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Speaker 1: Every day clicks.

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Speaker 2: Up the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 3: You're finish for y'all done?

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Speaker 4: Good morning, everybody's DJ Envy Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne the God.

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Speaker 4: We are the Breakfast Club. Lawla Roses here as well.

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Speaker 4: We got a special guest.

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Speaker 1: In the bounty.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, Chris Gotty, Man, you're doing everything.

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Speaker 3: Man, I'm blessed, you know, just taking it one day

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Speaker 3: at a time from everything, you know. But everything's going great. Uh,

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Speaker 3: got a lot of positive stuff happening, and that's why

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Speaker 3: I'm here.

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Speaker 5: You don't mind.

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Speaker 4: I want to go back a little bit for people

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Speaker 4: that you don't know who Chris Gotty is. Of course

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Speaker 4: IRV Gotty's brother, every Goty's big brother. Yes for Queens

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Speaker 4: New York kilas have you guys been in the industry

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Speaker 4: for a while, and you guys, both.

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Speaker 5: Of y'all founded murder Inc.

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Speaker 4: YEA, most people only hear IRV one thing about murder Ink,

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Speaker 4: but you were kind of the silent guy behind everything.

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Speaker 4: So so talk about how murder ink or the ink

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Speaker 4: was founded.

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Speaker 3: It's murdered Ink. We hated that we had to change

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Speaker 3: that name. That was a rough Simmons and Leo that

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Speaker 3: and it came to us and being chavised and said

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Speaker 3: put Murder to bed because we was down with the

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Speaker 3: Feds and everything. So Murder Inc. Was founded because IRV

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Speaker 3: wanted to be the biggest producer in the world. I

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Speaker 3: helped make him that, finding producers and we built out

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Speaker 3: his production company called Top Dog Productions, and we just

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Speaker 3: started making hit after hit after hit for multiple artists.

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Speaker 3: IRV didn't say I'm gonna start Murder Inc. See this

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Speaker 3: is the misconception of most people don't realize that. They

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Speaker 3: thought Earth came up, were like, I'm gonna start a

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Speaker 3: record label. He didn't start a label. He just wanted

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Speaker 3: to be the biggest producer in the game. And that's

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Speaker 3: what happened. And because that happened, Tom Matola, Dave nk

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Speaker 3: Fist and over his Sony said we want to give

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Speaker 3: you a record deal. They told us they wanted to

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Speaker 3: buy four beats. At the time were selling beats for

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty thousand tracks. But that's a million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, let's go get that. We met up at

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Speaker 3: Justice the restaurant, you know, did he you know? And

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Speaker 3: we go to go to Justin's and meet Dave mc

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Speaker 3: fiston and we talk and he's like, you know, Tommy

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Speaker 3: wants to give you a deal, not he don't want

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Speaker 3: to buy beats. And to our surprise, he pulls a

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Speaker 3: contract out and look at it, or if you looked

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Speaker 3: at it and you threw it right back at him,

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Speaker 3: so you serious sent it to our lawyer. So that's

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Speaker 3: really the bird for Murder Inc. And then we didn't

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Speaker 3: have a name. We just came up with a bunch

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Speaker 3: of things. Uh, DJ clues doing the mixtape, job's doing

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Speaker 3: the feature, and inside of that feature, we had a

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Speaker 3: bunch of names we had thought of, like Lockdown Records.

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Speaker 3: He says it in the in the his verses on

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Speaker 3: the features on the mixtape, and that's kind of where

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Speaker 3: we was at. And then ARV was watching Arts and

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Speaker 3: Entertainment one day gangst the Week and he sees Murder Inc.

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Speaker 3: On the screen and it's the Notorious Murder Inc. Which

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Speaker 3: was the Italian guys that was actually making hits.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was doing hits on people in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Luckily Ciano outfred Anastasia and those guys. And

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Speaker 3: the narrator of that show was like the Notorious murder

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Speaker 3: Rank and they made hits. I went crazy. He went crazy.

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Speaker 3: He called everybody. I got the name. But that's why

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Speaker 3: if when you ask that question, how to just start

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Speaker 3: and if the co founders, that's the co founder. I

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Speaker 3: helped make all of the music with them, with all

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Speaker 3: of the producers, and I just took care of the

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Speaker 3: business and I took care of my little brother, and

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Speaker 3: Joe was always the first artist. Another misconception. Joe was

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Speaker 3: already signed a Murder Death Jam. So his first album

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Speaker 3: Vineveda Vicci it's on Death Jam. We just get the deal,

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Speaker 3: but he already signed his deal. Oh wow, Yeah, people

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Speaker 3: don't know that. So we had to go basically back

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Speaker 3: to Le York and say that's our artists, and then

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Speaker 3: we had to pay for it to get him back

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Speaker 3: to Murder Inc. To pay a couple of million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Damn okay. That was after the first album, after.

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Speaker 3: And then they took some extra points on his next two,

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Speaker 3: but a couple million dollars. Look, we had to pay

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Speaker 3: for a shanty. She was signed the AJ Records, which

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Speaker 3: is a shout out Mario Bay. Mary was like an

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Speaker 3: there with him and IRV didn't really think about doing anything.

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Speaker 3: Would hit me with the tunnel vision like stay focused, Yo,

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Speaker 3: we get money with John Rohad, I'm like, yo, she

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Speaker 3: could write she's dope and we'll break that broke that

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Speaker 3: ice was fat Joe. He called me up because he's

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Speaker 3: doing a big pun album and he says, I need

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Speaker 3: that pun. I need an artist to an R and

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Speaker 3: B artist on the hook. I said I got one.

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Speaker 2: He said you do.

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Speaker 3: I was like yeah. I called her up. She drove

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Speaker 3: I said, I tell her and he told IRV and

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Speaker 3: said what artists? And then he called me up right

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Speaker 3: after what at she talking about? Like my R and

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Speaker 3: B artist? And it was a shanty. He's like what artists?

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Speaker 3: And IRV called me right after that. I said, bring

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Speaker 3: it to bring it back up. I would bring it

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Speaker 3: to the office and Earth we wouldn't even want to

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Speaker 3: talk to Like he's so focused. IRV is turnal focused,

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Speaker 3: like when he's locked in you. He's no, I don't

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Speaker 3: see no one like this. Dude man, and he would

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Speaker 3: force him to just say hi and lie to them like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I listened to your music. Yeah yeah, I'll get back

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Speaker 3: to you. So he would walk in and say what's

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Speaker 3: up and right back in his office and they be

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Speaker 3: like did he like my music? Say?

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, he loved it.

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Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And that's really how we

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Speaker 3: got a shanty. But Joe the cosign like when like

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Speaker 3: Irv is an artist, it's very difficult to make artists

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Speaker 3: listen to you if they don't. Irv is my little brother.

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Speaker 3: I raised him. He listened to me up to a

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Speaker 3: certain point. After that point, I had to get someone

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Speaker 3: else to so I would send messages through all types

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Speaker 3: of people to tell him do something, to get it done.

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Speaker 3: And that's what Joe did for me.

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Speaker 6: How do you balance family and business in moments like

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Speaker 6: that though, like you said, especially when y'all got disagreement,

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Speaker 6: so when he don't want to listen to you no more.

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Speaker 3: I never had a disagreement with my brother. I never

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Speaker 3: put my hands on my little brother. You know, big

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Speaker 3: brothers they always talk about that. It was different. I

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Speaker 3: always seen something in Erv from little he was just

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Speaker 3: different in a different way. And again, when you talk music,

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Speaker 3: it's like IRV did anything I did. That's when he

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Speaker 3: was doing because I didn't want him to do it.

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Speaker 3: But the reality is Earth was playing basketball. I used

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Speaker 3: to play basketball. Then Earth started really playing basketball and it

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Speaker 3: was really good, and he had dreams of going somewhere.

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Speaker 3: For a split second, BJ Carter from Hill Chris High

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Speaker 3: School was so fast Earth's quit after that, he was like,

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Speaker 3: if I can't keep up with him, my kid, That's

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Speaker 3: what kind of ruined his hope dream. But I was DJing,

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Speaker 3: and people don't know that I started dj because I

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Speaker 3: had got some equipment. I won't say how I got it,

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Speaker 3: but I got some equipment and next thing you know,

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Speaker 3: Earth started DJing and but he got really good and

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Speaker 3: that's what started the music. And then I was managing

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Speaker 3: him in a group called with a DF Crew, which

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Speaker 3: was Romeo and Roselle. Shut out Roselle, you know what

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Speaker 3: I'm saying. The godfather of noise, he's a beat box. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he was the route. So we had him early days.

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Speaker 3: He was from Hollys one hundred ninety nine in Hollis,

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Speaker 3: So he was right there. I did not know that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I thought Rose was from Philly.

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Speaker 4: With I do want to ask you talk about he

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Speaker 4: doesn't listen. When he got to his later life, they

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Speaker 4: said he was having health problems. Yeah, they said nobody

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Speaker 3: To Earth about talking to him constantly.

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Speaker 4: They said he wouldn't change his diet, he wouldn't change

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Speaker 4: his thing, and they said nobody could get through to him.

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Speaker 5: Why do you think that that was for Earth?

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Speaker 3: Partially because my pops was hard headed. He got it

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Speaker 3: for my dad. So same exact thing, going through diabetes,

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Speaker 3: health problems, and my dad was like, you can't tell

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Speaker 3: me God didn't make this orange and I can't eat it.

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Speaker 3: You can't you know, this was really our problem. And

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Speaker 3: then it's the ignorance of just health. And was the same.

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Speaker 3: He would be like, there's no way you could tell

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Speaker 3: me I can't eat this food it's good, and he

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Speaker 3: And it was just hard headed. Now, when he had

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Speaker 3: his first stroke, he had two strokes. The first stroke

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Speaker 3: basically he was man. I didn't think he was gonna

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Speaker 3: be here for after that one he was. I went

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Speaker 3: to the hospital as soon as I heard, I flew

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Speaker 3: right to l a shout out. Bj BJ found him, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, bjus picked him up, got him to the hospital.

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Speaker 3: When he came around, he was like, I don't want

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take my mads now. Again, it's probably just

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Speaker 3: how we are, believe it, very hard headed. I got

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Speaker 3: a little bit of that too, so I'm not acting

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Speaker 3: like I don't and BJS no, he said, so stand

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Speaker 3: and see, I know you're going to the hospital. Took

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Speaker 3: him to the hospital and I didn't know he's going

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Speaker 3: to get past that one. He flew out there and

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Speaker 3: he was there for I was there for a month

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Speaker 3: and a half in the hospital, staying with him when

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Speaker 3: he took about two weeks before he actually came back

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Speaker 3: and was conscious. But those first two weeks, I didn't

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Speaker 3: think it was gonna make it. And I always credit

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Speaker 3: I said, BJ gave us another year basically before the

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Speaker 3: next one.

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Speaker 1: You know, so somebody told me, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: Somebody told me that was a sense of acceptance that

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Speaker 6: he had, and he would say he would say things

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Speaker 6: like I'm going I'm going to see popping.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a poppy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he wrote. If you've seen his gram he

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Speaker 3: and I would always when I seen it, I would

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Speaker 3: call him like, you stop talking like that. I don't

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Speaker 3: believe in calling on for death like that unless you

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Speaker 3: really have a death wish. And I was like, you know,

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Speaker 3: stop talking, You'll see him when it's your time. And

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Speaker 3: you know, IRV was very you know, sess. I pretty

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Speaker 3: much see this in every successful person that very particular

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Speaker 3: how they take information from people, which one or who

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Speaker 3: you know, and IRV is no difference. It's no exception

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Speaker 3: to the rule. He's right there, you know. So say,

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Speaker 3: with success and money and your damn it, probably feel invincible.

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Speaker 3: I used to say, IRV used to feel like he's God.

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Speaker 3: Probably at one point when we was at the height

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Speaker 6: for a second. Yeah, what do you think the culture

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Speaker 3: The culture in that era again when I I love

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Speaker 3: They're not waiting on you. Today where they would wait

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Speaker 3: The biggest mistake for labels is not investing artists. We

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Speaker 6: The artists don't even like the market. They don't even

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Speaker 4: I always want to know how did you navigate with

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Speaker 3: to his credit, again, I'm not knocking Stout. This dude

430
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 3: is brilling in the book of Hip Hop. He has

431
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: to be one of the most iconic people in that book.

432
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, shout out Steve again. The

433
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 3: end of the day, he's seen the future. What's the future?

434
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 3: Come on, murder ring, we're murdering. What's the future? Fifty cent?

435
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 3: He's saying it. He knew it, he knew it. Joe

436
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,600
Speaker 3: had a sneaker deal with not with Steve Reebok. We're

437
00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 3: on a private plane flying the designing everything in the

438
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: in the you know, in the plane and then he's

439
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 3: seen the future and pulled everything and switch it. Now

440
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: Ge only got his sneaker deal. Jay z got his

441
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 3: sneaker deal. You understand what reebok And again he knew

442
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 3: he he seen something and understood and made the pivot.

443
00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 3: As a businessman, I respected of Why was Jay as

444
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 3: a friend, It's a little questionable.

445
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 6: That's what I'm saying. Why was Jay upset with herv

446
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,200
Speaker 6: but not Steve? And Steve presented the deal.

447
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 3: Well, Steve was also remembering Steve was also part of

448
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,479
Speaker 3: a lot of it. That's why Damon always has obief

449
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 3: with Steve's because of that. Steve was funneling a lot

450
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 3: of deals with Jay and then seeing Jay again pulled

451
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,879
Speaker 3: that way instead of going through Dame and dealing with

452
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 3: the you know that side of it. I understand that.

453
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:59,920
Speaker 3: I understand why he's upset about that. As a you

454
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 3: know iv I used Phil. I'm gonna use Phil Ivy

455
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 3: for this story because Phil had a deal. I brought

456
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 3: him this lawyer. I won't say his name, but I

457
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,080
Speaker 3: brought him a lawyer. He didn't know who Phil was,

458
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 3: and I brought him lawyer. They ended up doing some

459
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 3: business and the lawyer didn't tell me, and I didn't

460
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: get mad at the lawyer. I got mad at Phil said,

461
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:25,399
Speaker 3: you can't do something and then expect me to not.

462
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,400
Speaker 3: You didn't let me know about it. That's on you, bro,

463
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 3: That's not on me. And that's the same way I

464
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: look at with Jay and Steve that you know what

465
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 3: I'm saying, If he don't go back to Dame, if

466
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 3: he doesn't go back to Dame and say something, I

467
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 3: feel you had to come and talk to me. I'm

468
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 3: here to protect you. That's how Dame felt, and I

469
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 3: get it like as a partner, as a day would

470
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,719
Speaker 3: have took a bullet for Jay. You're kidding me in

471
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,240
Speaker 3: that day that you're kidding me. It's not even close.

472
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 3: That's what makes me mad with that situation. I'm gonna say,

473
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 3: do you feel like I spoke to Jay about that before?

474
00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 3: One time? I told him and I just left it

475
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 3: alone after that.

476
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 4: How do you feel it when you see it play out?

477
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 4: Because you see how close they were, You were on tours,

478
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 4: you were in studio.

479
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: There's a lot of stuff that's personal again inside of

480
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 3: a family that we wouldn't know that I don't know,

481
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 3: you know, that's I'll leave it there, and then you

482
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 3: gotta let families be what they are because of what

483
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 3: it is. I respect both of them to the highest level.

484
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: You know. At the end of the day, I leave

485
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: it alone.

486
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: And didn't Jay get back? Didn't Uh?

487
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:27,160
Speaker 3: I think?

488
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 6: I think I heard you tell a story about how

489
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 6: when jus same line again.

490
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, the same line, because it was like

491
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: when when Jay told him that it wasn't really more.

492
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 3: It wasn't like physical beef. It was more lyrical. And

493
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 3: IRV went crazy like I told you and any but

494
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 3: Jay's looking at him like you more, man, you can't

495
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: be like serious, like, but left it alone. Chest he's

496
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 3: playing chess. And then right after that, Jay went and

497
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 3: did a tour with fifty cent. They got the g

498
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 3: unit sneaker. He has his remember he had his like Gucci, Yes,

499
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: that's cauc and they went out on the tour and

500
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 3: then IRV RV sat there and he's like, yeah, I

501
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 3: just went out and he said, yeah, it was good

502
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 3: business because IRV told Jay it would be good business

503
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 3: to do this. It is gonna be good business. I

504
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 3: had not but when he's not realizing and IRV knew

505
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 3: it after the fact, you know, hindsight is twenty twenty.

506
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 3: He realized that was one of his biggest mistakes, which

507
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 3: it took a lot to fix.

508
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 5: That, but they finally did fix it.

509
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we had multiple conversations, but you know it

510
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,439
Speaker 3: wasn't never the same, right, it was never the same, Like,

511
00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: what's that record? And Jay says, got to consult Earth,

512
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 3: got of y'all heads.

513
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 5: Got to roll, right, That's a fact.

514
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:44,160
Speaker 3: Jay took that off every forward record. Think about how

515
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: serious that is that he said, no, I don't want

516
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: to hear that no more. You can't get that unless

517
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,360
Speaker 3: you have the old original. It's bleeded out. It's bleeded out.

518
00:25:54,440 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 3: I don't know that it's called remastering Baby's yeah on,

519
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 3: that does not exist. Go get that. Go get that

520
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 3: reckon and see if you could hear it. Go to

521
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 3: Apple Music and see if you hear it. I'm bad

522
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 3: with titles as much as I I'm terrible with titles

523
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 3: and names and stuff. I don't remember the title of

524
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 3: records on the streets is watching, but it's.

525
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 5: Us the customer.

526
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,400
Speaker 3: Jay used to sit in my office literally to wait

527
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: to talk to Earth. That's how deep that was. You know,

528
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:32,639
Speaker 3: again again he's at the heights of unbelievable heights. People

529
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 3: may not like to hear that, but if it's true,

530
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 3: it's true. You know what I'm saying. And it's not

531
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 3: one time, it's multiple times. Yo, it's Earth coming. I

532
00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: was like, Yo, you understand my office, go ahead, I

533
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 3: locked the door whatever. He's like, no, it's all good.

534
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 3: He just sit there and just be waiting and Earth

535
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: when he come in, they go in there. But Earth

536
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: would help him with all types of business. I did

537
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 3: thoughts every he respected HER's brain. I'll leave it there now.

538
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 3: The fat Jo't thing you can never I'm sorry. The

539
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: fat Joe thing ya could because fat Joe and Earth

540
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 3: was like, we fixed that. Y'all fixed that with Joe

541
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 3: and Earth again, never the same. He was at my

542
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 3: man Jaw's funeral, and you know, I told Joe again,

543
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 3: I'm my brother's keeper. I told Joe, you messed up,

544
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: Broy and I went at Joe and told him, and

545
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 3: he's like he understood. We was at say Let's actually,

546
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 3: and uh, I was having a meeting with my niece

547
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: and saint from in this coat records, and I didn't

548
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,919
Speaker 3: want to go and deal with this right now. And

549
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 3: my other dude, Big Joe kept coming said, yo, fat

550
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 3: Joe's over come on, come on. I said, I don't

551
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 3: want to talk right now. He forced me to talk,

552
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 3: so I said, all right, let me go tell it.

553
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: And when I went back there, he's with Rich. Of course,

554
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: I got Rich and Joe and and Uncle Dan, the

555
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 3: usual suspects. And I told him, I said, you can't

556
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 3: shout out my brother is a sucker and then whisper,

557
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, that's a sucker move. And I told him

558
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 3: that that's a suckle play. You can't do that, especially

559
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 3: if we're like this. You can't yell it at the

560
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: top of the mountain and then come down here and

561
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 3: say I'm sorry.

562
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 2: I shouldn't have did that.

563
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: You know. I asked them all kind of crazy questions

564
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 3: because that's just me. It's like, was you messing with Ashanti?

565
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,840
Speaker 3: Is that your girl? You found her because of us?

566
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 3: What are you doing interfering they had a relationship? What

567
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: are you doing? Like I said, and listen, I promise

568
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: you go listen to anything. And all Earth did was

569
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: yell how much he loved her, and the way he's

570
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 3: talking about everything you could tell as a man, he

571
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 3: loved that woman. He was heartbroken, But I said, how

572
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 3: do you tell me you love this girl and you

573
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: out with everybody else?

574
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 2: That don't make no sense. He kept getting caught with like, yo,

575
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: what are you doing?

576
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 3: Bro? But that's her, that is her. He wanted his

577
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: cake and eat it too again. You know him. That's

578
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 3: who he is, and that's the reality of that whole thing.

579
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 3: But it's crazy, Like every time I say, just listen,

580
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 3: everyone talks all crazy. Just listen to what he's saying.

581
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: Listen to the words. Don't just hear his he's speaking loud.

582
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: Will Lorenzos, we speak loud. That's you know what I mean,

583
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 3: That's what we do. But at the end of the day,

584
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: you listen to what he's really saying. And IRV is

585
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: not a liar. He is telling you the truth about her,

586
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: about him. I was their counselor, meaning when they would fight.

587
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 3: I'm over the four Seasons with IRV and I'm at

588
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,959
Speaker 3: the Rich Carlton with a Shane talking about what did

589
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: he say? What did she say? Trying to keep them

590
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 3: cool and keep the business. You know what I'm saying,

591
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 3: keeping the business man, you gotta be that's the that's

592
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 3: the facts. Shotti wanted me to play a part in

593
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 3: one of her videos again. I wish I remember the

594
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: name of this video, oh man, where she's singing and

595
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 3: she killed. She's got the dude her her boyfriend in

596
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 3: the tub. She wanted me to play that part because

597
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. She's gonna kill. Yeah, but I'm

598
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,239
Speaker 3: really supposed to be IRV again. It's like crazy. And

599
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 3: I told her, I said, the only thing I won't

600
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 3: do is lie. But I never took her. I never

601
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: took Earth's side while Earth was here. Never, So all

602
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: I said is I'm not gonna lie. Now. I'm not

603
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: gonna talk about nothing, but I'm not gonna lie either. Like,

604
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 3: you can't ask me to do that. He's not here

605
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 3: no more. He can't even say that. If I hear

606
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: something wrong, I will correct it. But that's just for

607
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: respect for my brother. But I never hated that. I

608
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 3: never took his side with her. Hated it like that

609
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 3: was something I had to deal with him. And I'm like, yo,

610
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 3: that's your relationship. You know, that's your business. This is

611
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 3: over here. He was like, she didn't come to the trial.

612
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 3: I said she was at the tild Yeah, because Darcell

613
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: called her. I said, I called her. I called her

614
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 3: and said you should be there and she showed up.

615
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 3: What more do you want? You guys all fight? And

616
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 3: what else I always say is I say, let me

617
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 3: talk to your ex and let me see what she's

618
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 3: gonna say. Let me talk. You know what I'm saying.

619
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 3: That's just what it is. That's the fact.

620
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 8: Have you and a chance been able to talk since everything?

621
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 8: Because I saw that you were upset with her when

622
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 8: she sat down with Angie Martinez and she.

623
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 3: Said that, yeah, I was upset because we haven't spoke

624
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: in person after ERR's passing. Imagine that, and I promise

625
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 3: you I'm the reason she was murdering more. IRV made

626
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 3: the records, but Earth would have never got to that point.

627
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: If I don't do what I did. I used to

628
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: fly up to Jersey giving her music to make record

629
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 3: after record. If I don't put her on the punt,

630
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 3: it never happens. And I did that. She knows it

631
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 3: for her not to call me after ERR's passion. She

632
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 3: texts me that that don't feel right. Her mother Tina,

633
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,959
Speaker 3: that don't feel right. You understand like I did everything

634
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: for them, never did I did one thing in return?

635
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 3: Don't count tickets because I could get that myself. You

636
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying to a show. That's just the

637
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 3: fact I'm not gonna sit here with sugar coat nothing.

638
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 3: And that's why I felt the way. And then when

639
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 3: I see it, I'm like, nah, that's not cool. Ever.

640
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 3: But again, she's thinking career, but she's a legacy artist.

641
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: She has no new music. Her career is solidified. She's fine,

642
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 3: stay in shape. This is the reality and delivering them.

643
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 3: You'll be able to do that until you're gone and

644
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 3: make a living. She's fine. That's what we did. We

645
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 3: gave them hit records. That's the reality. Joe rules the same,

646
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 3: gave him, gave him them h and John again, he's amazing.

647
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: And yes, it's a marriage. When I say we gave him,

648
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 3: it's a marriage. Lyric can beat and I know there

649
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: was a point she was like she wants her masters,

650
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: and that's why IRV was like, I'm not like Leor

651
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 3: meaning Leo wasn't in the studio making those records with you,

652
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: meaning when you wrote those songs and I corrected it.

653
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 3: I'm part of that too. When I put that record

654
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 3: out and I did the beat, and then I have

655
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: to go market promoted physically to get it off the ground.

656
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: You know, there's so much details of the murdering history

657
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: that we don't know or the public doesn't know. Ashanti,

658
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: we didn't have her signed and we put Foolish out. Yeah,

659
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: number one record in the country and she's not signed.

660
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:22,719
Speaker 3: You know how much it costs us to get her

661
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: from that little AJM Records five million dollars out of

662
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 3: our pife five because we gotta hit record. We gotta

663
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: hit record on her. So now he's the numbers up

664
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 3: five million.

665
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: What made y'all put the record out before she.

666
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: Was nerv IRV moves with his heart. Leo said, I'm

667
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 3: not gonna pay for nothing. It was like we going.

668
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 3: It's timing. You know, success is number one reason for success.

669
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 3: Is timing number one reason for all success, any business,

670
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 3: whatever it is, is the timing. IRV understood timing at

671
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 3: the highest level. We have to go. Now. He knew

672
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: what the world was looking for. That's why she's still

673
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: That's all it is. It's the timing and she put boom.

674
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: It worked, but now we gotta pay and he did.

675
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 3: She knows we had to pay that money. But look,

676
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,359
Speaker 3: IRV said, loyalty. He figured that's what hurt him. See,

677
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 3: this is the plot that heard him. He's thinking, she's

678
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: gonna be loyal with me on just business things and stuff.

679
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 3: And again then it turned into relationship too, because in

680
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,279
Speaker 3: that moment he wasn't messing with her yet. He just

681
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: seen a talented young girl and that's it, and that's

682
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: what she was. That's what she is like. She's she's

683
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: an amazing writer. She's an incredible artist, and she always

684
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 3: wanted to sing. She could sing pitch perfect. People don't

685
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 3: know about her if you think about her career, they

686
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: always like, she can't really sing. But that's what Earth created.

687
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: She hated she wasn't singing. But remember she had three

688
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 3: deals before Earth, so she lost three times time. Fourth

689
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: time was the jump. So when you think about it

690
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: from a business standpoint, I'm a business guy. When I

691
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 3: think the business of it, that's what happened. You know

692
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. She was with NOONI and those guys

693
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 3: in noontime and all of that. No records, but you're singing.

694
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 3: You're making a record that no one wants to hear

695
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: because the timing is not right. Not saying they want

696
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 3: good records. It's the timing of it. It's the average

697
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 3: changing the culture. Irv's part of the culture. That's he

698
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: created this culture, this sound that was coming out of

699
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: us and all these other artists. He put his hands

700
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: on pause.

701
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 6: Y'all probably didn't make a lot of money off fools either,

702
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 6: because that was a bad boy sample.

703
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 3: No, yes, it's a sample. Wasn't bad we did. We

704
00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:44,399
Speaker 3: didn't give it to Puff Earth kind of. He went

705
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 3: to him and told him, I'm using Biggie, but I

706
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: ain't using your biggie because Puffy wanted him to use that,

707
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: so he get it. He went to the original.

708
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 8: Earth sold them the catalog for his part of the

709
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 8: catalog was Ashanti's Master's a part of that.

710
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 3: Every song he made, every song he made, every song,

711
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: he produced everything. Because it's when you sell the masters,

712
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: not just masters. Publishing goes along with it because whatever

713
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 3: is paying that kind of money, they don't want to

714
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 3: go fight for the now with the publisher and say

715
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,880
Speaker 3: you can't use it. They won it all and you

716
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: know they had to get a clue, you know that,

717
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: and that's what they did. They did that with Universal.

718
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: So in our contract we had full control of the

719
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 3: master of one hundred percent, but we had to share

720
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. So basically wherever that music was gonna

721
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 3: get put anywhere, we could say yes or no to.

722
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Okay? So that's how we had

723
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: to set up. So when he sold it, they inherited

724
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 3: that writer. So universal can't stop iconoclass. Who has the masters? Now?

725
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 8: I was asking because right when he sold something previously,

726
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 8: like with Jarrol, did he give y roll cut?

727
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, he gave joll But you know again that's family business.

728
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 8: Got you, so there's nothing like that. But that was

729
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 8: going down with Ashanti's situation.

730
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: For the part that he.

731
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 3: Y'all was supposed to be, it's a different business.

732
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 5: Was yoah a owner of.

733
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: That's what y'all was supposed to be? Officially? Never happened.

734
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: Never happened?

735
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 5: Why not?

736
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 3: Just timing? IRV IRV was gonna sign to Joe Ruse's

737
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: label as the first artist for JOAB.

738
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: I heard that before. That was like, I have this legend.

739
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 3: Let me tell you something. I have the napkin I

740
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 3: wrote the contract on and they both signed it. I

741
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: have it somewhere, but that's what the contract was. Because

742
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: RV was like if okay. We would be in the

743
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: studio and RV would rewrap everyone's song for them to

744
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: show him how to deliver the song. Not so much Joe,

745
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 3: but like the other artists. And then he understood how

746
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: to deliver as a producer, he understood how to deliver

747
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: vocals on music. You know what I'm saying, and that

748
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 3: is what man. When Joe said, Nah, you can't go

749
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: out like that, then he was like, He's gonna write

750
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: his song because E wasn't a writer. Joe was like,

751
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 3: I'll write all your music. You're gonna be my artist

752
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: on my label, and they signed a deal. It just

753
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: never came to fruition, just like Josh getting his piece

754
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: of Murdering.

755
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 5: So that was his piece when he sold the thing,

756
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 5: that was his piece.

757
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,399
Speaker 6: For one question, my fools it was at the Bard

758
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 6: sample right, but she had Biggie's voice and foolish.

759
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: It was another one that was a remix, the remix

760
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: we did, the remix.

761
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 3: That we didn't have it, the rision doesn't have it.

762
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: What was the most underrated part of your role in

763
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: building murder.

764
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't you know. I'm very humble. I

765
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 3: like I said, I did everything I had to do

766
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 3: for my brother. I'm my brother's keeper. And that's the crazy.

767
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 3: Everything I had to do on anything you could think

768
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: that needs to be done, I did it. I faced

769
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: twenty years. It's something that wasn't for me. That's the

770
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: that's the ultimate. If you understand the truth of the

771
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 3: everything HERV and again shot up prame, go get go

772
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: see the supreme truth. He got a documentary out this

773
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 3: for crazy. So but IRV and Prem forged relation. I'm

774
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: from Hollys Queens. I'll give you that dynamic because Hollice

775
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: in south Side don't work. Preim is the king in

776
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: south Side, your Queens. You understand that, you understand King

777
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 3: of south Side. My whole adolescent years, all I do

778
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: is fight dudes from south Side. Shout out monkey Dave.

779
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: I just he's someone that I fought all the time.

780
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 3: He don't know me, but now we're just kind of

781
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 3: gonna connect on some good stuff now, So shout out

782
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:29,720
Speaker 3: monkey Dave. A monkey Dave used to be there waiting

783
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 3: for anyone going to Hollee with like twenty thirty dudes

784
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: every day at the Q two. The only bus that

785
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: runs through hollis so but IRV again with all of this.

786
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 3: He was just different, man. I can't explain it. He

787
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: was different. I seen something in my job, aside from

788
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 3: my mom and my dad always telling me to take

789
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: care of your brother, make sure he's good, you know,

790
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 3: And I had to take care of my brother, so

791
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: it never stopped. I only got of argument with IRV

792
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: during the trial one time because he acted like he

793
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: didn't remember and anything I did. The reason I'm sitting

794
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 3: is because I my accounting was I got a great

795
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 3: a bill of health from the Feds for the accounting

796
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: of murdering. We gambled a ton. They had me gambling

797
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: at one point eight a week. And that's not just me.

798
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 3: It was me John nerv All gambling with a bookie,

799
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:29,319
Speaker 3: and I had a book who keeps track of their

800
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 3: I do because I want to see profit and loss

801
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 3: and we could claim profit and loss in business. But

802
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: I had every check I signed unless it was to me.

803
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 3: So anything we did to anybody, if I had to

804
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 3: pay envy of a check, IRV, I'm gonna sign this

805
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 3: for envy. Anything outside of payroll right that which I'm signing.

806
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: But anything outside of payroll, IRV, I gotta give Charlomagne.

807
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: You know just I gotta give just everybody he's seen

808
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 3: it and it's okay to and and I go. So

809
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,760
Speaker 3: I never made one check without doing that. See again,

810
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 3: everyone say families don't can't do business together. I'm showing

811
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 3: you how you have to do it as family. If

812
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: you don't do it this way, you will have problems.

813
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 3: So he can never look at anything and say a word.

814
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 3: But when we're in the trial and they say, what's

815
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 3: this talk my checks and he's saying, ask Chris, I'm like, who, like, man, nigga,

816
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 3: you told me to pay this. You told me to

817
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: pay this, dude, you told like, don't get at me

818
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 3: Asia now, And I like the lawyers had kind of

819
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 3: got us separated. I wasn't playing with him. And then

820
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 3: I said, you better start remembering now, and he did.

821
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 3: He started IRV didn't do the trial. I always say

822
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 3: this to everybody. Eth didn't do the trial. I did

823
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 3: the trial. I did every motion hearing, every you know, motionaries.

824
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 3: You usually don't go. It's just your lawyers in there, prosecutor.

825
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 3: They're deciding on what evidence gets submitted in the trial.

826
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 3: That's where you win and lose cases. My judge the

827
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 3: first day said why are we here? We know these

828
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 3: guys are guilty. My judge, I couldn't believe it. I

829
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 3: turned to shot YAlO, which is my lawyer. He's not

830
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:23,399
Speaker 3: here no more's Jerry chat YAlO, best lawyer in the game.

831
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 3: And I turned to chat Yell and I'm looking at him,

832
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: and then I just start staring at the lawyer and

833
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 3: I write down this grounds for an appeal and I

834
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: slide shot yo shaq Yel says we'll talk afterwards. So

835
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 3: we go in the hallway and the judge sees me

836
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 3: staring at him, and he realizes I'm not like a paralegal. Oh,

837
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,719
Speaker 3: this is really the client. This is because they never

838
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 3: show clients and never go to motionaries. So they're like,

839
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 3: oh man, oh well, and he changes everything up after

840
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 3: it saw over the prosecutors smirking and laughing like yeah,

841
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: got him, we got this one right. Yeah. So we

842
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: go out in the hallway and he said, Chris, I

843
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 3: know the judge. We went to school together. He says,

844
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 3: he's probably gonna be the most fearish judge you're gonna

845
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 3: get in the Southern day Street.

846
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: I said what.

847
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 3: I said? What he said? I proudly he said, I

848
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 3: wouldn't we could make emotion to change because what he said.

849
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 3: He said, but I wouldn't do that. I'm going to

850
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 3: tell you trust me. And I said, oh my god.

851
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 3: I was like, this is who you want the judge

852
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 3: to be for my case, and I'll keep it a hunted.

853
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: You know, when we first started, we had like twenty

854
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: four charges. It wasn't just two. Every they put everything

855
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: on it on it, just threw everything anything previous dealing

856
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: with they threw on us. And we get we get

857
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 3: to the next day for the motion hearing, and that

858
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: judge blocked everything because he knew he messed up the

859
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 3: day before. I really believe that he blocked everything. I mean,

860
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 3: I keep it on it. I had a lot of

861
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 3: guns and things, and I never sold drugs in my life.

862
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 3: I might have robbed the drug dealer. I never sold

863
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: the drugs except for when I sold what I robbed.

864
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,760
Speaker 3: But that's different.

865
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 2: That's a different that's a different.

866
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 4: Say selling to customers he sold they have a drug.

867
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,799
Speaker 3: He said, yes, yes, at a discount too. They love that.

868
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 3: They love me, these guys. So at the end of

869
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 3: the day, end of the day, I feel that guilt.

870
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 3: He had that next day he blocked everything. And that

871
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,720
Speaker 3: is the defining moments of why there's no way those jurors,

872
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 3: twelve jermors of not your peers, that it is not

873
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 3: your peers, is going to find you innocent with twenty

874
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 3: four chargers and you understand there's no way. You know.

875
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: The most chilling moment for me, again I was very

876
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: ignorant to a lot of this stuff, was the first

877
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,880
Speaker 3: day of court. You get in there, all rise judge

878
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 3: and they read Christopher Lorenzo Verse is the United.

879
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 2: States of America.

880
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, what did I do to the government? What

881
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 3: did I do to this country that I'm fighting them?

882
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 8: Like?

883
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 3: That was the surreal moment, even though you see it

884
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: in the doc. But when they read it, I was like,

885
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: oh man, it's crazy, But I didn't do it. Like

886
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: everything money on the case, it's all earns money. It's

887
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: not my money. Why am I sitting here? But I

888
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 3: signed every check and that's my partner and we there,

889
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 3: my brother and you heard it down though, yeah, yeah, yeah.

890
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 6: I didn't want to ask you about the funeral because

891
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 6: because Hole came to the funeral.

892
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 3: Yes, didn't, I thought came to She did not. She

893
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 3: sent some flowers Okay, what about Joe that Joe did

894
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: not his father. His father passed the same time. Okay,

895
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 3: got you got you got Joe came late. Actually, Joe

896
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: was there late. He left his father's and got to

897
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 3: us late. I seen him after at the end when

898
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: it was almost over. He did get there. Sorry, Joe. Yeah,

899
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 3: he's in the beginning though, got.

900
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 8: You Yeah, I was my Actually he mentioned the flowers,

901
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 8: and I know she posted a statement online.

902
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 7: Did that.

903
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,320
Speaker 8: I know you said that you want a talk in person,

904
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 8: but like, did that provide any sort of comfort for

905
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,399
Speaker 8: you guys in that moment? Just having things show up

906
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 8: there from her?

907
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: I don't know how to answer that. Really, it's like,

908
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:24,520
Speaker 3: it's a terrible it's a terrible it's my dad was

909
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: the worst in her past that you know. This is

910
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 3: the connection between her sibling and the way me and

911
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: Earth grew up. I mean, I raised her. That's not

912
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: my father, my you know my mother. See my dad,

913
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 3: My dad was an alcoholic. I had a listen years

914
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,359
Speaker 3: he's he's crazy, you know what I'm saying. But then

915
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 3: when he got older, I understood why he was drunk

916
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: every day. He had eight kids with no money, you

917
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, I understand as a man, he

918
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: never left, stayed with mom, and I asked him that question,

919
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: why didn't you leave? I could never do that to

920
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: y'all heard you. You know what I'm saying. He's my hero,

921
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 3: but my brother. I tried. I had to explain this

922
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,319
Speaker 3: to his kids. I said, I know that's your dad.

923
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: I know what it is to lose your dad. I said,

924
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 3: you'll feel that the day you have to lose your brother.

925
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 3: Whenever that day comes, and it's different to this day,

926
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 3: I can't. I mean, I got sick over earth Man.

927
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 3: I got sick physically after he literally in the hospital,

928
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: Like and they what is it? Stress? What's the stress?

929
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 3: It's my brother, he's here right now. Like, but I

930
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,239
Speaker 3: got through it. I have to. Like I said, so

931
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: when you say that with the flowers, it's a good gesture.

932
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: It's a good gesture. I won't go further than that.

933
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:51,919
Speaker 3: And I don't want to be disrespectful to her because

934
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 3: she probably thinks it's good. But she should know better

935
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: that she had to talk to me physically. Actually, she

936
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: should come see me. I love Ashanti. You know what

937
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 3: I'm saying. That's little that's like little sister, for real,

938
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,959
Speaker 3: for real. We took care of her in every sense

939
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: of your imagination. She confessed me one day afterwards, and

940
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 3: she thanked me for everything we did for because now

941
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 3: she's out there by herself and she's getting all types

942
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: of indecent proposals. Let's leave it to that, right, because

943
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 3: that's what this industry is. Let's not make any sugar

944
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 3: coating about it. It's an attractive young lady. She wants

945
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:35,840
Speaker 3: to make music. What could you do with this? You

946
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 3: want that beat? Okay, let's go over here. And she

947
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 3: told me. She told me, and she was like, thank you.

948
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: She thanked me for always taking care of it. On versus,

949
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 3: you know, and she's waiting, he shout out, Nelly. I

950
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,360
Speaker 3: have no problem with these nothing I fuck with Nelly.

951
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 3: But on versus. The day of versus, he pulls up

952
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 3: and I said, what do you want to do? You

953
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 3: ask her like she come up and you ask her,

954
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 3: what do you want to do? I roll this off

955
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 3: the stage. She said, no, I'll give you the sign

956
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 3: if there's a problem. But that's the day they got

957
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: back together. That's why you don't get in the middle

958
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 3: of relationships. It's different. That's why I never got any

959
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 3: and herd together. I never did. I just tried to

960
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: keep it cool with them and keep the business moving.

961
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 3: I could have swell.

962
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 7: It was reported that she went to the funeral.

963
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 3: Okay, so she they lied. They did put a report

964
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,840
Speaker 3: that she was They lied again. She probably got a

965
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 3: good publish or something.

966
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 5: I want to ask you.

967
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,720
Speaker 3: You know, you know she came and stay to my mother.

968
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 3: That's the part that's deeper than just what it is.

969
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 3: She knows that she knows. Ninnie, come on, this is

970
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: all that is off. When it's death, it's over nothing

971
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 3: Earth could say nothing, no more, it's over. Why can't

972
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: you And again, if it's because of your husband, you

973
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 3: could come to see me and talk to me. I

974
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 3: can see you at a show. What's the difference. That's

975
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 3: how I look at it me personally.

976
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 8: She had said that she tried to there was an

977
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 8: olive branch or whatever that she tried to extend or

978
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 8: was extended, but it wasn't received well. So you think

979
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 8: that that's why she kind of text me.

980
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 3: I wasn't in the mood for texting. You understand. She

981
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 3: got to understand that too. You can't only have your view.

982
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 3: It's two sides. She text me and she didn't text me.

983
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 3: If I show you the date she text me, slate,

984
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 3: you understand he's gone already, So just put this in

985
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: there without me going deep. He's gone. And then I

986
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: get a text after he's gone a couple of days. No,

987
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,800
Speaker 3: nothing else. She got my number.

988
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: She could like, you'd appreciated the call.

989
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 3: I would appreciate you a visit.

990
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:52,959
Speaker 1: I get what I'm saying.

991
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 3: It's like I said, we did a lot, you know.

992
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: And she could say whatever she wants about a relationship whatever,

993
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 3: But you can't lie about her career. Who can? Who

994
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 3: can sit there and say she did something more than

995
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 3: what it is? Like, Yeah, she wrote the records with him.

996
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 3: She hated every hit record. How about that? So what

997
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 3: if we listen to her? Did she become a shanty?

998
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 3: That's the facts? For baby Baby? She hated? That was

999
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: too many babies. It's one of my favorite records.

1000
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:26,439
Speaker 2: Irv Winne Booth and Soda.

1001
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 3: You gotta sing like this, he said, you gotta feel like.

1002
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: You you high.

1003
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 2: You don't get high.

1004
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: That's why you don't know what it is.

1005
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 2: It's what he told her.

1006
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 3: And he said, you gotta be strung out on a

1007
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: man that way, and he's so I don't want to

1008
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 3: hear it pitch perfect. I say, I'm stupid gotty sing

1009
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 3: it like that, and she did, see I give credit

1010
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: for the listening. A producer has to be able to

1011
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 3: produce or else you just the beat maker, right, and

1012
00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: you're leaving it in the hands of an artist. And

1013
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 3: that's the reality. If you trust that producer, which they

1014
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: trusted her, they was able to get through and make

1015
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,439
Speaker 3: those changes. She compromised her own belief for his, which

1016
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 3: is to her credit, you know. And that's the reality, y'all.

1017
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 3: Is the favorite time with y'all was Holla, holla, I

1018
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 3: get that beat, I run to the studio, or puts

1019
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 3: it up. Jo y'all did two hooks? Write the hook? First?

1020
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 3: We playing cards in the other room. He comes out

1021
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: with a hook. That's not it, Go write another hook?

1022
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 3: What if? Joall said, NAHRV, that's it. That's what these

1023
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 3: artists do today. It's like they can't be wrong. Nah,

1024
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 3: that's it. IRV said, No, that's not it. Came out

1025
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 3: with another one that's not it. The third one, Yo,

1026
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna double it up. I'm gonna do with the beat.

1027
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 3: Halla Halla, room, go crazy, go write it.

1028
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: He wrote the hook.

1029
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,799
Speaker 3: And the verses, it's like they was written already, that's

1030
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 3: how fast it was. And we tall about sixteen bars,

1031
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 3: three times three sixteen bars. It was like it was

1032
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 3: as soon as he got the hook, the verses was

1033
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 3: like done. Good record. But that's the that's the beauty

1034
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: of a producer. And that's to me. IRV is a producer,

1035
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 3: for real, for real. And then when I look in

1036
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: the industry, doctor Dre, who is Irv's idol, He idolized

1037
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: like he's the best. I don't even know how he

1038
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: made this or how he did that, But doctor Dre

1039
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,000
Speaker 3: is a real producer, you know. And you have a

1040
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 3: lot of them, you know. I remember Tim and IRV Timboll, you.

1041
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:30,879
Speaker 5: Know, they they used to have.

1042
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,800
Speaker 3: Little competitions, you know, and he would tell her because

1043
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 3: Tim's on huge records, and IRV say, did you tell

1044
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,839
Speaker 3: him what to do? He said, how come you didn't

1045
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 3: make magoua hit? You know, yes, this is this was

1046
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 3: Irving Timm's conversations. But when you think about it, it's real.

1047
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 3: I get it. I'm just in the back listening, you know,

1048
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: I'm that and I'm like, man, that's real stuff. Though.

1049
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: How many people did you have to fight for? Because

1050
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 4: IRV had a crazy he's my fause.

1051
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 3: Listen, meanf would go out, I would get the call

1052
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 3: over and that's like a constant. All of his friends.

1053
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 3: Everyone will tell you, like they would call me and

1054
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 3: they would be like, Yo, your brother's here. But you

1055
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 3: know I really don't fuck with them. I said, well,

1056
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 3: then don't call me. You can't not fuck with my

1057
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 3: brother and tell me you fuck with me. That's impossible. Nah,

1058
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,919
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Chris, You know what I mean.

1059
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 3: I well, didn't make sure he's good, and that's what

1060
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: would happen. So I didn't really fight a lot. I'm blessed.

1061
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 3: I was blessed in the sense of I got a

1062
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 3: lot of respect. You know, the people I fought wasn't

1063
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 3: really for Earth. I fought a lot, but it wasn't

1064
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 3: for Earth. There was a respect and when I everyone

1065
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 3: knew if you didn't mess with Earth, you can't fuck

1066
00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,600
Speaker 3: with me. Don't come over here. You know, I'll give

1067
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 3: you the Jimmy Henchman shout out Jimmy again. But this

1068
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 3: is how we actually got cool. He kept coming to

1069
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: meet me at different clubs. Y'all want to talk to

1070
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,080
Speaker 3: your brother. I said, okay, what you want to talk about, Jimmy,

1071
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: talk to me. I said, I want to talk to

1072
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 3: your brother. I said, Jimmy, I'm telling you, I'm gonna

1073
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 3: get it to like I don't lie. If you're gonna

1074
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 3: tell me, I'm gonna get it to Irving, just talk

1075
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,479
Speaker 3: to me. And then he said it again and I said,

1076
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 3: I am IRV nigga. What's up? And then oh yeah,

1077
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:28,879
Speaker 3: And then it was tension, a lot of tension with Jimmy.

1078
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 3: Now we didn't get into any conflict. We resolved it.

1079
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: But when you deal with predators, and I dealt with

1080
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: a lot of predators, you have to deal with them.

1081
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 3: They only respect power strength. So if I didn't show

1082
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 3: Jimmy's strength, it would have been probably a whole nother situation.

1083
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 4: Do you think the industry is messed up? Because now

1084
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,799
Speaker 4: it's gonna sound crazy. Back in the day, when hip

1085
00:55:51,800 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 4: hop was prevalent and everybody was running.

1086
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 2: There were predators or they were street.

1087
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,000
Speaker 4: Than today, it seems like it's not as bad as

1088
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 4: seemed like people are just doing whatever they want to do.

1089
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 3: I think got times worse back in our era. Versus today.

1090
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 5: But you think there was more control.

1091
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,280
Speaker 4: There was somebody on the West, there was somebody in Houston,

1092
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 4: there was somebody in Brooklyn, there was somebody in Queys.

1093
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 4: There was somebody in Bronx. That kept the artists being

1094
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 4: artists and the street guys.

1095
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: There was a cold.

1096
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 5: It doesn't seem like that cold is there now.

1097
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: It is. It is, let's say lawless, but the cold

1098
00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 3: back then most people didn't have the right person they

1099
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 3: was dealing with. I mean, I don't want to, but

1100
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 3: I had tons of people's jury in my hand that

1101
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 3: I shouldn't have had in my hand. And I'm like,

1102
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: and the reason they come to me. They was coming

1103
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 3: to me, these guys was they would tell me, do

1104
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 3: you know them? I'll get it back to them. But

1105
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 3: then they want me to pay for them, or want

1106
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 3: them to pay for it, and I'm like, nah, I

1107
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 3: don't want to get into the middle of that business. Now.

1108
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 3: If you was my man and it was that, I

1109
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 3: call you up and I would ask you, hey, something happened,

1110
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say anything. I would you good is everything?

1111
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:03,520
Speaker 3: And I want them to confess and they would. Ninety

1112
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 3: nine times out of one hundred they did not confess.

1113
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: They would act like it was cool, like nah, no

1114
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 3: one wants to act like they got robbed or anything.

1115
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 3: They want to always act like okay, Well then if

1116
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,440
Speaker 3: you don't, you said nothing even cool?

1117
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: You know I saw that. Sorry to cut you off.

1118
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,960
Speaker 8: Just speaking of this made me think that they're doing

1119
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 8: the Supreme Team docutaries or documentary.

1120
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 3: Well, the documentary is documentary on Supreme. It is called

1121
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 3: The Supreme Truth. And yeah, shot out Luke. He made

1122
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: an incredible film, him and Michael J. Payton, and it's

1123
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 3: again just backed on with facts like it was fact checked.

1124
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,360
Speaker 3: There was no this is my opinion. You know. That's

1125
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 3: one of the things Preme insisted on. He wanted to

1126
00:57:50,120 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 3: get all of the facts where people lied or this

1127
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 3: is impossible because this is what it is. Because the

1128
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 3: reality is he's in on the wrong charges and I'll

1129
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 3: leave it at that. What he's convicted of is not

1130
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: what he did. But when you go in front of

1131
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: twelve people with a history like he has, oh man,

1132
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,520
Speaker 3: good luck and getting them to say not guilty. And

1133
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 3: that's just the fact. Because I was there for that

1134
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 3: whole trial and it's all it's all lies. It's based

1135
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: on lies. It's all snitches. But they're gonna the twelve

1136
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: were gonna believe that because you have a history. They're

1137
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: not gonna sit there and say, oh, he couldn't have

1138
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 3: done that. That part of your brain is not happening.

1139
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: It's not happening. So did He trial must have drove

1140
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 3: you crazy. You know, the did He trial? I was

1141
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 3: just with Christian out in LA not too long ago.

1142
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 3: Shout o Christian and whole family. You know, I'm just

1143
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 3: because I can't imagine what they're dealing with. My biggest

1144
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: problem with the trial is when it first started, you know,

1145
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 3: the way they promoted it, I thought something was gonna

1146
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 3: come out. It's like some real we're gonna hear about

1147
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 3: all types of crazy shit. You know, you don't hear nothing.

1148
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,439
Speaker 3: We heard the girl he enjoyed having a freak off,

1149
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 3: you know, with dudes with large members spouse.

1150
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, and she was paying them.

1151
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 3: My biggest problem is this, he's a If he's not

1152
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 3: a billionaire's right there, let's call him a billionaire. How

1153
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 3: does this black billionaire with this lack of evidence, which

1154
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: they had to The prosecutor had to remove chargers in

1155
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 3: the middle of the trial said, oh, we're not going

1156
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 3: to go after these, we're taking these off because they

1157
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 3: didn't have no evidence for it. Not get home, not

1158
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 3: be able to fight this from home. That's all I'm saying.

1159
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,440
Speaker 3: Nothing else. Why couldn't he fight this from home? You

1160
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 3: know the Abercrimeian fish people, they five million dollar bail

1161
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 3: on their home and they got all the boys. They

1162
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,160
Speaker 3: was messing with them, little boys and girls, like come on,

1163
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 3: enough is enough, man. But as people, if we don't

1164
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 3: get together, we will never get anywhere. And that's the

1165
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,800
Speaker 3: biggest problem. They know we could never get together.

1166
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 8: You think he gonna get to get to come home

1167
00:59:59,080 --> 00:59:59,920
Speaker 8: and get the time served on.

1168
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 3: He's definitely getting time served, and it's just a question

1169
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 3: of what they charging with. How much is the judge

1170
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 3: going to give them, how much amount of time. I'm

1171
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: afraid for him, really, yeah, only because they didn't let

1172
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,600
Speaker 3: him go. He should have been home.

1173
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 2: He's not. He's almost in a year. We all watched

1174
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 2: the case.

1175
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: Fourteen months.

1176
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah that's a little longer year, yes, yellow education.

1177
01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 8: But when you say more than a year, I'm thinking,

1178
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 8: like you're hitting it, like two years, we got you.

1179
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 3: But but he's for being in that long. It's crazy

1180
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 3: for not for the charges that I mean, for the

1181
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 3: case that I heard, it's not a domestic violence case.

1182
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 3: I don't condone. I'm a protector of women, so at

1183
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if I see a female

1184
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 3: in duress, I will be in the middle of that problem. Now,

1185
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 3: if it's a relationship, like I said, I don't do that.

1186
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 3: I got five sisters, I got a month, I got

1187
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 3: a ton of nieces, I got a daughter. You're not

1188
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 3: playing with no women as a man. So when I

1189
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 3: heard the domestic violence, I don't condone that. But that's

1190
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,800
Speaker 3: not a domestic violence case in the facts. He'sa a

1191
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 3: MGC right now, that's a real place. Nah, that's not cool, man.

1192
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,560
Speaker 3: And that And I was early on it because I

1193
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 3: was waiting to hear something and a prosecutor will always

1194
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 3: come out with the smoking gun the first thing they're

1195
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 3: going to talk about it. And I didn't hear nothing.

1196
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:31,880
Speaker 3: And right after that, I was like, leave, Let did

1197
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 3: he go? Man? This is terrible? You know, hold your head,

1198
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:42,480
Speaker 3: bro again, you're what someone's sexual preferences is nothing. If

1199
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 3: he involved kids, then they would have been a problem.

1200
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: I'm a game women. Kids, You can't play with that shit,

1201
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 3: not around me. No.

1202
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: Afric.

1203
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 6: Fifth thing was interesting too because they was always saying

1204
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 6: that he got a bell because of his age, and

1205
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 6: then they said he was unfit to stand dry because

1206
01:01:57,240 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 6: he had dementia.

1207
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Puffy gotta go crazy too.

1208
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: It should have make me crazy.

1209
01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 6: I wanted to ask you something else about you know,

1210
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 6: Dame Dashes doing the Supreme Team.

1211
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Kyle Kyle Sho, Kyle Preme's son. He got

1212
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,200
Speaker 3: Dame and he talking to Prince and uh preim he

1213
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 3: was on the phone. Yeah, we was on the phone.

1214
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 3: Like the reality is something anyone could tell. Pream's story

1215
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 3: from the eighties once you get into the nineties and

1216
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 3: that's murder ring. He's attached to the hip. I went

1217
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 3: through the whole trial for these You know, that's really

1218
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 3: what the public.

1219
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,440
Speaker 1: Wants to hear about doing the Supreme Team.

1220
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. We had man Jamie Fox, Michael j

1221
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: Michael bat Jordan, Michael beat Jordan's Michael B. Jordan to

1222
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: play Prince his nephew, and Jamie Fox was gonna play Preme.

1223
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 3: We had was talking to leon Leonardo DiCaprio for the

1224
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 3: Detective like the lead detective ro No, it's Powerhouse.

1225
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:04,040
Speaker 1: A movie TV show.

1226
01:03:04,040 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 3: It was a movie. But here's what happened. Here's what happened, Earth,

1227
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 3: Earth happened. We was irthed. He cursed out the president

1228
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 3: of BT oh and told him he's like not black.

1229
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: He didn't really curse him out. He's not black. Yeah,

1230
01:03:23,560 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 3: I didn't want to say his name, but yeah, Scott,

1231
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do business over there. Scott, you heard me.

1232
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 3: We'll get onto that next. But uh, he tells me

1233
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 3: he's not black. You don't know this coachre uncle, all

1234
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 3: types of stuff like that. IRV was very close with

1235
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 3: Bob Backish. Bob Backish was the CEO of Viacom who

1236
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 3: owns and controls BT Paramount Film, so we was getting

1237
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,320
Speaker 3: to deal with Paramount for this movie. The Prime Team

1238
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 3: through Bob and Bob Earth thought he was gonna protect

1239
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 3: him with Scott, and then Earth went there and said, IRV,

1240
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 3: I hired him. I can't do that, and then IRV

1241
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 3: ended up losing tails were the number one slot TV

1242
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 3: slot on BT for our time slot for tales, and

1243
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 3: we lose it again. We got IRVD and he lost

1244
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 3: it because Scott took a stand, I can't work with him,

1245
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 3: and that was the end of tails.

1246
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 1: Why do end up calling Scott White?

1247
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 3: Because IRV Okay, I'm gonna get IRV irv's visionary again.

1248
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 3: And he had ideas about tales in different genres of music,

1249
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 3: and he wanted to I'm gonna give Mona Scott this credit.

1250
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,439
Speaker 3: Shout out Mona. He wanted to love and hip hop

1251
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 3: it what did What do I mean by loving hip hop?

1252
01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: Love and hip hop? New York love and hip hop,

1253
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 3: Atlanta love and hip hop, Miami loveing hip hop? La? No,

1254
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 3: but it's from his programming. See we're talking programming now.

1255
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 3: So love and hip hop never stops. It's twenty it's

1256
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 3: every day, three sixty five. When you do TV shows,

1257
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,480
Speaker 3: you got your hiatus, you're shooting this little bit of time,

1258
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 3: ten ten episodes, and you're off then you come back.

1259
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 2: No, now, if I do that, I never stopped working.

1260
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 3: But then you know that's a lot of money too.

1261
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,800
Speaker 3: HERV was what was getting twenty five million dollars for

1262
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 3: ten episodes, so two point five f so if you

1263
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: did that times for he's talking about a hundred million

1264
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 3: dollars deal. And that's why he's you might call someone

1265
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: out of their name and if they don't see the vision.

1266
01:05:26,560 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 3: We got a show that's working when you already proved

1267
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 3: it out. Let's do R and B. Now, let's do

1268
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:38,240
Speaker 3: rock and roll, let's do country, let's do Latin. You know,

1269
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 3: the concept is there, so it's like, but you know

1270
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 3: Mona Scott, she did that with she did that with

1271
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 3: him hip hop. Shout out mon again.

1272
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 5: She did not the reason you hear the Clash Pro League? Yes,

1273
01:05:49,640 --> 01:05:51,040
Speaker 5: what is the Clash Pro League?

1274
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 3: Man? The Clash Pro League is again. I'm four decades

1275
01:05:54,440 --> 01:05:57,280
Speaker 3: inside the street basketball. You know, I did so many

1276
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,280
Speaker 3: things in my career. When I look back, I'm like, man,

1277
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 3: I did all of this. I can't believe it. But yeah,

1278
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 3: for decades inside street I helped Greg Marius who ran

1279
01:06:05,120 --> 01:06:09,439
Speaker 3: Ruttle Park, helped build do deals with him and build

1280
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: Rutle Park to the height. You know BBC, right, that's

1281
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 3: what they call it EBC now Entertainment Entertainer's Basketball Classic,

1282
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 3: that's what it's called now. But yeah, I did that,

1283
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 3: and then all these years in the middle of that,

1284
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,520
Speaker 3: I would always think of I dealt with I also

1285
01:06:24,560 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 3: have a managing a sports business, so I manage athletes.

1286
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 3: I have NBA players that I was managing football players,

1287
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 3: managing or co asinging, managing or co aging. I would

1288
01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: get an agent and be his partner, bring them to

1289
01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: the athlete. And through all of that is what made

1290
01:06:43,400 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 3: me start the league because I understood the again business

1291
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 3: principal Number one, supplying demand, the supply of athletes that

1292
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 3: are not getting jobs, that are really talented play D

1293
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 3: one but have nowhere to go. They're playing the streetball

1294
01:06:58,280 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 3: and they some of them do get to go over

1295
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 3: But when you think of overseas, it's only two jobs

1296
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:05,200
Speaker 3: an American can get on each team overseas. The rest

1297
01:07:05,240 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 3: has to be from the country that you're playing it.

1298
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 3: So most of those jobs are taken, just like the NBA.

1299
01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 3: NBA is a four hundred and fifty players in the NBA,

1300
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 3: and guess what, most of them are not leaving. And

1301
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: then you get a new recruit. Two drafts, two rounds

1302
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 3: every year. That's only thirty two teams, sixty four players.

1303
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,440
Speaker 3: Think of the March, think of March Madness, and you

1304
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: understand supply every year all them teams D one talented

1305
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 3: players but can't get a job. And I was like

1306
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:39,200
Speaker 3: we need a team in a league in New York

1307
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 3: just started. I want to start it in New York,

1308
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:45,640
Speaker 3: but I want to franchise leagues in every city, you know,

1309
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,640
Speaker 3: and then really have a stronghold on that. So that's

1310
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:51,120
Speaker 3: what I did last year and went incredible. He sold

1311
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:57,600
Speaker 3: out every week short season for the attention span of disease. Right,

1312
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 3: So I did a shortened season, only a seven game season,

1313
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 3: agame with money. I'm paying all the players, they all

1314
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 3: get paid, the coaches, everyone's getting paid. So it's a

1315
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 3: real league. I based it on leagues like the Dominican

1316
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 3: Republic or Puerto Rico. And if you look at the

1317
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:16,040
Speaker 3: Puerto Rico League, like Bad Bunny owns a team over there,

1318
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 3: like they're pumping now the influence of a big star

1319
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,120
Speaker 3: and money into these teams, Puerto Rico will end up

1320
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 3: having a very big league. The problem is they need

1321
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:28,439
Speaker 3: to accept more American players. They have to make an

1322
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 3: adjustment from their own business because only having two Puerto

1323
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 3: Rico's not big enough to have really that good of

1324
01:08:33,320 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 3: players everywhere. It's just what it is. You need more

1325
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 3: from outside to make the league more dynamic. But that's

1326
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 3: where they're right. And then I looked at all this.

1327
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:45,120
Speaker 3: I studied this, and I said, let's start a league.

1328
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: And I did it at a very cost deficient. Man

1329
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:51,200
Speaker 3: and I base the pay all of those games and

1330
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 3: we only have a seven game series is eight teams.

1331
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:59,760
Speaker 3: Eight teams, they all play each other once once that's over, playoffs, championship,

1332
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,639
Speaker 3: We're done. I did a full combine. I had over

1333
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 3: five hundred players show up and you had to fill

1334
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,400
Speaker 3: out a questionnaire to make sure that I know you

1335
01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 3: know how to play ball, you have a career somewhere.

1336
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 3: I'm not just taking someone off the street.

1337
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: That's all nice.

1338
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 3: I killed the YMCA yesterday. No, you have to be

1339
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,560
Speaker 3: a real athlete. So all of these are real athletes

1340
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:23,520
Speaker 3: that played somewhere, and man, it was a huge success.

1341
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 3: My next goal is now season two. We're starting in

1342
01:09:27,400 --> 01:09:32,120
Speaker 3: March this year. I moved the date. I don't want

1343
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 3: to do it in the summer, which is probably in

1344
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 3: New York is the ideal time because I don't want

1345
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 3: to cannibalize the street ball. I also helped build like

1346
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 3: a Dytming park. Like me and King Stephen shotout Ken

1347
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: stevens Man, I helped build out Dytman and now you know,

1348
01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 3: I helped them out with that indictment's out of his height,

1349
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,599
Speaker 3: so I understand. But I get all the players from

1350
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 3: the high school up, so I have the farming system

1351
01:09:51,160 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 3: basically everything right in my fingertips with clash, and then

1352
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:57,600
Speaker 3: that's what the league's about. And then it really is

1353
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 3: about expanding. I've had meetings just now, shout out Jay,

1354
01:10:00,880 --> 01:10:08,400
Speaker 3: Will you know, Kevin Durant, Carmelo Anthony, you know, Kendrick Perkins,

1355
01:10:08,760 --> 01:10:12,440
Speaker 3: Fat Joe, you know, and then I got French Montana

1356
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:16,839
Speaker 3: are you. I'm using influences now for each team. Smart

1357
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:21,639
Speaker 3: you know, you guys could come in whenever you want me. No, no, seriously,

1358
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 3: like this is business. And when I show you the

1359
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 3: business side of it, this is multi billions of dollars.

1360
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 3: Once I expand into multiple cities, the real part of

1361
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:31,840
Speaker 3: it would be marketing because I'm using these social media

1362
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 3: influencers or celebrities. You know, I'm talking to Nli Chopper,

1363
01:10:37,680 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 3: Chris Brown, Jay Cole, Yeah, because these I wanted. I

1364
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 3: want someone with a basketball offinity.

1365
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:45,439
Speaker 7: And he got it.

1366
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 3: I know, Chris Brown used to come to New York

1367
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:50,320
Speaker 3: and play with me. I used to get a basketball

1368
01:10:50,320 --> 01:10:52,320
Speaker 3: city and he would come. That's how I know Chris Brown.

1369
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 3: Before he got big, I was playing basketball. He would

1370
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 3: come to. I would play at night with all my

1371
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 3: guys and Chris Brown, a guy named Tam would bring

1372
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,720
Speaker 3: them with me and we gonna play ball everywhere.

1373
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 1: Same.

1374
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:07,120
Speaker 7: That's how we meant to way back before you he

1375
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 7: used to play with my cousins.

1376
01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 3: No, but he can play ball. So someone like him.

1377
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,120
Speaker 3: So see, b if you listen and you see what

1378
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 3: I'm doing, like, come holler at me because it's a

1379
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 3: huge potential will own all of this. I mean, I know,

1380
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 3: look Gilly and Wallow. I'm trying to get these guys

1381
01:11:24,360 --> 01:11:26,080
Speaker 3: to come up. They were supposed to come last year,

1382
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 3: but now I want to talk to him about being

1383
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 3: owners of teams and then I could show them the

1384
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,280
Speaker 3: business side of that and how well they get the money.

1385
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: And I'm not asking for a dollar, right, I'm giving

1386
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: the teams. I'm picking the right influencers to make my league.

1387
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 3: You know, I'm a shout out Robin from Ball Alert.

1388
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 3: Shout out Robin. That's my girl. She's she's gonna be

1389
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 3: one of my robbers. Yeah, so it doesn't have to

1390
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,719
Speaker 3: be an artist. That could be an influencer as well.

1391
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 3: I reached out to Constaninade, all of them, jew Sky,

1392
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:57,600
Speaker 3: I reached out to everyone to see but you know,

1393
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 3: sometimes you gotta shown. But when you see that what

1394
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 3: I did last year, I mean the gym. We're in

1395
01:12:03,720 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 3: a small gym. It's in Harlem, one hundred nineteenth Street

1396
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:10,400
Speaker 3: in Manhattan. It's a small gym because I want it

1397
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:13,240
Speaker 3: like the street, like you know, you go to Dykeman

1398
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,360
Speaker 3: and everyone's on top. I want my gym. So when

1399
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:16,960
Speaker 3: I get to where I need to, because this is

1400
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:20,960
Speaker 3: first round, I'm raising three more million dollars and it's

1401
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:24,120
Speaker 3: you know, a safe So people don't know what safes are.

1402
01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:26,280
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, it's the best thing for an investor.

1403
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 3: So if the evaluation comes in higher or lower, use

1404
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 3: that's safe adjust for you so you never get a chance.

1405
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 3: That's what all of the hedge, not hedge from Silicon

1406
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: Valley guys, they use safe notes when they raise money

1407
01:12:39,680 --> 01:12:41,800
Speaker 3: for that reason, because you don't know, I'm starting the

1408
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: tech company it's worth one hundred billion. You know, what

1409
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: happens he comes in is only worth for a million dollars.

1410
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: It is just so your money's value more valuable than

1411
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,679
Speaker 3: thinking it is just for you. So that's the reason

1412
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 3: we did the safe but three million my first round,

1413
01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 3: the first year, it was just all money, me and

1414
01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:00,840
Speaker 3: a couple of investors. We paid it. But this next

1415
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:03,080
Speaker 3: one three million and the right after that, that'll cover

1416
01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 3: me for two years. I'll killed this New York area.

1417
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,839
Speaker 3: And then I looked to go into Baltimore, Chicago, Atlanta

1418
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 3: with different leagues and raising another fifty two hundred million dollars.

1419
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 7: Congratulations in the league. I think that's dope.

1420
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:16,519
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you well, thank you for joining us

1421
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 5: this morning.

1422
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: Good conversation.

1423
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 3: That's right. I got to talk about one more thing

1424
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,960
Speaker 3: before we get off. I got a movie. I'm a filmmaker, now, okay,

1425
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 3: nice bawling. I got Lance Stephenson is my lead. Safari

1426
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:35,599
Speaker 3: Trey Cheney. Shout out to Chaney. He's the lead. He's

1427
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 3: the lead. Not only is the lead, but he made

1428
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 3: an incredible soundtrack. Lan Stephens the Black Drake. He's a

1429
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,800
Speaker 3: black drake, I promise you. He's singing and rapping on

1430
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 3: the songs. And I couldn't believe I was gonna just

1431
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,960
Speaker 3: make one or two songs for the movie.

1432
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 1: Why why.

1433
01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 3: Again, I asked, but you gotta come in, right, they

1434
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:02,759
Speaker 3: say he was in the movie. He's in the movie,

1435
01:14:03,160 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 3: but he didn't come to the studio.

1436
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: Got you got you, you gotta come. That's probably the.

1437
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 3: Best you know, I'm gonna since you said shout out

1438
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,960
Speaker 3: to Fari. Sofari is not like you might think as

1439
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:18,879
Speaker 3: a person. If you get to know it. His perception

1440
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 3: of him is really different than what he really is. No,

1441
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 3: he's very good. He's very cool, dude, you know what

1442
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 3: I'm saying. But yeah, we did well. He was number

1443
01:14:28,280 --> 01:14:30,719
Speaker 3: one five weeks in the row on tob Go Ship

1444
01:14:30,760 --> 01:14:33,479
Speaker 3: Go watch it. This out on what is it called

1445
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 3: balling No, it's it's it's based off of an Alfred

1446
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 3: Hitchcock movie called Diland for Murder. The way the plot

1447
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,720
Speaker 3: twist is, we just put the culture for today with

1448
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:46,719
Speaker 3: people like us.

1449
01:14:48,360 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 7: Know what I'm saying, Are you related?

1450
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:58,000
Speaker 3: You know how many people tell me like, yeah, I

1451
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,799
Speaker 3: used to get that. I used to get that younger.

1452
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 3: I used to get it young I don't get as

1453
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 3: much then. And we just finished shooting another movie, so

1454
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:07,040
Speaker 3: Arc Films with I got two partners Andy and try

1455
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 3: to shout out Andy Man and Dwight Rich Black Walker

1456
01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: you know who wrote the who wrote it with me? There?

1457
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,080
Speaker 3: And uh man, we're just moving in with ARC Films.

1458
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 3: I got it. I got so many films with it.

1459
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:22,759
Speaker 3: Next year, I'll have at least seven movies out. Damn

1460
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,280
Speaker 3: that's twenty six. Not me.

1461
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:29,599
Speaker 7: I'm not going to have seven movies. Oh are you casting?

1462
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 3: Always? We got a movie. We got one of that

1463
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:36,599
Speaker 3: where we already casted, uh right now called Raffle. We're

1464
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,839
Speaker 3: shooting in Miami. That's gonna be fired too, crazy, great

1465
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,000
Speaker 3: great cast of people already. And then ever, the director,

1466
01:15:44,760 --> 01:15:47,040
Speaker 3: I mean boy wanted to you know, the producer, boy

1467
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 3: wanted that. He's part of the part of that movie

1468
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:51,479
Speaker 3: as well.

1469
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 7: I'm always down audition man, So.

1470
01:15:54,280 --> 01:15:57,200
Speaker 3: I'll get your number for sure, for sure, thank you.

1471
01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 3: We have a lot of stuff coming out, you know,

1472
01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,640
Speaker 3: and we're doing it for the black and brown. So

1473
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,040
Speaker 3: I'm not Latin, but I do Latin with my partner

1474
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 3: Don de narrow Man. We just finished Spanish Fly, a

1475
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:11,200
Speaker 3: crazy movie, a comedy, you know what I'm saying. So

1476
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 3: we got we got it all.

1477
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 4: I'm not Spanish man either, he said, he not, but

1478
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 4: I'm not Spanish.

1479
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 3: I got a partner as Cuban and he's my partner.

1480
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:22,799
Speaker 3: He does all the Latin side for me, but I

1481
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,720
Speaker 3: you know, support him with everything he's doing. You know,

1482
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 3: it's funny because on my wikipedi and someone put down

1483
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 3: there because people could add stuff I never did. My

1484
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 3: wicked people.

1485
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 5: He said, he does mine too all the time. He

1486
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 5: caught me a gardener, credal minded.

1487
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:40,639
Speaker 3: I'm a Dominican, so I'm christ.

1488
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:44,920
Speaker 5: It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning every day.

1489
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 2: Click your ass up the Breakfast Club.

1490
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 3: Finish, y'all done