1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: What's up? This is Ray Saron Jenkins and you're listening 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 1: to the Chargers podcast network. What's up, guys? Chris Harry 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: with you on another episode of Chargers Weekly, our second 4 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: one this week. I hope you guys are having a 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:20,279 Speaker 1: great week. Training camp coming to a close as we 6 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: prepare for Week one and the Cincinnati Bengals coming up. 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: Around the NFL's Mark Sessler and Dan hands Is gonna 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: join me. We talk all things Chargers, including hard knocks. 9 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: Dan writes a weekly Hard Knocks column on NFL dot com. 10 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 1: So we dive into hard Knocks plus expectations for the 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: Bolts in twenty twenty. Can they be one of seven 12 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: teams to make the playoffs in the AFC? So, without 13 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 1: further ado, here's Dan and Mark. All right, let's bring 14 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: up my guys, Dan hands Is, Mark Sessler around the NFL, 15 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: These guys all over the podcast scene, NFL. Now where 16 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: you guys gotta show. How's everything going, guys? I don't know, 17 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: trying to survive. Yeah, I don't even know where to begin. 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,639 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we're alive. It looks like football's coming. 19 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: There's no complaints to be had, even if both Mark 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: and my houses are on fire. Yeah, I think like 21 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: at least at least it's um. It would be tough 22 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: if only one of us on the show, for instance, 23 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: had you know, little rascals running around from six in 24 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: the morning till six and night while you're attempting to 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: popple together football takes. But we're all sort of in 26 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: the same boat, and that helps a little bit. You 27 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: can commiserate a little bit. But it's um. You know, 28 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: I've always wanted weird years to happen in America. Now 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: we're in one, and I'm not sure I am enjoying 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: it quite as much as I thought I would. Yeah, 31 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: not not this kind of Wait. First of all, I 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: had the had the Little Rascals jumped into any any shows, 33 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: any podcasts. I'm sure it's happened once or twice. I 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: think it happened. It happens, so it was such a novelty, 35 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: I think across the board for everyone early and now 36 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: it's just like, not only am I slightly sick of 37 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: my own children, I'm sick of Greg's Greg's kid kids, 38 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: I'm sick of everyone else's kids. I don't need to 39 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: see anyone else on TV anymore. But but Dan, maybe 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: you have a sunnier view of that. No. I think 41 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,480 Speaker 1: the last time that Walker jumped on Greg's Mike, his 42 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: young son, I think I snapped at him and told 43 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: him to go to his room. That's just how you're 44 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: parenting other people's kids at this point in twenty Well, hey, guys, 45 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: I love doing this with you. We do this every year, 46 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: and you know we're seven days away from Chiefs Texans. 47 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: But I want to talk some Chargers and Dan, you 48 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: do this awesome write up of Hard Knocks each episode. 49 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: Just want to get your overall thoughts on this season 50 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: which you've seen from the Chargers specifically. I feel like 51 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: the last couple of episodes have been skewed a little 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: more heavy Charges. Maybe it's just me, but it seems 53 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: like it was kind of like a sixty forty split 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: this past week. Yeah, and I think that's what it's been, 55 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: and it's a good thing. I remember speaking with the 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: executive producer and the showrunner of Hard Knocks before the 57 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: season began, and I asked the question, so, if one 58 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: team becomes a little more interesting than the other team, 59 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: are are you gonna try to do a fifty split? 60 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Are you're gonna follow the story, and he gave me 61 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: an answer like, there's gonna be plenty of stuff on 62 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: each side. But at the end of the day, I 63 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: think the Chargers are a more compelling team, which I 64 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: think is a victory for the organization, because if you're 65 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: talking about people on the outside that aren't following the 66 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,679 Speaker 1: team day to day, it was hard to really put 67 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: an identity on the Chargers. And now that you're getting 68 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: inside that building and getting this great access, the episode 69 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: that we just saw was incredibly powerful with Anthony Lynn, 70 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: who's just revealed himself to the greater public to be 71 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: just a great leader of men's Special teams coordinator George Stewart, 72 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: the address that he delivered in the locker room before 73 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 1: the scrimmage was canceled at SOFI Stadium. I think it's 74 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: been a great peak behind the curtain to see the 75 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: leadership that's running that franchise. And you've got to be 76 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: feeling pretty good as a Chargers fan when you see 77 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: these guys at the controls. I think the best thing 78 00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: about Hard Knocks is when you learn about for me, 79 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: the coaches and like I became this huge Anthony Land 80 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: fan during this and we have a text thread a 81 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: bunch of us you know, NFL guys and gals and 82 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: like we we kind of like you know way and 83 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 1: during Hard Knocks, I think Anthony Lynn has won a 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 1: number of people over and I've been pretty hard on 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: the show and i've in general and it's this season though, 86 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: the last episode, to me was the best Hard Knocks 87 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: episode I've ever watched because it just veered so far 88 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: away from familiar beats and kind of captured a really 89 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: wild week in America in a way that doing nothing 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: else had. I don't know if it's a season that 91 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: I would sit down and binge watch two or three 92 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: times because it's pretty sober and heavy, but it's been 93 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: it's been the best, the best job HBO is done. 94 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,239 Speaker 1: I think in a while, it's relatable to what's happening today. 95 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: And I was driving up, I was at that what 96 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: was supposed to be a scrimmage. I knew DJ Money 97 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: were in the booth forward. Everybody was ready to see 98 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: these guys take the field, and you just got the 99 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: sense that things were going to be a little bit different. 100 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: And I think Tom Tolesko kind of put it best 101 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: when he was interviewed on the fields, like we've been 102 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: waiting for this stadium to be built for three years, 103 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: but just today was not today to play football in 104 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: that stadium, and you know, you go there. I can't 105 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: even describe the place. It doesn't look real. It looks 106 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: like you're stepping into a maddened game. It looks fake. 107 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: So I can't wait for these guys to actually hit 108 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: the grass and play football, but just to be there, 109 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: and really, these guys kind of made history. I mean, 110 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the first Chargers team to play 111 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: Sofi Stadium. First time they step into that place. They're 112 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: standing up for something that's a little bit bigger than football. 113 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: So I agree with you guys. I think this past 114 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: episode really kind of transcends anything we've seen with Hard 115 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: Knocks for sure, and I Tyrod Taylor has become his 116 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 1: own Hard Knocks trope as the veteran quarterback that everybody 117 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: loves inside the building that lives, Shriverer, the narrator of 118 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, is gushing over and by the end of 119 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: the fifth episode, you're thinking this guy is the superstar. 120 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: But in reality, just like with the Brown season in 121 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, he's got a shot rookie looking over his shoulder. 122 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: But it's just interesting to see why Taylor keeps getting 123 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: hired by different teams, why he gets put in that 124 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: starting position, because not only is he somebody that has 125 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: the ability to lead an NFL team on the field effectively, Uh, 126 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: he's just such a great leader. And you see that. 127 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,479 Speaker 1: And Justin Herbert has so much work to do. Clearly, 128 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 1: in any first round pick, I don't care about the 129 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: position that you're in. What position you play is in 130 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 1: a tough situation. But I mean, to be a young 131 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: quarterback like Herbert, he needs time to be groomed. So 132 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: it's so invaluable to have Tyrod in that building. I 133 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: don't feel like hard Knox did Justin Herbert a huge 134 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 1: favor out of the gate. I mean, and I you know, 135 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: people have their takes on Baker. You didn't, Yeah, that's fine, 136 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: but I just I didn't. I don't come away with 137 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: this confidence that he's going to jump in in week 138 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: two and um, you know, an act of revolution. I 139 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: think that, like, if anything, you've got the Anthony Lynn 140 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: who is completely comfortable with Tyrod Taylor, and so I 141 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: just you know, you're around the team and Chris but 142 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,679 Speaker 1: I just to meet Justin Herbert feels like a slow 143 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: bank operation here. We don't need to push him into 144 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: the fire, you know, on September thirteenth or so. Listen. 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is probably the exception. But like these guys 146 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: have only spent time with each other for a month. 147 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: You know, this was all done virtual in the offseason. 148 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: And Zach Taylor doesn't have a guy like Tyrode, like 149 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: Anthony Lynn went to a Pro Bowl with Tyrode, or 150 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: Tyrode went to a Pro Bowl rather as a member 151 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 1: of the Bills in twenty fifteen with coach Lynn on 152 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: that on that staff, so he knows Tyrode in the 153 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: biggest thing. And you guys know this better than anybody 154 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: that the Chargers turned the ball over way too much 155 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 1: last year and Tyrode doesn't do that. So if if 156 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: they can get Tyrode in a situation to hey, I'm 157 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: not going to make mistakes and the defense is going 158 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: to get the ball a little bit more than they 159 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: got last year because they didn't turn the ball over, 160 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: that five and eleven record could easily be a nine 161 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: and seven at ten and six record. I think that's 162 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: what they're banking on. Let me ask you a question, Chris, 163 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 1: because you are you are close obviously to the team. 164 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: One thing I did take out of the last episode, 165 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: but really the first four in general, is that Philip 166 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: Rivers and maybe it stamped outs, but Philip Rivers is 167 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: arguably the greatest charges quarterback ever. I kind of would 168 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: get the vibe and maybe this is just an editing 169 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: decision by NFL Films and HBO that Rivers would cast 170 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: a greater shadow and he'd be a guy that was 171 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: getting mentioned or there would just get to be this 172 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: feel as you're watching the show, that they're moving on 173 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: from this guy that was a central piece of the organization. 174 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: If anything, the only thing that even got on my 175 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: radar about Rivers being a part of this organization in 176 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 1: the past is a coach looks over to Lynn after 177 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: Herbert scrambles out of the pocket and delivers a pass 178 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 1: on the money down field. Hecaues, we got a quarterback 179 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: who can move now, And I was like, Oh, that's 180 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: the first time I've even thought of Philip Rivers. Is 181 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: he a guy like this? His shadow limit all in 182 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: that organization, because it doesn't feel like that way on 183 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,199 Speaker 1: premium cable well, you know what's weird about it. I 184 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: just think that the way that this whole season has 185 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: shook out, Like the release came out that Philip was 186 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: going to test free agency, and obviously he goes to 187 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: the Colts and that's in what February, you know, and 188 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: then everything that happens, you know, you know, the draft 189 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: seems like years ago, you know, and that's when they 190 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: drafted Justin Herbert. Tyrod has been in that building. So 191 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 1: I just I don't want to see say Philip is 192 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: thought of as like, Okay, that guy's gone now, because 193 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: he's gonna come back. He's gonna have this jersey retired, 194 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: and he may have very well have a gold jacket. 195 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: But I just think so much has happened over the 196 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:31,839 Speaker 1: last six seven months that says, okay, you know, we 197 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: have to turn the page. We have no choice. We 198 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: have this young kid in here, Justin Herbert, who possesses 199 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: all the tools. We look at him as the future 200 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: of the franchise. And then we have a guy in 201 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: Tyrod who's here last year. And I think there's so 202 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 1: many little changes that we don't think about too, with 203 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: Melvin Gordon gone and James Camping coming in to be 204 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: the offensive line coach, and Ran Bulaga and Trey Turner 205 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: coming in. This offense is going to look drastically different. 206 00:09:56,679 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: So I just maybe it's maybe it's an editing decision, Dan, 207 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,439 Speaker 1: but I just feel like that they had they turned 208 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: the page in terms of making Shane Steke in the 209 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: permanent offensive coordinator, bringing in Pep Hamilton, and really kind 210 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: of changing the face of this offense. And I'm fascinated 211 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:14,680 Speaker 1: as anybody as to what it's going to look like 212 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: we went against the Bengals, because you know, we just 213 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: haven't seen it. I think you could throw all those 214 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: offensive numbers out the window from last year where they 215 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: couldn't run the football. I think they're gonna run the 216 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: football with Eckler and Joshua Kelly who's been oppressive, and 217 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: hopefully Justin Jackson who can stay healthy. But I just 218 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: I look at this Chargers offense is a completely new operation. Yeah, 219 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: I would say, also, you have the most banged up, 220 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: depleted wide receiver room in the NFL going into Week one, 221 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: So it's not going to be some sort of air 222 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: raid esque attack to begin with. It wasn't going to 223 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: be even if everyone were healthy. And Echoler to me 224 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: is he was the best player on the field at 225 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: times last year for the Chargers, and you know they 226 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: they wanted There were games last year. I remember, back 227 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: when we actually used to sit in offices across from 228 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: Chris Westley, we were both sort of scanning the late 229 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: season Chargers game and I really thought they wanted to 230 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: put Tyrod Taylor in back then. It just feels like 231 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: something that Lynn has wanted for a long time, total 232 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: run heavy approach, and you've got it with Ekeler, and like, 233 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:20,959 Speaker 1: why shift away from that? It's probably gonna look closer 234 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: to something from nineteen seventy three than today. Yeah, you 235 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: know what that maybe I'm answering my own question now, Chris, 236 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: But now that Mark brought that up, it reminds me that, listen, 237 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: we talked to people, you heard whispers around the Chargers 238 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: in the Philip Rivers situation, that maybe the reason it 239 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: feels that it was such a clean break is that, 240 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: you know, the Chargers by the time last season wrapped up, 241 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: they wanted one. And this is just kind of the 242 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: new era. They're in Los Angeles. The jerseys are fresh, 243 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: the stadium's amazing, and that's the way the organization organization 244 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: is right now just looking forward. Hey, I wanted to 245 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: ask you about Derwin James too, because this has happened 246 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: two years in a row. The year before that, Joey 247 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: Bosa goes down with a foot in jury. Just wanted 248 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on what you thought of the 249 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: Chargers going into twenty twenty with Durwin and then how 250 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,840 Speaker 1: much that changes in your mind without him knowing that. 251 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: The defense I think is going to be better, regardless 252 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: when you talk about bringing that guys like Lynball Joseph 253 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: and Chris Harris Jr. And drafting Kenneth Murray through tranquil 254 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: maybe in year two stepping up, but but losing thirty 255 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,040 Speaker 1: three is a blow. I think if you're if you're 256 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: Gus Bradley, if you had hair, you're pulling it out 257 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: because it's this is two years in a row and 258 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,679 Speaker 1: anything he wanted to do with the defense you just 259 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: can't do. I think they wanted to probably run like 260 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: a version of like constant dime defense and just put it, 261 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: put him all over the field, and he's gone and 262 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: you and there's really no replacement, and there's still a 263 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,120 Speaker 1: lot of it's kind of a star heavy team in general, 264 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: and there's stars on defense and names that everyone knows. 265 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: But I mean on other teams, losing a safety you 266 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 1: get by. On this team, it wasn't. He's not a safety. 267 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: He plays like four or five different position. He's a 268 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: total X factor that other teams, you know, spend a 269 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: week trying to figure out how to deal with on Sunday. 270 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: So the cost is huge and it takes kind of 271 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: the special element of that defense away, and you're starting 272 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: from behind with sixteen games to go, and you're talking 273 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:21,600 Speaker 1: to the right guys, Chris, because Mark has a Brown's background. 274 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: I grew up as a Jets fan. We know what 275 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: it's like to be a snake bitten franchise, and the 276 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: Chargers they fit right into that. It just feels like, 277 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: you know, how many times does this happen? Where they 278 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: seem so well lined up to have just a great season. 279 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: And that's not just say this. They still can't have 280 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: a great season with what they have left because they 281 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: have a loaded front seven and in the secondary that 282 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: has depth, and they could still make it happen. But 283 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: if you just imagined what would have happened now, they 284 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: got Joey Bosa under contract, you got Ingram happy, and 285 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 1: then if you put Derwin James fully healthy for sixteen games, 286 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:58,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about arguably a league best defense. And now James, 287 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: who has talked about is you know, a generational type 288 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: talent at safety if and when he makes it back 289 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: to the field in twenty twenty one in Week one, 290 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,959 Speaker 1: and we hope he does, and it seems like he 291 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: will based on the timetable, he'll have missed twenty seven 292 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: of the last thirty two games that the Chargers have played. 293 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: That's just crushing and it just it stinks as a 294 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: Chargers coach Anthony Lynn, Gus Bradley, but the fans, Yeah, 295 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: it's just it does really frustrate you to see a 296 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: player of that caliber just disappeared two years in Romost. 297 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: You know what's another blow is the fact that twenty 298 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: eighteen Joey Bosa miss is the first ten eleven games. 299 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: That's when Durwin had his first team All Pro rookie season. 300 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: They didn't really share the field together. Last year, Joey 301 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: had a great year, Durwin didn't play to the last 302 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: five games and they were you know, it's he wasn't 303 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: one hundred percent probably going into Week eleven or Week twelve, 304 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: and now this year another missed opportunity to see those 305 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: guys on the field together. That's what I was looking 306 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: forward to the most is seeing Joey Bosa and Drwin 307 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: James together, and we're not going to get that in 308 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. But at the same time, the interior pass 309 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: rush is what was lacking last year for the Chargers. 310 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: We know Ingram and Bosa can get to the quarterback, 311 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: but they weren't able to generate an interior pass rush 312 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: with Linval Joseph. You saw what he did in Minnesota 313 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,880 Speaker 1: with Hunter and Griffin. If he can get to the 314 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: quarterback in a division with Patrick Mahomes and Lock and 315 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: car team to throw the football a lot, I can 316 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: see that secondary getting more turnovers with Chris Harris Junior 317 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: and Casey Hayward and company as opposed to last year 318 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 1: when they were really just relying on Bosa and Ingram 319 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: to get to the quarterback. There's there's more guys that 320 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: can do that this year. Yeah. And if you look 321 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: at like the Chiefs, I think the most underrated player 322 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: never talked about is Mitchell Schwartz at right tackle, who's 323 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: going to take away in some games your best pass rusher, 324 00:15:44,480 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: so you know you need to have it come from 325 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: the inside. I mean, and it matters a lot more 326 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: on an a positive angle against like a Broncos team 327 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 1: that seems to be working on their offensive line for 328 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: the four hundred and seventh year in a row. So 329 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: it's like any extra guy in there, and Linval Joseph 330 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: is you know, the size of a front door. Are 331 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: like an annoyed front door that's gonna come at you. 332 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 1: And Mark, can I interrouse me for a second, because 333 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: there was there was like five or six guys who 334 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: described Linval Joseph last week. Uh ray Sewn Jenkins called 335 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: him a mobile home. Um. Sam Tevy called him a 336 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: running coke machine. Someone called him a mack truck. There 337 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: was like four or five different adjectives to describe him. 338 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: It was I like annoyed front door person. Yeah no, 339 00:16:30,640 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: I think I think Limball is gonna make a difference 340 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: on the defense. Um, hey, one more and then I 341 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: want you to guys to pub everything you have going 342 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: on in twenties twenty. The Chargers, the fact that there's 343 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: a seventh team that's gonna make the playoffs. This year. 344 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: I think I think a lot of people forget that 345 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: with everything that's going on this offseason, Um, how do 346 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: you see the Chargers stacking up in the AFC and 347 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: the AFC West specifically, knowing what you know going into 348 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: Week one against the Bengals, what do you think of 349 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: the Chargers here this year? I think they absolutely fit 350 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: into that wildcard conversation. And I think with or without 351 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: Derwin James, this is a team to me that has 352 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: a pretty high floor. I feel like this is a 353 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: team with a floor like around eight wins and a 354 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: ceiling up to let's say ten, maybe even eleven if 355 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: some things go their way, and that absolutely puts you 356 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: in the conversation to get back to January football. Now 357 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: you happen to have the best team in the league 358 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 1: in your division. Again, as a Jets fan, I know 359 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: what that's like with the Patriots for the past twenty years. 360 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: How that was. It's annoying. But the pathway is there 361 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: to the playoffs, and that would be huge growth for 362 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: the organization, especially first year Philip Rivers if they can 363 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: hover around ten wins and get into the playoffs. And 364 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: I think that is not a pipe tream by any stretch. 365 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: I think they have, you know, the names to get 366 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: to do what Dan just mentioned. I'm suspect of Tyrod 367 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,439 Speaker 1: Taylor as a sixteen game starter creating the you know, 368 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: an offense that makes the Chargers the seventh best team 369 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: in the AFC when you've got the Steelers, the Ravens, 370 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: the Bills. Even in your own division, I think the 371 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 1: Broncos and Raiders will be feisty, if not much improved themselves. 372 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: So it's gonna be rough. But what I do like 373 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 1: is that you've got You've got your veteran coaching staff. 374 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: A lot of the defensive names are still the same. 375 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, you can always rely on Keenan Allen, Austin 376 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: Ekeler is that guy. So I mean, I agree eight 377 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 1: eight wins should be the floor or I think that's 378 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: a disappointment. And with a seventh team, I know that 379 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: there's all these studies that say, like no, no, no, 380 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: the seventh team probably usually will still have nine wins, 381 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 1: but in this season, I mean, who knows. So I 382 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if they you know, had an advantage, 383 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: eked out a nine and seven you know schedule and 384 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: got in there. If we play sixteen games. And one 385 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: more thought I had about Tyrod because we know what 386 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: happened last time. He was unhard knocks with the Browns 387 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: and with Baker Mayfield behind him, the Browns were a 388 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:50,159 Speaker 1: team coming off oh in sixteen and anything would have 389 00:18:50,200 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: been just winning five games that year would have been 390 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:56,199 Speaker 1: a success. And it's different with this Chargers team. And 391 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm just curious what happens if Tyrod plays at a 392 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: steady level and the Chargers are in the playoff race. 393 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: Let's say by the time we get to Thanksgiving, you 394 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: want to get the kid in there, because that's what 395 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 1: we do in the NFL. Now, we put the rookie 396 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: in after about a month or so. But it's gonna 397 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: be different the way the Chargers are constructed and the 398 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: way the playoff field is sorted out, Anthony Lynn, it 399 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,399 Speaker 1: might be tempted to keep Tyrod in there. Uh you know, 400 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: and see what happens. Well, Dan, don't you think they 401 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: probably would look a lot like the Bills team from 402 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 1: two years ago that was very limited on offense, I mean, 403 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: chose to be run heavy, very good defense, got into 404 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: a wildcard game and lost a wildcard game to the Jaguars. 405 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: One of what was that school game ten to nine, 406 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: one of the weirdest playoff games I've ever witnessed. I mean, 407 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 1: it's not gonna go. It's not gonna look like a 408 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: high fly in twenty twenty offense. You're gonna have to 409 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: find other ways to get it done. The thing is 410 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:52,399 Speaker 1: that the ceiling is higher than those Bills, because I 411 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 1: know what you're saying. Tyrode has never had weapons like 412 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: this in any year with the Bills the Browns. When 413 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: you have Keenan Allen and Mike Williams and Hunter Henry 414 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: and Austin Eckler. I mean those are four guys, Austin 415 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,479 Speaker 1: Ecklers essentially the wide receiver three. You line them up 416 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: in the slot and line them up the outside out 417 00:20:09,119 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: of the backfield called ninety two balls last year. So 418 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: tyros never really had weapons like that. And then a 419 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: couple of that with just his ability to make the 420 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:18,680 Speaker 1: big plays with his legs. I'm just really intrigued to 421 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: see what he looks like in an offense with really 422 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: competent weapons on the outside. Couple with the fact that 423 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,040 Speaker 1: he didn't turned the ball over. Where does that put 424 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: you in the fourth quarter? Does that put you ahead, 425 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,920 Speaker 1: and can your defense finish the job. I think that's 426 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: what Anthony Lynn wants to see, especially the first half 427 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: of the year. If TYROI can consistently keep these guys 428 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 1: in games, then you got a really good shot at 429 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: being a wildcard team or who knows, at least competing 430 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: with the Chiefs for the AFC West. You never know, 431 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: you never know, Fella's final thing. Publics you have going 432 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 1: on twenty twenty. I know the podcast, the NFL Network show. 433 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: It's always cool to see your success, and I know 434 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: fans are really excited to see you guys on the 435 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 1: network this year. Thanks Chris. Yeah, and we've loved watching 436 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: your career explode over the last three or four years, 437 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: even then and then and then and then and then 438 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: and then and then and then and then and then 439 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 1: and then and then and then and then and then 440 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: and then and then and then and then and then 441 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:45,400 Speaker 1: and then and then and then and then and then 442 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: and then and then and then and then and then 443 00:21:54,080 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: and then and then and then under such such such suspens, 444 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: such such sustention sus sus sus sus sus sus sus 445 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:15,439 Speaker 1: sus sus sus sus sus sus sus sus sus sus 446 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: sus sus sustention sus sus sustentions, such such suspens, such sustention, 447 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: such such suspens,