Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous. It is La La Kun. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the Give Them La La Podcast. I'm freaking losing my
Speaker 1: mind today because I have no I'm losing my shit.
Speaker 1: By the way, I have cal Lowry from Teen Mom,
Speaker 1: but you have gone above and beyond since then. I
Speaker 1: can't believe it's been this long since you, like started
Speaker 1: in the public eye. Hi, how are you welcome?
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I can't believe I'm sitting
Speaker 2: with you crazy.
Speaker 1: It is crazy. And you know I wrote into the
Speaker 1: little like Instagram podcast thing and everyone was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, this was the duo I never knew I needed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I agree with that. I cannot believe
Speaker 1: we've never crossed paths. I started watching Teen Mom. I
Speaker 1: think it came out in two thousand and nine. Right,
Speaker 1: you made your first appearance twenty ten, twenty ten, so
Speaker 1: I had just graduated from high school. How did that
Speaker 1: process go? Did you just get like I don't I
Speaker 1: don't understand how MTV found you all.
Speaker 2: Well, so there's a little bit of a difference between
Speaker 2: like the season one girls like Macy Caitlin, they got
Speaker 2: on a little bit differently. I think that their's was
Speaker 2: like Craigslist posts and stuff like that. Yeah, and so
Speaker 2: once that one sort of took off and they did
Speaker 2: season two of sixteen and Pregnant. I had seen it
Speaker 2: on MTV dot com it said now casting, So I
Speaker 2: like took initiative and like applied.
Speaker 1: I guess, wow, Craigslist, that is a the throwback of
Speaker 1: a website, like a.
Speaker 3: Blast from the past. Do people still use Craigslist?
Speaker 1: I think once people started getting murdered when they would
Speaker 1: like find their roommate on there, I think it kind
Speaker 1: of like had its day, but I mean it changed
Speaker 1: your guys' lives.
Speaker 3: It really did.
Speaker 1: So did they have someone come in and just like
Speaker 1: interview you, Like, once you did the application process, you
Speaker 1: had someone obviously come in an interview, right, No, So no, they.
Speaker 2: Called me two weeks I had sent like maybe like
Speaker 2: a paragraph and I was like explaining my living situation
Speaker 2: that I was already pregnant, and two weeks later when
Speaker 2: they called me, everything had already changed. I had already
Speaker 2: moved in with you know, my son's dad at the time,
Speaker 2: and so from the time I emailed to that first
Speaker 2: phone call and then they were like, Okay, we really
Speaker 2: liked what you had to say, like, we're going to
Speaker 2: submit a questionnaire. It's like hundreds of questions, a psycho
Speaker 2: val all of this. We didn't ever get interviewed in person.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well at least I never did. I never got
Speaker 3: interviewed in person.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The first day that I met everybody was the first
Speaker 2: day we filmed.
Speaker 1: How intimidating.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.
Speaker 1: At that age. I can't imagine having a camera crew
Speaker 1: come in and it's your most vulnerable time you're a child,
Speaker 1: yourself becoming a mom.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: What do you think the difference is now with reality
Speaker 1: TV versus when you filmed a reality show? Do you
Speaker 1: feel like it's more contrived where it's more produced and
Speaker 1: back in the day when you started it was more raw.
Speaker 3: No, I think it for my experience.
Speaker 2: I mean I was on for thirteen years, and I
Speaker 2: really think the only thing that really changed was me,
Speaker 2: Like I realized early on that I could be manipulated
Speaker 2: and give them what they want without having a say,
Speaker 2: versus eight nine years in. I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 2: I know how this is going to be edited. I
Speaker 2: know what this is going to look like after the fact.
Speaker 2: I know how people are going to perceive this. I
Speaker 2: know that they have to edit down six months of
Speaker 2: content to you know, four minutes per episode, and so
Speaker 2: I started to push back because I was like, this
Speaker 2: is not how I want this to be shown. I
Speaker 2: want it to be shown bigger picture. And so I
Speaker 2: think truly all throughout all thirteen years, it was the same.
Speaker 1: You wanted to take control of your own narrative because
Speaker 1: you knew at that point in time what the game was. Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like if you weren't there for huge
Speaker 2: moments and they had us wearing wigs, or they'd have
Speaker 2: us like change our phone number contacts to a producer
Speaker 2: that was on set. So for example, if my ex
Speaker 2: texted me something outrageous and they weren't there for the
Speaker 2: real moment, one, they would have me change my producer's
Speaker 2: name and my phone to be my exes and then
Speaker 2: they would text me a similar text so that they
Speaker 2: could get an on screen reaction. And so we called
Speaker 2: them pickups, and they were not real time. Or you'd
Speaker 2: see like someone's hair would be changed because they only
Speaker 2: got half of it and they didn't get the other half.
Speaker 2: And so for that it was really hard as like
Speaker 2: a young adult and a teenager to go through those
Speaker 2: sorts of things, because then we're being ripped to shreds
Speaker 2: for something that didn't necessarily even have been.
Speaker 1: That way, right, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: although this was your real life, this was entertainment for
Speaker 1: the rest of the world watching.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still had to put in those pieces
Speaker 2: for it to make sense to the audience.
Speaker 3: And I do understand that.
Speaker 2: I get it. It's just it was very hard to
Speaker 2: do as a young adult.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even imagine. I started reality TV when
Speaker 1: I was twenty three. I can't imagine starting at sixteen
Speaker 1: and you know, expecting my first child. What was the
Speaker 1: relationship with your mom? Like back then, I.
Speaker 2: Never had a great relationship with my mom. It was
Speaker 2: always tumultuous. It was always very touch and go. She
Speaker 2: didn't raise me. My whole life.
Speaker 3: I sort of was like wherever someone would take me,
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 1: Like with friends or grandboyfriends.
Speaker 2: Yep, grandparents, friends, everybody, Like my mom would leave me
Speaker 2: for weeks at a time and never call, never check up,
Speaker 2: never leave money, like never, Like she sort of was
Speaker 2: just like whoever will take care.
Speaker 3: That was just how That's how I grew up.
Speaker 1: Do you have siblings my.
Speaker 2: Biological father as another daughter in Texas, and then he
Speaker 2: has children in the Philippines.
Speaker 1: Okay, And did you have a relationship with him.
Speaker 3: No, I met him on TV for the first time.
Speaker 1: So you went into parenting not knowing what the fuck
Speaker 1: you were doing because you didn't even have anyone to
Speaker 1: look at to go, oh, this is how it's done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and sort of that was like my mentality was like,
Speaker 2: I'm going to give this baby.
Speaker 3: What I didn't have was sort of where I was at.
Speaker 1: I think that that's beautiful. You you you, I mean
Speaker 1: you you changed the direction. You broke the cycle. So
Speaker 1: once you had your first, uh, your first child, you
Speaker 1: have seven children, Cale, I shook it to my fucking core.
Speaker 1: I have to be honest, because I remember watching you
Speaker 1: and like Isaac coming into the picture and like your
Speaker 1: first love. And then I remember seeing like Cale Lowry
Speaker 1: is having twins. Her it'll be her her seventh child.
Speaker 1: I mean, were you expecting twins? Is that something that
Speaker 1: runs in your family or the father's family? Twins?
Speaker 2: So I don't know how many people really know this,
Speaker 2: but twins always come from the mom's side. So even
Speaker 2: if the dad has twins in their family. It's sort
Speaker 2: of irrelevant.
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the mom's side is what carries is genetic
Speaker 2: or hereditary, is paternal twins and then identical twins. There's
Speaker 2: no there's no biological or like hereditary component there.
Speaker 3: That's just like I was gonna say, risk, that's just
Speaker 3: by chance.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I do have paternal twins in my family, and Elijah,
Speaker 2: oddly enough has identical and paternal in his family. So
Speaker 2: it was just like it was okay, I just didn't
Speaker 2: expect to be pregnant at all.
Speaker 3: Like I didn't know I was pregnant at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's break this down. Obviously, you're first born
Speaker 1: was in Oh shit, we're sixteen and we're having a babby.
Speaker 1: Your other children, was there a conversation about wanting to
Speaker 1: bring them into the world or were they all and
Speaker 1: I don't want to say oopsies, but were they all
Speaker 1: like very happy oopsies?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So the only one that was planned was Lincoln
Speaker 3: and I was married, right.
Speaker 1: I remember that's Hovey's son, right, Yes, Okay, I.
Speaker 2: Would say they're all they were all pleasant surprises. I
Speaker 2: would say, with the exception of number four was a
Speaker 2: very toxic time, and so he so creed number four
Speaker 2: was I think the most trying time in my life,
Speaker 2: and so that one was a really difficult decision because
Speaker 2: I did contemplate possibly terminating the pregnancy. But I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that he's here, and I'm so glad
Speaker 2: that I decided not to.
Speaker 1: What is it like, I know what it's like to
Speaker 1: have a baby daddy? What is it like having you
Speaker 1: have four of them? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Holy shit?
Speaker 2: What I like to say three in an ex husband
Speaker 2: because my ex husband was never.
Speaker 3: A baby daddy?
Speaker 1: Which dad was that?
Speaker 3: That was Hobby Lincoln's dad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a baby daddy.
Speaker 3: No, he never was, never will be. He's like, he's
Speaker 3: my ex husband.
Speaker 1: And you have a good relationship with him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean it's not saying that they weren't trying times,
Speaker 2: because we've definitely been through it.
Speaker 3: But I think that through it.
Speaker 2: All, we have always maintained Lincoln's best interest, and so
Speaker 2: no matter how many personal emotions got in the way
Speaker 2: or how convoluted everything got him, and I always maintained
Speaker 2: what's in the best interest of Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I think, no matter what sort of situation that you're
Speaker 1: placed in with the father of your child. You're gonna
Speaker 1: go through the rough patches, right, there's a reason why
Speaker 1: the relationship ended. And I think you saying that you
Speaker 1: always put Lincoln first. I would say that that is
Speaker 1: a healthy and thriving co parenting relationship. The other three
Speaker 1: like what is the custody situation? Like, I mean, do
Speaker 1: you have your kids the majority of the time, do
Speaker 1: you try and keep them on the same schedule as
Speaker 1: far as going to their dad's house.
Speaker 3: So, Delaware is typically a fifty to fifty state unless
Speaker 3: otherwise agreed upon. So if you are divorced, do you
Speaker 3: go through, you know, a separation with your partner, even
Speaker 3: if you're not married, it's a fifty to fifty state,
Speaker 3: whether that's two two three or week on, week off.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 2: When Habby and I got divorced, immediately was Isaac and
Speaker 2: Lincoln on the exact same fifty to fifty schedule where
Speaker 2: we would exchange on the same exact day, holidays were
Speaker 2: the same, everything was sort of the same. And then
Speaker 2: for Lux and Creed it's a little bit different because
Speaker 2: of the circumstances and how toxic that relationship was. And
Speaker 2: so that is a ninety ten split, and he also
Speaker 2: lives out of state, so he can't necessarily have fifty
Speaker 2: to fifty. And then so when they do go to
Speaker 2: their dads on you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, it's on
Speaker 2: the same weekends that the other two are gone as well.
Speaker 2: So that way everyone is sort of on the same schedule,
Speaker 2: and same for holidays, like they all get the holidays
Speaker 2: and everything like that.
Speaker 3: It's all the same schedule.
Speaker 1: That's very nice. What is the relationship like between all
Speaker 1: the kids right now?
Speaker 3: It's great.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're in a really I think the middle
Speaker 2: two have the hardest time because they're the closest in
Speaker 2: age and they don't get a break when they go
Speaker 2: from my house to their dad's house, and so there's
Speaker 2: no separation for them where I think, you know, my
Speaker 2: oldest goes to his dad's, he gets a break from
Speaker 2: the rest of his siblings, and same for Lincoln, and
Speaker 2: so it's a little bit different when Lux and Creed.
Speaker 2: They don't get a break from each other ever. And
Speaker 2: I think it's so fascinating to me because I didn't
Speaker 2: grow up with siblings and I never know what's normal,
Speaker 2: how how much fighting is common where I draw the
Speaker 2: line how much do I intervene? And so that part
Speaker 2: of it is a little crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have one with my ex. And then I
Speaker 1: was so traumatized by the experience of co parenting and
Speaker 1: just his presence on the planet. It was triggering to
Speaker 1: me that I'm like, I'm getting a sperm donor. So
Speaker 1: my second daughter is has there's no dad involved, And
Speaker 1: I think, no matter what, you always go through that
Speaker 1: internal battle of you know, am I parenting the correct way?
Speaker 1: And I'm sure that you know the besides the one
Speaker 1: who has the ninety ten like Hovey And then I'm
Speaker 1: blanking on Isaac's dad's name, Joe, Joe. When it comes
Speaker 1: to co parenting with them, do you have to parent
Speaker 1: each child differently? Not because each child is different, but
Speaker 1: because the dads may have a different idea of how
Speaker 1: they want to parent their child.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's a really good point, and I don't
Speaker 2: think I've ever really talked about it, but I would
Speaker 2: say one thousand percent yes, because what I know about
Speaker 2: Joe and his parenting style and what I know about
Speaker 2: Hobby and his parenting style, I think they're all very different.
Speaker 2: It's the child and the other co parent because if
Speaker 2: you co parent or a discipline or do something that
Speaker 2: the other parent doesn't like, that could put you in
Speaker 2: a whole other situation that you didn't even you never
Speaker 2: even thought of.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think that is.
Speaker 2: A really good point to be made, is that it's
Speaker 2: not just how you know the kids need to be parented,
Speaker 2: but also your co parent, which is sort of difficult.
Speaker 3: And you know, my oldest I don't. I don't talk
Speaker 3: to his dad about anything.
Speaker 2: You know, Isaac's fifteen and fifteen and a half and
Speaker 2: so we really don't.
Speaker 3: Ever, I don't speak to Joe about anything for any.
Speaker 1: Reason, because I mean, Isaac's old enough for you to
Speaker 1: kind of just communicate with him, and he can communicate
Speaker 1: with his dad. Is that the reason I don't.
Speaker 2: We don't really like to put a in the middle
Speaker 2: of anything. So if I have something to say, I'll
Speaker 2: shoot him a text. But there's really nothing I have
Speaker 2: to say to him at this point, like I have,
Speaker 2: you know, Isaac's all of Isaac's stuff on my calendar.
Speaker 2: Isaac and I are really really close, and so there's
Speaker 2: just nothing. Like I said, if I needed to text them,
Speaker 2: I would, but I just don't have to I don't there's.
Speaker 3: Nothing, nothing, and yeah, I get it so weird?
Speaker 1: Do you want more children?
Speaker 2: You know what's so crazy about this is that I
Speaker 2: had my tubes removed when I had the twins and
Speaker 2: instant regret.
Speaker 1: Are you serious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's I know, it's crazy, and people think
Speaker 2: that I've already lost my mind three kids ago, maybe
Speaker 2: even four kids ago. I I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's mental illness. I don't know if it's biological.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I instant regret. I know, there's always idf. But then
Speaker 2: it's like, how selfish can I?
Speaker 3: I don't know? Do I want more kids? This complicated
Speaker 3: answer to that is I would have more kids if
Speaker 3: I could.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a savage's mental illness? Are you?
Speaker 1: Are you not exhausted?
Speaker 3: No? I am.
Speaker 2: I'm so tired. I literally said that to Elijah earlier
Speaker 2: this morning. I was like, I'm He's like, what's wrong
Speaker 2: with you? And I was like, I need more caffeine,
Speaker 2: just more coffee, more coffee, more energy drinks, more everything.
Speaker 2: But I think the hardest part of all of it,
Speaker 2: all of the chaos, all of the madness, is truly
Speaker 2: just figuring out what to feed them?
Speaker 3: Like, that is where I struggle the most?
Speaker 1: Is that not the hardest? Like literally three meals a
Speaker 1: day than you think about snacks. You're like, I'm tapped out.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what to give you.
Speaker 2: Even when I'm away, like traveling for work and stuff,
Speaker 2: I don't know what to feed myself. So feeding children,
Speaker 2: whether it's one, seven, ten, that is the hardest part.
Speaker 2: So when they're like, kil how do you do it,
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. Can you meal plan for me?
Speaker 3: Because that's the biggest struggle that I have.
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of moms would relate to that,
Speaker 1: because there's so many times I relate to you saying
Speaker 1: I get sick of feeding myself. There are times where
Speaker 1: I'm like, it's time to freaking eat again. Like I'm
Speaker 1: over it. I'm done with it.
Speaker 3: The decision making, fatigue, the mental load of food planning,
Speaker 3: meal planning, prepping, all of it. I don't if I
Speaker 3: could give up on just that, I would you would?
Speaker 1: I love it. I think a lot of moms would
Speaker 1: join you on that. Can I ask you what was
Speaker 1: the final I guess Straw When it came to filming
Speaker 1: a show, you were filming for thirteen years, and you
Speaker 1: have built yourself quite an empire with the podcast that
Speaker 1: you have. I saw that you launched your own network Killer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's incredible, Thank you, And I want to get into
Speaker 1: all of that. What made you say I'm done with
Speaker 1: the TV world.
Speaker 2: Pretty much based on my experience filming and knowing how
Speaker 2: they had to edit certain things down, how certain things
Speaker 2: had to play out, and also really talking about the
Speaker 2: nitty gritty details of my personal life and real life
Speaker 2: that no matter how in depth I went, it was
Speaker 2: still going to be chopped and screwed, so that it
Speaker 2: made sense. I didn't want to bring you know, Elijah
Speaker 2: into that. He didn't grow up on TV. He didn't
Speaker 2: sign up for TV, and so I did get pregnant
Speaker 2: pretty fast, and I didn't. I just didn't want to
Speaker 2: subject our our family and my you know, our relationship
Speaker 2: to that. And I just felt like if we were
Speaker 2: going to have any sort of reality TV, it would
Speaker 2: be about our family alone, because I feel like we
Speaker 2: have enough going on that we could have. And so
Speaker 2: it just I realized it wasn't it wasn't going to
Speaker 2: be for us. It was not for you know, myself
Speaker 2: and Elijah as a family and I think as time
Speaker 2: goes on, my oldest son, he doesn't really love to
Speaker 2: be recognized in public. And so that also played on,
Speaker 2: you know, my decision. And in full transparency, I was
Speaker 2: making more money podcasting than I was filming Team Mom.
Speaker 2: And I had to go through the ringer to even
Speaker 2: do that and put stuff out there, and then it
Speaker 2: was getting chopped into food and so I was like,
Speaker 2: I could sit on my podcast and talk about this
Speaker 2: for an hour and make three times as much as
Speaker 2: I was making on Team Mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a common misconception when the outside world.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take the money that we have
Speaker 1: made on reality television for granted, I mean right, but
Speaker 1: it certainly is not going to give you a lifestyle
Speaker 1: that you can feed your family for, you know, decades on.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's more of a springboard. I felt I.
Speaker 2: Would agree with that, and I get a lot of
Speaker 2: shit or a lot of lashback for backlash for you know,
Speaker 2: they're like, well, if you wouldn't have everything that you
Speaker 2: have if it wasn't for Teen Mom, or you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have what you have if it wasn't for MTV, and
Speaker 2: I do agree to some extent, but I did use it.
Speaker 3: As a springboard.
Speaker 2: I used it as a springboard to pay to go
Speaker 2: to college and get my degree, and I used it
Speaker 2: to start other endeavors and other businesses and create other
Speaker 2: opportunities for myself. Where a lot of the time you
Speaker 2: don't see some of the other castmates doing that same thing,
Speaker 2: and so they have to sort of stay on TV
Speaker 2: because that is all they know and that's all they have,
Speaker 2: And that's no disrespect to them. Not everyone has a
Speaker 2: business mind, But for me, it was like, I know
Speaker 2: that TV won't last forever. I know I don't want
Speaker 2: to share these types of details forever. I want to
Speaker 2: share the fun moments, the funny things, and I want
Speaker 2: to do it my way on my podcast, and I
Speaker 2: can have people in my real life also sort of
Speaker 2: do the same thing they were doing on Team Mom
Speaker 2: without it being cut down to four minutes.
Speaker 1: Right. So, yeah, would you ever if a production company
Speaker 1: came to you and said, we'd like to focus a
Speaker 1: show around your family, would you be open to that?
Speaker 1: Even though Isaac says he doesn't want, like if he
Speaker 1: doesn't like being acknowledged in public, Like, is that something
Speaker 1: you'd really have to think about.
Speaker 2: So Isaac doesn't want to be associated with Team Mom.
Speaker 2: I think I misspoke when I was saying he doesn't
Speaker 2: like the correlation to Team Mom specifically. But I actually
Speaker 2: was just under production contract for I think it was
Speaker 2: like nine months.
Speaker 3: It ended in February or March.
Speaker 2: And now I'm in works with another production company that
Speaker 2: would be a show not necessarily about me. They wanted
Speaker 2: they wanted to be about Isaac. They wanted to be
Speaker 2: told through Isaac's eyes.
Speaker 3: Wow, So we'll see how that goes.
Speaker 2: I don't know if, as you know, with production and TV,
Speaker 2: you can be under contract. They can buy the concept,
Speaker 2: they can buy a pilot, they can do all of
Speaker 2: this stuff, and it can never happen.
Speaker 3: So that's exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I never I always say, like I never count
Speaker 1: my chickens before they hatch until I'm watching you know,
Speaker 1: something on TV. You never know which way it's gonna go.
Speaker 1: You know, it could be in uh, it could be
Speaker 1: in the development stages for years on end. But I
Speaker 1: love that idea of having it through his eyes.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it would be cool because it
Speaker 2: would tell his story and you know, some of the
Speaker 2: some of the babies from Team Mom have been on
Speaker 2: you know TV for all sixteen years. But I think,
Speaker 2: you know, Isaac does have a lot to share and
Speaker 2: there are a lot of unique circumstances in our family
Speaker 2: because I do have four kids, you know, for fathers
Speaker 2: to my children, and a neighbors with one of them.
Speaker 3: So I think.
Speaker 2: It's just a lot of lots stuff going on.
Speaker 1: Which one are you neighbors with?
Speaker 3: Elijah?
Speaker 1: That is bad ass, That's an easy switch, that's an
Speaker 1: easy head on over for Dad's time.
Speaker 3: I'm like in the wagon, we're going to Dad's.
Speaker 1: Wow, you've got it really figured out. I guess when
Speaker 1: you've been doing it for so long, like you really
Speaker 1: have it down to a science, you.
Speaker 3: Know what's it's chaotic. But I don't know any different.
Speaker 2: This is what I know, this is what my kids know,
Speaker 2: and so like, I'm sure there's some level of trauma
Speaker 2: that my kids are going to experience or grow up
Speaker 2: and look back.
Speaker 1: But what child doesn't You could live in the most
Speaker 1: like from the outside perspective, grade a family, dynamic mom
Speaker 1: and dad together, and there's always going to be something
Speaker 1: that a child experiences that's going to be a level
Speaker 1: of trauma. It's just it is what it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, I would agree with you, but I think
Speaker 3: the trolls would disagree.
Speaker 1: They would be like, you know, that's why they're trolls,
Speaker 1: and let's talk about that. You're like, you have trauma
Speaker 1: as well, because you're up in my comment section acting
Speaker 1: like a damn fool, So let's le dive into your trauma, bitch.
Speaker 3: I got lots of trauma. I talk about it all
Speaker 3: the time, but.
Speaker 1: It's helpful and I so that didn't come. That didn't
Speaker 1: play a part in you leaving Reality TV? Did it
Speaker 1: like the trolls? Was it more of an internal battle
Speaker 1: or was it like I'm sick of these random people
Speaker 1: having such a profound say on my life and story.
Speaker 2: I think I struggle with the troll situation a little
Speaker 2: bit more than maybe some of the other girls, and
Speaker 2: I don't I don't necessarily want to speak for them,
Speaker 2: but I do. There are phases that I go through,
Speaker 2: like some days, some years, some months I'm really fine
Speaker 2: and I don't pay attention to it, and other times
Speaker 2: I'm like, I really can't handle this, and so I
Speaker 2: I want to say no, it had no it carried
Speaker 2: no weight, but also, I think it to some degree
Speaker 2: it did have it held a little bit of weight
Speaker 2: in my decision.
Speaker 1: I relate to that there there, I could go months
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm so unaffected by what these random
Speaker 1: people say, and then it'll be a week of non
Speaker 1: stop searching for people just dragging me to filth and
Speaker 1: we participating and looking at it.
Speaker 2: But what is the psychology behind it? I don't and
Speaker 2: I ask my therapist, I'm like, why do I do this?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'll never know.
Speaker 1: I'll never know either. Are you close with the other mamas?
Speaker 2: I so Kate and Tyre signed my network for their show, okay,
Speaker 2: and then Macy and I have talked about podcasting together.
Speaker 2: We've done podcasts. I wouldn't say I'm close with her,
Speaker 2: but like, we definitely talk, We're friendly. I'm fine with Amber.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think Pharaoh was just on my podcast
Speaker 2: not that long ago. And then Chelsea and I keep
Speaker 2: in touch from time to time. Yeah, we all live
Speaker 2: so separately. And I think that's also different from a
Speaker 2: lot of reality shows that are you know, living in
Speaker 2: la like you know, vander Pomp or Real Housewives like
Speaker 2: they're getting you.
Speaker 3: Guys are getting together and we're not.
Speaker 1: We never did, right, well, you guys were living in
Speaker 1: separate states. That makes total sense. Let's talk about your network.
Speaker 1: So you right now, how many podcasts do you have?
Speaker 3: I have three of my own podcasts?
Speaker 1: You have three of your own.
Speaker 3: You've got Coffee Combos with Lindsay.
Speaker 1: Okay, Coffee Combos with Lindsay, and.
Speaker 2: Then Barely Famous is my solo podcast, which is like
Speaker 2: interview Ba's sort of like this one, okay, and then
Speaker 2: and then I have Carma and Chaos with one of
Speaker 2: my longtime friends.
Speaker 3: That one we launched in October.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so lots of them.
Speaker 2: And then on the network we have Kate and Tye Okay,
Speaker 2: Vibing and kind of thrive in for the Haters, which
Speaker 2: is my longtime friends podcast on my network.
Speaker 3: What else do we have? I don't have it. Off
Speaker 3: the top of my head. We have a couple of
Speaker 3: shows on there.
Speaker 1: When did you start the Killer network?
Speaker 3: Killer started twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: And did you just have such success and love with
Speaker 1: the podcast industry that you were like, I want this,
Speaker 1: I want to make this my full time gig, and
Speaker 1: I want to put other podcasts on the map.
Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny about that. So I went
Speaker 3: to DSU.
Speaker 2: I graduated in twenty seventeen, and I remember during that
Speaker 2: time everyone was like, podcasting is not like a money maker,
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna put a lot of effort in and
Speaker 2: not get a return. And then Lindsay approached me in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and was like, do you want to start
Speaker 2: a podcast? And I was like, not really, but I'll
Speaker 2: do it, like I'll give her a chance. And I
Speaker 2: had never met her in person, never. I didn't know
Speaker 2: what the heck I was doing. Yeah, I started podcasting.
Speaker 2: I fell in love with it, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to do this, Like this is good.
Speaker 3: I'm going to be all in. So I went all in.
Speaker 1: What about it? Did you love? Just like talking into
Speaker 1: a mic and kind of being uninhibited and saying whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck you wanted.
Speaker 3: I really think that's where it started.
Speaker 2: It was like, Okay, I can go in depth and
Speaker 2: explain these teen mom scenarios from the show and actually
Speaker 2: give people like a more well rounded, I don't know,
Speaker 2: in depth view.
Speaker 3: I guess I have to talk about it unfiltered.
Speaker 2: I could say my perspective share my frustrations, but then
Speaker 2: I also could share like the good parts of my
Speaker 2: life because it's a lifestyle based podcast, and so I
Speaker 2: think people started to really see a different side of Kili,
Speaker 2: who's always very very defensive. On Teen Mom, I always
Speaker 2: had my guards up. I came off kind of cold
Speaker 2: and mean, and so on the podcast, I feel like
Speaker 2: more people could relate to me, and they saw me
Speaker 2: from a different lens, If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm seeing you through a different lens just
Speaker 1: doing this interview. I would say when I watched Teen Mom,
Speaker 1: I think you were very intimidating, you know, like, well
Speaker 1: you just you were no bullshit and it was like
Speaker 1: you had very little time for anyone who was here
Speaker 1: to play games and fuck around. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to say that you were cold. I didn't get that
Speaker 1: from you, but I would say that we didn't get
Speaker 1: this side of you that I'm getting right now.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair, and I think that I still
Speaker 2: have a little bit of that, Like I I and
Speaker 2: I get a lot of shit for like leaving my kids' dads.
Speaker 2: I left all of them, and I because I am
Speaker 2: to some degree, take no shit. But then also I
Speaker 2: am a lover girl, like I'm very soft, I'm a
Speaker 2: cry baby, Like there are parts that I never really
Speaker 2: wanted to show on TV or I didn't know how,
Speaker 2: And so through the podcast I was able to express
Speaker 2: myself just completely differently, and I the reaction that I
Speaker 2: was getting from people sort of fueled me into, you know,
Speaker 2: wanting to keep going through podcasting, and that's why ended
Speaker 2: up doing the second show and then the third show
Speaker 2: and then having the network.
Speaker 1: Do you ever run out of shit to talk about?
Speaker 3: Never?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 2: Literally and with I mean, and then I shit my
Speaker 2: pants once a month. That's a whole episode every week
Speaker 2: every other week.
Speaker 1: Are you being truthful right now? You shit your pants? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are we talking like a shirt? Don't we don't realize
Speaker 1: what's happening?
Speaker 2: No, Like I I'd say the nitty gritty shit on
Speaker 2: my podcast, all of them, like shit my pants at
Speaker 2: a drive fifteen minutes home, like it was bad, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So like I talk about everything.
Speaker 1: You know, what good for you that you can shit
Speaker 1: your pants and still bag four dudes to have kids with.
Speaker 1: I think if I were to shit my pants, no
Speaker 1: one would ever be with me ever.
Speaker 2: Again, I mean, it's possible, but I you know, you
Speaker 2: take me as I am. You gotta let them know
Speaker 2: up front who you are, right, and then there's no
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about it, and you're down
Speaker 2: the line.
Speaker 1: There's no surprises.
Speaker 2: FU.
Speaker 1: What is it like for you dating?
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of dating before I get
Speaker 3: pregnant usually.
Speaker 1: Really so it's kind of like where we've seen each
Speaker 1: other a couple of times and now we're stuck together forever.
Speaker 3: That's pretty much how it works with Elijah.
Speaker 1: Okay that one.
Speaker 2: And you know, I contrary to popular belief, I've actually
Speaker 2: can count on both my hands on many people I've
Speaker 2: slept with. They think that because I have kids with
Speaker 2: four men, that I just like am out here gallivanting around.
Speaker 3: Like not true at all.
Speaker 2: Like I just fall in love so fast, and I
Speaker 2: think that get pregnant right.
Speaker 3: Away, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean with seven kids, I would say, if
Speaker 1: you were out in these streets just banging whoever, I
Speaker 1: think that you would have like twelve hundred kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, and lots of baby daddies, Which is
Speaker 2: that's the bigger problem.
Speaker 3: It's not the babies, you know, it's the dads that
Speaker 3: I have to deal with.
Speaker 1: That's very intense. I can't imagine having four of them.
Speaker 1: I have one. And I'm like, can how do I
Speaker 1: like give you away, keep the kids, take the dad? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go away please?
Speaker 3: Literally? Literally?
Speaker 1: What is it? Like? I mean, like, are you trying
Speaker 1: to date right now?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I don't want to leave my house.
Speaker 2: That's the other thing is, I'm such a homebody, but
Speaker 2: I'm like homebody to the extreme. The only times that
Speaker 2: I leave my house is for my kids' sports and
Speaker 2: if I'm on a work trip. So you will not
Speaker 2: catch me going out in Delaware and like going out
Speaker 2: to eat. You'll never see me at a restaurant out
Speaker 2: in Delaware.
Speaker 1: You know what, though, I'm the same way, Like every
Speaker 1: time I post on social media, I'm like, why does
Speaker 1: anyone follow me? I don't do anything fucking cool. I'm
Speaker 1: always in this always in this house.
Speaker 3: Literally, I don't want I have everything.
Speaker 2: I was just having this conversation yesterday and like, I
Speaker 2: have a pool, I have my house, there's door dash.
Speaker 3: I read a lot of books, Like what purpose do
Speaker 3: I need to leave this house? Like, I don't want
Speaker 3: to go.
Speaker 1: I don't blame you at all. Are you open to
Speaker 1: dating in the future, No, Cail, I feel like we
Speaker 1: may be the same person.
Speaker 3: I fear we may be the same person.
Speaker 1: Like it's actually I'm like, wow, I'm having a conversation
Speaker 1: with myself.
Speaker 3: It's it's borderline unhealthy think for.
Speaker 1: Me and with the dating for me. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you relate to this, but you know, once you
Speaker 1: get to a certain place, like you have the kids, right,
Speaker 1: so you don't need a man to come in any
Speaker 1: longer to give you your kids because you're you're how
Speaker 1: old thirty three? Thirty three? You're a baby, we're babies.
Speaker 1: You've got your kids, You've got your own career, you've
Speaker 1: got your own money. It sounds to me like you've
Speaker 1: got a therapist who can kind of get you on
Speaker 1: point when it comes to your emotions. Yep, you really
Speaker 1: don't need a man to come in and give you
Speaker 1: any of those things.
Speaker 3: No, And I think that's what people get really upset about.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not a victim of my circumstances when it comes
Speaker 2: to men. I'm not going to stay where it doesn't
Speaker 2: serve me any longer. And it takes a lot to
Speaker 2: impress me. I don't care because I have all of
Speaker 2: this shit to like, I already do it all myself, right,
Speaker 2: and if I can't do it, I can hire.
Speaker 3: Someone who can.
Speaker 2: So I don't need a man to come forward or
Speaker 2: to come into my life and do the things I
Speaker 2: don't need it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's how I feel. And that's actually what scares
Speaker 1: me as well, because I mean full transparency, and I
Speaker 1: doubt by the time this airs, I will have bumped
Speaker 1: peeps with anybody. I literally have not been intimate with
Speaker 1: a man. And I've said this on every podcast because
Speaker 1: I'm just it's shocking to me no intimacy in over
Speaker 1: two years.
Speaker 3: But you know what, you can do it yourself, That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've got a drawarf full of vibrators. I'm
Speaker 1: like a man. Really, I really don't need it. And
Speaker 1: I worry that I'm gonna be so comfortable in this
Speaker 1: solo dynamic that my kids are gonna be grown and
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, what the fuck my Mom's gonna be
Speaker 1: dead and gone, Oh my god, I can't even think
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 3: Kil wait. I went to my obi well, I guess
Speaker 3: uy n, and I.
Speaker 2: Was like, Hey, how do I not use vibrators to
Speaker 2: get off because I was like so used to the
Speaker 2: vibrators that I couldn't get off any other way. It
Speaker 2: was like what do you what do you mean? And
Speaker 2: I was like I can only do this and he
Speaker 2: was like, all right, we're gonna have to. So we
Speaker 2: had to have a whole conversation, come up with a
Speaker 2: game plan, check in so like when you're talking about this,
Speaker 2: like this is real, like we're the same person.
Speaker 1: We are no everything you're saying, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: Cale and I could literally live in a hole together
Speaker 1: with all.
Speaker 2: The kids, and if we didn't talk and we were
Speaker 2: just in each other's company, that's fine too.
Speaker 1: Even better Postmates show That is my vibe with a
Speaker 1: bunch of kids, because all I want to do is
Speaker 1: be surrounded by children and just like chicks chill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have eighteen chickens also there. They're a
Speaker 2: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Well. I saw you do something with Isaac where you
Speaker 1: did the whole egg sing with cage free and like
Speaker 1: store bought.
Speaker 2: Oh so we did like our farm fresh eggs from
Speaker 2: our farm, yeah, and then store bought and that was
Speaker 2: kind of cool because I'm not really an egg eater.
Speaker 2: I just got the chickens for funzies. Yeah, my son
Speaker 2: likes to bake, and so he was like, wait, these
Speaker 2: are really different, and so we like did the comparison
Speaker 2: or whatever, and so so now we have eighteen chickens,
Speaker 2: four goats, three pigs, and five ducks.
Speaker 1: Damn, how many acres you got up up there in Delaware?
Speaker 2: You no what?
Speaker 3: We're only on six right now.
Speaker 1: But we're only on six, just a cool six acres.
Speaker 3: Well, because you're in LA, right, So what is the
Speaker 3: acreage like over there?
Speaker 1: The acreage is no acreage, babe, unless I want to
Speaker 1: be dropping one hundred million dollars for six acres, no joke.
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: I just bought twenty acres.
Speaker 1: Are you under what? I am moving the family to Delaware?
Speaker 3: One?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's the good thing about Delaware is that
Speaker 2: it's two hours from everything Baltimore, Philly, New York, New Jersey.
Speaker 2: So's it's pretty essentrally located. But in Delaware itself, I
Speaker 2: wouldn't if you're used to living in LA, it's probably
Speaker 2: not for you, I would.
Speaker 3: Guess, Kevin.
Speaker 1: I don't leave. I don't leave the house.
Speaker 3: This is true. This is true. So maybe you'd like
Speaker 3: it here there's a beach an hour away.
Speaker 1: See, that is totally my vibe. What's it like for
Speaker 1: your kids going to school in a place like Aware,
Speaker 1: where like you're in the public eye. For me, obviously,
Speaker 1: my kids, well my oldest is only four, but she
Speaker 1: goes to school with a lot of kids whose parents
Speaker 1: are in the entertainment world, so like it's no big deal, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: for you, I have to imagine that that is very
Speaker 1: strange for most of the kids to be like you're
Speaker 1: on TV.
Speaker 3: Well, so my seven year old, he's in second grade.
Speaker 2: He came home and he said, and this kid knew
Speaker 2: what kind of car you drove, and he saw you
Speaker 2: on TikTok and he knows about your TikTok.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, this.
Speaker 2: Is so weird because I don't think anybody on the
Speaker 2: show could have really put themselves in that headspace when
Speaker 2: we signed up to do the show, So I don't
Speaker 2: think any of us were really thinking about the after effects.
Speaker 2: For him, I think it's okay because he wants to
Speaker 2: be a movie star. He wants to be movies and
Speaker 2: I believe him. But for my oldest, Like, he wants
Speaker 2: to do things more his way, and so it's a
Speaker 2: little uncomfortable when people are like teen mom. Now, if
Speaker 2: it was a different show, I think that he would
Speaker 2: have a different reaction, but I think there is a
Speaker 2: stigma attached to team Mom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I definitely would agree
Speaker 1: with you. So how old seven? The seven year old
Speaker 1: wants to be in movies? Yeah, and I believe them, Like,
Speaker 1: so are we facilitating this? Are we like sending him
Speaker 1: on auditions and things like that?
Speaker 2: Since we live in Delaware, there's not a whole lot
Speaker 2: of anything going on. Audition wise, I'd have to be
Speaker 2: in La or in New York, and I just we
Speaker 2: don't have the time and resources to do that with
Speaker 2: you know, sports and everything else. So unfortunately, no, But
Speaker 2: I think that he still has prompt a promising future
Speaker 2: in comedy if nothing else.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big personality.
Speaker 1: I want to know what it's like for your only
Speaker 1: daughter to be around six boys, because she's only a
Speaker 1: year and a half, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twins are eighteen months. We'll have to do
Speaker 2: another follow up when she's a little older. But she
Speaker 2: truly is so spicy and It's so funny because I
Speaker 2: think that the twins.
Speaker 3: Are me and Elijah in Little Children Bodies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Elijah is very like stoic, you don't know
Speaker 2: what he's thinking. He's very chill, calm, that's verse. And
Speaker 2: then Bally is just full of life and very spicy.
Speaker 2: She'll let you know what she wants.
Speaker 1: That is adorable. Yeah, and I'm not believe that you
Speaker 1: only have one girl.
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I really thought maybe we would have the
Speaker 2: grand Finale of twin girls. But I'm glad it was
Speaker 2: boy girl twins because then I don't want them to
Speaker 2: compare each other. If it was two girls or two boys,
Speaker 2: I didn't want them to like do the comparison game.
Speaker 2: And I know this is crazy to say, but like
Speaker 2: I wish twins on everyone.
Speaker 3: I love. Like, twins are so fun. I love them
Speaker 3: so much, and if I could have another set of twins,
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 1: That is crazy to me. You were like born to
Speaker 1: be a mother.
Speaker 2: I must have been because my parents didn't really want me.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it was like Karma's like okay,
Speaker 2: well then you're gonna have a kid that wants a
Speaker 2: hundred kids.
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: So your relationship with them hasn't changed with your parents.
Speaker 2: No, my dad, I met him on TV twenty ten,
Speaker 2: okay or two thousand and nine. That was the first
Speaker 2: and last time I had ever met him. And then
Speaker 2: my mom I haven't seen in eight years. So I
Speaker 2: don't know where she lives. I don't have her phone number.
Speaker 2: She's only met my two oldest. She hasn't met the
Speaker 2: rest of them.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if she knows I have twins
Speaker 3: or any other kid. Like, I don't know what she knows.
Speaker 3: I have no idea.
Speaker 1: I have to imagine she knows about your life. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're very googleable, maybe.
Speaker 2: But like I don't know if she googles me, you know,
Speaker 2: like I don't know if that's something that she would do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then who hey, mom, could you imagine.
Speaker 3: She's like I heard you on wa LA's podcast right?
Speaker 1: Oh? No? Before we sign off, I want to know
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge with having seven children.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest challenge is time management because I
Speaker 2: do really love to spend one on one time with
Speaker 2: all of the kids in addition to like family, like
Speaker 2: all of us together, and I never want anyone to
Speaker 2: think that I don't make sure that each of my
Speaker 2: kids has that. It is important no matter if you
Speaker 2: have one kid, if you have five kids, if you
Speaker 2: have ten kids, that one on one time, even if
Speaker 2: it's five or ten minutes, like, that's something that we
Speaker 2: carve out almost every single day. That is challenging because
Speaker 2: I know that these six kids need me right now,
Speaker 2: but this individual child needs me for ten minutes undivided.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the hardest part.
Speaker 1: Does that make you nervous as they get older that
Speaker 1: you may not see that one of them needs you
Speaker 1: and you could drop the ball.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I definitely think about that from time
Speaker 2: to time. But I also think that the same could
Speaker 2: be said for a single mom of.
Speaker 1: Two children, absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: I think the same could be said of a mom
Speaker 2: of one child who's working. You know, when I had
Speaker 2: just had Isaac, I worked three jobs, and you know, well,
Speaker 2: including school, it was two jobs plus school, and so
Speaker 2: that could have happened with just one. So I think
Speaker 2: it really depends on the circumstances of each individual family.
Speaker 2: But you know, I hope that making sure that I
Speaker 2: carve out that individual time will connect myself with my
Speaker 2: each child in a way that they know that, you know,
Speaker 2: if they need me and I don't see it right away,
Speaker 2: that they can still come to me and say, hey, like,
Speaker 2: you know, I need you for X, Y and C,
Speaker 2: or like I need this ten minutes today or you know,
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I want to go do something with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I hope that that strengthen, strengthens the relationship enough that
Speaker 2: they can come to me and tell me.
Speaker 3: They need me.
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing, And I have to say I'm
Speaker 1: in awe of you and everything that you've built off of.
Speaker 1: You know, was it teen Mom or sixteen and Pregnant
Speaker 1: that you were on?
Speaker 2: Oh and did I did sixteen and Pregnant first and
Speaker 2: then did thirteen years of teen Mom.
Speaker 1: Well, it is fucking jaw dropping to see what you
Speaker 1: have done off of that. I'm very inspired. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to have you on the bonus. I have a lot
Speaker 1: of people who want to know how to parent certain
Speaker 1: situations or I'm not sparing or I'm not Hey, you
Speaker 1: know what we can we can give both I did
Speaker 1: this wrong, never do this. Thank you so much for
Speaker 1: making time for to give them Ala Podcall. I really
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you so much, of course, and my love.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of
Speaker 1: the Give Them a La Podcast. We will catch you
Speaker 1: next week.