Speaker 1: Joe Loyer has agreed to answer our questions, so please
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Speaker 1: there is Steve Fishman from Orbit Media. And this is
Speaker 1: Get the Money and Run. You're going to love today's
Speaker 1: episode five. It's the beginning of something, and that beginning
Speaker 1: starts with Joe surrounded shouting at a crowd stay out
Speaker 1: of it. Well spoiler alert, that doesn't happen. Okay, over
Speaker 1: to Ben.
Speaker 2: You are listening to The Burden season four, Get the
Speaker 2: Money and Run, I'm bender and this is episode five,
Speaker 2: two too many.
Speaker 3: Joe tell me about the money? What was it like
Speaker 3: having all that money?
Speaker 4: Okay, so one time I had fifty thousand dollars in
Speaker 4: a sports bag underneath my bed and I decide, you
Speaker 4: know what I want to see with this money? Looks
Speaker 4: like I was stacked out. I would periodically I take
Speaker 4: it out and count it, and I would count it
Speaker 4: on my bed. So i'd count all the money. I'm excited,
Speaker 4: like that's fifty thousand plus. And then I was like,
Speaker 4: well fuck it. So I slide it all around the
Speaker 4: bed and move it all and I may assume my
Speaker 4: whole bed's money. And it's not a lot of money, like,
Speaker 4: it's not thick, it's not like I'm you know, it's
Speaker 4: like a pillow of money. But it's enough to spread
Speaker 4: all over the place. And so I spread it out
Speaker 4: and I decide I'm gonna do that cheesy thing where
Speaker 4: you lie down in it, like you've seen in every
Speaker 4: movie or a TV show where people were like, get
Speaker 4: all this money. You know, I've been raised poor. It's
Speaker 4: a lot of fucking money to look at. And so
Speaker 4: I lie down on it. I'll fall flat on it,
Speaker 4: just drop on it, flip over, and I'm lying on it.
Speaker 4: Very quickly, I started realizing, ah, shit, I think I
Speaker 4: stepped on shit because I smell shit in my room,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, now, I do that like a
Speaker 4: real pungent, fucking craps, like someone chunk of deuce right there.
Speaker 4: So I get up and immediately I look at the
Speaker 4: bottom of my shoes. It's no shit. I look around, like,
Speaker 4: what is that smell of shit? Man? I can't find it,
Speaker 4: and it's driving me crazy, and I'm smelling my fingers
Speaker 4: and I realized, oh, oh, it's a little faint something
Speaker 4: there and I look down at the money and I
Speaker 4: have a realization, oh shit, might be the money. I
Speaker 4: get on my knees. I've been forward, put my face
Speaker 4: all around it, and like, oh fuck, yes it's the money, man,
Speaker 4: the money. Just people wipe their ass and they go
Speaker 4: and they pull money out and they just their hands.
Speaker 4: There's a dirty, fuck grubby hands on all this money.
Speaker 4: Imagine all the people whose greasy hands have been on
Speaker 4: this thing. Right, it smells like someone dumped a grumpy
Speaker 4: right there. Man. It was terrible. It was like, oh fuck,
Speaker 4: this money's gross. It was surprising. Man, money stinks. Money
Speaker 4: fucking stinks. Part one?
Speaker 3: Who me after all those banks? I'm sure you've been
Speaker 3: wondering how far can one bank ropper go. It starts
Speaker 3: at the Bank of America. Of course, it's in a
Speaker 3: parking lot of them all in a suburb of La
Speaker 3: called Cerritos.
Speaker 4: So a couple of interesting notes about this bank. One,
Speaker 4: I was able to rob two women that day, where
Speaker 4: I robbed one and then the other teller next to
Speaker 4: leaned over to ask her question. I was like, send
Speaker 4: them money over to so like she sent money over
Speaker 4: and was having to rob too. So it was like, really, aggressive.
Speaker 4: The other interesting thing about here is that into this bank,
Speaker 4: I wore two sweatshirts to bulk me up, to make
Speaker 4: me look bulky. So when I go in there baseball
Speaker 4: cap whatever, and I rob them, I look big. I'm
Speaker 4: bulked up from the sweatshirts stuff. When I run in
Speaker 4: my car, I get in the car, I drive away
Speaker 4: from here. I pull over inside of the street and
Speaker 4: I take off all his clothes underneath, and I have
Speaker 4: a pair of shorts. I have a U c l
Speaker 4: A tank top. I have a U sl A hat on.
Speaker 4: Now I take all my clothes up and now I'm
Speaker 4: wearing sneakers, not our topsiders, not the other shoes I
Speaker 4: was wearing. So I got more of like a collegiate
Speaker 4: look thing. And I put all the clothes in the
Speaker 4: bag and I throw it in a rain ditch. So
Speaker 4: I get on the free one. As I get on
Speaker 4: the freeway and I go over to the to the
Speaker 4: fast lane, I almost crashed in at three sheriff's cars froom.
Speaker 4: I almost literally almost crashing it because I'm not looking
Speaker 4: in my mirror. I just don't say it's empty. But
Speaker 4: they're coming on so fast that I just were and
Speaker 4: I dodge them, and I look ahead and I realized
Speaker 4: they're racing to where a helicopter is ahead in the freeway.
Speaker 4: I'm like, shit, I gotta get off the freeway. So
Speaker 4: I start pulling over off the freeway and then start
Speaker 4: pulling over off the freeway. I get off with the
Speaker 4: next off round and I turn right into traffic. Right
Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, cool, I just dodged a bullet. All
Speaker 4: of a sudden, sheriff cars all around me. I don't
Speaker 4: know where they came from, and they're all stopping a
Speaker 4: turkey jerky and they're looking at everyone in the cars,
Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, I'm good because I don't look like
Speaker 4: the guy who walked out of that bank. In fact,
Speaker 4: as soon as I feel the helicopter's overhead, I open
Speaker 4: my son roofs so they can look in and they
Speaker 4: can say, I'm in short so I'm not even wearing pants.
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I look like that guy at all.
Speaker 4: So all that to say, and I'm driving, I'm driving
Speaker 4: and cars as I'm driving down the road on the
Speaker 4: right left side, police cars are looking at me. They're
Speaker 4: just parked, and then as I would drive past them,
Speaker 4: they would join a crowd growing, crowded cop cars behind me,
Speaker 4: so it's like they're looking at me. And then as
Speaker 4: I pulled past them, they would then turn into traffic
Speaker 4: from the left and the right. I'm driving, I'm just chilling.
Speaker 4: I'm just relaxing, just taking my time, being easy. And
Speaker 4: then what are you thinking about all these cop cars
Speaker 4: behind you? I'm thinking, why are they Why do they
Speaker 4: think it's me? I have no clue, but I do
Speaker 4: know as I'm driving there's now fifteen twenty cars behind
Speaker 4: me it's me. They've isolated me. And there's a car
Speaker 4: pulls up to my left and he looks at me,
Speaker 4: and I look at him, and I just keep driving.
Speaker 4: I caught another car pulls up to my right to me.
Speaker 3: Do they have sirens going?
Speaker 4: Like? Is it No?
Speaker 3: They're just following all right.
Speaker 4: Then the guy pulls up to the right of me,
Speaker 4: and then he pulls behind and now they're all following me.
Speaker 4: And then the hell cops in front of me, and
Speaker 4: he starts going low and they put their lights on
Speaker 4: and the yell pull over. So I feel like, okay,
Speaker 4: this is a racist rush to judgment, you know, because
Speaker 4: there's no way that I look like the guy, and
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, I'm gonna fucking fight this in court because
Speaker 4: why are they stopping me. There's no reason to stop me.
Speaker 4: They just targeted a Mexican dude. That's the way I'm
Speaker 4: thinking about it, right. So I pull over. They all
Speaker 4: have stepped out of their cars. They got guns pointing
Speaker 4: at me. I could see it in my mirrors. I'm
Speaker 4: not going anywhere. Helicopters on the road in front of
Speaker 4: me low, so I know that, okay, there is I'm
Speaker 4: not getting away and this is gonna be what it's
Speaker 4: gonna be. And I start yelling why do you stop me?
Speaker 4: And the helicopters are going He's shut the fuck out,
Speaker 4: put your hands behind your head, and I'm like, why
Speaker 4: do you stop me? Like I said, shut the fuck out?
Speaker 4: And that takes the fuck and the whole time he's
Speaker 4: giving me instruction is to walk back, to walk to
Speaker 4: my left in the middle of the street, to put
Speaker 4: my arms out, to get on my knees, to all forward. Everything.
Speaker 4: I keep interrupted, why did you stop me? Because I'm
Speaker 4: convinced this is a legal stop. And at that point
Speaker 4: I feel them running at me and I'm laid out
Speaker 4: on the on the ground, my legs open, my arms wide,
Speaker 4: my face down, and they jump on me. I mean
Speaker 4: they jump on me, and they're they're like mad at me,
Speaker 4: and I feel guns on me, I feel knees on me.
Speaker 4: They're grabbing my hands and trumping them and one guy
Speaker 4: grabs my head now remember, and they're on me. I'm
Speaker 4: trying to pull my arms back and I'm not resisting.
Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm fucked right. So he pulls my head
Speaker 4: back and I swear to God, I thought he's gonna
Speaker 4: choke me up because I can barely breathe. And he
Speaker 4: leans into my ears says, you want to know why
Speaker 4: we stopped you, cocksucker. We stopped him from being ugly
Speaker 4: and ro walk so and you know what, I'm thinking, like,
Speaker 4: that's kind of fucking clever. This sms a bitch, that's
Speaker 4: kind of fucking clever. So I'm seated there and they
Speaker 4: put me on a cop right in the back of
Speaker 4: a cup car. They now approached my car where the
Speaker 4: gun's drawn, Like, oh, I'm running at the car and
Speaker 4: not running but you know, coming together the helicopter overhead.
Speaker 4: There's just someone in there. They don't know. And when
Speaker 4: they go in they see you know he's in there.
Speaker 4: They open the door, they reach in the back, they
Speaker 4: pull out the bag, and they hold up the bag
Speaker 4: of money like a price fish and he says, got it.
Speaker 4: And I look at it, and the guy says to me,
Speaker 4: who has the coppers in the front seat. He says,
Speaker 4: you're a dumb fuck man. He says, we caught you
Speaker 4: with the transmitter and the money. They bring the two
Speaker 4: women I had robbed, and they bring them to where
Speaker 4: I am standing on the sidewalk and then make them
Speaker 4: look at me. While I did the I just turned
Speaker 4: around to my left, to my right, and they told
Speaker 4: me don't look at them. And I wasn't trying to
Speaker 4: break the rules. But when I looked look straight ahead
Speaker 4: and they were there, I could see from the side
Speaker 4: of my eyes that their heads were saying, no, that's
Speaker 4: not the guy, right. So I knew I had play.
Speaker 4: I knew that these women did not recognize me as
Speaker 4: the guy who had just robbed them within the last
Speaker 4: half hour. So they can only arrest me for possession
Speaker 4: of stolen property.
Speaker 3: So, but you're arrested. You were taking to LA share
Speaker 3: station not too far away in Lynnwood, California. What was
Speaker 3: your plan. This time.
Speaker 4: I'm in a holding cell with other criminals. I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh fuck, I know what to do. Boom all right
Speaker 4: again the phone, Paul, give it of all photos of
Speaker 4: my house. Like, I feel like they have guys gonna
Speaker 4: go to my house and they're gonna get photos and
Speaker 4: against thee all my friends, against these photos of me,
Speaker 4: and they're gonna compare the photos of me to the
Speaker 4: photos they've taken from all the surveillance cameras. So I
Speaker 4: don't want to match from any of them at all.
Speaker 4: I say, get all my photos out of the house
Speaker 4: and get whatever cash you can find in the house
Speaker 4: and go take it at Gloria and have him come
Speaker 4: down here and bail me out. So I got twelve
Speaker 4: hours and I'm waiting to get bailed on, waiting to
Speaker 4: get bailed on, way to get bailed in that time.
Speaker 4: I get pulled out of the holding cell. I got
Speaker 4: taken to a room and in walks this real burly guy,
Speaker 4: special agent Quarters, puts a notebook down, opens it up,
Speaker 4: and he just starts to ask me questions. What's your name,
Speaker 4: first name, middle name, last name, how old are you,
Speaker 4: where'd you go to school? Just basic information. They get
Speaker 4: all this information from me. And it's not an interrogation,
Speaker 4: it's just he wants to assess me. And I'm polite
Speaker 4: and I'm articulate, and I'm not trying to be friendly
Speaker 4: with him, but I'm he's getting to read on me, like,
Speaker 4: this guy doesn't look like bank rubbers at all. Nothing
Speaker 4: about me, says bank rubber. But he suspects I had
Speaker 4: something to do with it because I was caught with
Speaker 4: the money. And then he finally says, so, the women
Speaker 4: who were robbed, say, you didn't rob the bank. You're
Speaker 4: not the one who robbed them. But how did you
Speaker 4: get ahold of that money? Because that's the bank money.
Speaker 4: I said, man, I'm glad you asked. And I proceeded
Speaker 4: to lie and tell him that, you know, I went
Speaker 4: out to go shopping Macy's in that mall near where
Speaker 4: the bank was, and I got out and I realized,
Speaker 4: oh shit, I left my wall in the car. And
Speaker 4: I go back to my car and I see this
Speaker 4: true big burly man wearing exactly the outfit I was
Speaker 4: wearing the bank. I described me saying, this big burly
Speaker 4: man runs out and he throws something underneath my car
Speaker 4: and I wonder what the fuck, and I pull it
Speaker 4: out and it's all this money. So I'm like fuck
Speaker 4: it and I drive away. Next thing I know, you know,
Speaker 4: Lindwood Sheriff's are pulling me up. And then oh wow,
Speaker 4: totally I didn't do it. Totally plausible. Here's the thing.
Speaker 4: He knows my record. There's it's not like he knows
Speaker 4: he's dealing with somebody who's done this before. So he
Speaker 4: doesn't know exactly what to think other than I don't
Speaker 4: look like a bank robber. That's that's one thing he's
Speaker 4: sure of. He's been the business long enough to know
Speaker 4: I don't look like it. But he's also criminals are
Speaker 4: lying sons of bitches. They will lie gratuitously, they will
Speaker 4: lie often and a lot. So that's what that was
Speaker 4: my first introduction to him.
Speaker 3: So what happened was there like an arrangement.
Speaker 4: They drive me to downtown to the federal courthouse, and
Speaker 4: while we're driving there, he says, we know who you
Speaker 4: are now. He said, mister Joel Steve, we know who
Speaker 4: you are.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: We're gonna put you in court and it's not gonna
Speaker 4: look good for you. We're at sixteen banks in County
Speaker 4: we know who you are. Believe me. I go to court. Man.
Speaker 4: They did that dramatic thing where they pull something over
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden that ah, sixteen pictures of
Speaker 4: a guy walking out of a bank and various clothing
Speaker 4: and you know the photos you've seen, and a monk,
Speaker 4: you know, and a monk, Mickey mouse shirt, plaid shirt,
Speaker 4: sue trans coat, fedora, all of it. Sixteen photos. This
Speaker 4: is the same. We're still counting your honor. We will
Speaker 4: give him bail now. We can have one hundred thousand
Speaker 4: dollars bail for two weeks. We're trying to get bail.
Speaker 4: It takes a long time to clear my my aunt's house,
Speaker 4: to put it up. It just it took a lot
Speaker 4: longer than I expected. It was almost two weeks to
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 3: And so that way, if you leave and don't come back,
Speaker 3: if you run away to Mexico or something like that, they.
Speaker 4: Have the house.
Speaker 3: She loses her home. Yeah, and so your aunt is
Speaker 3: telling you that she's going to do this. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: what are you thinking as she's telling you this?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I'm thinking, fuck this, I'm not coming back.
Speaker 4: I'll just give her money to replace the house. I'll
Speaker 4: rob enough to give a new hospital. I'm not coming back.
Speaker 4: I think. I think there's certainly. At one point I
Speaker 4: thought that, and then we get it. I get out,
Speaker 4: I make bail, and I proceed to rob five more banks.
Speaker 3: Will be right back.
Speaker 1: Part two.
Speaker 2: It takes two.
Speaker 4: Now I figure out, you know what, I'm not going
Speaker 4: to go to prison. And this is where me. I
Speaker 4: was already in an asshole. I was a bad person
Speaker 4: in society. It was just a thief. It was kind
Speaker 4: of shit. And I decided to like up my ship
Speaker 4: game by putting my aunt's house in jeopardy because my
Speaker 4: emperor house up for me to go on bail my
Speaker 4: aunt and she loved me, and I was willing to
Speaker 4: risk it. Oh I didn't care. And so what I
Speaker 4: do is I get somebody who I used to play
Speaker 4: golf with who resembled me. Person was about four inches
Speaker 4: shorter than me. And this person was desperate for money.
Speaker 4: I always took him around, always paid stuff for him.
Speaker 4: I liked having him around, and it's like, you want
Speaker 4: to eventually get something on this, and he was like yeah.
Speaker 4: And finally, when I come out of bond, I go
Speaker 4: to this guy and say, hey, listen, I'll teach you
Speaker 4: how to do this and we'll split the money. He says, really,
Speaker 4: I said yeah, but you have to do it exactly
Speaker 4: as I say. He's like sure because he's, like I said,
Speaker 4: he had seen the loads of cash I had, so
Speaker 4: to him, he's thinking thirty forty fifty thousand dollars he
Speaker 4: could be his Well, I take him to go do it,
Speaker 4: go to Orange County somewhere. He goes into the bank.
Speaker 4: After I tell him what to do, I park far away,
Speaker 4: you know, my mo He runs through the car, drive away.
Speaker 4: We're going fast. I'm all excited. He's breathing hard. It's like, whoa,
Speaker 4: this is great. I don't have to rob banks. I
Speaker 4: got a guy who can rob banks for me. We'll
Speaker 4: split the money and like, I can make some money here.
Speaker 4: And we're driving on. Finally, so how much you get?
Speaker 4: He goes, oh, I didn't get nothing. She told me no,
Speaker 4: He said she told him no, and I was like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, this guy is so bad. So I
Speaker 4: pulled over and I said, here's what happened last night.
Speaker 4: They came into your house. They went upstairs, they got
Speaker 4: your pants, they took your wallet out, they grabbed all
Speaker 4: your money. They got your money in that bank, in
Speaker 4: that teller station, is your money. You have the right
Speaker 4: to go in there and basically take your money back.
Speaker 4: You have the moral right to go to that mine.
Speaker 4: That's the way I tried to pump them up for it.
Speaker 4: So I take them to this mall where they have
Speaker 4: a bank in the on my park. He goes inside.
Speaker 4: Whatever lame thing he's putting out, people are picking it up.
Speaker 4: Apparently he was good enough to at least get some
Speaker 4: money from them, because as soon as he hits that door,
Speaker 4: he's still holding the money in his hands, and he's
Speaker 4: holding it to his chest. And when he pushes that
Speaker 4: door open, an eddie of air catches that money. The
Speaker 4: money goes flying everywhere, whirling in the air, and there's
Speaker 4: him trying to catch it out of mid air. And
Speaker 4: I look at him and I'm thinking, what a fucking idiot.
Speaker 4: So I have to drive away. And as I'm driving away,
Speaker 4: I look back and he's running and now it is
Speaker 4: a Benny Hill fucking skid. There's one dude and there's
Speaker 4: a crowd of people running after out of the bank.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh shit. So I crossed street, this big
Speaker 4: boulevard out of the parking lot, and I park and
Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, come on, and I'm looking in
Speaker 4: my rear view mare, and I see him coming. He runs,
Speaker 4: he jumps in the seat next to me, and he's
Speaker 4: so short that all they see is one person in
Speaker 4: this car. It's important to the story. I'm too far
Speaker 4: from them to catch me. I'm too far for them
Speaker 4: to even see my license plate. And it tries to
Speaker 4: come after us, but I'm in a fucking little RG seven,
Speaker 4: and I just I do sports car stad I take
Speaker 4: off and I'm going so fast down this residential street.
Speaker 4: And it's a long residential street, so I'm picking him speed.
Speaker 4: I'm going fast, and then I see a dip coming,
Speaker 4: so I break and down shift and I try to
Speaker 4: throw it down. I hit that thing going eighty and
Speaker 4: I fly in the air and when I land, I
Speaker 4: land so hard that I think my car is gonna fall,
Speaker 4: Like wow, I fall apart. It doesn't fall apart, but
Speaker 4: I know for sure my oil pan has burnt. You know,
Speaker 4: I broke it a busted and there's no way my
Speaker 4: oil pens are surviving this. I turned right and now
Speaker 4: I'm out of this residential area into another big street.
Speaker 4: So I said, get out of here, get yourself back home.
Speaker 4: He jumps out. I turn right now my car bee,
Speaker 4: I mean like I'm in danger. I jump out of
Speaker 4: my car. I cross the street back to this side
Speaker 4: of the street, and I go into Sir George's Morgas
Speaker 4: board and a cop car comes up, slows down, puts
Speaker 4: his lights on in front of my car, comes up,
Speaker 4: puts his hand on the hood. He feels his hot.
Speaker 4: There's smoke coming out of my car. And I walk
Speaker 4: right through the kitchen at the back door and I
Speaker 4: hit an alley and I start running. And I'm running
Speaker 4: down this alley because my car is busted. I'm not
Speaker 4: getting back to my car. And now they know I'm
Speaker 4: in the area, I'm running out of there. I get
Speaker 4: out of there. I have my brother picked me up
Speaker 4: in Orange County come home that night, so we I
Speaker 4: was fortunate to be driving by right when they're raiding
Speaker 4: my house. Are those cops all over my house? Are
Speaker 4: all creeping in on my house because the FBI is
Speaker 4: now going to rescind my bail. They know I had
Speaker 4: something to do with that bank. They think I actually
Speaker 4: robbed the bank, and as we drove, I could see
Speaker 4: police construng sneaking up on my house around the back gate.
Speaker 4: Turn around. I called my dad and say, hey, Dad,
Speaker 4: what's up? Because I knew my dad was close to
Speaker 4: the FBI EG and it was you know after me
Speaker 4: that kind of bonded and so what's up? He says,
Speaker 4: turn yourself in. So I turned yourself in, especially your
Speaker 4: quarters called. He said you robbed that bank. He knows
Speaker 4: you robbed the bank. I said, nope, did not rub
Speaker 4: that bank. Swear on mommy's grave. I did not rob
Speaker 4: that bank, really, I said my dad, I saw on
Speaker 4: mommy's grave. He goes, right, let me call, let me
Speaker 4: call Cordis. So Cordis tells my dad, Hey, have Joe
Speaker 4: call me. So I call him and I and he said, hey,
Speaker 4: we found your car, says Cordis. I wasn't in that bank.
Speaker 4: I didn't rie that bank. And I'm not gonna turn
Speaker 4: myself in because it took me two weeks to get
Speaker 4: bond and I don't want to wait another two weeks
Speaker 4: in there for your mistake. I was not in there.
Speaker 4: And he said, okay, Well here's I'm gonna do for you, Joe.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go look at the footage, and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: call me tomorrow and I'll tell you what I see. Now.
Speaker 4: Banks the way there, because banks are designed, they could
Speaker 4: tell how tall you are by where you are on
Speaker 4: the counter, all those little signs in the lobby. The
Speaker 4: next day, I call him and he says, you need
Speaker 4: to talk to your lawyer's Joe. He said, really, He goes, yeah,
Speaker 4: because you have a double out there. This person's like
Speaker 4: four inches shorter than you. He says, So I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna talk to you about why your cars in the
Speaker 4: area broke down, but I will not send your bond
Speaker 4: because that was not you. I said, thank you. I
Speaker 4: told you that.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. Part three, Last time Out. Joe,
Speaker 3: tell me about the last bank you ever robbed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was an Oxnard and I was a fugitive. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I'd been robbing banks on the run, and I wanted
Speaker 4: to make this money. I want to make some money
Speaker 4: to leave to my girlfriend before I left the country.
Speaker 4: So I go to Oxnard, park my car on the
Speaker 4: main road in a like a gas station parking lot,
Speaker 4: so you can't see me from the front door of
Speaker 4: the bank at all, not at all, but there's a
Speaker 4: big park. It's kind of in a mall area, and
Speaker 4: the kind of parking lot that had a lot of
Speaker 4: little islands in it. So I walk into the bank.
Speaker 4: Very simple robbery. I go in there, I rob him.
Speaker 4: I'm walking out, and as I'm walking, I turn around
Speaker 4: to walk equal distance to the front door. But on
Speaker 4: the other side outside is an armored car carrier like
Speaker 4: he's carrying cash in a bag and he's walking to it,
Speaker 4: and I can see the armor car park behind him.
Speaker 4: So I walk to it and I just keep my cool,
Speaker 4: like what the fuck, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: play it, you know, like what, I'm not gonna panic.
Speaker 4: I gotta get out of here. So I walk to
Speaker 4: the door, and I'm thinking, who's gonna open the door,
Speaker 4: Who's gonna get there first. I mean, we're good distance
Speaker 4: of wage. It gives me plenty of time to think,
Speaker 4: like I was just gonna play out. He gets the
Speaker 4: door and he opens it and he holds it for me,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, hey, thanks, and I walk right
Speaker 4: through the door. Thank you, walk away, and he walks in.
Speaker 4: I don't look behind me, but I know that as
Speaker 4: soon as he walks in. Somebody is gonna say that
Speaker 4: guy just robbed us. I don't hear it, because what
Speaker 4: I hear is just blood in my ears. Boom boom,
Speaker 4: boom boom. Because now I look at the guy in
Speaker 4: the in the armor car, and he's looking at me
Speaker 4: because he has to watch his friend's back going in,
Speaker 4: and he's looking at me. And I got sunglasses, and
Speaker 4: I'm walking on and I'm walking out with a stride,
Speaker 4: and I think he picks something up. But almost as
Speaker 4: soon as that guy gets inside the door, I take
Speaker 4: a couple of steps and then I just start booking. Man.
Speaker 4: I just start running fast as I can. I gotta
Speaker 4: get him my car. And sure enough I hear the truck.
Speaker 4: I grumble up, and I'm just running, running, running. Now.
Speaker 4: As I'm running, you know, periodically I do look back
Speaker 4: to just se where he is, and that's when I
Speaker 4: realize he can't come straight after me. He has to
Speaker 4: like drive around this island and get around this other island,
Speaker 4: like he's having a his way out of the maze
Speaker 4: of the parking lot. And I run. Now I'm across
Speaker 4: the street, and now I get to my car, and
Speaker 4: I don't feel like I'm gonna make it like I know,
Speaker 4: this thing is way closer than anything has ever been
Speaker 4: in my car. In fact, I start my car, back
Speaker 4: it up, drive away, and I got a little mas
Speaker 4: art et cent. I take out up the street and
Speaker 4: I see it come around the corner and it's picking
Speaker 4: up speed, and I'm like, this thing is has enough
Speaker 4: speed with it that it's actually catching me for a second,
Speaker 4: and then it pulls away and I go over the
Speaker 4: freeway and I'm driving back to La now and I'm
Speaker 4: driving down the road and I'm like, good, I got
Speaker 4: the money. I got away. Everything's cool. Wouldn't be till
Speaker 4: later that I realized I hadn't really got away even close.
Speaker 4: I'm on the West Side, staying at a hotel right
Speaker 4: out the full five off sunset, and I know that
Speaker 4: I want to meet my girlfriend at Ucla that day
Speaker 4: to give her some money because I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 4: go back to Mexico.
Speaker 3: That was gonna be it right, like they're gonna be.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be in the wind. So I get in
Speaker 4: my car. I'm driving down Sunset. I'm coming to Ucla
Speaker 4: the back way, and I see a motorcycle cop right
Speaker 4: behind the bushes, hiding in Like if I drive in,
Speaker 4: he's seeing who's coming in and out. And I think
Speaker 4: that's that's odd because they know that they're gonna be
Speaker 4: following my girlfriend. I'm gonna still be I'm cannier than them,
Speaker 4: right like I I'm not gonna drive in. Fuck them.
Speaker 4: They don't know how good I am. Watch this. So
Speaker 4: I drive into Westwood and I drive in a downtown
Speaker 4: Westwood park, my car inside of Parker Rodgers to no
Speaker 4: helicopter confind my car just by flying over all. I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: is okay? So what they're looking for a car? You
Speaker 4: know how many thousands of thousands of thousands of students.
Speaker 4: They're not going to find need on a haystack, right right,
Speaker 4: So I get I decided to walk into the campus.
Speaker 4: I walk into the campus. Now behind the library there
Speaker 4: they have vending machines and table, big metal tables, and
Speaker 4: it was tightly packed with students when I was there,
Speaker 4: so you know, you figure eight tables, five people per
Speaker 4: table or whatever, and there's a lot of people there.
Speaker 4: So I decided to get some coffee whatever cappuccino, and
Speaker 4: off the machine and I'm reading my Wall Street Journal
Speaker 4: and I'm looking around, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: I hear Joe, Joe Loya. I turn my left and
Speaker 4: I see this guy, you know, just milk toast, white guy, glasses, shorts,
Speaker 4: you sell a sweatshirt. But I don't recognize them. So
Speaker 4: I just turned back to my newspaper, Joe Joe, and
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, he realizes I'm that and he's
Speaker 4: trying to catch her in. I don't look again. I
Speaker 4: don't look, but I realize, oh shit, I'm fun this.
Speaker 4: I might be fucked. And at that moment, I feel
Speaker 4: somebody like behind me, not him, he's still over there,
Speaker 4: and I feel this person behind me, so I jump up.
Speaker 4: I throw my chair back, and this person grabs my
Speaker 4: wrist with one hand and the back of my elbow
Speaker 4: with another, like you just try to try to control me.
Speaker 4: And he's now on me. He jumps on my left
Speaker 4: and I'm hitting him. He's like, FBI, you're under wrest
Speaker 4: and I'm listening for other FBI agents to come, so
Speaker 4: it'd be like, oh, Dad, get your hands up, you know.
Speaker 4: And I'm not hearing any running, I'm not hearing any screaming,
Speaker 4: and just you know, instinctively I realize this is me
Speaker 4: and them. I'm just pummeling him, pummelling him, pumbling him,
Speaker 4: and I feel his grip start to loosen. So I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: oh man, this is I think I can get away.
Speaker 4: I'll go into a building. I'll go to the third floor.
Speaker 4: I'll jump on a roof on the way out and
Speaker 4: go to you through the bathroom, go to you like
Speaker 4: I'm gonna run around. He os help us. We're the FBI.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't know. These people, stay out
Speaker 4: of it. And I realized I sound stupid as soon
Speaker 4: as I say it, Like, of course to the FBI.
Speaker 4: These aren't just like a woman and a man jumping
Speaker 4: out a guy saying their FBI. This has to be
Speaker 4: serious and it may be confused to them, but they
Speaker 4: know in this scrimmage, I'm.
Speaker 3: The bad guy.
Speaker 4: The students or whoever, the other students who are all
Speaker 4: around me, right, there's and there's there's a group of them.
Speaker 4: There's you know, it's that big area back there. I'm
Speaker 4: just beating the ship out of it at this point,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I just I can't move.
Speaker 4: They all the kids just jump want me, these boys,
Speaker 4: just these guys, and I'm swarmed and my hands are
Speaker 4: on my side because I can no longer pummel, I
Speaker 4: can't swing, I can't do nothing. They're all trying to
Speaker 4: grab me. And then I feel cock click and they
Speaker 4: tie me up, handcuff me, and I'm just the whole time,
Speaker 4: Fuck you, motherfucker. Goddamn sounds a bitch of just I
Speaker 4: was so angry because I knew I'm caught. I'm never
Speaker 4: getting bail again. I'm gonna have to go do time.
Speaker 3: And that was it.
Speaker 4: And that was it. Man, they got me, They got me.
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