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Speaker 1: What's up Its way up with Angela Yee. I'm Angela

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Speaker 1: Yee and Jasmin from the Jasmine.

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Speaker 2: Brand is here. Yes, and we have two great guests

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Speaker 2: with us.

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Speaker 1: We got the iconic fab By Freddie is here with us.

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Speaker 3: Happy to be here, Nice to see you.

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Speaker 2: And doctor Brandon McNeill. I'm gonna call you iconic as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, icon She's a Deputy director of Digital Literacy, Workforce Readiness,

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Speaker 1: so the education es L and cultural programs that's for

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Speaker 1: the New York Public Library. It's a lot of titles, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: tell me about it, a lot of work to do.

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Speaker 1: Y'all know I don't play about my New York Public Library, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I actually always talk about the importance of the New

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Speaker 1: York Public It's not just for going and reading books.

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Speaker 2: There's so many other services that are offered.

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Speaker 4: So many other services.

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Speaker 5: I was just telling fab we actually have four studios

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Speaker 5: now within our library where people can come in, you

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Speaker 5: can record music, you can do podcasts, maet meats. We've

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Speaker 5: got all types of resources for everything.

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Speaker 6: So that's dope some of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some of the kids there actually interviewed me for

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Speaker 1: their podcast and for the Yeah, I came by for

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Speaker 1: the fire Freddy at the Schomberg, you actually have your

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Speaker 1: items all immortalized there.

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Speaker 3: So the Schomberg acquired my stuff for a big archive

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Speaker 3: of things that I've kept over the years that I

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Speaker 3: wasn't even I never even thought of it as any

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Speaker 3: specific value. It's just you know, when you move from

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Speaker 3: place to place, you get rid of stuff you don't want,

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Speaker 3: and then you said, this is what I'm keeping. And

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Speaker 3: those were a lot of magazines, The Source and this

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Speaker 3: and things, notebooks, and then a lot of digital media,

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Speaker 3: a lot of VHS tapes and a lot of audio

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Speaker 3: cassette tapes, tapes of your MTV wraps and all this

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Speaker 3: stuff that I just it was my stuff that I

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Speaker 3: always envisioned. Hire some college kids to transfer this stuff

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Speaker 3: so I be able to access it. And then there

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Speaker 3: was a had dealt and dealing archives and would place

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Speaker 3: archives from different people in hip hop, and I was curious.

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Speaker 3: I thought you needed to have hundreds of flyers and

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Speaker 3: all kinds of paper ephemera. But when he came and

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Speaker 3: saw what I had, he was like, oh my god, amazing,

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Speaker 3: and he started talking to the Shamberg. So they're quieted.

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Speaker 3: So it's great honor. A lot of stuff had went

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Speaker 3: to Cornell University that this archival broker had placed, and

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Speaker 3: I thought, well, yeah, maybe Cornell, you know, but it's

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Speaker 3: right in my neighborhood of Harlem that they've been digitizing

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Speaker 3: a lot of it, and the pandemic slowed that down.

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Speaker 3: So soon they'll be finished and they'll be exhibits and

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Speaker 3: lots of stuff will be on display at points going forward,

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Speaker 3: which is where this image comes from my library car,

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Speaker 3: which was stuff in my archive, and they had this

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Speaker 3: great idea.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a great idea.

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Speaker 5: So we knew that in partnering with Queens Brooklyn pub Libraries,

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Speaker 5: we wanted to make sure that we presented hip hop

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Speaker 5: and so when we were thinking about it, we said,

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Speaker 5: we need a library card, but we want a limited edition.

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Speaker 4: What do we want to do?

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Speaker 5: And we knew what we had in our collection and

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Speaker 5: we wanted the icon in it.

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Speaker 4: So that's how we ended up doing the wild style.

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Speaker 2: There. It is.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well celebry, that's dope.

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Speaker 1: Yeah listen, and I've made y'all sent me like four

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Speaker 1: of them. So it was a fight up here. But

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Speaker 1: people can go online and get it right. You can

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Speaker 1: go and digitally sign up for it and then pick

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Speaker 5: Sign We've already thirteen thousand have already been issued.

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Speaker 3: Out of fifty thirteen thousand, Yes, out of fifty thousand.

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Speaker 3: I was told of fifty.

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Speaker 2: And we say limited means limits.

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Speaker 5: So what happens after the fifty is a and they

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Speaker 5: are collectives idea. I mean obviously you can still use

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Speaker 5: them to do everything at the library, but they are

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Speaker 5: definitely a collective.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's the best library card around.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's kind of dope.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, it's very fiftieth anniversary of hip hop. You guys

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Speaker 1: have been doing a lot ba by Freddy. You've been

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Speaker 1: doing so much it's never stopped for you.

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Speaker 3: It's been a blessing. So there's a lot of work

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I want to let's just because you were

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Speaker 1: the first ever host of your MTV rap Yes I was. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so you said some of those will be digitized

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Speaker 2: What's working with that?

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Speaker 3: So what it is is, you know, in the beginning

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Speaker 3: of your MTV RAPS cable was still a kind of

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Speaker 3: a new thing. Raps went on the eighty eight, so

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Speaker 3: a lot of Manhattan was wired. But I'm from Bedstar Brooklyn,

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Speaker 3: and Brooklyn Bedstar wasn't fully wide yet. I used to

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Speaker 3: have to get I had it in my contract. I

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Speaker 3: so they could see what I'm doing, like look, I'm

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Speaker 3: like really, And so that just became. Every week I'd

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Speaker 3: like a whole lot of tapes. You know, we we

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Speaker 3: that critical you know, golden era of hip hop. So

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Speaker 3: this is gonna be a lot of great content.

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Speaker 1: Oh I cannot wait. I want to I want to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna digitize and then they're gonna have it

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Speaker 3: interviews with a whole array of people. The only stuff

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Speaker 3: that I get to access are things that people have

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Speaker 3: there'll be something different will pop up and I'll be like, oh, man,

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Speaker 3: I forgot this show and I haven't seen this in

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Speaker 1: So I mean listen, you have some of the most

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Speaker 1: iconic interviews, and at the time that you're doing things,

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Speaker 1: you don't even know in the future what that will

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Speaker 1: turn out to be. You did Tupac's first ever interview.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I was looking at that too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the first time I interviewed Pac. Actually, it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: It was a clever idea we came up with. I

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Speaker 3: like to say, he was filming the movie Juice, So

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Speaker 3: so we interviewed. I interviewed Tupac, and then we wait

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Speaker 3: the film. But I interviewed Pac several times, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of the pivotal people that define the kind of

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Speaker 3: greatest era of hip hop made their television debut, national

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Speaker 3: television debut on your TV raps. So a lot of special.

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Speaker 7: Memories all the times that you interviewed Tupac.

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Speaker 6: Do you have many memorable moments?

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Speaker 3: Man, it was a lot. Tupac was always interesting. So

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Speaker 3: another time later before he got with Death Row, he

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Speaker 3: everybody in the studio that was Cooglio mc breed and

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Speaker 3: he ends up with a rhyme about me and your

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Speaker 3: MTV raps. But later in that episode, we are outside

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Speaker 3: I don't think this had ever been made public that

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Speaker 3: that was caught up in a famous trial, which was

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Speaker 3: first time he'd ever talked about that. Because it was

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Speaker 3: Tupac before he really blows up and he breaks it

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Speaker 3: down very succinctly and clearly where he comes from and

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Speaker 3: how he was about that life, aware of the struggles

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Speaker 3: that the Black Panthers had been fighting, and they were

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Speaker 3: thing that the Black Panthers did was feed kids breakfast school.

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Speaker 2: Let's not forget that.

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Speaker 3: And they whipped it into a frenzy. But Tupac was

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Speaker 3: really brilliant and he had great answers. He was sharp

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to think about it right back then

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Speaker 1: to get on your MTV reps, was you made it?

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Speaker 1: Because that was not an easy process. How did you

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Speaker 3: Well, basically a big part of what made your MTV

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Speaker 3: two great producers rest in Peace, Peter Doughty and Ted Demi,

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Speaker 3: two white dudes that two cool dudes that loved hip hop,

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Speaker 3: and they understood that I had made some moves already.

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Speaker 3: I was deeply embedded in the culture, having been a

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Speaker 3: part of making hip hop's first feature film, Wild Style.

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Speaker 3: So they said, man, hey, fab And if there was

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Speaker 3: I'd listen and I say, oh, yeah, this is no question,

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Speaker 3: this is the bomb. But sometimes they would slide me

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Speaker 6: Like, uh uh.

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Speaker 3: But essentially, but essentially, what our idea was to find

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Speaker 3: a great thrilled to travel to South Central to interview

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Speaker 3: you Compton and show you the Swap Me and do

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Speaker 3: the same thing in different hoods around the country.

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Speaker 1: Now, Doctor Brandon McNeill and Jazz and I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: both of y'all, do you remember the first hip hop

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Speaker 7: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I think the first one that I remember really knowing

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Speaker 4: And Pepper's Push It.

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Speaker 1: That one for me was like, okay, I've got that

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Speaker 1: damn pat okay, So what about you?

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Speaker 7: Ja okay?

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Speaker 6: Okoj I need love?

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Speaker 2: Really?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels later, I know, that's that's my truth.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your son, you know what's crazy.

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Speaker 1: When I was young, I remember they had when they

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Speaker 1: were like Sandy Dough and they had it did a

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Speaker 1: diss song right to the UTFO crew.

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Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

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Speaker 1: And that was way early on because Push it was

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Speaker 1: a little later. But Tramp I remember, I remember, I

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Speaker 1: remember yeah, yeah, yeah, Tramp, and I remember the video

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Speaker 1: and they had tramps right across the guy's faces.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: I remember super Sonic.

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Speaker 2: JJ Fast Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It was another big one for me. Adds Oh. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: The thing is, some of those those songs are such

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Speaker 3: Let's show us as artists, the music connected all together.

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Speaker 5: So we have been celebrating fifty years of hip hop

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Speaker 2: So you guys also have like the fifty books I think.

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Speaker 4: We want to get out there and doing a.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Bob though, I'll do a little bad but we

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Speaker 2: What did you think you were going to do in

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Speaker 3: Schwartzman Building, I'd go to the Metropolitan Museum. So I

442
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Speaker 3: got very comfortable with health talk right essentially, and so

443
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Speaker 3: the idea of making art, being an artist, it all

444
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 3: became something big in my mind. And then I began

445
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Speaker 3: to figure out, well, how could I make moves and

446
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Speaker 3: get myself into this space, which was not anything typical

447
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Speaker 3: for a young black kid Daddy twenty twenty one to

448
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Speaker 3: figure out how to get into the art world. But

449
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 3: making the moves that I made, connecting with people on

450
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Speaker 3: the downtown scene, punk rock, new wave, blondie, people that

451
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Speaker 3: were doing things in culture like hurt my ideas and

452
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,240
Speaker 3: they said, we like what this is, we like the

453
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Speaker 3: way this sounds. Come on and let's make it happen.

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Speaker 1: And you've also been very innovative in the space of cannabis, yes,

455
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Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that we talk about

456
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Speaker 1: that too, because cannabis and hip hop is so closely

457
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Speaker 1: into as well, and it is also something that used

458
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Speaker 1: to be frowned upon, but now politicians are involved. Everybody's

459
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out the most conservative people how they

460
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Speaker 1: can make money and profit off as something that has

461
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Speaker 1: really been detrimental to our community and that really has

462
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Speaker 1: caused people to really go to jail, separated from their families,

463
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Speaker 1: and now it's like, okay, how are we going to

464
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Speaker 1: get involved?

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Speaker 3: So what I did was you write and cannabis has

466
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Speaker 3: been a part of my life a long time. My

467
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Speaker 3: dad was a cannabis, a Fictionado. He was close to

468
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Speaker 3: the jazz scene, so it was in the house. As

469
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Speaker 3: a kid, I knew it was a no not to

470
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Speaker 3: talk about that because it had this heavy like, you know,

471
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Speaker 3: you can go to jail basically. So a few years

472
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Speaker 3: ago I had the idea to make a film. You know,

473
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Speaker 3: I'm a filmmaker as well as a visual artist, So

474
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Speaker 3: I made a film called Grasses Greena you can see

475
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Speaker 3: it on Netflix right now, and it's about the history

476
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Speaker 3: of cannabis. But I also got into the cannabis's connection

477
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Speaker 3: to America's music. So from the beginnings of jazz, people

478
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Speaker 3: like Louis Armstrong, Fats while of the rates that built

479
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,960
Speaker 3: jazz were all cannabis of Fictionados. And it turns out

480
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 3: every cutting edge form of music, cannabis was a big

481
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Speaker 3: part of it, up to hip hop and people like

482
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Speaker 3: Snoop and Cypress Hill and method Man and Redmen. Most

483
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Speaker 3: of these people debuted on my show, and they became

484
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Speaker 3: cannabis's biggest advocates. I made this film to show those connections,

485
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Speaker 3: show the history, and then also look at the criminal

486
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Speaker 3: justice night now of people of color being disproportionately criminalized

487
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Speaker 3: for a plant that, by the way, has killed no one,

488
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Speaker 3: but it's listed on the federal criminalization chart equal to heroin.

489
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Speaker 3: So that's being unraveled. People are learning that it's plant medicine.

490
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Speaker 3: It's beneficial. Some of the things that people get prescribed

491
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Speaker 3: opioids for cannabis is proven to aid those people. So

492
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Speaker 3: that led me to start a cannabis brand called be

493
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Speaker 3: Noble in the name of the brother that I feature

494
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Speaker 3: in my films, a black man from Louisiana that was

495
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Speaker 3: given a thirteen year sentence for two joints. His name

496
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Speaker 3: is Bernard Noble. We name the brand after him. I

497
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Speaker 3: partner with Cure Relief, the biggest cannabis company, and so

498
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Speaker 3: we're in nine states and a lot more to come.

499
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Speaker 3: We take care of Bernard Noble, and we also donate

500
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Speaker 3: ten percent of what we earn to organizations helping fix

501
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Speaker 3: the harm cause to people disproportionately criminalized for cannabis.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 1: I love that because I feel like so many people

504
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Speaker 1: are trying to get in this business, but those are

505
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Speaker 1: the same people that used to be so against it, right,

506
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Speaker 1: And so I like to see people so true that

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Speaker 1: I want to support right who have brands that are

508
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Speaker 1: doing good for our community and that have been advocates

509
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Speaker 1: from the beginning. And so I think that's important that

510
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Speaker 1: people understand what the brands are, who represents those brands

511
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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: True. And it's also fascinating to be in New York

513
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,879
Speaker 3: and when you see grasses greener if you have and

514
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Speaker 3: I focus on a lot of the cannabis laws and

515
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Speaker 3: what has happened and people had victimizing disproportionately people of color,

516
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Speaker 3: disproportion arrested, criminalized, etcetera. Here in New York. Now, New

517
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Speaker 3: York has the most progressive cannabis legislation in the country

518
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Speaker 3: and a lot of progressive folks trying to do the

519
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Speaker 3: right thing. So the first people getting licenses in New

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Speaker 3: York City are those that have been victimized by cannabis

521
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Speaker 3: laws and have been in the system for selling a

522
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Speaker 3: little weed or possessing. Those are the first ones who

523
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Speaker 3: are trying to aggressively fixed the problems that have been

524
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Speaker 3: caused and once again disproportionately affected folks of color, and

525
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Speaker 3: the potential business wise is humongous.

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Speaker 1: All marijuana is not created equal either. Smoked with a

527
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Speaker 1: couple of people that I'm like, whoo yeah that kk okay,

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Speaker 1: where's Khalifa's brand? Have you ever had an incident where

529
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Speaker 1: you smoked and you had no idea who you were,

530
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Speaker 1: what was going on.

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Speaker 3: No, I've never been that high. But sometimes with edibles

532
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Speaker 3: and stuff, you have to be careful because the edibles

533
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Speaker 3: can be strong. And some of the crazy cannabis stories

534
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Speaker 3: that have been relating to people eating one too many

535
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,640
Speaker 3: edible gummy cookies and then when it comes down like

536
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: it is wild. Yeah, but once again I like to emphasize,

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Speaker 3: no one has died from use of this incredible plant,

538
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Speaker 3: even with the overdose on edibles, so you know, watch

539
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Speaker 3: out for them edibles.

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Speaker 6: But yeah, for sure, you.

541
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Speaker 2: Know, take it off, be very cautious and you take

542
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Speaker 2: because you know some people would be like, I don't

543
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Speaker 2: feel it yet. Take another one.

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Speaker 3: That I love. It's crazy, but it's really just great

545
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 3: learning about the different cannabinoids, the various elements in the planet.

546
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Speaker 3: Because of the heavy restrictions on cannabis. We've barely scratched

547
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Speaker 3: the surface on all the other potential elements. Like we

548
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:51,479
Speaker 3: now we know about CBD, which can be extracted and

549
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Speaker 3: grown to just to have no mental effects, just to

550
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Speaker 3: effect like the TC. Yeah, all the thac has been

551
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Speaker 3: down to nothing thing and the effects of CBD which

552
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 3: can help people, even seniors that have aches and pains.

553
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: CBD has proven to be helpful. But there's a lot

554
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Speaker 3: more that once it's hopefully federally legalized or we are,

555
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 3: it's allowed to be studied more thoroughly, we can get

556
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 3: more of the benefits out of this special plant. It's

557
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 3: really plant power and a.

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Speaker 1: More fact by Freddie things because if he doesn't have

559
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Speaker 1: enough going on from everything you heard just now, as

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Speaker 1: far as being a filmmaker, being an artist, being a host,

561
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Speaker 1: you know, being all the things that you do, right,

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Speaker 1: can we see at the Schaumberg some of the artwork

563
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Speaker 1: that you have so well, that's.

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Speaker 3: A good well, you got good questions, Angela. When it's

565
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Speaker 3: time to have an exhibit, I'll gladly lend them. There

566
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Speaker 3: were no physical works of art as a part of

567
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Speaker 3: the things that the Chamberg did acquire. But to give

568
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Speaker 3: a full view of you know, creatively what I do.

569
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Speaker 3: I'll definitely lend work so that if you know, if

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Speaker 3: they've got photos and other things, I'll show them some.

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Speaker 1: Dabbled in an NFT space too, right, I'm.

572
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Speaker 3: Aware of NFTs. I've owned Crypto since twenty fourteen when

573
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 3: but when the NFT thing popped off during the pandemic,

574
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Speaker 3: I knew it was going into a hype cycle, so I.

575
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Speaker 2: Wanted to slow.

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Speaker 3: Down a bit, let those people that have been making

577
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 3: digital art, that have been dabbling in that get that

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00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 3: thing off. And now that NFTs are becoming a lot

579
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Speaker 3: more normalized, I'll definitely ease in at some point because

580
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Speaker 3: I knew, I mean, this is transformational stuff going on

581
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: in different aspects of tech. So okay, yeah, I'm definitely

582
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Speaker 3: going to have my footnose waters as well? Are you?

583
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Speaker 2: Doctor Brandy can help it that, that's.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, because I mean, this is some of the stuff

585
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Speaker 5: that we've been doing at the library.

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Speaker 1: Shall you know.

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Speaker 4: We've had a cheat.

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Speaker 5: Talks because we wanted to make sure that people in

589
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Speaker 5: our communities had the opportunity to understand what it is,

590
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 5: how do.

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Speaker 4: You get involved with it?

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00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: We've done digital art classes to help people to learn

593
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Speaker 5: how to do it, so we've been dabbling in that.

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Speaker 5: We also have a business center so people who are

595
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Speaker 5: trying to get their businesses started and whatever it might be. Yes, yes,

596
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 5: can definitely come to our businesses and we help you

597
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Speaker 5: do all of that.

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to hear all. The next level tell

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Speaker 3: you they have that.

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Speaker 1: So for the young adults is starbros Narco's the Foundation Library.

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Speaker 1: That Foundation Library, they have a whole floor. That's first

602
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Speaker 1: of all, it says there's a sign it's like if

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00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: you are over this age, you're not allowed down here.

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Speaker 1: So it's a very young kid, yeah, but it does.

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00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: It has a podcast studio, it helps you with video editing.

606
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,239
Speaker 1: They have classes to teach these kids how to do

607
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: these things, which I think is amazing and it's free.

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Speaker 4: So yes, are you having we do it?

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Speaker 6: Are you actively creating art now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes, I make art now. The recent series of

611
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Speaker 3: paintings that I showed that a big street art exhibit

612
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: in London deal with the subject of black pirates, which

613
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 3: during the time of the seventeenth century, when you know,

614
00:29:54,880 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 3: the slave trade is booming and European empires are becoming

615
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Speaker 3: super wealthy off the backs of slave labor, sugar cane

616
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,479
Speaker 3: production in the Caribbean islands. It was all moving around

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Speaker 3: on ships, and many pirates did not like the idea

618
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Speaker 3: of the monarchy, and some also were against slavery. So

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Speaker 3: when they would capture slips a third of pirates in

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Speaker 3: that period, during the Pirates of the Cribman, we African descent.

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Speaker 3: Movies would never tell us that because you you wouldn't know.

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Speaker 3: So I made a series of paintings that look at

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Speaker 3: those and I'm also developing this as a theatrical project.

624
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Speaker 3: So if you go on my Instagram, which I don't

625
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: post a lot, but I look at everything that's going

626
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,959
Speaker 3: on on Instagram, I've got a little clip of some

627
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Speaker 3: of these paintings. And the title of this body of

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Speaker 3: work was Black Pirates Return, because I want to tell

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Speaker 3: that short so I show you what some black pirates

630
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Speaker 3: look like. There's not a lot of history, but just

631
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 3: like certain things that we did in times of history,

632
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: we're not thoroughly documented or recorded. But once we know

633
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 3: that this happened, we can let our imaginations paint the

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Speaker 3: pictures in and so that's what I'm doing with my work,

635
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 3: and I'm going to develop this as a theatrical project

636
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 3: which is in the works now and I'm talking to

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00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 3: some folks that are very excited about it. But it's

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Speaker 3: just so that's something that I'm really excited about in

639
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 3: terms of my subject matter for making art, and it's

640
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 3: just part of what I gotta do. I mean, I

641
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 3: got to keep on making it.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it amazing to have lived your life doing the

643
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: things that you care about and you're passionate about.

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00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 3: Oh yes, it's been a blessing that is truly a blessing.

645
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: And the way you phrase it, just to do the

646
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: things that I that I love and I care about

647
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: and to be able to pay the bills, it's been.

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Speaker 3: It's been special now.

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Speaker 1: Truly like a cultural icon for us. And I do

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you for coming through, Doctor Brandy McNeil. I

651
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Speaker 1: don't know if you guys let people know again, where

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Speaker 1: can they find out information? How can they get this

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Speaker 1: wild Style limited edition library card?

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Speaker 4: Go to y p L dot org, slash hip hop.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: And that five? Freddy?

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Speaker 1: I mean, can you post some more Instagram please? We

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Speaker 1: need you to.

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Speaker 3: I will post a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: Just I have so many great things that people need

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Speaker 1: to see.

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Speaker 2: I just think you know that is going to need more.

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Speaker 2: We need more.

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Speaker 3: I'm bringing it to you. I'm also in early stages

666
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 3: of working on my memoir. I've got to collaborate. I'm

667
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 3: going to work with and uh so, I've got a lot.

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Speaker 3: I want to lay it out in detail. It might

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00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 3: even be need to be a two volume memoir.

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.

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Speaker 3: I want to tell I got some stories to tell.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm sure there's some stories that you have

673
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Speaker 1: never left.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be able to read.

675
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Speaker 3: I want to lay it all out.

676
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: You are around everything and every different genre. Maybe not

677
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Speaker 1: country but no.

678
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Speaker 3: But you know, part of my thing is I grew

679
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 3: up in like a jazz household. So my dad and

680
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: Max Roach the drama with childhood friends and so a

681
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 3: bunch of smart guys that were connected to cutting edge culture.

682
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: They'd be at my house as a kid growing up.

683
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Speaker 3: And as I've grown up and become an adult, I

684
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 3: realized how much of that rubbed off on me, especially

685
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 3: some of the things that they wanted to do but

686
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 3: weren't able to do at that time. Max Roach and them,

687
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 3: those guys wanted to run their own labels. They wanted

688
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 3: to be able to control that narrative in that time,

689
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 3: the forties, the fifties.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't happening.

691
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: It wasn't happening. So a lot of that I think

692
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 3: affected the moves I made and what I do and

693
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: how I do it.

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Speaker 1: And even parents who were supportive of your creativity because

695
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: of how they were surrounded with people and how creative

696
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: they were too, exactly so some people would have been like,

697
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Get that music out of here.

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Speaker 3: That's a very good point, Angela. And they were very

700
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Speaker 3: open minded to the things I was doing. And then

701
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 3: Max Roach was as well. He wanted to come and

702
00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: see what are you doing, And I was like, you know,

703
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: he wanted to hear about hip hop and listen to it.

704
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 3: And Miles Davis, who Max was very close with, was

705
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: very curious about hip hop as well, and new music.

706
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 3: You know, he left classic jazz and then went into

707
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 3: jazz rock and did a whole new thing back then

708
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 3: in the early seventies, and he was watching hip hop closely.

709
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 3: And the last album Miles Davis made, released posthumously a

710
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 3: little after his death, was a hip hop jazz collaboration

711
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 3: called Dobop produced by Eazy Mobi.

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Speaker 2: We love that. Listen and I just want to ask

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Speaker 2: you one last thing.

714
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: How important since we're talking about history here, do you

715
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: think it is now for these artists, these younger artists

716
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: to know their history, because some of them feel like,

717
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: you know, we're doing our own thing. It's evolved and

718
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: leave us alone and just support what the next generation

719
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: is doing. But sometimes you feel like, look, at least

720
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Speaker 1: know what came before you.

721
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Speaker 2: What are your thoughts on that.

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00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 3: I think that's exactly right. Artists should know and it's

723
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 3: so easy. I was one of those kids that spent

724
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 3: a lot of time at the library. So back in

725
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: that era, if you wanted to learn about what happened

726
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 3: in previous eras you went to books, some library, we've

727
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 3: had records that you could take out, put the headphones

728
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: on and listen to this era of kids. All of

729
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 3: this information, everything that happens just a few clicks away,

730
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 3: So you could click around and click in and google

731
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 3: Wikipedia will take you right to a lot of basic

732
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: overviews of a lot of this stuff that happened. And

733
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: it's important to understand that so that you can know

734
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,839
Speaker 3: where we've been. So you could when that road, that

735
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 3: fork in the road comes up in your life, in

736
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 3: your young life. You can see which way to go

737
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: and how to navigate. GPS is even a few clicks away.

738
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: There's so many tools. There's really no excuse, you know,

739
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 3: to not be on your game and understand some of

740
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 3: the histories. And it's a lot of fun too.

741
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Some of my favorite artists are the ones that

742
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: have you can tell that they have kind of been

743
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: inspired by just some of the older artists and the

744
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: artists that came before them.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's really important. Use these tools to advance yourself.

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Speaker 5: That's why it's so important at the library about the

747
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 5: banned books, right to make sure that people can get

748
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 5: access to the history.

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Speaker 3: Great point. There's some crazy people in different parts of

750
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 3: the country that literally are trying to ban books band education.

751
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: Can people from Florida get a New York Public Library?

752
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 2: They can't come here and go to the library.

753
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Speaker 4: They can Okay, Yeah, they can definitely come here and

754
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Speaker 4: do it.

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00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Can they come here? It's access.

756
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Speaker 1: We got you guys, Okay, got you Florida.

757
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 2: He's so good at this.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean he's a pro.

759
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Speaker 1: So yeah, Well, Thank you, Fab five Freddie, we really

760
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: do appreciate you. Doctor Brandy McNeill always appreciate you too.

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Speaker 2: Thank you