WEBVTT - Eric Mabius 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.920 Everybody out there, You're not ready for this exceptional human 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:20.439 being that I love and adoor. 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:22.919 We're kind of batting a hundred with these guests. 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:25.840 I mean, but this he's sickening by the way. He 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:27.560 looks the same, just like I do. 0:00:27.640 --> 0:00:28.480 We have an age. 0:00:28.640 --> 0:00:30.200 Yeah, I don't know what's going I don't know what 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.479 kind of big blood y'all been drinking. 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:35.280 I know it's insane, it's crazy, but here he is 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:36.080 the one. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:39.160 The fucking only Eric Baby is. 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:41.519 Let's fucking go my baby. 0:00:43.000 --> 0:00:45.520 Hi. I'm sorry I'm not there sitting on the couch 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.280 with y'all, but this is so much. 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:53.560 Well, yeah, I'm devastating situation. I mean, you know, we've 0:00:53.840 --> 0:00:59.720 we've had quite a few people on. We've had Terry Weinberg, 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:04.000 We've have been Silverman, We've had many Flana Vanessa Williams. 0:01:04.160 --> 0:01:04.679 Goodness. 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:07.160 Yeah, and we are just like we are trying to 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:12.760 truly collect as many ugly Betty alum as possible. And 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.840 before we even start, this is something that we're asking 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.640 every single guest, correct if we were to do a round, 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:21.640 if when when. 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.560 We do our limited series reboot, you're coming back. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.200 Absolutely, You're coming I mean you couldn't kick me away? 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:32.800 Oh my goodness, are you kidding? I know, I think 0:01:32.880 --> 0:01:35.360 we've been talking about this since twenty ten. 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:40.160 Literally literally we have been, and it's so incredible to 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:40.560 have you here. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:45.640 You look so beautiful. What the bug like? What's even happening? 0:01:45.959 --> 0:01:48.160 All right, So let's get into the nitty gritty. We're 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:49.600 talking ugly Betty Eric. 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.680 I have so many like off the grid questions that 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:54.520 I want to talk to, but let's let's get into 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:56.000 the Betty of it all right now. 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.880 So when you first what was your. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.640 So did your agents say, like, here's a part did 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:04.480 they offered to you? 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:05.560 Did you have to audition? 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:05.840 Like? 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.720 What was your first sort of like entrance into Betty. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:17.920 I actually it was two thousand and six. I was 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.240 getting married in New Orleans at our place, yes, and 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:24.320 Jordie said, you're gonna have to not go on your 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:28.600 honeymoon because someone wants to meet with you. So there 0:02:28.720 --> 0:02:32.359 was there was the heroes of it all, the show heroes. 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.600 I don't even know when anyone even remembers that show. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:37.960 I remember, I remember, but I was going to test 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.440 for that the part that ended up going to Milo 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:45.480 and Familiar Health, right and and that was like that 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.200 was happening. And they're like, no, no, no, no, there's 0:02:48.400 --> 0:02:52.200 there's Ben Silverman and Weinberg and Samayak. They're doing the 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:54.640 show and they want to meet with you. I'm like, no, no, no, 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.560 but this is a thing and that was going to 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.120 be the start of whatever process with Ugly Betty. And 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:00.919 they're like no, no, no, they just want to meet with him. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.560 And if the meeting goes, well, that's your part of it. 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.959 What what are you talking about? So I read the 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:11.520 script and I ran over and and Ben was just 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:12.200 so charming. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:15.920 Ben is so charming. I mean, he's such a delight, a. 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:18.639 Water to a drowning and I swear. 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:24.160 It was so you read it, Arry Terry said, Terry said, 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:25.280 is she chopped liver? 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:31.640 No? But you know, when you're in a room Terry 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.800 Terry with Ben, it's true, right. 0:03:36.600 --> 0:03:38.960 We had him sitting on the couch right over. 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:41.320 Here, and he does sort of he does sort of 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:42.000 like take up. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:44.800 You know, I did not have to speak, not not 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:45.360 not a word. 0:03:45.960 --> 0:03:48.560 I just I adore him and I enjoyed that, by 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.560 the way. So yeah, so you just you got so 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.560 you just came into the meeting, did you have to 0:03:53.640 --> 0:03:56.320 read for it or no. You just sort of had 0:03:56.360 --> 0:03:59.400 the meeting and they were like, you're fucking Daniel. 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:02.680 I in, I said, hello, we talked about the thing 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.800 I left, and that was it. 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:07.560 One of my and and and the thing is is 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:14.480 that obviously you had had such a like a. 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:14.960 A big career before Ugly Betty. 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.680 Of course that like that would that would yield that 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.200 you make like that, you made Daniel Mead what he is. 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.640 But I'm uh, we're telling all of our guests this 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.680 as well. I'm watching the show for the first time. 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.600 Mark has never watched the show. Eric, Like, he's never 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:32.160 watched it, so he's. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:36.560 Watch I've seen the pilot and I've seen the finale, 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:37.760 the series finale. 0:04:38.279 --> 0:04:40.640 So probably because you weren't there for a lot of 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.360 the screens on Thursday afternoons, right because paws and things 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:44.480 like that. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.560 Yeah, I had to go to school and then and 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:48.159 then yeah. 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:50.919 Yeah, But also he just sort of grew up, and 0:04:51.000 --> 0:04:54.000 I think you had your own sort of relationship with 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.080 with the show as it were, like you went through 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:59.080 a whole sort of you know, chase this moment with it. 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.000 But you know, he's never watched it, so he's watching 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:03.279 you for the first time. 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.120 But I'm finding that, like, you know, it's it's it's 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:11.880 very interesting to consider the you know, because we're all 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:14.680 so close and such like you know, like have have 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.360 remained such good friends even if we don't see each 0:05:17.360 --> 0:05:21.320 other or whatever. To see these characters and to be 0:05:21.360 --> 0:05:24.320 completely honest with you, I and I felt this way 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:30.280 about watching it, uh with Becky Newton, like playing Amanda 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:36.040 and the characters of Daniel and Amanda. I was just like, yeah, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.480 I don't even fucking like them right now, like not 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:44.680 them so but then but then they get you know, 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:51.000 like like we have these these really incredible soft moments 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:53.960 with Daniel, and I just I just want to say, 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:56.320 I just want to give you your flowers for it, babe. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.240 Like that that makes me You really. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.800 Towed the line in such an incredible and like that 0:06:01.200 --> 0:06:04.520 you know, he could be this kind of himbo this 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:08.920 and that, but also with just a genuine heart of gold. 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.400 And I just think that you told that line so 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:12.120 so brilliantly. 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:14.600 We've talked about it a lot on the pod, how 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.599 much you have this incredible ability all the actors really, 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:21.960 because I think on this show it's so easy for 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:26.360 these characters to be sort of these flat archetypes, and 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:31.560 you really brought such heart to Daniel, even in the 0:06:32.400 --> 0:06:35.600 pilot episode. I mean it started from day dot. So, like, 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:36.280 what was that. 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:37.599 Like for you as an actor? 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:40.960 Because you know he was such a sort of you know, 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:45.760 a bro character, a NEPO baby bro character. But there's 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.760 something about you, Eric that had you There was such 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.880 a vulnerability and such a beauty that you brought to it. 0:06:51.960 --> 0:06:54.440 What was that like sort of portraying it? 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:59.200 Well? I think, uh, like you, Mark, I haven't seen 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:01.359 a lot of the episode. What I had seen are 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:03.520 the ones that we would see during lunch is usually 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:05.640 on Thursdays. I was I would look forward to that 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:09.840 because we were so busy shooting. Yeah, but I do 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.840 cringe when I watch, especially the pilot in the earlier episodes. 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.200 Why why so nice? 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:18.600 What you're saying that the arc like we have to 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:24.240 start somewhere, go somewhere with Daniel, And that was one 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:26.840 of the takeaways that it was. There was no it 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:28.920 couldn't have been done any other way than the way 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:34.840 they wrote the episodes. But yeah, I agree, he's he's 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:39.680 uh angless entirely unlikable, but how much more fun for 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:41.880 us to end up where we do. And the other 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.960 The other thing I noticed in rewatching some of the episodes, 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.240 the most fun I had was when Daniel would come 0:07:48.240 --> 0:07:49.200 and visit the Squires. 0:07:49.320 --> 0:07:55.160 Oh my god, he had no like real stable family 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:55.720 of his own. 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:58.840 There was like he was surfing, you know, pretending what 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:01.480 it would be like to have a whole family, and 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.640 that would start. Watching those makes me very tearful because 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.640 there's like a whole ness that Daniel gets, even if 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:10.160 only briefly, he gets to sort of, you know, try 0:08:10.200 --> 0:08:11.440 out for a while when niece. 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:13.120 That's so true. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.880 And also we were very close. I mean you were 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.560 super close with my husband. You still are. You guys 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:22.200 are like total buds, and we got very close during 0:08:22.240 --> 0:08:25.239 that whole thing. So and you know, you got married, 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:30.000 you had your first baby during the show. I got married. 0:08:30.120 --> 0:08:32.720 I had my first baby during the show. You guys 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.400 did it first, though, so we still we. 0:08:35.400 --> 0:08:37.640 Moved to New York and then I had second baby. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:42.480 That's right, and we really sort of leaned on you 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:43.440 a lot. 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:46.600 And that during that time I think sort of you're. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.720 Like, hey, I was supposed to do this, I really 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:49.200 do now. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:53.920 Oh really, honestly, did you guys like live like down 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:54.800 the street from each other. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:59.520 Yes, And it was amazing because when Anna was working, 0:09:00.520 --> 0:09:04.680 I was not generally speaking in Vike sparsa like it. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:08.320 Was that's right. It actually was a perfect storm as 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:09.440 as as it were. 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.720 I mean, but you guys lived in this in this 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.600 beautiful place, and you had your you know, you had 0:09:14.600 --> 0:09:17.280 the babies I have still, you know what, I would 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.720 love to sort of maybe if we could put that 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:23.560 on some sort of thing of like our our little 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.400 babies playing together is so ridiculous and crazy and fun. 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.720 But we all went through all of this together like 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:34.600 it was such an incredible experience. And I remember just 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:39.000 sort of leaning on you guys a lot, yeah, sort 0:09:39.040 --> 0:09:41.560 of like, ah, how am I supposed to negotiat being 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:43.360 a parent and working on this? 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:48.720 And we had we had Max right before shooting the show, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.360 like we were like we were in Saint John's in 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:59.120 Santa Monica, and and I remember Richard and Jim being like, 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:02.720 so when do you think you can come to work now? 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.320 And we're excited that you have a son now. But 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:06.400 I was like, what do I do? 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:07.559 Are you serious? 0:10:07.600 --> 0:10:10.079 Because I was two weeks out of having follow me 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:10.679 and they were like. 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.600 So your call time's four am. And I was like, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:16.160 I had a baby two weeks ago, you. 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:18.920 Motherfuckers well, and you looked better than ever. Stop. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.360 I definitely gonna have to pad my. I didn't need 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:23.479 no chicken cutlors. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.280 And we're but we're I mean this this season of 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:30.880 this pod is talking about season one, but I just I, 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.960 you know, since we have Eric, I wanted to just 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:38.640 talk about season two when when Daniel and Justin have 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:42.600 like this this kind of like this this bonding moment 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:46.160 and I just remember being in downtown LA on a 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:47.280 basketball court. 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:48.880 Do you remember? 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.080 And it's just. 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:56.439 It's just I've not seen the episode itself, but upon 0:10:56.720 --> 0:11:00.280 watching the show, I'm just having all accessing all of 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.280 these memories. And like when I was thinking about having you, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.160 know that we were going to have you on the pod, 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:08.720 I was just kind of like, what are my like 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:14.160 core memories of Eric, like working with with you, and 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:17.120 and that was the thing that just kind of literally 0:11:17.520 --> 0:11:19.880 like came out of my mind, like where I was 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:24.280 just like, oh, right, when when we were forced to 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:26.000 play basketball. 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:28.800 On some rooftop. 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:33.880 There's nothing linear about my memories from the show. I 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.520 sort of like La and New York. But I felt 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:40.560 like it was just one. Yeah, so because we were shooting, 0:11:40.760 --> 0:11:43.480 we were finishing one, starting another, going back to do 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:44.600 reshoots from a third. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.760 So it was all, yeah, this was in the day. 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:50.480 This is in the day when we're shooting twenty four episodes. Yeah, 0:11:50.520 --> 0:11:53.920 we were working on film, on film, God bless it 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:55.439 rip on film. 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.480 We're working. We're shooting twenty four. 0:11:57.520 --> 0:12:01.079 So we had like two months off actually because we're 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:03.079 you know, it was a regular job. 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:06.319 It was so fabulous bring those back, bring back. 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.080 But what I really but but in terms of who 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:15.480 you're working with, I want to know about what that 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:19.439 episode in season one when we are introduced. 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:20.560 To Judith was when we first met. 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.520 In in like the Sober House. 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:27.000 You and Judith had such an amazing dynamic. 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:31.840 It's honestly, I laughed and I almost kind of cried. 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:34.760 It was like I was, I don't know, I felt, 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:36.920 I felt a lot of emotions. 0:12:36.960 --> 0:12:40.360 I don't know why. But that was even before that happened. 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:41.880 I knew that was going to happen. There was something 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.640 about there was something about Judith and the way I 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.800 sort of I don't know how I regarded her, but 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:52.920 obviously she felt already like my mother. Yeah, from the 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:55.079 I don't know why that was. 0:12:55.360 --> 0:12:55.959 I get it. 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.160 I do know why. It is because of Judith's presence 0:12:59.200 --> 0:12:59.440 a lot. 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:03.679 It is his mother, that is jud his mother. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:06.400 But it was like when I showed up to say 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.079 O Tours, like we had a lifetime of memories already. 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:11.800 I don't know, it was sort of uncanny. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:16.840 Yeah, it's really magical watching you guys, because it's so 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:19.680 funny and it's also so heartbreaking. 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:21.800 Yeah, it's literally. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.160 The same moment. I wonder if you felt that when 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:26.200 you were doing the scene. 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:31.080 Absolutely, especially because again talking about taking character from here 0:13:31.200 --> 0:13:35.280 to there, as you know, getting her at her very bottom, 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:40.240 it was sort of you, no, not dissimilar from from Daniel, 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.319 but for different reasons. You see that the testaments of 0:13:43.360 --> 0:13:47.840 the writing, you know, those the generations repeating themselves like 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:50.520 that and then both being sort of dragged down in 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:52.720 this rabbit hole and both of them trying to claw 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.640 them their way out and sort of mend what was 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:01.440 so broken. I think that was. But man, that j came, 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.640 I mean, Judith came to fight and play. 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.320 Every day day to fight and play. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.200 I love this the comedy through tragedy, though, is something 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:13.640 that I'm really responding to. I think, like with the 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.559 Claire and Daniel dynamic, is that like, especially in that 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:20.160 episode in particular, of just. 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:20.680 Being like. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:26.120 It's like it's it's it's really sad, but I'm laughing 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:27.840 exactly do you know what I mean? 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:29.680 And and am I should I be? 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:34.120 You know like that, It's it's a very ambivalent feeling, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.840 but in a good way as a viewer. 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:36.320 I think. 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.360 I think that's the thing that shows don't get tonally. 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:43.360 It's so easy for them to slide into Maudlin right 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.000 as opposed what all of our writers did, which is 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.760 you know, which felt realistic, if those felt like even 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.320 though it was stylized, some of the you know, Victor's 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.840 incredible shots and STYLI yeah, like this is it felt 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.720 true to life? Like one second you are like you're 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:06.040 warning a laugh and then cry and feeling so pulled 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.840 into the sort of spheres of these their lives. 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:12.520 But I don't think you give yourself enough credit. This 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:16.120 is what I'm hearing from you right now, Eric, because 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:19.320 I'm saying from day dot from You're saying, well, you know, 0:15:19.360 --> 0:15:24.080 the pilot whatever from the episode one like episode one, Eric, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:30.240 I saw Daniel's vulnerability, vulnerability, Like I saw Daniels sort 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:34.920 of fight, you know, his like fight to sort of 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.960 be his own man, to sort of recognize that this 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:42.240 young girl was something special to Like, I saw so 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:44.000 much depth in Daniel. 0:15:44.360 --> 0:15:45.280 It was in the writing. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.720 But I think also you bring something to it that 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.440 like is really just uniquely you. 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:57.040 I'm accepting your comments and compliment, but I'm also trying 0:15:57.080 --> 0:16:01.440 to draw in to this that every single one of us, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:05.760 that thing that you're talking about was an electric being. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:09.560 Everything one of us had that once you set us 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.080 an emotion, right, you never knew what you were going 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.760 to get, but you knew it was going to be amazing. 0:16:13.800 --> 0:16:18.000 So again we're written that way. But when I would 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.480 go and what I had to do, what Daniel had 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.560 to do to Betty in that first episode would break 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:27.920 anyone's part, right, anyone So, and the way which she 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.400 responded and reacted to the way you know in those moments, 0:16:31.440 --> 0:16:33.520 it would it would break my heart, you know, every 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.040 time we'd have those. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:53.800 Things, I'm curious about, you know, if we're talking about 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:58.240 this kind of ground bag breaking representation and like, you know, 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:00.720 the things that we were able to do culturally at 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:05.919 a time that maybe right now, at this juncture, like historically, 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.679 like you know, people have copied us a lot, you know, 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:14.840 or or taken what we did and expanded upon it. 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:18.840 But at the time it was very very it was 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:22.480 it was different. And so I just I suppose that 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:26.679 I'm just curious about what did it mean to you, like, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.680 as a straight white man, right to be a part 0:17:30.720 --> 0:17:33.960 of a show that was talking about. 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:40.960 Latin culture, queer culture, you know, immigration, like we we 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:44.840 touched on so much, yes, you know, so many sort 0:17:44.880 --> 0:17:48.640 of now I guess now would be considered more controversial 0:17:48.680 --> 0:17:49.600 though than it was then. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:50.480 Perhaps. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:53.879 I mean, I don't know, did you know that that 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:56.800 was something that you were getting involved to know or 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.080 did it or did it happen later in hindsight for you? 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.080 No, I mean I knew that where I grew up 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:07.280 in western Massachusetts, that's that's the environment which I grew 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:12.760 up right in Amberst, Massachusetts. That that is the norm. 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:14.240 Right by the. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:20.120 Way, he was born in Philly Harrisburg. All right, we're 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:22.560 still claiming, We're still claiming you. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.440 And then went to Sarah Lawrence, a school with three 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.000 times many women and a very sort of out and 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:32.680 proud community. And I was part of the beginning of 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:37.040 the L word, which was also so I the environment 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:43.399 was certainly comfortable in nothing foreign to me, and I 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:47.080 could tell that in the creation of the show they 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:51.040 were leaving themselves so many directions to go in and 0:18:51.440 --> 0:18:56.399 universes to explore. So I really was in playing that character, 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.320 I felt like I wanted to make sure to it 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:03.560 just a little bit, so it wasn't how it might, 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.800 you know, traditionally be played to treating everyone, including my 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:14.240 brother who became my sister, you know, treating everyone as 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:16.840 a human being as we do in our lives, hopefully 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:17.200 as we. 0:19:17.160 --> 0:19:22.040 Do get that Eric maybe is it's yeah, I mean 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:25.080 just just because watching it, you know again for the 0:19:25.080 --> 0:19:28.880 first time, it's it's just kind of I'm almost incredulous 0:19:29.000 --> 0:19:33.800 watching it when we're talking about the things that we're 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.560 talking about on the show. Yeah, you know this many years, 0:19:36.560 --> 0:19:40.280 i mean almost twenty years later, that we're still having 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:45.159 these conversations as a nation, right, Like, let's just you know, 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:49.840 make it make it about that that. I just I 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.159 think that you just did such an incredible job of 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:56.800 towing the line of like straight like right right right by, 0:19:57.280 --> 0:20:01.560 straight by just somehow is like just just once. 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.159 I don't know, like we need. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.880 More of the Daniel means because you were so sort 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.840 of accepting and you did come down to you came 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:14.720 to our house all to your point like you would 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:17.919 come to the Suarez house. You were sort of so 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:22.720 open to that side of life and even the I 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.320 mean granted you were you know, Daniel was in this 0:20:25.400 --> 0:20:29.280 sort of fashion world of it all, but still so 0:20:29.280 --> 0:20:31.960 so speaking of like, what was it like working with 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.119 you know, Vanessa, what was it like working with America? Like, 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:42.080 because you guys had a very very close well, you 0:20:42.240 --> 0:20:44.480 just had like I don't know, you had a very 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:48.959 strong chemistry on screen that was just palpable. So I wonder, 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:50.640 you know, like how that sort of. 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.919 Because I feel like I'm sure we all did, but 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.760 I felt like I developed a close relationship with everyone 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:02.639 that was different, like you know, you and Noah and 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.960 you and getting to know Mark through with your parents 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:09.439 around like you know, and seeing I was sort of 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:12.000 envious of you guys because you had your family unit 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.840 and do your things and I was off doing my 0:21:14.960 --> 0:21:16.879 stuff and I would be like, oh, we'd be passing 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:19.679 one another, so we chance to do scenes together was 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.000 it was just so exciting to me. And we won't 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.480 talk about the pilot, but having Vanessa be a part. 0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.960 Of Oh no, we know. We went ahead and talked 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:30.320 about the. 0:21:30.720 --> 0:21:35.719 So you hear Richard Shepherd's I'm going to get sore. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.560 We haven't named her lastly come home. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:43.440 You know you're going to have to hear it. And 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.480 then you don't. He called her dog, go go, go, 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:47.800 say what you're going to say? 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:54.119