WEBVTT - One on One: Jessica Kiper 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:18.440 I am all in. I am all in with Scott 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:22.960 Patterson and I heart radio podcast everybody, Scott Patterson, We're 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:28.560 gonna talk to Jessica Kuyper, who played Shane in Lazy Hazy, 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:33.599 Crazy Days of Summer, was Milo's girlfriend. We saw him 0:00:33.640 --> 0:00:38.280 kissing under a tree, which shocked Rory and who would 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.559 put on a nice dress in case she ran into 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.440 jess and she ran into jess and she ran into 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.640 Jessica Kuyper as well. Um, so we're gonna talk to 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.760 a little one on one, get some behind the scenes, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.800 and let's bring her in. Hi, how are you doing. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:01:01.880 I'm good, good, Thanks for coming on. When years twenty years, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:07.600 it's it's I mean, I do remember you. I do 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:12.240 remember you. You were very kind? Was I I was kind? 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:14.440 You know? I used to be kind, you know, at 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:19.920 least I used to be. No, I'm really I don't 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:24.560 know you're you're that scene, I'll tell you that. What 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.240 an impactful scene that was. First of all, let me look, 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:32.480 we're talking to Jessica Kuyper here. Uh, you were in 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:37.160 a total of like four episodes, right, You're in four 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:42.600 episodes and when we first see you, my literally just 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:49.120 talk about it. Oh, man, that really impacted me. Shane 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:53.160 was used and abused. Yeah, but but I mean I 0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:57.480 haven't seen I guess because I haven't seen those episodes. 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.320 I'm just seeing it for the first time. That's the 0:02:00.360 --> 0:02:03.880 first time, and I wow, I was shocked when I 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:05.840 saw that episode. But then I realized, Well, it was 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.480 a whole summer went by. You know, he was twiddling 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.520 his thumbs all summer. He meets you and he's like, 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:21.480 what twiddling more than the sum Yeah? Really like, um, 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.880 you know, wholesome is it? Yes? I've listened to a 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.440 few of you. Aren't they wholesome? Is that was how 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.799 you describe the fans? Are? So? I didn't want the 0:02:31.840 --> 0:02:35.040 same thing dirty. But so tell us what it was 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:39.720 like getting that role. What do you remember about it, 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.880 the audition process and all that when Oh, well, I 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.080 guess he helped me get it. He told me that 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:50.360 later when we met. He told me that he saw us, 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.600 and I remember seeing him walking to Amy's office and 0:02:54.200 --> 0:02:56.680 at the you know, callbacks. I guess there was probably 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:59.320 just like five people being seen, but I only saw 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:06.640 two other women, girls, children, And he walked in and uh, 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:09.400 we smiled at each other, and then he said, and 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.840 you told her that I was the most interesting looking. Really, 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:17.400 I probably just looked like the biggest hussey in the group. 0:03:18.680 --> 0:03:21.440 That's fine, whatever works, right, whatever gets you the gig 0:03:23.160 --> 0:03:31.280 competitions a monster, isn't it. Jesus, What a good gig 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:35.360 to get though, huh. I remember how something about the 0:03:35.360 --> 0:03:40.600 audition besides him, besides seeing him. Oh well, I had 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:43.520 never watched the show, and I still have not watched 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:47.800 the entire series. We have that in common, um, but 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.320 I knew it was a big show. Oh, my car 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.920 had broken down on the side of the road, like 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.360 a sim horizon from the eighties. But I was always 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.240 driving around beaters, you know, are they and when you're 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:04.280 stuggling actor and my car had just broken down on 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.600 the side of the road on the East Kueanga before 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:11.240 you go over. That's a bad place to break down. Well, 0:04:12.040 --> 0:04:15.320 there's a fire thing right down the road. But anyways, 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.000 uh yeah, but it's such a skinny road. It's kind 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:21.599 of dangerous. Yes, it is dangerous, there's no But that's 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:23.440 when I got the call. While I was waiting on 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:25.600 the tow truck, that's when I got the call that 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:31.400 I booked it. Really, that's one of those fun stories. 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.080 And I didn't know anything about it. I didn't know 0:04:34.080 --> 0:04:39.200 anything about Milo and uh, yeah, I did you read 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.839 with him or did you just read for was Amy 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.080 in the room when you read? No, it's just yeah, 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:45.640 I don't think he was in the room now, it 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.640 was just casting say something to her and left, and 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:55.280 then luckily he saw me. Hey, you know what it's like? Hey, whatever, 0:04:55.360 --> 0:04:58.280 you know it's it's there's a million reasons you get 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:02.080 a job. If it's because the lead actor thinks they're cute, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:06.200 that's okay, there's nothing wrong with that, and they're not. Look, 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:07.600 they're not going to let you on the set if 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:11.920 you can't deliver the goods right that far. So I 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.880 beat out several girls. But that extra something right then, 0:05:16.080 --> 0:05:18.839 that had that a little extra something that Milo noticed 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:22.359 and that's good. Good on him, right because that's the 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:24.240 one he vibes with and that's going to make a 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:29.760 better scene. Well, we we didn't have fun scenes. I 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:31.760 was barried at the time. I have fun stories for 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:35.440 you about my little go ahead nothing bad, No, no no, 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:40.160 I know go ahead one day on set and I 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:42.800 don't think it was my first day. I think I 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:44.719 mean it could have been. I don't know, it's all blurred, 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:48.200 you know. But one day, on a break for the 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:53.160 launch or something, he went to a Catholic church. He 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.880 brought me. I don't know why I went with him 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.680 or he asked me or how that worked out, but 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.200 we were hanging out and he was like going, so 0:06:02.320 --> 0:06:04.839 I was with him. We went to this Catholic church 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:08.680 very close to Warner Brothers. And he went in and 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:13.600 spoke to a priest. And I mean he didn't try 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:17.280 and uh convert me or anything. I'm not Catholic. But 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:20.760 I don't know what he went to speak, maybe about something, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:23.400 you know, maybe he was, you know, researching something, or 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.920 maybe he felt bad about kissing a married woman. I 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:29.400 have no idea, because we went for it. We didn't 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:33.840 take it. You know, we noticed that. Oh yeah, we 0:06:33.920 --> 0:06:39.800 noticed that in the scene. Yes, and what's a what's 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:43.960 another Milo story? Um? We like, we like, we like 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:47.760 behind the scene stories. Oh well, um, so my first 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:50.880 day the a C did not work and my crappy 0:06:50.960 --> 0:06:56.240 little non star trailer I don't think I even had 0:06:56.240 --> 0:07:00.200 a TV and uh so, uh he let me hang 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.880 out and his trailer, which was a store wagon, and 0:07:03.920 --> 0:07:06.960 then you know, how a c and and uh and 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.920 so I just watched TV and his nice air conditioned 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:14.280 Posh wagon while he very just like I guess, which 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.880 is like weird because just is kind of jured anyway, 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.480 He's like sitting outside inside reading a book on his 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:27.080 you know, stoop um. And then Alexis came by and 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:28.680 talked to him for a little bit. And then later 0:07:28.720 --> 0:07:31.240 he told me like, Alexis never comes to talk to me, 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:33.840 and I was like, oh, well, it's like life is 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:38.600 imitating art and so okay. So there was a security 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.200 guard who I told I don't know if you remember her. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:44.680 She was there all the time, Brunette I think kind 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.600 of Spanish, and she was nice, very nice. I don't 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:52.440 know if you know who kind of something's kind Yeah, 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.760 maybe he talked a lot. And one day I told 0:07:55.760 --> 0:07:58.440 her like, they're gonna get together, you know watched you 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:00.480 just watched and she was like, no, been on the 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:02.640 show for like I thought you were already together. Now 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:04.240 there's no way they're going to get together. And I 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:09.720 was like, you mark my word. And then at the 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:15.920 hundredth episode party, remember the um you know night thing um, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.680 she told me she's like they're together and she was like, 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.520 oh my god, you called it. I was like I 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.400 could see it, you know, from worked my magic. I 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:29.840 got it from from from the moment, from the moment 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:35.319 he hit the set, right from the moment he showed up. Uh, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.280 the girls were going crazy and they were vying for him. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:43.079 I remember everybody on set on the cast, you know, 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:47.120 the younger the younger cast members were all jostling for position. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:52.800 I mean, I I remember Liza, you know, cruising his trailer. Everyone. 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.360 I mean, he caused quite a star. I don't know 0:08:55.520 --> 0:09:03.240 people's actor names, like you Liza, Liza played Pari. Okay, yeah, 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:07.240 so I remember he just you know, it's like everybody 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.480 wanted to date him, you know, man, you know what, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.600 I'm so lucky, but like I wish maybe like this 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:17.000 is I'm not married to the same person anymore. That was, 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:21.320 you know, very tumultuous relationship. But had I not been 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:26.679 sang like you know how, like maybe I could have 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:31.600 worked that angle like like I was so maybe I 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:36.920 don't know, because I was so I was married, so 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.680 like I didn't even think about it like that. But 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:44.520 I did enjoy making out with him. So yeah, that's look, 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.760 that's that's the main thing, and maybe if you were 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:52.200 the type of girl that would have had something going 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.720 on with him. That's why he went to talk to 0:09:55.760 --> 0:09:58.200 the priest just in case. Because I seem like that 0:09:58.280 --> 0:09:59.719 kind of girl. That's why the cast me is that 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:04.640 kind girl. But you know, I'm a one guy right there, 0:10:04.679 --> 0:10:09.079 you go, Right, so every everybody felt safe and you 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:13.240 know it was all good. Well, yeah, and he feels 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.160 say if he was very he was a gentleman. He 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:17.480 was you know, he was very kind to me. But 0:10:17.600 --> 0:10:20.560 he never made a move or anything like that. Yeah, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:23.200 that would be outside his character to do something like that. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:27.240 I'm sure. Since then, I've always thought because he had 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.960 such a basis, like a religious like you know, maybe 0:10:31.080 --> 0:10:35.480 that's why he's who he is today. He is. Wow, 0:10:35.640 --> 0:10:38.199 I love this is us, Oh my god, and love that. 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.839 I love it. I love it to cry every episode 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.320 like it's an amazing show and he's great on it. 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:47.480 And then just like sometimes I'm like, I'm so honored 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:49.920 that they just like hired me to be the eye 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:56.520 candy that makes that with him I had, but hey, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.840 that's so nice. It's a nice game. Well, you've parlayed 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:05.040 into a nice career. No, I mean I don't think 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.200 I did, Like, well, I mean they're they're the fans 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:16.960 of this show, which are huge, huge fans, and then uh, 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.640 and then Survivor. So like Survivor came five years after 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:24.880 this show. Nobody even remembered me from this show, and 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:31.280 I did Survivor and they're really really about the very 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:36.719 big fans of them. You seem so um, I don't know, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:43.120 like I didn't. I didn't go further like I did 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:52.200 a few other shows. So so what was that Survivor experience? 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.199 Like where did they send you? And like, what what 0:11:55.240 --> 0:12:00.000 was that? All? You're in Africa? Okay, yeah, no, it's crazy. 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.200 I was one of my first season. I didn't I've 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:05.360 never even seen that show. I'm I'm I do a 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.120 lot of shows that I've never watched. Well, I they 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:13.640 sent me five seasons to like, uh to study. So 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.680 I on DVD back in the day. And I was 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.199 in New York at the time and so and my 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.400 my my father had just passed away, and so I 0:12:22.440 --> 0:12:25.360 was really not doing anything. I'd moved to New York. 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:29.120 I decided to kind of give up acting. Um, and 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:31.000 then I kind of got bored and was like maybe 0:12:31.000 --> 0:12:32.800 we should try acting in New York, which is like 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:36.760 the worst idea. I had no representation out there, and like, 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:40.560 I wasn't equity, so I was like, what am I doing? Anyways? Uh, 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:43.520 they found me on a calendar, on a dog pan 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:48.760 up calendar like a dog charity for some show and 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.199 I can't remember the name. I want to say it's 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.160 America's Greatest Dog, but I flipped it up and I 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:56.440 can't be right. So something about dogs like dogs and 0:12:56.559 --> 0:12:59.320 people living in a house and having competitions or something, 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:01.280 and I they flew me back from New York to 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:03.319 l A had already lived in Elm for a long 0:13:03.320 --> 0:13:06.640 time and uh, with my dog and I took that 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:09.040 trip because I wanted to come back and visit my friends. 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:14.240 And then I extended the plane for a week so 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:19.440 I could hang out, and um, I didn't. I was 0:13:19.480 --> 0:13:21.559 never planning on doing a reality show because I was 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:24.160 an actor. But I was in a wall and they 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.240 caught me on it down you know, I was very 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:31.199 sad a gig well then they then I came back 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.360 to New York and the casting director said what you know, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:36.720 like we want you for a survivor and I was like, 0:13:38.400 --> 0:13:40.480 I'm never even paid outside. There's no way I'm gonna 0:13:40.480 --> 0:13:43.960 do Survivor. That is not my I've like seen the 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:47.600 first episode or two of the very first season and 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:49.760 so no, thank you. And then they were like, we're 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.360 gonna send you five seasons. So we watched. I watched 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.280 it my ex husband at the time. He was already 0:13:54.280 --> 0:13:57.680 my ex husband, but his dad had died three days later, 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.640 and my dad and a freak accident where somebody opened 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.280 up their car door without looking in New York and 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:06.200 knocked him in the street. He was riding a bike 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:11.360 and in a bus or a truck. Hinnant tragic, three 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.520 days after my dad had died of the three and 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:17.720 a half year of cancer thing. Insane, So I, you know, 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:19.920 went to New York and so I've been up there 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:24.000 with my ex husband and we watched those seasons together 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:25.560 and he was like, if you don't do this, you're 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:28.480 in scening. So I was like, well, I guess you're right. 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:32.680 I'm feeling pretty insane nowadays anyways. And and I needed 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.120 like an adventure, and I had no plans on getting 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.400 very far or winning or anything like that. I just 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.640 wanted to heal a little bit. And I ended up 0:14:41.680 --> 0:14:45.480 amongst winning, which is incredible crazy, And then I went 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:47.880 back a couple of years later for a year later 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:53.560 for season twining for Heroes Versus Fellons. Okay, um, so 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:58.400 you've performed as Marilyn Monroe since the age of fifteen. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:04.280 How did you get star did in this crazy? Um? Well, 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.760 when I was twelve, people started telling me I looked 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.960 like her young Marilyn Monroe, and I had no idea 0:15:11.000 --> 0:15:14.240 who that was. And my parents were divorced, and I 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.480 went to visit my dad that summer for like a 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.800 month and I asked him to rent a movie because 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:21.720 somebody told me, you know, a couple of people told 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:23.520 me I looked like this person, and I have no idea. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.280 He was like, what, you don't know who this is? 0:15:25.640 --> 0:15:28.800 So we watched it and I was like, oh my god, 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:31.640 I had We were really, really poor, and I had 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:36.400 super low self esteem. When I saw this angel the 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.280 screen glowing, I was like, oh my god, so many 0:15:40.280 --> 0:15:42.840 things I looked like that, you know, And I was 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.160 like while going out thirteen, So I was like, in 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:50.400 the weirdest stage of my life, right, Uh. So that 0:15:50.560 --> 0:15:53.240 really gave me a lot of confidence. And then when 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.000 I was fifteen, I did a talent show as Marilyn 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.360 Monroe and I one second place, and it was like thinking, 0:15:58.360 --> 0:15:59.800 So I didn't even really think if I was going 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:02.640 to get in the contest, because like, is that a talent? 0:16:03.000 --> 0:16:06.000 I don't know? And so uh. And then when I 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.360 was sixteen, I won my first contest, And when I 0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.040 was seventeen, I me to San Francisco after high school 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:14.680 and with my first job was that Laurie's Fishy's Diner, 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:18.200 being Merrily Monroe walking around passing out things with Charley 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:21.280 Chaplin and uh. And then when I was nineteen to 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:23.680 move to l a and got with William Morris Agency. 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:29.640 What what Yeah, I was on the show within six months, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:33.800 Called for Your Love. Wow. Yeah, It's been a wild ride. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:40.960 And now I'm a suburban mom. One of the valleys okay, okay, one, 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:43.760 there's several and then, um, you know, I have a 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.000 six year old daughter. You know, we just bought a house. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:55.800 It's so warm, that's nice. What do you love most 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:01.280 about Maryland? Oh my god, you know, I'm a really 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.200 big nerd. I'm in the fan club. Well, there's several, 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.800 but the longest running bank Marilyn remembered, and um, I mean, 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:12.760 I go to meetings we do, like a birthday we do. 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:16.320 I've spoken at one of her memorials. We do a 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:20.359 memorial every year and either Christmas party. I am a 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:22.800 super herd, Like everybody's a nerd about something. That's what 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:24.560 I'm a nerd about. I have a guest room in 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:26.679 my house with Marilyn stuff. But what what do I 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.600 love the most about her? I mean, I think that 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:35.439 most of us that love Maryland gravitate too. You know, 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:39.439 her hard upbringing and you know, poor upbringing, you know, 0:17:40.720 --> 0:17:44.679 no solid foundation. But then she made it like she 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:49.240 made that happen. And you know she did it pretty 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:53.359 without too much you know, you know giving, you know 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:55.520 what I mean, She like worked for it. She did 0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:59.240 a lot of like work on herself, which I wish 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.720 I could say that I go to class. I've gone 0:18:01.720 --> 0:18:03.960 to classes for years. I don't. I don't get to 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.800 class for acting. But she did. She really made that happen. 0:18:08.200 --> 0:18:10.880 She moved to New York and and and was invited 0:18:10.880 --> 0:18:14.040 into the Actors Studio and married h Arthur Miller, for 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.600 God's sake. I mean, that's taking your craft pretty seriously. 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:21.560 Those are those are the three highlights that you know 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:25.040 or you love Maryland two and you're just saying that 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.679 are like I do. I mean I thought she was, 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:33.200 you know, a very rare combination of beauty, I mean 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:41.679 just overwhelming, uh sensuality and beauty and vulnerability and comedic timing. 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:46.960 I think she was very skilled and and she controlled 0:18:47.359 --> 0:18:50.320 every scene she was in with relative these So I 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:54.240 think she was a very very special special talent on 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.840 not just the obvious uh you know gifts that she had. 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.560 She was she was a very gifted actress as well, 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.760 very very gifted, and she never I don't know that 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.960 she really ever got credit for it. Oh yeah. Um, 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:14.280 so are you similar to her in ways? In different 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:17.760 in ways? How how are you similar? How are you different? He? Um? 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:22.479 Since since I grew up pretending to be her, Um, like, 0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:25.800 I really developed a completely different personality so that I 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:30.920 would know the difference between me and her. Um. I'm 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.359 very into vintage and stuff, but I'm like a little 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.800 punk rock. I try not to be as punk rock 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:41.679 as I'm so hard like trying to be U a 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.720 Valley mom and like, I have a group of moms 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:46.960 and we all have kids in the same class, and 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.920 like I felt like a real weirdo when guy here. 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.240 But yeah, but I made myself that weird how so, 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:56.840 and I'm like, I like me. I think it's to 0:19:57.040 --> 0:19:59.840 keep me separate. I think I even I made my 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.640 voice maybe even lower, just because I wanted to make 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.320 there there'll be a difference. I didn't think when I 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:10.440 was fifteen that there wasn't even a job called impersonating. 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:12.919 So I didn't think that I would be doing that 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:16.000 my whole life or anything like that. I was. We 0:20:16.080 --> 0:20:18.240 didn't do that. That wasn't like, you know, I didn't 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.600 come from the city. There wasn't a girl on the 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.680 corner taking pictures and so so you're doing that. Still 0:20:24.720 --> 0:20:27.760 you're still impersonating Maryland and being hired to do it. 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:32.000 So what I don't do like singing telegrams and I 0:20:32.040 --> 0:20:34.560 don't hang out on Hollywood full of no no, I 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:39.199 know that. So describe, Describe what you do, and what 0:20:39.240 --> 0:20:42.639 you do basically just walk around and stay in character 0:20:42.720 --> 0:20:45.720 for a few hours, take pictures with people, help have 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:48.439 a host you on stage, and you have an agent 0:20:48.520 --> 0:20:51.639 for that that books you for these things. I have 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:54.840 a couple of different agents for that, you know, my 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:59.520 regular acting manager and then a commercial agent. That's great. Yeah, 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:03.919 well be crazy if I was working a lot. I 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.679 have very very rarely go out and I don't know, 0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:10.480 I just tick some of your headshots. We'll see what happens. Oh, 0:21:10.520 --> 0:21:15.439 their business is impossible. It's impossible. And people don't people 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:18.520 go where did they go? Or like, what have they've 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.960 been doing? Oh? You know it's not that easy. Like 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.719 you can't you can't get work if you don't get 0:21:24.760 --> 0:21:27.560 the audition. And if you're not you know what they're 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.920 needing right now, then you're not auditioning a lot. You 0:21:29.960 --> 0:21:33.080 know you're feeling that way. I feel you there. There 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:37.320 are very few people that work all the time. That 0:21:37.520 --> 0:21:42.399 is That is the the exception, But the norm is 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:46.400 like everybody's fighting for a job and it's a it's 0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:49.720 a tough slog out there, man, it really is. I mean, 0:21:49.760 --> 0:21:52.040 I'm so happy that I got into this part of 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.880 my life where I have the family and like normalcy. 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:59.000 But at this point we're feeling very not stagnant at all. 0:21:59.080 --> 0:22:02.720 We have wall to paint, I have like rooms to decorate, 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:08.280 but I really do want to do so. But but 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.359 I'm not hungry, like I just moved to town. You 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.520 know what I mean. I'm not you know, I'm not 0:22:12.600 --> 0:22:15.560 out there, you know, pushing myself and like you know, 0:22:16.680 --> 0:22:25.800 you know, So tell me what is your best Gilmore memory? Oh? Man, um, well, 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:32.080 Fred Savage directed my first episode. I'm a huge wonder 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.480 wonder years. Wait minute, he directed a Gilmore Girls episode. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:38.840 He directed a couple of them. Did he really? Did 0:22:38.880 --> 0:22:43.560 you not talk to you know what? I didn't know this. 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.119 The series that I did after Gilmore Girls was up 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.280 in Vancouver doing is called oh God, what was the 0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:54.960 name of that thing? Aliens in America for c W 0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:01.280 and Fred Fred Fred rect did I don't know, three 0:23:01.400 --> 0:23:03.840 or four episodes and that we only did one season, 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:06.800 so he did three or four episodes. But I guess 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:09.080 I did remember him from Gilmore, but I don't really 0:23:09.080 --> 0:23:12.879 remember him from Gilmore. I remember him from that that 0:23:13.440 --> 0:23:17.359 I said, Savage, right, Fred Savage? Yeah? Okay, yeah, okay, 0:23:17.560 --> 0:23:20.040 I wanted to. I didn't want to say Armison on accident. 0:23:20.400 --> 0:23:24.400 Fred Savage all full of all, full of energy and yes, 0:23:25.400 --> 0:23:28.400 hold my load, to put his hands in my back pockets. 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:30.840 And I was thinking, how cute and eighties that was, 0:23:31.080 --> 0:23:34.400 That's very eighties. I was like, hell, that's very seventies 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.919 as well. I'll tell you I think they did that 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.440 in wonder years too. But I mean it's a thing anyway. 0:23:40.520 --> 0:23:42.520 I just remember him coming and telling him that, and 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:48.639 I was like, go right ahead. You know, an actor 0:23:48.720 --> 0:23:52.160 makes choices based on many different things, and well that's 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:58.280 what you know, I guess the story there. The moral 0:23:58.280 --> 0:24:00.240 of the story there is just grabbing what's right front 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:05.840 of you, right right, something like that. Um, but so 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:07.560 what is so what is your what is your best 0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:11.120 memory of Gilmore working with Fred Savage? Um? Okay, well 0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.040 that was. That was so cool to me, not not 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:17.439 Milo but working Fred Savage. But yeah, no, that that 0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:21.679 Fred Savage was directing My first episode was Yeah, that was. 0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.320 And then I worked at one in one coffee shop, 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.880 you know on Franklin. One on one coffee shop is 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.560 named something different. Now, okay, yes, yes, this is this. Yeah, 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:34.080 I know what you're talking about, a lot of famous 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:36.960 people went in there all the time because it came 0:24:37.000 --> 0:24:39.879 down from the hip, came down something else. And he 0:24:39.920 --> 0:24:43.080 would come in a lot with his family and so like, 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:45.399 you know, one time I said something to him and 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:48.960