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Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylie Shore and this is too much

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Speaker 1: to say be question it out you. So my song

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Speaker 1: Amy is out everywhere. I've been waiting on this for

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Speaker 1: not very long at all, actually, because I only wrote

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Speaker 1: a song like a month ago and it blew up

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Speaker 1: on TikTok has over two million views, and you guys

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Speaker 1: watching and responding to it are the reason why I

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Speaker 1: got to record this song, why I got to put

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Speaker 1: it out, and why I got to work with my

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Speaker 1: all time favorite producer. And it just blows my mind.

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Speaker 1: So his name is Butch Walker. I think I probably

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Speaker 1: talked about him on the podcast just because I just

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Speaker 1: adore his music so much. Um, anyone who knows me

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Speaker 1: knows how obsessed I am with him. His artist project

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Speaker 1: is incredible and his really influenced my music over the years.

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Speaker 1: But he also produced, um, Everything Has Changed on Red

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Speaker 1: by Taylor Swift. He produced and wrote My Happy Ending

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Speaker 1: by Avril Levine. He did the New Green Day record.

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Speaker 1: He's worked with Fallout Boy and Panic at the Disco

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Speaker 1: and all of these amazing artists that have inspired me directly,

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Speaker 1: and so it's been very cool to get to work

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Speaker 1: with him. He did a lot of stuff with Pink.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just been a dream come true. And

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Speaker 1: I had such an amazing time making the song with him.

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Speaker 1: Our work styles are so compatible, and I was so

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Speaker 1: afraid that I would go in there and he'd be

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Speaker 1: twenty times or something like that, because that's not how

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Speaker 1: I prefer to work. And going in and meeting my hero,

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Speaker 1: I was like, h um, okay, like let's I just

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Speaker 1: it was almost like too good to be true that

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Speaker 1: we work exactly the same way. So we did like

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Speaker 1: three takes of the vocal, he played all the instruments

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Speaker 1: on it, and I'm just could not be more happy.

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Speaker 1: I feel like it sounds more like me than anything

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Speaker 1: else I've ever done, and I'm so excited I did now.

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Speaker 1: As amazing as all of that is, uh, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of complicated because this song is different than other ones

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Speaker 1: I've put out, and I don't even really know where

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Speaker 1: to start. So basically, I'm going to do this podcast

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Speaker 1: so I can't address all of the questions I've seen

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Speaker 1: in the comments are gotten from people or things I

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Speaker 1: want to clarify, and then I'm not really going to

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Speaker 1: do any interviews about this song. I'm doing like maybe

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Speaker 1: two or three. I did one with Bobby and that's

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Speaker 1: the first time I've ever had to like tell somebody, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to talk about this, I'm not going

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Speaker 1: And they were great. Bobby is amazing, and um I

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Speaker 1: had a lot of fun on the Bobby Cast last week.

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Speaker 1: But I wanted to be able to use this platform

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Speaker 1: that I have with my podcast too address the song

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Speaker 1: and its inspiration and talk about it and have complete

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Speaker 1: control because I think this song can get off track

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Speaker 1: really quickly when people are talking about it, which I

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Speaker 1: think is part of why it's spicy. But I need

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Speaker 1: to be very clear when I talk about where this

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Speaker 1: song came from. So I wrote the song about one

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Speaker 1: of the if not the worst thing a friend has

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Speaker 1: ever done to me. And Amy was not my best friend,

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Speaker 1: but we were really close. Um. We trying to leave

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Speaker 1: out how she is. There's been many, many guesses, but

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Speaker 1: good friends with Press Hilton. I've known him since I

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Speaker 1: And she had been like, Hey, do you think you

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Speaker 1: could send this song to him? And I'm sure we

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, for sure, and then I

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Speaker 1: something one time, but I was like, I am over him,

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Speaker 1: because I want him back. It hurts because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's gonna take some time to get over that. And

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Speaker 1: the same thing goes for Amy. And truthfully, this is

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Speaker 1: not a song about my ex boyfriend. He is a

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Speaker 1: The problem was not what he did to me by

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Speaker 1: blaming the woman in this situation. I think it's really

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Speaker 1: um when people get mad at the girl that he

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Speaker 1: Like that's fucked up. She doesn't owe you anything, nobody

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Speaker 1: The we broke up, he got physically violent, and that

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Speaker 1: So that's pretty much all I really have to say

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for being supportive. I felt

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Speaker 1: much for listening. My name is Kaylie Shore. This is

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Speaker 1: too much to say, question, shout, turn it out of you. Yeah,