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Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and Each week on Beyond Contact,

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Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in ufology, discuss some of

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Speaker 3: the classic cases, and bring you the latest information from

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Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Beyond Contact, I Captain Ron, and today we're

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Speaker 3: speaking with Mutual UFO Network State Director of Southern California,

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Speaker 3: Earl Gray Anderson. Earl's also a member of the MUFON

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Speaker 3: Star Team and executive Committee member of Muffon's Experiencer Resource Team.

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Speaker 4: Yes, he has personally investigated over a thousand alleged UFO

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Speaker 4: reports and he specializes in these experiencer high strangeness cases.

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Speaker 4: He spoke last year at Contact in the Desert and

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Speaker 4: it's always great talking with him.

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Speaker 5: How you do, and Earle, I'm doing quite well, Ron,

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Speaker 5: How are you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great. Man. We're getting ready for the Contact

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Speaker 4: of the Desert show this year.

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Speaker 5: You've got your hands full. I mean, you've been putting

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Speaker 5: out the list of speakers and stuff. I follow you guys,

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Speaker 5: you know, and it's looking good.

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Speaker 4: So he got a really great lineup and it's going

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Speaker 4: to be a lot of fun this year. So Earl listen.

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Speaker 4: I've been pretty much officially immersed in this community for

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Speaker 4: about eleven years now, and I'm very, very skeptical of

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Speaker 4: us ever getting to a real, true, big D disclosure

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Speaker 4: from the government, but I have to acknowledge that right now,

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Speaker 4: it does feel to me like there seems to be

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Speaker 4: coming out, we have George Knapp speaking about it, Jeremy

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Speaker 4: Corbel thinks something's coming, Steve Bassett of course, and we

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Speaker 4: just had Ross Colhart do his special with another new whistleblower,

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Speaker 4: and he says more are to follow as well. You've

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Speaker 5: I am happy to see all the people that are

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Speaker 5: coming forward. I'm all for big D disclosure if it happens.

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure if we're going to get the sort

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Speaker 5: People are going to have to be made so they

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Speaker 5: I mean, I believe that there's been some questionable acts

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Speaker 5: probably longer than eighty years. You know, the Roswell crash,

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Speaker 5: To me like the secret is so widespread now and

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Speaker 4: Hey, what do you think about this recent news Nation

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Speaker 5: You know, historically there have been many orbit or egg

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Speaker 5: note of sadness. I've heard those exact words you in

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Speaker 6: In the past.

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Speaker 5: There are things that I think are questionable.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to make a yay or nay statement

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Speaker 6: Going to call it a hoax.

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Speaker 4: It feels like it's getting you know, more cloudy as

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think that there, you know, there are

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Speaker 5: I don't think I think that they probably are putting

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Speaker 5: I think that in some ways they probably want to

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Speaker 5: muddy this field because again I think that the you know,

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Speaker 5: There's things they don't want to talk about. They certainly

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Speaker 5: don't want to say that this is a technology that's

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Speaker 5: don't think they want to talk about abductions and visitations,

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Speaker 5: you know. And there was a CIA report that came

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Speaker 5: Military industrial complex. My mom said, they will never tell

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Speaker 5: kind of chaos happening worldwide. My mom mentioned it could

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Speaker 5: Those were the three. I guess my mom was quoting

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Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt about it. Your mom was at Hughes Aerospace,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my mom worked for Hughes back in the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 5: When I was five years old. Well, I had this

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Speaker 5: Nobody told me to do it or taught me to

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Speaker 5: I think that she wanted me to know it's crazy.

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Speaker 4: Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Ron. We're talking to Earl Gray

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Speaker 4: Anderson from Moufon. Earl, is there any relationship as far

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Speaker 5: like an affiliate or something like that, No, MOFON is

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Speaker 5: for Movefon. No field investigator is paid to do what

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Speaker 5: we do. It's all for love of the phenomenon and

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Speaker 5: our personal curiosity. You know, there's a bunch of people

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Speaker 5: I was kind of skeptical in some ways when I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know, you can't really get away

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Speaker 4: That's good to see. When we come back, we're going

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Speaker 4: more difficult. You're listening to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 4: back on Beyond Contact. I'm Captain Rohn. We're speaking with

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Speaker 4: Earl gray Anderson today. Hey, Earl, the role of artificial intelligence.

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Speaker 4: I'm seeing how AI now is getting really, really good,

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Speaker 5: Well, you know, the AI animation and stuff is certainly

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Speaker 4: Fun. So, hey, earl, do you have any thoughts personally

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Speaker 5: I tend to lean towards the interdimensional theory that that's

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Speaker 5: Seems like most really you know, serious researchers eventually end

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Speaker 5: going on. And you know, he makes a very good

437
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 5: art for his you know, well, yeah, UFOs are real

438
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 5: and the beings are real, but they're actually you know,

439
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 5: they're being created by this this core intelligence that spans

440
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 5: the galaxy. And I guess they've recently found plasmic clouds

441
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 5: between us and the moon that we're quite substantial. So yeah,

442
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 5: there's a lot of theories out there, and I try

443
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 5: not to be you know, I try to be open

444
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 5: minded about this stuff. It's part of my job, absolutely,

445
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 5: and it's.

446
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: Very very complicated, and we're dealing with an unknown so

447
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 4: it's even more difficult. And even disclosure itself, I feel,

448
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 4: is not as simple as a press conference saying, hey,

449
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 4: we've got UFO craft and aliens right here. You know

450
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 4: who's behind it? Is it just the US government? Is it?

451
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 4: Black budget, unacknowledged programs in our government? Is it you

452
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: know all these other things like you're mentioning. You know,

453
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: there's so many layers to this that I don't think

454
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 4: many people real lies. Certainly outside this community. They think

455
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 4: it's a very simple thing, and it's not. I think

456
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 4: a lot of the reason some of these government officials

457
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 4: come out and don't say they don't know anything is

458
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 4: because they don't know anything. I think these guys are

459
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 4: have plausible deniability. They don't tell them. So that's what

460
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 4: they put in charge of Arrow, so that he could say, yeah,

461
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 4: there's nothing to it. We're not getting the right guy, you.

462
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:29,920
Speaker 5: Know, exact a mundo. I don't know if they would

463
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 5: know what to disclose to do disclosure, And I don't

464
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 5: think that this is all being generated by our black projects,

465
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 5: by our government either. By the way, because UFO sidings

466
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 5: go back historically to the Roman times. They call them

467
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 5: flying shields, and there was no CIA, NSA, DARPA or

468
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 5: anything like that back two thousand years ago.

469
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 4: How about the art they have where they're yes, pictures

470
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 4: in the corner of a little UFO with a guy

471
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 4: sitting there driving it. That's compelling. How do they love

472
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: it not long ago?

473
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 5: Well, you know, there's good excuses, you know, and was

474
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 5: saying that it was an illustration of the sun and

475
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 5: the moon being flow, you know, in the Renaissance painting.

476
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 6: But I don't know it.

477
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 5: The excuses just pile up, and it seems like, you know,

478
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 5: a game of django. It's just toppling as they try

479
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 5: to keep putting these bricks on top of it. I

480
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 5: think disclosure, to me, it already happened. I mean, my

481
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 5: feeling is that we are disclosure when we go out

482
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 5: and we talk like we're talking right now intelligently scientifically,

483
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: but being open minded like we are, that is disclosure.

484
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 5: And the people that are gonna get it are going

485
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: to get it. And the people that it sceers or

486
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 5: just feel offended by it, they're never going to believe this.

487
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 5: I mean, who is going to do a disclosure for us?

488
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 5: We don't have a Walter Cronkite anymore.

489
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Speaker 6: I don't know who they would have do this.

490
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 5: Then maybe this is the way that it works, you know.

491
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think this is the first rodeo

492
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 5: for our visitors. I think that this is a process.

493
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 5: There may be something sort of like the Star Trek,

494
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 5: you know, prime directive. It seems like, you know, a

495
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 5: learning process for us. I noticed that experiencer, especially in military,

496
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 5: they all get the same three messages. Nuclear weapons are evil,

497
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 5: they will destroy civilizations, So don't try it. Stop trashing

498
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 5: your world. You only get one. It's not a replaceable resource.

499
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 5: And better yourselves, raise your vibration, live on a higher frequency.

500
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 5: Those are the three messages. It's like a trifecta of

501
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 5: message that and I hear these from Navy personnel, I

502
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 5: hear it from pilots, I hear it from you know,

503
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 5: one guy that has ninety engineers working on him. I'm

504
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: not going to mention the aerospace company. He had visitors

505
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 5: come through his wall, the little Gray guys, and this

506
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 5: was the three messages he was given. You know, he's

507
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 5: probably working on nuclear warheads and stuff.

508
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 4: We're going to take a break here. Earl will come

509
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 4: back though. When we come back, we're going to talk

510
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Speaker 4: with Earl about his thoughts on this recent UFO drone

511
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 4: sworm sightings we've been seeing the last couple of months

512
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 4: here and much much more. Of course, we're listening to

513
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM

514
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:51,959
Speaker 4: Paranormal podcast network. Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron. We are

515
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: back on Beyond Contact. We're speaking with Earl gray Anderson. Earl,

516
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Speaker 4: I think starting about November eighteenth of last year, we

517
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 4: started hearing about these reports of UFO dron sworms. First

518
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 4: it was in New Jersey, then it kind of spread

519
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: up the coast, and then it even came out to

520
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: the West coast. Then it sort of died down. But

521
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 4: again the last couple of days I've heard some reporting

522
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 4: of different settings. Again, So what is your take on

523
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 4: these the drones?

524
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Speaker 5: The best explanation that I've seen so far was John

525
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: Greenwald posted this on X about a month ago. I

526
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 5: think it was when the New Jersey swarms were kind

527
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 5: of you know, mainstream news, and he posted a There

528
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 5: was a previous post by a gentleman who worked for

529
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 5: a company that made he claimed that they made these

530
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 5: drones and what he's said, and the guy's providence looked

531
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Speaker 5: really good.

532
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 4: You know.

533
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 5: Everything that he said was just, you know, it made sense,

534
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 5: had the reign of truth to it. And you know

535
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 5: Greenwald's he's he's very good at being skeptical, but he

536
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 5: thought it was good enough to post. What this gentleman

537
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 5: said was he said that the DoD requested I believe,

538
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 5: and maybe he put an extra zero in it, but

539
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty thousand of these drones. Maybe he

540
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 5: meant eighteen thousand, But I don't know.

541
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Speaker 6: I'm not the DoD. I don't know what they need.

542
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: He said that they are the size of an SUV

543
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 5: because of the payload is very heavy. He said that

544
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 5: what these are, they're dirty bomb sniffing, gamma ray sniffing

545
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 5: drones that were created specifically to respond to dirty terrorist threats,

546
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 5: and apparently we get quite a few of them. I mean,

547
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 5: I do have a contact in Homeland Security, and he

548
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 5: told me, we get threatened all the time. Earl, if

549
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 5: the public knew, if you knew what I deal with,

550
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 5: you wouldn't sleep at night. You know, the dirty bomb

551
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 5: threats are a real thing.

552
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 4: Now.

553
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Speaker 5: This guy said that his company that they created these drones,

554
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 5: that they had the three light configure that you're seeing

555
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 5: on all of these, and that they were first sent

556
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 5: to Ukraine when Russia made a dirty bomb threat to Ukraine.

557
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 5: Then they were sent to Israel after the Palestinian conflict.

558
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 5: But I believe that this is probably the best answer

559
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 5: I've heard for these drones.

560
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 6: Now.

561
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 5: I've noticed that they're always near military bases, or they're

562
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 5: near large public gatherings or sensitive areas. For instance, I

563
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: have one guy that lives near Plant forty two in

564
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 5: Palmdale who's been putting in muffan reports because he sees

565
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 5: these drones every night. He must be in the flight path.

566
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 4: Now.

567
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Speaker 5: Plant forty two is owned by Lockheed and Norfolk Grumman,

568
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Speaker 5: and it is one of the most secure sites in

569
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Speaker 5: the United States, maybe more secure than Area fifty one.

570
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 5: And I've had many drone reports in that area. But specifically,

571
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 5: this guy's had good video good photos, always the same

572
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 5: three light configuration, and I believe they're surveilling in that

573
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 5: area very carefully, and they probably should. You know, I'm

574
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,479
Speaker 5: glad that we have a way to respond to these

575
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 5: threats because we do have enemies.

576
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Speaker 4: Earle, I agree one hundred percent. I think that's the

577
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 4: best explanation we've heard for these drones is that they

578
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: are these military drones that are ours that are looking

579
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: for possible nuclear material or dirty bombs. In the very

580
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: beginning of the story, we heard that some nuclear material

581
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 4: went missing, and then it went away. We didn't hear

582
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: that anymore. But these don't seem to be et craft.

583
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: They don't seem to be an adversary because we would

584
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: take them down. It's not just hobbyists because they're much

585
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 4: much bigger, they stay up longer, and they have the

586
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: ability to go to areas where hobbyist drones can't go.

587
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 4: So yeah, they probably wouldn't want people to panic, as

588
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 4: you just inferred that people would if we were in

589
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 4: fact checking for dirty bombs and nuclear materials. So all

590
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 4: of this makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense

591
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 4: to me is the official White House statement that just

592
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 4: came out saying that the drones that were flying over

593
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 4: New Jersey in large numbers were authorized to be flown

594
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 4: by the FAA for research and various other reasons, and

595
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 4: we've never had this before. All of a sudden, that's

596
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: when they decided to do that. So I think that

597
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 4: that really puts as the best explanation.

598
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too. But now you have to remember that

599
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 5: our visitors are very interested in our propensity to destroy

600
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 5: ourselves and nuclear waste and nuclear any kind of nuclear weapon,

601
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 5: I think you know, sounds an alarm for them. So

602
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 5: it doesn't surprise me if people would see actual EUFOS

603
00:35:56,000 --> 00:36:01,240
Speaker 5: anomalist craft around these sort of drone swarms that people

604
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:01,760
Speaker 5: are seeing.

605
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,280
Speaker 4: I completely agree.

606
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 5: Anyway, I haven't heard a better explanation than that myself.

607
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 4: So now you said that you have experienced synchronicity. After

608
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 4: you had your experience, I am a huge fan of

609
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: synchronicity and would like to know what your take on

610
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 4: what synchronicity is.

611
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 5: It's a meaningful coincidence and a lot of contact ees

612
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 5: and abductees bull that have had anomalous contact experience synchronicities.

613
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 5: It seems like magic sometimes. The way it works for

614
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 5: me is that I'll be thinking about, like, you know,

615
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 5: I'll mention names, even maybe Whitley Strieberg. Okay, I've been

616
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 5: wanting to meet the Gentleman. I've spoken with him on

617
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 5: the phone before, but I'd never really had a time,

618
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 5: you know, to actually kind of touch base and talk

619
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Speaker 5: with him. I was invited to a dinner meeting with

620
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 5: Peter Robbins, who was in town. He didn't say that

621
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 5: he had invited somebody else. It was Peter and Greg

622
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 5: Bishop well In walks Whitley Strieber and sits down across

623
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 5: from me. That was a synchronicity. It was wonderful and

624
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 5: was but it happens all the time. I would be

625
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 5: surprised if it didn't.

626
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 4: Hey, Earl, aren't you also writing a book, The Gray Files?

627
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,240
Speaker 6: I think, yes, I am.

628
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's going to be called The Gray Files. It's

629
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Speaker 5: going to be probably half case reports and half personal anecdotes.

630
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 5: I'm going to have a kiss report and then a

631
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: personal anecdote case report. And I have like a lot

632
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 5: of interesting stories, like the first time I went out

633
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 5: on a field investigation that was actually in the field.

634
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 5: It was close to an air Force site, but it

635
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 5: was apparently a secretive air Force site. It was a

636
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 5: torpedo testing ground, but there was a UFO siding that

637
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 5: was quite significant. There were three different witnesses too, that

638
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,799
Speaker 5: were very close to the object, and one who was

639
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 5: about four miles away who was a former Air Force

640
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 5: pilot and he independent put in a case about this

641
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 5: object as well. So I went out there and I

642
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 5: did a really good investigation.

643
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 4: You know.

644
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 5: It involved a full sized flying saucer hovering over a house.

645
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 5: Began with two women chasing these orb shaped red UFOs

646
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 5: across town. It was like a seeing Close Encounters of

647
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 5: the Third Guide, but that happened in real life. I

648
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 5: really fear myself at this case. I put a lot

649
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 5: of effort into it. I was out taking theodolite photos

650
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 5: where the women saw these two orbs hovering doing a

651
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 5: falling leaf motion over this mountain, and I was obeying

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Speaker 5: the warning signs no trespassing. It was federal land. But

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Speaker 5: apparently somebody didn't like the fact that I was taking

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Speaker 5: after taking the photos. This was in Azusa, California, I

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Speaker 5: might mention, and I'm driving on this little two lane

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Speaker 5: and when all of a sudden, two military vehicles. They

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Speaker 5: were cut like low slung hummers. No license plates, not

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Speaker 5: even the US government license, no license plate whatsoever. So

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Speaker 5: I had an escort out of town.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 6: I called up my then.

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Speaker 5: State director, Jeff Krause. I was very freaked out. I

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Speaker 5: was like, does this happen to people? I mean this,

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Speaker 5: It's like, no, no, it doesn't. Well, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: open the book with that. I figure you start with

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Speaker 5: an earthquake and build from there. I just have to

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Speaker 5: find time this year. You can find me at socalmofon

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Speaker 5: just Earl Gray on Facebook, but you know, all my

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