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Speaker 1: Joe Loyer has agreed to answer our questions, so please

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Speaker 1: them in the comments on Spotify or Apple. Thank you. Hello,

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Speaker 1: there is Steve Fishman from Orbit Media. And this is

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Speaker 1: Get the Money and Run. You're going to love today's

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Speaker 1: episode five. It's the beginning of something, and that beginning

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Speaker 1: starts with Joe surrounded shouting at a crowd stay out

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Speaker 1: of it. Well spoiler alert, that doesn't happen. Okay, over

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Speaker 1: to Ben.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to The Burden season four, Get the

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Speaker 2: Money and Run, I'm bender and this is episode five,

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Speaker 2: two too many.

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Speaker 3: Joe tell me about the money? What was it like

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Speaker 3: having all that money?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so one time I had fifty thousand dollars in

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Speaker 4: a sports bag underneath my bed and I decide, you

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Speaker 4: know what I want to see with this money? Looks

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Speaker 4: like I was stacked out. I would periodically I take

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Speaker 4: on my bed. So i'd count all the money. I'm excited,

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Speaker 4: like that's fifty thousand plus. And then I was like,

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Speaker 4: well fuck it. So I slide it all around the

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Speaker 4: bed and move it all and I may assume my

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Speaker 4: whole bed's money. And it's not a lot of money, like,

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Speaker 4: it's not thick, it's not like I'm you know, it's

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Speaker 4: like a pillow of money. But it's enough to spread

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Speaker 4: and I decide I'm gonna do that cheesy thing where

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Speaker 4: you lie down in it, like you've seen in every

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Speaker 4: movie or a TV show where people were like, get

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Speaker 4: all this money. You know, I've been raised poor. It's

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Speaker 4: a lot of fucking money to look at. And so

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Speaker 4: I lie down on it. I'll fall flat on it,

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Speaker 4: Very quickly, I started realizing, ah, shit, I think I

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Speaker 4: stepped on shit because I smell shit in my room,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, now, I do that like a

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Speaker 4: real pungent, fucking craps, like someone chunk of deuce right there.

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Speaker 4: So I get up and immediately I look at the

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Speaker 4: what is that smell of shit? Man? I can't find it,

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Speaker 4: and it's driving me crazy, and I'm smelling my fingers

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Speaker 4: and I realized, oh, oh, it's a little faint something

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Speaker 4: all around it, and like, oh fuck, yes it's the money, man,

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Speaker 4: the money. Just people wipe their ass and they go

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Speaker 4: and they pull money out and they just their hands.

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Speaker 4: There's a dirty, fuck grubby hands on all this money.

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Speaker 4: Imagine all the people whose greasy hands have been on

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Speaker 4: this thing. Right, it smells like someone dumped a grumpy

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Speaker 4: this money's gross. It was surprising. Man, money stinks. Money

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Speaker 4: fucking stinks. Part one?

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Speaker 3: Who me after all those banks? I'm sure you've been

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Speaker 3: wondering how far can one bank ropper go. It starts

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Speaker 4: So a couple of interesting notes about this bank. One,

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Speaker 4: I was able to rob two women that day, where

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Speaker 4: The other interesting thing about here is that into this bank,

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Speaker 4: I wore two sweatshirts to bulk me up, to make

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, cool, I just dodged a bullet. All

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Speaker 4: and I'm thinking, I'm good because I don't look like

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Speaker 4: the guy who walked out of that bank. In fact,

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Speaker 4: as soon as I feel the helicopter's overhead, I open

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Speaker 4: So all that to say, and I'm driving, I'm driving

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Speaker 4: just parked, and then as I would drive past them,

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Speaker 4: they would join a crowd growing, crowded cop cars behind me,

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Speaker 4: I'm just relaxing, just taking my time, being easy. And

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Speaker 4: know as I'm driving there's now fifteen twenty cars behind

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Speaker 4: me it's me. They've isolated me. And there's a car

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Speaker 4: I caught another car pulls up to my right to me.

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Speaker 4: Like? Is it No?

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Speaker 3: They're just following all right.

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Speaker 4: Then the guy pulls up to the right of me,

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Speaker 4: and then he pulls behind and now they're all following me.

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Speaker 4: And then the hell cops in front of me, and

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Speaker 4: he starts going low and they put their lights on

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Speaker 4: and the yell pull over. So I feel like, okay,

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Speaker 4: this is a racist rush to judgment, you know, because

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, I'm gonna fucking fight this in court because

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Speaker 4: why are they stopping me. There's no reason to stop me.

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Speaker 4: They just targeted a Mexican dude. That's the way I'm

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Speaker 4: not going anywhere. Helicopters on the road in front of

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Speaker 4: And the helicopters are going He's shut the fuck out,

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Speaker 4: put your hands behind your head, and I'm like, why

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Speaker 4: And that takes the fuck and the whole time he's

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Speaker 4: giving me instruction is to walk back, to walk to

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Speaker 4: my arms out, to get on my knees, to all forward. Everything.

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Speaker 4: I keep interrupted, why did you stop me? Because I'm

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Speaker 4: I feel them running at me and I'm laid out

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Speaker 4: they jump on me, and they're they're like mad at me,

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Speaker 4: and I feel guns on me, I feel knees on me.

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Speaker 4: They're grabbing my hands and trumping them and one guy

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Speaker 4: grabs my head now remember, and they're on me. I'm

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Speaker 4: trying to pull my arms back and I'm not resisting.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm fucked right. So he pulls my head

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Speaker 4: leans into my ears says, you want to know why

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Speaker 4: we stopped you, cocksucker. We stopped him from being ugly

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Speaker 4: and ro walk so and you know what, I'm thinking, like,

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Speaker 4: that's kind of fucking clever. This sms a bitch, that's

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Speaker 4: kind of fucking clever. So I'm seated there and they

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Speaker 4: a cup car. They now approached my car where the

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Speaker 4: There's just someone in there. They don't know. And when

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Speaker 4: They open the door, they reach in the back, they

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Speaker 4: pull out the bag, and they hold up the bag

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Speaker 4: of money like a price fish and he says, got it.

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Speaker 4: And I look at it, and the guy says to me,

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Speaker 4: with the transmitter and the money. They bring the two

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Speaker 4: I am standing on the sidewalk and then make them

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Speaker 4: of my eyes that their heads were saying, no, that's

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Speaker 4: not the guy, right. So I knew I had play.

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Speaker 4: I knew that these women did not recognize me as

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Speaker 4: half hour. So they can only arrest me for possession

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Speaker 4: of stolen property.

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Speaker 3: So, but you're arrested. You were taking to LA share

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Speaker 3: station not too far away in Lynnwood, California. What was

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Speaker 3: your plan. This time.

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Speaker 4: I'm in a holding cell with other criminals. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: oh fuck, I know what to do. Boom all right

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Speaker 4: again the phone, Paul, give it of all photos of

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Speaker 4: my house. Like, I feel like they have guys gonna

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Speaker 4: go to my house and they're gonna get photos and

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Speaker 4: against thee all my friends, against these photos of me,

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Speaker 4: and they're gonna compare the photos of me to the

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Speaker 4: don't want to match from any of them at all.

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Speaker 4: I say, get all my photos out of the house

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Speaker 4: and get whatever cash you can find in the house

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Speaker 4: and go take it at Gloria and have him come

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Speaker 4: down here and bail me out. So I got twelve

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Speaker 4: get bailed on, way to get bailed in that time.

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Speaker 4: I get pulled out of the holding cell. I got

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Speaker 4: special agent Quarters, puts a notebook down, opens it up,

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Speaker 4: and he just starts to ask me questions. What's your name,

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Speaker 3: So what happened was there like an arrangement.

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Speaker 4: They drive me to downtown to the federal courthouse, and

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna put you in court and it's not gonna

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Speaker 4: They did that dramatic thing where they pull something over

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Speaker 4: and you know the photos you've seen, and a monk,

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Speaker 4: is the same. We're still counting your honor. We will

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Speaker 4: It takes a long time to clear my my aunt's house,

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Speaker 3: And so that way, if you leave and don't come back,

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Speaker 4: Have the house.

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Speaker 3: She loses her home. Yeah, and so your aunt is

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think I'm thinking, fuck this, I'm not coming back.

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Speaker 4: I think. I think there's certainly. At one point I

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Speaker 4: Now I figure out, you know what, I'm not going

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Speaker 4: I always took him around, always paid stuff for him.

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Speaker 4: And finally, when I come out of bond, I go

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Speaker 4: After I tell him what to do, I park far away,

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Speaker 4: We're going fast. I'm all excited. He's breathing hard. It's like, whoa,

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Speaker 4: this is great. I don't have to rob banks. I

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Speaker 4: And we're driving on. Finally, so how much you get?

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Speaker 4: They came into your house. They went upstairs, they got

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Speaker 4: You have the moral right to go to that mine.

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Speaker 4: That's the way I tried to pump them up for it.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, oh shit. So I crossed street, this big

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Speaker 4: I'm like, come on, come on, and I'm looking in

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Speaker 4: Like wow, I fall apart. It doesn't fall apart, but

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Speaker 4: I know for sure my oil pan has burnt. You know,

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Speaker 4: I broke it a busted and there's no way my

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Speaker 4: So I said, get out of here, get yourself back home.

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Speaker 4: I mean like I'm in danger. I jump out of

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Speaker 4: There's smoke coming out of my car. And I walk

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Speaker 4: Turn around. I called my dad and say, hey, Dad,

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Speaker 4: that kind of bonded and so what's up? He says,

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Speaker 4: turn yourself in. So I turned yourself in, especially your

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Speaker 4: quarters called. He said you robbed that bank. He knows

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Speaker 4: you robbed the bank. I said, nope, did not rub

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Speaker 4: that bank, really, I said my dad, I saw on

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Speaker 4: I didn't rie that bank. And I'm not gonna turn

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Speaker 4: in there for your mistake. I was not in there.

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Speaker 4: And he said, okay, Well here's I'm gonna do for you, Joe.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go look at the footage, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: next day, I call him and he says, you need

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Speaker 4: because you have a double out there. This person's like

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Speaker 4: gonna talk to you about why your cars in the

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Speaker 4: area broke down, but I will not send your bond

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Speaker 4: because that was not you. I said, thank you. I

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Speaker 3: We'll be right back. Part three, Last time Out. Joe,

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Speaker 3: tell me about the last bank you ever robbed.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it was an Oxnard and I was a fugitive. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'd been robbing banks on the run, and I wanted

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Speaker 4: to leave to my girlfriend before I left the country.

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Speaker 4: So I go to Oxnard, park my car on the

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Speaker 4: main road in a like a gas station parking lot,

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Speaker 4: so you can't see me from the front door of

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Speaker 4: the bank at all, not at all, but there's a

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Speaker 4: big park. It's kind of in a mall area, and

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Speaker 4: the kind of parking lot that had a lot of

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Speaker 4: little islands in it. So I walk into the bank.

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Speaker 4: Very simple robbery. I go in there, I rob him.

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Speaker 4: I'm walking out, and as I'm walking, I turn around

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Speaker 4: to walk equal distance to the front door. But on

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Speaker 4: the other side outside is an armored car carrier like

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Speaker 4: he's carrying cash in a bag and he's walking to it,

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Speaker 4: and I can see the armor car park behind him.

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Speaker 4: So I walk to it and I just keep my cool,

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Speaker 4: like what the fuck, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna

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Speaker 4: play it, you know, like what, I'm not gonna panic.

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Speaker 4: I gotta get out of here. So I walk to

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Speaker 4: the door, and I'm thinking, who's gonna open the door,

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Speaker 4: Who's gonna get there first. I mean, we're good distance

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Speaker 4: of wage. It gives me plenty of time to think,

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Speaker 4: like I was just gonna play out. He gets the

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Speaker 4: door and he opens it and he holds it for me,

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Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh, hey, thanks, and I walk right

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Speaker 4: through the door. Thank you, walk away, and he walks in.

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Speaker 4: I don't look behind me, but I know that as

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Speaker 4: soon as he walks in. Somebody is gonna say that

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Speaker 4: guy just robbed us. I don't hear it, because what

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Speaker 4: I hear is just blood in my ears. Boom boom,

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Speaker 4: boom boom. Because now I look at the guy in

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Speaker 4: the in the armor car, and he's looking at me

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Speaker 4: because he has to watch his friend's back going in,

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Speaker 4: and he's looking at me. And I got sunglasses, and

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Speaker 4: I'm walking on and I'm walking out with a stride,

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Speaker 4: and I think he picks something up. But almost as

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Speaker 4: soon as that guy gets inside the door, I take

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Speaker 4: a couple of steps and then I just start booking. Man.

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Speaker 4: I just start running fast as I can. I gotta

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Speaker 4: get him my car. And sure enough I hear the truck.

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Speaker 4: I grumble up, and I'm just running, running, running. Now.

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Speaker 4: As I'm running, you know, periodically I do look back

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Speaker 4: to just se where he is, and that's when I

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Speaker 4: realize he can't come straight after me. He has to

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Speaker 4: like drive around this island and get around this other island,

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Speaker 4: like he's having a his way out of the maze

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Speaker 4: of the parking lot. And I run. Now I'm across

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Speaker 4: the street, and now I get to my car, and

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Speaker 4: I don't feel like I'm gonna make it like I know,

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Speaker 4: this thing is way closer than anything has ever been

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Speaker 4: in my car. In fact, I start my car, back

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Speaker 4: it up, drive away, and I got a little mas

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Speaker 4: art et cent. I take out up the street and

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Speaker 4: I see it come around the corner and it's picking

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Speaker 4: up speed, and I'm like, this thing is has enough

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Speaker 4: speed with it that it's actually catching me for a second,

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Speaker 4: and then it pulls away and I go over the

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Speaker 4: freeway and I'm driving back to La now and I'm

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Speaker 4: driving down the road and I'm like, good, I got

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Speaker 4: the money. I got away. Everything's cool. Wouldn't be till

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Speaker 4: later that I realized I hadn't really got away even close.

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Speaker 4: I'm on the West Side, staying at a hotel right

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Speaker 4: out the full five off sunset, and I know that

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Speaker 4: I want to meet my girlfriend at Ucla that day

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Speaker 4: to give her some money because I'm gonna I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: go back to Mexico.

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Speaker 3: That was gonna be it right, like they're gonna be.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be in the wind. So I get in

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Speaker 4: my car. I'm driving down Sunset. I'm coming to Ucla

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Speaker 4: the back way, and I see a motorcycle cop right

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Speaker 4: behind the bushes, hiding in Like if I drive in,

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Speaker 4: he's seeing who's coming in and out. And I think

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Speaker 4: that's that's odd because they know that they're gonna be

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Speaker 4: following my girlfriend. I'm gonna still be I'm cannier than them,

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Speaker 4: right like I I'm not gonna drive in. Fuck them.

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Speaker 4: They don't know how good I am. Watch this. So

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Speaker 4: I drive into Westwood and I drive in a downtown

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Speaker 4: Westwood park, my car inside of Parker Rodgers to no

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Speaker 4: helicopter confind my car just by flying over all. I'm thinking,

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Speaker 4: is okay? So what they're looking for a car? You

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Speaker 4: know how many thousands of thousands of thousands of students.

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Speaker 4: They're not going to find need on a haystack, right right,

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Speaker 4: So I get I decided to walk into the campus.

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Speaker 4: I walk into the campus. Now behind the library there

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Speaker 4: they have vending machines and table, big metal tables, and

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Speaker 4: it was tightly packed with students when I was there,

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Speaker 4: so you know, you figure eight tables, five people per

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Speaker 4: table or whatever, and there's a lot of people there.

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Speaker 4: So I decided to get some coffee whatever cappuccino, and

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Speaker 4: off the machine and I'm reading my Wall Street Journal

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Speaker 4: and I'm looking around, and then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 4: I hear Joe, Joe Loya. I turn my left and

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Speaker 4: I see this guy, you know, just milk toast, white guy, glasses, shorts,

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Speaker 4: you sell a sweatshirt. But I don't recognize them. So

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Speaker 4: I just turned back to my newspaper, Joe Joe, and

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00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, he realizes I'm that and he's

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Speaker 4: trying to catch her in. I don't look again. I

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Speaker 4: don't look, but I realize, oh shit, I'm fun this.

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Speaker 4: I might be fucked. And at that moment, I feel

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Speaker 4: somebody like behind me, not him, he's still over there,

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Speaker 4: and I feel this person behind me, so I jump up.

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Speaker 4: I throw my chair back, and this person grabs my

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Speaker 4: wrist with one hand and the back of my elbow

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Speaker 4: with another, like you just try to try to control me.

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Speaker 4: And he's now on me. He jumps on my left

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Speaker 4: and I'm hitting him. He's like, FBI, you're under wrest

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Speaker 4: and I'm listening for other FBI agents to come, so

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Speaker 4: it'd be like, oh, Dad, get your hands up, you know.

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Speaker 4: And I'm not hearing any running, I'm not hearing any screaming,

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Speaker 4: and just you know, instinctively I realize this is me

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Speaker 4: and them. I'm just pummeling him, pummelling him, pumbling him,

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Speaker 4: and I feel his grip start to loosen. So I'm thinking,

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Speaker 4: oh man, this is I think I can get away.

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Speaker 4: I'll go into a building. I'll go to the third floor.

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Speaker 4: I'll jump on a roof on the way out and

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Speaker 4: go to you through the bathroom, go to you like

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna run around. He os help us. We're the FBI.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, I don't know. These people, stay out

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Speaker 4: of it. And I realized I sound stupid as soon

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Speaker 4: as I say it, Like, of course to the FBI.

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Speaker 4: These aren't just like a woman and a man jumping

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Speaker 4: out a guy saying their FBI. This has to be

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Speaker 4: serious and it may be confused to them, but they

548
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Speaker 4: know in this scrimmage, I'm.

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Speaker 3: The bad guy.

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Speaker 4: The students or whoever, the other students who are all

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Speaker 4: around me, right, there's and there's there's a group of them.

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Speaker 4: There's you know, it's that big area back there. I'm

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Speaker 4: just beating the ship out of it at this point,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I just I can't move.

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00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: They all the kids just jump want me, these boys,

556
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 4: just these guys, and I'm swarmed and my hands are

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00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 4: on my side because I can no longer pummel, I

558
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: can't swing, I can't do nothing. They're all trying to

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Speaker 4: grab me. And then I feel cock click and they

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00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: tie me up, handcuff me, and I'm just the whole time,

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Speaker 4: Fuck you, motherfucker. Goddamn sounds a bitch of just I

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Speaker 4: was so angry because I knew I'm caught. I'm never

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Speaker 4: getting bail again. I'm gonna have to go do time.

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Speaker 3: And that was it.

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Speaker 4: And that was it. Man, they got me, They got me.

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