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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong

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Speaker 1: and Jetty and he Armstrong and Yetty.

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Speaker 2: Moments after President Trump announced his tariffs against Canada, Mexico,

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Speaker 2: and China, we saw quite a tumble on the Stock Exchange,

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Speaker 2: the now closing down more than six hundred, almost six

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty points as economist sound the alarm that

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Speaker 2: these tariffs are going to be passed on to the

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Speaker 2: American consumer with the prices of cars, electronics, and shoes

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Speaker 2: expected to go up.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So midnight last night the twenty five percent tariffs

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Speaker 3: on Mexico and Canada took took effect, and then the

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Speaker 3: extra tariffs on China, which again, as we kept saying,

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Speaker 3: keep saying, is a different topic, a different a different war.

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Speaker 3: But first of all, I just went to the vending

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Speaker 3: machine to get an avocado like I do every day

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Speaker 3: on the show forty seven like an apple.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, forty seven dollars for an avocado.

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Speaker 3: Because of the terrified last night, I want to, as

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Speaker 3: a free speech guy, ban all media outlets from ever

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Speaker 3: using the stock market going up or down in an

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Speaker 3: hour or a day as evidence of anything. I just

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Speaker 3: that's just a ridiculous way to look at anything. Really

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Speaker 3: is someone has already your four oh one k's have

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Speaker 3: taken a hit because of the or already Americans are

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Speaker 3: rejoicing because the stock market has gone. You can't draw

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Speaker 3: any conclusions in one day or one hour or one

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Speaker 1: You just can't.

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Speaker 4: The great original sin of that was when Trump was

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Speaker 4: first elected and the Trump stock plunge or whatever they

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Speaker 4: called it, and had it completely turned around by noon

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Speaker 4: the next day. But it's funny they were very busy

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Speaker 4: that second day and couldn't report that turnaround. Now, having

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Speaker 4: said that, I will tell you this. I think it's important.

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Speaker 4: It's an important amble the discussion that will follow. While

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Speaker 4: you talk, I'll munch on my forty seven dollars avocado.

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Speaker 4: Savor that thing, man, say every bite, roll it around

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Speaker 4: in your mush.

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Speaker 1: All right, here's the deal.

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Speaker 4: We neither cheerlead every single thing Trump does, nor do

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Speaker 4: we hammer him for everything he does. Like most of

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Speaker 4: the media these days, which are very very tribal, we

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Speaker 4: just try to figure out what's actually going on and

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Speaker 4: form an idea of how things are going to work

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Speaker 4: and affect you in your lives. If you are not

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Speaker 4: into that, if you would rather have the aforementioned constant

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Speaker 4: bashing or praising, we wish you well certainly in your

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Speaker 4: future endeavors. Anyway, Having said that, I want more than

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Speaker 4: anything for the economy to be good, of course, for

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Speaker 4: my retirement savings to hold up, for inflation to be

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Speaker 4: under control, for the housing market to become more normal.

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Speaker 1: And the rest of it.

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Speaker 4: But I am I'm worried about this tariff thing, especially

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Speaker 4: if it lasts for a while.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense to me on a lot of levels.

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Speaker 4: And as Jack said, the China thing, China engages in

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Speaker 4: communist finance, dumping of goods across the globe to try

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Speaker 4: to drive global competition unfairly out of business, and then

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Speaker 4: they will stand astride the globe as the manufacturing colossus,

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Speaker 4: and we will all have to kiss their asses. I

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Speaker 4: despise China and the Communist Party. I despise what they're doing.

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Speaker 4: There should be stiff tariffs against them. We should uncouple

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Speaker 4: from them as quickly as we can. China's over there.

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Speaker 4: The Canada Mexico thing, the justification for the high tariffs

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Speaker 4: against two of our biggest trading partners and neighbors. Is

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Speaker 4: that we have a national emergency. Fentanyl killing six figures

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Speaker 4: worth of Americans. That's a pretty good emergency. And immigration,

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Speaker 4: millions of people flowing in, sucking up services, many of

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Speaker 4: them criminals, lawlessness in general.

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Speaker 1: All right, I'll give you that.

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Speaker 4: The problem, though, is that the percentage of fentanyl and

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Speaker 4: I had these numbers a week ago, but the percentage

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Speaker 4: of fentanyl that comes in over the Canadian border is

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Speaker 4: practically none of it. And likewise, the illegal immigrants the

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Speaker 4: Canadian border is just a tiny, tiny fraction of you know,

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Speaker 4: the problem. And the amount of American manufacturing that's flowed

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Speaker 4: to Canada after the two big trade deals, the Clinton

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Speaker 4: Deal and then when it was updated and Trump negotiated

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Speaker 4: blah blah blah. The amount of American manufacturing that's flown

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Speaker 4: into Mexico is fairly significant, but to Canada it's practically none.

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Speaker 1: So okay.

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Speaker 4: So you've got that, and then you've got the fact

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Speaker 4: that this will inevitably, and Trump has recently admitted, this

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Speaker 4: cause pain in the pocketbook for Americans. It will raise

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Speaker 4: prices on a surprising array of things, especially because the

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Speaker 4: manufacturers that are still here need steal and aluminum, for instance,

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Speaker 4: and I just see that price taggling up, up, up.

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Speaker 4: As you know, Canadian imports get twenty five percent more expensive.

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Speaker 4: Maybe I just I think this is a huge gamble

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Speaker 4: on one of the two issues that got Trump elected.

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Speaker 1: The border doing great, fantastic.

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Speaker 4: I mean, they're hiccups, but of course there are going

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Speaker 4: to be hiccups and the economy, specifically inflation. And if

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Speaker 4: this screws up the economy and inflation, and the good,

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Speaker 4: solid working class people of America who've really been struggling

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Speaker 4: because globalism has left them behind, if they get hammered

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Speaker 4: again by this, it's going to be really really bad

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Speaker 4: for Republicans.

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Speaker 3: So the President of Mexico, whose name sounds like she's

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Speaker 3: the president of the prime Minister of Israel, as opposed

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Speaker 3: to the Prime Minister of Great Britain, whose name sounds

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Speaker 3: like he's the Prime Minister of Germany, they all.

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Speaker 4: Got to get same, Like he's the bad guy in

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Speaker 4: a non movie Kirs Starmer. I want everybody to get

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Speaker 4: names that sounds like the country they're from just so here.

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Speaker 1: For me, it's not at all bigoted. That's fine. Well

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Speaker 1: it's been going min and Baum.

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Speaker 4: Your new last name is Gomez to make Jack more comfortable.

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Speaker 1: Yes, once I.

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Speaker 3: Have spent most of my life you can count on

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Speaker 3: people's names sounded like.

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Speaker 4: The country they're from, folks. This is the ugly American

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Speaker 4: that people speak of right here.

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Speaker 3: But the president of Mexico has said that there will

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Speaker 3: be retaliation from Mexico to these twenty five percent tariffs

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Speaker 1: I don't know what Justin trud is doing.

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Speaker 3: He's probably as soon as he gets out of ballet class,

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Speaker 3: he'll probably take a look at how they're going to

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Speaker 4: Well, he's getting his hair frosted today, so it's going

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Speaker 4: to be at least new until he respond. On the

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Speaker 4: other hand, on the other hand, and this bothers me too,

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Speaker 4: I love Trump mocking Justin Trudeau. Obviously we're not against

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Speaker 4: that around here, but he's gone so hardcore at Canada

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Speaker 4: you know, declaring it a state and all.

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Speaker 1: He is really fired up.

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Speaker 4: Canadian patriotism and really really hurt the conservative guy Poliev,

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Speaker 4: they run elections in Canada, nobody can keep track, but

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Speaker 4: one poll show that fourign ten Americans see Polliev and

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Speaker 4: Trump is alike in that hurting him. As Canadians increasingly

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Speaker 4: what Trump is saying. Interesting, yeah, yeah, might be a miscalculation,

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Speaker 1: I found this very interesting.

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Speaker 3: You'd hate to see old black face Trudeau's party do

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh that would be galling. I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: their election, they could do whatever they want. But man,

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Speaker 4: I was excited about Pauliev having a chance to come in.

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Speaker 4: Remember he's the apple munching hard ass. It was you know,

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Speaker 4: John with that reporter and one of our favorite clips

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Speaker 4: of last year. It's just terrific.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: So here's I found this very very interesting. Of course

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Speaker 4: I'm a geek. How will the tariffs, if they last,

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Speaker 4: actually affect prices in the country, don't want to rush

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Speaker 1: Why don't we take a break.

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Speaker 4: I promise you'll find this interesting too, if you don't

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Speaker 4: write a strongly.

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Speaker 1: Worded email to us.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Jades, looks you like the popes on his way out.

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Speaker 4: If they had betting, Like what's the big betting market

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Speaker 4: pope's gonna die. That seems to say, if you could,

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Speaker 4: I don't think that would be a bad wager. Now,

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Speaker 4: he's a very old man. He's been fighting ammonia. They're

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Speaker 4: helping him breathe.

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Speaker 3: Respiratory crisis is yesterday and using a tube proxygen. You know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not gonna say, I'll go see him in October.

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Speaker 3: So then we're going to go through the whole thing

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Speaker 4: And I'm about as interested in that as I am

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Speaker 4: in the oscars.

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Speaker 3: Joe's me when it's over, Joe's gonna explain tariffs and

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Speaker 3: all that coming up next day.

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Speaker 1: Here Barmstrong.

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Speaker 5: Tariffs can bring good paying jobs back here to the

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Speaker 5: United States of America. They protect critical industries here at home,

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Speaker 5: and President Trump is serious when he says he wants

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Speaker 5: to make America the manufacturing superpower of the world, and

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Speaker 5: for far too long.

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Speaker 3: That's the White House press person or spokesperson. On Hannity

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Speaker 3: last night with the best spin on the tariffs, Mary

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Speaker 3: address their cost of living issues, I wouldn't.

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Speaker 1: Do the one giant obvious thing.

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Speaker 3: That would risk price hikes and also make it easy

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Speaker 3: to pin any outcome on me.

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Speaker 1: That's fry.

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Speaker 4: I agree with Mary Catherine completely Someone on the right,

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Speaker 4: Caroline Levitt in what she said was fifty percent right

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Speaker 4: and fifty percent completely wrong.

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Speaker 1: But she's there as an advocate and a litigator.

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Speaker 4: I get it, but it was way way sunshiny. Just

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Speaker 4: to answer her very quickly, there isn't time to seriously

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Speaker 4: revive some of the American manufacturing.

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Speaker 1: I wish it were more doable in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 4: I don't hate the idea, but you just Trump has

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Speaker 4: three and a half years left. Unless it's like a

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Speaker 4: JD vance gets selected and Congress goes along with this stuff.

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Speaker 4: You know, revitalizing American manufacturing is going to take a

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Speaker 4: long time, and the idea that will be the manufacturing

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Speaker 4: leader of the world, that is completely impossible. Our wages

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Speaker 4: are too high, It'll never happen. Can we grow it

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Speaker 1: Some yes?

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Speaker 4: Some Having said that, I thought this is really interesting

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Speaker 4: worth getting into. So President Trump is imposing your tariffs

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Speaker 4: on a range of products and countries. How much will

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Speaker 4: you pay more? What will that do to inflation? The

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Speaker 4: For example, a ten percent tariff on shoes from China

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Speaker 4: would raise their sticker price four percent. Probably wine or

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Speaker 3: So normally I wouldn't bring up on the air an

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Speaker 3: amazing love stories of being together all that time. Never

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Speaker 3: had kids in the sixty years, and you know, it's

442
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Speaker 3: not easy, as you've all, as we've all witnessed the

443
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Speaker 3: whole show business marriage, and she's a sex symbol and

444
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,440
Speaker 3: all those things don't often go well, but it did

445
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Speaker 3: for them. Interesting nugget the song Joelene, which also spans many,

446
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Speaker 3: many generations. She wrote about a bank teller who kept

447
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Speaker 3: hitting on her husband and she thought he was going

448
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 3: to the bank and awful lot lately, and this hot

449
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: bank teller, cue bank teller was hitting on him a lot,

450
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Speaker 3: and she wrote the Joelene based on those feelings she had.

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, wow, there's nothing more to it than that. Yeah.

452
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Speaker 4: She's also a bit of a magnate too. She successfully

453
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Speaker 4: translated her brand to the Dollywood franchise and that thing.

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and one of those just amazingly positive people that

455
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Speaker 3: just have the uh, I'm gonna do it and overcome

456
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Speaker 3: anything sort of attitude, which leads me to another thing

457
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Speaker 3: that I came across last night. I don't know how

458
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Speaker 3: many of you are familiar with Saint Teresa of Avla,

459
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Speaker 3: one of your Catholic saints, which maybe the Pope will

460
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Speaker 3: be visiting soon based on his current health. But oh,

461
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Speaker 3: in person, you mean, yeah, I like a shrine. No, Yeah,

462
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Speaker 3: I'm assuming too much here. Saint Teresa Vila lived in

463
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Speaker 3: the fifteen hundreds, so she has been dead for she

464
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Speaker 3: passed for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: Uh, sometimes you will be missed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And one of my favorite prayers of all time,

467
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Speaker 3: whether it's a prayer of a philosophy is hers that

468
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Speaker 3: is fairly well known. Don't ever be frightened, don't ever

469
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Speaker 3: be disturbed. Everything is changing. Basically, it's the idea that

470
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Speaker 3: you know, things are good now, things are bad now, whatever.

471
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Speaker 3: Things are constantly changing, so you know, just make your

472
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Speaker 3: way through it.

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Speaker 4: So if there's a bear charging after me like it's

474
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Speaker 4: the Revenant, I'm not supposed to be frightened or disturbed

475
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Speaker 4: because there was no bear chasing me a minute ago.

476
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Speaker 4: Now there is. And that's the sort of change Saint

477
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Speaker 4: Teresa told us to expect.

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Speaker 1: Exactly. I'll pray as hard as I can. I'm not

479
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Speaker 1: sure that one's going to take.

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Speaker 3: You're a nitpicker on philosophies, that is for certain, anyway.

481
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Speaker 3: You anyway, she wrote an autobiography, and I just came

482
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Speaker 3: across this information yesterday, which I thought was really interesting.

483
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Speaker 3: She wrote autobiography, went back in the fifteen hundreds and

484
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Speaker 3: talking about her addiction to novels about knights and chivalry

485
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Speaker 3: and how much time she was was reading them and

486
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Speaker 3: she just couldn't stop, and she knew it was getting

487
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Speaker 3: in the way of her devotion to God.

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Speaker 1: And I just thought, what an interesting thing.

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Speaker 4: So if you're all remark movies of the fifteen yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: And if you're a don Quixote fan, which was written

491
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Speaker 3: in roughly sixteen fifteen, he was a contemporary of Shakespeare.

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Speaker 3: So don Quixote is basically about a character who's kind

493
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Speaker 3: of mentally ill, but he in the hot books than

494
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Speaker 3: the fifteen hundreds were in Spain, were all about knights

495
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Speaker 3: and chivalry, and they were just like the paperback book

496
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Speaker 3: that everybody loved so much, and don Quixote got obsessed

497
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Speaker 3: with him and wanted to be one of those characters. Well,

498
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Speaker 3: apparently she was reading those books and became obsessed with

499
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Speaker 3: them herself and couldn't stop reading in this just like

500
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Speaker 3: I wasted another day reading you know, Knight's books. When

501
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Speaker 3: am I gonna get my act together and start devoting

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Speaker 3: my life to God like I claim I am?

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Speaker 1: And I just thought that is fascinating. Oh, yeah, on

504
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Speaker 1: a couple of levels.

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Speaker 4: Number one, what a charming revelation about somebody who lived

506
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Speaker 4: many centuries ago. And secondly, you know, to the great

507
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Speaker 4: guiding conservative viewpoint, human nature doesn't change.

508
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Speaker 1: You're not going to reform humanity. You've got to.

509
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Speaker 4: Accept humanity and design systems with incentives and disincentives and

510
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Speaker 4: equal justice for all and blah blah blah, because we're

511
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Speaker 4: not all going to turn into saints when our progressive

512
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Speaker 4: overlords have taught us well enough. But it's funny I

513
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Speaker 4: use the term saints. She's literally saint and couldn't stop

514
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Speaker 4: reading the damn books.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, that is something.

516
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Speaker 3: Something, It's just part of being a human being, battling

517
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Speaker 3: the wasting time on you know, whether you're binge watching

518
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Speaker 3: a Netflix show or you know, whatever it is you're doing.

519
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 3: It's just so easy to do in something. I know,

520
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Speaker 3: I try to fight every single day.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I think every but he on the show

522
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Speaker 4: and in the audience is thinking.

523
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,360
Speaker 1: Now, ah, I sitting a little close to home. What's mine? Yeah?

524
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Speaker 3: About whatever it is, and we all I think, no,

525
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: when we've crossed the line. I mean, they're not wrong

526
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Speaker 3: with watching a Netflix series.

527
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Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with.

528
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Reading, you know, a meaningless book or whatever. But we

529
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,399
Speaker 3: all know when who've crossed the line into this has

530
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Speaker 3: taking up way too much of my time, and it's

531
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Speaker 3: just easy and feels good, and there are other things

532
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Speaker 3: I should be doing.

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Speaker 4: Sure, sure, absolutely, Yeah, have you ever cracked open? Well?

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Speaker 1: I supposed don kyotes.

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Speaker 4: Well it's kind of a comment on those books in

536
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Speaker 4: a way, but have you Are there any translations available

537
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Speaker 4: of old timey chivalry novels?

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Speaker 1: I would imagine there are, but I've never read one.

539
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Speaker 3: But I think you know that would have basically been

540
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Speaker 3: the soap operas of the day, right, A hairline and

541
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Speaker 3: a night and a rescuer and save her from her whatever,

542
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Speaker 3: you know, the kind of stuff people have always liked.

543
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Speaker 4: Prying off his armor than verious subtle hints at what

544
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Speaker 4: was to come, you know, Wow.

545
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Speaker 1: You turned it into fifty shades of gray somehow.

546
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Speaker 4: Well, No, this, surely there was love making. I mean,

547
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Speaker 4: if he's going off to fight the Mongol Hordes or

548
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: the Muslims or Huguenots or whatever for his fair lady's hand,

549
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 4: sure he gets that hand. He's not gonna settle for

550
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Speaker 4: the hand, if you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And remember when I read Don Quixote. We were

552
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Speaker 3: doing this show. We've been doing this show for so

553
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 3: many years. But I read don Quixote, I was amazed

554
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Speaker 3: by the number of flatulence jokes in it. It's just

555
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Speaker 3: like never ending flatulence jokes in one of the great

556
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Speaker 3: novels of.

557
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Speaker 4: All time, and yet you remain a flatulence choke extremist.

558
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't find it funny, well childish. Some polling

559
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Speaker 3: came out. If you're wondering what other people's attitudes is

560
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Speaker 3: are about supporting Russia versus Ukraine or that whole thing,

561
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Speaker 3: there's some polling that came out yesterday, including worldwide polling,

562
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Speaker 3: and uh, well, you tell me what you think of it.

563
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Speaker 1: Among all the things on the way stay with us,

564
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Speaker 1: it was some.

565
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Speaker 3: Business news I saw after two decades Skype is shutting down.

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Speaker 1: Employees knew it was time.

567
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: When the farewell meet it was held over Zoom. Wow,

568
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Speaker 3: Skype was a really big deal. I think that was

569
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Speaker 3: one of the things I wish I had invested in, Like,

570
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Speaker 3: how did you not invest in Skype? Obviously this is

571
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Speaker 3: gonna be the biggest thing ever. Now it's gone, easy come,

572
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 3: easy go. Man in the world attack.

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Speaker 4: So, as I mentioned earlier, dozens and dozens of emails

574
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Speaker 4: about the Ukraine thing, the flap in the Oval office,

575
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Speaker 4: all sorts of different opinions, She's going to hit a couple.

576
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Speaker 1: Uh have you said thank you?

577
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Speaker 4: I like JD Vance, but he came off as an

578
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Speaker 4: insincere leg humper during that Zelensky meeting.

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Speaker 1: Uh, thanks for what JD.

580
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Speaker 4: The Budapest memorandum when they gave you their nukes in

581
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Speaker 4: exchange for the promise of protection. Since Clinton signed the agreement,

582
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Speaker 4: the Russians have attacked and taken gobbles of Ukraine over

583
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Speaker 4: and over again.

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Speaker 1: So he's supposed to thank him for that.

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Speaker 4: He has every justification of punch every US president since

586
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Speaker 4: Clinton in the face. We welshed on the deal. I

587
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: apologize to the Welsh people for that, and he goes

588
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: on on that thing.

589
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: Then we got.

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Speaker 4: Just my two cents President's Trump's position was clearly known

591
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Speaker 4: and telegraphed to all parties, including Ukraine prior to the meeting.

592
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Speaker 4: Of Zelensky didn't want to sign that he shouldn't have

593
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Speaker 4: come to the meeting too. Zelensky was argumentative through the

594
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Speaker 4: meeting and constantly brought up to the security guarantees and lectured

595
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Speaker 4: Trump through the first part of the meeting. I'm summarizing

596
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Speaker 4: Michael's note here in rewatching it. I can't believe Trump

597
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 4: kept his calm as long as he did.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 4: And finally, however one feels about the righteousness of crane struggle,

600
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Speaker 4: theres one undeniable fact. They can't do it without the

601
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Speaker 4: US and he should have known that.

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Speaker 3: And yesterday Lindsey Graham doubled down on calling for Zelensky

603
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Speaker 3: to resign. No one has a voice in Ukraine. They

604
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Speaker 3: need to have an election, and he needs to either

605
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: needs to resign or some sendo over somebody we can

606
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Speaker 3: do business with.

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Speaker 4: A lot of the holies. A dictator he hasn't a

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Speaker 4: held election is ignorance. And well, I'll just say, you're

609
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Speaker 4: ill informed. Why would I cast dispersions because of Ukrainian

610
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 4: law and the constitution. That can't during martial law, during

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Speaker 4: a fight for their lives in wartime. Having said that

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Speaker 4: that second parts, that might be right. Somebody that we

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Speaker 4: can do business with and be productive with. It could

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Speaker 4: be that that just that relationship won't work.

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Speaker 3: So Waltz yesterday tweeted out or Set in an interview

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Speaker 3: I guess, and this is a transcript.

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Speaker 1: He's the National Security Advisor? Is that right? What he is?

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Speaker 3: Anyway, we had a beautiful setting in the East Room,

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Speaker 3: ready for both leaders to sign that would have bound

620
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Speaker 3: the US and Ukraine together economically for a generation. It

621
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Speaker 3: involved critical minerals investment, and commitments from the UK and

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Speaker 3: France to put boots on the ground to help keep

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Speaker 3: the deal in place. This could have been a step

624
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Speaker 3: toward ending the warrant, stopping the destruction, and Zelensky decided

625
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Speaker 3: to get into an argument. His argument, Zelensky's side of

626
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Speaker 3: it is I've signed other things. We've Ukraine has signed

627
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Speaker 3: other things in the Astins twenty fourteen, and Putin's violated

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Speaker 3: all of them.

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Speaker 1: Right, And he's right. There's a question of time, place,

630
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: and manner. Though. You can be right and still screw up. Yeah,

631
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Speaker 1: I think you know those.

632
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Speaker 4: Anybody who sees this as just black and white, I'm sorry,

633
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 4: I don't agree with you. That part about Putin is

634
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 4: one hundred percent right. And if you think he handled

635
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: it terribly and was offensive and belligerent and in a

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Speaker 4: way that you just can't accept in the Oval office

637
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: on camera, you're right too.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe, like Trump, Britain and France were attempting

639
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 3: to slip something into Ukraine that Putin would hate if like,

640
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 3: if you announced it belligerently, but you know your bad

641
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 3: mouthed Zelensky. You bad mouthed Zelensky, you praise Putin, you

642
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: praise Putin. And then he gets up one day and says,

643
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: wait a second, there are thirty thousand French and British

644
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Speaker 3: troops there, and the United States has got a mining

645
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Speaker 3: operation with a whole bunch of Americans and equipment there.

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Speaker 1: How did that lifting your operations? How did I let

647
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Speaker 1: this happen? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Well, and the thought has crossed my mind that as

649
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Speaker 4: Trump and I've been skeptical of Trump's efforts to play

650
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Speaker 4: Putin or flatter Putin or whatever, because Putin's an alligator.

651
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Speaker 1: You can't flatter an alligator.

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Speaker 4: On the other hand, if Trump was thinking, I'm going

653
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Speaker 4: to soft pedal lists and get it under Putin, I'm

654
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Speaker 4: going to soft pedal list, I'm gonna act all friendly,

655
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 4: so he lets down his guard I'm gonna soft pedal list,

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00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: and Zelenski comes in the Oval office and says, we're not.

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Speaker 1: Soft pedaling it. No way we're gonna say Putin will

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Speaker 1: hold this.

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Speaker 4: The one thing we can't do is soft pedal of

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Speaker 4: Putin whether.

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Speaker 1: Trump was right or wrong. That would piss you off. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So, latest polling you go of CBS Russia Ukraine conflict.

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Speaker 3: Who do you support Ukraine, Russia or neither Russia four percent?

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Speaker 3: Neither forty four percent. It's kind of interesting, but Ukraine

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Speaker 3: is the majority in plurality fifty two percent for Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Right. That's where we are in the United States right now.

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Speaker 4: US approaches to that in mind when you see thirty

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Speaker 4: seven percent of social media says up with Russia.

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Speaker 3: Right, says something about social media, Yes, four percent of

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Speaker 3: people's flat out say they're for Russia. Forty four percent

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Speaker 3: do say neither. US approach to foreign policy, US should

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Speaker 3: have a leading role, US should work equally with allies.

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Speaker 3: US shouldn't get involved in the rest of the world.

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't get involved in the rest of the world is

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Speaker 3: only seventeen percent. But US should have a leading role

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Speaker 3: is only sixteen percent. Wow, US should work equally with

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Speaker 3: allies as two thirds.

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Speaker 4: Of Americans, that would require our allies being our equals.

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Speaker 3: I think we all overestimate the power of our allies,

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Speaker 3: and we've kind of allowed that to happen over the years.

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Speaker 3: We are the UN, we are NATO, we are the

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Speaker 3: who we are, everything we support fund are really the

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Speaker 3: backbone of everything.

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Speaker 4: I think if we fully realize the weakness of some

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Speaker 4: of our allies, it would be terrifying or sickening.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: What Trump's trying to do, and he tried to do

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Speaker 3: it in the first term, is you know, kind of

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Speaker 3: let everybody know about this. Hey, ain't they ain't what

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Speaker 3: they claim they are or they ain't putting their money

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Speaker 3: where their mouth is, right man? This is it gonna

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Speaker 3: be interesting to follow over the next weeks, months, and

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Speaker 3: years if you miss a segment at the podcast Armstrong

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Speaker 3: and Getty on demand

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Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty