WEBVTT - The One With Kail Lowry

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<v Speaker 1>Hello, gorgeous. It is La La Kun. Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Give Them La La Podcast. I'm freaking losing my

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<v Speaker 1>mind today because I have no I'm losing my shit.

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, I have cal Lowry from Teen Mom,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have gone above and beyond since then. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't believe it's been this long since you, like started

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<v Speaker 1>in the public eye. Hi, how are you welcome?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me. I can't believe I'm sitting

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<v Speaker 2>with you crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It is crazy. And you know I wrote into the

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<v Speaker 1>little like Instagram podcast thing and everyone was like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, this was the duo I never knew I needed. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I agree with that. I cannot believe

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<v Speaker 1>we've never crossed paths. I started watching Teen Mom. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it came out in two thousand and nine. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you made your first appearance twenty ten, twenty ten, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had just graduated from high school. How did that

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<v Speaker 1>process go? Did you just get like I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand how MTV found you all.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, so there's a little bit of a difference between

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<v Speaker 2>like the season one girls like Macy Caitlin, they got

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<v Speaker 2>on a little bit differently. I think that their's was

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<v Speaker 2>like Craigslist posts and stuff like that. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 2>once that one sort of took off and they did

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<v Speaker 2>season two of sixteen and Pregnant. I had seen it

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<v Speaker 2>on MTV dot com it said now casting, So I

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<v Speaker 2>like took initiative and like applied.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, wow, Craigslist, that is a the throwback of

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<v Speaker 1>a website, like a.

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<v Speaker 3>Blast from the past. Do people still use Craigslist?

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<v Speaker 1>I think once people started getting murdered when they would

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<v Speaker 1>like find their roommate on there, I think it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like had its day, but I mean it changed

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<v Speaker 1>your guys' lives.

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<v Speaker 3>It really did.

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<v Speaker 1>So did they have someone come in and just like

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<v Speaker 1>interview you, Like, once you did the application process, you

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<v Speaker 1>had someone obviously come in an interview, right, No, So no, they.

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<v Speaker 2>Called me two weeks I had sent like maybe like

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<v Speaker 2>a paragraph and I was like explaining my living situation

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<v Speaker 2>that I was already pregnant, and two weeks later when

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<v Speaker 2>they called me, everything had already changed. I had already

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<v Speaker 2>moved in with you know, my son's dad at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>and so from the time I emailed to that first

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<v Speaker 2>phone call and then they were like, Okay, we really

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<v Speaker 2>liked what you had to say, like, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>submit a questionnaire. It's like hundreds of questions, a psycho

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<v Speaker 2>val all of this. We didn't ever get interviewed in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well at least I never did. I never got

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<v Speaker 3>interviewed in person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The first day that I met everybody was the first

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<v Speaker 2>day we filmed.

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<v Speaker 1>How intimidating.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>At that age. I can't imagine having a camera crew

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<v Speaker 1>come in and it's your most vulnerable time you're a child,

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<v Speaker 1>yourself becoming a mom.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the difference is now with reality

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<v Speaker 1>TV versus when you filmed a reality show? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's more contrived where it's more produced and

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day when you started it was more raw.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I think it for my experience.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was on for thirteen years, and I

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<v Speaker 2>really think the only thing that really changed was me,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I realized early on that I could be manipulated

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<v Speaker 2>and give them what they want without having a say,

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<v Speaker 2>versus eight nine years in. I was like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>I know how this is going to be edited. I

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<v Speaker 2>know what this is going to look like after the fact.

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<v Speaker 2>I know how people are going to perceive this. I

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<v Speaker 2>know that they have to edit down six months of

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<v Speaker 2>content to you know, four minutes per episode, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I started to push back because I was like, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not how I want this to be shown. I

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<v Speaker 2>want it to be shown bigger picture. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>think truly all throughout all thirteen years, it was the same.

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<v Speaker 1>You wanted to take control of your own narrative because

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<v Speaker 1>you knew at that point in time what the game was. Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean like if you weren't there for huge

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<v Speaker 2>moments and they had us wearing wigs, or they'd have

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<v Speaker 2>us like change our phone number contacts to a producer

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<v Speaker 2>that was on set. So for example, if my ex

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<v Speaker 2>texted me something outrageous and they weren't there for the

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<v Speaker 2>real moment, one, they would have me change my producer's

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<v Speaker 2>name and my phone to be my exes and then

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<v Speaker 2>they would text me a similar text so that they

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<v Speaker 2>could get an on screen reaction. And so we called

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<v Speaker 2>them pickups, and they were not real time. Or you'd

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<v Speaker 2>see like someone's hair would be changed because they only

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<v Speaker 2>got half of it and they didn't get the other half.

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<v Speaker 2>And so for that it was really hard as like

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<v Speaker 2>a young adult and a teenager to go through those

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<v Speaker 2>sorts of things, because then we're being ripped to shreds

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<v Speaker 2>for something that didn't necessarily even have been.

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<v Speaker 1>That way, right, because at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>although this was your real life, this was entertainment for

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the world watching.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they still had to put in those pieces

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<v Speaker 2>for it to make sense to the audience.

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<v Speaker 3>And I do understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it. It's just it was very hard to

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<v Speaker 2>do as a young adult.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't even imagine. I started reality TV when

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<v Speaker 1>I was twenty three. I can't imagine starting at sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, expecting my first child. What was the

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<v Speaker 1>relationship with your mom? Like back then, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Never had a great relationship with my mom. It was

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<v Speaker 2>always tumultuous. It was always very touch and go. She

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<v Speaker 2>didn't raise me. My whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>I sort of was like wherever someone would take me,

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<v Speaker 3>and so.

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<v Speaker 1>Like with friends or grandboyfriends.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, grandparents, friends, everybody, Like my mom would leave me

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<v Speaker 2>for weeks at a time and never call, never check up,

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<v Speaker 2>never leave money, like never, Like she sort of was

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<v Speaker 2>just like whoever will take care.

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<v Speaker 3>That was just how That's how I grew up.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have siblings my.

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<v Speaker 2>Biological father as another daughter in Texas, and then he

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<v Speaker 2>has children in the Philippines.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, And did you have a relationship with him.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I met him on TV for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>So you went into parenting not knowing what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>you were doing because you didn't even have anyone to

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<v Speaker 1>look at to go, oh, this is how it's done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and sort of that was like my mentality was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to give this baby.

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<v Speaker 3>What I didn't have was sort of where I was at.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that that's beautiful. You you you, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you you changed the direction. You broke the cycle. So

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<v Speaker 1>once you had your first, uh, your first child, you

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<v Speaker 1>have seven children, Cale, I shook it to my fucking core.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to be honest, because I remember watching you

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<v Speaker 1>and like Isaac coming into the picture and like your

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<v Speaker 1>first love. And then I remember seeing like Cale Lowry

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<v Speaker 1>is having twins. Her it'll be her her seventh child.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, were you expecting twins? Is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>runs in your family or the father's family? Twins?

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know how many people really know this,

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<v Speaker 2>but twins always come from the mom's side. So even

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<v Speaker 2>if the dad has twins in their family. It's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of irrelevant.

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<v Speaker 1>I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the mom's side is what carries is genetic

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<v Speaker 2>or hereditary, is paternal twins and then identical twins. There's

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<v Speaker 2>no there's no biological or like hereditary component there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just like I was gonna say, risk, that's just

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<v Speaker 3>by chance.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have paternal twins in my family, and Elijah,

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<v Speaker 2>oddly enough has identical and paternal in his family. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was just like it was okay, I just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>expect to be pregnant at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't know I was pregnant at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so let's break this down. Obviously, you're first born

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<v Speaker 1>was in Oh shit, we're sixteen and we're having a babby.

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<v Speaker 1>Your other children, was there a conversation about wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>bring them into the world or were they all and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say oopsies, but were they all

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<v Speaker 1>like very happy oopsies?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? So the only one that was planned was Lincoln

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<v Speaker 3>and I was married, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember that's Hovey's son, right, Yes, Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say they're all they were all pleasant surprises. I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, with the exception of number four was a

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<v Speaker 2>very toxic time, and so he so creed number four

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<v Speaker 2>was I think the most trying time in my life,

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<v Speaker 2>and so that one was a really difficult decision because

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<v Speaker 2>I did contemplate possibly terminating the pregnancy. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad that he's here, and I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>that I decided not to.

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<v Speaker 1>What is it like, I know what it's like to

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<v Speaker 1>have a baby daddy? What is it like having you

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<v Speaker 1>have four of them? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit?

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<v Speaker 2>What I like to say three in an ex husband

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<v Speaker 2>because my ex husband was never.

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<v Speaker 3>A baby daddy?

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<v Speaker 1>Which dad was that?

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<v Speaker 3>That was Hobby Lincoln's dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's not a baby daddy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he never was, never will be. He's like, he's

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<v Speaker 3>my ex husband.

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<v Speaker 1>And you have a good relationship with him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's not saying that they weren't trying times,

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<v Speaker 2>because we've definitely been through it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that through it.

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<v Speaker 2>All, we have always maintained Lincoln's best interest, and so

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<v Speaker 2>no matter how many personal emotions got in the way

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<v Speaker 2>or how convoluted everything got him, and I always maintained

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<v Speaker 2>what's in the best interest of Lincoln.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, no matter what sort of situation that you're

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<v Speaker 1>placed in with the father of your child. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go through the rough patches, right, there's a reason why

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<v Speaker 1>the relationship ended. And I think you saying that you

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<v Speaker 1>always put Lincoln first. I would say that that is

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy and thriving co parenting relationship. The other three

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<v Speaker 1>like what is the custody situation? Like, I mean, do

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<v Speaker 1>you have your kids the majority of the time, do

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<v Speaker 1>you try and keep them on the same schedule as

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<v Speaker 1>far as going to their dad's house.

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<v Speaker 3>So, Delaware is typically a fifty to fifty state unless

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<v Speaker 3>otherwise agreed upon. So if you are divorced, do you

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<v Speaker 3>go through, you know, a separation with your partner, even

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<v Speaker 3>if you're not married, it's a fifty to fifty state,

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<v Speaker 3>whether that's two two three or week on, week off.

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<v Speaker 3>And so.

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<v Speaker 2>When Habby and I got divorced, immediately was Isaac and

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln on the exact same fifty to fifty schedule where

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<v Speaker 2>we would exchange on the same exact day, holidays were

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<v Speaker 2>the same, everything was sort of the same. And then

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<v Speaker 2>for Lux and Creed it's a little bit different because

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<v Speaker 2>of the circumstances and how toxic that relationship was. And

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<v Speaker 2>so that is a ninety ten split, and he also

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<v Speaker 2>lives out of state, so he can't necessarily have fifty

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<v Speaker 2>to fifty. And then so when they do go to

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<v Speaker 2>their dads on you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, it's on

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<v Speaker 2>the same weekends that the other two are gone as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So that way everyone is sort of on the same schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>and same for holidays, like they all get the holidays

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<v Speaker 2>and everything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all the same schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very nice. What is the relationship like between all

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<v Speaker 1>the kids right now?

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<v Speaker 3>It's great.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, we're in a really I think the middle

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<v Speaker 2>two have the hardest time because they're the closest in

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<v Speaker 2>age and they don't get a break when they go

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<v Speaker 2>from my house to their dad's house, and so there's

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<v Speaker 2>no separation for them where I think, you know, my

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<v Speaker 2>oldest goes to his dad's, he gets a break from

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of his siblings, and same for Lincoln, and

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a little bit different when Lux and Creed.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't get a break from each other ever. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's so fascinating to me because I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>grow up with siblings and I never know what's normal,

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<v Speaker 2>how how much fighting is common where I draw the

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<v Speaker 2>line how much do I intervene? And so that part

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<v Speaker 2>of it is a little crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I have one with my ex. And then I

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<v Speaker 1>was so traumatized by the experience of co parenting and

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<v Speaker 1>just his presence on the planet. It was triggering to

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<v Speaker 1>me that I'm like, I'm getting a sperm donor. So

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<v Speaker 1>my second daughter is has there's no dad involved, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, no matter what, you always go through that

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<v Speaker 1>internal battle of you know, am I parenting the correct way?

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure that you know the besides the one

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<v Speaker 1>who has the ninety ten like Hovey And then I'm

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<v Speaker 1>blanking on Isaac's dad's name, Joe, Joe. When it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to co parenting with them, do you have to parent

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<v Speaker 1>each child differently? Not because each child is different, but

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<v Speaker 1>because the dads may have a different idea of how

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<v Speaker 1>they want to parent their child.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's a really good point, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think I've ever really talked about it, but I would

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<v Speaker 2>say one thousand percent yes, because what I know about

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<v Speaker 2>Joe and his parenting style and what I know about

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<v Speaker 2>Hobby and his parenting style, I think they're all very different.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the child and the other co parent because if

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<v Speaker 2>you co parent or a discipline or do something that

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<v Speaker 2>the other parent doesn't like, that could put you in

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<v Speaker 2>a whole other situation that you didn't even you never

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<v Speaker 2>even thought of.

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, I think that is.

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<v Speaker 2>A really good point to be made, is that it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just how you know the kids need to be parented,

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<v Speaker 2>but also your co parent, which is sort of difficult.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, my oldest I don't. I don't talk

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<v Speaker 3>to his dad about anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Isaac's fifteen and fifteen and a half and

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<v Speaker 2>so we really don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever, I don't speak to Joe about anything for any.

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<v Speaker 1>Reason, because I mean, Isaac's old enough for you to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just communicate with him, and he can communicate

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<v Speaker 1>with his dad. Is that the reason I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't really like to put a in the middle

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<v Speaker 2>of anything. So if I have something to say, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>shoot him a text. But there's really nothing I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say to him at this point, like I have,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Isaac's all of Isaac's stuff on my calendar.

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<v Speaker 2>Isaac and I are really really close, and so there's

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<v Speaker 2>just nothing. Like I said, if I needed to text them,

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<v Speaker 2>I would, but I just don't have to I don't there's.

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<v Speaker 3>Nothing, nothing, and yeah, I get it so weird?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want more children?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what's so crazy about this is that I

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<v Speaker 2>had my tubes removed when I had the twins and

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<v Speaker 2>instant regret.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you serious?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it's I know, it's crazy, and people think

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<v Speaker 2>that I've already lost my mind three kids ago, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even four kids ago. I I don't know. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if it's mental illness. I don't know if it's biological.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I instant regret. I know, there's always idf. But then

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<v Speaker 2>it's like, how selfish can I?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know? Do I want more kids? This complicated

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<v Speaker 3>answer to that is I would have more kids if

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<v Speaker 3>I could.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're a savage's mental illness? Are you?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you not exhausted?

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<v Speaker 3>No? I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so tired. I literally said that to Elijah earlier

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. I was like, I'm He's like, what's wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with you? And I was like, I need more caffeine,

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<v Speaker 2>just more coffee, more coffee, more energy drinks, more everything.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think the hardest part of all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the chaos, all of the madness, is truly

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<v Speaker 2>just figuring out what to feed them?

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<v Speaker 3>Like, that is where I struggle the most?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that not the hardest? Like literally three meals a

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<v Speaker 1>day than you think about snacks. You're like, I'm tapped out.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no idea what to give you.

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<v Speaker 2>Even when I'm away, like traveling for work and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what to feed myself. So feeding children,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's one, seven, ten, that is the hardest part.

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<v Speaker 2>So when they're like, kil how do you do it,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know. Can you meal plan for me?

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<v Speaker 3>Because that's the biggest struggle that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that a lot of moms would relate to that,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's so many times I relate to you saying

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<v Speaker 1>I get sick of feeding myself. There are times where

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, it's time to freaking eat again. Like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>over it. I'm done with it.

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<v Speaker 3>The decision making, fatigue, the mental load of food planning,

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<v Speaker 3>meal planning, prepping, all of it. I don't if I

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<v Speaker 3>could give up on just that, I would you would?

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<v Speaker 1>I love it. I think a lot of moms would

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<v Speaker 1>join you on that. Can I ask you what was

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<v Speaker 1>the final I guess Straw When it came to filming

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<v Speaker 1>a show, you were filming for thirteen years, and you

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<v Speaker 1>have built yourself quite an empire with the podcast that

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<v Speaker 1>you have. I saw that you launched your own network Killer. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's incredible, Thank you, And I want to get into

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<v Speaker 1>all of that. What made you say I'm done with

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<v Speaker 1>the TV world.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much based on my experience filming and knowing how

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<v Speaker 2>they had to edit certain things down, how certain things

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<v Speaker 2>had to play out, and also really talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>nitty gritty details of my personal life and real life

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<v Speaker 2>that no matter how in depth I went, it was

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<v Speaker 2>still going to be chopped and screwed, so that it

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<v Speaker 2>made sense. I didn't want to bring you know, Elijah

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<v Speaker 2>into that. He didn't grow up on TV. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>sign up for TV, and so I did get pregnant

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<v Speaker 2>pretty fast, and I didn't. I just didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>subject our our family and my you know, our relationship

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<v Speaker 2>to that. And I just felt like if we were

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<v Speaker 2>going to have any sort of reality TV, it would

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<v Speaker 2>be about our family alone, because I feel like we

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<v Speaker 2>have enough going on that we could have. And so

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<v Speaker 2>it just I realized it wasn't it wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 2>be for us. It was not for you know, myself

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<v Speaker 2>and Elijah as a family and I think as time

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<v Speaker 2>goes on, my oldest son, he doesn't really love to

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<v Speaker 2>be recognized in public. And so that also played on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, my decision. And in full transparency, I was

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<v Speaker 2>making more money podcasting than I was filming Team Mom.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had to go through the ringer to even

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<v Speaker 2>do that and put stuff out there, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>was getting chopped into food and so I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>I could sit on my podcast and talk about this

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<v Speaker 2>for an hour and make three times as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I was making on Team Mom.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that's a common misconception when the outside world.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to take the money that we have

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<v Speaker 1>made on reality television for granted, I mean right, but

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<v Speaker 1>it certainly is not going to give you a lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>that you can feed your family for, you know, decades on.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's more of a springboard. I felt I.

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<v Speaker 2>Would agree with that, and I get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>shit or a lot of lashback for backlash for you know,

0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.320
<v Speaker 2>they're like, well, if you wouldn't have everything that you

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<v Speaker 2>have if it wasn't for Teen Mom, or you wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>have what you have if it wasn't for MTV, and

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<v Speaker 2>I do agree to some extent, but I did use it.

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<v Speaker 3>As a springboard.

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<v Speaker 2>I used it as a springboard to pay to go

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<v Speaker 2>to college and get my degree, and I used it

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<v Speaker 2>to start other endeavors and other businesses and create other

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<v Speaker 2>opportunities for myself. Where a lot of the time you

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<v Speaker 2>don't see some of the other castmates doing that same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they have to sort of stay on TV

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<v Speaker 2>because that is all they know and that's all they have,

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<v Speaker 2>And that's no disrespect to them. Not everyone has a

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<v Speaker 2>business mind, But for me, it was like, I know

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<v Speaker 2>that TV won't last forever. I know I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to share these types of details forever. I want to

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<v Speaker 2>share the fun moments, the funny things, and I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do it my way on my podcast, and I

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<v Speaker 2>can have people in my real life also sort of

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<v Speaker 2>do the same thing they were doing on Team Mom

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<v Speaker 2>without it being cut down to four minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So, yeah, would you ever if a production company

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<v Speaker 1>came to you and said, we'd like to focus a

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<v Speaker 1>show around your family, would you be open to that?

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<v Speaker 1>Even though Isaac says he doesn't want, like if he

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't like being acknowledged in public, Like, is that something

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<v Speaker 1>you'd really have to think about.

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<v Speaker 2>So Isaac doesn't want to be associated with Team Mom.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I misspoke when I was saying he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>like the correlation to Team Mom specifically. But I actually

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<v Speaker 2>was just under production contract for I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like nine months.

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<v Speaker 3>It ended in February or March.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm in works with another production company that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a show not necessarily about me. They wanted

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted to be about Isaac. They wanted to be

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<v Speaker 2>told through Isaac's eyes.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, So we'll see how that goes.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if, as you know, with production and TV,

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<v Speaker 2>you can be under contract. They can buy the concept,

0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:30.359
<v Speaker 2>they can buy a pilot, they can do all of

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff, and it can never happen.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I never I always say, like I never count

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<v Speaker 1>my chickens before they hatch until I'm watching you know,

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<v Speaker 1>something on TV. You never know which way it's gonna go.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it could be in uh, it could be

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<v Speaker 1>in the development stages for years on end. But I

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<v Speaker 1>love that idea of having it through his eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think it would be cool because it

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<v Speaker 2>would tell his story and you know, some of the

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<v Speaker 2>some of the babies from Team Mom have been on

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<v Speaker 2>you know TV for all sixteen years. But I think,

0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, Isaac does have a lot to share and

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of unique circumstances in our family

0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.640
<v Speaker 2>because I do have four kids, you know, for fathers

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<v Speaker 2>to my children, and a neighbors with one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a lot of lots stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Which one are you neighbors with?

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<v Speaker 3>Elijah?

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<v Speaker 1>That is bad ass, That's an easy switch, that's an

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<v Speaker 1>easy head on over for Dad's time.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like in the wagon, we're going to Dad's.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, you've got it really figured out. I guess when

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<v Speaker 1>you've been doing it for so long, like you really

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<v Speaker 1>have it down to a science, you.

0:21:44.240 --> 0:21:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Know what's it's chaotic. But I don't know any different.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I know, this is what my kids know,

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<v Speaker 2>and so like, I'm sure there's some level of trauma

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<v Speaker 2>that my kids are going to experience or grow up

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<v Speaker 2>and look back.

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<v Speaker 1>But what child doesn't You could live in the most

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<v Speaker 1>like from the outside perspective, grade a family, dynamic mom

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<v Speaker 1>and dad together, and there's always going to be something

0:22:09.480 --> 0:22:12.160
<v Speaker 1>that a child experiences that's going to be a level

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<v Speaker 1>of trauma. It's just it is what it is.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I would agree with you, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>the trolls would disagree.

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<v Speaker 1>They would be like, you know, that's why they're trolls,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's talk about that. You're like, you have trauma

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<v Speaker 1>as well, because you're up in my comment section acting

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<v Speaker 1>like a damn fool, So let's le dive into your trauma, bitch.

0:22:30.920 --> 0:22:32.760
<v Speaker 3>I got lots of trauma. I talk about it all

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<v Speaker 3>the time, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's helpful and I so that didn't come. That didn't

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<v Speaker 1>play a part in you leaving Reality TV? Did it

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<v Speaker 1>like the trolls? Was it more of an internal battle

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<v Speaker 1>or was it like I'm sick of these random people

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<v Speaker 1>having such a profound say on my life and story.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I struggle with the troll situation a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more than maybe some of the other girls, and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't necessarily want to speak for them,

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<v Speaker 2>but I do. There are phases that I go through,

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<v Speaker 2>like some days, some years, some months I'm really fine

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't pay attention to it, and other times

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I really can't handle this, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>I want to say no, it had no it carried

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<v Speaker 2>no weight, but also, I think it to some degree

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<v Speaker 2>it did have it held a little bit of weight

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<v Speaker 2>in my decision.

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<v Speaker 1>I relate to that there there, I could go months

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<v Speaker 1>and be like, I'm so unaffected by what these random

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<v Speaker 1>people say, and then it'll be a week of non

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<v Speaker 1>stop searching for people just dragging me to filth and

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<v Speaker 1>we participating and looking at it.

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<v Speaker 2>But what is the psychology behind it? I don't and

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.360
<v Speaker 2>I ask my therapist, I'm like, why do I do this?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I'll never know.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll never know either. Are you close with the other mamas?

0:23:49.359 --> 0:23:52.919
<v Speaker 2>I so Kate and Tyre signed my network for their show, okay,

0:23:53.000 --> 0:23:57.200
<v Speaker 2>and then Macy and I have talked about podcasting together.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done podcasts. I wouldn't say I'm close with her,

0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:04.280
<v Speaker 2>but like, we definitely talk, We're friendly. I'm fine with Amber.

0:24:04.359 --> 0:24:06.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to think Pharaoh was just on my podcast

0:24:06.600 --> 0:24:09.120
<v Speaker 2>not that long ago. And then Chelsea and I keep

0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 2>in touch from time to time. Yeah, we all live

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 2>so separately. And I think that's also different from a

0:24:15.240 --> 0:24:18.040
<v Speaker 2>lot of reality shows that are you know, living in

0:24:18.160 --> 0:24:20.960
<v Speaker 2>la like you know, vander Pomp or Real Housewives like

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:21.440
<v Speaker 2>they're getting you.

0:24:21.480 --> 0:24:23.679
<v Speaker 3>Guys are getting together and we're not.

0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:26.040
<v Speaker 1>We never did, right, well, you guys were living in

0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>separate states. That makes total sense. Let's talk about your network.

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<v Speaker 1>So you right now, how many podcasts do you have?

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:39.240
<v Speaker 3>I have three of my own podcasts?

0:24:39.280 --> 0:24:40.160
<v Speaker 1>You have three of your own.

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:42.720
<v Speaker 3>You've got Coffee Combos with Lindsay.

0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:44.520
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Coffee Combos with Lindsay, and.

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:47.159
<v Speaker 2>Then Barely Famous is my solo podcast, which is like

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.480
<v Speaker 2>interview Ba's sort of like this one, okay, and then

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.080
<v Speaker 2>and then I have Carma and Chaos with one of

0:24:53.080 --> 0:24:54.080
<v Speaker 2>my longtime friends.

0:24:55.320 --> 0:24:57.240
<v Speaker 3>That one we launched in October.

0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:24:58.720 --> 0:24:59.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so lots of them.

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 2>And then on the network we have Kate and Tye Okay,

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:06.400
<v Speaker 2>Vibing and kind of thrive in for the Haters, which

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:08.960
<v Speaker 2>is my longtime friends podcast on my network.

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<v Speaker 3>What else do we have? I don't have it. Off

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 3>the top of my head. We have a couple of

0:25:14.359 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 3>shows on there.

0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.840
<v Speaker 1>When did you start the Killer network?

0:25:18.119 --> 0:25:21.120
<v Speaker 3>Killer started twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.

0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:25.199
<v Speaker 1>And did you just have such success and love with

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast industry that you were like, I want this,

0:25:27.600 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I want to make this my full time gig, and

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to put other podcasts on the map.

0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:32.360
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's so funny about that. So I went

0:25:32.400 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 3>to DSU.

0:25:33.640 --> 0:25:36.399
<v Speaker 2>I graduated in twenty seventeen, and I remember during that

0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 2>time everyone was like, podcasting is not like a money maker,

0:25:39.880 --> 0:25:41.719
<v Speaker 2>Like you're gonna put a lot of effort in and

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:45.040
<v Speaker 2>not get a return. And then Lindsay approached me in

0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen and was like, do you want to start

0:25:47.040 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 2>a podcast? And I was like, not really, but I'll

0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:52.040
<v Speaker 2>do it, like I'll give her a chance. And I

0:25:52.080 --> 0:25:54.480
<v Speaker 2>had never met her in person, never. I didn't know

0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>what the heck I was doing. Yeah, I started podcasting.

0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I fell in love with it, and I was like, oh,

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm I'm going to do this, Like this is good.

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be all in. So I went all in.

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>What about it? Did you love? Just like talking into

0:26:05.600 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>a mic and kind of being uninhibited and saying whatever

0:26:08.080 --> 0:26:08.840
<v Speaker 1>the fuck you wanted.

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:10.439
<v Speaker 3>I really think that's where it started.

0:26:10.440 --> 0:26:12.720
<v Speaker 2>It was like, Okay, I can go in depth and

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>explain these teen mom scenarios from the show and actually

0:26:16.480 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>give people like a more well rounded, I don't know,

0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:24.199
<v Speaker 2>in depth view.

0:26:24.359 --> 0:26:26.280
<v Speaker 3>I guess I have to talk about it unfiltered.

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I could say my perspective share my frustrations, but then

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:31.919
<v Speaker 2>I also could share like the good parts of my

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:35.600
<v Speaker 2>life because it's a lifestyle based podcast, and so I

0:26:35.600 --> 0:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>think people started to really see a different side of Kili,

0:26:38.000 --> 0:26:41.959
<v Speaker 2>who's always very very defensive. On Teen Mom, I always

0:26:41.960 --> 0:26:43.960
<v Speaker 2>had my guards up. I came off kind of cold

0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:46.679
<v Speaker 2>and mean, and so on the podcast, I feel like

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:48.919
<v Speaker 2>more people could relate to me, and they saw me

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:52.240
<v Speaker 2>from a different lens, If that makes sense.

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Yes, because I'm seeing you through a different lens just

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:59.680
<v Speaker 1>doing this interview. I would say when I watched Teen Mom,

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:05.200
<v Speaker 1>I think you were very intimidating, you know, like, well

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:09.080
<v Speaker 1>you just you were no bullshit and it was like

0:27:09.160 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>you had very little time for anyone who was here

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.080
<v Speaker 1>to play games and fuck around. And I don't want

0:27:16.080 --> 0:27:18.399
<v Speaker 1>to say that you were cold. I didn't get that

0:27:18.640 --> 0:27:22.760
<v Speaker 1>from you, but I would say that we didn't get

0:27:22.760 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 1>this side of you that I'm getting right now.

0:27:24.480 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 2>I think that's fair, and I think that I still

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 2>have a little bit of that, Like I I and

0:27:30.440 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I get a lot of shit for like leaving my kids' dads.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.919
<v Speaker 2>I left all of them, and I because I am

0:27:36.080 --> 0:27:37.879
<v Speaker 2>to some degree, take no shit. But then also I

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:40.399
<v Speaker 2>am a lover girl, like I'm very soft, I'm a

0:27:40.400 --> 0:27:44.040
<v Speaker 2>cry baby, Like there are parts that I never really

0:27:44.119 --> 0:27:46.240
<v Speaker 2>wanted to show on TV or I didn't know how,

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:49.160
<v Speaker 2>And so through the podcast I was able to express

0:27:49.160 --> 0:27:54.159
<v Speaker 2>myself just completely differently, and I the reaction that I

0:27:54.200 --> 0:27:56.840
<v Speaker 2>was getting from people sort of fueled me into, you know,

0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 2>wanting to keep going through podcasting, and that's why ended

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 2>up doing the second show and then the third show

0:28:02.359 --> 0:28:03.680
<v Speaker 2>and then having the network.

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever run out of shit to talk about?

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Never?

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Well?

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Literally and with I mean, and then I shit my

0:28:10.080 --> 0:28:12.520
<v Speaker 2>pants once a month. That's a whole episode every week

0:28:12.880 --> 0:28:13.560
<v Speaker 2>every other week.

0:28:13.680 --> 0:28:16.439
<v Speaker 1>Are you being truthful right now? You shit your pants? Yeah?

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:18.840
<v Speaker 1>Are we talking like a shirt? Don't we don't realize

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:19.520
<v Speaker 1>what's happening?

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 2>No, Like I I'd say the nitty gritty shit on

0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:26.560
<v Speaker 2>my podcast, all of them, like shit my pants at

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.159
<v Speaker 2>a drive fifteen minutes home, like it was bad, you

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 2>know what I mean?

0:28:29.800 --> 0:28:31.920
<v Speaker 3>So like I talk about everything.

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:35.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, what good for you that you can shit

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>your pants and still bag four dudes to have kids with.

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I think if I were to shit my pants, no

0:28:39.760 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>one would ever be with me ever.

0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Again, I mean, it's possible, but I you know, you

0:28:44.640 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>take me as I am. You gotta let them know

0:28:46.280 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 2>up front who you are, right, and then there's no

0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:50.200
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to worry about it, and you're down

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:50.560
<v Speaker 2>the line.

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:52.000
<v Speaker 1>There's no surprises.

0:28:52.800 --> 0:28:52.880
<v Speaker 2>FU.

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>What is it like for you dating?

0:28:55.160 --> 0:28:57.120
<v Speaker 3>There's not a whole lot of dating before I get

0:28:57.200 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 3>pregnant usually.

0:28:58.440 --> 0:29:01.600
<v Speaker 1>Really so it's kind of like where we've seen each

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.920
<v Speaker 1>other a couple of times and now we're stuck together forever.

0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:07.760
<v Speaker 3>That's pretty much how it works with Elijah.

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Okay that one.

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:13.040
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I contrary to popular belief, I've actually

0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 2>can count on both my hands on many people I've

0:29:15.800 --> 0:29:17.480
<v Speaker 2>slept with. They think that because I have kids with

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.200
<v Speaker 2>four men, that I just like am out here gallivanting around.

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 3>Like not true at all.

0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Like I just fall in love so fast, and I

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 2>think that get pregnant right.

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Away, you know what I mean?

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean with seven kids, I would say, if

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>you were out in these streets just banging whoever, I

0:29:34.240 --> 0:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>think that you would have like twelve hundred kids.

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and yeah, and lots of baby daddies, Which is

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>that's the bigger problem.

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 3>It's not the babies, you know, it's the dads that

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 3>I have to deal with.

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>That's very intense. I can't imagine having four of them.

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I have one. And I'm like, can how do I

0:29:51.400 --> 0:29:55.920
<v Speaker 1>like give you away, keep the kids, take the dad? Yeah,

0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:57.840
<v Speaker 1>go away please?

0:29:57.880 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 3>Literally? Literally?

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 1>What is it? Like? I mean, like, are you trying

0:30:01.800 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 1>to date right now?

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not. I don't want to leave my house.

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 2>That's the other thing is, I'm such a homebody, but

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:11.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm like homebody to the extreme. The only times that

0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>I leave my house is for my kids' sports and

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:15.680
<v Speaker 2>if I'm on a work trip. So you will not

0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>catch me going out in Delaware and like going out

0:30:19.200 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to eat. You'll never see me at a restaurant out

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:21.600
<v Speaker 2>in Delaware.

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>You know what, though, I'm the same way, Like every

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>time I post on social media, I'm like, why does

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.480
<v Speaker 1>anyone follow me? I don't do anything fucking cool. I'm

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 1>always in this always in this house.

0:30:32.520 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Literally, I don't want I have everything.

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.520
<v Speaker 2>I was just having this conversation yesterday and like, I

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.960
<v Speaker 2>have a pool, I have my house, there's door dash.

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:41.440
<v Speaker 3>I read a lot of books, Like what purpose do

0:30:41.520 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 3>I need to leave this house? Like, I don't want

0:30:43.920 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 3>to go.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't blame you at all. Are you open to

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:50.360
<v Speaker 1>dating in the future, No, Cail, I feel like we

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:51.600
<v Speaker 1>may be the same person.

0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I fear we may be the same person.

0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 1>Like it's actually I'm like, wow, I'm having a conversation

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:57.600
<v Speaker 1>with myself.

0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.800
<v Speaker 3>It's it's borderline unhealthy think for.

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Me and with the dating for me. I don't know

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:06.959
<v Speaker 1>if you relate to this, but you know, once you

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 1>get to a certain place, like you have the kids, right,

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:11.080
<v Speaker 1>so you don't need a man to come in any

0:31:11.160 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>longer to give you your kids because you're you're how

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:18.400
<v Speaker 1>old thirty three? Thirty three? You're a baby, we're babies.

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.000
<v Speaker 1>You've got your kids, You've got your own career, you've

0:31:22.000 --> 0:31:25.280
<v Speaker 1>got your own money. It sounds to me like you've

0:31:25.280 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 1>got a therapist who can kind of get you on

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.840
<v Speaker 1>point when it comes to your emotions. Yep, you really

0:31:31.920 --> 0:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>don't need a man to come in and give you

0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:35.719
<v Speaker 1>any of those things.

0:31:36.160 --> 0:31:39.120
<v Speaker 3>No, And I think that's what people get really upset about.

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't.

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a victim of my circumstances when it comes

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:44.120
<v Speaker 2>to men. I'm not going to stay where it doesn't

0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>serve me any longer. And it takes a lot to

0:31:46.720 --> 0:31:48.920
<v Speaker 2>impress me. I don't care because I have all of

0:31:49.000 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 2>this shit to like, I already do it all myself, right,

0:31:51.560 --> 0:31:53.200
<v Speaker 2>and if I can't do it, I can hire.

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 3>Someone who can.

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>So I don't need a man to come forward or

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:57.680
<v Speaker 2>to come into my life and do the things I

0:31:57.680 --> 0:31:58.320
<v Speaker 2>don't need it.

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:02.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, That's how I feel. And that's actually what scares

0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:06.360
<v Speaker 1>me as well, because I mean full transparency, and I

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:08.320
<v Speaker 1>doubt by the time this airs, I will have bumped

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>peeps with anybody. I literally have not been intimate with

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 1>a man. And I've said this on every podcast because

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm just it's shocking to me no intimacy in over

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:20.000
<v Speaker 1>two years.

0:32:20.160 --> 0:32:22.600
<v Speaker 3>But you know what, you can do it yourself, That's

0:32:22.640 --> 0:32:23.360
<v Speaker 3>what I'm saying.

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, I've got a drawarf full of vibrators. I'm

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.520
<v Speaker 1>like a man. Really, I really don't need it. And

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>I worry that I'm gonna be so comfortable in this

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.400
<v Speaker 1>solo dynamic that my kids are gonna be grown and

0:32:36.440 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go, what the fuck my Mom's gonna be

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 1>dead and gone, Oh my god, I can't even think

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:40.800
<v Speaker 1>about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Kil wait. I went to my obi well, I guess

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<v Speaker 3>uy n, and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was like, Hey, how do I not use vibrators to

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<v Speaker 2>get off because I was like so used to the

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:57.160
<v Speaker 2>vibrators that I couldn't get off any other way. It

0:32:57.320 --> 0:32:58.720
<v Speaker 2>was like what do you what do you mean? And

0:32:58.800 --> 0:33:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like I can only do this and he

0:33:00.760 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, all right, we're gonna have to. So we

0:33:02.480 --> 0:33:04.240
<v Speaker 2>had to have a whole conversation, come up with a

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 2>game plan, check in so like when you're talking about this,

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>like this is real, like we're the same person.

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<v Speaker 1>We are no everything you're saying, I'm like, oh my god.

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Cale and I could literally live in a hole together

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:18.440
<v Speaker 1>with all.

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:20.960
<v Speaker 2>The kids, and if we didn't talk and we were

0:33:21.000 --> 0:33:22.760
<v Speaker 2>just in each other's company, that's fine too.

0:33:23.120 --> 0:33:27.880
<v Speaker 1>Even better Postmates show That is my vibe with a

0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:29.880
<v Speaker 1>bunch of kids, because all I want to do is

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:32.920
<v Speaker 1>be surrounded by children and just like chicks chill.

0:33:33.320 --> 0:33:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I have eighteen chickens also there. They're a

0:33:36.320 --> 0:33:36.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of fun.

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.760
<v Speaker 1>Well. I saw you do something with Isaac where you

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<v Speaker 1>did the whole egg sing with cage free and like

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<v Speaker 1>store bought.

0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh so we did like our farm fresh eggs from

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 2>our farm, yeah, and then store bought and that was

0:33:50.120 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of cool because I'm not really an egg eater.

0:33:52.080 --> 0:33:55.080
<v Speaker 2>I just got the chickens for funzies. Yeah, my son

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:57.280
<v Speaker 2>likes to bake, and so he was like, wait, these

0:33:57.280 --> 0:33:59.280
<v Speaker 2>are really different, and so we like did the comparison

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.480
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and so so now we have eighteen chickens,

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>four goats, three pigs, and five ducks.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, how many acres you got up up there in Delaware?

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 2>You no what?

0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:11.520
<v Speaker 3>We're only on six right now.

0:34:11.600 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>But we're only on six, just a cool six acres.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, because you're in LA, right, So what is the

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 3>acreage like over there?

0:34:19.400 --> 0:34:21.960
<v Speaker 1>The acreage is no acreage, babe, unless I want to

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 1>be dropping one hundred million dollars for six acres, no joke.

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 3>Are you kidding me?

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:27.319
<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding you.

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:29.200
<v Speaker 3>I just bought twenty acres.

0:34:29.400 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>Are you under what? I am moving the family to Delaware?

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<v Speaker 3>One?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's the good thing about Delaware is that

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<v Speaker 2>it's two hours from everything Baltimore, Philly, New York, New Jersey.

0:34:40.719 --> 0:34:44.080
<v Speaker 2>So's it's pretty essentrally located. But in Delaware itself, I

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:47.000
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't if you're used to living in LA, it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>not for you, I would.

0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 3>Guess, Kevin.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't leave. I don't leave the house.

0:34:50.880 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 3>This is true. This is true. So maybe you'd like

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:53.960
<v Speaker 3>it here there's a beach an hour away.

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>See, that is totally my vibe. What's it like for

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:00.440
<v Speaker 1>your kids going to school in a place like Aware,

0:35:00.440 --> 0:35:03.920
<v Speaker 1>where like you're in the public eye. For me, obviously,

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 1>my kids, well my oldest is only four, but she

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>goes to school with a lot of kids whose parents

0:35:12.040 --> 0:35:16.120
<v Speaker 1>are in the entertainment world, so like it's no big deal, right, yeah,

0:35:16.200 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 1>for you, I have to imagine that that is very

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.680
<v Speaker 1>strange for most of the kids to be like you're

0:35:22.719 --> 0:35:23.280
<v Speaker 1>on TV.

0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, so my seven year old, he's in second grade.

0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>He came home and he said, and this kid knew

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:31.200
<v Speaker 2>what kind of car you drove, and he saw you

0:35:31.239 --> 0:35:33.240
<v Speaker 2>on TikTok and he knows about your TikTok.

0:35:33.360 --> 0:35:34.239
<v Speaker 3>And I'm like, this.

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Is so weird because I don't think anybody on the

0:35:37.760 --> 0:35:41.839
<v Speaker 2>show could have really put themselves in that headspace when

0:35:41.880 --> 0:35:43.319
<v Speaker 2>we signed up to do the show, So I don't

0:35:43.320 --> 0:35:45.719
<v Speaker 2>think any of us were really thinking about the after effects.

0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>For him, I think it's okay because he wants to

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.560
<v Speaker 2>be a movie star. He wants to be movies and

0:35:50.600 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I believe him. But for my oldest, Like, he wants

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:55.840
<v Speaker 2>to do things more his way, and so it's a

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:58.759
<v Speaker 2>little uncomfortable when people are like teen mom. Now, if

0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:00.719
<v Speaker 2>it was a different show, I think that he would

0:36:00.719 --> 0:36:02.880
<v Speaker 2>have a different reaction, but I think there is a

0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 2>stigma attached to team Mom.

0:36:04.719 --> 0:36:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree with you. I definitely would agree

0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 1>with you. So how old seven? The seven year old

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:15.200
<v Speaker 1>wants to be in movies? Yeah, and I believe them, Like,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.319
<v Speaker 1>so are we facilitating this? Are we like sending him

0:36:18.320 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>on auditions and things like that?

0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Since we live in Delaware, there's not a whole lot

0:36:22.200 --> 0:36:25.680
<v Speaker 2>of anything going on. Audition wise, I'd have to be

0:36:25.719 --> 0:36:27.359
<v Speaker 2>in La or in New York, and I just we

0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:30.040
<v Speaker 2>don't have the time and resources to do that with

0:36:30.160 --> 0:36:33.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, sports and everything else. So unfortunately, no, But

0:36:33.400 --> 0:36:36.280
<v Speaker 2>I think that he still has prompt a promising future

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 2>in comedy if nothing else.

0:36:38.320 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:39.160 --> 0:36:40.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a big personality.

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.560
<v Speaker 1>I want to know what it's like for your only

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:48.320
<v Speaker 1>daughter to be around six boys, because she's only a

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>year and a half, right.

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the twins are eighteen months. We'll have to do

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:56.560
<v Speaker 2>another follow up when she's a little older. But she

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:59.960
<v Speaker 2>truly is so spicy and It's so funny because I

0:37:01.000 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>think that the twins.

0:37:01.800 --> 0:37:04.280
<v Speaker 3>Are me and Elijah in Little Children Bodies.

0:37:04.320 --> 0:37:07.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because Elijah is very like stoic, you don't know

0:37:07.440 --> 0:37:11.279
<v Speaker 2>what he's thinking. He's very chill, calm, that's verse. And

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:15.400
<v Speaker 2>then Bally is just full of life and very spicy.

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:16.600
<v Speaker 2>She'll let you know what she wants.

0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:20.040
<v Speaker 1>That is adorable. Yeah, and I'm not believe that you

0:37:20.120 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>only have one girl.

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:24.120
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy. I really thought maybe we would have the

0:37:24.120 --> 0:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>grand Finale of twin girls. But I'm glad it was

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 2>boy girl twins because then I don't want them to

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:31.560
<v Speaker 2>compare each other. If it was two girls or two boys,

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want them to like do the comparison game.

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>And I know this is crazy to say, but like

0:37:35.600 --> 0:37:37.080
<v Speaker 2>I wish twins on everyone.

0:37:37.120 --> 0:37:40.960
<v Speaker 3>I love. Like, twins are so fun. I love them

0:37:41.040 --> 0:37:43.320
<v Speaker 3>so much, and if I could have another set of twins,

0:37:43.360 --> 0:37:43.720
<v Speaker 3>I would.

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:46.440
<v Speaker 1>That is crazy to me. You were like born to

0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:46.959
<v Speaker 1>be a mother.

0:37:47.360 --> 0:37:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I must have been because my parents didn't really want me.

0:37:50.840 --> 0:37:53.240
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know if it was like Karma's like okay,

0:37:53.239 --> 0:37:54.640
<v Speaker 2>well then you're gonna have a kid that wants a

0:37:54.719 --> 0:37:55.360
<v Speaker 2>hundred kids.

0:37:55.960 --> 0:37:57.680
<v Speaker 3>And that's exactly what happened.

0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:00.240
<v Speaker 1>So your relationship with them hasn't changed with your parents.

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:04.680
<v Speaker 2>No, my dad, I met him on TV twenty ten,

0:38:04.960 --> 0:38:07.640
<v Speaker 2>okay or two thousand and nine. That was the first

0:38:07.640 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 2>and last time I had ever met him. And then

0:38:09.640 --> 0:38:12.040
<v Speaker 2>my mom I haven't seen in eight years. So I

0:38:12.080 --> 0:38:14.200
<v Speaker 2>don't know where she lives. I don't have her phone number.

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.040
<v Speaker 2>She's only met my two oldest. She hasn't met the

0:38:17.040 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 2>rest of them.

0:38:18.040 --> 0:38:20.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't even know if she knows I have twins

0:38:20.200 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 3>or any other kid. Like, I don't know what she knows.

0:38:22.280 --> 0:38:22.920
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea.

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.520
<v Speaker 1>I have to imagine she knows about your life. I mean,

0:38:25.560 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 1>you're very googleable, maybe.

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>But like I don't know if she googles me, you know,

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:32.000
<v Speaker 2>like I don't know if that's something that she would do.

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so then who hey, mom, could you imagine.

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:41.640
<v Speaker 3>She's like I heard you on wa LA's podcast right?

0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:45.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh? No? Before we sign off, I want to know

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the biggest challenge with having seven children.

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest challenge is time management because I

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 2>do really love to spend one on one time with

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:00.160
<v Speaker 2>all of the kids in addition to like family, like

0:39:00.200 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 2>all of us together, and I never want anyone to

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.480
<v Speaker 2>think that I don't make sure that each of my

0:39:05.560 --> 0:39:09.400
<v Speaker 2>kids has that. It is important no matter if you

0:39:09.400 --> 0:39:10.719
<v Speaker 2>have one kid, if you have five kids, if you

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:12.560
<v Speaker 2>have ten kids, that one on one time, even if

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:14.480
<v Speaker 2>it's five or ten minutes, like, that's something that we

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 2>carve out almost every single day. That is challenging because

0:39:18.320 --> 0:39:21.200
<v Speaker 2>I know that these six kids need me right now,

0:39:21.520 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 2>but this individual child needs me for ten minutes undivided.

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 3>So I think that's the hardest part.

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Does that make you nervous as they get older that

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 1>you may not see that one of them needs you

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>and you could drop the ball.

0:39:35.760 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I definitely think about that from time

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.000
<v Speaker 2>to time. But I also think that the same could

0:39:40.000 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 2>be said for a single mom of.

0:39:41.320 --> 0:39:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Two children, absolutely correct.

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 2>I think the same could be said of a mom

0:39:45.360 --> 0:39:47.279
<v Speaker 2>of one child who's working. You know, when I had

0:39:47.400 --> 0:39:49.839
<v Speaker 2>just had Isaac, I worked three jobs, and you know, well,

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:52.319
<v Speaker 2>including school, it was two jobs plus school, and so

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:55.200
<v Speaker 2>that could have happened with just one. So I think

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:58.560
<v Speaker 2>it really depends on the circumstances of each individual family.

0:39:58.640 --> 0:40:02.840
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I hope that making sure that I

0:40:02.880 --> 0:40:07.239
<v Speaker 2>carve out that individual time will connect myself with my

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 2>each child in a way that they know that, you know,

0:40:09.600 --> 0:40:12.040
<v Speaker 2>if they need me and I don't see it right away,

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.120
<v Speaker 2>that they can still come to me and say, hey, like,

0:40:14.840 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, I need you for X, Y and C,

0:40:16.640 --> 0:40:19.560
<v Speaker 2>or like I need this ten minutes today or you know,

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.279
<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, I want to go do something with you.

0:40:21.560 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:27.040
<v Speaker 2>I hope that that strengthen, strengthens the relationship enough that

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:28.560
<v Speaker 2>they can come to me and tell me.

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 3>They need me.

0:40:29.600 --> 0:40:31.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that's amazing, And I have to say I'm

0:40:32.400 --> 0:40:36.279
<v Speaker 1>in awe of you and everything that you've built off of.

0:40:36.719 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, was it teen Mom or sixteen and Pregnant

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:41.360
<v Speaker 1>that you were on?

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh and did I did sixteen and Pregnant first and

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:45.719
<v Speaker 2>then did thirteen years of teen Mom.

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.640
<v Speaker 1>Well, it is fucking jaw dropping to see what you

0:40:49.760 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>have done off of that. I'm very inspired. I'm excited

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to have you on the bonus. I have a lot

0:40:55.680 --> 0:41:00.440
<v Speaker 1>of people who want to know how to parent certain

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:04.520
<v Speaker 1>situations or I'm not sparing or I'm not Hey, you

0:41:04.560 --> 0:41:07.120
<v Speaker 1>know what we can we can give both I did

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.200
<v Speaker 1>this wrong, never do this. Thank you so much for

0:41:10.280 --> 0:41:12.720
<v Speaker 1>making time for to give them Ala Podcall. I really

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it. Thank you so much, of course, and my love.

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for listening to another episode of

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the Give Them a La Podcast. We will catch you

0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:21.279
<v Speaker 1>next week.