Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Frida Egg Podcast.
Speaker 1: Today I am joined by PGA Tour player Joel Damon.
Speaker 1: Joel lives down in Scottsdale, Arizona. He is from Washington
Speaker 1: originally and has been on tour for a couple of
Speaker 1: years amidst the best year of his career. It's on
Speaker 1: pause right now, but he will be back out there
Speaker 1: as soon as golf is back out there. It was
Speaker 1: fun talking to Joel, one of my favorite follows on
Speaker 1: Twitter of all the pro golfers.
Speaker 2: I miss the green for example, I'm already upset when
Speaker 2: I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 3: And when I find my ball in Arid Egg Frida
Speaker 3: Egg Friday, Friday.
Speaker 1: Bride Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off the
Speaker 1: golf course. Hey, how good is Nick Taylor at Mario.
Speaker 2: Kart Legit no joke, like top ten in the world.
Speaker 2: He's a way better Mario Kart player than he has
Speaker 2: a PJ. Griblair by far. You can look at he
Speaker 2: this last week or something on his Twitter.
Speaker 3: He put out.
Speaker 2: Some of his lap times and they're like no one's
Speaker 2: even coming close, Like it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a legit claim. That is a real
Speaker 1: thing in Canada.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean I would be.
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, obviously there's maybe somebody else out
Speaker 2: there who's been playing it for the last twenty five years.
Speaker 2: But the amount of time that Nick spent, Kevin Spooner spent,
Speaker 2: was there other roommate, a college sculfer at you dub
Speaker 2: and then myself, I was a distant third among the
Speaker 2: three of us. But I still have not met somebody
Speaker 2: who can beat me consistently in a race. So they
Speaker 2: they have better drifting capabilities and they're better peer drivers,
Speaker 2: but I still be somebody who can beat me the
Speaker 2: way that I use items, the way that I understand
Speaker 2: kind of how to race.
Speaker 3: It is just I haven't.
Speaker 2: So Nick and Kevin are way better than I'll ever be,
Speaker 2: and I'm better than i've I've never raised somebody who
Speaker 2: can touch me.
Speaker 1: It's funny how when you play with somebody that is
Speaker 1: like really good at something like I haven't. I had
Speaker 1: a buddy who won a state title in tennis, and
Speaker 1: playing him in like paddle tennis and ping pong growing up,
Speaker 1: I would just get waxed. I couldn't even like core points.
Speaker 1: But then you play somebody else and you're like, you
Speaker 1: just kill them. But exactly, guys are really good. They
Speaker 1: just it's like demoralizing playing it really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're I mean, it's it is remarkable. I know
Speaker 2: that Nick has kicked up.
Speaker 3: He actually his.
Speaker 2: Place here in scott still. He's you know, he's been
Speaker 2: here for the last but over two or three weeks,
Speaker 2: and he's.
Speaker 1: Moved.
Speaker 2: He had to get an old TV that had the
Speaker 2: proper av jacks, took up the instinct spot. He moved
Speaker 2: it into the proper living room and he set it
Speaker 2: up and he has this whole thing just set up
Speaker 2: just for him and is in sixty four.
Speaker 3: So he's been putting time in for sure.
Speaker 1: He's getting in peak season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Now would be a bad time to race neck.
Speaker 1: So you what have you been doing with this huge break?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm I'm pretty good at doing nothing,
Speaker 2: like one of the best to doing nothing.
Speaker 3: So this doesn't really bother me too much.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously I want to be out there playing
Speaker 2: and competing, but it's great to be home. I got
Speaker 2: a great black lab he's six years old named Murphy W.
Speaker 2: I hang out with all the time. He just dropped
Speaker 2: the ball at my feet actually, so he wants to
Speaker 2: go outside and play. My wife is unbelievable cook, so
Speaker 2: she's been cooking a ton. I've been doing puzzles, playing
Speaker 2: board games. Have not unpacked my bag, so laundry doesn't
Speaker 2: really happened. I still have the bag from the Players
Speaker 2: Championship in my room. Travel bag is still in the
Speaker 2: back of the car, so I haven't really with the
Speaker 2: golf club, so I haven't done much of that either.
Speaker 2: But we have a nice backyard, a nice pool. I
Speaker 2: play dards, play cornhole, kind of anything, and then I'm
Speaker 2: pretty good at sleeping too, so I do a lot
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 1: I feel like I call cornhole bags.
Speaker 3: I don't know it's the thing, but I think it's
Speaker 3: a regional thing, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like golfers are like the best bags players
Speaker 1: in the world because it's I feel like it's very
Speaker 1: similar to like pitching, hitting like a pitch shot.
Speaker 2: Almost yeah, yeah, sure, I mean, yeah, you could definitely
Speaker 2: make that argument. I think that a lot of golfers
Speaker 2: are great at bar games, or you know, I don't
Speaker 2: have any bar games necessarily, but you know, other other
Speaker 2: little competitive games that don't require like running or jumping.
Speaker 2: I think golfers are some of the best athletes at
Speaker 2: I mean it's you get ping pong, or you get darts,
Speaker 2: you get bags or cornhole, you get little things like that.
Speaker 3: Pretty pretty tough bunch, you know.
Speaker 2: You If you take the best golfers, man, I think
Speaker 2: we'd suck up pretty well across the board.
Speaker 1: Anything that doesn't require like speed and athleticism.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean, uh yeah, I think that's pretty fair.
Speaker 3: Obviously we can't we can't hold our own on any
Speaker 3: of those competitions.
Speaker 2: But I would put you know, if you took the
Speaker 2: ten best golfers and you put them against you know,
Speaker 2: top ten of the other athletes and these smaller sports,
Speaker 2: I guess I would call him a maybe out a six.
Speaker 3: Pack of beer on the side. I think the golfers
Speaker 3: would be pretty darn good at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's I I agree with that. Especially the more
Speaker 1: beer you put involved in it, it's the better, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I imagine, you know, you get a
Speaker 2: guy like Kissner or some of those guys. I think
Speaker 2: Coltons can probably play, and he's retired now, but I
Speaker 2: imagine Gary Woodland with with the bags would be unbelievable.
Speaker 2: So you get you know, decent athletes out there, and
Speaker 2: I mean Rory's out there playing tennis like he's ripping
Speaker 2: four hands down the line.
Speaker 3: I mean that's pretty impressive stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I imagine the skill of being good at doing
Speaker 1: nothing is actually probably pretty valuable as a tour pro
Speaker 1: because we do.
Speaker 2: A lot of that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, I feel.
Speaker 1: Like that's a misconception, is that, like you guys actually
Speaker 1: have a ton of time because you can't practice all
Speaker 1: day long.
Speaker 2: No, and rest and recovery is just important as you
Speaker 2: know out you know, when we're out there practicing all
Speaker 2: the time, as much as we travel different hotel rooms,
Speaker 2: always eating out, stuff like that, you have to be
Speaker 2: really good at doing nothing, whether that's netflix. So we
Speaker 2: will spend more time working out, you know whatever, spending
Speaker 2: time with your family. But it's like a lot of
Speaker 2: a lot of downtime. You know what, if you have
Speaker 2: an afternoon tea time, then you have all morning do nothing.
Speaker 2: If you have a morning tea time, you're early off
Speaker 2: and you're done. You can't sleep all afternoon, so you
Speaker 2: got you got to do basically nothing. Whatever that is
Speaker 2: so yeah, some guys travel with video games on the road,
Speaker 2: some guys read some books, whatever it may be. But
Speaker 2: doing nothing is definitely a skilly Neal and PJ tour,
Speaker 2: especially when you take days off, like a Monday off.
Speaker 1: Do you prefer a certain draw Do you like going
Speaker 1: morning afternoon or morning afternoon or afternoon morning?
Speaker 2: I like late early, so I like going off yeah,
Speaker 2: in the afternoon and Thursday and waking up and just
Speaker 2: playing again quickly Friday.
Speaker 3: I think the golf course changes less in that time period.
Speaker 2: If you play early Thursday and late Friday, golf course
Speaker 2: can change a ton in that twenty four hours gets
Speaker 2: Tinday and we can get firm and fast on Friday afternoon,
Speaker 2: where Thursday morning is typically the easiest time of the
Speaker 2: golf course.
Speaker 3: You know, everything is still kind of wet and slow.
Speaker 2: And but also if you play well Thursday afternoon, all
Speaker 2: you do is you go home, eat, wake up, and
Speaker 2: play against So there's not a lot of time to
Speaker 2: think about it.
Speaker 3: You're in a good rhythm still most of the time.
Speaker 2: And I like posting early Friday because then you go
Speaker 2: out later Saturday as well, And I don't know, I'd
Speaker 2: be really curious. I guess the dad is out there somewhere,
Speaker 2: but it'd be really interesting to see what my splits
Speaker 2: are on the waves and see which one I actually
Speaker 2: could play better wrong, because I feel like I play
Speaker 2: better late early, but maybe that's not the case at all.
Speaker 1: I think that's the better one too, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: if you play well, you're just basically continuing the round.
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing better than just getting to keep going.
Speaker 1: When you're playing well, you know, absolutely, Yeah, the more
Speaker 1: time you have to think about it, the worst golf
Speaker 1: usually goes. So any any hobbies that you picked up
Speaker 1: while you're while you've been doing that, you said, puzzles, anything, Yeah.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: The we've been quarantining with the Harkins. Brandon Harkins played
Speaker 2: on tour for a couple of years and he lives
Speaker 2: just up the road. So the only people we've been
Speaker 2: seeing is Brandon his life Rachel. They puzzle like crazy.
Speaker 2: He also play a lot of dominoes. That's a game
Speaker 2: we just picked up. My wife and I they've been playing,
Speaker 2: you know, their whole lives. I was kind of family
Speaker 2: game for them, but we've been playing dominoes.
Speaker 3: That's been fun. It's cars it's very slight.
Speaker 2: No, So we've been quarantinating with the Harkins and playing dominoes.
Speaker 3: So that's that's a fun way. Puzzlers one right next
Speaker 3: to me. It is a kind of every city, every
Speaker 3: major city in every state, so that's kind of fun.
Speaker 3: It's a great way to pass the time.
Speaker 2: Digging into a couple of bottles of wine has been
Speaker 2: has been nicely. We've kind of gathered a large white
Speaker 2: collection over the last couple of years and don't drink
Speaker 2: it a ton.
Speaker 3: Uh, So we've been kind of digging into that.
Speaker 2: And I've been reading a couple of books, uh, Ryan Holliday,
Speaker 2: which actually Rory kind of made famous this last year.
Speaker 2: I actually read The Ego as the Enemy prior to
Speaker 2: that and The Obstacle Is Away. Those are two books
Speaker 2: that are pretty popular read. It's some of those. And
Speaker 2: I can watch Netflix with anybody, man, I can crush
Speaker 2: the Netflix. So that and between social media and just
Speaker 2: wasting time.
Speaker 1: What are your Netflix recommendations everybody?
Speaker 2: Well, Tiger King is obviously uh popular. I probably watched
Speaker 2: that at this point. I think we're gonna start Ozark soon.
Speaker 2: We watched My Wife.
Speaker 3: It's just garbage, garbage, TV, but it's called the Circle.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't. I can only do it in
Speaker 1: small dude.
Speaker 3: It is so bad.
Speaker 2: But it was like I was looking at kind of
Speaker 2: on the competitive aspect, they're trying to win the game,
Speaker 2: they're trying to kind of cap.
Speaker 3: Fish each other, whatever the whole deal was.
Speaker 2: So that one for me like kind of got me
Speaker 2: hooked and I just hate that crap, but it was
Speaker 2: it was pretty funny. But I also watched on Netflix recently,
Speaker 2: Huh what else? Yeah, man, you can, I like any
Speaker 2: documentaries anything. I'm a big murderment street guy, so anything
Speaker 2: along those lines, and mind Hunter is a good one.
Speaker 2: When we watched recently, Yeah, anything documentary, I'm pretty big into.
Speaker 1: That's.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They got the Bulls Bulls doc coming up the Jordan.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's good. That's coming out what in two weeks?
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, ten days.
Speaker 3: Something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I'm excited about for sure. SuperSonics, I
Speaker 1: know it's Uh.
Speaker 3: It was just on the MLB Network yesterday.
Speaker 2: I had the ninety five Marriers when he came back
Speaker 2: from O two on the Yankees in the divisional rounds.
Speaker 3: So that was fun to watch that game. Five.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you pitched that game right.
Speaker 2: Well, he came in relief, so he pitched game four,
Speaker 2: and then he came back on one day rest, uh
Speaker 2: and pitched like three or four.
Speaker 3: He actually didn't pitch that great.
Speaker 2: He gave up. He gave up a run in the eleventh,
Speaker 2: but that's when Edgar hit the double down the line.
Speaker 3: So yeah, with that.
Speaker 2: But then the ninety six Sonics, man, we were so
Speaker 2: good Atry Payton, Sean Kent Uh that left Shrimp, Percy Hawkins.
Speaker 2: We had a crew Nate McMillan, so we were good.
Speaker 2: I mean we were good probably yeah. Yeah, he was
Speaker 2: our center of the big easy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. We had Ian that was our year.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously, you know, Jordan's beating everybody at that time,
Speaker 2: and I couldn't love in the finals. So it was
Speaker 2: a little disappointing.
Speaker 3: I mean I was still.
Speaker 2: Youngest time, but I remember vividly the good years of
Speaker 2: the Sonics.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I got so spoiled as a kid because I
Speaker 1: had the Bulls when I think we're around the same age,
Speaker 1: so it's like I grew up with, you know, watching
Speaker 1: the NBA and the Bulls and they've win every single
Speaker 1: year and it's just like, and you know, I think
Speaker 1: we're paying for it now a Chicago fans, we haven't
Speaker 1: had the best run of sports, but.
Speaker 3: Yeah, certainly.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the year with with Jordans, I mean when
Speaker 2: he went ninety two, three four, took.
Speaker 3: A year off or.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then came back ninety eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was like a sneaky Utah jazz fan.
Speaker 2: I know it's probably not allowed, but being a Sonics fan,
Speaker 2: but I was a huge fan of Stockton. He was
Speaker 2: a Spokane guy and I grew up not far from him.
Speaker 2: So you know, they couldn't take down Jordan the bulls.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited for that documentary. That'll be fun and
Speaker 2: it'll you know, hopefully give everybody a little bit of
Speaker 2: hope during this crazy time.
Speaker 1: Hey, so talk about growing up in eastern Washington. It's
Speaker 1: not exactly a hot ad for golfers in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sneaky amount of guys actually. So Kirk Triplett was
Speaker 2: from went to high school in Pullman, Washington. Follow that guy, yeah,
Speaker 2: and then he went to University of Nevada Reno and
Speaker 2: obviously had a pretty successful career for Jews years now,
Speaker 2: thirty years probably out there, but.
Speaker 3: He was there. Alex Prue is from Spokane. He was
Speaker 3: a couple of.
Speaker 2: Years older than me, but uh, it a guy and
Speaker 2: then you know, quart off you guys in Seattle area
Speaker 2: through the years. But where I grew up was two
Speaker 2: hours south of Spokane, five hours east of Boise and
Speaker 2: five hours sorry, five hours north of Boise and five
Speaker 2: hours east of Seattle. So pocket in the southeast corner
Speaker 2: of the state on the Snakeer River.
Speaker 3: It was the lowest spot in Idaho.
Speaker 2: It was loose and Idaho and then we were at
Speaker 2: you know, only six or seven hundred feet so could play.
Speaker 3: Golf year round, maybe a week.
Speaker 2: Off of snow, but not much fun, fun place to
Speaker 2: grow up with the outdoors, fishing, hunting, did all sorts
Speaker 2: of stuff on the river, skiing and jet skiing, and
Speaker 2: so it was a great spot. I had a little
Speaker 2: country club I grew up on that was one hundred
Speaker 2: bucks a month as a family afford to join, and
Speaker 2: we drove drove my golf cart down there. Uh, played
Speaker 2: almost every day in the summer, and it was just
Speaker 2: kind of what we did. But certainly certainly a small
Speaker 2: town and not a whole lot of not a whole
Speaker 2: lot going on there, which is probably good for a
Speaker 2: kid grown up.
Speaker 1: You probably had going to junior term as you were
Speaker 1: always having to travel a ton for that stuff, right exactly.
Speaker 2: So my mom was a school teacher, so she had
Speaker 2: summers off and we would hop in the minivan and
Speaker 2: we would drive. Almost every event was in Spokane for
Speaker 2: a lot of the beginning of the year, and then
Speaker 2: the bigger.
Speaker 3: Turments were was in Seattle, so two hours.
Speaker 2: We'd drive up in the morning, play, come back in
Speaker 2: the evening, and then Seattle.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd have to make.
Speaker 2: The five hour trek over there often for every type
Speaker 2: of state tournament or qualifiers or anything that was you know,
Speaker 2: bigger than.
Speaker 3: A regional deal.
Speaker 2: We did.
Speaker 3: We did a lot of traveling in the minivans for
Speaker 3: a long time.
Speaker 1: Not to bring up a sore subject, but you know,
Speaker 1: I'll relate. I flunked out of college. Yeah, nice, and
Speaker 1: obviously it completely changed my life. Like it was like
Speaker 1: a moment in time were at a you know, relative
Speaker 1: young age. I kind of had a like wake up
Speaker 1: moment where it's like, what the what the hell are
Speaker 1: you doing? Did you went through something just like that?
Speaker 1: How did it kind of change the way you approached
Speaker 1: golf in life in general.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I was from a small town, you know,
Speaker 2: at ten thousand people in my town, and I was
Speaker 2: a big fish and small pond and had a lot
Speaker 2: of people looking out for me. As soon as I
Speaker 2: went to you Dub over in Seattle, I was just
Speaker 2: another human on a massive campus in a huge city.
Speaker 2: And I was not ready for that. I you know,
Speaker 2: I was struggling with the passing of my mother. I
Speaker 2: lost my mom a year and a half prior, so
Speaker 2: I was just a lost kid who.
Speaker 3: Kind of took everything for granted.
Speaker 2: And I really enjoyed the social time at you Dub.
Speaker 3: I was pretty good at that. I was.
Speaker 2: I was a coordinator for a lot of my friends,
Speaker 2: made sure that we all have fun on the weekends,
Speaker 2: and for me it was sometimes midweek as well. I
Speaker 2: was plenty smart, like I didn't have any problem with
Speaker 2: I just didn't really go to client. Didn't think I
Speaker 2: needed to go to class. I thought it was this
Speaker 2: cool athlete who could just play golf. I was starting
Speaker 2: as a freshman and doing just fine and didn't really
Speaker 2: heat it in the warnings that were coming along the
Speaker 2: way either, And before I knew it, I was out
Speaker 2: of school, and you know, I had every opportunity to
Speaker 2: come back. I could go get my grades up at
Speaker 2: a local college and tried that for a bit, and
Speaker 2: I just really had no interest in school and had
Speaker 2: no interest in really doing anything in life.
Speaker 3: Really. I wasn't even really playing golf. I was just
Speaker 3: kind of hanging out and being a lazy bumb So.
Speaker 2: After the money ran out, which didn't take very long,
Speaker 2: I was a little bit of a wake up call
Speaker 2: of what the heck am I gonna do with my life?
Speaker 2: And you know, you I could go back to school,
Speaker 2: but that didn't seem very fun. Or I could try
Speaker 2: this golf thing out, and so I rounded up some
Speaker 2: money and tried.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: I didn't want a job, so I tried pretty hard.
Speaker 2: Luckily it all worked.
Speaker 3: Out for me in the end.
Speaker 2: But man, at eighteen to twenty twenty one, twenty two,
Speaker 2: I was I wasn't doing much productive in my life.
Speaker 1: I had kind of the same thing. It wasn't like
Speaker 1: the school that was the problem. That was like getting
Speaker 1: to school that was.
Speaker 3: The problem exactly.
Speaker 1: And you just like that's why, you know, I ended
Speaker 1: up going back. But that's why I always tell people,
Speaker 1: it's like, all you have to do is go to class.
Speaker 1: In college, if you go to class, it's impossible to
Speaker 1: not like pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you just turn If you go to class,
Speaker 2: you just turn in this souf you're supposed to turn in.
Speaker 3: No matter how happy it is, they're going to get
Speaker 3: you out of there. Yeah. I was.
Speaker 2: I remember it was my first thing in whatever three
Speaker 2: weeks in we had to turn in like a ten
Speaker 2: ten page paper and I had never written anything like
Speaker 2: that in my life. And I had no idea what
Speaker 2: it was doing. To have tutors to help us, and
Speaker 2: we had all to help me get I just just.
Speaker 3: Figured out whatever.
Speaker 2: In high school, I could kind of get by the
Speaker 2: teachers liked me, and I could scribble something down and
Speaker 2: get by. But college you just have to show up
Speaker 2: and do a little bit of work. And they give
Speaker 2: anybody a degree if you get out of it. But
Speaker 2: you just have put in your time. And I wasn't
Speaker 2: willing to do that, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Do you think that you went through this period where
Speaker 1: you weren't doing much, You were you were hanging out
Speaker 1: probably you know, partying and everything, and that then when
Speaker 1: you were young pro trying to make it it actually
Speaker 1: helped you because you had already like gotten some stuff
Speaker 1: out of your system.
Speaker 3: Uh. Yes and no.
Speaker 2: So it helped me be able to compete at a
Speaker 2: high level while still partying was the problem. Uh. My
Speaker 2: sponsor was incredible for many years. He always funded whatever.
Speaker 2: You know, I was good enough of golf to kind
Speaker 2: of keep it afloat for a couple of years and
Speaker 2: played on the Canadian Tour and did find up there
Speaker 2: and played played pretty well the mini tours everywhere I went,
Speaker 2: state opens and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I didn't take it. I mean the money.
Speaker 2: I had my bills paid and I had enough money
Speaker 2: to have some beer at the same time. So it
Speaker 2: wasn't tell the guys that was better than around me.
Speaker 2: For a couple years, We're moving onto the Web Tour
Speaker 2: and on the PJ Tour and I'm like, whoa wait,
Speaker 2: I'm better than you, Like why are you out there?
Speaker 3: And I'm not so.
Speaker 2: A couple of years before a wake up call happened,
Speaker 2: you know, cancer for being dined with cancer help with
Speaker 2: that as well. That was a little okay, dude, maybe
Speaker 2: you should probably take this more seriously and not waste
Speaker 2: the opportunity you have. You know, you don't how long
Speaker 2: the opportunity to the window golf is going to stay open.
Speaker 2: So it was a little combo of everything, but certainly
Speaker 2: really started I guess trying really hard in twelve and
Speaker 2: you know, get working with a swing instructor and doing
Speaker 2: everything that way, and you know, since then, I've been
Speaker 2: on a steady, steady rise.
Speaker 3: I guess you.
Speaker 1: Kind of lived a lot of life early in life,
Speaker 1: you know, in a way certainly, Yeah, tweet everything with
Speaker 1: it rise obviously, what going from many tours Canada, Web Tour,
Speaker 1: PGA tour, did you feel like, what's the difference at
Speaker 1: each level? I guess, and how you felt does it
Speaker 1: take it? Did it take time to acclimate and and
Speaker 1: really start to feel comfortable at each level or did
Speaker 1: it you know were there? You know, did you always
Speaker 1: feel comfortable at a certain level and there was a
Speaker 1: moment where you know you had to you felt like
Speaker 1: you had to adjust.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I always felt comfortable in the Canadian tour. I just
Speaker 3: wasn't super sharp.
Speaker 2: I had to, you know, just get a little bit
Speaker 2: better at everything kind of deal. I always hit the
Speaker 2: battle kaye chipped and putted okay, but Canada was just
Speaker 2: kind of just sticking to it and you know, grinding
Speaker 2: it out a little bit and staying patient up there,
Speaker 2: which is hard to do. But felt okay on the
Speaker 2: Web Tour now the corn Fairy Tour, I guess. But
Speaker 2: I did okay out there first year, hung around. I
Speaker 2: didn't feel overwhelmed because there wasn't you were playing with
Speaker 2: like your childhood heroes. You weren't playing with Saw on
Speaker 2: TV all the time. It was just kind of a
Speaker 2: you know, show up and play the event and hopefully
Speaker 2: you do okay. And I did find out there, But
Speaker 2: as soon as I got to the PJ Tour, I
Speaker 2: was kind of in shell shock. I was wet eyed
Speaker 2: and bushy tailed, and didn't really know if I belonged
Speaker 2: or not.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: It took a long time. The rookie year, I had
Speaker 2: no sense of belonging. I didn't think that's good enough.
Speaker 2: Only got to play in sixteen events because I was
Speaker 2: playing poorly, and then you know that the numbers didn't
Speaker 2: work out for me very well. Then luckily got my
Speaker 2: card back through the Web Tour finals, so I got
Speaker 2: into a crack at it and started to show some
Speaker 2: promise on a little bit better golf and got more
Speaker 2: comfortable out there, and about halfway through the year, I
Speaker 2: was skinted, picking it up a little.
Speaker 3: Bit and feeling like I compete.
Speaker 2: And then I went on a nice run in the
Speaker 2: summer of you know, I finished fifth and then second,
Speaker 2: and then I get another top ten the week after that.
Speaker 3: So it was like a really good run that let
Speaker 3: me know.
Speaker 2: That I could compete out there and hang around for
Speaker 2: a long time, and what I had was good enough.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it probably took me thirty events before
Speaker 2: I felt okay on the VJ Tour like I should
Speaker 2: be out here week in and week out.
Speaker 3: I can't compete, you know, with.
Speaker 2: With most of these guys, and then, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: getting better a little bit too helps, But for me,
Speaker 2: it was it was thirty events.
Speaker 3: It was a year and a half before I feld
Speaker 3: okay out there about.
Speaker 2: Actually showing up to events knowing I could compete, knowing
Speaker 2: that I could be out here a while, and to
Speaker 2: get colpful with it.
Speaker 1: I imagine at every level you're you're seeing people like
Speaker 1: your peers that you've played with your entire life, and
Speaker 1: then it becomes smaller and smaller every way every step up,
Speaker 1: and then that you get the PGA Tour, and there's
Speaker 1: so few of them around. It's so exactly so a
Speaker 1: few familiar faces, uh being you had your status when
Speaker 1: you came out. You were number twenty five on the
Speaker 1: on the web money list, and so that gave you
Speaker 1: just a spot where you just didn't How hard was
Speaker 1: it not knowing when you were going to play even.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was really tough. In the year that I
Speaker 3: came in, it like.
Speaker 2: In the fall of sixteen was my rookie year, and
Speaker 2: the numbers were absolutely forever reason. I don't know exactly why,
Speaker 2: but nobody on the web was getting any starts and
Speaker 2: I definitely wasn't. So I only played two events in
Speaker 2: the fall. I got into my rookie year. I got
Speaker 2: into Sanderson Farms, which is a half point event, and
Speaker 2: I got into RSM Sea Island, So it's two events
Speaker 2: in the fall. I missed both cuts. I only got
Speaker 2: in two events on the West Coast. I got into
Speaker 2: Palm Springs on a sponsor invite because they had to
Speaker 2: give the last of the corn ferry guys a spot,
Speaker 2: so I got there.
Speaker 3: And I got into Pebble Beach, which.
Speaker 2: Everyone gets into because it's a big field with three
Speaker 2: courses and.
Speaker 1: You're playing celebrity that yeah, yeah, exactly, so I exactly.
Speaker 2: I played in two proms, so four events through the
Speaker 2: West Coast Swing, and I made a cut at Pebble,
Speaker 2: but I finished.
Speaker 3: Like last so through like February, and then I didn't.
Speaker 2: I saw it was bttom in the web list because
Speaker 2: I started the bottom made one cut, and then I
Speaker 2: didn't get anything in Florida. That's another four weeks off,
Speaker 2: and I finally got into Puerto Rico, which is a
Speaker 2: half point event again, and I think I got into
Speaker 2: Valero maybe. So I had like six events through like March,
Speaker 2: which is just brutal and when you only made one cut.
Speaker 2: So by the time I could actually start playing, I
Speaker 2: didn't play back to back weeks on tour until after
Speaker 2: the US opened, which is people don't realize that from
Speaker 2: the outside, Like if you don't play well in the
Speaker 2: fall and that web out of that corn ferry membership,
Speaker 2: like you can drop a long ways or you can
Speaker 2: rise a long ways to gets you in a ton
Speaker 2: of events where it's too bad that I don't know
Speaker 2: what the answer is. I'm not smart enough to figure
Speaker 2: out what the answer is. You get more playing opportunities,
Speaker 2: but if you get behind the ball early, it is
Speaker 2: really tough to get out of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then you're it's it's mid June
Speaker 1: or late June, and you're so far down. You got
Speaker 1: so much pressure. Every time you may make a starts
Speaker 1: like I better play really well. I gotta I've got
Speaker 1: to get three hundred and fifty fed X Cup points
Speaker 1: and exactly five eight ten starts. It's I mean, it's
Speaker 1: interesting because you've got all these like you've got past
Speaker 1: champion statuses that pull in, and you've got the medicals
Speaker 1: and you know, I know, like this year that we
Speaker 1: saw fields that had like eighteen medical guys and it
Speaker 1: and it's even you know, you're even got guys with
Speaker 1: full status that are having trouble getting into events, you know,
Speaker 1: And it's a it's an interesting situation because you just
Speaker 1: have there are so many guys with some sort of status.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know how many actually categories there are on
Speaker 3: the PDO Tour like.
Speaker 2: Exemption or whatever, but there's a ton. I don't know
Speaker 2: if there's too many. I don't know how to make
Speaker 2: it more fair.
Speaker 3: I don't know how to get my.
Speaker 2: More guys more starts, but it's not easy, and the
Speaker 2: answer is better, But what if everybody plays better, then
Speaker 2: that's it's still unfair to somebody. So I wish I
Speaker 2: knew the answer. If you made fields bigger, if you
Speaker 2: because you know you have daylight for daylight problems for
Speaker 2: for half the time.
Speaker 3: So you go to two courses on some events. It's tough.
Speaker 2: It's it's a lot harder once you can keep it's
Speaker 2: harder to keep your card.
Speaker 3: It's harder to get.
Speaker 2: On the tour than to keep your card, but it's
Speaker 2: even harder to keep your card the first year. Once
Speaker 2: you can do that, then you can set your schedule
Speaker 2: a little bit and you already know what you're doing
Speaker 2: and you can kind of plan it around and be okay.
Speaker 3: It's the hardest thing in the world, is rookie to
Speaker 3: keep your card.
Speaker 1: And then if you win, it's really hard to lose
Speaker 1: your card.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, then you get into you get into all
Speaker 2: the invites, you get in.
Speaker 3: Some bigger stuff. I call it the PGA Tour and
Speaker 3: the PGB Tour.
Speaker 2: The PGA Tour is top fifty in the world where
Speaker 2: you get in all the majors, You get into the WGCs.
Speaker 3: I mean that is really you. She get in the
Speaker 3: top fifty. It's hard to drop out of the top fifty.
Speaker 2: You can cruise and hang in there for a long time.
Speaker 2: Now it's really hard to crack that top twenty. You
Speaker 2: got to be really golf in your ball. But you
Speaker 2: see a lot of guys hanging between thirty and fifty
Speaker 2: for a long time, you know, and that's it's just
Speaker 2: hard to be. The other thing is, if you're a
Speaker 2: guy like me as a journeyman, if you I have
Speaker 2: the divisor of.
Speaker 3: The world rankings, I don't really know how it works,
Speaker 3: but I have fifty.
Speaker 2: We're always playing every event we can to keep our
Speaker 2: status and to keep going.
Speaker 3: So now our divisor's fully maxed out.
Speaker 2: Or maybe there's some guy who only has forty events
Speaker 2: on there, so he's devising by less events and he
Speaker 2: gets more points per event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there, and he is a floor in some
Speaker 1: of those events. Like say he's a guy that plays
Speaker 1: a hero and like automatically gets the equivalent of a
Speaker 1: top fifty in a regular event.
Speaker 2: Right, which is easy to bitch and moan about when
Speaker 2: you're on the outside.
Speaker 3: But if I get there as soon as I get there,
Speaker 3: I'm like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is great, this is totally fair, and you
Speaker 2: are making all the money and you're doing whatever you want.
Speaker 3: And he satisfied contracts, and like.
Speaker 2: I get it's I don't I don't know how to
Speaker 2: change his system. I know the tour is working on
Speaker 2: revising the world ranking system to make it more.
Speaker 3: Pg T or heavy or I guess more equals what
Speaker 3: they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys maybe who play other tours,
Speaker 2: who are getting more points in some events that maybe
Speaker 2: just don't quite add up. I know that's kind of
Speaker 2: been an off and on squabble. It's kind of fun
Speaker 2: to see on social media when somebody calls out a
Speaker 2: year tour player, a guy from you know, plays at
Speaker 2: Japan too, or something like that. But I always enjoy those.
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know how, I'm not smart enough.
Speaker 2: I'm not the expert, but I know that, Like, here's
Speaker 2: a great answance is Nick Taylor won the Pebble Beach
Speaker 2: Invite that's whatever.
Speaker 3: A couple months ago. It was ranked like two hundred
Speaker 3: and fiftieth in the world, and it kept his card
Speaker 3: for five previous seasons. On two or the one win. Like, man,
Speaker 3: that's pretty hard to do.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like lighting it up every week, you know,
Speaker 2: and he would maybe finished one, you know, around one
Speaker 2: hundred and one twenty.
Speaker 3: Five for a couple of those years.
Speaker 2: But man, I'd be hard pressed if some guys more
Speaker 2: consistent for that over five years. It was all the
Speaker 2: way down to two fifty in a world, so little
Speaker 2: things like that where I think that hopefully they fix
Speaker 2: it and maybe make it more player's.
Speaker 3: Not the right word, but maybe better for a guy
Speaker 3: like me.
Speaker 1: This is a question I always think about this a
Speaker 1: ton is as a player, do you admire your peers
Speaker 1: that are seemingly always in the mix but win very
Speaker 1: little or the guys that you know win a lot
Speaker 1: when they but they aren't necessarily they're guys that kind
Speaker 1: of pop up and win, but then they're you know,
Speaker 1: they might miss some cuts.
Speaker 2: And so it's weird how the PG tour works out,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't actually give you bonuses for being consistent,
Speaker 2: Like if you just finished consistent fifty to twentieth, it
Speaker 2: really doesn't get you that far on tour. You need
Speaker 2: like top five, top tens are good, but you'd really
Speaker 2: need like top fives and wins are.
Speaker 3: Obviously through the roof or even that top two or three.
Speaker 2: So I think it's really impressive to have like ten
Speaker 2: top twenty fives in a year, or if you have
Speaker 2: like seven or eight top tens in a year is awesome.
Speaker 3: But maybe you don't crack it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's it's really hard to win. It takes some luck,
Speaker 2: you know, it takes a bounce here there, You got
Speaker 2: to make a pun at the right time, and sometimes
Speaker 2: it just doesn't happen, and you can't. The harder you
Speaker 2: push for that, you know, or you can't naturally try
Speaker 2: and win a golf for I guess, so I'm impressive
Speaker 2: the guys who are consistent, who really weak in and
Speaker 2: week out or around they play tough courses. Well, those
Speaker 2: guys who can kind of play any golf course in
Speaker 2: any condition or are more impressive than me than maybe
Speaker 2: a guy who wins like two twice a year, wins
Speaker 2: like once a year all the time, but just kind
Speaker 2: of never it's like either he's hotter, he's cold. I
Speaker 2: think it's more impressive to play a good golf week
Speaker 2: in and week out, but the tour doesn't really reward
Speaker 2: that yeah.
Speaker 1: I I always think about like Louis U Sason with
Speaker 1: him and majors, he's he's people are always going to
Speaker 1: look he's gonna be like, oh no, PGA Tour wins,
Speaker 1: only one major win, you know, ten wins around the world.
Speaker 1: But you think about like the last twelve years of majors,
Speaker 1: he's been a factor in probably twelve to fifteen major
Speaker 1: championships where.
Speaker 2: He's finished second, and every one has any second players
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: It's like if a bounce goes one way or another way,
Speaker 1: or putt falls, he's gonna he might have three majors.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just a crazy thing about golf is especially now
Speaker 1: we have this break, Like you know, you I feel
Speaker 1: like everybody in golf media, including myself, has been looking
Speaker 1: back at like historic tournaments and you just start to
Speaker 1: see these guys that pop up all the time, and
Speaker 1: you're like, you know, this guy's got this many wins,
Speaker 1: but this guy was way more present and more big
Speaker 1: events and more big moments at times. You played your
Speaker 1: first majors or your career last year, what was that
Speaker 1: like compared to your regular tour event.
Speaker 2: I'll say the Open Championship was the coolest event I've
Speaker 2: ever played in.
Speaker 3: By Miles, the vibe over there, I shouldn't say the vibe, the.
Speaker 2: Feelings over there, the crowds we had on Tuesday Wednesday,
Speaker 2: we flew in, got their Monday afternoon, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of unpacked and went out for like a late ninth
Speaker 2: hole and the sun was up at like ten thirty.
Speaker 3: We're playing in eighteenth Pole.
Speaker 2: It was back at Northern Ireland for the first time
Speaker 2: in fifty or sixty years, an incredible golf course. Like
Speaker 2: for me, that was my first time ever crossing in
Speaker 2: the Atlantic. I had never been over there before, so
Speaker 2: like it was just like mystical, magical, amazing experience. I
Speaker 2: didn't play very well, but I think it was just
Speaker 2: too caught up and having fun. Like I had a
Speaker 2: four iron to like forty feet on a tough hole
Speaker 2: and they all clapped like it was awesome.
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, yeah, you guys appreciate this. Where you
Speaker 3: like stuff three When I'm a part five on tour
Speaker 3: and no one cares, it's like sweet.
Speaker 2: So like that experience for me was incredible. There's more
Speaker 2: people like Beth Page was fine. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: people out there and it's a big tournament, but like
Speaker 2: when you're cruising around in thirtieth and I think I
Speaker 2: eventually finished. I shot a million on Sunday, but it's
Speaker 2: just more people around.
Speaker 3: I didn't feel like the PJA was all.
Speaker 2: That special, which it's probably terrible of me to say,
Speaker 2: but like the players of me and figure in the PGA.
Speaker 2: But the US Open at Pebble was awesome, but I
Speaker 2: feel like they didn't let them any fans in compared
Speaker 2: to what they could have. Maybe logistics was kind of
Speaker 2: a pain in the ass around Pebble because it's just
Speaker 2: such a tight area.
Speaker 3: Like I rented a house.
Speaker 2: Not far from the I mean, like I do every
Speaker 2: year for at and T and it took me an
Speaker 2: hour to get to the golf course.
Speaker 3: Like speed forw Seneticker all had to hop out of
Speaker 3: their cars.
Speaker 2: Jump a fence into the property of the golf course,
Speaker 2: catch a shuttle to get to where it's going. Only
Speaker 2: when when I got to the golf course only in
Speaker 2: thirty minutes to warm up on my first round because
Speaker 2: it was so like a bust had like route like
Speaker 2: crashed or something like on the only route end of
Speaker 2: the golf course and it was a mess.
Speaker 3: So that.
Speaker 2: But Pebble Beach is my favorite place on Earth for golf,
Speaker 2: and I think it's just me. And we had perfect
Speaker 2: weather that week for most.
Speaker 3: Of the week.
Speaker 2: But I just felt like the US Open was my
Speaker 2: first one. I was so happy to do, but I
Speaker 2: just felt like it'd be bigger and it's like better,
Speaker 2: Like everything's good about it, but I just felt like
Speaker 2: it'd be more. I would have more feelings all the
Speaker 2: way around the golf course the way I had feelings
Speaker 2: at the Open Championship all the way around the golf course.
Speaker 1: Did was that it sounds like so like the Open.
Speaker 1: Was that you played in one US Am? Was that
Speaker 1: like when you played in the US Am when you're
Speaker 1: a kid, like I feel like that would that would
Speaker 1: be like an elevated experience almost absolutely?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, by far, I mean for a kid
Speaker 2: who only really played on the West Coast, Yeah, to
Speaker 2: play at Pinehurst and lay in US M, it was
Speaker 2: you felt like, you know, was hitting pro v's in
Speaker 2: the way Tree felt like a you know, a very
Speaker 2: big time event, which it is. You know, I think
Speaker 2: it's still super prestigious. I think it's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite events, especially to watch now, but they do an
Speaker 2: unbelievable job without the history of it too is great
Speaker 2: and I feel like the Open Championship has more of
Speaker 2: that feeling than certainly some of the majors over here.
Speaker 1: Uh with the with the links goff and playing the Open.
Speaker 1: Did you did you like the style of golf was?
Speaker 1: Did it was it? Did it feel different and you
Speaker 1: know than your regular tour tour golf?
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course.
Speaker 2: I mean most of the time here in the States,
Speaker 2: we're just flying it to a number and it kind
Speaker 2: of stays around that number. I love when the ball bounces,
Speaker 2: the runoffs around the green. You hit so many different
Speaker 2: shots around the greens. You can putt it or hybrid
Speaker 2: it or you know. Sometimes over there there was enough
Speaker 2: room and the greens were soft up where you could
Speaker 2: lie it around the greens and spin it a little bit.
Speaker 2: But the winds blow in different angles all the time.
Speaker 2: There's just so many different options over there, which is
Speaker 2: is awesome. I think it's I don't know if it
Speaker 2: necessarily fits my golf the best, but I have a blast.
Speaker 3: I have a blast. Thing you have to think around,
Speaker 3: You have to think on every shot of there, where's
Speaker 3: this all gon.
Speaker 2: To run can it run into the bunker, because if
Speaker 2: you hitting a bunker up there, you just have to
Speaker 2: wedge it out. So I had a blast with it,
Speaker 2: I hope. Unfortunately, I think it just got canceled, That's
Speaker 2: what it sounds like. And I just qualified for it
Speaker 2: again this year, which I was super excited for.
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping I can.
Speaker 2: Get over there and play play some more golf if
Speaker 2: I continue to play well here in the States and
Speaker 2: maybe get over there for two or three more events
Speaker 2: a year, and I would really enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, doing like that the Scottish Open before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: You could do like this the Scottish and the Irish
Speaker 2: or something like that, and play the Bridge as well.
Speaker 3: It would be a really fun couple of weeks over
Speaker 3: there for sure.
Speaker 1: Talk about, you know, the difference when you're you talked
Speaker 1: about how you're like at the PGA you're just plotting along,
Speaker 1: uh in you know, in thirtieth and the difference inside
Speaker 1: the rope feel at when you're when that's going on
Speaker 1: versus when you're you know, contending, Like you had a
Speaker 1: really good week at at the Players last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, no one's really at bath Page last year.
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, it was probably like if I had
Speaker 3: a good round on Sunday, I think, you know, maybe I.
Speaker 2: Shoot even I could have moved up to like a
Speaker 2: top toolt or something like that, so it would have been nice.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's just I don't know, you feel like
Speaker 3: you have to play perfect golf in that situation.
Speaker 2: For me at bath Page last year, I could miss
Speaker 2: a fair way because then I'd have to chip it out.
Speaker 3: There's no way I could advance towards the green.
Speaker 2: It was just like continue to just beat the crap
Speaker 2: out of you for four days. And it was certainly
Speaker 2: favored towards bombers that week, and I'm definitely not a bomber,
Speaker 2: and there was just no.
Speaker 3: Way around it the way you know, the rains came in.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, it was wet, it was cold. It was just
Speaker 2: a kind of a bad combo for my golf game
Speaker 2: that week, where and you're plotting along out there and you're.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, there's no you don't have the
Speaker 3: juices going.
Speaker 2: Where at Sagrass you always feel like you can make
Speaker 2: a birdie or you can get it going, you know,
Speaker 2: and there's there's fans out there watching. I played with
Speaker 2: Jim Ferick on Sunday at the Players we shot sixty
Speaker 2: to four or five, I don't know which, maybe even
Speaker 2: sixty three, you know, to only lose by one, and
Speaker 2: it was incredible. You know, it's kind of his home
Speaker 2: e vent He's been a h resident in that area
Speaker 2: for a long time, so that was incredible to watch
Speaker 2: him and be a part of that.
Speaker 1: It's neat too because Rory wins that and Furic, who's
Speaker 1: probably one of the shortest h on tour, finishes second.
Speaker 1: And at beth Page I did a podcast with Jeff
Speaker 1: Ogilvie before and he was like, listen, somebody whoever's going
Speaker 1: to win here is going to be one of the
Speaker 1: guys that flies at three hundred, because if you don't
Speaker 1: fly at three hundred at beth Page, you don't have
Speaker 1: a chance. And I think that's one of the you
Speaker 1: hit on it a little bit with linkskoff Is. On
Speaker 1: those types of courses, anybody, any type of player can
Speaker 1: excel because you can use your advantages, and the same
Speaker 1: thing for sawgrass, where you can win. Your power is
Speaker 1: still obviously a huge advantage. Being able to hit it
Speaker 1: three ten is always an advantage wherever you play. But
Speaker 1: it also allows people that don't carry it three hundred
Speaker 1: yards to have a chance.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I love that where I gain.
Speaker 2: I think I'm like top twenty five right now and
Speaker 2: driving strokesy and driving, and I very average in link
Speaker 2: because courses like that where a lot of guys have
Speaker 2: to hit a two iron off of tee or lay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to hit my driver down there because they
Speaker 2: hit it straighter and I can get it down there
Speaker 2: further than a lot of guys where you know it
Speaker 2: pinches in for them.
Speaker 3: But I'm still gonna run it down.
Speaker 2: There past them where they have to hit hybrid off
Speaker 2: the t or something like that. But sawgrass makes you
Speaker 2: think all the time, especially into the green. You have
Speaker 2: to hit it in the right spots and all the
Speaker 2: part fives are reachable, but there's trouble around them, which
Speaker 2: I think is awesome instead of just you know, they're
Speaker 2: pretty generous off to tea for the most part. And
Speaker 2: then you have to make sure you position it properly
Speaker 2: in the second shot. You have to miss on the
Speaker 2: correct side to have a chance getting up and down,
Speaker 2: because if you don't, you're not getting up and down
Speaker 2: with sawgrass, which I think is great and that's why
Speaker 2: anybody can win there. I mean, look through the years
Speaker 2: of who's won, it's been you know Fred funk one
Speaker 2: at what forty nine or something like that, Like that's
Speaker 2: just incredible. Yeah, it's a perfect I think Sarga is
Speaker 2: one of the best golf coart to play because anybody
Speaker 2: can win. You know, you've seen Craig Perks is one
Speaker 2: there and you know on tiger Woods and the best
Speaker 2: of all time I've always had won there. So I
Speaker 2: think it's especially when it plays against a little firm
Speaker 2: that would be perfect.
Speaker 3: If you have good weather that.
Speaker 2: Week and a little bit of wind, it would just
Speaker 2: play unbelievable that week. And I think that's why Fritish Open.
Speaker 2: I won't say sometimes you get a fluke winner, but
Speaker 2: you know you get guys who can hang around leaderboard
Speaker 2: for a long time and plot their.
Speaker 3: Way around if they're playing the correct type of goal.
Speaker 1: What What are some of your other favorite courses that
Speaker 1: you guys play.
Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of Colonial.
Speaker 2: It's fun, it's tree lined, greens are tiny, so you
Speaker 2: have to you have to be pretty precise in the
Speaker 2: greens there as well. You can't really overpower, so The
Speaker 2: part with that is everyone hits it kind of the
Speaker 2: same spots in the fairways, no matter what clip you're
Speaker 2: hitting off the tea. But hilton Head's always fun. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think DJ is leading through fifty four holes there
Speaker 2: last year. So like a you know, a bomber can
Speaker 2: play there versus ct Pan, who's you know, kind of
Speaker 2: a short guy, you end up winning.
Speaker 3: Anybody can compete. I like the Travelers is a great
Speaker 3: golf course. I think you can get you know, everybody
Speaker 3: can kind of compete.
Speaker 2: Valast Bars one of my favorites in Tampa, especially when
Speaker 2: it gets firm and fast.
Speaker 3: I think eight under seven hundred one last year. I
Speaker 3: think those are.
Speaker 2: A ton of riv is. I didn't think I could
Speaker 2: compete at riv but it got firm and the sun
Speaker 2: came out and the wind blew, and that made it
Speaker 2: awesome because you had to play the bounce a little bit.
Speaker 2: You had to control your golf ball and the green.
Speaker 2: You couldn't just fly it to wherever. So it's a
Speaker 2: long golf course for me. But when the ball starts
Speaker 2: running out, then you can play the bounce and you
Speaker 2: have to control your trajectory a little bit better, and
Speaker 2: and and really fitted around the golf course, which makes
Speaker 2: it a lot more fun versus just bombing it and
Speaker 2: you know, hopefully you bomb it again. So some of
Speaker 2: those are really fun. I like anything that bounces a
Speaker 2: little bit. Volerio is actually not a bad golf course here.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a bad rap. But if it
Speaker 2: bounces a little bit, if the wind blows of Volo,
Speaker 2: it's good of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah. That I feel like you get some of the
Speaker 1: craziest weather of Vallero, Like, oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll get it all absolutely for sure.
Speaker 2: Some I mean you'll get some massive hailstorms and you
Speaker 2: feel like tornado's coming, and then you know, I think
Speaker 2: last year was beautiful in like eighty five all weeks.
Speaker 3: So it's a little bit of mix everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The uh that course you can make big numbers too,
Speaker 1: with that ship all around it all over the place.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're doing a better job of clearing that out too,
Speaker 2: So it's a little more playable than it has been
Speaker 2: in the past.
Speaker 3: But yeah, if you're not driving it well or you're
Speaker 3: gonna shoot a million.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So what are your your best friends growing up?
Speaker 1: Is your caddye Gino, Yeah, getting he's gotta do the
Speaker 1: wrap on on social media.
Speaker 2: So icon, Yeah, it's pretty funny. I mean it's it's
Speaker 2: an outlet for him just to kind of be himself.
Speaker 3: And he's he's a goofball. He has a ton of fun.
Speaker 2: He comes up with crazy ideas all the time and
Speaker 2: most time he just throws them out there for the
Speaker 2: world and they think it's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: So we were like, he grew up.
Speaker 2: He's four years older than me, but he grew up
Speaker 2: on the loose in side of the river outside of
Speaker 2: where I should say in Lewiston. And he was a
Speaker 2: good player, as they say TV. He was a good
Speaker 2: player in his own right.
Speaker 3: He went he got his PGM degree. Uh yeah, that's right,
Speaker 3: you have professional golf management.
Speaker 2: And he went to worked in Saholly for a bit
Speaker 2: Seattle and realized he didn't like golden shirts and didn't
Speaker 2: get to play as much as he flagged.
Speaker 3: And so he went and got a desk job back
Speaker 3: home and his wife ended up getting a pretty good job.
Speaker 2: And when I got out on the web tour, he's like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come caddy for you. And I'm like, you
Speaker 2: are crazy because he don't make any money. Uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I have no idea how good I am out here.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to go on, and so.
Speaker 3: He stuck by you by my side.
Speaker 2: We're on our year six and it's been really fun
Speaker 2: to have him out there. It's nice to have a
Speaker 2: guy who cares about me more than just you know,
Speaker 2: the golf shots I hit.
Speaker 3: Actually married my wife and I last December.
Speaker 2: So that was a lot of fun to have him, uh,
Speaker 2: to be a part of that and just been a
Speaker 2: super great guy who's who cares about me a lot.
Speaker 2: And I'm lucky to have him. And he does a
Speaker 2: great job on the bag as well. I mean he's
Speaker 2: not just he's not just a funny guy. Actually can
Speaker 2: add them subtracks and numbers for me too.
Speaker 1: I I mean, being a good player probably helps too,
Speaker 1: and having known you for a long time helps because
Speaker 1: he knows your game. And obviously any keddy when you
Speaker 1: carry for somebody for a long time, you're going to
Speaker 1: know their game. But I imagine that it's really nice having
Speaker 1: somebody that you can talk to about anything you know
Speaker 1: from like pert because it's like you know, if you
Speaker 1: if it's just as strictly a work relationship, then it's
Speaker 1: hard to get your mind off things when a rounds
Speaker 1: going one way.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and he's I mean we come up with everything
Speaker 2: to talk about. I mean very not often when we
Speaker 2: talk about golf out there unless we have to be
Speaker 2: so just nice, you know, he's.
Speaker 3: He's super close.
Speaker 2: To my wife. We have a lot, you know, all
Speaker 2: of our friends are kind of the same, so we
Speaker 2: we really enjoy chit chatting about that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's it's nice because.
Speaker 2: He he knows how I'm feeling, like I don't have
Speaker 2: We don't have to talk about it. He can kind
Speaker 2: of tell about how I'm feeling and which way we're
Speaker 2: going to go and.
Speaker 3: Under the gun like he can.
Speaker 2: It kind of lets me go a little bit more
Speaker 2: and doesn't hold the reins as much, which is always
Speaker 2: nice and just a nice It's great to have your
Speaker 2: friend on the bag when you know, sometimes you shoot
Speaker 2: eighty and you can laugh about it.
Speaker 3: And other times when you're trying to win the golf tournament, is.
Speaker 2: Really nice to look next to you and know the
Speaker 2: guys have as much fun as you are, and you
Speaker 2: know you kind of in this together and just yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't think I could do it with a business relationship.
Speaker 2: I would always need a friend out here because you
Speaker 2: spend so much time with him.
Speaker 3: You spend you know.
Speaker 2: Six eight hours a day, four or five days a week,
Speaker 2: and that's more than I spend with my wife when
Speaker 2: I'm on the road.
Speaker 3: So you need a guy. You get along with the guy.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have fun with the guy. You can keep
Speaker 3: it light and fresh.
Speaker 2: I know a lot of time, it's easy for it
Speaker 2: to get stale, and that's why you see a lot
Speaker 2: of guys break up.
Speaker 3: After a year or two or three years. It's just like, man,
Speaker 3: I just need something new.
Speaker 2: Because we've talked about everything we could, and we FaceTime
Speaker 2: each other almost every day during this quarantine of what
Speaker 2: he's doing, what how his family's doing, with this kid's doing.
Speaker 3: So like yesterday he played left handed.
Speaker 2: H tried to I set a line at one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten and he played left handed shot one o six.
Speaker 3: So he snipped me there.
Speaker 2: And we always make little bets back and forth on
Speaker 2: everything we do, so it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Do you as a player, I always wonder do you
Speaker 1: ever like when you're standing over a pot or a shot,
Speaker 1: do you ever think like, uh, if I do this
Speaker 1: he's gonna make a lot more money than if I
Speaker 1: do this has that like I always.
Speaker 2: Well, we talk about it because yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if your business mode've probably been talking about it, but
Speaker 2: we talked about all the time I give him. I
Speaker 2: tell him he gets paid way too much. I go, dude,
Speaker 2: you have the easiest job in the world. Do you
Speaker 2: get to hang out with your best friend and I'm
Speaker 2: a cool guy. You get paid a ton of money
Speaker 2: because we're playing well. And I go and I hardly
Speaker 2: ever practice, like I don't not going to the range
Speaker 2: after the round, but you know, keep him away. He
Speaker 2: gets to play golf three or three times a week
Speaker 2: because I don't make him do anything else. So he's
Speaker 2: got to put up with I don't know if my smart,
Speaker 2: but he's got to put up.
Speaker 3: With me on the golf course. And yeah, we talked
Speaker 3: all the time, like, hey, what's this pow work. He's like,
Speaker 3: it's probably worth like fifty grand. I'm like, I mean
Speaker 3: you get like or of it like this this is disgusting.
Speaker 3: This is like this is paying for your house for
Speaker 3: like five months. And this goes in and he laughs
Speaker 3: and we have.
Speaker 2: A good time about it, and like you know, it's
Speaker 2: easier when things are going well.
Speaker 3: But uh, the first year's on the web, the first
Speaker 3: year on the webb, he lost.
Speaker 1: Money there, Like I just couldn't even imagine.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, So, I mean that was weird. We were
Speaker 3: splitting room.
Speaker 2: We just we split everything that year did as cheap
Speaker 2: as possible. I think I barely broke even on the web,
Speaker 2: so we definitely lost some money. And then the second
Speaker 2: year when he got my card, I think he only
Speaker 2: made like twenty gre so like that's not going to
Speaker 2: pay the bills.
Speaker 3: And then you know, even rookie year on tour was
Speaker 3: pretty slim. Uh. And since at that point we've we've
Speaker 3: done pretty well.
Speaker 2: But he put in some real lean years, uh for
Speaker 2: you know, for it to be good times now.
Speaker 3: But he was willing to stick it out.
Speaker 2: I think he always believed in me more than I
Speaker 2: probably believed myself.
Speaker 3: When I was younger.
Speaker 2: And now that we're kind of, you know, on the
Speaker 2: same page. But he put in his time, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: He didn't just.
Speaker 2: Pop up when when things are going well, which is
Speaker 2: exactly what he told to me, you know, six years ago.
Speaker 1: Is it Are there any terms that you like are
Speaker 1: rounds that shots that you always look back and think about.
Speaker 3: Gino does it all the time. I So the more
Speaker 3: I've played, the better I've got in.
Speaker 2: My career, the less I've done that. I mean, I
Speaker 2: remember shots like in high school and junior.
Speaker 3: Golf I hit way more than I do, Like, oh man,
Speaker 3: that was.
Speaker 2: A sweet golf shot. I hit under the pressure out here,
Speaker 2: like that's saying it my first time. Really, I wasn't
Speaker 2: incantation of John Deere. But it was my second year.
Speaker 2: Michael Kim was winning by seven or eight or something,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't even in the golf tournament, but it was,
Speaker 2: you know, second place was a huge deal. And hitting
Speaker 2: a left bunk on eighteen on the at John Deere
Speaker 2: and I'm not.
Speaker 3: A great family bunker player, and I had the worst lie.
Speaker 2: It was blowing my feet and I had to hit
Speaker 2: a big hook and I was like, you know, we
Speaker 2: just laid up and make five, you know, like just
Speaker 2: trying to protect like a fifth or sixth or something.
Speaker 2: And he's like, man, I'm like.
Speaker 3: Let's let's go for like, let's let's pull this thing off.
Speaker 2: I hit probably the best shot, I mean, probably the
Speaker 2: best shot I've ever hit.
Speaker 3: Hit this big sweeping hook that went you know, I
Speaker 3: thought I actually was flying.
Speaker 2: It came up like forty feet short, but under the
Speaker 2: gun it was unbelievable golf shot, and it was one
Speaker 2: of those we kind of high fived each others, like
Speaker 2: did that just actually happen? And then you know, he
Speaker 2: had the two puttets still, which fairly snuck that one in.
Speaker 2: But I remember some stuff from high school that was like, man,
Speaker 2: I can't believe I've never hit.
Speaker 3: That shot now that I like pulled off through the trees.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's kind of fun stuff like that
Speaker 2: when it obviously didn't nearly.
Speaker 3: Matter as much.
Speaker 2: But Gino's really good at recalling every shots if it
Speaker 2: scared him to death, or if he thought I was
Speaker 2: being an idiot and still let me do it, or
Speaker 2: or times that you.
Speaker 3: Know, you'd get me some bad numbers as well, which
Speaker 3: I remember those. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, as as a caddy, probably, I mean it's harder,
Speaker 1: I think, watching golf than playing golf, Like if you're
Speaker 1: if you're caddying for somebody or you're watching a friend,
Speaker 1: it's just it's like nerve wracking to watch.
Speaker 2: I caddied for Gino two three years ago now in
Speaker 2: the US mid Am qualifire. I knew he was like
Speaker 2: a toos for sure. If he played well, he would
Speaker 2: be right there. You know, it's a small section, Idaho.
Speaker 2: There's how many guys there, and he's one of the
Speaker 2: better players and I was.
Speaker 3: Not. But that was a first time I've caddied.
Speaker 2: For you know, buddies in the past and kind of
Speaker 2: goofed off and stuff, and that was like, man, I
Speaker 2: really wanted qualify for this, and he.
Speaker 3: Buried his first three holes and.
Speaker 2: I was just out like having a grand old time,
Speaker 2: Like like I wasn't even cadding. I was just carrying
Speaker 2: the club, setting him down and letting him do whatever.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, like.
Speaker 2: Like I could tell like he got nervous, and then
Speaker 2: I got nervous, and then he like made a terrible
Speaker 2: three point bogume Like what are you doing? Like this
Speaker 2: is like you could just see I couldn't handle it,
Speaker 2: and he he was choking hard down the scratch and
Speaker 2: there's nothing you can do to stop it. Like you
Speaker 2: try to give him the proper club, the proper line,
Speaker 2: You try to talk him through it, and then you
Speaker 2: can just see him like scared hit the ball and
Speaker 2: I'm like, is this what I look like?
Speaker 3: He's like yeah, and I'm like, oh crap.
Speaker 2: So being on that side of it is good at
Speaker 2: times as well.
Speaker 3: But thankfully he got it out a tough par in
Speaker 3: the last and qualified by one for that.
Speaker 2: But I kind of what my wife goes through, especially
Speaker 2: when we were struggling a little bit and actually needed
Speaker 2: the money, and like.
Speaker 3: She quit her job to travel with me.
Speaker 2: On tour, and like the pressure she's feeling us prayer,
Speaker 2: but the nerves, Like she all she does is love
Speaker 2: me and support me, and she has to watch this
Speaker 2: like go down. So that's gotta be super hard. And
Speaker 2: I'm glad that I'm playing and not watching, because that'd
Speaker 2: be like I can't imagine if my son or you know,
Speaker 2: I don't have kids yet, but if my kids grow
Speaker 2: up to be like a great athlete or something like,
Speaker 2: watching them has gotta be the worst thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I always say so. I I used to play
Speaker 1: a lot of midamn stuff, and I'm like, I'm a
Speaker 1: snorkeler and you guys are nuclear subs. So like if
Speaker 1: I get off, if I get off to a hot start,
Speaker 1: my my my snorkel tubees going under the water and
Speaker 1: water is just gonna rush in eventually, and I'm coming
Speaker 1: up prayer and it's like you guys just go and
Speaker 1: then you just keep going down further and further. It's
Speaker 1: like you're you guys get uncomfortable when you're around par
Speaker 1: and it's like the ninth.
Speaker 3: Hole, right, because we gotta make berries. We gotta go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and if we if we're like two under, we're like, uh,
Speaker 1: I other protect this two.
Speaker 3: Under three right exactly.
Speaker 2: That's there is a there's a line for everybody, whatever
Speaker 2: it is. I mean, like you feel you feel un
Speaker 2: comfortable at some point, and uh, it's not like you
Speaker 2: automatically like Tiger's the only one. He's like, guess broke
Speaker 2: through it. But I guarantee you he's still nervous and
Speaker 2: fell uncomfortable at times, but you know he's he's.
Speaker 3: Battled through it.
Speaker 2: Where that was a thing for me is like once
Speaker 2: I realized that the guy's around me in contention, I
Speaker 2: don't know if it's Rory or rom or whoever. Dude,
Speaker 2: they're nervous too, and they're like they're playing for I'm
Speaker 2: playing for money, and you're going to be great to
Speaker 2: win a couple of times and playing for kind of
Speaker 2: career they're playing for like a legacy type thing of
Speaker 2: winning all these tournaments and winning majors and building that
Speaker 2: like Hall of Fame career type thing.
Speaker 3: They're just as nervous as.
Speaker 2: As I am, and they care about it just as much,
Speaker 2: and they're I wouldn't say worried about it, but they're
Speaker 2: you know, they get nervous over the same gulf outside,
Speaker 2: so you know, kind of they put on their pants
Speaker 2: the same way we do type of thing. But that
Speaker 2: was a good lesson for me as well. It's like, damn,
Speaker 2: like they're worried about the t shirts same as everybody
Speaker 2: else is. So yeah, it should help the lesser players
Speaker 2: or the guys not as well known, like suck it
Speaker 2: up and get it done.
Speaker 1: How much did that you talked about that deer finish
Speaker 1: where you you it was like one of your first
Speaker 1: top ten, top five finishes. How much did that help
Speaker 1: you the next time you were in that area, like,
Speaker 1: because then you went like last timmer you went on,
Speaker 1: you had just kind of a string of them where
Speaker 1: you you know, for five weeks you were six weeks
Speaker 1: you were just in contention every single week.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly helps.
Speaker 2: You started, you start expecting to see your name around there,
Speaker 2: and you want to see your name there.
Speaker 1: So you.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a big believer that you kind of
Speaker 2: play to whatever you think you're going to play too.
Speaker 2: If you're trying to make cuts, you're gonna be around
Speaker 2: the cut line if you're you know, the best players
Speaker 2: always think they should be in the top ten, so
Speaker 2: that's what they do. Like if you I thoroughly believe
Speaker 2: that I, if I play solid, there's no reason I
Speaker 2: should be, you know, consistently around that top ten point.
Speaker 2: If I played hout well, then I'm gonna be around
Speaker 2: the lead. So when you start believing those things and
Speaker 2: you actually believe them and you're you know, every all
Speaker 2: the metrics say that you should be doing that, then
Speaker 2: there's no reason not to.
Speaker 3: So once you.
Speaker 2: Instead of everybody has goals to go to their ceiling everybody,
Speaker 2: but there's a floor that everybody has as well, and
Speaker 2: most people are gonna end up at the floor.
Speaker 3: Not many.
Speaker 2: Oh everybody wants to win this and do that or
Speaker 2: get the tour championship. But if you get if you're
Speaker 2: like man, I would be really bummed. If I didn't
Speaker 2: finish top fifty on this year's Best.
Speaker 3: Cup, that's probably where you're gonna end up closer to
Speaker 3: that number. So I think that wherever your floor is,
Speaker 3: if you're okay with.
Speaker 2: Top twenty five, you're probably gonna finish top twenty five
Speaker 2: if your floor is top ten, so you're probably going
Speaker 2: to find a way to do that as well.
Speaker 3: So it start of, you know, when seeing your name
Speaker 3: up there, you start.
Speaker 2: Feel more comforble, get more comfableround like cameras.
Speaker 3: Honestly as well, when you start making more money, like
Speaker 3: you don't worried about making money as much. It's a
Speaker 3: huge deal when you're like, all of a sudden, maybe
Speaker 3: like get rive this year. For me, I was in
Speaker 3: the fairway on eighteen.
Speaker 2: I thought I was one back at the time I
Speaker 2: need to make Bertie had a great drive and I
Speaker 2: went after the back left pan at riv because I
Speaker 2: thought I needed to make a three. I didn't realize
Speaker 2: Scott had thirty seventeen. I don't think he had yet actually,
Speaker 2: and I was like, man like, this is my chance,
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, like I lived out like
Speaker 2: a five footer for par which would have kept.
Speaker 3: Me T two, but I missed it. I dropped down
Speaker 3: in T.
Speaker 1: Five.
Speaker 2: And in the past I've been like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: like I maybe would have hit a nine rod and
Speaker 2: thirty feet out to the right and two putted to
Speaker 2: save you know whatever it was two or three hundred
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. But for me, it was more important to
Speaker 2: go after the w and you know, stand up to
Speaker 2: it and hit the golf shot that was required at
Speaker 2: the time. So I felt better about it than I
Speaker 2: ever have at that point. And you know, those guys
Speaker 2: who have all.
Speaker 3: The money in the world will never have a money problem.
Speaker 2: Like they're so easy to free wheel it and go
Speaker 2: after some golf shots down the stretch that a lot
Speaker 2: of guys are maybe just protecting from par and just
Speaker 2: kind of hanging onto that two five thing.
Speaker 3: So that matters a lot as well.
Speaker 1: It's interesting to think about from like the mentality standpoint,
Speaker 1: because once once you play on tour long enough and
Speaker 1: have enough success, the money aspect becomes not there's not
Speaker 1: as much pressure associated to the money as there is
Speaker 1: to the finish right, to the just the.
Speaker 2: Exactly right exactly that no, you're totally right. It's and
Speaker 2: for me the first time in my career where I
Speaker 2: mean I finished second a couple of times, but I
Speaker 2: really had a chance to win. Like I had a
Speaker 2: putch tight lead on seventeen. I hit a good you know,
Speaker 2: the part five whatever, so I had a chance to
Speaker 2: tie lead on seventeen.
Speaker 3: I'd never felt that before and that was a big moment.
Speaker 2: But I felt okay there, like I felt like, oh
Speaker 2: this is you know, I can do this eighteen stripe
Speaker 2: to drive and was willing to go after it. And
Speaker 2: because I was okay if I screwed up and made
Speaker 2: like I was okay with it. And that's a hard
Speaker 2: place to get. You know, I don't have massive endorsements
Speaker 2: off off off the course, I.
Speaker 3: Don't have.
Speaker 2: I'm not pulling in those type of figures. And you know,
Speaker 2: I've been a journeyman forever.
Speaker 1: You're thirty two, that's not a journeyman.
Speaker 2: Well compared to what you see now, you have like
Speaker 2: more Kawa, and you have Wolf and you have even
Speaker 2: like Ricky and JT and these like it's weird. I
Speaker 2: don't know, like it's mind bolving to me. You know,
Speaker 2: they just come out at twenty two, twenty three, twenty four.
Speaker 2: They're signing million dollar deals in they're winning majors in there,
Speaker 2: cruising it and like that's great.
Speaker 3: You know, they are the top ten in the world.
Speaker 1: But I think I feel like it's it's there's been
Speaker 1: like this recent phenomenon that's like shifted the like you
Speaker 1: think about like Kevin Kissner. Kevin Kisser didn't get on
Speaker 1: tour until he was like twenty seven twenty eight, and
Speaker 1: he was like a great player in college. But I
Speaker 1: think there's also something about if you're one of the
Speaker 1: guys that does everything pretty well, but you're not like
Speaker 1: just like really long or have a really dominant skill,
Speaker 1: that it's going to take longer to get there because absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, every skill's got to get a little bit better, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you're you're totally right, like unless you're
Speaker 2: you know, Mark how is like probably the best ball
Speaker 2: striker on tour.
Speaker 3: If not, you know, he's for sure top five, and.
Speaker 2: The way he just appears all the time, so you
Speaker 2: don't have to putt great where Wolf is a bomber
Speaker 2: type of thing, or you have these other guys where
Speaker 2: they have these unbelievable skills or they hit it super
Speaker 2: far so they can make up for a lack of
Speaker 2: this somewhere along the way where I think kiss guy's
Speaker 2: pretty similar. He's a way better partter than I am.
Speaker 2: But he's pretty steady, not overly long, it's it pretty
Speaker 2: solid all the time. When he puts well, he's he's competing,
Speaker 2: and he can win those big events. You know, he
Speaker 2: can compete the players and and win WGCs and you'll
Speaker 2: see him you know, he's been around the majors as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's certainly like he's He's a guy that
Speaker 2: I think he's only maybe true, it's years older than me,
Speaker 2: so I can see a lot of myself and him,
Speaker 2: where if I shore up the putting and be a
Speaker 2: lot like him, like you said.
Speaker 3: So for I had to improve a little bit on everything.
Speaker 2: Over the course of five six years ago on tour,
Speaker 2: where a lot of these guys already have two or
Speaker 2: three skills that are good enough to get out there,
Speaker 2: and they can kind of mass their weaknesses a little
Speaker 2: bit because they're so dominant one area, which is driving
Speaker 2: the ball mostly now the way you can drive a
Speaker 2: golf ball.
Speaker 3: And overpowered golf course, if you hit it far and straight,
Speaker 3: you can get away with a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Champ is so long that he's just
Speaker 1: going to run into win every year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can't if he drives a ball consistently. He does,
Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden he pits a couple
Speaker 2: irons close and he huts it decent. He can't not
Speaker 2: win once.
Speaker 3: Through twice a year. Yeah, he just says, too big
Speaker 3: of an advantage, so.
Speaker 1: The only way to get through. It's crazy. I mean
Speaker 1: it is, so I'm really used to it. But sure,
Speaker 1: it's just like the fact that you can't touch anything.
Speaker 1: It's just crazy to me.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like for me, luckily, I can just.
Speaker 3: Sit at home and kind of do nothing. We have
Speaker 3: everything we need here.
Speaker 2: But my wife's going a little stirt crazy, so she's
Speaker 2: been having a couple extra SIPs of wine at night.
Speaker 2: That's for sure, to to get away.
Speaker 3: From it all. Sometimes we start a little early in
Speaker 3: the afternoon, but it's when it's eighty degrees outside you
Speaker 3: want to see on your patios. Not too bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's they I don't know. It's gonna be crazy
Speaker 1: to see when when you guys come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a while too.
Speaker 2: I think sounds like it anyways, so hopefully it's sooner
Speaker 2: rather than later.
Speaker 1: They should. Honestly, they should be sending like five camera
Speaker 1: men and you guys should be doing like matches in Scottsdale.
Speaker 2: And so we've talked about that and we almost had
Speaker 2: one kind of going. They put us in lockdown, but
Speaker 2: courses still open. We talked about doing a simulator match
Speaker 2: Scott Stowe guys, get five scotts Stoe guys against five
Speaker 2: guys in Jupiter and have Scott still against.
Speaker 3: Jupiter and then you can do maybe the winner of
Speaker 3: that would.
Speaker 2: Play like the Vegas team and then maybe a team
Speaker 2: in Dallas or something like that where you play indoors
Speaker 2: simulator but you just put a camera up and you
Speaker 2: just crap talk each other back and forth on a simulator.
Speaker 3: You could there's no reason you couldn't.
Speaker 2: Maxim Ike couldn't go and have a match right now
Speaker 2: at Mason Country Club or wherever with have a cameraman
Speaker 2: follows around and Mike us up and have a blast.
Speaker 1: I know, but it's I think the tour they could,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what they should be thinking about because
Speaker 1: like no other sport and it's like golf, like you
Speaker 1: could do all these cool little things that.
Speaker 2: Are totally especially if you walk, you just there's no
Speaker 2: the pins or whatever. You put a stiro froam thing
Speaker 2: in the cup so you don't have to touch the pins.
Speaker 2: You don't have to touch A break six feet apart
Speaker 2: is so easy on a golf course.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm surprised something hasn't come up.
Speaker 2: I know there's been a couple of years floaded, but
Speaker 2: nothing is definitely stuck, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I think like one of the things I think about
Speaker 1: is like, if it worked really well, people would want
Speaker 1: more of it, and it would take away from seventy
Speaker 1: two hole one hundred and forty four player stroke play,
Speaker 1: which is like the bread and butter, and they wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to show a format of the game that was
Speaker 1: was better when the main thing is maximize playing opportunities.
Speaker 3: Right, Sure, And I get that too.
Speaker 2: And I know Tiger and Field kind of tried the
Speaker 2: match thing and that was a big flop.
Speaker 3: They weren't as entertaining as it could be, the golf
Speaker 3: was crappy, The whole thing didn't work overy well.
Speaker 1: So I imagine that I don't know if that was
Speaker 1: a flop because I went to all my buddies are
Speaker 1: not golfers like that, are just like my college drinking buddies. Sure,
Speaker 1: they like I went out after that because I had
Speaker 1: to cover it, and I went out and met my
Speaker 1: buddies and all of them were like, what what happened
Speaker 1: to the match? Who won? You know? And they they
Speaker 1: could the only thing they care about is like the masters.
Speaker 3: Right, Sure, but they were asking about the match they.
Speaker 1: Were nuts about. They wanted to know so much about.
Speaker 1: They never ask about anything. They don't ask about the players,
Speaker 1: they don't ask about you know. They might ask about
Speaker 1: the US Open, but nothing but the match they asked about.
Speaker 1: I think it's because it's so easy to understand.
Speaker 2: Well, it is, certainly that I think. I guess we
Speaker 2: were expecting a lot more back and forth, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of shit talking, a little bit more side bets
Speaker 2: that were it just seemed a little forced. A Tiger's
Speaker 2: not the best in that environment either. Probably Phils can
Speaker 2: be very good at it, with the way that he
Speaker 2: can give the needle and the way that he can chat.
Speaker 3: But man, if you'd put.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you get some normal guys in there,
Speaker 2: I mean, you can, like I feel like Ricky and
Speaker 2: JT would be fun at it.
Speaker 3: Rory would be good at that type of thing.
Speaker 2: A little more personality to put some drinks in Stara
Speaker 2: from cup and you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna get a lot of fun out a lot of golfers.
Speaker 2: I mean you put kids and you know selfishly, you
Speaker 2: put me and kids against like Homa and you know
Speaker 2: maybe JT.
Speaker 3: Those kinds are buddies.
Speaker 2: Like then you go put us like in an alternate
Speaker 2: shot match, like it would be an absolute blast.
Speaker 1: Like you could be ahead too, and you guys start
Speaker 1: talking about like what the other person's doing. You wouldn't
Speaker 1: really need announcers as much if it was alternate shot totally.
Speaker 3: I be able, like because you can just skip ahead.
Speaker 3: You don't even really watch your partner, you just keep
Speaker 3: rotating ahead. You can play in like two hours. You
Speaker 3: would have an absolute blast. And uh, I mean we
Speaker 3: do that stuff here anyways with somebody. So we played
Speaker 3: a game called Auto two down Shotguns.
Speaker 2: So if you got two down, you had a shotgun
Speaker 2: a beer and that was That was a pretty fun game.
Speaker 2: So we're trying to set set another one of those
Speaker 2: matches up this weekend.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: That's one. You know, some people I used to carry
Speaker 1: for this guy. He would he was like he was
Speaker 1: just he was unbelievable because once you got like six
Speaker 1: beers in he was he went from like a six
Speaker 1: to like a plus two.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, you.
Speaker 1: Have two beers and then like the course would come
Speaker 1: around the fourth hole, would loop back around the men's
Speaker 1: locker room and grab two bar and then we get
Speaker 1: to the turn and then he was like a world
Speaker 1: beer you know, like he won the club championship as
Speaker 1: a six handicap and it's amazing.
Speaker 2: If you it's all about getting your levels right. Some
Speaker 2: people only need a couple. Some people need a lot,
Speaker 2: and they got a start earlier. But then if you
Speaker 2: cross over the line, then you're absolutely told. I think
Speaker 2: it's really ugly fast. So everybody has their level. Some
Speaker 2: people at zero, some people at six, some people it's ten.
Speaker 2: Some people it's only a couple. But everyone has their line.
Speaker 3: Where they play better golf from.
Speaker 1: And did you qualify for something after drinking at Sciota?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was.
Speaker 2: So it was this year's or last year for Pebble Beach.
Speaker 2: I was doing just fine. I bog you to my
Speaker 2: last like four it to get which I thought was
Speaker 2: gonna bump me out. I knew if I parted in
Speaker 2: like I was, I would have it.
Speaker 3: Looked at it.
Speaker 2: We're completely choked because I wanted to play in the
Speaker 2: US Open the Pebbles so bad, like that was a
Speaker 2: huge deal for me.
Speaker 3: And uh choked.
Speaker 2: So then we're at the we're at say I own
Speaker 2: the homest course of allence. We had to drive back
Speaker 2: and then I was one of the earlier tea times.
Speaker 2: We had like an hour to wait, and I was
Speaker 2: like positive.
Speaker 1: That we.
Speaker 2: I got bumped out already. But then they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: there's a playoff. Probably they'll be a massive playoff for
Speaker 2: like the last for an alternate spot. And I'm like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: Well I don't really care. And some guys like, no,
Speaker 2: you need like you should, you should play in it. Okay, Well,
Speaker 2: so Gina and I we have an hour away, so
Speaker 2: we go grab a couple of beers and then we
Speaker 2: drank them, and then we grabbed a couple more, and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, they all right, just let it
Speaker 2: me know. We have like a twelve We had eleven
Speaker 2: for one for the first alternate playoff, and somebody's like, dude,
Speaker 2: you know the first this is the first alternate site
Speaker 2: and they always hold a couple of spots, like you
Speaker 2: if you win the swet UF, you're guaranteed to get.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh okay, I had in Baldon hour.
Speaker 2: So I was drinking beer on the range like kind
Speaker 2: of whacking balls and guys like one of the other players.
Speaker 3: Was like, dude, you can't be doing that, and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, what do you mean? Like I was like, this
Speaker 2: has been some rules, like I didn't. I was kind
Speaker 2: of playing dumb whatever and so usg G he didn't care,
Speaker 2: So anywo, I make I a thirty footer on the
Speaker 2: first hole to make birdie and to have there's only
Speaker 2: one of the guy made Bertie, so then went to
Speaker 2: the next hole. Uh and I made par and he
Speaker 2: made bogie and I was the first videos opening got
Speaker 2: in like two weeks.
Speaker 3: Later or a week later, I guess. So it's pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: It's funny. We just did this vignette on on Sandy
Speaker 1: Lyle on my other pod and he had the same
Speaker 1: thing happened where he finished this event in like the eighties,
Speaker 1: really early on the European tour, and he shot a
Speaker 1: good score and he thought he was gonna be in
Speaker 1: the top ten, so he's having a glass of line.
Speaker 1: He ended up having like four glass of line. The
Speaker 1: weather got bad and and Seve like completely blew it
Speaker 1: down the stretch. He ended up in a playoff against
Speaker 1: Sev and on the first Holy canned like a thirty
Speaker 1: five foot after four glass of wine to win.
Speaker 3: He's like, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I mean, obviously that doesn't have
Speaker 2: very often because class, but there's beer in the locker
Speaker 2: room forest on Sundays, so like it's easy to go
Speaker 2: in there and grab a beer real.
Speaker 3: Quick and and have a couple, so I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's happened four times than people would ever
Speaker 2: imagine that that somebody who posted early would have a
Speaker 2: couple of pops before they went back out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's like that. It's almost like Sunday
Speaker 1: is like your Friday forever.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Like it's like, you're exactly right.
Speaker 1: I'm done with the work week. I could I can
Speaker 1: hang out for a while. It's like Friday afternoon exactly.
Speaker 2: Most of us have Mondays off travel day for us,
Speaker 2: So by the time we're Tuesday roll around, we're back
Speaker 2: and rate a.
Speaker 3: Roll, So Sundays of our favorite day for everybody on tour.
Speaker 1: Most people, Hey, so tell me about your limited practice theory.
Speaker 1: I'm interested that.
Speaker 3: Well, it's probably a little over one. I do practice.
Speaker 2: I grew up at a place with a bad driving
Speaker 2: range and a very like not even a chipping area
Speaker 2: type thing. So I did all my practice on the
Speaker 2: golf course. I was lucky that no one was out
Speaker 2: there in the evenings. I could just cruise down and
Speaker 2: so I got used to practicing on the golf course. Well,
Speaker 2: so I'm not a range rat. I never really had
Speaker 2: a coach until, you know, a real serious on until
Speaker 2: I got on a web chair where I worked with
Speaker 2: them all the time and we just My swing doesn't
Speaker 2: change much.
Speaker 3: I can always hit it.
Speaker 2: As soon as I set up correctly, my swing comes
Speaker 2: back in five or ten balls and then I'm good
Speaker 2: to go.
Speaker 3: So and I've always been a pretty good ball striker,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: Can so and I hate practicing putting, man, and that's
Speaker 2: probably the only thing I need to practice. But I
Speaker 2: just can't stand like hitting putts over and over again.
Speaker 2: That just drives me nuts. So I had not a
Speaker 2: range rat. Like sometimes there's been times on Thursday, I'll
Speaker 2: ask Gino where the rain, just like I haven't been
Speaker 2: to the rain yet until Thursday warming up. So I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get better at it, just like consistently being
Speaker 2: a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Consistent at practicing.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's times I won't have seen the I'll
Speaker 2: just show up on Tuesday, play nine, play my Wednesday
Speaker 2: pro am, and be off, so I don't spend any
Speaker 2: time after the round hitting balls. I'm tired normally after
Speaker 2: I play eighteen holds, so I just kind of go
Speaker 2: back home. But I'll play a lot when I'm home.
Speaker 2: I love to play with the buddies and hanging out.
Speaker 2: But when I do see coach, my coach, Roberts Shelle.
Speaker 2: He's head of instruction here at TPS scott Still and
Speaker 2: he's incredible.
Speaker 3: He's fun.
Speaker 2: He understands me like he's He played on tour in
Speaker 2: early two thousands European Tour, a couple of US opens.
Speaker 2: He was a crazy grinder, like all he did is practice,
Speaker 2: like all day every day. Everything was dedicated to golf.
Speaker 2: And he understands with me like we're at the players.
Speaker 2: This year he flew out for a couple of days
Speaker 2: of like hey, what are.
Speaker 3: You gonna do Wednesday?
Speaker 2: And I Mike, maybe play nine, and he's like feeling
Speaker 2: and just just go goof op for night holes.
Speaker 3: And be done.
Speaker 2: Like you're gonna get your games in a good spot.
Speaker 2: The best thing you can do is go home and
Speaker 2: relax and you know, kind of get my mind right.
Speaker 2: So for me, I do better when I'm refreshed, when
Speaker 2: I'm not wasting time with the golf course hitting a
Speaker 2: bunch of balls and practicing a ton.
Speaker 3: And I do practice plenty, and I a lot.
Speaker 2: When it's with Rob it's structured and we go we
Speaker 2: practice for a couple hours, But I get.
Speaker 3: Burned out after a couple hours practicing. I can't. I
Speaker 3: can't think about golf that long and be, you know,
Speaker 3: hundred percent into it.
Speaker 1: I guess there's the Deval had the theory that if
Speaker 1: he's hitting it good, he doesn't want to go mess
Speaker 1: anything up, and if he's hitting it bad, he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go reinforce anything bad. So like why spend
Speaker 1: a ton of time? I mean, I think I'm kind
Speaker 1: of the same way. It's like, if I go to
Speaker 1: the range, I'm more likely to just screw myself up.
Speaker 1: If I'm playing well.
Speaker 3: If I'm playing well, it's fine.
Speaker 2: If I have like, Okay, I gotta go hit thirty
Speaker 2: balls with correct alignment and you know, fill with club
Speaker 2: faces and get that, then I'll can go through that
Speaker 2: in a bag of balls real quick.
Speaker 3: And be just fine. Like the same thing.
Speaker 2: If I'm hitting it well, I definitely am not going
Speaker 2: to the range, you know. I like chipping. I like
Speaker 2: sometime with bunker playing goofing off there, and I've improved
Speaker 2: out a ton the last couple of years. But everything
Speaker 2: I have to do has to be competitive. I bet gino.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, on any type of web shot or
Speaker 2: chipping or anything, it's like, hey, you have five balls,
Speaker 2: can even.
Speaker 3: Do this with it? I have to say really competitive
Speaker 3: when I practice. Otherwise it just gets so bland. So whatever.
Speaker 2: And I like practice with buddies. If we're gonna go
Speaker 2: out and have a chipping contest, whether that's great. But
Speaker 2: I play way more than I practice.
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I always have said that setting
Speaker 1: up to the ball is the hardest thing in golf.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: If you can set up correctly with the proper alignment
Speaker 2: for whatever you're trying to.
Speaker 3: Do, It's different for everybody. But whatever you.
Speaker 2: Play beast at, if you can do that consistently, then
Speaker 2: your swing, your swing doesn't really change.
Speaker 3: Your alignment changes in your maybe your poster changes.
Speaker 2: A little bit and that stuff, and then you're then
Speaker 2: your swing changes because your setups off, not because of
Speaker 2: your swing is changing.
Speaker 3: So I think that's the biggest thing for most everybody.
Speaker 1: All right, last question, we'll get you out of here,
Speaker 1: so you know quick one. When do you think if
Speaker 1: you were going to guess your coming that the tour
Speaker 1: is coming back, and what would you like to see
Speaker 1: him do with given the circumstances, do you just like,
Speaker 1: do you wipe the year clean? Do you do you
Speaker 1: do like a truncated thing where it you're into the
Speaker 1: playoffs right away, or do you go deep into the
Speaker 1: year you know, and you have a shorter season next year.
Speaker 4: This is a very tough question they I think, I
Speaker 4: think what they should do if we can start on time,
Speaker 4: which I think is like mid May right now, I
Speaker 4: think we're on supposed to be a colonial I highly
Speaker 4: doubt that's gonna happen, you know, based on everything else
Speaker 4: has already been canceled months past that, you know, I
Speaker 4: think things are getting canceled in June and.
Speaker 3: July already, so maybe just roll the year over.
Speaker 2: I know there's rumors of them, even like the playoffs,
Speaker 2: so like I've heard the rumors of the Tour Championship
Speaker 2: could be one hundred and forty four players, just a
Speaker 2: full field that let everybody play. If this, if this
Speaker 2: delay happens, for it, you can't throw out the previous result.
Speaker 2: You can't throw out the previous twenty seven events. I
Speaker 2: think you just roll over the tournament year and make
Speaker 2: it like a year and a half long deal and
Speaker 2: play it that way. I think that that's the fairest
Speaker 2: way because people who have played great get to continue.
Speaker 3: To play great. People that play bad you get a
Speaker 3: whole nother chance at it.
Speaker 2: It really stinks for the corn fairy players who have
Speaker 2: maybe got off to a good start because then they're
Speaker 2: down there for another year, and it really screws the
Speaker 2: bottom guys in the golf world.
Speaker 1: The problem with the corn faery is like their seasons
Speaker 1: not as long as yours. So it's like you can't
Speaker 1: give somebody a card who played well in like five events,
Speaker 1: you know, right.
Speaker 3: They've play played six events so far.
Speaker 2: They would have to get off, they'd have to play
Speaker 2: right away and get a lot of events in.
Speaker 3: I just I can't imagine what they're going to do
Speaker 3: or how they would make that fair.
Speaker 2: But for us two guys, I mean, man, we've we've
Speaker 2: already played what twenty events or something, or the possibilities
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: I know some guys have only played like eight or nine.
Speaker 1: But it's crazy because like the fall has become so
Speaker 1: big now that right exactly, it's weird that you're like
Speaker 1: almost three quarters away through the season, you know, right
Speaker 1: like halfway actually, and it's too bad.
Speaker 3: We've missed every quote unquote big event.
Speaker 2: We've missed the four Majors, and the players didn't get finished,
Speaker 2: and so you know, you feel like the golfleet doesn't
Speaker 2: even start until now almost, is what a lot of guys,
Speaker 2: you know, feel like kind of maybe Rive kicks off
Speaker 2: the season and you go through Florida. But I'm just
Speaker 2: super happy I don't have to make the decision because
Speaker 2: what ever it is, people are going to be really
Speaker 2: happy and really unhappy. I don't know about it. I'm
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at sitting back and letting people make
Speaker 2: their decisions. And either way, you got to live with
Speaker 2: it and you got to make.
Speaker 3: The best of it.
Speaker 2: So I just hoped that, you know, everyone, like everyone else,
Speaker 2: I hope this goes away sooner rather than later.
Speaker 3: I hope everyone stays healthy.
Speaker 2: And you know, I hope the economy is okay after
Speaker 2: all this.
Speaker 3: That's a whole other world to go down.
Speaker 2: But I just hope that everything comes out okay and
Speaker 2: when it I really really think that the world needs sports.
Speaker 2: So if you think about major moments that we've had
Speaker 2: in the past, like sports brings people together.
Speaker 3: It gives them a relief, an outlet.
Speaker 2: So you know, I remember after nine to eleven, Bush
Speaker 2: throughout the first pitch at Yankee Stadium, and it was
Speaker 2: like this amazing moment. It was like united, like this
Speaker 2: as divided as a country is, whether you're black, white, purple,
Speaker 2: or you're leaning left or leaning right, like it doesn't
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter at this point. We just need
Speaker 2: to do the right thing for everybody around us, and
Speaker 2: whatever that is.
Speaker 3: Do it.
Speaker 2: And then whatever if we can get NBA to go
Speaker 2: to Vegas and play their their games and just stick
Speaker 2: everybody hotel where they're isolated and play a game, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure they have resources to figure that out. No fans, obviously,
Speaker 2: I think golf.
Speaker 3: Could play with no fans. It would be limited volunteers.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't have people in the locker room, play out
Speaker 2: of you know, like go mini tour style, play out
Speaker 2: of the trunk of her cars, bring your own food.
Speaker 1: You could have coverage and better competition without fans.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you could do so much stuff with
Speaker 2: and then Yeah, sure, I mean there's a you would
Speaker 2: get a lot of It'd be different, but I think
Speaker 2: that you would still get great competition.
Speaker 3: The players would still play and it would be I
Speaker 3: think it'd be great.
Speaker 2: So I don't care who comes back, but we need
Speaker 2: sports somewhere somehow to have an outlet for you know,
Speaker 2: we can only watch so many old school classics before
Speaker 2: you know, those kind of run out as well.
Speaker 3: So I don't care what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't care if NBA or Baseball or somebody figure
Speaker 2: out a way to get sports back in the world
Speaker 2: so people have an outlet. I don't care if it's
Speaker 2: called or not, but sometimes a sports somewhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like your idea of the season and a half.
Speaker 1: I think that makes actually a ton of sense. And
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about it. It's like I've always said,
Speaker 1: just wipe it and start over, but it doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: not really fair to somebody having a great year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you got Sung Jamis leading the fed
Speaker 2: Ice Cup. You got a guy like me, he's off
Speaker 2: to a pretty good start.
Speaker 3: You got guys like you know who maybe have won
Speaker 3: for the first time or something like that. You can't
Speaker 3: wipe that out. So I think you just carried over
Speaker 3: and the other.
Speaker 2: You can't just move this season ahead because then you're
Speaker 2: these these fall tournaments. You can't just you know, we're
Speaker 2: gonna play the Masters and where Vegas is, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: you can do that, but like it'd be terrible, you can't,
Speaker 2: So I say you just roll it over.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they do with the past. De
Speaker 3: Vinci didn't work out. I'm not smart enough to figure
Speaker 3: that out. But get everybody a fair shot.
Speaker 2: Let them just kind of continue where they're at and.
Speaker 1: And you'll see more big names play in spots they
Speaker 1: don't usually play.
Speaker 2: Whatever first tournament that comes back is could be the
Speaker 2: greatest field in histuy, Like, can.
Speaker 3: You imagine if it's like.
Speaker 2: Like the John Dear and everybody's just I mean you have,
Speaker 2: like it's better than the players field or something. It'd
Speaker 2: just be mind boggling. What would what would come back?
Speaker 2: So maybe it's a barber salt or something like that.
Speaker 2: It would just be awesome to watch players play.
Speaker 1: Tiger comes back to the Quad Cities in place for
Speaker 1: the first time since he, uh, since Ed Fiori took
Speaker 1: him down in ninety six.
Speaker 3: Is that a real story? That's awesome to look into that.
Speaker 1: It's a it's a great story, he called. He was
Speaker 1: he was talking about retiring golf from golf the week
Speaker 1: before and captaining a charter boat. And then the next
Speaker 1: week he beat Tiger, and then the next in a
Speaker 1: final round, Tiger had the lead in a final round.
Speaker 1: Next guy to beat Tiger was y. Yeah in that situation.
Speaker 3: So that's so awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Tiger comes.
Speaker 3: Where we need it. We need where is Ed Fiori,
Speaker 3: Now that's what we need.
Speaker 1: He's I did a flashback Friday on Ed Fiori. So
Speaker 1: but he just is like hanging out at a pool
Speaker 1: in his house. Calls him the pool boy.
Speaker 3: Now good for him. Well, that's so awesome, all right.
Speaker 3: I think that'd be fun whatever it may be. I
Speaker 3: hope it. I hope it all works out in the end.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Hey, thanks for the time. People can follow you
Speaker 1: on Twitter. You're active there and hopefully everybody's got a
Speaker 1: new player to root for, so I hope.
Speaker 3: So yeah, thanks for having me on, Andy, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, I'll hopefully see you in a few
Speaker 1: months when this thing gets gets going again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm looking forward to it for sure. All right,
Speaker 3: all right, take care, thanks man, you bet