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Speaker 1: Hello, gorgeous. It is La La Kun. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the Give Them La La Podcast. I'm freaking losing my

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Speaker 1: mind today because I have no I'm losing my shit.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I have cal Lowry from Teen Mom,

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Speaker 1: but you have gone above and beyond since then. I

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Speaker 1: can't believe it's been this long since you, like started

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Speaker 1: in the public eye. Hi, how are you welcome?

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I can't believe I'm sitting

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Speaker 2: with you crazy.

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Speaker 1: It is crazy. And you know I wrote into the

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Speaker 1: little like Instagram podcast thing and everyone was like, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, this was the duo I never knew I needed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I agree with that. I cannot believe

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Speaker 1: we've never crossed paths. I started watching Teen Mom. I

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Speaker 1: think it came out in two thousand and nine. Right,

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Speaker 1: you made your first appearance twenty ten, twenty ten, so

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Speaker 1: I had just graduated from high school. How did that

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Speaker 1: process go? Did you just get like I don't I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how MTV found you all.

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Speaker 2: Well, so there's a little bit of a difference between

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Speaker 2: like the season one girls like Macy Caitlin, they got

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Speaker 2: on a little bit differently. I think that their's was

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Speaker 2: like Craigslist posts and stuff like that. Yeah, and so

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Speaker 2: once that one sort of took off and they did

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Speaker 2: season two of sixteen and Pregnant. I had seen it

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Speaker 2: on MTV dot com it said now casting, So I

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Speaker 2: like took initiative and like applied.

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Speaker 1: I guess, wow, Craigslist, that is a the throwback of

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Speaker 1: a website, like a.

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Speaker 3: Blast from the past. Do people still use Craigslist?

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Speaker 1: I think once people started getting murdered when they would

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Speaker 1: like find their roommate on there, I think it kind

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Speaker 1: of like had its day, but I mean it changed

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Speaker 1: your guys' lives.

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Speaker 3: It really did.

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Speaker 1: So did they have someone come in and just like

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Speaker 2: Called me two weeks I had sent like maybe like

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Speaker 2: a paragraph and I was like explaining my living situation

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Speaker 2: that I was already pregnant, and two weeks later when

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Speaker 2: they called me, everything had already changed. I had already

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Speaker 2: and so from the time I emailed to that first

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Speaker 2: liked what you had to say, like, we're going to

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Speaker 2: submit a questionnaire. It's like hundreds of questions, a psycho

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Speaker 2: val all of this. We didn't ever get interviewed in person.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well at least I never did. I never got

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The first day that I met everybody was the first

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Speaker 1: How intimidating.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.

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Speaker 1: At that age. I can't imagine having a camera crew

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Speaker 1: come in and it's your most vulnerable time you're a child,

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Speaker 1: yourself becoming a mom.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the difference is now with reality

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Speaker 1: back in the day when you started it was more raw.

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Speaker 3: No, I think it for my experience.

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Speaker 2: I mean I was on for thirteen years, and I

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Speaker 2: really think the only thing that really changed was me,

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Speaker 2: Like I realized early on that I could be manipulated

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Speaker 2: I know how this is going to be edited. I

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Speaker 2: know that they have to edit down six months of

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Speaker 2: I started to push back because I was like, this

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Speaker 2: think truly all throughout all thirteen years, it was the same.

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Speaker 1: You wanted to take control of your own narrative because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like if you weren't there for huge

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Speaker 2: them pickups, and they were not real time. Or you'd

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Speaker 2: see like someone's hair would be changed because they only

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Speaker 2: And so for that it was really hard as like

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Speaker 2: for something that didn't necessarily even have been.

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Speaker 1: That way, right, because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: the rest of the world watching.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they still had to put in those pieces

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Speaker 3: And I do understand that.

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Speaker 2: I get it. It's just it was very hard to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't even imagine. I started reality TV when

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Speaker 1: I was twenty three. I can't imagine starting at sixteen

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Speaker 1: and you know, expecting my first child. What was the

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Speaker 2: Never had a great relationship with my mom. It was

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Speaker 2: always tumultuous. It was always very touch and go. She

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Speaker 2: didn't raise me. My whole life.

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Speaker 3: I sort of was like wherever someone would take me,

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Speaker 1: Like with friends or grandboyfriends.

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Speaker 2: Yep, grandparents, friends, everybody, Like my mom would leave me

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Speaker 3: That was just how That's how I grew up.

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Speaker 1: Do you have siblings my.

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Speaker 2: has children in the Philippines.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And did you have a relationship with him.

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Speaker 3: No, I met him on TV for the first time.

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Speaker 1: So you went into parenting not knowing what the fuck

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and sort of that was like my mentality was like,

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Speaker 3: What I didn't have was sort of where I was at.

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Speaker 1: I think that that's beautiful. You you you, I mean

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Speaker 1: you you changed the direction. You broke the cycle. So

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Speaker 1: once you had your first, uh, your first child, you

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Speaker 1: have seven children, Cale, I shook it to my fucking core.

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Speaker 1: I have to be honest, because I remember watching you

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Speaker 1: and like Isaac coming into the picture and like your

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Speaker 1: first love. And then I remember seeing like Cale Lowry

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Speaker 1: I mean, were you expecting twins? Is that something that

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Speaker 1: runs in your family or the father's family? Twins?

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Speaker 2: So I don't know how many people really know this,

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Speaker 2: but twins always come from the mom's side. So even

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Speaker 1: I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the mom's side is what carries is genetic

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Speaker 2: or hereditary, is paternal twins and then identical twins. There's

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Speaker 2: no there's no biological or like hereditary component there.

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Speaker 3: That's just like I was gonna say, risk, that's just

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Speaker 3: by chance.

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Speaker 2: I do have paternal twins in my family, and Elijah,

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Speaker 2: oddly enough has identical and paternal in his family. So

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Speaker 2: it was just like it was okay, I just didn't

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Speaker 2: expect to be pregnant at all.

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Speaker 3: Like I didn't know I was pregnant at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's break this down. Obviously, you're first born

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Speaker 1: Your other children, was there a conversation about wanting to

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Speaker 1: I don't want to say oopsies, but were they all

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Speaker 3: Yeah? So the only one that was planned was Lincoln

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Speaker 3: and I was married, right.

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Speaker 2: Would say they're all they were all pleasant surprises. I

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Speaker 2: very toxic time, and so he so creed number four

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Speaker 2: and so that one was a really difficult decision because

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Speaker 2: I did contemplate possibly terminating the pregnancy. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad that he's here, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: What is it like, I know what it's like to

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Speaker 1: have four of them? Right?

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Speaker 2: What I like to say three in an ex husband

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Speaker 2: because my ex husband was never.

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Speaker 3: A baby daddy?

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Speaker 1: Which dad was that?

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Speaker 3: That was Hobby Lincoln's dad.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not a baby daddy.

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Speaker 3: No, he never was, never will be. He's like, he's

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Speaker 1: And you have a good relationship with him.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's not saying that they weren't trying times,

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Speaker 3: But I think that through it.

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Speaker 2: All, we have always maintained Lincoln's best interest, and so

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Speaker 2: or how convoluted everything got him, and I always maintained

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Speaker 1: I think, no matter what sort of situation that you're

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Speaker 1: go through the rough patches, right, there's a reason why

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Speaker 1: the relationship ended. And I think you saying that you

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Speaker 1: always put Lincoln first. I would say that that is

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Speaker 1: a healthy and thriving co parenting relationship. The other three

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Speaker 1: like what is the custody situation? Like, I mean, do

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Speaker 1: you have your kids the majority of the time, do

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Speaker 1: you try and keep them on the same schedule as

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Speaker 1: far as going to their dad's house.

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Speaker 3: So, Delaware is typically a fifty to fifty state unless

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Speaker 3: otherwise agreed upon. So if you are divorced, do you

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Speaker 3: go through, you know, a separation with your partner, even

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Speaker 3: if you're not married, it's a fifty to fifty state,

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Speaker 3: whether that's two two three or week on, week off.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 2: When Habby and I got divorced, immediately was Isaac and

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Speaker 2: Lincoln on the exact same fifty to fifty schedule where

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Speaker 2: we would exchange on the same exact day, holidays were

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Speaker 2: the same, everything was sort of the same. And then

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Speaker 2: for Lux and Creed it's a little bit different because

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Speaker 2: of the circumstances and how toxic that relationship was. And

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Speaker 2: so that is a ninety ten split, and he also

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Speaker 2: lives out of state, so he can't necessarily have fifty

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Speaker 2: to fifty. And then so when they do go to

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Speaker 2: their dads on you know, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, it's on

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Speaker 1: Are you not exhausted?

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Speaker 2: Pretty much based on my experience filming and knowing how

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Speaker 1: Right. So, yeah, would you ever if a production company

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Speaker 3: So that's exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I never I always say, like I never count

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Speaker 1: Wow, you've got it really figured out. I guess when

444
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,879
Speaker 1: you've been doing it for so long, like you really

445
00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: have it down to a science, you.

446
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:48,440
Speaker 3: Know what's it's chaotic. But I don't know any different.

447
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 2: This is what I know, this is what my kids know,

448
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: and so like, I'm sure there's some level of trauma

449
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 2: that my kids are going to experience or grow up

450
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:55,560
Speaker 2: and look back.

451
00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: But what child doesn't You could live in the most

452
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: like from the outside perspective, grade a family, dynamic mom

453
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: and dad together, and there's always going to be something

454
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 1: that a child experiences that's going to be a level

455
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: of trauma. It's just it is what it is.

456
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Speaker 3: I mean, I would agree with you, but I think

457
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,000
Speaker 3: the trolls would disagree.

458
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 1: They would be like, you know, that's why they're trolls,

459
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,119
Speaker 1: and let's talk about that. You're like, you have trauma

460
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: as well, because you're up in my comment section acting

461
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: like a damn fool, So let's le dive into your trauma, bitch.

462
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 3: I got lots of trauma. I talk about it all

463
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:33,920
Speaker 3: the time, but.

464
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 1: It's helpful and I so that didn't come. That didn't

465
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 1: play a part in you leaving Reality TV? Did it

466
00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,280
Speaker 1: like the trolls? Was it more of an internal battle

467
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,000
Speaker 1: or was it like I'm sick of these random people

468
00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: having such a profound say on my life and story.

469
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: I think I struggle with the troll situation a little

470
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,520
Speaker 2: bit more than maybe some of the other girls, and

471
00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,680
Speaker 2: I don't I don't necessarily want to speak for them,

472
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 2: but I do. There are phases that I go through,

473
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 2: like some days, some years, some months I'm really fine

474
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 2: and I don't pay attention to it, and other times

475
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, I really can't handle this, and so I

476
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 2: I want to say no, it had no it carried

477
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,919
Speaker 2: no weight, but also, I think it to some degree

478
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: it did have it held a little bit of weight

479
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,720
Speaker 2: in my decision.

480
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 1: I relate to that there there, I could go months

481
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: and be like, I'm so unaffected by what these random

482
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: people say, and then it'll be a week of non

483
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:35,239
Speaker 1: stop searching for people just dragging me to filth and

484
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: we participating and looking at it.

485
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,879
Speaker 2: But what is the psychology behind it? I don't and

486
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 2: I ask my therapist, I'm like, why do I do this?

487
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:44,879
Speaker 3: I don't know. I'll never know.

488
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 1: I'll never know either. Are you close with the other mamas?

489
00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:52,919
Speaker 2: I so Kate and Tyre signed my network for their show, okay,

490
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: and then Macy and I have talked about podcasting together.

491
00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 2: We've done podcasts. I wouldn't say I'm close with her,

492
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: but like, we definitely talk, We're friendly. I'm fine with Amber.

493
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think Pharaoh was just on my podcast

494
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,120
Speaker 2: not that long ago. And then Chelsea and I keep

495
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: in touch from time to time. Yeah, we all live

496
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,240
Speaker 2: so separately. And I think that's also different from a

497
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: lot of reality shows that are you know, living in

498
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: la like you know, vander Pomp or Real Housewives like

499
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 2: they're getting you.

500
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,679
Speaker 3: Guys are getting together and we're not.

501
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: We never did, right, well, you guys were living in

502
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 1: separate states. That makes total sense. Let's talk about your network.

503
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: So you right now, how many podcasts do you have?

504
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 3: I have three of my own podcasts?

505
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:40,160
Speaker 1: You have three of your own.

506
00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 3: You've got Coffee Combos with Lindsay.

507
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: Okay, Coffee Combos with Lindsay, and.

508
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 2: Then Barely Famous is my solo podcast, which is like

509
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: interview Ba's sort of like this one, okay, and then

510
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 2: and then I have Carma and Chaos with one of

511
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 2: my longtime friends.

512
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,240
Speaker 3: That one we launched in October.

513
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: Wow.

514
00:24:58,720 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, so lots of them.

515
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 2: And then on the network we have Kate and Tye Okay,

516
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,400
Speaker 2: Vibing and kind of thrive in for the Haters, which

517
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 2: is my longtime friends podcast on my network.

518
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 3: What else do we have? I don't have it. Off

519
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: the top of my head. We have a couple of

520
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: shows on there.

521
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: When did you start the Killer network?

522
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 3: Killer started twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two.

523
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 1: And did you just have such success and love with

524
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 1: the podcast industry that you were like, I want this,

525
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 1: I want to make this my full time gig, and

526
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: I want to put other podcasts on the map.

527
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: You know, it's so funny about that. So I went

528
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 3: to DSU.

529
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: I graduated in twenty seventeen, and I remember during that

530
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 2: time everyone was like, podcasting is not like a money maker,

531
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:41,719
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna put a lot of effort in and

532
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 2: not get a return. And then Lindsay approached me in

533
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and was like, do you want to start

534
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 2: a podcast? And I was like, not really, but I'll

535
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 2: do it, like I'll give her a chance. And I

536
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: had never met her in person, never. I didn't know

537
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: what the heck I was doing. Yeah, I started podcasting.

538
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: I fell in love with it, and I was like, oh,

539
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to do this, Like this is good.

540
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 3: I'm going to be all in. So I went all in.

541
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: What about it? Did you love? Just like talking into

542
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: a mic and kind of being uninhibited and saying whatever

543
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 1: the fuck you wanted.

544
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 3: I really think that's where it started.

545
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: It was like, Okay, I can go in depth and

546
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: explain these teen mom scenarios from the show and actually

547
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: give people like a more well rounded, I don't know,

548
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 2: in depth view.

549
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: I guess I have to talk about it unfiltered.

550
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 2: I could say my perspective share my frustrations, but then

551
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 2: I also could share like the good parts of my

552
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 2: life because it's a lifestyle based podcast, and so I

553
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 2: think people started to really see a different side of Kili,

554
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 2: who's always very very defensive. On Teen Mom, I always

555
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 2: had my guards up. I came off kind of cold

556
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 2: and mean, and so on the podcast, I feel like

557
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: more people could relate to me, and they saw me

558
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 2: from a different lens, If that makes sense.

559
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: Yes, because I'm seeing you through a different lens just

560
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: doing this interview. I would say when I watched Teen Mom,

561
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: I think you were very intimidating, you know, like, well

562
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: you just you were no bullshit and it was like

563
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: you had very little time for anyone who was here

564
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: to play games and fuck around. And I don't want

565
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: to say that you were cold. I didn't get that

566
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: from you, but I would say that we didn't get

567
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: this side of you that I'm getting right now.

568
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 2: I think that's fair, and I think that I still

569
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 2: have a little bit of that, Like I I and

570
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 2: I get a lot of shit for like leaving my kids' dads.

571
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 2: I left all of them, and I because I am

572
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 2: to some degree, take no shit. But then also I

573
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 2: am a lover girl, like I'm very soft, I'm a

574
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: cry baby, Like there are parts that I never really

575
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 2: wanted to show on TV or I didn't know how,

576
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: And so through the podcast I was able to express

577
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 2: myself just completely differently, and I the reaction that I

578
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: was getting from people sort of fueled me into, you know,

579
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 2: wanting to keep going through podcasting, and that's why ended

580
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: up doing the second show and then the third show

581
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: and then having the network.

582
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: Do you ever run out of shit to talk about?

583
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: Never?

584
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: Well?

585
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: Literally and with I mean, and then I shit my

586
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: pants once a month. That's a whole episode every week

587
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: every other week.

588
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: Are you being truthful right now? You shit your pants? Yeah?

589
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: Are we talking like a shirt? Don't we don't realize

590
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: what's happening?

591
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: No, Like I I'd say the nitty gritty shit on

592
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: my podcast, all of them, like shit my pants at

593
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,159
Speaker 2: a drive fifteen minutes home, like it was bad, you

594
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

595
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 3: So like I talk about everything.

596
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: You know, what good for you that you can shit

597
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: your pants and still bag four dudes to have kids with.

598
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 1: I think if I were to shit my pants, no

599
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: one would ever be with me ever.

600
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: Again, I mean, it's possible, but I you know, you

601
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: take me as I am. You gotta let them know

602
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 2: up front who you are, right, and then there's no

603
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: you don't have to worry about it, and you're down

604
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: the line.

605
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: There's no surprises.

606
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: FU.

607
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: What is it like for you dating?

608
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,120
Speaker 3: There's not a whole lot of dating before I get

609
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: pregnant usually.

610
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Really so it's kind of like where we've seen each

611
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: other a couple of times and now we're stuck together forever.

612
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 3: That's pretty much how it works with Elijah.

613
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 1: Okay that one.

614
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 2: And you know, I contrary to popular belief, I've actually

615
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: can count on both my hands on many people I've

616
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: slept with. They think that because I have kids with

617
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: four men, that I just like am out here gallivanting around.

618
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 3: Like not true at all.

619
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: Like I just fall in love so fast, and I

620
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,840
Speaker 2: think that get pregnant right.

621
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: Away, you know what I mean?

622
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean with seven kids, I would say, if

623
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: you were out in these streets just banging whoever, I

624
00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: think that you would have like twelve hundred kids.

625
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah and yeah, and lots of baby daddies, Which is

626
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: that's the bigger problem.

627
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 3: It's not the babies, you know, it's the dads that

628
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: I have to deal with.

629
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:48,680
Speaker 1: That's very intense. I can't imagine having four of them.

630
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: I have one. And I'm like, can how do I

631
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: like give you away, keep the kids, take the dad? Yeah,

632
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: go away please?

633
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: Literally? Literally?

634
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: What is it? Like? I mean, like, are you trying

635
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 1: to date right now?

636
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I don't want to leave my house.

637
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 2: That's the other thing is, I'm such a homebody, but

638
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm like homebody to the extreme. The only times that

639
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: I leave my house is for my kids' sports and

640
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 2: if I'm on a work trip. So you will not

641
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 2: catch me going out in Delaware and like going out

642
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 2: to eat. You'll never see me at a restaurant out

643
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 2: in Delaware.

644
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: You know what, though, I'm the same way, Like every

645
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: time I post on social media, I'm like, why does

646
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: anyone follow me? I don't do anything fucking cool. I'm

647
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 1: always in this always in this house.

648
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: Literally, I don't want I have everything.

649
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: I was just having this conversation yesterday and like, I

650
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 2: have a pool, I have my house, there's door dash.

651
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: I read a lot of books, Like what purpose do

652
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 3: I need to leave this house? Like, I don't want

653
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: to go.

654
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't blame you at all. Are you open to

655
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: dating in the future, No, Cail, I feel like we

656
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: may be the same person.

657
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: I fear we may be the same person.

658
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 1: Like it's actually I'm like, wow, I'm having a conversation

659
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 1: with myself.

660
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,800
Speaker 3: It's it's borderline unhealthy think for.

661
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 1: Me and with the dating for me. I don't know

662
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 1: if you relate to this, but you know, once you

663
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: get to a certain place, like you have the kids, right,

664
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: so you don't need a man to come in any

665
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: longer to give you your kids because you're you're how

666
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: old thirty three? Thirty three? You're a baby, we're babies.

667
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: You've got your kids, You've got your own career, you've

668
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: got your own money. It sounds to me like you've

669
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: got a therapist who can kind of get you on

670
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: point when it comes to your emotions. Yep, you really

671
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: don't need a man to come in and give you

672
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,719
Speaker 1: any of those things.

673
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 3: No, And I think that's what people get really upset about.

674
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 3: I don't.

675
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 2: I'm not a victim of my circumstances when it comes

676
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: to men. I'm not going to stay where it doesn't

677
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: serve me any longer. And it takes a lot to

678
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 2: impress me. I don't care because I have all of

679
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 2: this shit to like, I already do it all myself, right,

680
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: and if I can't do it, I can hire.

681
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: Someone who can.

682
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: So I don't need a man to come forward or

683
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 2: to come into my life and do the things I

684
00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: don't need it.

685
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, That's how I feel. And that's actually what scares

686
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: me as well, because I mean full transparency, and I

687
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: doubt by the time this airs, I will have bumped

688
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: peeps with anybody. I literally have not been intimate with

689
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: a man. And I've said this on every podcast because

690
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm just it's shocking to me no intimacy in over

691
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: two years.

692
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: But you know what, you can do it yourself, That's

693
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.

694
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've got a drawarf full of vibrators. I'm

695
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: like a man. Really, I really don't need it. And

696
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: I worry that I'm gonna be so comfortable in this

697
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: solo dynamic that my kids are gonna be grown and

698
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go, what the fuck my Mom's gonna be

699
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: dead and gone, Oh my god, I can't even think

700
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: about it.

701
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 3: Kil wait. I went to my obi well, I guess

702
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: uy n, and I.

703
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: Was like, Hey, how do I not use vibrators to

704
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: get off because I was like so used to the

705
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 2: vibrators that I couldn't get off any other way. It

706
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: was like what do you what do you mean? And

707
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: I was like I can only do this and he

708
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: was like, all right, we're gonna have to. So we

709
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 2: had to have a whole conversation, come up with a

710
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: game plan, check in so like when you're talking about this,

711
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: like this is real, like we're the same person.

712
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: We are no everything you're saying, I'm like, oh my god.

713
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: Cale and I could literally live in a hole together

714
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: with all.

715
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 2: The kids, and if we didn't talk and we were

716
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: just in each other's company, that's fine too.

717
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: Even better Postmates show That is my vibe with a

718
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: bunch of kids, because all I want to do is

719
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: be surrounded by children and just like chicks chill.

720
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I have eighteen chickens also there. They're a

721
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: lot of fun.

722
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: Well. I saw you do something with Isaac where you

723
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: did the whole egg sing with cage free and like

724
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: store bought.

725
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 2: Oh so we did like our farm fresh eggs from

726
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: our farm, yeah, and then store bought and that was

727
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 2: kind of cool because I'm not really an egg eater.

728
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 2: I just got the chickens for funzies. Yeah, my son

729
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: likes to bake, and so he was like, wait, these

730
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 2: are really different, and so we like did the comparison

731
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,480
Speaker 2: or whatever, and so so now we have eighteen chickens,

732
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 2: four goats, three pigs, and five ducks.

733
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: Damn, how many acres you got up up there in Delaware?

734
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: You no what?

735
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 3: We're only on six right now.

736
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 1: But we're only on six, just a cool six acres.

737
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 3: Well, because you're in LA, right, So what is the

738
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 3: acreage like over there?

739
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: The acreage is no acreage, babe, unless I want to

740
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: be dropping one hundred million dollars for six acres, no joke.

741
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

742
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding you.

743
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 3: I just bought twenty acres.

744
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: Are you under what? I am moving the family to Delaware?

745
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 3: One?

746
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 2: I mean, there's the good thing about Delaware is that

747
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 2: it's two hours from everything Baltimore, Philly, New York, New Jersey.

748
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: So's it's pretty essentrally located. But in Delaware itself, I

749
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't if you're used to living in LA, it's probably

750
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: not for you, I would.

751
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: Guess, Kevin.

752
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: I don't leave. I don't leave the house.

753
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 3: This is true. This is true. So maybe you'd like

754
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: it here there's a beach an hour away.

755
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: See, that is totally my vibe. What's it like for

756
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: your kids going to school in a place like Aware,

757
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 1: where like you're in the public eye. For me, obviously,

758
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 1: my kids, well my oldest is only four, but she

759
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: goes to school with a lot of kids whose parents

760
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: are in the entertainment world, so like it's no big deal, right, yeah,

761
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: for you, I have to imagine that that is very

762
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: strange for most of the kids to be like you're

763
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: on TV.

764
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 3: Well, so my seven year old, he's in second grade.

765
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: He came home and he said, and this kid knew

766
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: what kind of car you drove, and he saw you

767
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 2: on TikTok and he knows about your TikTok.

768
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: And I'm like, this.

769
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 2: Is so weird because I don't think anybody on the

770
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 2: show could have really put themselves in that headspace when

771
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: we signed up to do the show, So I don't

772
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: think any of us were really thinking about the after effects.

773
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 2: For him, I think it's okay because he wants to

774
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 2: be a movie star. He wants to be movies and

775
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: I believe him. But for my oldest, Like, he wants

776
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 2: to do things more his way, and so it's a

777
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: little uncomfortable when people are like teen mom. Now, if

778
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: it was a different show, I think that he would

779
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 2: have a different reaction, but I think there is a

780
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: stigma attached to team Mom.

781
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree with you. I definitely would agree

782
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: with you. So how old seven? The seven year old

783
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: wants to be in movies? Yeah, and I believe them, Like,

784
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: so are we facilitating this? Are we like sending him

785
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: on auditions and things like that?

786
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: Since we live in Delaware, there's not a whole lot

787
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 2: of anything going on. Audition wise, I'd have to be

788
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: in La or in New York, and I just we

789
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 2: don't have the time and resources to do that with

790
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: you know, sports and everything else. So unfortunately, no, But

791
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,280
Speaker 2: I think that he still has prompt a promising future

792
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: in comedy if nothing else.

793
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

794
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a big personality.

795
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: I want to know what it's like for your only

796
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: daughter to be around six boys, because she's only a

797
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: year and a half, right.

798
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, the twins are eighteen months. We'll have to do

799
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 2: another follow up when she's a little older. But she

800
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: truly is so spicy and It's so funny because I

801
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: think that the twins.

802
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 3: Are me and Elijah in Little Children Bodies.

803
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, because Elijah is very like stoic, you don't know

804
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: what he's thinking. He's very chill, calm, that's verse. And

805
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: then Bally is just full of life and very spicy.

806
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 2: She'll let you know what she wants.

807
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: That is adorable. Yeah, and I'm not believe that you

808
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: only have one girl.

809
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: It's crazy. I really thought maybe we would have the

810
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: grand Finale of twin girls. But I'm glad it was

811
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: boy girl twins because then I don't want them to

812
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: compare each other. If it was two girls or two boys,

813
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 2: I didn't want them to like do the comparison game.

814
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: And I know this is crazy to say, but like

815
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: I wish twins on everyone.

816
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: I love. Like, twins are so fun. I love them

817
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: so much, and if I could have another set of twins,

818
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:43,720
Speaker 3: I would.

819
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: That is crazy to me. You were like born to

820
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:46,959
Speaker 1: be a mother.

821
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 2: I must have been because my parents didn't really want me.

822
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 2: And I don't know if it was like Karma's like okay,

823
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: well then you're gonna have a kid that wants a

824
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 2: hundred kids.

825
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 3: And that's exactly what happened.

826
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,240
Speaker 1: So your relationship with them hasn't changed with your parents.

827
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: No, my dad, I met him on TV twenty ten,

828
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: okay or two thousand and nine. That was the first

829
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 2: and last time I had ever met him. And then

830
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 2: my mom I haven't seen in eight years. So I

831
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: don't know where she lives. I don't have her phone number.

832
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 2: She's only met my two oldest. She hasn't met the

833
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: rest of them.

834
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 3: I don't even know if she knows I have twins

835
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 3: or any other kid. Like, I don't know what she knows.

836
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 3: I have no idea.

837
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: I have to imagine she knows about your life. I mean,

838
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: you're very googleable, maybe.

839
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: But like I don't know if she googles me, you know,

840
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 2: like I don't know if that's something that she would do.

841
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then who hey, mom, could you imagine.

842
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: She's like I heard you on wa LA's podcast right?

843
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 1: Oh? No? Before we sign off, I want to know

844
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: the biggest challenge with having seven children.

845
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: I think the biggest challenge is time management because I

846
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 2: do really love to spend one on one time with

847
00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 2: all of the kids in addition to like family, like

848
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 2: all of us together, and I never want anyone to

849
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 2: think that I don't make sure that each of my

850
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 2: kids has that. It is important no matter if you

851
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: have one kid, if you have five kids, if you

852
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: have ten kids, that one on one time, even if

853
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: it's five or ten minutes, like, that's something that we

854
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 2: carve out almost every single day. That is challenging because

855
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 2: I know that these six kids need me right now,

856
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 2: but this individual child needs me for ten minutes undivided.

857
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: So I think that's the hardest part.

858
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 1: Does that make you nervous as they get older that

859
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: you may not see that one of them needs you

860
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 1: and you could drop the ball.

861
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I definitely think about that from time

862
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: to time. But I also think that the same could

863
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: be said for a single mom of.

864
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 1: Two children, absolutely correct.

865
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 2: I think the same could be said of a mom

866
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: of one child who's working. You know, when I had

867
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 2: just had Isaac, I worked three jobs, and you know, well,

868
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 2: including school, it was two jobs plus school, and so

869
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: that could have happened with just one. So I think

870
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: it really depends on the circumstances of each individual family.

871
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 2: But you know, I hope that making sure that I

872
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: carve out that individual time will connect myself with my

873
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 2: each child in a way that they know that, you know,

874
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 2: if they need me and I don't see it right away,

875
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 2: that they can still come to me and say, hey, like,

876
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 2: you know, I need you for X, Y and C,

877
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: or like I need this ten minutes today or you know,

878
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: whatever it is, I want to go do something with you.

879
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

880
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: I hope that that strengthen, strengthens the relationship enough that

881
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 2: they can come to me and tell me.

882
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 3: They need me.

883
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: I think that's amazing, And I have to say I'm

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Speaker 1: in awe of you and everything that you've built off of.

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Speaker 1: You know, was it teen Mom or sixteen and Pregnant

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Speaker 1: that you were on?

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Speaker 2: Oh and did I did sixteen and Pregnant first and

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Speaker 2: then did thirteen years of teen Mom.

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Speaker 1: Well, it is fucking jaw dropping to see what you

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Speaker 1: have done off of that. I'm very inspired. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to have you on the bonus. I have a lot

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Speaker 1: of people who want to know how to parent certain

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Speaker 1: situations or I'm not sparing or I'm not Hey, you

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Speaker 1: know what we can we can give both I did

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Speaker 1: this wrong, never do this. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: making time for to give them Ala Podcall. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you so much, of course, and my love.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to another episode of

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Speaker 1: the Give Them a La Podcast. We will catch you

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Speaker 1: next week.