1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Herd podcast. Be sure to 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: noon to three eastern nine am to noon Pacific. Find 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: dot com, or stream us live every day on the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,639 Speaker 1: Welcome back. He does a remarkable job for us. Fourteen 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: years in the NFL, three time pro bowler, a Fox 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Sports analyst, kind of enough to take some time for 11 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 1: us today. My friend Greg Olsen now joining us. We've 12 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 1: been bringing him on since. I may have brought him 13 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: on when he was a hurricane. By the way they look, 14 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 1: they look physical. Holy got her throwing people at Miami 15 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: for the front and I mean, they're legit. We'll get 16 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 1: to that in a second. They're legit. They passed the 17 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: eye test. So I said, you know, when Dan Campbell 18 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: came in, I thought he's kind of reckless because I 19 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: didn't like their person. Now, well, now it's like an 20 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: all star team. I'm like, yeah, you should go for 21 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: it all the time. On fourth when they went forward 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 1: on fourth and two, and it was funny because Troy 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: Aman was like, man, he's got to set on them, 24 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: and I'm like, no, that's kind of what they are. Like, 25 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: I know you're a believer in this. Like, I think 26 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: the whole identity of the franchise in Detroit is you know, 27 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: we're aggressive. We are an aggressive franchise. I think it's 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: a great brand. Your thoughts, Yeah, so, I think there's 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: a lot of levels to it. 30 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: At no point in that game that I think if 31 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 3: they got in this situation that they weren't going to 32 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 3: go for it right, It was just a matter of 33 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 3: what play did they have. They have an entire section 34 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,279 Speaker 3: on the play sheet for those gotta have it moments, 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 3: the fourth and ones, the fourth and two's the goal 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 3: to go situations that is not decided upon in the moment. 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 3: They have them ranked first time we're in this situation, 38 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: it's this call, and then they just work their way 39 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 3: down the list. They probably carry more of those calls 40 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 3: than most teams because they're in that situation. 41 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 4: But I think there's multiple factors. 42 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: I think your point I heard you before the break 43 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 3: about the culture and the identity. Since Dan Campbell took 44 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 3: over in Detroit, there has been no wavering that that 45 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: was going. 46 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 4: To be what they are. They believe in it. He 47 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 4: believes in his players. 48 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: There is no doubt in the huddle amongst the eleven 49 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 3: guys in the huddle. When they get tackled short on 50 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: third down, they don't look to the sideline. 51 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 4: They don't start walking off. 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 3: The punt team doesn't start walking on, or the field 53 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 3: goal unit, like, there's not even a consideration. 54 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 4: Number one. 55 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: That's super powerful number two. And this, I think is 56 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: the biggest point around the league. You look at how 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: many games are won and lost because teams decide every 58 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: time you kick the ball a punt or a field goal, 59 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 3: your chance of winning that game goes exponentially down. And 60 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 3: that's just the nature of the game teams that built. 61 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 3: You know, you look at Sirianni. I did the Eagles 62 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,240 Speaker 3: game the other day. They were only in that game 63 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,320 Speaker 3: because they forced six field goals, they blocked two of 64 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 3: them of the Rams in a game that the Rams 65 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 3: for three quarters of it pretty much dominated. So yeah, 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: it takes a strong personality as a coach to stand 67 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: at the podium in a playoff game like Dan Campbell 68 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: had to do a couple of years ago. We called 69 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: that game where the fourth downs ended up biting them 70 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 3: and they lost the game, and he had to stand 71 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 3: up there, tall and proud and heartbroke in and say I. 72 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: Would do it again. Those are the guys you believe in. 73 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 4: Those are the guys that this is not just a 74 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 4: flash of the pan. 75 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 3: It's baked into every decision they make, and in my opinion, 76 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 3: it's the only way to play NFL football in today's day. 77 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you let's let's talk about that. We 78 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: both love Sean McVay, and we both love Stafford, and 79 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: they have really nice skill players. When McVeigh kept settling 80 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: for field goals when it was happening because you had 81 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: that game, why do they do that? Is it a 82 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: belief that, you know what, we've got a better game 83 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 1: plan our in defense. I kind of thought watching the game, well, 84 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: they just don't think Philadelphia is going to be able 85 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: to come back. So let's just keep adding three. That 86 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: was my take, yours Ye seems to be. 87 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 4: And I don't think this is unique to McVeigh. 88 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 3: I think mcveigh's in the conversation of the top two 89 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: to maybe three, if not, he's in the top three, 90 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 3: no question in my mind, as the best coaches in 91 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: the NFL, and I think universally amongst his peers, that's 92 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 3: how he's regarded. I think in a game like that, 93 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 3: when you start fast and you score early, and then 94 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: you're every time you score, you're just increasing your lead. 95 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: When the opposing team's offense is struggling as much as 96 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,480 Speaker 3: Phillies was in the first half, the human nature is 97 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 3: my defense is really strong. That LA defense is for 98 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 3: real now, like that, they're really young and super talented. 99 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 3: They've hit that, they've hit it out of the park 100 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: with those draft picks the last couple of years. But 101 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 3: I'm always of the opposite belief, like, if I think 102 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: my defense is superior, I'm going to give them the 103 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 3: short end of the stick. You know, how often do 104 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 3: we hear so this is kind of a larger level question, Colin, 105 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 3: but like how often do we hear coaches say, why 106 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: did you punt at midfield? Well, my defense was playing 107 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: so well, so I decided to punt and play the 108 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: field position battle. And I there and say, if your 109 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 3: defense is playing so well, and your offense is the 110 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 3: side of the ball that might be struggling. So not 111 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 3: necessarily the case for the Rams in that one particular game, 112 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: but just in general, give your offense the extra down, 113 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: Give your offense tip the scales in their favor, and 114 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: if one side of the ball does have to carry 115 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: the load for a little while. 116 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 4: Make it the team. 117 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: Make it the side of the ball that you're telling 118 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 3: everybody has been so dominant. Why give your defense the 119 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 3: short field in that situation and not give your offense 120 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 3: an extra down. And I think that's what teams are 121 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: starting to realize. You see Sirianni on their opening drive touchdown. Now, 122 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: granted they have the ultimate X factor play in the 123 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 3: quarterback sneak, they go for two fourth downs, they end 124 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 3: up with an opening drive touchdown and start the game strong. 125 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 4: So, like, I think we're going to. 126 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 3: Continue to see teams understand field goals get you beat 127 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 3: if no matter how well you think your defense is playing, 128 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 3: if you continue. 129 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 4: I told you this in the break. 130 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 3: If I was a head coach, unless it was the 131 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 3: walk off field goal to win the game or take 132 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: the lead lead, or if it was a fourth and 133 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 3: ten plus, I would never kick a field goal less 134 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 3: than thirty five yards. I just think it's a wasted 135 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: opportunity of getting down in the red zone. And I 136 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 3: think we're going to see more teams adopt that strategy. 137 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: So you're lucky you got to go to Dublin, Ireland, 138 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: which is it's just a great place to go for anything. 139 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: It could be a Guinness Irish whiskey or a football game. 140 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: It's just a great place to go. And you have 141 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: the Vikings and the Steelers. And I think the Vikings 142 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: are a fascinating team because I've watched this with Donald 143 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: and Baker, is that their careers get resurrected and this 144 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 1: didn't happen ten to fifteen years ago. My take is 145 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 1: there are so many smart, young offensive coaches. The beneficiary 146 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: of that is these quarterbacks who get drafted by the 147 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: Jets and go to the Panthers. Donald or it's Bay 148 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: heern he's not quite mature enough in Cleveland. He goes 149 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 1: to la and then he finds Tampa. Is that it's 150 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: giving eyes. This used to be a total outlier. Then 151 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: now it's happening all the time because there's so many 152 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: good offensive coaches. And I argue this last week, I said, well, 153 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz can play, And how do I know that? 154 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: Because all the coaches that like him are all these 155 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: pretty smart offensive guys, and they're like, all, put Carson 156 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: Wentz on my roster. So you're looking at tape now, 157 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: I think today he's better than JJ McCarthy. Maybe not 158 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: in eight weeks, maybe not next year. Today when you 159 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: look at film, can you go on a five game 160 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 1: winning streak with Carson Wentz in Minnesota? 161 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if the Vikings have proved one thing, 162 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 3: if Kevin O'Connell has proved one thing, and they've proved 163 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 3: many things in his time in Minnesota, it's I'm not 164 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: sure there is a coach in the league, a head 165 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 3: coach for sure, or an offensive coordinator who gets the 166 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 3: most out of their quarterback within their system and blends 167 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: the idea of play caller quarterback whisper, confidant, mentor enough 168 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: to them in the behind and get them going, but 169 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 3: also when. 170 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 4: It's time to put their arm around them. 171 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: He has such a unique quality to check all of 172 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: those boxes. It sounds like that would be the given, 173 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 3: But as we all know, a lot of those quarterbacks 174 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 3: you just mentioned did not enter into those kind of 175 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 3: organizations with that kind of fit earlier in their career. 176 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 3: I mean, look what he did with Cousins and Obviously, 177 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 3: Cousins goes in free agency and gets the big deal 178 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 3: post injury with Atlanta. Then what he does last year 179 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: with Sam who goes and gets a huge contract in Seattle. 180 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 3: Now JJ McCarthy, he gets hurt, and now in comes 181 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: Carson Wentz who hasn't been a starter in this league. 182 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 3: He's been on six teams I thinks, or whatever it's 183 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 3: been like. And again this was a one game sample size. 184 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 3: Can they continue to do that week in a week 185 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: out we'll find out this week in Ireland. But he 186 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 3: has such a unique quality where yes he has the 187 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: x's and o's, yes he has the schematic advantage, but 188 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 3: it's all the other stuff. It's the Sean McVay qualities. 189 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 3: It's those are just really unique guys and there's just 190 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: not many of them. And again this is a larger question, 191 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 3: but that's why when you get an opportunity to get 192 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 3: him in your building and you got to hire him 193 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 3: away from LA, you got to make them your head coach. 194 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 3: And you see why teams are going towards young offensive 195 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: minds on the head coaching search. And it gets into 196 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: that whole conversation when you have a guy like Kevin O'Connell. 197 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,760 Speaker 4: And obviously the talent on the roster. 198 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: Your ability to weather quarterback change injuries is just bigger 199 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 3: than most not everybody, but it's bigger than most teams 200 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: around the league. And Kevin O'Connell has proven to be 201 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 3: as good, if not better than any coach in the 202 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: league in regards to developing and getting the best out 203 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 3: of his quarterback. 204 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: So I said, being a quarterback in Chicago is harder 205 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: than Buffalo. So when Josh Allen's first year and a half, 206 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: he was completing fifty six percent of his throws, had 207 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: more picks than touchdowns. They've been to multiple Super Bowls, 208 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: they had Jim Kelly. There is a sense, hey, it's 209 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: a small market, it's the media is kind of supportive. 210 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 4: We're going to make. 211 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: Josh Allen work. He's too talented in Chicago. I mean 212 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: it's loud. The guy's up north, a thirty minute train 213 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: ride up north. Green Bay. Have owned you for three decades. 214 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: And even though Caleb had twenty touchdowns and six picks, 215 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: had amazing moments like there's this sense that if you 216 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: don't get it right this year, we're moving on. And 217 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: I think to myself, I wish Chicago had a little Buffalo. 218 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: The media wasn't as loud, the organization didn't suffer from 219 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: a neighbor up north being dominant. 220 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 5: How long? 221 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: Because I think Caleb is going to be like Josh. 222 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: I think it's going to take time, tons of horsepower, 223 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: great freelancer. I think it's going to take some years. 224 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: How long do you give him? 225 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 3: Well, I'll say you based off this past weekend against Dallas. 226 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 3: I caught parts of the game. I was traveling home 227 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: for my game, so I only saw parts of it. 228 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 3: The parts that I saw, he looked great. I mean, 229 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 3: I call it, and granted it's a preseason game. The 230 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 3: only time I got to see him up close and 231 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: personal this year was in a preseason game where they 232 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 3: blew out Buffalo. And again, preseason games are always tricky. 233 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 4: You kind of got to. 234 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 3: Read through the tea leaves as far as how the 235 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: whole matchup works out. But I think Ben Johnson is 236 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 3: as brilliant an offensive mind as there is in the 237 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 3: game of football. 238 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 4: I felt that way now for a couple of years. 239 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 3: I think it's going to take as much as it's 240 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 3: going to take. Kayleb Williams time to continue I think 241 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 3: it's going to take Ben Johnson time to figure out, 242 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: all right, what works with this personnel group, what works 243 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: in this locker room, what works in these meetings, what 244 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: works in these installs. Likes as much success as he's 245 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 3: had in his time as a play caller in Detroit, 246 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: and as much time as Kayleb Williams and a success 247 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 3: he had in college, it doesn't always just automatically translate 248 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 3: to the next place, because every place is uniquely different, 249 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,199 Speaker 3: and every place has their strengths and weaknesses. Ben Johnson 250 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: is still working through what that looks like being the 251 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 3: head coach in Chicago. Everything you just said is spot on. 252 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: I played there for four years. I understand firsthand what 253 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 3: expectations and the noise and the media. 254 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 4: It's real. 255 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 3: It's not an easy place to play. I think Ben 256 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 3: Johnson's person nalini and demeanor is a good fit. I 257 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 3: don't think he worries too much about outside noise. I 258 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 3: think he's very internally confident. I think as Ben Johnson 259 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: continues to push Caleb Williams and coach him hard and 260 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 3: hold them accountable, I think we're going to steadily see 261 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: and improved Caleb Williams overtime. Now, what is that ceiling? Physically, 262 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: the ceiling is as high, as high as anybody Kenny, 263 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 3: tie all of it together. Obviously, time will tell. I 264 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 3: don't know if any of us really can predict it. 265 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 3: But Ben Johnson didn't take that job because he didn't 266 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 3: think Caleb Williams was going to be a good player. 267 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 3: That was all baked into that decision. And I think 268 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 3: it's just here we are, three weeks in. We've seen 269 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 3: a lot of good They did really well against Dallas, 270 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 3: but their defense is a whole nother story. My guest 271 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 3: right now is we're going to continue to see that 272 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 3: relationship and that offense in Chicago steadily improved. 273 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 274 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: and Neon Easter not a Empacific. 275 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 6: Hey, we're Cavino and Rich Fox Sports Radio every day 276 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 6: five to seven pm Eastern. 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Listen Over Promised 300 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 7: with Covino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts 301 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 7: or wherever you get your podcasts. 302 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: I was watching the Ravens last night and their BRANDZOH 303 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: has been tough, relentless physical, and that defense it doesn't 304 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: do much good. I mean, it's just really struggling. They're 305 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: basically the Cowboys defense without the star and the discussion 306 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: like on the helmet, like they're just not good. And 307 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: I thought to Mysello, strange watching them that Lamar scores 308 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 1: so quickly. It's not complimentary football. The bad defense goes 309 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: back on the field. Like the Lions last year, the 310 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: defense was bad, but they dominated time of possession number 311 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: two in the league. And I watched Baltimore, Greg, I 312 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: do not think you can win a Super Bowl with 313 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: a bad defense. Atlanta's the only team in the last 314 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: decade that got there, and they blew a huge fourth 315 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: quarter league. I looked at Baltimore last night and I'm like, 316 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: we're in week four. Is that solvable? I mean, I 317 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: know they were missing a pass rusher or two, but 318 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: that wasn't a pass rush issue. That wasn't getting bulldozed 319 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: for three and a half hours. I don't know if 320 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: you can win a Super Bowl with that defense. Can 321 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: you solve stuff by week four, five and six. I 322 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,359 Speaker 1: mean the answer is yes, you can. I mean Baltimore 323 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: did it last year. I mean in the first half 324 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:11,119 Speaker 1: the season, their defense was abysmal. 325 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 4: They had a hard time replacing McDonald. 326 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 3: Obviously, he went on and took the head job out 327 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: in Seattle, and they had some growing pains figuring out 328 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 3: what that defensive structure was going to look like. They 329 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: lost a lot of their coaching staff to other teams 330 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: to head coaching jobs. There was some shuffling. So it 331 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 3: took them call it half the season last year to 332 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: really find their way and then down the stretch. 333 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 4: I called their game on Christmas Day, so. 334 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 3: It was late in the year, and they beat Houston 335 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 3: and they were dominant, and obviously the rest is history 336 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 3: through the playoffs and the matchups and losing obviously, But 337 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 3: I do think they can get it better. I think Hardball, 338 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 3: although not a defensive guy by trade, is. 339 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 4: A long time, you know, very established head coach. He's 340 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 4: been through. 341 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 3: Good offense is bad offenses, Good defense is bad defenses. 342 00:15:57,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: I think programs like that that do have stability at 343 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 3: the head coaching position, with the experience that he has, 344 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 3: I think they can get it right. But I agree 345 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 3: with you, they've got a lot of work to do. 346 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 3: The explosive nature of Baltimore's offense is exactly what you 347 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: want in today's day and age. You don't want to 348 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 3: score on ten plus play drives every time if you 349 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: are ultra dependent on time of possession and sit on 350 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: the ball and go in the length of the field 351 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: every time. That's a very hard model in today's game 352 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 3: to sustain. So their quick strike offense is what you want. 353 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,520 Speaker 3: But then your point is exactly correct on the inverse, 354 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 3: when my defense is not playing great, the more I 355 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 3: put them right back on the field to match possession 356 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 3: for possession with my opponent, you're going to see a 357 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 3: high scoring game. And obviously we've seen them play a 358 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 3: few of them now, so they've got to get the 359 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 3: defense squared away. 360 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 4: I would always rather. 361 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: Have an offense that can score thirty any given day 362 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: and fix the defense. 363 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 4: I think it's harder in. 364 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 3: Today's NFL to say, okay, my defense can keep you. 365 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 3: I'm the Browns right like that defense is going to 366 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 3: keep you fifteen to seventeen points a lot. But then 367 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 3: you're just holding your breath, like, how are we ever 368 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 3: gonna score? Is it sustainable beating the Packers in a 369 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 3: game in the teams over the length of the season, 370 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: I would always rather at offense that can score and 371 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 3: then we can figure out together how we can get 372 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 3: that defense to just keep those number as low as possible. 373 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: On the other. 374 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,720 Speaker 1: Side, well, I gotta ask you this. Justin Herbert got 375 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: hit fourteen times, he got pressured fifty five and Jim 376 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: Harbaugh said after the game, you'd never know it in 377 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,719 Speaker 1: his facial expression. He never wins this and there is 378 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: something about toughness. I had a GM tell me this 379 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 1: year's ago. He said, you know the key in this 380 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: league is you think all football players are tough. He goes, 381 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 1: some guys don't like getting hit, and some guys like 382 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: Andrew Luck love to get popped just I want to 383 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: get involved. I look at Herbert and I'm like, Greg, 384 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you played in the NFL for years, you 385 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: had the ability. You were a rare tight end. You 386 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 1: could be tough and block Tony Gonzalez could do this, 387 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: or you could get down the field. But were there 388 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: quarterbacks you played with that you knew that had a 389 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 1: tight end mentality and then other guys they were quarterbacks 390 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: they didn't want to get hit. Because I watched Herbert 391 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that's not everybody, is that? Yeah? 392 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:25,560 Speaker 3: I think there's the spectrum there is very wide. I 393 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 3: don't think I ever played with the guy. Now, I 394 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 3: played with a lot of quarterbacks. I don't think any 395 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 3: of them ever were afraid to get hit but too 396 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 3: come to mind. 397 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 4: That remind me. 398 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: Of Herbert as far as the physicality of the game 399 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: brought out the best in them, and that was obviously 400 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: Cam and in Chicago with Jay Cutler, like there was 401 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:48,439 Speaker 3: a mentality to both of them that if they got sacked, 402 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 3: if they got hit hard, they were going to beat 403 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 3: you up off the ground, get to their feet faster, 404 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 3: to just show like even though I'm dying inside, even 405 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 3: though you got the best of me and I'm hurt, 406 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: and like, I'm never going to let you see that. 407 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 4: Cam had that. 408 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 3: Like we used to joke, Cam's game didn't start until 409 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:06,359 Speaker 3: he either got hit like sacked or like hit as 410 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,920 Speaker 3: a passer, or we just had to call a quarterback 411 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: run and let him just run headfirst into the mic 412 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 3: linebacker on quarterback power and then we're like, okay, the 413 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 3: games officially started. Cutler was the same way, like not 414 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: so much as a designed runner like Cam was, but 415 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: in the open field, he wasn't a big slider, he 416 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 3: wasn't getting down like there was multiple times I could 417 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 3: picture him in my head where he's taking guys on 418 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. I mean at the goal line, 419 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,720 Speaker 3: lowering his shoulder like so those two guys in my 420 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 3: time come to mind as like that physical, not scared, 421 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: not going to flinch, can get hit ten times in 422 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 3: a row, and on the eleventh play, they're going to 423 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 3: hold that ball and let that dig open up just 424 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 3: one half clicks longer, because that's when he needs to 425 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:46,959 Speaker 3: deliver it. 426 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 4: Like, I agree that you can't coach that, like that's. 427 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 3: Ingrained in the DNA of who these guys are and 428 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 3: to play in today's game with the struggles of offensive 429 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,439 Speaker 3: line and the defensive lineman just getting so good, and 430 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 3: the defensive coordinators these simulated pressures and free runners, and 431 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 3: we see these good quarterbacks under fire very often. If 432 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,959 Speaker 3: you can't stand in there and take shots in the pocket, 433 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: and you can't manipulate outside the pocket and every once 434 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 3: in a while just be respectable as a runner. It 435 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: is a very hard way to play quarterback in today's 436 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 3: NFL if you don't have that level of toughness. And 437 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 3: I think for the most part, you look around the 438 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 3: league at the guys Baker, Sam Darnold, like these guys 439 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 3: are inherently tough, physically got physically tough guys. 440 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,719 Speaker 1: Finally, all the football you've played through all the years, 441 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: there's something weird about college football. It's the only sport 442 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 1: that makes me mad. When my Trojan struggle, I'm gonna 443 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: bad mood the rest of Saturday. I watched Miami this year. 444 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: They I've been sold Miami for years. I think this 445 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: team's legit physically. 446 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 3: What say you, Oh, there's no question so Mario Cristobal, 447 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 3: You're not going to find a bigger fan of Mario me. 448 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 4: I've known Mario since I was. 449 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 3: A freshman in high school when I first met him 450 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 3: when he was a GA at Miami, and then he 451 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 3: went with Greg Chiano to Rutgers and I grew up 452 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 3: in Jersey, so they were always at all of our 453 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: games and all of our sporting men. So I go 454 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: back thirty years with twenty five years with Mario. So 455 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: I think the job he's done. I've always said if 456 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 3: he couldn't do it, then nobody could do it. Well, 457 00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 3: obviously he was the guy to do it. They are 458 00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 3: so physical. It's in everything that Mario crystal Ball is about. 459 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 4: He's got a little bit of that. 460 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 3: Dan Campbell where the physicality and the size and his 461 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 3: toughness and the way he communicates is so aggressive, yet 462 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 3: there is an element of sophistication and cerebral and they're 463 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: good recruiters and coaches and motivators. Like he kind of 464 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 3: reminds me a little bit of Dan that in that perspective. 465 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: But man, what a job he's done. But I'm with you. 466 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 4: I was sitting, I was in Philly. 467 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 3: I'm at the Four Seasons in Philly, amazing hotel, kicking 468 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:55,959 Speaker 3: my feet up. I'm going to have a nice night 469 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 3: after production meetings and dinner. I'm gonna watch the Miami 470 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: game and I'm literally wedding in my room. 471 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: That touchdown got called back to the inadvertent whistle. Then 472 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: Florida goes on. 473 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 3: That big drive and I'm like, yeah, oh my god, 474 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 3: we're gonna lose this game all because of that inadvertent whistle. 475 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 3: Now I'm Matt at the refs like it is an 476 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: emotional experience watching a college or a team that you're 477 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:15,879 Speaker 3: invested in. 478 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 479 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 4: I couldn't agree with you more. 480 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can get over an NFL loss in fifteen minutes. 481 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:23,399 Speaker 1: For the cold beer college football losses ring me on 482 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,120 Speaker 1: our kale spin for thirty six hours. 483 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: You should see me with my middle school football team 484 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: that I coach. It'll take me three weeks to get 485 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 3: over a bad game. 486 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: Well, at least you're not kicking field goals. I know 487 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: that about you. 488 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 4: Field goals. We only go for two. 489 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: There you go. Great seeing you, buddy, You're amazing. 490 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 4: I appreciate you. Thanks calling. 491 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: I've had the good fortune to run into Greg off 492 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 1: the air from time to time. He is just about 493 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: as good a human being as you're going to meet. 494 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: We had good dudes on the show today. I mean 495 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: we tolerted Nick Wright, but I got Justin Herbert and 496 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: Greg Olsen. You can't do better than that. 497 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of the weekdays in 498 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 2: noon eastern nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS 499 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: one and the iHeartRadio app. 500 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,160 Speaker 8: Start your Saturday strong with Big Noon Saturday Number twenty one. 501 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 8: USC is looking for a big ten statement win as 502 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 8: they take on the twenty third rank fighting a line 503 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 8: I It all goes down live from Champagne starting with 504 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 8: Big at noon kickoff at ten am Eastern. Then it's 505 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 8: USC Illinois only on Fox. 506 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: I will be at that game. 507 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 8: Jaymac Early start time, early kick for the Trojans. 508 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 5: You worried about that. 509 00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: Nope, I am not worried about myself, even though I'll 510 00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: be having a great time in Chicago on Friday or 511 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:44,040 Speaker 1: the Trojans. I will say this, Illinois's O line is 512 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: struggling and USC's D line is really good. So I 513 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: think it's a lower scoring game. But USC wins by fourteen. 514 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 8: Will you be posting a celebratory cigar puff from your 515 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 8: lavish backyard after the victory? 516 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: No humility. As USC gears toward the College Football Playoff, 517 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: a lot of tough ones still to go. J Mack 518 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: with the. 519 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 2: News, this is the herd line news. 520 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: All right, Coler. 521 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 8: We had that bummer of news yesterday that Nick Bosa 522 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 8: is Donzo for the season with an ACL Here's Kyle 523 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 8: Shanahan talking about what the defense will try to do 524 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 8: in his absence. 525 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 4: You don't just replace a guy like Nick. I mean, 526 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: it just puts you. 527 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 9: Know, everyone's got to key continue to get better at everything, 528 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 9: just like same thing I'd be preaching if we did 529 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 9: have Nick too. You know, when you lose your better players, 530 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 9: it gets harder. But I also expect throughout this year, 531 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 9: I expect all of our players to get better as 532 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 9: it goes, and that's he stressed even that much more. 533 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 9: When you lose a great one like Nick, lots of 534 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 9: guys obviously will have to step it up as it goes, 535 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 9: but I believe that'll be more by committee than any individual. 536 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 5: Tough with Niners. What's up with that line minus three 537 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 5: against the Jags? 538 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 1: I mean. 539 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 8: It feels like a smash spot for the Niners there, 540 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:07,400 Speaker 8: even without Mosa. 541 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, is it Michel Williams the rookie they 542 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: have to? He's been pretty good. I think Solas transformed 543 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: the defense. Don't I don't trust the Jags in big spots. 544 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: I just don't. 545 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: I don't trust them traveling three thousand miles. I would 546 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: say the Niners is to play here. 547 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 8: Yeah, and JAG's coming off that big win, rousing victory 548 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 8: over the Texans. 549 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 5: So the staff thinks. 550 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 8: Yesterday I mentioned Trey Hendrickson as a trade target for 551 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 8: the Niners. Right, Bengals are two and one. I doubt 552 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 8: they give him up. Do you think San Francis? Listen, guys, 553 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 8: when I you and Jennings and Kitt'll come back, We're 554 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 8: fully formed offensively, we need another impact defender. 555 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 5: Do they make a move on A. 556 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 8: Hendrickson, Jeffrey Simmons, if the Titans are ready to just 557 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 8: be like, hey, let's start over. You mentioned I think 558 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 8: Crosby from the Raiders, Well, Pete would fight that tooth 559 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 8: and nail. So yeah, I mean, I think if you're 560 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 8: in a division with Herbert and Mahomes, you don't give 561 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 8: up an elite pass rusher. 562 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 1: So Pete would fight that. I don't know. I think 563 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: they drafted the last thing they need is another expensive 564 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: older guy. I think San Francisco feels good about Ricky 565 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 1: Pearsol the receiver. I think they feel good about Michael Williams. 566 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 1: I think they have a couple. If they have a corner, 567 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: that's a really interesting rookie. So I don't know. I 568 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: don't think they should take on any big contracts. I 569 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 1: mean mac Jones has been a little bit of a 570 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: revelation for them. I mean they're two to zero. Yeah, 571 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: my guess is my guess is they just stand pat 572 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: cross their fingers on help. 573 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 5: So I'm just telling you their schedule gets very easy. 574 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 8: Phillies is difficult, and I know it's not really a race, 575 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 8: but San Francisco, Colin, you look at these quarterbacks are 576 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 8: facing Trevor, Lawrence Stafford and Baker back to back is tough, 577 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,280 Speaker 8: but that might be Baker without Mike Evans. By the way, 578 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 8: they were zero and three last year without Mike. Kevin 579 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 8: s Tampa then it's like Pennock, Stroud, Jackson Dart. 580 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 5: What do you think? 581 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 1: I think they're going to beat the Jags, lose to 582 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: the Rams, and then the Buccaneers game will revisit. Tampa's 583 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: got to start pulling away. You can't, Key, you can't 584 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,359 Speaker 1: live off winning late drives and walk off kick. That's 585 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: not a way to survive. You can't you can survive, 586 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: you can't thrive in the NFL. Doing that just doesn't work. 587 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 8: Kansas City eleven her last year in one score games. 588 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 8: Next up is the Vikings And I don't know what 589 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 8: to make of this story, right, So JJ McCarthy obviously 590 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 8: has the ankle injury. 591 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 5: He's out. So Carson Wentz starts was pretty good. 592 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 8: I mean, the defense got him a couple tuddies. But 593 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 8: people are starting to be like, oh, quarterback controversy, and 594 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 8: Kevin o'canna was asked about it. You let me know 595 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 8: what you make of this answer. 596 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 10: I don't think it's one of those things where it's hey, 597 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 10: the day he's healthy, and if he's healthy the night 598 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 10: before a game, we're gonna just throw him out there 599 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 10: and say, hey, you know, go figure it out. When 600 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 10: you're in the phasing of building up the ten thousand 601 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 10: reps in ten thousand hours of what it takes to 602 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 10: play the position at a very high level, which we 603 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 10: know JJ McCarthy is going to do. You can't cut 604 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 10: corners on that. 605 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 5: You know, people are saying he's leaving the door open. 606 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 1: Yes, you know he should. Carson Wentz was a what 607 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: was this passer? 608 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,920 Speaker 8: Rating well in the forty eight to ten win over 609 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 8: the Bengals because the defense I don't. 610 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: Know, I mean, we'll completion percentage. 611 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 8: He's fourteen or twenty so that, you know, looks decent 612 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,439 Speaker 8: but rudimentary. Matt tells me that's like, I'm not even 613 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 8: gonnamarrass myself on TV. I know he had a good game, 614 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 8: hundred seventy three yards, two touchdowns. It's less about Wentz, Colin, 615 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 8: isn't it more about like the future? 616 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 1: So let me see. He won't commit to McCarthy. He 617 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: was interested in Darnold. They had Daniel Jones. There was 618 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: an Aaron Rodgers rumor drip drip, drip drip. Carson Wentz 619 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: passer rating one twenty nine point eight. Let me check. Yeah, 620 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: that's great. 621 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 8: Can you please put away your jump to conclusions, Matt 622 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 8: and just set down. JJ McCarthy is the guy you 623 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 8: go look at that fourth quarter and come back against 624 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,719 Speaker 8: the Bears. Huh your Bears? 625 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 5: Final story? Colin college football? So breaking news? How about 626 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 5: this one? 627 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,720 Speaker 8: Oklahoma State has fired Mike Gundy one and two starts, dude. 628 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 8: Dude had been with a team for twenty one seasons. Yeah, 629 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 8: they had eight double digit win seasons. He got a 630 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:26,040 Speaker 8: Big twelve title in twenty eleven eighteen bowl games. Although 631 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 8: I don't know what that's worth giving everybody makes a ball. Obviously, 632 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 8: in the offseason, Gundy was kind of combative and he 633 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 8: restructured his deal. This is a bit of a surprise 634 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 8: to me in September to dump him. I mean, this 635 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 8: guy's been been there for twenty plus years, Colin. 636 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 5: I'm a little shock. 637 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: He's gotten cranky and he you know, he's one of 638 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: those guys that steps in at about three times a year, 639 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: and you know, like Dabo has won at the highest level. 640 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 1: I mean, he's done a good job off three star 641 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,920 Speaker 1: recruits to build a pretty good program, but it feels 642 00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: like nil has He's. 643 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 8: Not been good for him right, So you know, usually 644 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 8: we're like, oh, what was some coach k's signature moment. 645 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 8: It's like win a national championship, what was this guy's 646 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 8: Kirby smart blah blah blah. Let's do Mike Gundy because 647 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 8: Colin we have the sound. This is classic, an all 648 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 8: time rant. 649 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 2: Here we go. 650 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 11: If you want to go after an athlete, one of 651 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 11: my athletes, you go after one that doesn't do the 652 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 11: right things. You don't downgrade him because he does everything 653 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 11: right and they not play as well on Saturday, and 654 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 11: you let us make that decision. 655 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: Come after me. 656 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 11: I'm a man, I'm forty, I'm. 657 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 4: Not a kid. Write something about me, Cloie. 658 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: We are writing something about you. You've been fired today, 659 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: that's what we're writing. 660 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 8: I mean, seriously, his biggest it was not like we've 661 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 8: got to a playo. 662 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: He beat No. 663 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 5: He has some good wins, but that's the moment. When 664 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 5: you think Mike Gundy, you. 665 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 1: Think about that, you do, But he also beat the 666 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: Sooners a couple of times in big spots I mean 667 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: that became a very good rivalry because Mike Gundy, with 668 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: three star athletes beat the Sooners. I don't know how 669 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: many times he beat him, but he beat him. I 670 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,720 Speaker 1: can remember two or three off the top of my head. 671 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: So you got to be fair. He Oklahoma State should 672 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: not beat Oklahoma. Oklahoma's way way better athletes. They recruit 673 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: at a totally different level than Oklahoma State. 674 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 5: Okay, fair enough. 675 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: Jmack with the News. 676 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,080 Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the 677 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 2: herd Line News. 678 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I don't even know if I'm a 679 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,360 Speaker 1: man and I'm sixty. Okay, so let's let's put up 680 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: the college football oh schedule this week. I mean, I 681 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: know where I was spent twelve hours watching average games 682 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 1: last week. I spent twelve hours watching Nebraska. What a 683 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: waste of my life. 684 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 8: By the way, Penn State is up to minus four 685 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 8: against the Ducks. 686 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,280 Speaker 1: I like Penn State, and that's spot seems like everybody does. Well, 687 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: it's a home it's a What about. 688 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 5: Your guy Dante Moore the quarterbay, isn't I. 689 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: Mean, he's Oregon's a live dog. I mean, they can 690 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: win it. Absolutely. I'll take USC I'll take Ohio State. 691 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 5: Lane Kiff and Brian Kelly. That's that's a B. 692 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,640 Speaker 1: I'll take l s U. I'll take A and m 693 00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 1: over Auburn. Oh, boy, Indiana, right, I'll take with Iowa 694 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 1: there and they just take Oregon. I think I may 695 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,480 Speaker 1: take Oregon and that start to win outright, Yeah, wow, 696 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: I think I may. 697 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 5: Boy, James Franklin is going to get it. 698 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: I'll take Georgia if he mostly I'll take the home teams, 699 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: but I'll take LSU to beat Old Miss. 700 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 5: Why is it because of nus Meyer? 701 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 1: I think? Yeah, I mean I think and I think 702 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 1: they've kind of got their act together defensively now they're 703 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,480 Speaker 1: they're they're gonna shut All Miss down. 704 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 8: Boy, if Brian Kelly loses that game, oh, I can't 705 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 8: wait for the postgame. Remember how how combat if he 706 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,080 Speaker 8: was after they beat Florida and he got a question. 707 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: When he comes out and says, I'm a man, I'm 708 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: sixty three, and we'll have another great SoundBite. Uh yeah. 709 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: I like Ohio State will win his road team. I 710 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: think Ohio State and Oregon can both win his red teams. 711 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: By the way, Mike gun to beat the Sooners four 712 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: times we comm that's something that's pretty impressive.