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Speaker 3: Problem solved touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces.

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Speaker 1: All that was nasty right there right The latest news

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Speaker 4: Break it on, Break it on.

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Speaker 3: Touchdown Saving Holland swam to the ground by fooda baker

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Speaker 3: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul Calvic.

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Speaker 3: All right. According to Saturday Night Live, the football season

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Speaker 3: is already over. You guys see the cold open a

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Speaker 3: center at Live this last weekend.

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Speaker 4: I was made aware of that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't fill me in, Danny Surrek, Deren Irman,

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Speaker 3: yours truly poly podcast. It is Cardinal's Underground, brought to

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Speaker 3: you by Pacific Office Automation. Center. ATE Live says that

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl doesn't count as a real football game

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Speaker 3: because it's just about the commercials and the halftime show,

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Speaker 3: and that football has already ended. And so the whole

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Speaker 3: skit to open it was this whole lamenting that there's

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Speaker 3: nothing left to do on weekends, especially if you're a

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Speaker 3: middle aged guy and you have nothing else to do

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Speaker 3: with your weekend. And then they made snide little jokes

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Speaker 3: along the way that there's no other live TV worth

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Speaker 3: watching yu yuck, right, because that's where Saturday at Live

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Speaker 3: is other than NFL football these days. Of course, the

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Speaker 3: TV ratings do back that up, considering more than what

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Speaker 3: the top fifty three rated shows in America this last year,

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Speaker 3: we're all NFL games.

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Speaker 4: How do you feel about that concept as a non

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Speaker 4: middle aged guy?

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Speaker 2: What what concept?

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Speaker 4: The football one? That it's over and now we have

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Speaker 5: Well, it's not over, super Well, hasn't happened? Is not

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Speaker 5: the only answer. I'm confused by being set up for.

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Speaker 3: Something regardless of Danny always Danny, you're looking so deep

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Speaker 3: into this stuff. Danny always has more going on in

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Speaker 3: her weekends beyond football. Anyway, This is true. That's a

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Speaker 3: mood question either way, So it doesn't matter by the way,

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Speaker 3: speaking of this last weekend, I'm just here to say

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Speaker 3: what I do with them right here that guess what,

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Speaker 3: the socks, guess what? These didn't work. These didn't work.

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Speaker 4: They didn't work. The tags are still on them, so.

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Speaker 3: That that's right, just as proof I did not I

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Speaker 3: did not wear them. I don't know I should put

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Speaker 3: them on eBay perhaps, but my wife's best friend Detroit Natives,

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Speaker 3: sent these to me and uh, they were neither worn

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Speaker 5: Well maybe that's why they didn't work, because they weren't worn.

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Speaker 5: That Paul, about a little accountability.

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Speaker 3: My wife, Detroit native man was she letting me have

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Speaker 4: So, as a Bay Area native, Paul, were you rooting

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Speaker 2: I was not.

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Speaker 3: Actually, And I said this, and I'll say this again,

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Speaker 3: twenty five years ago. If you're leaving your family and

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Speaker 3: most definitely can leave your sports allegiances behind. Immediately upon

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Speaker 3: arrival in the AZ, I adopted the Cardinals, the Sons,

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Speaker 3: the Coyotes, look the Diamondbacks, right. The only thing I

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Speaker 3: all the way back would be the alma mater, and

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Speaker 3: that'll never pay off in my lifetime, as Cal has

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Speaker 4: Yes, wait, when you moved here, Coyotes were already here.

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Speaker 3: They just they arrived the very next year after I arrived. Yes, yes, indeed,

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Speaker 4: I was not. That was pre me covering the Coyotes.

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Speaker 3: So they got everyone in the auditorium and they unveiled

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Speaker 5: I look, when it comes to the super Bowl matchup,

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Speaker 5: Detroit is obviously a better storyline than the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: Like you can be objective and see how impressive it

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Speaker 5: is that the forty nine ers getting as far as

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Speaker 5: even further this year, that's still impressive. I had a

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Speaker 5: So everybody else was thinking about it playing trekkers and

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Speaker 4: I get the Chiefs fatigue idea, I don't have it.

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Speaker 4: It's funny because my youngest son actually was getting mad

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Speaker 3: So show Hans who has Casey and or Niners fatigue

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Speaker 5: I'm like halfway there. Here's why I'm halfway. I understand

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Speaker 5: the fatigue. I don't fault anybody for feeling that way.

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Speaker 5: I still think that this Chiefs team is more fun

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Speaker 5: I do think it's impressive what the Chiefs have done,

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Speaker 5: have been inconsistent in their production in Kansas City, kind

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Speaker 5: It's impressive for Patrick Mahomes, for Andy Reid. I also

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Speaker 5: I'm kind of in the middle.

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Speaker 4: I agree. I don't blame anybody if they have fatigue.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why it would be held against me

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Speaker 4: if I didn't. I one hundred percent agree with you

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Speaker 4: that the Chiefs are, to me, way more interesting than

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Speaker 4: the Patriots ever were. Now part of that is by design,

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Speaker 4: they're allowed to be interesting, and Bill Belichick didn't let

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Speaker 3: Because Belichick would win a Super Bowl and then at

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Speaker 3: the parade chant no days aw, Yeah, so not real interesting.

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm not a huge That's one of the

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Speaker 4: other stuff that are allegedly bothering people. Paul and I

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Speaker 4: were just talking offline about how certain TV networks are

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Speaker 4: really going off the deep end in terms of Taylor

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Speaker 3: It's a lot deeper than I ever imagine.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I will say that I have forty nine Ers fatigue,

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Speaker 4: but that's going to be natural for somebody like me

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Speaker 4: who's covered them in the same division for almost twenty

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Speaker 4: the NFC West teams are kind of boring to me

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Speaker 5: Like, yeah, I don't really feel much better if for

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Speaker 5: if they win, being like, oh, well, the Cardinals at

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Speaker 5: And I the whole Travis Kelcey Taylor Swift thing is

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Speaker 5: like we're hardly even seeing her. And personally, I don't

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Speaker 5: Really they're not even showing Taylor Swift that often during

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Speaker 5: I kind of thought it was cute watch them celebrate

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Speaker 5: is I mean, don't you have better things to spend

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Speaker 2: But I guess not.

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Speaker 4: Two things. Like my first thought is when they do show,

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Speaker 5: The sudden happy and cheering. She's not sitting there with

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Speaker 3: Her face, like, well, when the whole suite is doing

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Speaker 3: the swag surf dance, that's pretty solid, you know. And

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Speaker 3: then you learn that Okay, Case plays that whole swag

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Speaker 3: and then Zay Flowers mocked it after his touchdown catch there,

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Speaker 3: he got the guys together and they did the whole

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Speaker 3: swag surf touchdown celebration and the whole deal. Okay, all right,

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Speaker 4: Now, I'm not sure how any of this turned political,

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Speaker 3: I didn't was not aware of that, although I am

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Speaker 3: fully expecting. This is my joke earlier was that with

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Speaker 3: and making it all the way back to Vegas, which

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Speaker 3: are they gonna track it sort of like on Christmas

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Speaker 3: the probably somewhere somehow they'll they'll track it all the

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Speaker 3: way back. But the respect I do have for Kansas City,

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Speaker 3: as fatigued as I am on the whole Kelsey storyline

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Speaker 3: and everything. And by the way, how do you not

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Speaker 4: This year's Chiefs are just like the two thousand and

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Speaker 3: There you go. What was the parallel, by the way

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Speaker 5: Campbell told that to his team after that loss, was

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Speaker 2: And that's the truth.

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Speaker 5: Though it's not easy to get to that point, and

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Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying is impressive about the forty nine

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Speaker 4: Well, and again look at what the Cardinals went through,

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Speaker 4: But then they played a red hot Saints team on

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Speaker 4: And that's the thing. The Lions could have another solid year,

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Speaker 5: It does feel like, though, that Detroit has the foundation set.

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Speaker 3: What are the Seahawks doing? By the way, so at

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Speaker 5: How much do you think that those fancy seats at

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Speaker 4: Quick sidebar on that somebody asked this week that they

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Speaker 4: Well will all three of us be at that.

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Speaker 3: Game in we know that already years we know that.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because you only play you only play the

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Speaker 3: See that's why Cardinals Raiders needs to be a preseason

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Speaker 4: And it might every year. But I don't think this

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Speaker 3: No I'm not saying he does. But if you got

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Speaker 5: Should we make predictions now and put it in what's

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Speaker 4: Prediction of the game or prediction whether we're going to

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Speaker 3: I don't know where I'm going to be.

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Speaker 2: You can really harpen on you want to.

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Speaker 5: You want a solid answer on what my plans are

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Speaker 3: About I mean thirty minutes from now. I'm not sure

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Speaker 4: Well, and we had one game. Again, it's a random

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Speaker 3: Yes, that's right. And here's what was remarkable to me.

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Speaker 3: There's only a spread or a difference of three percent

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Speaker 5: that point, it's hard, though, I will say I do

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Speaker 5: respect postgame Dan Campbell at least kind of standing his grounds,

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Speaker 5: but also recognizing why people were talking about that and

442
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Speaker 5: just kind of saying, like, you have to stay with

443
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Speaker 5: with what your gut saying and doing what you've been

444
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Speaker 5: doing all year, what's worked to get you to that point.

445
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Speaker 3: And by the way, going forward on fourth down is

446
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Speaker 3: not a formula for victory. Carolina led the league in

447
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Speaker 3: most fourth down attempts with forty eight, and the Giants

448
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Speaker 3: were third with thirty seven.

449
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Speaker 4: But again, here's I'm gonna argue the other side. I

450
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,400
Speaker 4: look in the moment when it was twenty four to ten,

451
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Speaker 4: my thought process was kicked the field goal. I'm talking

452
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Speaker 4: about the first one. Now. My thought process was the

453
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Speaker 4: forty nine ers were down twenty four to seven a

454
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Speaker 4: half time, they kicked a field goal, and then you

455
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Speaker 4: have a chance to just you basically have a chance

456
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Speaker 4: if you kicked that field goal, in my opinion, to

457
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Speaker 4: wipe out the first eight minutes of the third quarter

458
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Speaker 4: having any meaning because you've justix needed whatever points they

459
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Speaker 4: got out of it.

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Speaker 3: And if not that you would make it a three

461
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Speaker 3: score game as well, and you would.

462
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Speaker 4: Make it a three score game. I I that is true.

463
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Speaker 4: Now I will say this, it would have been a

464
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Speaker 4: a forty seven yard field goal. Forty six yard field goal. Okay.

465
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Speaker 4: Now I don't have Michael Badgley, the kicker.

466
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Speaker 3: I don't have his, So I do it. His career

467
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Speaker 3: on field goals between forty and forty nine yards seventy

468
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Speaker 3: seven percent. Okay, it's his career percentage, but.

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Speaker 4: At forty eight and above. And I know forty six

470
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Speaker 4: is and forty eight, but at forty eight and above

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Speaker 4: it's only forty five percent. My guess is if you

472
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Speaker 4: figured out forty six and above, it's gonna be noticeably

473
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Speaker 4: lower than seventy seven percent, because there's to me, there's

474
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Speaker 4: a big difference between forty yards and forty six.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, this wasn't like the game in

476
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Speaker 3: Baltimore where it's raining and it's coal and there's win.

477
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Speaker 3: I mean, it was seventy three degrees in the say sorry, they.

478
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Speaker 4: Were I think they were two for two going for

479
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Speaker 4: fourth downs to seal up to an important moments earlier

480
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Speaker 4: in the playoffs in their first two playoff games, and

481
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Speaker 4: they made them and they and that's what they got.

482
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Speaker 4: Like again, when you when you look at it, you're

483
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Speaker 4: you're not wrong, But if it was, you're also assuming,

484
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Speaker 4: going back to your win probability, that he makes it. Again,

485
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Speaker 4: the field goal has to be made. Now, would it

486
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Speaker 4: have been made? Maybe? Probably, I don't know.

487
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Speaker 3: My point is, I'm just surprised that the win probability

488
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Speaker 3: wasn't greater by converting the fourth down, thereby verifying the

489
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Speaker 3: decision to go for it. I just expected to be

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Speaker 3: a greater spread. And I get it. You know, you're

491
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Speaker 3: trying to go to the super Bowl. You want to

492
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Speaker 3: be aggressive. At the same time, the first opportunity you

493
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Speaker 3: had a chance to make it a three score game.

494
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Speaker 3: The second opportunity, you had a chance to tie the game.

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Speaker 3: So that's why I take the points. Was trending, and

496
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Speaker 3: it sparked a lot of debate, obviously, and it's a

497
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Speaker 3: lot of new school versus old school.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I will say this, one of the

499
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Speaker 4: things that's been disappointing to me is this argument, and

500
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Speaker 4: it's gotten really strong, and it reminds me of some

501
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Speaker 4: other arguments that we have in our culture these days,

502
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Speaker 4: where there's the damn breaks and then everybody just says

503
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: they can say whatever the hell they want. But like

504
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 4: this idea that like football is has no business with

505
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Speaker 4: any analytics, and this is come on, like you just

506
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Speaker 4: when you tell me that, when you say that to me,

507
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Speaker 4: you come across as disingenuous. Number one, I feel like saying, Okay,

508
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Speaker 4: let's take analytics out of the game. I I when

509
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Speaker 4: I grew when I first started watching football, there was

510
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 4: not a pro team in town, and I latched onto

511
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Speaker 4: the Pittsburgh Steelers when I was that age. It was

512
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Speaker 4: like the it was the late seventies. They were really good.

513
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Speaker 4: You're eight years old, you're gonna find a good team.

514
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Speaker 4: My mom My mom found me an NFL Steelers jersey

515
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Speaker 4: at a garage sale, and so they were my team.

516
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Speaker 3: It's they're black and gold. It was off colors.

517
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Speaker 4: Okay. So every once in a while I would track

518
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Speaker 4: down a v VHS tip tape of like a of

519
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Speaker 4: a live broadcast from like seventy seven, seventy eight, seventy

520
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Speaker 4: nine right in that area, and I'd like to just

521
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Speaker 4: I kind of like watching those old games. If you

522
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Speaker 4: watch the Pittsburgh Steelers or any NFL team maybe except

523
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Speaker 4: for the Chargers in those days playing then it's all

524
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,719
Speaker 4: it's almost you can't recognize it as football. Like they

525
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 4: get up to line of scrimmage, there's one or two

526
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Speaker 4: receivers out there, there's two guys in the backfield. Every

527
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: time it's run run, pass, run, run pass, and all

528
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 4: the passes there's nothing short. You're throwing at least fifteen

529
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Speaker 4: yards down the field. It's a crap shoot fifty to

530
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Speaker 4: fifty whether it's gets completed. I feel like saying, wait,

531
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Speaker 4: is this the game that analytics aren't allowed to be in,

532
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Speaker 4: because let me tell you something, that game you keep

533
00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 4: talking about does not exist anymore. It's a completely different game.

534
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Speaker 4: So if we shouldn't have analytics, should should Bill Walsh

535
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Speaker 4: never have been able to do the West Coast offense, which,

536
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 4: by the way, when that started, everybody thought that was

537
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: like bull crap football. All I go, oh, you're not

538
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 4: gonna man up and run the ball, You're gonna throw

539
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Speaker 4: all these short passes, and come.

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Speaker 2: On, Darren, that was a good rant.

541
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Speaker 5: And analytics are so much more than whether or not

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Speaker 5: you're going for it or kicking the field right. It's

543
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Speaker 5: it's the way that offenses or defenses are lining up

544
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Speaker 5: or how likely they're able to you know, how many

545
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 5: safeties do you have out there? And what formations are you? Like,

546
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 5: there's so much that analytics aren't. So much more than

547
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,440
Speaker 5: just these field goals or two point conversions or going

548
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 5: for it on four down or pass or rump play

549
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 5: like there's they are an analytics play a role in

550
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Speaker 5: every aspect of the game. Now kind of it's similar

551
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Speaker 5: of like almost like an offensive lineman. Right, you don't

552
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Speaker 5: really talk about it unless something bad is happening, and

553
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 5: so analytics don't really get talked about unless situation like this,

554
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Speaker 5: we're going for it on fourth down and people think

555
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Speaker 5: you should be kicking a field goal, or situation with

556
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Speaker 5: the Cardinals found themselves in a couple of times this

557
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Speaker 5: year of are you going to kick the extra point?

558
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Speaker 5: Are you going to go for two here? Are you

559
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Speaker 5: going to try and score again later if you're down

560
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Speaker 5: two scores?

561
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Speaker 2: All of that plays a role to me.

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Speaker 4: And this is the last thing I'll say on this,

563
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Speaker 4: which is ultimately, how do we know well in fourth down?

564
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Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about these particular two plays, but

565
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: in fourth down, how do we know that it hasn't

566
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 4: been wrong the whole time that you're doing it? Doing

567
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 4: it that way? Where you don't go for one of

568
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Speaker 4: the reasons people always used to punt is because the

569
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Speaker 4: way offenses were that you had no chance to pick

570
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Speaker 4: up three yards on fourth down because all you did

571
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Speaker 4: was run straight up the middle.

572
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Speaker 3: Well, I took this little blurb off NFL dot Com.

573
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Speaker 3: I guess I probably should have attributed to the author.

574
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Speaker 3: I don't know who it was, but I do agree

575
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Speaker 3: with this statement. You guys can agree or disagree, and

576
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 3: I know you will, this person wrote an NFL dot com.

577
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Speaker 3: As is the case with every analysis of a fourth

578
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Speaker 3: down decision, the outcome ends up outweighing the logic by

579
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Speaker 3: a significant margin. This will again be true when Campbell

580
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Speaker 3: is criticized for his cause. But we must know that

581
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Speaker 3: this criticism comes from a place where hindsight is the

582
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Speaker 3: ultimate privilege. Well said, Well argued.

583
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Speaker 4: I think that's fair. Like again number one, I'm not

584
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: gonna say there weren't plenty of people before the play,

585
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Speaker 4: and I'll be honest on the first one, I was

586
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Speaker 4: sitting on my couch going, you're gonna kick this right, like,

587
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 4: just kick this field.

588
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: Goal three score game, kick it.

589
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Speaker 4: But but I do think that generally the criticism of

590
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Speaker 4: all this comes. Most of it is hindsight driven and

591
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 4: an outcome driven and you can't you can't make decisions

592
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Speaker 4: that way. That's called coaching scared.

593
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Speaker 3: So speaking of it's not the same game, or there's

594
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Speaker 3: not even a game anymore. That's my segue Danny to

595
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Speaker 3: the Pro Ball which is going to be in Orlando,

596
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Speaker 3: which I just found out. I thought it was still

597
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Speaker 3: going to be in Vegas.

598
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Speaker 5: But once again, are you going to Vegas like I'm

599
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Speaker 5: going to Orlando.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, why is she going to Orlando?

601
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Speaker 4: Like?

602
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Speaker 3: What's good?

603
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Speaker 4: You could have stated the Excalibur, which is the overflow

604
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: media hotel in Vegas, which I cracks me up because

605
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Speaker 4: I went to the Excalibur with some family when I

606
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 4: was first opened, way way back in the day. That

607
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Speaker 4: wouldn't be my first choice.

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Speaker 2: I don't know Vegas well. And enough is that the

609
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 2: hotel that has it looks like the Castle?

610
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Speaker 4: Yes?

611
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 2: Oh, I have been there for like a show before.

612
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Speaker 2: It's not a nice hotel.

613
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, hello, alrighty.

614
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Speaker 2: Well, they're not a sponsor.

615
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Speaker 3: The main media hotel is the Luxe Or, which is

616
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Speaker 3: the one that looks like the Pyramid. Correct, Yes, And

617
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Speaker 3: I don't know.

618
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Speaker 2: If it's true or not because I saw it online,

619
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Speaker 2: so yes, is that real?

620
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Speaker 4: I guess. I don't know.

621
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Speaker 5: Like with I guess maybe going with Dorito's. Maybe they're

622
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 5: Super Bowl commercial or something like one of the sides

623
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Speaker 5: of the pyramid is going to look like.

624
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Speaker 4: A I don't know if the Luxor is the upper

625
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 4: crust of hotels there either, that's the main media hotel.

626
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Speaker 2: Yes, interesting, but first the Pro Bowl in Orlando.

627
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Speaker 3: Yes, forget about Vegas and all the casinos. You're going

628
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Speaker 3: to Disney World.

629
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Speaker 4: Basically, yes, we don't want to talk about the hotel.

630
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Speaker 4: I made Danny stay.

631
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: Out that truly go. Yeah.

632
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Speaker 5: Uh, not actually going to Disney World either. But Budda Baker,

633
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 5: Cardinal Safety represent and will be going. And I should

634
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 5: crack myself. I think I was saying that Cardinals didn't

635
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 5: have any Pro bowlers going last year.

636
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Speaker 2: That's not true.

637
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Speaker 5: Buddha Baker went, but he was dealing with the shoulder

638
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 5: so he didn't do a So correcting myself there. But yes,

639
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: Buddha is representing the Cardinals, so myself and one of

640
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Speaker 5: our geographers are going to get some content.

641
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Speaker 2: So it should be fun.

642
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Speaker 3: Okay, Another in a series of dumb questions, is there

643
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Speaker 3: still a game even though it's Is there a flag

644
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 3: game featuring the Pro Bowlers or do they eliminate that

645
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: as well in the flag game involves like youth teams.

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Speaker 2: I that's a good question.

647
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Speaker 5: I know that Sunday is the Pro Bowl games and

648
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 5: they have a lot of different activities, and then that's

649
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Speaker 5: on Sunday. That's one o'clock Mountain Stander time on ESPN,

650
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: and everything kind of starts on Thursday with practices and

651
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 5: the skills competition. I'm not sure which players like if

652
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 5: Buddha's part of the skills competition Thursday night quite yet,

653
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 5: but that's kind of when everything starts. Now throughout the week,

654
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Speaker 5: they do have flag football going on, and I think

655
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Speaker 5: that's a combination of I don't know if it's all

656
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Speaker 5: local kids that are playing and NFL alumni and Pro

657
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Speaker 5: Bowlers that are going to be participating in that. So

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if that's also happened on Sunday like

659
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Speaker 5: on the game day, but I do know that there

660
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Speaker 5: are flag football activities and stuff going on throughout the

661
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 5: week around AFC and NFC practices.

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Speaker 3: All right, So Buddha Baker is going to be there

663
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Speaker 3: for the Pro Bowl. What do we know about Buddha

664
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Speaker 3: Baker in his future with the Cardinals? Is that in question?

665
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Speaker 3: Have you fielded that question in the mail bag for example,

666
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 3: Darren Urban And to what degree, if any, do you

667
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: expect to repeat of last offseason?

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Speaker 4: I have not had that question come up in the

669
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Speaker 4: mail bag because all the mail bag questions so far

670
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 4: have been either ACL related or Draft related. It feels

671
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Speaker 4: like so far.

672
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Speaker 3: And by the way, we'll get to the draft in

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Speaker 3: a minute.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen with Buddha Baker.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. Obviously, they tweaked his contract a little

676
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 4: bit last year to give him a little bit of

677
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: extra money, which is one of the reasons that kind

678
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 4: of got settled. But his contract is still what it is,

679
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Speaker 4: and he's going into the last year of the deal,

680
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: and I don't know what that means in the offseason

681
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: quite frankly, so I guess we will see. I mean,

682
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Speaker 4: I do think some circumstances are different, which is Buda

683
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 4: Baker now knows what he's dealing with in terms of

684
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 4: a front office. He knows the coaching staff he's dealing with,

685
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 4: and he knows the direction this is going Does that

686
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: impact his mindset at all? Is is this going to

687
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 4: strictly be about a monetary situation? Which if it is,

688
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 4: that's okay, that's its business.

689
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Speaker 2: You know that's fair.

690
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Speaker 5: Last offseason, I believe Jonathan Gannon had been hired, but

691
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 5: we obviously didn't know and I'm sure the players didn't.

692
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: You don't really know until you're actually practicing and stuff

693
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 5: what the future of this team is going to look like.

694
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Speaker 5: And that was kind of when Buddha made the comment

695
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 5: about possibly wanting a trade and by the end wanting

696
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 5: a new contract. But by that point Buddha still had

697
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: two more years. So now he's in a contract year,

698
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 5: but last year he wasn't. And so we were discussing

699
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 5: about does general manager Money Austin for it, want to

700
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,959
Speaker 5: set that sort of precedent of giving contract extensions. They

701
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: did kind of rework some things. He didn't get actual

702
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 5: contract extension. So now that Baker has a full season

703
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Speaker 5: with this staff, having a better understanding of what this defense,

704
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 5: this team as a whole is going to look like,

705
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 5: has his mindset changed. We don't know that answer yet.

706
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Speaker 5: Haven't had a chance to talk with him about that.

707
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Speaker 5: I'm not really sure even if that questions asked how

708
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: honest he's going to be. But it is interesting now

709
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Speaker 5: of has that mindset change now that he's had a

710
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 5: season with this team and with this staff, and how

711
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 5: is that.

712
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Speaker 2: Going to change?

713
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Speaker 5: Of if he still wants money. There could be a

714
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Speaker 5: possibility where Baker wants to stay here, but he only

715
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 5: wants to play if he gets a contract extension. That

716
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 5: happens across the league all the time. So now it's

717
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Speaker 5: going to be a matter of going back and forth

718
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Speaker 5: with the two sides if that's the case of trying

719
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Speaker 5: to find a middle ground of what works best for

720
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Speaker 5: both teams.

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Speaker 3: In the annual Cardinals Awards at Acycardinals dot com, did

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Speaker 3: you two vote for Buddha Baker as Defensive Player of

723
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Speaker 3: the Year?

724
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Speaker 2: I did, I did, I did not.

725
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Speaker 4: I did Jalen Thompson, although and I did. Note in mind,

726
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Speaker 4: I don't know if the blurb got in there, but

727
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Speaker 4: I Kaizer White was a guy that I was looking

728
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 4: at until he got hurt.

729
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Speaker 2: He was my newcomer of the Year.

730
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Speaker 4: I'm not saying Buddha didn't enter my thought process, but

731
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Speaker 4: I picked Jalen.

732
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Speaker 3: Just because they rarely went to Buddha's side. He rarely

733
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 3: got tried. He rarely got tested. It was by the

734
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Speaker 3: end of the year I came into a much greater

735
00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: understanding of just to what degree opponents were avoiding Buddha Baker.

736
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 3: That quarterbacks would break the huddle. Where's three Okay, I'm

737
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: going the other way. And after games there were quarterbacks

738
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 3: and other players on other teams who would tell Buddha, oh, yeah, no,

739
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: we weren't trying you today, that that was the game plan.

740
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Speaker 3: We were going to the other side.

741
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Speaker 5: Not only does Baker's presence affect the way opponents are

742
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 5: game planning, but also elevating the players around him and

743
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 5: his communication style and the way he plays with his

744
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 5: technique and leading by example and understanding everything and keeping

745
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 5: everybody in line and on the same page. When Baker

746
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 5: missed with four or five games, it was five games

747
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 5: right this year with an injury.

748
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: YEP.

749
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 5: There were multiple games where we would come here on

750
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 5: this podcast and we would talk about a problem with tackling,

751
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 5: and it would come up of would we be having

752
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 5: this conversation if Buddha Baker were healthy enough to be

753
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 5: out on the field. I feel like his presence is

754
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 5: felt and you can really see it in his absence

755
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 5: of when he's not out there.

756
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: No, he really is the human eraser, not just erasing

757
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 3: ball carriers, but erasing other players' mistakes coming in and

758
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 3: being the ultimate safety net and being so good in

759
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 3: so many different aspects and communicating the defense to everyone

760
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: else in the back end, and then having the versatility

761
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 3: to play a deep center field will come up in

762
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: the box and even cover guys as a slot. Although

763
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 3: Jalen Thompson did a lot of those same things as well,

764
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: So I get it now. As for what was on

765
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: this monitor when we walked in the Senior Bowl. So

766
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Speaker 3: anyone have a bow Nix update, because see, Bonnicks is

767
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: the key to this draft for the Arizona Cardinals. You

768
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 3: think because they need that fourth quarterback, they need the

769
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 3: fourth quarterback to really make a run up the board.

770
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Speaker 3: It's like Trey Lance did not too long ago, like

771
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson did last year. Knicks could be Pennix. I

772
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter to me quarterback TBD. Somebody's got to

773
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Speaker 3: make a run all the way up to number four.

774
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Speaker 3: And I'm just saying that, you know Bonnicks because the

775
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 3: Senior Bowls going on right now. Was get a lot

776
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Speaker 3: of love when the whole practices started.

777
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Speaker 2: Who are the three quarterbacks? For sure? Cale Williams, Drake

778
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:34,760
Speaker 2: May Jaden Daniels.

779
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: It's gonna be my guess, and so most of the

780
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 3: mock drafts have those quarterbacks going one, two, three in

781
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 3: this draft.

782
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 5: Some of the mock drafts, though, have the Patriots at

783
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 5: three taking wide receiver Marvin Harrison Junior.

784
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: I've seen that.

785
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 5: That makes for an interesting mock draft if anybody's doing

786
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 5: those on their own time, and.

787
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Speaker 3: I'll take that and do that, Danny. I would take

788
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: that as well. As long as there's a quarterback available

789
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 3: at number four that's coveted by other teams, some of

790
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 3: the Cardinals would be able to cash that in. What's

791
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: interesting as well is Daniel Jeremiah earlier today put out

792
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 3: his top fifty prospects on nfl dot Com. No draft order,

793
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 3: just best prospects. You realize seven of the top eighteen

794
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 3: are offensive tackles. Love that How loaded is this draft

795
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 3: at tackle? Which makes me wonder how much more app

796
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 3: would the Cardinals be to trade down from four, considering

797
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: that this draft is loaded at tackle and take either

798
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: lower with that with that number four, whatever it turns into,

799
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: presuming it does, or even wait till twenty seven, maybe

800
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: where like the U of a tackle or the Oregon

801
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 3: State tackle is starting to climb, the boards might fall

802
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: to late first round.

803
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 4: See, the thing you have going for you right now

804
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 4: is if you have that many tackles. It's also the

805
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,959
Speaker 4: other possibility is that pushes receivers down. So let's say

806
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 4: you stay at four. I'm not I would tend to

807
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 4: agree with you if you really like a lot of tackles.

808
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 4: It feels ripe for Monty to want to trade down.

809
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: That being said, somebody's got to want to trade out,

810
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 4: of course. But let's say you stay at four. You

811
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 4: don't take Harrison, whether or not the Patriots do. You

812
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 4: don't take Harrison, you take one of those top tackles,

813
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 4: but all those other tackles. Once the tackle goes, you

814
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: get that run, and then maybe that pushes some good

815
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: receivers down to twenty seven.

816
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: Sure you could. By the way, Joe Alt, who's considered

817
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 3: the best tackle, the three year starter, three years starting

818
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: left tackle at Notre Dame, I did not realize he

819
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: goes six' eight three fifteen, So a little bit bigger

820
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,320
Speaker 3: than you, Paul. So I'm gonna ignore that as I

821
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 3: always do, just gratuitous in every way, especially how I operate.

822
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 3: But so there's always this debate, and I had it

823
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 3: with Craig Griegle a little earlier. Is Paris Johnson stain

824
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 3: a right tackles he going to left tackle? We don't know,

825
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: and it all depends on who might play left tackle.

826
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 3: If Joe walt A, three years starting left tackle at

827
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: notre is your guy, then guess what, it might make

828
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: a lot more sense to keep Paris right where he

829
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 3: is at right tackle.

830
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: That's not a bad option. Paris Johnson Junior had a

831
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 5: great rookie year, went up against some stout pass rushers,

832
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 5: proved himself and also especially with a quarterback as mobile

833
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 5: as Kyler Murray, having a stout pillar of your offensive

834
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 5: line as a right tackle is becoming just as important

835
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 5: as having that as your blind side left tackle. It's not,

836
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 5: of okay, it's not as much I feel like now,

837
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 5: of okay, this our best offensive lineman has to play

838
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: left tackle if you can draft, and a left tackle

839
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: that you think is going to be your future for

840
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 5: a long time can play very well for this organization.

841
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Speaker 2: I have no problem keeping Paris over on the right side.

842
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 3: By the way, do you want me to run through

843
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: all the pass rushers that he faced in his rookie year, yes, please,

844
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,760
Speaker 3: here we go. Aaron Donald twice, Nick Bosa twice, Montes

845
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: What twice, two different teams. TJ watt led the NFL

846
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: at nineteen sacks, Trey Hendrickson to the Bengals second was

847
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 3: seventeen and a half, Micah Parsons, Miles Garrett fourteen apiece.

848
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: The pro bowler Justin Maddio Bueke from the Ravens had thirteen,

849
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 3: Jonathan Greenard from Houston at twelve and a half, Cavon

850
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,399
Speaker 3: Thibodeau of the Giants eleven and a half, has Son

851
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: Reddick had eleven. All of those guys at some point,

852
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 3: if not most of the game came off Paris Johnson's side,

853
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 3: believe it or not. And I didn't even include will

854
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: Anderson Junior because I ran out of space on Twitter. Okay,

855
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: so he got the gauntlet his rookie year, so you

856
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: know a lot more about his readiness and how quipped

857
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 3: he is. And by the way, he didn't hit no

858
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 3: stinking rookie wall. According to Paris Johnson Junior. He said

859
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 3: it repeatedly a whole month of December and January because

860
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: he kept getting asked by all this media pencil. Arn Jane,

861
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 3: it's not on Paris if you had the rookie wall. No,

862
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 3: he said, absolutely not. And what I liked about him too,

863
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Speaker 3: is at the end of the year, he said he

864
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: evolved his practice techniques where he was getting some he

865
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 3: would talk to like a Zamon Collins or a Dennis Gardek.

866
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 3: He said, Okay, this week, I'm going up against TJ.

867
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: Watt and he's known for this move. Can you please

868
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 3: simulate that for me? I know you, it's not necessarily

869
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 3: your game the way it is. TJ wants simulate this

870
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: for me, and he would actually get some extra practice

871
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 3: time against some of the Cardinals edge guys who he

872
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 3: would ask to try and emulate the guys going Again,

873
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: so for a rookie, I'm like, that's pretty next level, right,

874
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 3: But again, I don't know if he's going to be

875
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Speaker 3: right or left, And I think a lot of it's

876
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Speaker 3: dependent on what Moni does in the off season to

877
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Speaker 3: fill that spot.

878
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,399
Speaker 4: They're not gonna They're not gonna close the door either way.

879
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 4: On any of that stuff just because they don't have to,

880
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 4: you know, and and why would you you make that call?

881
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 4: And again as you sit here, it's funny, but every

882
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 4: time you start thinking, oh, it might make a lot

883
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 4: of sense to how if Marvin Harrison is there to

884
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 4: get him, you fall back into this argument that we're

885
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Speaker 4: having right now, which is and after watching what the

886
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 4: Lions did this weekend, and what the what the Chiefs

887
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 4: could do running the ball, and what the Ravens didn't

888
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 4: do but normally do in terms of running the ball.

889
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 4: I mean it just.

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Speaker 1: It.

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00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 4: I actually feel like it makes a lot more sense

892
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 4: to argue to take the tackle early rather than the

893
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: wide receiver. The more you get deep into.

894
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 5: It, is it a cop out to say that Cardinals

895
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 5: can't lose with either decision.

896
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: Wide receiver or we're not offensive tackle up for.

897
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: All I'll say is having followed the Lions right over

898
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 3: the last twenty years, we talked about this last week

899
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 3: when they were taking you know, Mike Williams or a

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Speaker 3: Charles Rogers or even a Calvin first two were buss,

901
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 3: Calvin Johnson was Hall of Famer. How are the Lions

902
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 3: with the Hall of Fame receiver Calvin Johnson. They weren't

903
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: advancing in the playoffs. So back to Darren's point, you know,

904
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Speaker 3: if you're gonna try and be one of those elite teams,

905
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:01,280
Speaker 3: and I think Detroit final figure it out. Brad Holmes

906
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 3: and company, we're gonna rebuild this offensive line. What I

907
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 3: found intriguing by the Daniel Jeremiah ranking, by the way,

908
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: is his number six prospect is a corner. Terry and

909
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 3: Arnold from BAMA two year starter six foot one ninety six,

910
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 3: has great ball skills, they say, is very aggressive, gets

911
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 3: after it as a tackler, which would fit the JG

912
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 3: right check that box or JG doesn't want a corner,

913
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Speaker 3: is not going to tackle, So I wonder, I don't

914
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 3: know if you'd take him at four. But let's say

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Speaker 3: Atlanta needs a quarterback, comes up from eight and you're

916
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 3: sitting there at eight. Do you take the corner out

917
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 3: of Bama eight and then get your tackle with your

918
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: second first round pick.

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00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 4: It's funny because we sit here and talk about the

920
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 4: possibility of Marvin Harrison, and Danny made the point that

921
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 4: she saw the mock with Marvin Harrison going three. I

922
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: would argue that for this team, it would actually be

923
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: better if Marvin Harrison got drafted before they got picked

924
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: for all the same reasons he talked about, which was

925
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 4: it would it would push the fourth quarterback the third quarterback.

926
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: Yep, two four, yep.

927
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: And then and then there's a lot on the I

928
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Speaker 4: mean you're talking about how many tackles they are. You're

929
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: talking about how many receivers the are. You could easily

930
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 4: go down to eight and get a good tackle and

931
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 4: then still get a good receiver at twenty seven.

932
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: And get some extra draft can get.

933
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Speaker 4: Extra draft capital.

934
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Speaker 5: And maybe use that extra draft capital to make a

935
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Speaker 5: trade for a veteran pass rusher.

936
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Speaker 4: Possibly maybe the drum beat continues to be beaten by

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Speaker 4: Danny yep.

938
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Speaker 3: So look, there's a lot to be determined. But at

939
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl, Dannie, I'll get the latest, right, you'll

940
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 3: get the inside. You'll figure out, you know what's going

941
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 3: on over there.

942
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 4: She's gonna yell from beyond the barrier. Ye hey, I

943
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 4: got a question.

944
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 3: By the way, the uh Still the greatest path to

945
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: NFL coaching success is just to be on the staff,

946
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: as Sean McVay once again.

947
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

948
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 3: Raheem Morris, new head coach of Atlanta he takes the

949
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 3: Zach Robinson, the quarterbacks coach, Passing game coordinator is the OC.

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00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 4: How about McVeigh. He's gonna lose his DC, but that's

951
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: okay because he's just gonna be able to bring back

952
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 4: the DC he had originally brand.

953
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: I forgot about that.

954
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 4: Oh break even guy.

955
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 3: Over there, Oh boy, Okay.

956
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,360
Speaker 4: That's assuming Staley goes back to the RAMS, because I

957
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: know there's other teams looking at him. But would that

958
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 4: surprise you if he got.

959
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 3: Stalely back, Absolutely not. Doesn't have to sell his house

960
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: in La or anything. He just goes over to the

961
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Speaker 3: RAMS facility.

962
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: To surprise you, guys, that Belichick seems likely to where

963
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 5: he's not gonna coach at least for this year, maybe

964
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Speaker 5: does a TV deal and then tries to coach next year.

965
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 4: It does not surprise me because ultimately, to give up

966
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 4: the kind of control that you would think Bill Belichick

967
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: would want to have, that's a hard, hard thing to do.

968
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 4: And you're not just talking about front office people that

969
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 4: are like, yeah, let's I agree, owner, let's bring him in.

970
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 4: You're talking about the owner giving up control. And I

971
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: don't I don't know how many people actually want to

972
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 4: do that, and again it's been brought up before. Hasn't

973
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 4: had a whole lot of success the last few years.

974
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 4: There's no question he's the greatest coach in my mind ever,

975
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 4: but you know, time moves on, and we just talked

976
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: about it with the analytics, and I'm not saying Bill

977
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 4: Belichick hasn't been able to morph a little bit, but

978
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 4: maybe that's part of it too.

979
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: You see, Good Morning Football tweeted out this is from

980
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Speaker 3: their show, and they took a screenshot at the graphic.

981
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Speaker 3: Five media ideas for Bill Belichick. Number five Fishing Show

982
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Speaker 3: with Randy Moss, Number four Patriots Podcast with Bill Burr,

983
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Speaker 3: a comedian and Pates Pats fan saw me. And then

984
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Speaker 3: you got a number three coach cast with Nick saman

985
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Speaker 3: and Pete Carroll. Number two is like eighties and nineties

986
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: giant stuff and they talk around. He sits and talks

987
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Speaker 3: with Bill Parcells and Phil Simms and Lawrence Taylor. And

988
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Speaker 3: then number one co host NFL Red Zone with Scott Hansen.

989
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: So those were the media ideas for Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 5: Something I saw as a media day which I or

991
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:08,720
Speaker 5: an idea which I think would be great is Jason

992
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 5: Kelcey traveling and tailgating with different fan bases and really

993
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 5: integrating himself into their culture.

994
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: I think would be so entertained.

995
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: That would be good, sort of like half cooking show,

996
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: have sort of like travel show.

997
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 5: Sure right in your hits up, hits up a local

998
00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 5: spot liked before the game.

999
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 3: Yep, I like that.

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Speaker 5: No, if you're listening, don't take my idea. Maybe I'll

1001
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Speaker 5: take it somewhere and Danny.

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Speaker 4: Then you won't be here in twenty thirty.

1003
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Speaker 2: You don't know that.

1004
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 5: If Brandon Staley can go back to the Rams, I

1005
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 5: could come back to the Carmels, Darren.

1006
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: Danny, you should do your own tailgate show out on

1007
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 3: the Great Lawn and every week feature a different Paul

1008
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 3: fan tailgate. Now, I know you have finding a job.

1009
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 5: I can't drink beer, and what fun is tailgating if

1010
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 5: you can't drink.

1011
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: You know, it's kind of tough. You can't be two

1012
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 3: places fun.

1013
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: You can say fun if you're not drinking, you know.

1014
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying, maybe in between.

1015
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Speaker 2: The pre kick me off one of the pregas.

1016
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Speaker 3: You know, you'd be good, you'd be out there, you'd

1017
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Speaker 3: be able to handle. You know, you're more of a

1018
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 3: person of the people. You know, it'd be good. You know,

1019
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:19,760
Speaker 3: Darren and I are a little too salted.

1020
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Speaker 2: Every Garrett as my bodyguard.

1021
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Speaker 3: Would be good. Yeah, okay, all right, so uh once again, Uh,

1022
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Speaker 3: these socks will be going up on eBay. I'm not

1023
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,919
Speaker 3: really sure what listam meant or my local charity, don't

1024
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 3: really know. Sort of like the head coach of Oregon

1025
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: State when he left, he took all his gear and

1026
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 3: took it over to the local Goodwill, and then somebody

1027
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Speaker 3: got all the Jonathan Smith embroidered Oregon State.

1028
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Speaker 5: Gear that that actually, this is random, I guess, not

1029
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Speaker 5: really coming off that. In college, I remember I was

1030
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 5: like I was driving with my friends and we see

1031
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Speaker 5: this guy walking on the sidewalk and he is in

1032
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Speaker 5: one of the shirts that has our sorority like letters

1033
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Speaker 5: on them. It's like from I don't know, either a

1034
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Speaker 5: general T shirt or is like a date party something

1035
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Speaker 5: specific to our sorority. So it was very clear that somebody,

1036
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Speaker 5: one girl in our sorority like took old shirts. She

1037
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Speaker 5: didn't want to drop them off at like Goodwill or something.

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Speaker 2: So funny, that's what that reminds me of.

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Speaker 3: And that'll do it for this edition of can't top

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Speaker 3: that one. Cardinals Underground brought to you by Pacific Office Automation