1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: Mourning. Everybody is j n V. 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 2: Charlamagne the God. We are to Breakfast Club. We got 3 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: some special guests joining. 4 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: Us this morning. 5 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, we got Ryan Coogler and Peter Nicks. 6 00:00:10,119 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 3: Welcome fellas, Thanks for having feeling feeling good, feeling good. 7 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, happy, Happy to be invite new documentary anthem. 8 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I've long felt like the national anthem, like 9 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:25,119 Speaker 1: most things in America, need to be changed to represent 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: the world we currently live in. Clearly y'all felt the same, 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: which is which is why the doc. 12 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 3: Was created, right absolutely, I mean, I think we're in 13 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: a time right now where we're examining our identity, you know, 14 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: searching for our identity, trying to express it in different ways, 15 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: and there's a lot of collisions in how we express 16 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 3: those identities, and that the moment felt right to to 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 3: inquire and to go a little bit deeper on you know, 18 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 3: the history of that song and also the opportunity to 19 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: imagine what an anthem would be like for today that 20 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: reflects the American story. 21 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: What made you dive deep into the anthem? Right Because 22 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 2: we're in school, you learn it, you don't really think 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: much of it. This was very knowledgeable because it's where 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: the origin came from. When you're a student, they don't 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: teach you origin. They just say sing it, you know 26 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: what I mean? So what made y'all dive deep into 27 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: actually understanding learning and to even discuss this. 28 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 3: I've been looking at a couple of projects that we're 29 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 3: examining this collision between patriotism and protests, and obviously we're 30 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: seeing it in the headlines every day. I've always wanted 31 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 3: to make a music talk number one, and the Anthem 32 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: seemed like a perfect stage to examine the American voice 33 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 3: in the American the American story, and also this notion 34 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 3: that music does bring us together and that maybe a 35 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 3: project using music as an exploration of the American story 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: could in some way reflect some idea of optimism in 37 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 3: this difficult time that we're in right now. 38 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm learning that, you know. I guess stand up comedy 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: is such an inspiration for creative minds like yourself, because 40 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: Anthem seems to be rooted in a bit from Roy 41 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Woods Junior. And then y'all walked in and y'all said, 42 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: y'all was out last night watching Chappelle and Chris Rock, 43 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: So what is it about comedy that that sparks those seeds. 44 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,799 Speaker 4: I don't know. I think personally, I think like stand up. 45 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: Is probably like the highest form of storytelling with like 46 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: a high degree of difficulty, as you know, but it's 47 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 5: also a forum where you can, you know, where you 48 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 5: can ask you can ask questions and that and Roy 49 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 5: is brilliant man, he was, he was he hosted our 50 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 5: uh our after party. But that bit is that bit 51 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 5: is kind of incredible, like like for some reason in 52 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 5: that setting they can ask questions and kind of make, 53 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 5: you know, kind of make criticisms playing, you know, And 54 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 5: he was and he was asking you if if you 55 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 5: know what you know it's based off it's based off 56 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 5: of this you know, it's not even it's not even 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 5: an American tune, not even American songs based off a 58 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 5: British drinking So I didn't know that the film. 59 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 2: That's said, it's so knowledge that we learned so much 60 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: about the film. Yeah, and what made what made you 61 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 2: be a part of this film? 62 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 1: You don't is the stand upoint for us? 63 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 5: We Yeah, I think I think standard like when you laugh, 64 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 5: when you have a natural reaction, times just nervous, you 65 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. 66 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,800 Speaker 4: Sometimes like man I can't believe this person just said this. 67 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 4: You know, it was a lot of that last night. 68 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 5: But but but but at the same time, like like oftentimes, 69 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 5: it's like a it's like a recognition of something, you 70 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 5: know what I mean, and someone storytelling and that and 71 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 5: that and that bit is just it just leads, you know, 72 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 5: if you watch the film, and leads right into you know, 73 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 5: right into it, right into the story. How I got involved. 74 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 5: Pete and I met uh in Oakland over ten years ago. 75 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 5: I was making a film called Fruville. It was Fruitville 76 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 5: then now it was Fruvilleland. 77 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: Bro It all comes. 78 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 5: Back though, shape I mean, I mean, pe got three 79 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 5: movies about the actually four now about this about the Bay. 80 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 5: He got a Steph Curry doc coming out next next month, the. 81 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: Second greatest player of all time. But we'll talk about 82 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: that later. 83 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 3: Second we could talk. 84 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 5: We could talk all that, man, I mean, you know, 85 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 5: that's that's that's yeah, that's that's a nice ranking for him. 86 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 5: But but but we met. We met then he was 87 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 5: making a dog called The Waiting Room, which is about 88 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 5: Highland Hospital, which is which is a you know, a 89 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 5: massive hospital in East Oakland that has a Trauma Award 90 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 5: you know. And it was actually the hospital where where 91 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 5: Oscar Grant rest in peace, where he where he was born, 92 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 5: in the hospital where where he passed away when he 93 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 5: was murdered, and and we were trying to get access 94 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 5: to that place, and so folks in San Francisco Film Society. 95 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 5: It hooked me and Pete, Me and Pete up and 96 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 5: we've been tight since. And in some years back, my 97 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 5: wife is jamesey Evans and my partner called Hanyon, we 98 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 5: started a company called Proximity Media and a few years 99 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 5: after we started, we recruited Pete to come over and 100 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 5: run non fiction for us. So, so he's been making 101 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 5: films you know, you know, for for our company for 102 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 5: some time now, and this is the first one that 103 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 5: we've done in collaboration with Onyx. 104 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,679 Speaker 2: So I always like to ask people from the beginning, 105 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: both of you, guys, Peter and Ryan, like, how did 106 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: you get into film? For somebody out there right now listening, 107 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 2: how was the start, what was the love, what was 108 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 2: the first light bulb that said this is what I 109 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 2: wanted to do? And how was that journey of getting 110 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: into the game. 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: I was like, I come from a big family. My 112 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: mom is one of ten. Dad's one of eight, and 113 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: we see big family reunions, lots of cousins running around. 114 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: My uncle Ray had a video camera and he'd bring 115 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 3: to the family reunions every summer, and I would take 116 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 3: the camera and run around interview all my family members. 117 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: I had a like kind of like you guys didn't 118 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 3: have the King's Chairs, but the Pete Nick show. This 119 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 3: little show and a clip from that is actually an 120 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 3: autobiographical My first film was an autobiographical documentary about the 121 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 3: impact that my addiction. I went to Howard University and 122 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 3: fell into addiction. Sorry, and and my my film at 123 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: the Howard Mecca. 124 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,839 Speaker 2: He went to the Howard. 125 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: That's what I said, the Howard. I want to have this. 126 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: You know. 127 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 4: He got empathy. Get you. 128 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: You went to Howard. 129 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 3: Now I was with you on that. I was ready 130 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: to go down the road. 131 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 4: With you on that. 132 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 3: But you know it was really you know my story. 133 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 3: It's a story of a black family, middle class, upper 134 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 3: middle class black family that dealt with things that were 135 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: difficult to talk about. And I just from the very 136 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 3: early age, was inspired by my own family story and 137 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,279 Speaker 3: felt that there was something there that I wasn't seeing 138 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,159 Speaker 3: heard and told and that really began began my journey 139 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 3: as a storyteller. Later when I when I went to 140 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 3: film school and had a choice to make my first film, 141 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 3: it was to Look Within. 142 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: I know that you probably should go watch the autobiographical 143 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: DOCU did, But what was the addiction? 144 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: Uh you name it? Like, depends on the day, depends 145 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: my mood. 146 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Just got turned out in college to stay up. 147 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 3: I was working at it was the late eighties, during 148 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,799 Speaker 3: the War on drugs. This is when we're rayfel Edmund 149 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 3: Marion Barry. I was working at a club, the Fifth Column, 150 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 3: and just got got sucked in the world. I was, 151 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: you know, dealing with a lot of identity issues. And 152 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: I think, you know, it's so interesting that I met 153 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: Ryan eventually and his his process of storytelling looking at 154 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: you know, the black story, the black family, the Black 155 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 3: American story, and reframing that and in a powerful way 156 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 3: is a bit of a kismet. 157 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: That's so interesting because there's always a profile of what 158 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: an attic looks like, you know, and somebody who was 159 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 1: attending an HBCU probably wouldn't fit that profile, so to speak. 160 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 3: Well, you know, one of the things I learned being 161 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: at Howard was that being black being so many different things. 162 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 3: It sort of like exploded my mind, you know, on that. 163 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 3: And and we we we uh have these conceptions that 164 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: that black in the media is you know, more flattened 165 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 3: out into a two dimensional narrative. And so that that 166 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 3: was also one of the things I wanted to bring 167 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 3: into my storytelling. 168 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: And you ryan, for people that don't know, how did 169 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 2: I get into filmmak, how you got into filmmaking? What 170 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 2: was the first light, boll What made you say this 171 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: is what I want to do as a profession. 172 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 4: That's a great question for me. 173 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 5: I grew up in the I'm gonna say, I grew 174 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 5: up in the Bay Area, playing football and going to school. 175 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 5: I liked school. I liked football maybe a little bit more. 176 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 5: Got a scholarship to go to a school called Saint 177 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 5: Mary's College. And and this was in two thousand, two 178 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 5: thousand and three. Very good basketball school, you know, but 179 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 5: they had they had some some you know, they had 180 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: football football. 181 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 4: There as well, playing in D one Double A. 182 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 5: And after my freshman season, they dropped their football program. 183 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 5: And that same semester was like we were doing spring ball, 184 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 5: and they dropped. 185 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 4: That bomb on us. 186 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 5: And and I was in an English class, like a 187 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 5: creative writing class, talk about woman named Rosemary Graham, and 188 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 5: she gave the first assignment for us to write about 189 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 5: our most intense emotional experience. And I wrote about something 190 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 5: that happened like a health issue that happened on my pop. 191 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 5: Didn't think much about it, you know, turned it in 192 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: and then she called me into her office hours and 193 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 5: had like I went on one with me and was like, hey, 194 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:13,079 Speaker 5: you should think about writing screenplays, you know. And that 195 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 5: was really like the first that was really like the 196 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 5: first time and an adult recommended something like that. I 197 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 5: thought it was a crazy recommendation. 198 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 2: You've never been into it. 199 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 5: You was just like, let me, I mean, look, looking back, 200 00:09:25,920 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 5: I always it was always there, Like my family watched 201 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 5: a lot of movies. That was how we would pastime. 202 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 5: It was how we would communicate with each other, you know. 203 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 5: And I've done a lot of self and now it's 204 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 5: just since then, like a lot you know, like like 205 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 5: a little bit of like what Peace talking about looking back, 206 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 5: my parents came up from Auckland and they was and 207 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 5: they was there when you know that time. Peace talking 208 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 5: about how my parents was in the town and it 209 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 5: wasn't much different. They were trying to They were trying 210 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 5: to stay alive, man, you. 211 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,319 Speaker 4: Know, young young mary uh. 212 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 5: And they would what they would do for entertainment is like, 213 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 5: you know, go to Blockbuster and rent something and stay 214 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 5: in the house. Had three sons that would keep us 215 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 5: in the house. So that's what we would do, is 216 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 5: I was. That was our culture, you know. And I 217 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 5: always loved, always loved movies. You know, I would do 218 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 5: like theater arts or whatever. If it was an elective, 219 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 5: I'll take theater arts, you know what I'm saying. So 220 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: it was always there. But her reading something that I 221 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 5: wrote and making that making that suggestion was huge, man. 222 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 5: And and then my wife. It was my girl at 223 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 5: the time, you know, I told her about it. I 224 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 5: was trying to write screenplays and Microsoft Word which is difficult, 225 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 5: if y'all you'll ever tried to write a screenplay before 226 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 5: because of the margins. 227 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 4: And everything goof. Yeah. And then my my my. 228 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 5: Wife, she she was on track scholarship at Present State. 229 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 4: We bought to hand no money. 230 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 5: She she squeezed our coins together and got me the 231 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: software that you used, you know, to professionally write a screenplay, 232 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 5: Final Drive. So once once she did that. You know, 233 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 5: I was in there, you know what I mean. 234 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: Well, you remember the first screenplay you wrote I Do Broke? 235 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 4: I mean I remember all of them. I mean it 236 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 4: was terrible, but it was it was about It was about. 237 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 4: It was called story of a Dollar. 238 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,680 Speaker 5: It was about Ah, it was about twenty dollars bill 239 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 5: that was getting passed around the bay. 240 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 4: You know. So I told a bunch of like tall 241 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 4: a bunch of. 242 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 5: Little stories based on that people wore write on the 243 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 5: dot on the money. It sounded crazy now, right because 244 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,319 Speaker 5: everything digitally, you know what I'm saying. 245 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: But that was Chris Rock get a sketch like that once? 246 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:20,839 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris Rock. 247 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 5: Yea, yeah, yeah yeah so so so it was this 248 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 5: was like, you know, yeah, this was like it's a 249 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 5: common you know, it's a common idea, you know what 250 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 5: I mean, like an inanimate object that's getting that's getting 251 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 5: moved around. 252 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 4: To tell stories to that. 253 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 5: But when I was you know, I was seventeen, man, 254 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 5: I was like, yea, this is the most creative shit ever. 255 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 4: You know, you know. 256 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,839 Speaker 2: When did you both know? When did you both know 257 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 2: what was gonna be a profession? 258 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 4: Right? 259 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: Because I'm sure at one time you thought you're gonna 260 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 2: play football in the league, you know what I mean. 261 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 2: I'm sure one time you thought you were gonna do 262 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: something else. When did y'all know, like this is a profession? 263 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you the time when I knew this 264 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: one had a profession was before I saw Fruit feil station. 265 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 3: I saw a film he did called Locks, which which 266 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 3: to this day is one of the most beautiful expressions 267 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: of character and humanity that that I've seen. And it 268 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 3: was like it was like a silent film almost, and 269 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 3: I knew that this was a special you know, you know, storyteller. 270 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 3: And then that was sort of what what drew me? 271 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: Drew me to Ryan? And and what. 272 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 4: Was your question? 273 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: I would say, when did you know it was going 274 00:12:26,760 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 2: to be a profession. You know, everybody wants to be 275 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: a football player, basketball play, everybody has that dream. But 276 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 2: when you say, no, this is my calling. 277 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: While I was at Howard, I was on the eleven 278 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:40,800 Speaker 3: year planet Howard. It was interrupted by my stay with 279 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: the federal government. When I when I got out, you know, 280 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: I I kind of bounced around in d c. For 281 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: for a couple of years. Met my wife Vanna in 282 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 3: ninety four, Uh, sort of got got things on track 283 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: and started. I had to pick a minor, and I 284 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: was so I was a creative writing major. I was 285 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 3: going to be a writer. That's what I thought I 286 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 3: was going to do. I was writing, you know, short stories, 287 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: and never got to writing a script. But I had 288 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: to pick a minor, and I picked journalism. And I'd 289 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 3: met this kid in an AA meeting and he worked 290 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 3: at this little, tiny news service called the Hispanic Link, 291 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 3: which at the time, there were very little there's very 292 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 3: little news telling the story of the Hispanic community in America. 293 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 3: So this tiny hole in the wall news service in 294 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 3: DC was syndicated nationwide and it was run by this 295 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 3: white guy who had married this woman from Ohaca, Mexico. 296 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 3: And it was a love story and so I was 297 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: just struck by it. And so I made a little 298 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 3: short documentary and it was my thesis project, my senior 299 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: project at Howard, and I fell in love with it documentary, 300 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 3: and I looked at where the best, you know, documentary programs, 301 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: and UC Berkeley, the journalism school at Berkeley, has one 302 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: of the one of the top programs, and so I 303 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 3: went there. When I made that decision to apply to 304 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 3: graduate school, I kind of knew, like this is what 305 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: I'm committing to do, this is what I'm going. 306 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,439 Speaker 1: For, right are you? 307 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 4: Ryan? 308 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 2: When did you know that this was going to be 309 00:13:57,200 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 2: your profession? Because I know if one time you said 310 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 2: I'm going to play in the league, I know you 311 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: thought you was gonna play. 312 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 4: For the greatest big time. Yeah. 313 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, it's a it's a great question I've been 314 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,400 Speaker 5: asked before. My wife always laughed. But it was after 315 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 5: I made my fourth movie. It was when I was like, Okay, 316 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be doing this for a while. 317 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: What was the fourth one? 318 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 4: Kind of ever, that's what. 319 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: I think it could have been before. 320 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Speaker 5: That one, now I'm telling you, bro C. Yeah, yeah, 321 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 5: because because I don't know, like some combination of like 322 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 5: imposter syndrome. 323 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. 324 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: That sounds like and and internalizing, uh. 325 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 5: This internalized feeling of it like it's all gonna be 326 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 5: taken away from me, you know what I'm saying like 327 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 5: that like that that it just went away. 328 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 1: So you didn't think that's good enough? 329 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 4: It was. 330 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 5: It was a combination of a lot of things. From 331 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 5: one I didn't think I was good enough, Like like 332 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 5: I was thinking I was fooling people. 333 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 4: I got lucky with each movie. You you know what 334 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 4: I'm saying. 335 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 5: But I think like we were kind of forever going 336 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 5: through so much, you know, never one losing chat. You know, 337 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 5: you want losing chat. Rest in peace, man. And he 338 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 5: had he had so much confidence, you know what I'm saying. 339 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 5: And and and he would speak, you know, he would 340 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 5: speak confidence in me when I was having mom as 341 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 5: a doubt and and a lot of times I would 342 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: think he was just trying to get me through the day. 343 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 5: You know, you know what I'm saying, because you do 344 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 5: that with your teammates, right, And he got this, you 345 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 5: know you don't You might not believe that really got 346 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 5: you're telling him, you know what I'm saying. But but 347 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 5: but then in retrospect after he passed, and knowing what 348 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 5: I know about him, that he he was never he 349 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 5: was never he would never be as somebody, you know. 350 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 4: What I'm saying. 351 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 5: In finishing that film, and that was like the first 352 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 5: time I was like, Okay, I think I'm gonna be 353 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 5: I think I'm gonna be doing this for the rest 354 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 5: of my life. 355 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: How nerve racking was that film with all those celebrities 356 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: and all those stars and people that's been in so 357 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: many movies. 358 00:15:56,920 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 5: The first one. Yeah, crazy nerve racking, bro. But the 359 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 5: thing is all my moves is nerve racking. My nerves 360 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 5: was racked on the short he was talking about you know, so, 361 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, you you know that feeling, you know, 362 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 5: like like you. 363 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 2: Don't ever get to a point where you like, I've 364 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 2: done enough where I'm comfortable and I. 365 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 4: I'm getting there. Yeah, Like I think I think I'm 366 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 4: getting there. You know, You're never the. 367 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 5: Point where you're comfortable, Yeah, where I feel like I'm 368 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 5: gonna be doing this for some time. 369 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: I would say confident, You're confident. 370 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 5: In you getting there, getting there. 371 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 3: Also, I think it's it's a it's a it's a 372 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 3: belief that your voice, what you have to say, is 373 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 3: going to be received. You know, it's going to be 374 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 3: received by the culture, by the critics, by by the audiences. 375 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: And our culture sort of shifts and those voices, the 376 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 3: voices that do matter, that do bubble up to the surfaces. 377 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 3: It's not always because of the the relevance or the power. 378 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 4: Of those voices. 379 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: It's sort of the ecosystem of our culture and society 380 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: allows certain voices to come forward. 381 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: Is a depressure of knowing how many young minorities look 382 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: up to you guys, like I want to be the 383 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 2: next you know what I mean? Is that part of 384 00:17:09,119 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: it as well? 385 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 4: Yeah? Man, it's it's so much. 386 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 5: It's all of it, bro Like like y'all, y'all feel it, 387 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 5: y'all black, you know what I'm saying. You know when 388 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 5: you get it, when you when you first got this job, 389 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 5: it's like, I gotta do my thing for my family, 390 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 5: but also gotta do my thing for the next person 391 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 5: who looked like me, who want. 392 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: To do this that came later. At first, it was 393 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:30,120 Speaker 1: just about survival. Yeah, yeah, because I have been fired 394 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: for four times for it was about survival. Then once 395 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: you start to realize the magnitude of the platform, it's 396 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: like you gotta do it for the people. 397 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 5: Yeah, And what's great it is like, look, it's Monday, right. 398 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 5: I ain't checked the papers, but I think Stephen Cable's 399 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 5: movie was number one Transform it was number one. Yeah, 400 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 5: like he got this movie coming, he got we got 401 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 5: we got a step doctor that's. 402 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 4: Gonna come in. 403 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 5: And like the more the more that that that that's 404 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,199 Speaker 5: of us, that succeeding it actually takes some of the 405 00:17:57,240 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 5: pressure off, you know what I'm saying, like like that 406 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 5: that's that's also and it has also helped you know what, 407 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 5: you know what I mean Like, it's not like it's 408 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 5: only one we got one shot, we got one represent representative. 409 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 5: It's like I'm always a bunch of us, you know 410 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and and and and and that's changing 411 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 5: the fabric of what a blockbuster director. It looks like 412 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 5: I want to know or what you know or or 413 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 5: you know, how much how much support a nonfiction film 414 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 5: gets from you know, from from from from from a 415 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 5: studio or from from the audience. 416 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying is typically very little. Extremely 417 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 3: grateful for for the platform that pros Proximity has provided. 418 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: And that is a powerful idea to sort of validate 419 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 3: not just different perspectives of voice, but different genres and 420 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 3: styles of storytelling. 421 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: One more thing about the imposita syndrome. When you're Ryan Coogler, 422 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: and we know the greatness of Ryan Coogler, but the 423 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,879 Speaker 1: media will say things like, oh he might he's the 424 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 1: next George Lucas, Like you're always the next somebody. I 425 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: never just use that that that. 426 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 4: Holl on Bro. Is that a crowd rail bag? Of course? 427 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: Okay, sho sixty. 428 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 6: He keeps all the changing, right, man, I might I 429 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,120 Speaker 6: got a hey, am I bad? 430 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 4: Bro? I just I just went back honey memory uncles Bro. 431 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 4: Oh my god, my bad, my bad? Ar Man? 432 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,119 Speaker 1: Is that is that contributed in pot syndrome? The mas 433 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: in her? The next someone? 434 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: It don't help that, that never helps, you know. But 435 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 4: what I'm thankful. What I'm thankful for. 436 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 5: Man, It's like like I'm thankful for the ogs, Like 437 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 5: like I saw, I saw Spielberg a few days ago, 438 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 5: you know, spend the day with Spike. You know, I 439 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 5: shat down for a coupler. I sat down with with 440 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 5: with with Chris Nolan. You know, I was very rest 441 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 5: in peace. John Singleton was very close with him, you know. 442 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 5: And and having a relationship with the ogs. It's helpful 443 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,639 Speaker 5: if they say you the next whatever, you know what 444 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 5: I mean? You know what I'm saying, Like I side 445 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 5: with side with George Lucas, you know what I'm saying. 446 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 5: Like you know, and I know these guys as guys 447 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 5: and they can kind of advise and say, man, throw 448 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,600 Speaker 5: all that away, you know what I'm saying, Like you know, 449 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 5: like this is gonna this is gonna come, that's gonna come. 450 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 5: It's been you know, it's been really really helpful. So 451 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 5: but but but you never, it never helps to to 452 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 5: hear somebody compare you to A to a like a 453 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 5: generational grade. 454 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 4: You know, you know what I'm saying. That's why, that's 455 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 4: why I feel for Brin. 456 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: You know, we will never appreciate Bro. I say that 457 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 1: all the time. You'll never appreciate Brian if you can 458 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: keep comparing them to this ghost thro the Michael Jordan. 459 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 5: To tell you something, Bro, Me and me and Zenzi 460 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 5: went to Game three when when when the damn Lakers 461 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,199 Speaker 5: knocked us out Bro in the second round, and we 462 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 5: worked with We worked with Stephan bron Right, We worked 463 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 5: with space Jam, and we worked on the beautiful movie 464 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 5: Pete He's got coming off and this dude man thirty eight, 465 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 5: and he would have players, Bro, because he knew me 466 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 5: as Ang was there. He would have plays where he 467 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 5: would get the ball. 468 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: Bro. 469 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 4: He would point to us score and. 470 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 5: Point to after he scored, like y'all all about to 471 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,479 Speaker 5: score right now, you know what I'm saying. Like, and 472 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 5: it was just it was just doing and I was like, 473 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,719 Speaker 5: I've never seen anything I never I've never seen anything 474 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 5: like this guy man, and like and everything he does 475 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 5: is always compared to something you know, something to. 476 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 4: Or or you know or his Koreean you know he 477 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 4: was doing it. It's like it's got to do the 478 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 4: jump hook that day that we can't appreciate. 479 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 5: It for the for the for the for comparison shake, 480 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 5: you know. But but I will say, like this whole 481 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 5: time I've had Pete bro you know what I'm saying 482 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 5: as a friend who you know, you know, people don't 483 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 5: know him as much as I might not George look 484 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 5: at or spill word. But incredible working filmmaker and a 485 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 5: family man, you know what I'm saying, who got wisdom 486 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 5: for you whenever I whenever I needed in terms of navigation. 487 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,199 Speaker 4: So I'll be for ever, be for ever thankful for. 488 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 5: Him and help him make this beautiful movie man anthem 489 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 5: that only he could make. You know, I could talk 490 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 5: to him more about it, but only he could make 491 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 5: a movie where you know, it's like, Yo, we're gonna 492 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 5: we're gonna examine this national institution. 493 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 494 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 5: It's got all these triggering for everybody. You know, and 495 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 5: come out with a come out with a song. On 496 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 5: the other side, you come out watching a movie feeling good, 497 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,199 Speaker 5: you know. But she like, I'm thankful. I'm thankful for 498 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 5: him too, Thank. 499 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: You, Peter. It made me wonder watching anthem, why did 500 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: black people ever accept the anthem to begin with? Why 501 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 1: did they ever accept the national anthem to begin with? 502 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I've seen it from from 503 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 3: a lot of different perspectives, you know, I guess. I 504 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: like to say I was born into the story of race. 505 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 3: I was born in sixty eight. 506 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 507 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 3: My birth mother's white. My birth father was black. Her 508 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 3: family threatening disowner if she married him. She put me 509 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: up for adoption. I was adopted by a black family. 510 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: My dad's the senative slave from the South Gulla. My 511 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 3: mom's South Carolina. South Carolina. Yeah, my mom, her parents 512 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 3: came over from West Africa, Cape verd I married a woman, 513 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 3: a refugee from Laos. I've got kids who are mixed race. 514 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 3: Been in federal prison on a drug charge, went to 515 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 3: all white private schools, went to Howard. So I've seen 516 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,320 Speaker 3: life from all these different angles and perspectives, and in 517 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 3: all my work at the same time, I've never been 518 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 3: thrown down on the ground by a cop. I've never 519 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 3: been I've been called nigger a couple of times, but 520 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: that's usually when I'm with my other family. People don't 521 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: kind of know how to pin me, you know, and 522 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: I generally can can slide. 523 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: Through, uh like miscellaneous, kind of miscellaneous. 524 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that that that also sort of burrowed into 525 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: my own psyche about my identity. Who am Who am I? 526 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:53,719 Speaker 3: And I think that that question of who am I 527 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 3: is also the question I think as a country we're 528 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: trying to sort of grapple with who are we? We're 529 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: all different, we're all the same. And I think all 530 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 3: of my work I like to step into spaces that 531 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 3: are that are a little bit that are messy and 532 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 3: examining those questions, whether it's you know, what are our 533 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 3: values as a country and delivering health care to Americans 534 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: and you know, setting that in a in a public 535 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: hospital waiting room. What does it mean if a police 536 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 3: department says they're trying to reform, what does that mean? 537 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 3: And is that real? How important is education, you know, 538 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,479 Speaker 3: to to equity in our culture? And so, you know, 539 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 3: the anthem was was sort of a natural examining that 540 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 3: question of you know, can should you love it or 541 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 3: hate it? Should you should we tear it down? Should 542 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 3: we burn it? Should we recreate it? Some people love it, 543 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: some people hate it. I love Jimmy Hendrix's version to 544 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 3: me was always like beyond, like it went into some 545 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 3: spiritual place. It was still the anthem. It's still the 546 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 3: star spangled banner at the end of the day. Marvin 547 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 3: Gaye's version jose Feliciano, you know, these are all beautiful 548 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: renditions of a song that that is being unpacked, but 549 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 3: it's still it's still the anthem. And I felt that 550 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,880 Speaker 3: that was a great starting point to sort of, you know, 551 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 3: think about, well, what would it mean to create a 552 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,199 Speaker 3: new anthem? And if we were to create a new 553 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: anthem today and allow the diversity of voice in this 554 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: country to create that song, what would that be? And 555 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 3: on the surface, it's an impossible it's an impossible task. 556 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 3: You can't really we were like, do we need to like, 557 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,120 Speaker 3: you know, get into sort of like blues hip hop, gospel, jazz, 558 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:36,359 Speaker 3: like rock house music, go go. I mean, there's so 559 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 3: many different styles of music that reflect the American story, 560 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: So you know, there could be another two or three movies, 561 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 3: you know, on this on this idea, using this construct. 562 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 2: One thing I do love is is you know anthem. 563 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 2: Besides anthem, I love the evolution story, right because a 564 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: lot of times in this day and age, people don't 565 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 2: allow you to evolve. 566 00:25:57,640 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 4: Right. 567 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 2: They look at your past and they try to keep 568 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: you in the past of who you were. And the 569 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: fact that you talk about everything that you've been through 570 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 2: and how you've changed and the things that you're doing, 571 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 2: I don't I don't think a lot of times people 572 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,640 Speaker 2: allow people to have that evolution. 573 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 1: And to change. 574 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 2: So I commend that. And have you had a hard 575 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 2: time because of your past, because you know, Charlamagne and myself, 576 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: we've all had a pass and we talk about our past. 577 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 2: And the reason we talk about it is because you know, 578 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: nobody's ever perfect, right, There's no life that's perfect. People 579 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 2: go through shit. So the fact that you talk about 580 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: the things that you've been through and you're still able 581 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 2: to leave your mark on the world on some positive 582 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 2: is the amazing story. 583 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: Well, I think I don't know why, you know, I 584 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: you know what I remember distinctly when when I got 585 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: out of prison, I got a job working at this 586 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 3: this elementary school in DC, which you know I was at. 587 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 3: I went back to Howard and they have like an 588 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: internship program where you fill out, you know, where do 589 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 3: you want to work? And I kind of went into 590 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,399 Speaker 3: the space of denial of what had happened to me, 591 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 3: and I didn't check the box, you know, basically lied 592 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 3: and I got placed at this elementary school, which happened 593 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 3: to be a school where like presidents like where Obama 594 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: sends his kids, where like some of those powerful people 595 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 3: in DC send their kids. And I remember I took 596 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 3: the job. I was working at this job and one 597 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 3: day the lawyer who represented represented me in my case, 598 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 3: which was prosecuted by Merrick Garland is now the Attorney 599 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: General the United States walked in on a tour with 600 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 3: his son, and I was my job that day was 601 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 3: to like check all the parents in and give them 602 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 3: name tax and here comes my lawyer and he sees me, 603 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 3: and he and he we looked at each other and 604 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 3: he was like, Oh, how are you doing? And he's 605 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 3: probably thinking himself, what the hell is this guy doing 606 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 3: drug traffic or doing working at the school. Presumably I'm 607 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: going to send my kid And you know, I eventually 608 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 3: left that job, and I had to tell all the 609 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 3: people you know that I had lied. And from that 610 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 3: point forward, I decided that I was going to tell 611 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 3: my story. I was going to step into the difficult 612 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 3: space of being real about my story, talking about my 613 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: dad's alcoholism, asking my dad about his alcoholism on camera. 614 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,640 Speaker 3: We had never taught Black families don't talk about Trump, 615 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 3: their trauma, their mental health, things like alcoholism, And it 616 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: just felt like an empowering thing. And it also felt 617 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 3: like something that our country needed to do more was 618 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 3: examine and step into these more real, authentic spaces. 619 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: We are all those things. I want to ask about anthem, 620 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: what what do you think it would take to actually 621 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: create a new national anthem? 622 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 3: Well, one of the one of the insights that seemed 623 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,159 Speaker 3: very common as we asked that same question to a 624 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 3: lot of people in the making of the film and 625 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 3: also now that the film's coming out, is that maybe 626 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 3: there can't be one anthem. You know, there there has 627 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 3: to be many anthems. I mean, the idea of anthem 628 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 3: is so you know, there's the anthem, the national anthem, 629 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,040 Speaker 3: and then there's like personal anthems that the song you 630 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 3: put on at the gym or the song that you 631 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 3: that that that you recall when you got married, or 632 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 3: of the song that just gets you hyped. You know, 633 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: that's something that inspires you. You know, we all have 634 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: different ways of allowing these songs and these because songs 635 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 3: are ultimately stories, they're narratives, the narratives that we tell ourselves, 636 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,240 Speaker 3: and the narratives that we used to reflect you know, 637 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 3: our families, our communities, and that can't be boiled down 638 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 3: into one song. But that the intention of allowing you know, 639 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: multiple perspectives to inform a national anthem, a national story, 640 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 3: wasn't how the original song was created. That Francis scott 641 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 3: Key was created using the music of you know this 642 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 3: British you know pub song, and so that that intention 643 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: could lead to other insights and meaning that we could carry, 644 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: you know, into our future as a country. 645 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: The doc also had me thinking if there was a 646 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: new national anthem, what what genre of music would it 647 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: be delivered through? Because I love the way y'all went 648 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: through country, which I never even referred to as white. 649 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: When you referred to it as white soul, I was like, oh, 650 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: it is white soul, you know what I mean? 651 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 4: Jazz? 652 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: Like, what genre of music. Would it be best delivered 653 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 1: through the way America would embrace it. 654 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with the dude outside the 655 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 3: feller last night. I think, what's his name, David Bryant, 656 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 3: And I asked him and immediately he was like, hip hop, 657 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 3: hip hop, and I'm sixty eight. I was born in 658 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 3: sixty eight, so I am the age of hip hop. 659 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 3: And we talked about it. You know, we because we hot. 660 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: We we brought on Dahi early, early in the process, 661 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 3: and Dahi's produced some of. 662 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 2: You know, hip hop's artists, so many different people, and 663 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 2: you know, it was weird to hear him say that 664 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: he's only been to New York in l A too. 665 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, that he hasn't been in the 666 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 2: middle of America. I thought that was weird. 667 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 3: That was a lot of us haven't a lot a 668 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 3: lot of us, you know, don't don't don't enter these spaces. 669 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 3: We we we grow up in our communities. We sometimes 670 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 3: stuff out sometimes, but there are you know, definitely places 671 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: in the South or Nashville. It's it's like you saw 672 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: what happened when when they pulled up and what are 673 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 3: you all doing it? And they didn't fully articulate what 674 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 3: they were doing. They said, they said, what are y'all doing? 675 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 3: You know, we're all we're making a documentary exploring American music. 676 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 3: They didn't say, we're making a documentary rewriting the national 677 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 3: you know. So I do think, but but I think, 678 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 3: you know, saying hip hop, you should be hip hop 679 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 3: like that, that is, you know, gospel, you know house 680 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: house music. All these things are inflections. But you know, 681 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 3: the blues thing. We knew that there were certain foundational 682 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 3: places that we wanted to explore. Blues is one of 683 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 3: those foundational places Native American music, which is very rarely 684 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: included in the conversation of the American music story. We 685 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 3: knew that we wanted to step into those spaces and 686 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 3: allow them to inform the song the movie. 687 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean what the doc made me think that 688 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: hip Hop's night is rooted in soul and spirit, as 689 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: it should be. It feels like a lot of the 690 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: hip hop is rooted in that we listen to now 691 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: is rooted in capitalism more so than the stuff that 692 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 1: y'all had in the doc. That when you listen to 693 00:31:57,680 --> 00:31:59,400 Speaker 1: the blues and the country, like it was root the 694 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: Native America, if it was rooted in soul and spirit. 695 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: Why why do you think that is right? 696 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 4: That's a heavy question, bro. 697 00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,920 Speaker 5: I mean I'm I'm older today than I've ever been. 698 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 5: And yeah, like like I like my I think I 699 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 5: think it's I think music is complicated. I think black 700 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 5: music is is. I got my own theories about it. 701 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 5: I love that this doc is kind of about American music, 702 00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like it's it's it's it's 703 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 5: anthem on the surface, but it's really about American music 704 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 5: and about watching the song being written, which I think 705 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 5: is fascinating because because because you got stand up comedy 706 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 5: and you got music, I think there is like two 707 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 5: like it's straight alchemy, you know. 708 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like when. 709 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 5: You when you see people do it, and I think that, 710 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 5: like I think that black music has always been a 711 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 5: call back home, like a report, Hey we were still here, 712 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 5: Hey we okay, Like. 713 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 4: This here's what's happening. You know what I'm saying anybody 714 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 4: out there. 715 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 5: To hear is you know I always feel that this 716 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 5: electricity runs through my body whenever I come to New York. 717 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 5: I think a part of it is just that it's 718 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 5: it's ten million people running around trying to. 719 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 4: Make a way. 720 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 5: But another part of it is this force that's been 721 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 5: ever present in my life that's given me a sense 722 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 5: of power. Hip hop it was founded here, you know 723 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 5: what I'm saying, And you can you can feel it, 724 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,800 Speaker 5: you know what I mean. Like I don't know if 725 00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 5: it's that I know it was here or I can 726 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 5: feel it here, but it's fantastic, you know what I'm saying. 727 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 5: I think that that things constantly changed, and I think 728 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 5: the reason why you're hearing this this this this trend 729 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 5: towards like hypercapitalistic. 730 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 4: Or you know, it's a lot of it is like 731 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 4: war music, you know what I'm saying. 732 00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 5: But I think it's I think it's like about the 733 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 5: right to self determine that people looking for and whatever 734 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 5: route that whatever route they can find it. 735 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 736 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 5: And sometimes sometimes maybe it's quote unquote misguided. Sometimes it's 737 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,319 Speaker 5: sometimes it's truthful, you know what I mean, Like like 738 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,879 Speaker 5: somebody that's living in poverty, surrounded by it, they think 739 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 5: they might think they're having some money, is the way 740 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 5: they can self determined, make themselves safe, get their. 741 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,879 Speaker 4: Family out of where they are. 742 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, sometimes they think picking up 743 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 5: a weapon is what's the way they're self determined. They 744 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,800 Speaker 5: feeling vulnerable or weak. You know what I'm saying, I 745 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 5: got to shut it that I'm that I'm strong and 746 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 5: I'm not. 747 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 4: You know what I mean. 748 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,160 Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's it's usually some form 749 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 5: of truth in it. You know what I'm saying, Like 750 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,480 Speaker 5: like whether whether you know at thirty whether at thirty seven. 751 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'm loving you know what 752 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 5: I mean. You know what I mean that that's my 753 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 5: best explanation for it. But I think that's what I think, 754 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 5: that's what everybody wants. I think that's what's so interesting 755 00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 5: about it. You know what I'm saying, Like I come 756 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:00,360 Speaker 5: from the home of the pan answers. 757 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 4: It's all about the right to self. 758 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,919 Speaker 5: Determined, you know what I'm saying, The claim to claim 759 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 5: my humanity and self determined, my safety and where I 760 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 5: can go, my where my body can be, where my. 761 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 4: Children can feel safe. You know what I'm saying, Like 762 00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,000 Speaker 4: and I hear that in the blues, I hear that 763 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: in jazz. 764 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 5: I hear that, And you know what I'm saying, I 765 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 5: hear it in all of you, you know, hope to 766 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 5: answer that question. 767 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess when you was talking to made 768 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: me feel like it. 769 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 4: Damn. 770 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,919 Speaker 1: Sometimes I guess capitalism can can ruin art, right, So 771 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: so I wonder what's what's more fulfilling for you? Doing 772 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: something like Fruitvale Station. Are our black fans. 773 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 4: What's more fulfilling? 774 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, not not even just those two movies in particular, 775 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: but doing a movie like and more of an independent 776 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: way than a big black bus were. 777 00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, let me ask you, what's a great question? Bro? 778 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 5: I think at the time, I've been blessed to do 779 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 5: the most fulfilling thing, you know what I'm saying, Like 780 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 5: at the time, you know, if we talked about that, 781 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 5: like how we don't get the ability to change, right? 782 00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 5: I think guys, I think as black people, we can 783 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 5: be the hardest hard shoves when it comes to that, 784 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like, like I'm from I'm 785 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 5: from I was. 786 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 4: Born in Oakland. My whole family's from there. We know. 787 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,960 Speaker 4: Was like, but check it out, bro, I'm getting. 788 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,480 Speaker 5: Somewhere, bron get bro, Like I was like editor nine, 789 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 5: we moved to Richmond, you know what I'm saying, And 790 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,799 Speaker 5: like still to this day I have people ask, hey, bro, 791 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,600 Speaker 5: you're from Oakland and Richmond. You know, you know what 792 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,799 Speaker 5: I'm saying, and like and like the truth is come 793 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 5: from both. You know, you know what I'm saying. 794 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 4: But but that's not. 795 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 5: Allowed at home, you know. You know what I mean, 796 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 5: Like you got to pick bro. You know what I'm saying, 797 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 5: Like it's like it is it this? Where is it 798 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 5: that you gotta stick with it for your whole life? 799 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like like when I'm if 800 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 5: I'm blessed to live to be one hundreds, Hey, bro, 801 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 5: you from Oakland. 802 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,400 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. It's like with damn. 803 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,120 Speaker 2: You ever go back to Oakland and say, you know, 804 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:46,880 Speaker 2: it's like, Damn, I made it out of here. 805 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 4: I'm still there. 806 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,400 Speaker 1: He's there. Yeah, you know, I'm still here in Oakland 807 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,720 Speaker 1: to the core. But it's beautiful from Carolanta. 808 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,399 Speaker 4: So I know exactly some days where I'm like, Damn, 809 00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,879 Speaker 4: I'm still alive. You know what I'm saying. 810 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 2: Because I was out and I'm driving. I was staying 811 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: at the hotel and I wanted to get some need 812 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: It's like go to the next corner. In the next corner 813 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,640 Speaker 2: was Oakland, Oakland like fresh fried spots with the gates 814 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 2: in it. I'm like, where the am I And like 815 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 2: you still see like it looks like riots happened yesterday, 816 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 2: Like you see stuff boarded up and stuff broken down, 817 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: and I'm like, God, damn no. 818 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 5: It's it's so sexy. Are you in Queens Queen? Yeah, 819 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 5: I mean it's I mean, I don't know. It's it's 820 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 5: like wherever we are, you see, you know you could 821 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,720 Speaker 5: you can be on the right or the wrong spot. 822 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 4: You know. Look, man, we've been at the country's been 823 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 4: at a world with us since we've been here. You 824 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, Like. 825 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 5: Like it's the truth, like you see so you see 826 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,479 Speaker 5: it reflected, like whether it's financial, you know, like whether 827 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 5: it's whether it's all you know alright, Jim Crawl, whether. 828 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,400 Speaker 4: It was you know, full blong you know, our bodies 829 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 4: being illegal. 830 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like, like you know, so 831 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 5: you share it, you see the reflections of it, you 832 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 5: know what I mean. And it's splashing Cleveland everywhere here Detroit, Aukland. 833 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. 834 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: You know you go where d I just want to 835 00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,879 Speaker 3: I'm gonna try to see formulate. How how I'm gonna 836 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 3: say this because a lot in this going back to 837 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 3: your question about what's you know, the independent versus the 838 00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 3: blockbuster and capitalist. But I saw a Black Panther in 839 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 3: a theater in Utah where my daughter was in treatment 840 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,600 Speaker 3: for mental health and addiction. She was she was sixteenth 841 00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:41,200 Speaker 3: time and we were visiting her, and uh we went 842 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 3: to see Black Panther and a theater packed full of 843 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 3: white Mormons watching Black Panther. And to me, that was 844 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:58,319 Speaker 3: a profound reality and impact that that Ryan's worked as 845 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 3: very commercial, big blockbuster Marvel movie. I don't think people 846 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 3: fully sort of understand the impact that that had on 847 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 3: the culture and sort of changing the narrative. And you know, 848 00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,759 Speaker 3: changing those narratives is so important. It's important internally, I 849 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,719 Speaker 3: you know, talking about trauma, talking about our communities, black 850 00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 3: communities going back generations, back to slavery. Like my dad's family, 851 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 3: he had unresolved trauma. You know, he was drinking. I 852 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,879 Speaker 3: only found out after he died that he was told 853 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 3: when he was a young man to step into the 854 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 3: gutter when white people approached him, you know, on the sidewalk. 855 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 3: My daughter, you know, I dealt with addiction. My daughter 856 00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 3: dealt with addiction and we lost her at the age 857 00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:48,920 Speaker 3: of sixteen. So the consequences of sort of unrecognized and on, 858 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,280 Speaker 3: you know, trauma that's not dealt with in narrative is profound, 859 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,839 Speaker 3: and I think Ryan's work is doing it both in 860 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:59,960 Speaker 3: this very intimate way with with sort of an independent 861 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,640 Speaker 3: approach like Fruit Felle Station, and on the biggest stage 862 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 3: with these blockbusters. It's powerful, and I think it's also 863 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 3: going to influence other creatives in those spaces to use 864 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 3: their voices and to use these stages because now we're 865 00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,239 Speaker 3: getting more opportunities. We're getting more opportunities. 866 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,360 Speaker 1: That's why I like Black Panther two so much, because 867 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, I put Ryan in the same vein as 868 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: like a Kendrick or even a Cold because even with 869 00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: the massive success, you won't compromise your art. 870 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,040 Speaker 4: I appreciate that, bro. 871 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 5: I just realized I didn't ask your question, man, like 872 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 5: they all are are fulfilling at the time, because I'm 873 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 5: different each time. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know, 874 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,319 Speaker 5: make Prouville when I was I was twenty five, are 875 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 5: you seven? 876 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 4: Now? You know? 877 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 5: I don't know if I don't know if I can 878 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 5: make that movie now. You know what I'm saying, I 879 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,520 Speaker 5: don't got the optimism that I had then or the energy. 880 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,840 Speaker 4: You know, you get met it in like twenty twenty days. 881 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 4: We didn't sleep, you know what. 882 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 5: I got to sleep now, you know, like our family now, 883 00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,640 Speaker 5: you know, like it's been impossible, But that was the 884 00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:01,839 Speaker 5: most feeling thing that I could have done at that time. 885 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 5: I've been blessed to like do fulfilling work. You know 886 00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 5: what I'm saying. With this company, it's fantastic. I get 887 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 5: to support filmmaker's vision. You know what I'm saying, Like 888 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,359 Speaker 5: you don't make the more, We're gonna make a new 889 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 5: national anthem. I'm like, holy shit, let's let's do it. 890 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 4: What do you need? You know? You know what I'm saying. 891 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 4: Can I help? You know? Uh? And it's it's an 892 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,759 Speaker 4: incredible blessing man to go to. 893 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 1: I know they telling us you got to wrap up. 894 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,200 Speaker 1: So I guess this question would be the last question. 895 00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: How do you keep the national anthem hopeful and empowering 896 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,880 Speaker 1: with so much of America's history being negative for the 897 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: majority of groups that we've been here, Because you know, 898 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: we keep talking about we are having these discussions about 899 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 1: what America is. I think we know what America is 900 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,040 Speaker 1: trying to We're trying to put the mirror up to 901 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 1: them and let them see what America. 902 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's different things to different people, right Like. 903 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 5: And that's what's so beautiful about the songing Man was 904 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 5: that you know, you get you got, you got four 905 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:58,880 Speaker 5: women from different backgrounds and different experiences with the country, 906 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 5: you know, putting down verses that feel true to them. 907 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 5: It's not compromising. And then when you hear it saying 908 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,719 Speaker 5: you know, it's like, you know, you identify with each 909 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 5: with each piece because maybe it's like I don't know 910 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 5: somebody who's indigenous. Well I'm not indigenous myself to this, 911 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,760 Speaker 5: to this, to this land, but I know people who are. 912 00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 5: You know, I don't know people who having issues with 913 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 5: borders moving across them and back and forth or getting more, 914 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 5: you know. And when you hear the words saying, you 915 00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 5: feel it, you know what I'm saying, like I don't 916 00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 5: you know. When you hear Charity like in Our twenties 917 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,680 Speaker 5: from Nashville sing about her family in the in the military, 918 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 5: then she says like like all gays some but some 919 00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 5: gave all man you feel it, you know what I'm saying. 920 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 5: And white people don't own the military, you know what 921 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,680 Speaker 5: I'm saying. My grandfather falling in every word after was 922 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 5: fault while he was alive. 923 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:49,960 Speaker 1: You know. 924 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:50,919 Speaker 4: You know, you know what I mean. 925 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,839 Speaker 5: And so when you take a step back and look 926 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 5: at the song that they made it and the process 927 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 5: of how they made it, man, you know, you acquire 928 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 5: saying it man, and it works, you know what I'm saying, Like, like, 929 00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 5: you know, so I think it's I think it's an 930 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,880 Speaker 5: incredible utility that. 931 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 4: They that they gave and that's all. The song is 932 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 4: a utility. Man. 933 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 5: You might use it to get through some personal loss. 934 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 5: You might use it to do your homework. 935 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 4: You might use it to to lift at the gym. 936 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 1: You know. 937 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like it's a it's a 938 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 5: it's a it's a piece of art that's a utility, 939 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 5: and it's up to the people to use. 940 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,319 Speaker 4: It, you know what I'm saying. 941 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just really simply empowering 942 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,959 Speaker 3: people to tell to tell their story, you know. And 943 00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 3: you know, anthems inspiring people to express their own idea 944 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 3: of an anthem. I remember when we ate the waiting room, 945 00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,239 Speaker 3: the story of this film about Island Hospital. Before we 946 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 3: made the film, we did this little digital storytelling project 947 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,879 Speaker 3: where we interviewed hundreds of people stuck in the waiting room. 948 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:49,719 Speaker 3: We asked everybody the same thing, what are you waiting for? 949 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,520 Speaker 3: And the results of that simple question were profound, and 950 00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 3: I got into the you know, you're dealing with some 951 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 3: people who look dangerous, somebody who just pissed on themselves, 952 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 3: somebody who's ranting, dealing with mental illness. And I got 953 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 3: into this this this space where I was approaching everybody, 954 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 3: even if I was uncomfortable, and some of the people 955 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 3: that I was most uncomfortable with the results in their story, 956 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 3: allowing them, empowering them in that moment to tell their story, 957 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,320 Speaker 3: even if I didn't maybe agree with their politics or 958 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 3: their position because some people were talking about healthcare, some 959 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,760 Speaker 3: people were conservative in those spaces, but they're also suffering somehow, 960 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 3: and that sort of collective that that unifying suffering and 961 00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:33,320 Speaker 3: allowing people to tell the allowing people the framework to 962 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,040 Speaker 3: tell their story in that space was powerful. And I 963 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 3: think hopefully this film can allow people to recognize that 964 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:43,759 Speaker 3: sometimes we do have to put these stories that are 965 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 3: difficult next to each other and allow the alchemy to 966 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,279 Speaker 3: just happen because we can't. We just can't ignore it. 967 00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 3: We're in a difficult time in our country right now. 968 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 3: It's like we're at a crossroads right now, and it 969 00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 3: could go this way, it could go that way. But 970 00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:02,520 Speaker 3: the optimism, both for my own family and the generational 971 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:04,799 Speaker 3: trauma that we face, that there's a path out that 972 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:05,879 Speaker 3: you don't have to stay in that. 973 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 2: Well, we appreciate you bubbs for joining us. And you know, 974 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,759 Speaker 2: anytime you got some a movie or something that you 975 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 2: want to promote, documentary, y'all invited up here, come on 976 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 2: up and use the platform. 977 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,399 Speaker 1: What's next? I mean the writer's happening now, man. 978 00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,479 Speaker 4: Yes, it is a big shout out to the writers. WG. 979 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 4: I is striking right now, you know, trying to get you. 980 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,120 Speaker 3: Know, underrated. That's that's uh, that's next for us, Like 981 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,160 Speaker 3: on the nonfiction. 982 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,160 Speaker 4: On the non fishing shot. Yes, so non fishing you 983 00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:31,440 Speaker 4: can do. 984 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 5: Yes, it's not it's not started with w G A 985 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 5: originated work, you know what I'm saying it out side 986 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 5: of that so I can help promote. But we got 987 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:44,640 Speaker 5: got underrated, beautiful, beautiful movie about Steph Curry very underrated. 988 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,239 Speaker 1: He's the number two greatest player of all time. 989 00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,399 Speaker 3: When you just started acting like it's coming full circle, you. 990 00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,439 Speaker 2: Got who's not the top three NBA? Let's talk about 991 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:52,759 Speaker 2: it right now? 992 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:55,000 Speaker 5: Just quick question before you the top five in the 993 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 5: league right now all time. 994 00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 3: I can give you my Quron and Lebron's in there. 995 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 1: I got Michael Jordan's, Steph Perry, Kobe Bryant, Lebron, and 996 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: Magic Johnson. That's my top five man. 997 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 4: That yeah, I mean that's I'm not doing this, man, 998 00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,359 Speaker 4: I literally a mad movie. I made a movie. 999 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,879 Speaker 5: I met it movie with Bron. I made movie with Steph. 1000 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:20,279 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, I'm not doing this. 1001 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,719 Speaker 1: Like Lebron three times in the NBA. 1002 00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 4: I'm a Warriors fan lifelong. 1003 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like like like Steph, No, no, no, 1004 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:32,680 Speaker 5: Steph bigger than basketball revolution? 1005 00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, like like like we rre we ride a dog 1006 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,440 Speaker 4: with Steph? You know what I'm saying. And Bron's Bron's 1007 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319 Speaker 4: my god man, Like you know. 1008 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:42,879 Speaker 1: It's changed all the basketball women and men's they all 1009 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: play like Steph. He revolutionized the game. I've never seen 1010 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,640 Speaker 1: nobody do that to. 1011 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan, You're not wrong. 1012 00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 5: I'm goa I'm gonna tell you something that's gonna sound 1013 00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:54,200 Speaker 5: crazy to this day. Most skilled basketball player I've ever seen, 1014 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,000 Speaker 5: I can't allow you want mm hmm, like more skilled. 1015 00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 5: I remember watching him as a kid and being like, 1016 00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:06,160 Speaker 5: let's do let's do it is crazy. The scariest I 1017 00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:07,719 Speaker 5: seen to play against when I was a kid was 1018 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:09,319 Speaker 5: Tim Duncan, and she like he was always win. 1019 00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. These dudes don't get mentioned. 1020 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,839 Speaker 5: At all, and you start talking about when I think 1021 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,759 Speaker 5: about it, I'm like, I don't know. I don't know 1022 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,440 Speaker 5: how somebody could be better than a chemologed one. You know. 1023 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,960 Speaker 1: Now you got the jokes and those guys the kind 1024 00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:24,960 Speaker 1: of and I love the King, but yeah, back then 1025 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,600 Speaker 1: there was there wasn't too many big men. So when 1026 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:30,960 Speaker 1: when you were it was big. 1027 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,960 Speaker 2: They were all they were all big. You didn't have 1028 00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,440 Speaker 2: it like you know, you had to go past you 1029 00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 2: have to What do you used to do to those 1030 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,520 Speaker 2: guys like I used to just and he had no 1031 00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 2: flaws in his game. Now you think about somebody smaller 1032 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,480 Speaker 2: had to get by the big man like it alan. 1033 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,080 Speaker 5: Like you like all right, bro, he think about. 1034 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 2: What I did. 1035 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,400 Speaker 5: You know when he beat when he beat when he 1036 00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,799 Speaker 5: beat that that that that Kobe Shock Team game one 1037 00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,799 Speaker 5: h and no teammates really disrespect these real hoopers. I 1038 00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,359 Speaker 5: was on a team, but like you know, I mean, yeah, 1039 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 5: so it's it's tough man. 1040 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,439 Speaker 1: You're saying all that to say you do think Steph 1041 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,320 Speaker 1: is better than Braun. 1042 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna bait you right up. 1043 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,680 Speaker 4: I'm not. 1044 00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,120 Speaker 5: You just don't want I'm a Wears fan, Bro, That's 1045 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:12,759 Speaker 5: what I'm gonna say. 1046 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 4: Bro. And stephan Stephanie and Steph bigger than hoop fush Man, 1047 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,919 Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. But I'm also a black man. 1048 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,399 Speaker 4: Lebron is bigger than you know what I'm saying, Like, 1049 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,399 Speaker 4: like you know, love Broun, I'm not. I'm not gonna 1050 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 4: get into. 1051 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,919 Speaker 1: That talking about on the court. 1052 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:25,200 Speaker 4: I love both of these. 1053 00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:29,279 Speaker 5: Guys on the court, roof of the Warriors when they play. 1054 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 4: I love both those dudes. 1055 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 5: I hate that we got to I hate I hate 1056 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 5: that against just hate it. I hate it so much, 1057 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,839 Speaker 5: and I hate that they knocked us all. Goddamn bro. 1058 00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,439 Speaker 1: He said it with his chest number two of all time. 1059 00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:44,680 Speaker 3: Give it absolutely absolutely will. I mean, I grew up 1060 00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:45,160 Speaker 3: in Boston. 1061 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:51,120 Speaker 4: You know, birds in my y. Let's not go there 1062 00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:52,839 Speaker 4: and let's not go there. 1063 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,359 Speaker 3: Although two thousand and four, you know, two thousand and four, 1064 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,760 Speaker 3: you know Yankees. 1065 00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: All right, be the Knicks. 1066 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,120 Speaker 4: Howard University alumni. 1067 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,719 Speaker 2: Let me appreciate you brothers for joining us. 1068 00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 4: Man, It's the Breakfast Club. Don't forget anthem. 1069 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,319 Speaker 2: June twenty eighth, on Hulu. It's the Breakfast Club. Good morning,