meek, you see this

1250
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: is the fruit off of that j tree. What King

1251
00:55:35,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: Vaughn landed had nothing to do with that with the

1252
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:43,120
Speaker 1: drug dealer mafioso style rapping shit, right, you know.

1253
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,239
Speaker 2: The thing that bridges them together. I would say the

1254
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,360
Speaker 2: thing that bridges those two genres of music together is

1255
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: trap music. I'm talking like two thousand and six at Lansa,

1256
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 2: like Gucci Mayne, because the whole trap music here of

1257
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 2: like Gucci Mane, you know what I'm saying, all of

1258
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 2: his different trap music type things, even like Ti the

1259
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 2: sort of like trunk like rubber band Man, that was

1260
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:03,560
Speaker 2: all about drug dealing. But I think over time, this

1261
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 2: this Atlanta wave of trap where you had like Gucci

1262
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 2: Mane catching a murder case and then he's jumping on

1263
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 2: songs talking about go dig your partner up. I think

1264
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 2: trap music over time became quite violent, but that was

1265
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: born out of sort of drug dealer rap. Then it

1266
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 2: was you had people like t I, Gucci Mane talking

1267
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 2: about we're trapping in Atlanta at the text, and then that.

1268
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,680
Speaker 1: Was a right Gucci man was alone in that trap music.

1269
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 3: Was wrong man?

1270
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: Who else was he? Who else was like really disendoran

1271
00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: and he kind of started the wave. He really didn't

1272
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: nobody else was really doing that. In the South, you

1273
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,959
Speaker 1: had Tip doing drug Dealer Rep. You had Jeezy drug

1274
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: Dealer Rep. Ross, drug Dealer Rep. Everybody just was was

1275
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 1: kind of rap or they were dancing. Nobody else was

1276
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: doing the this ship did this ship go ahead?

1277
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:49,160
Speaker 2: But well, that's what I'm trying to say is that

1278
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 2: like in my opinion, this is just me, This is

1279
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 2: just I'm just cooking off the top of my head, right,

1280
00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: fair enough, But it's a good conversation. But I think

1281
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 2: I personally think if I was just gonna give my

1282
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 2: honest opinion, I think was it was trap music that

1283
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: came from the kind of gangster rap, mafiosa rap where

1284
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,880
Speaker 2: you had people like Ti g Z. Then the g

1285
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: Z Gucci beef escalated into violence, and then I think

1286
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: trap music became slightly more violent. But then it was

1287
00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 2: like Chief Keif came out, you're talking like twenty ten

1288
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: in Chicago, but he was already he was not the

1289
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: original first person to do drill. Like you had a

1290
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: guy in pac Man. Sorry, you had a guy in

1291
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 2: Chicago called pac Man that was creating what was called

1292
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 2: drill music, and that was like heavily Atlanta inspired to

1293
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: begin with. Because a lot of these early Chief Keith

1294
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 2: beats they're kind of like they're kind of like really

1295
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 2: sort of hard, sort of like reformulated versions of trap.

1296
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like you gotta tap into the South to

1297
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,120
Speaker 1: be effective, right, we got out.

1298
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 3: Of each That's what I mean. That's what I mean.

1299
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 1: You're talking beats, I'm talking about the content. So the content, Yeah,

1300
00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 1: when you dealt with the Gucci Man. He stood on

1301
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 1: a mountain along dissing. He was dising because that beef

1302
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: didn't allegedly turn into something. So he was dissing. Nobody

1303
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:03,440
Speaker 1: else was dissing right now.

1304
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 2: But but when this is the thing though, It's like

1305
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 2: when Chief Keith first came out, the music wasn't necessarily

1306
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: all about dissing. And this, I think this goes back

1307
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: to what I was saying about why Vaughn I think

1308
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: is a good artist, because I think the same reason

1309
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 2: why Chief Keith was such a good artist when he

1310
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: came out in like twenty ten, and he's dropping songs

1311
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 2: like three hun A or like I don't like those

1312
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 2: those beats, you know, we're talking like young chop beats

1313
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,920
Speaker 2: that are kind of they're quite Atlanta focused, but then

1314
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:29,640
Speaker 2: they're sort of like they've got their own completely unique,

1315
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: original flavor and those songs. Originally, like Chief Keith at

1316
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 2: the start, he was repping his crew, but he was

1317
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 2: never dissing. The whole smoking Tuca thing. That didn't come

1318
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 2: until a couple of years later.

1319
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:43,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, But so they were what they were talking about drilling,

1320
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,439
Speaker 1: like seeing the South again. It was drug dilla raut.

1321
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: It was you know, gotta bi Leon twenty folds. Yeah,

1322
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: you know, it was dead up there. It was looking

1323
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: for them niggas with the heater, with the niggers. It

1324
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: was it was like, I'm hunting. I'm not sad, I'm

1325
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:01,959
Speaker 1: with the shit. That's that's you. You talking about beasts.

1326
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm talking about content content.

1327
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: Right, But but that But that's the thing.

1328
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 3: I think.

1329
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm trying to talk about it holistically, but I think

1330
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 2: both things influence each other.

1331
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 3: But I think you're right.

1332
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 2: You know, when Chief Keith was first picking up steam,

1333
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 2: he wasn't drug dealing, he wasn't making money, he wasn't

1334
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: they were just they were just sitting around saying that

1335
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 2: they don't like not basically, that's the thing. But he

1336
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 2: was the originator. That's the thing I think it's important

1337
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 2: to remember. I think the Beats were influenced by Atlanta

1338
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:31,320
Speaker 2: and it's sort of like two thousand and six Atlanta era,

1339
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:34,280
Speaker 2: Trap era, that was the biggest thing. Chief Keith kind

1340
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: of came along. He took elements of that. He put

1341
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 2: his nose spin on it. It's all Chicago, it's all

1342
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,720
Speaker 2: about violence because he's growing up in that environment. And

1343
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,320
Speaker 2: then over time Chicago. Drill became the biggest thing going,

1344
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,959
Speaker 2: and it got more and more violent. But Chief Key's

1345
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 2: earliest songs they're not all about dissing and drilling. A

1346
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 2: lot of it's just sort of about, you know, we're

1347
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: on the block, we're smoking, like giving people a what's

1348
00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 2: the word like a window?

1349
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 1: Growing up, I was hearing like I don't like and

1350
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: all of that shit was a bunch of young niggas

1351
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:07,919
Speaker 1: with gods. They had never seen no shit like this.

1352
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 1: This had never nigga. We what a bunch of niggas

1353
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: with a k's and it's k's and video talking about

1354
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: David were looking for them. Niggas bet not come over

1355
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: here with that bullshit. That's what that's that's the fruit

1356
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: that King Vaughan came up under right, I'm telling you

1357
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 1: that that's something totally different than what was happening in

1358
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: the South. We will show you the big cause, we'll

1359
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: try to show you the house that ain't ours. The

1360
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: boot gott it, it ain't ours, the bit lit, it

1361
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: ain't ours. Somebody nicklaces, that ain't our. We we the

1362
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: you know, we're trying to make you bite into it.

1363
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 1: Up there, them young niggas look dirty with them choppers.

1364
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 2: But the thing is, you know, I think all of

1365
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: these different eras of hip hop over the years have

1366
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 2: influenced the next. And then even between that, you know,

1367
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: between the sort of like trap Atlanta wave and the

1368
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: Chicago drill waves. Then you've got people like you know,

1369
01:00:57,680 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 2: there's been a whole long history of a lot of

1370
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 2: music coming out of like Louisiana, New Orleans. You know,

1371
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: the cash Money, Lil Wayne stuff, which that was a

1372
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: really interesting era because that was more like the Bling

1373
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: era cash money. It was all about showing off diamonds, cars,

1374
01:01:10,200 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 2: the Bentley's. But then there was also a little bit

1375
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 2: of an undertone of violence of you know, this creating

1376
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 2: painting a picture of this environment, the Magnolia projects.

1377
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 1: You know, you all view it as violence from now

1378
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: it's culture from the right.

1379
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: Sure, no, I agree, but that that's the content of

1380
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 2: the music. And I'm only saying that. I'm only pinpointing

1381
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 2: that violence as to say that came before we had

1382
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 2: someone like Chief Keith. I don't think Chief Keith was

1383
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 2: the first person to ever think I'm gonna hop on

1384
01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:39,800
Speaker 2: a song.

1385
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:40,400
Speaker 3: And Sam.

1386
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: As in the video, that was the first time this

1387
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: was ever seen that. Yeah, that changed Chicago. That whole

1388
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: wave right there changed Chicago. And Vann was under there.

1389
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 1: They come up under the world that that ship was

1390
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,520
Speaker 1: creating in down South, there wasn't happening yet. Now it's happening.

1391
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: Now our young niggas got there. I'm telling you what

1392
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 1: I know. See you all and that's what I'm saying, bro,

1393
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: you and the I'm telling you, I'm a member of this.

1394
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: I'm telling you what one hundred percent I know. In

1395
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: the South, we was not rocking like that. When nim

1396
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 1: young niggas done that, it turned that young niggas up.

1397
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1398
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,560
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree, and I think something that I

1399
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 2: want to say that's really interesting that maybe people mess Look,

1400
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,920
Speaker 2: you can tell I'm no gang banging dude, But at

1401
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 2: the same time, when I moved back to London, I

1402
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of money. I lived in an

1403
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: area that was kind of rough, and essentially before my

1404
01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:35,720
Speaker 2: YouTube channel really took off and went anywhere, I actually

1405
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 2: became you know, you used the word earlier obsessed. Maybe

1406
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 2: that's the right word, Maybe that's the wrong word. But

1407
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 2: I was living in a in a in a hood.

1408
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: Let's say, right, I was living in a in a

1409
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,479
Speaker 2: block that was affiliated with a very well known group

1410
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 2: of drill rappers in London called four ten. Right, I

1411
01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 2: was living in their area and beginning to learn about

1412
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: all the music and the stuff that was going on

1413
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,959
Speaker 2: in the area, Like these guys have a music video

1414
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 2: that they filmed like in front of my in the

1415
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:01,959
Speaker 2: building that I lived in. Right, So I was sort

1416
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 2: of living in London and experiencing and bear in mind

1417
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,560
Speaker 2: all of the London UK drill originally it was heavily

1418
01:03:08,560 --> 01:03:11,439
Speaker 2: influenced by Chicago drill. So bear in mind we don't

1419
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: have guns as much in the UK, but we've got

1420
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 2: guys with music videos where they're holding knives and machetes

1421
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 2: at the camera. It's the whole gang in Balaclava's putting

1422
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 2: all of that stuff into their music. And there were

1423
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,920
Speaker 2: a lot of murders in the area that I was

1424
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: living in, and you know, I would go and sort

1425
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: of see the crime scene and then go and hear

1426
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 2: about the song that was talking about the murder that

1427
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:30,960
Speaker 2: had happened in my area in London. But a lot

1428
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 2: of that stuff was influenced by Chicago. And what I'm

1429
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:35,000
Speaker 2: trying to say, is that I actually agree with what

1430
01:03:35,040 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: you're saying. I'm not saying I was involved, but I

1431
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: when I moved back to London, I was living in

1432
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 2: an area where this kind of waste taking influence and

1433
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: that was something that to me that was like, it

1434
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 2: was very interesting, it was very It really made me

1435
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,440
Speaker 2: reflect on the influence of Chicago drill because if you

1436
01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 2: don't know too much about the UK drill scene, it's

1437
01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: so heavily influenced by Chicago. And you've got a lot

1438
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: of these young guys in the UK in London running

1439
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 2: around with ives, trying to do the Chicago thing. They

1440
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 2: want to get known for sling narrow well at least.

1441
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,120
Speaker 1: For over here. Again, see, I have respect for culture,

1442
01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: so I can't say why they doing it. But over

1443
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: here I know that it's a fight to get out

1444
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: this ship. So if it if they think that, I

1445
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 1: get turned up. If I'm a real one, if that's

1446
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: what gets me turned up, is that I stick by

1447
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,479
Speaker 1: what I say, then they gonna do that, you see,

1448
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: And and they they lost in that. Right, Let's talk

1449
01:04:26,800 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: about because we'll move on from the Jay z And

1450
01:04:31,240 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 1: and King Vaughn thing. Let's speak about when you got

1451
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: to a place to make the King Von documentary. What

1452
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: made you name King Von a serial killer?

1453
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1454
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 2: So I I had covered King Von when he was

1455
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 2: still alive. So I did three videos about Von and

1456
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: in one of those videos, you know, I mentioned the

1457
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: whole situation with k I where you know, he had

1458
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: had years of history beefing with this girl on Twitter,

1459
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: you know, saying that he wanted to kill her, saying

1460
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 2: that he was trying to catch her, saying that he'd

1461
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:04,520
Speaker 2: beaten her up. You know, whether or not you want

1462
01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 2: to believe the stuff that said on Twitter is real,

1463
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 2: you know. A and he made a documentary about King

1464
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 2: Vaughn and Ki, and you know he was in the

1465
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 2: documentary talking about their beef. And you know, I covered

1466
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 2: that story whilst King Von was still alive. And that

1467
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 2: was actually before the Chicago Clice had come out and

1468
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 2: said that, you know, they believed that he was the

1469
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 2: culprit in that case. So I had covered King Von

1470
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: and you know it's in my No Jumper interview with

1471
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,280
Speaker 2: aout him twenty two. But essentially, you know, this was

1472
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: when Vaughn was alive and Vonn and his crew pressed me.

1473
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,680
Speaker 2: You know, they got in touch and they were going

1474
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,360
Speaker 2: to take my channel down. They did three copyright strikes

1475
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 2: on my channel. They said my videos had songs in

1476
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 2: them Von songs, which they didn't, and they were going

1477
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:43,640
Speaker 2: to take the channel down. And you know, they got

1478
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 2: in touch with me and they basically said to me.

1479
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 1: Was this after the document Hero before, this is the

1480
01:05:47,680 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 1: earlier stories.

1481
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:51,680
Speaker 2: This is twenty twenty. Yeah, one, Vaughn's alive. Yeah, because

1482
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 2: he was like tweeting around about this stuff. But they

1483
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: basically said to me, like, if you go in the

1484
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 2: channel dashboard and edit out any of the mentions of

1485
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 2: this girl, well we'll let you have your channel back, basically.

1486
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,640
Speaker 2: And I was kind of shook. I was like, okay,

1487
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 2: I'll do it.

1488
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 3: I did it.

1489
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 2: They let me have my chower back. I was like,

1490
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk on Vaughan again. Ship got

1491
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 2: too real, to be honest. But the weird thing that

1492
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 2: I found is that, you know, as time went on,

1493
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:17,080
Speaker 2: I'm not covering Von anymore, but his star continues to rise.

1494
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: He gets more and more famous. He's billboard charting, you know,

1495
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:24,840
Speaker 2: he's performing huge venues. He's catching this case with little Dirk,

1496
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: and and so time keeps going on and more and

1497
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 2: more Von lyrics are coming out, and like, like we

1498
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: said earlier, I would say that I did become obsessed

1499
01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 2: with Vaughn as an artist. I became obsessed with his music.

1500
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: Anytime Vaughn dropped.

1501
01:06:37,160 --> 01:06:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, you say that is you do know that

1502
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,200
Speaker 1: it's not healthy. Though upset listen session is not a hill.

1503
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 3: I agree.

1504
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think it's normal to

1505
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 2: make a three and a half of our video anything.

1506
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:56,640
Speaker 1: So I'm a weird you are a gainst You're keeping

1507
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:57,200
Speaker 1: against her.

1508
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:00,760
Speaker 2: It's not normal, bro, I'm not I'm not a normal dude.

1509
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: So that is what it is. But as time was

1510
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 2: going on, you know, I was seeing more and more

1511
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 2: Von songs come out. And let's be real, like whether

1512
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: or not you believe Von did anything or did the

1513
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,760
Speaker 2: things he said he was dropping. He dropped like five

1514
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 2: or six songs where he said I have seven bodies.

1515
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 2: You know, there's the I think it's the audio Mac freestyle.

1516
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: He says, let's talk about bodies. I got several, and

1517
01:07:20,560 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 2: then in the ad libs he's saying I got seven.

1518
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 2: He's got that other song where he says, let's talk bodies,

1519
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 2: I've got a few three plus four as he say,

1520
01:07:29,480 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: four plus three, three plus two counting his bodies. He's

1521
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:37,080
Speaker 2: got another lyric where he says he's talking about I

1522
01:07:37,080 --> 01:07:39,080
Speaker 2: don't want to say the words, but it's a word

1523
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,560
Speaker 2: beginning with D that' she used to refer to lesbian women.

1524
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 2: But he's saying, you know, I shoot everybody in the

1525
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 2: N words and the D words in this bitch saying

1526
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:48,800
Speaker 2: he shoots women. And over time, because I'd already done

1527
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 2: research into Von's story and got in trouble for it,

1528
01:07:52,080 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking, like, I can't believe he

1529
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 2: is still out here saying this stuff, saying more stuff,

1530
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 2: and just like you know, I was watching it, thinking,

1531
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,400
Speaker 2: any any day now, this guy is going to catch

1532
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,320
Speaker 2: the rico and get arrested, surely. And that's just as

1533
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:09,520
Speaker 2: a as a fan, and so I was honestly a

1534
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: big fan of Vonn's music. You know, it was it

1535
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: was heartbreaking to find out that he died, you know,

1536
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 2: when he passed away.

1537
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,000
Speaker 3: That was very man.

1538
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 1: Do you believe everything that rappers rap about?

1539
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 3: I don't believe everything rap that.

1540
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:32,240
Speaker 1: There's some some room for lies, for lack of a

1541
01:08:32,240 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 1: better term, for exaggeration in reps absolutely.

1542
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: And you know, we spoke a minute ago about Rick Ross.

1543
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 2: You know, Rick Ross was one of these artists where

1544
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,360
Speaker 2: it sort of was an open secret that he was

1545
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: embellishing his past. But here's the thing that I think

1546
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 2: I find really frustrating about the bad reaction to my

1547
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 2: Von video. When Von was alive, all anyone wanted to

1548
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 2: talk about was Von is the realist?

1549
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:54,920
Speaker 1: Von?

1550
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: Really about what he says? Von the realist? Von really

1551
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 2: did this ship. And so for everybody to kind of

1552
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: come out now after either analyze his lyrics and say

1553
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 2: it's all cap it just to me seems really disingenuous.

1554
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,280
Speaker 3: Point. The whole appeal was.

1555
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: The right, let me answer that real in comparison, right,

1556
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: A lot of the raptures so fake. If he twenty

1557
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 1: percent of if he ten percent of what he was saying,

1558
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: he really see that again, it's off. It's it's the

1559
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 1: it's it's the you. You really don't know what you're

1560
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: looking at, right, You get you you hearing it, but

1561
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,759
Speaker 1: you don't know what the backdrop is. I would say

1562
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:37,120
Speaker 1: that it's in comparison when I say I'm the richest

1563
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,439
Speaker 1: nigga in the room, that's right into the baby walk

1564
01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: in the room. I'm talking to my dogs. I'm the

1565
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: richest rhying this motherfucker to the baby show up, he

1566
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 1: the richest, to p show up. He the riches to

1567
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: Jay show up. You see what I'm saying. So it's

1568
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 1: it's in comparison to so people who know rappers, who

1569
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: have been engaged with rappers have out themselves engaged with

1570
01:10:01,400 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: Vaughn and said, oh he he a little different than

1571
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: these rap niggas. The rap niggas because when you get

1572
01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:10,519
Speaker 1: behind the scenes somewhere, you probably never haven't been yet, right,

1573
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 1: because you're journalistic. The way you do your thing could

1574
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 1: get you some places you might not have been there yet.

1575
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:19,320
Speaker 1: But once you get behind the scenes and get to see,

1576
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: oh shit, right, And not that all these rappers are fake,

1577
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 1: I want you to know that they are not running

1578
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:28,200
Speaker 1: criminal enterprises. They don't have a lot of these guys

1579
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: were not the biggest dope boy even in their own neighborhoods.

1580
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,080
Speaker 1: So for even Vonn to be a shot call the

1581
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:37,640
Speaker 1: where he come from, it's just a different than the

1582
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,879
Speaker 1: rap niggas because the rap niggas come up under somebody

1583
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: most time. Right, So I think because Vaughn came in

1584
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:48,160
Speaker 1: with a little bit of rep on this belt, whether

1585
01:10:48,240 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 1: that's as much as you believe it to be or

1586
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 1: as little as other people believe it to be. Just

1587
01:10:53,960 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 1: having some in comparison to most rappers places him as

1588
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: amongst the realists in the game.

1589
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 3: I get what you say.

1590
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 2: I do agree with you know, there's there's different levels

1591
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,920
Speaker 2: of realness. And you know there's people supposedly with with

1592
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,080
Speaker 2: more bodies than Von, like you say, you know, Vonn

1593
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: is not the biggest ever been alleged. I hate no,

1594
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:15,200
Speaker 2: but that's that's that's that's the topic. That's the topic.

1595
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:18,000
Speaker 2: Like and you know, I appreciate what you're saying. And

1596
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,840
Speaker 2: there is a spectrum of realness when it comes to rap.

1597
01:11:21,280 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 2: You know, you got your Rick Ross, you got your

1598
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 2: little babies, you got your King Von, you got your

1599
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 2: take A's okay, and so there is a spectrum. But

1600
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 2: come on, man, you can't tell me that when King

1601
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 2: Von was alive, people were saying he was twenty percent real.

1602
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:36,400
Speaker 2: The whole appeal, the whole the King Von was that

1603
01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 2: that Von was one hundred percent the realist out that's.

1604
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:39,400
Speaker 3: Whatever it says.

1605
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:43,120
Speaker 1: But again, you guys from outside the culture, your scales

1606
01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 1: are off. When people are saying he's one hundred percent real,

1607
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 1: he's real. What they're saying is in comparison to the rappers,

1608
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: he's not the realist streak du He's not the biggest

1609
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: killing in the world, none of their shit, and we

1610
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 1: don't talk about killings. I even hate talking about this

1611
01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 1: kind of shit, right, But look, yeah, but again, I

1612
01:12:03,320 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: believe Vaughn to be an artist. I believe Vonn to

1613
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: be painting some picture from where he come from. I

1614
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: believe the circumstances around Vaughn what he saw was that

1615
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:16,360
Speaker 1: detrimental to his vision. You know. I believe his mouth

1616
01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 1: to be a just a portal from what his mind

1617
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 1: to have seen. That's what I believe. I don't know

1618
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:24,439
Speaker 1: that him had been doing all of that, bro without

1619
01:12:24,479 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 1: any conviction of those things. That's me. That's me being

1620
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 1: in the trenches. You ain't never been to the trenches.

1621
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:34,120
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to get you to understand that. When

1622
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,640
Speaker 1: they say that King Vaughan is one of the realists

1623
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: or he the realists in the game, these rap dues

1624
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: do his floy as shit is to give you their

1625
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: phone number and then don't answer the texts you know

1626
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: these rep what I'm telling you, they putting it. They

1627
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: not talking the criminal element that I believe you to

1628
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,800
Speaker 1: be talking about. Now here's another element to it. I

1629
01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,840
Speaker 1: want you to understand. Most of these guys broke. So

1630
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,719
Speaker 1: when they go do say cheese, TV interviews and cam

1631
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 1: compone in, they need that check. The vlaty, they need

1632
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:07,759
Speaker 1: that check. I'm gonna say what needs to be said

1633
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 1: to be booked. I need to be booked. I'm trying

1634
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:12,719
Speaker 1: to pay my bills now. I ain't putting a whole

1635
01:13:12,720 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: bunch of you know, I'm gonna put a little some

1636
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 1: on it. I ain't gonna but I'm gonna say what

1637
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:18,760
Speaker 1: needs to be said for him to bring me back,

1638
01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 1: and we build on this. You know what I'm saying.

1639
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 1: So I need you to understand that everything game with

1640
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: no convictions. I'm curious as to how you got to

1641
01:13:27,479 --> 01:13:30,519
Speaker 1: a place where you were able to put all this

1642
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 1: together and call this guy's serial killer. When you went

1643
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: from making content to giving niggas diagnosis.

1644
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, right, I feel like this is where

1645
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: we're gonna get into it, because I think I just

1646
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: think it's so wrong and disingenuous for all of these

1647
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 2: people to come out and essentially gaslight the victims of

1648
01:13:48,240 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: von An act as if these murders never happened, because

1649
01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,880
Speaker 2: you've got at least seven people who are dead, and

1650
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,280
Speaker 2: von sure he wasn't convicted. This is the funny thing

1651
01:13:57,280 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: people keep saying, Oh, the Malcolm Stucky murder of almos

1652
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 2: put On, he was never convicted. Fine, but he said

1653
01:14:01,800 --> 01:14:04,200
Speaker 2: he killed the witness. And you know, there's a to

1654
01:14:04,240 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 2: a certain degree, if somebody doesn't get convicted of a crime,

1655
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 2: that's one thing. But if they're saying I got away

1656
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,240
Speaker 2: with it cause I killed the witness, I think at

1657
01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,280
Speaker 2: a certain point you just have to say, Okay, there's

1658
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 2: more to this than just were they convicted or not.

1659
01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 2: Because Von's on a bunch of songs saying he killed seven.

1660
01:14:18,479 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: People, any conviction, How can you do that?

1661
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 2: You can, because I think there's more ways whether.

1662
01:14:29,120 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 3: Or not something happened.

1663
01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:31,280
Speaker 2: And bear in mind, I'm not a lawyer, so I'm

1664
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:38,720
Speaker 2: not trying to convict Vaughan victims convicted. I'm proving. I'm

1665
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 2: proving his own lyrics. He's on a song saying I've

1666
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: got I've got seven bodies, and I'm saying, well, who

1667
01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 2: are they let me look into it. And I've looked

1668
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:45,400
Speaker 2: into it.

1669
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:46,200
Speaker 3: I found him.

1670
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 2: He's tweeting, Yes he did. It's always saying all these

1671
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,040
Speaker 2: different people that he was smoking on like and he did.

1672
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 2: Like he's on Twitter talking about who made who made

1673
01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,759
Speaker 2: crack World and a guy called crack killed days before

1674
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:02,439
Speaker 2: and he's.

1675
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: That's Chicago call area, that's another that's another poison that's

1676
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 1: in the wall in Chicago. They do that kind of

1677
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: ship like. I can tell you right now that they

1678
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:15,280
Speaker 1: got people that's on rico uh charges and ship because

1679
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: they're on the phone saying ship that ain't true. You know,

1680
01:15:18,240 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: they on the phone flexing to their homeboy. Man, I

1681
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: just man, I've been doing good today. I made a

1682
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 1: hundred recks today. Boy, that ship is being you. But

1683
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: it is so real. I take him at his word,

1684
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 1: his word. A lot of those clips you cut out right,

1685
01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:40,680
Speaker 1: a lot of those clips. When he was talking, he

1686
01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: might say, how many bodies I got, how many bodies

1687
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: I got, y'all, how many bodies I got.

1688
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:49,960
Speaker 3: Life, He's.

1689
01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I want you to from that.

1690
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: I want you to look at what you are pulling

1691
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:57,240
Speaker 1: from what he's doing, and I want you to say,

1692
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: what's disingenuous? Yo? How many bodies I got? Look y'all,

1693
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:03,040
Speaker 1: look they said, I gots it. Look they put five, six,

1694
01:16:03,160 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: they put the mother said I got said that D

1695
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: D D They right, I got, said I got. Now

1696
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm just playing. You cut out the now. I'm just playing,

1697
01:16:13,479 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: he said.

1698
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 2: He said, he said on oh, he said on O D.

1699
01:16:16,720 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 2: Perry's life, I got more I'm.

1700
01:16:18,120 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 1: Talking about And a lot of those clips he would say,

1701
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm just bullshit and I'm just playing. I'm just playing.

1702
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,080
Speaker 1: You would take that at the clip. You'll just take

1703
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,360
Speaker 1: the front Paul when he will say, nigga, I got

1704
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 1: four boyy, they better quit playing with us, And he

1705
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: might say I'm just playing in that same clip, you

1706
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 1: ignore that, But yet you taking them at his word.

1707
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 2: He's he's wore in his closest homies life that he

1708
01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: got more than five bodies.

1709
01:16:40,680 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: Like that don't mean nothing, Bro, You don't listen, and

1710
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: I ain't talking about Vaughn.

1711
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 3: On your life.

1712
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 1: Have you ever sworn somebody life?

1713
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 3: Who?

1714
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:57,960
Speaker 1: Yes, you ever had somebody die that you sworn their life,

1715
01:16:58,040 --> 01:17:00,639
Speaker 1: like in the field, in the in in some kind

1716
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,480
Speaker 1: of street war something like that. You ever did that,

1717
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 1: so I want you to check out of this one

1718
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 1: because you ain't never done this one.

1719
01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, I feel like if we

1720
01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,800
Speaker 2: take a step back, right, I think there's just something

1721
01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:16,960
Speaker 2: I'm important I really want to communicate, which is it's like,

1722
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 2: I understand where you're coming from, and I think you're

1723
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 2: rightfully trying to give me an education on how you

1724
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 2: see this with your cultural perspective, and I do respect that,

1725
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 2: but I also think that it's important for you to

1726
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 2: see things from maybe an outsider perspective and say, if

1727
01:17:32,439 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 2: a guy is running around saying he killed seven people,

1728
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 2: and he's got a whole industry behind him saying this

1729
01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 2: guy is the realist, he is no cap At what point,

1730
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 2: as a group of people that are fans of music, say, look,

1731
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 2: vonn was supposedly the realist. He said he killed seven people,

1732
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 2: here's the names of the seven people that died, and

1733
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 2: he's tweeting haha, six shots to the face minutes after

1734
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 2: they died. At what point can we all just say,

1735
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 2: look like, as a community, we've got to put her

1736
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 2: hands up and say murder is wrong.

1737
01:17:58,880 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 3: Right, You've got a.

1738
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 1: Whole yead larn and I'm not caping for Vaughn because

1739
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,439
Speaker 1: I don't know what he done. I'm telling you though,

1740
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: that you don't know what he done, and anything said

1741
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: with our context can be misunderstood. So I mean, no, listen,

1742
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 1: Vn ain't told you nothing. Your obsession told you everything, right,

1743
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: Vaughn ain't communicating nothing with you. Your interpretation. You calling

1744
01:18:20,680 --> 01:18:25,120
Speaker 1: these people victims. You diagnosing this man without any convictions

1745
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 1: or any real evidence, based on your understanding of a

1746
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,519
Speaker 1: culture you're not a part of. Here. I am an

1747
01:18:30,520 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 1: outstanding member telling you that it's Camp on rap shit

1748
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 1: outstanding member, and you won't accept that. You're telling me

1749
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 1: that they said Ron is the realist. I agree, Vonn

1750
01:18:42,520 --> 01:18:45,600
Speaker 1: may be the realist, but compare to these fuck niggas.

1751
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,120
Speaker 1: They not comparing Vaughn to the street guys. He rapping now,

1752
01:18:49,479 --> 01:18:52,000
Speaker 1: he trying to save his family. Now. He wanted the

1753
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: realists in this game because this game is full of

1754
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: boardshit a whole bunch of people that ain't even from

1755
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,000
Speaker 1: the culture. That's what's on with this game now.

1756
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 2: So let's say I accept your argument fully. You know

1757
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 2: I denounced my opinions. I completely ubcept your argument. What

1758
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 2: you're saying to me is that all of Von's lyrics

1759
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: a cap and he never killed anyone.

1760
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying that Vaughn is an artist. You're listening to

1761
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: music with millions of dollars of production involved in it.

1762
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:22,040
Speaker 1: You have been listened in on an inside conversation or

1763
01:19:22,880 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 1: any intimate details with him and his family. You're listening

1764
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: to production to music. This shit has a marketing budget.

1765
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 1: So this is creative talk. This is something you should accept.

1766
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 1: If you're not the victim, if you're not somebody that

1767
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:39,760
Speaker 1: had to bear with, somebody that could have been the

1768
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,120
Speaker 1: reason this situation happened, you need to accept this as

1769
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:47,240
Speaker 1: creativity because you don't know nothing else. Anything else is

1770
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:50,880
Speaker 1: assumption because you ain't been involved. And if I'm telling

1771
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 1: you as an outstanding member that the rap shits a

1772
01:19:54,840 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: lot of room in that, and I ain't calling the

1773
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 1: rap brothers all cap, I want my rap friends to know.

1774
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,879
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you the streets is a weird place, homie.

1775
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,800
Speaker 1: The streets is a fucking weird place that you ain't

1776
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: never ever ever seen. I'm telling you. For them dudes

1777
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:14,719
Speaker 1: to survive down there, they had to operate a certain way.

1778
01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 1: I don't see him having enough money to get out

1779
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 1: of that at that time when he passed away again,

1780
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,439
Speaker 1: R I P. Vaughan because I you know, we're just

1781
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 1: talking about a man like a man. Mama ain't involved.

1782
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,560
Speaker 1: And that's what I need you to understand. When you

1783
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: running around without any kind of degree of diploma diagnosing

1784
01:20:32,439 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: men in a culture you ain't had nothing to do with.

1785
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:38,040
Speaker 1: What about his mama? We get selfish chasing this shit?

1786
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: What about the seven mothers of the people that here.

1787
01:20:41,400 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: What are you giving them? A boy, what are you

1788
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 1: giving them by making a YouTube documentary and with you

1789
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 1: the only one benefit from they ain't getting nothing from

1790
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:50,000
Speaker 1: that documentary homing.

1791
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: What What about the millions of dollars Von made making

1792
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 2: music making fun of that dead relatives?

1793
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: What you got to do with that? Is what I'm saying.