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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys at now Here are Bill Jones, Everson Walls,
Speaker 1: and Nicky Spagnola, and it's time for another edition of
Speaker 1: mix Shots inside the SWBC podcast studio Here at the
Speaker 1: Beautiful Star in Fresco. We are now one week away
Speaker 1: from Draft Day, the first round of the National Football
Speaker 1: League Draft twenty twenty two. Everson Walls has all of
Speaker 1: his draft research taking care of. He's got lots he
Speaker 1: wants to spew out over the next Last week, I'm
Speaker 1: just listening today, by the way, the introduction. Let's see,
Speaker 1: we got it right this week? Right, you said what
Speaker 1: I said? The music? Yeah, we didn't do yeah, come on, now,
Speaker 1: we didn't do that last week? You got I felt
Speaker 1: like I was naked last week. You know, we didn't
Speaker 1: get I get the boom. I gotta do my shoot
Speaker 1: the thing, and you know I didn't get through that.
Speaker 1: Just go, just go, y'all went last week? That was crazy,
Speaker 1: all right? And Mickey Spagnola has not one, not two,
Speaker 1: but three legal pads filled with notes from the last
Speaker 1: week that you watch the trash over the too. We
Speaker 1: don't know what trash is over get all that trash,
Speaker 1: and my three notebooks aren't. Just think that's big green
Speaker 1: NFL draft scouting notebook. Yeah, but yours is neat. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: thank yous. That's right. That's what you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: able to read it. Yeah and find it. You know
Speaker 1: you have the stuff out up over there. Well, I
Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff just in case I need
Speaker 1: to research. You know, when you get a little older,
Speaker 1: you start forgetting things you're supposed to research before you though,
Speaker 1: I've done some research as a matter of Look at
Speaker 1: this page I spent yesterday morning of those cowboys are
Speaker 1: drafting the ones in pink these are This is a
Speaker 1: page of the free agent offensive linemen in the league,
Speaker 1: and I went through to find out how many guys
Speaker 1: have these, how many games of these guys started? What's
Speaker 1: available out on the open market? Do you have to
Speaker 1: take a guard in the first round? Can't take a guard?
Speaker 1: That's right, you can't take a guard. So what are
Speaker 1: the other options out there? If I mean, you can't
Speaker 1: take any more than one position in the first round
Speaker 1: unless you're going to trade your whole draft and get
Speaker 1: up into the first round and you're only going to
Speaker 1: take two players in the whole draft. H And so
Speaker 1: I figure, you know what you need to see what
Speaker 1: else is available out there, and these guys on this
Speaker 1: sheet right here will probably well, there are there are
Speaker 1: several guys on this sheet right here who are veteran
Speaker 1: free agents who don't have jobs right now, who in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two would do a better job playing left
Speaker 1: guard for you than a guy that even that you
Speaker 1: draft in the first round perhaps, and especially if they
Speaker 1: don't have a job. On May first, that's right after
Speaker 1: the draft, and everybody's bringing in their guys and they're
Speaker 1: all excited about him. And if you don't have a job,
Speaker 1: you're knocking on the door right and saying, okay, I'm available,
Speaker 1: and the price goes down. And I'm just talking about
Speaker 1: for this year. Yeah, the first round, a first round pick,
Speaker 1: you're drafted him not only for this year, but you're
Speaker 1: drafted him for the next five years, correct, and then
Speaker 1: hopefully you're you wanted to sign him to a second contract.
Speaker 1: That's like a Maria Cooper. Does that sound like a
Speaker 1: Marie Cooper in what in what way we signed him?
Speaker 1: He came on. Uh, well they didn't get we didn't
Speaker 1: get him a one year deal. Yeah, we came we
Speaker 1: bothered me in for the Hopes who having five years
Speaker 1: with him, and then we signed it to another deal. Right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about the rookie the second the second contract, which,
Speaker 1: by the way that you brought that up. Cleveland redid
Speaker 1: his contract the twenty million in health. Yeah, in production
Speaker 1: or failure. Uh, they turned his twenty million dollars base salary.
Speaker 1: They paid him eighteen point eight million in a restructured
Speaker 1: bonus and spread that over five years. Okay, paid him
Speaker 1: a one point uh one two base salary this year
Speaker 1: and his cap hit his only four point nine million, wow,
Speaker 1: and they spread it over the eighteen million they gave
Speaker 1: him at signing bonus, So he gets that already. And uh.
Speaker 1: And they put two voidable years on the on the
Speaker 1: back end of the three years that remained on his contract.
Speaker 1: And so while the Cowboys paid six million dollars in
Speaker 1: dead money to get rid of them, they redid his
Speaker 1: contract over basically three years, and so his cap hit
Speaker 1: for this year for the Cleveland Browns four points four
Speaker 1: point eight nine six million dollars. Yeah, so they reduced
Speaker 1: twenty million to four point eight nine to six. So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys could have done that save fifteen millions. They
Speaker 1: could have if they want to, right, So it was
Speaker 1: conceivable that for a four point nine million dollars a
Speaker 1: hit on your salary cap right now, the Cowboys could
Speaker 1: have redone that deal correct and kept him and kept him.
Speaker 1: So it was why did they not do it? Was
Speaker 1: their decision, you know. They can say, well it was
Speaker 1: cap saving, but what it was was they didn't want
Speaker 1: to invest more money in him down the road, like
Speaker 1: push more money back down the road, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's the same decision they made with Lele Collins, right,
Speaker 1: they didn't have to do that. They decided from a
Speaker 1: cap saving standpoint, they can absorb his dead money and
Speaker 1: then pay Terrence Steel no more than probably eight hundred
Speaker 1: and some thousand dollars to start at right tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: that was the conscious decision. Now, you got to be right, right,
Speaker 1: because it's not like you know, you had your hand
Speaker 1: twisted to do that. That doesn't make me feel any
Speaker 1: better that it regl ass to Cooper. I wasn't trying
Speaker 1: to make that saddens me. That saddens me that that
Speaker 1: you know, they had a chance to keep him and
Speaker 1: didn't want to keep him. You know what that means
Speaker 1: They've got somebody and more several guys that might be
Speaker 1: available to them in this draft who they feel they'd
Speaker 1: rather have right now and on into the future. And
Speaker 1: free agency. You don't think so itself. We've got some
Speaker 1: good free agents. I mean you you mentioned the offensive
Speaker 1: linemen available and free. And see, if I had more
Speaker 1: time this morning, I would have done wide receivers. Too
Speaker 1: busy right now. Pretty I just knew he's gonna ask
Speaker 1: me about wide receivers. I just didn't have time to
Speaker 1: do it this morning. But there I can do the
Speaker 1: same process on wide receivers. So there are receivers out there.
Speaker 1: I wanted to get my money right here. Um, Jarvis
Speaker 1: Landry was visiting the Saints yesterday. Uh, five time pro bowler.
Speaker 1: But again, when you talk about a guy like that,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, how much how much is gonna cost?
Speaker 1: Because his base salary in twenty twenty one was twelve
Speaker 1: point five million, So he ain't he doesn't figure he's
Speaker 1: coming cheap, right, We're not you know, bottom basement bargain
Speaker 1: price here um. But again last year, for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, he had fifty two catches for five hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy yards and two touchdowns. So does he have
Speaker 1: to this is his ninth season. Has he got to
Speaker 1: re establish himself as a top wide receiver? And how
Speaker 1: much are you gonna pay for that? And that's what
Speaker 1: it comes down to those guys right now, right, how
Speaker 1: much are you gonna pay? Which is a matter of
Speaker 1: fact and will be careful how I say this with
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel asking for a trade, Well, here's why. I
Speaker 1: heard people talk about it for ten minutes this morning
Speaker 1: on the radio, and they didn't get to the reason why.
Speaker 1: He's in the last year of his contract at three
Speaker 1: point nine million, and he just saw these wide receivers
Speaker 1: get paid thirty million, twenty eight and a half million, right,
Speaker 1: and he's thinking, Hm, I'm maybe more valuable than they.
Speaker 1: That reasoning never came up, and though, no, no, it
Speaker 1: was like, I don't understand what happened. He had such
Speaker 1: a good relationship there, and it's like, well, here's what happened.
Speaker 1: And the last year of his base salary because he's
Speaker 1: a second round pick, right, so he's only gets four
Speaker 1: years that last year. There's no more guaranteed money, by
Speaker 1: the way, So that's what this is all about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how could things have gone wrong? He was the guy
Speaker 1: carrying the boom box on the field that stadium, was
Speaker 1: the called his own number. He called his own number,
Speaker 1: and yeah cowboy and if San Francisco watched the game,
Speaker 1: he's the reason they beat the Cowboys. Right, So I
Speaker 1: was just throw that out and and oh but but
Speaker 1: he liked a tweet of a picture of him in
Speaker 1: a Cowboys uniform with Ceedee Lamb in the picture. That's
Speaker 1: that's good. That's that's where where we're living in today,
Speaker 1: where you you've got you can push your own there.
Speaker 1: They're very easy. Well, and it's in members of our profession.
Speaker 1: Do you think he thought of all that by himself
Speaker 1: for his age? Oh, there must be something to this
Speaker 1: because he liked to tweet with him at the Cowboys uniform.
Speaker 1: He wants to come play for the Cowboys. He also
Speaker 1: want he also wants to make twenty five million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. He ain't coming to the Cowboys. And it
Speaker 1: just shows you how quickly social media can take this
Speaker 1: thing over right, scrubbed his Instagram account. That's right, as Kyler.
Speaker 1: As Kyler got his Instagram back, going, yeah, you don't
Speaker 1: have to be a genius just to make a bunch
Speaker 1: of crap up. And by the way, Kyler's about the
Speaker 1: same boat that the debot is, right right, So um,
Speaker 1: all right, so what what do you want to get
Speaker 1: to on your legal pad? Well, um, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: remember the timing of last week? Did we did? We
Speaker 1: were on Thursday? That was Thursday, Kelvin Joseph. Was it
Speaker 1: came out after Thursday or Friday? Yeah, of course it did. So. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we spent all last Thursday talking about the primary needs.
Speaker 1: That's right, That's right. We talked about needs. So that
Speaker 1: I got the questions. I got the text message from
Speaker 1: Bill he goes, wow, you might put cornerback on it.
Speaker 1: Not again. We just did this last year, right, we did?
Speaker 1: All right? So, I mean he's out here working out. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: but you just you don't know. Now they may know,
Speaker 1: we don't know. You know, it's not like what's going
Speaker 1: to happen with them. And by the way, the NFL
Speaker 1: could have a say in it also, So if if
Speaker 1: there is a possible suspension that we could be dealing
Speaker 1: with this season two. So you're talking about your fourth
Speaker 1: corner who that's who? So what realistic? Okay, let's say
Speaker 1: wipe the slate clean and you got Anthony Brown? Do
Speaker 1: you got Treyvon Diggs, you got Jordan Lewis. Who's your
Speaker 1: top three corners? Okay? Where do you want your second
Speaker 1: round draft pick cornerback uh to be slotted this year
Speaker 1: on the depth chart? I want him challenging for one
Speaker 1: of those other two top three spots. I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: Treyvon Diggs his spot, right, Anthony Brown's in the last
Speaker 1: year of his contract. Jordan Lewis. Okay, they signed him,
Speaker 1: but he might have two years look it up here
Speaker 1: off the top of my head. He signed a three
Speaker 1: year deal. But you would like to challenge him, right,
Speaker 1: And that's what his job should have been. His eyes
Speaker 1: should have been squarely on Jordan Lewis in his position.
Speaker 1: Yeah to me, that's that's that's all you're looking or
Speaker 1: however it worked out because if if he was good
Speaker 1: enough to start at left corner, Anthony Brown has played
Speaker 1: the slot, he can move inside. If they thought he'd
Speaker 1: do it better than Jordan Lewis. Okay, you look, that's
Speaker 1: what they did last year at times? Right, all right,
Speaker 1: you look at the inventory and the at cornerback and
Speaker 1: what's left on their contract, and you were right. Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis has two years left on his contract. Anthony is
Speaker 1: going into the second year of his contract. If you
Speaker 1: look at, okay, who is going to be what cornerbacks
Speaker 1: are going this time next year? If they don't do
Speaker 1: anything with anybody's contract between now and next year at
Speaker 1: this time, what is your inventory at cornerback and what's
Speaker 1: left on their deal? Okay, Trayvon Diggs would have we'll
Speaker 1: be going into his last year. No, he should have
Speaker 1: four years. He's going into his third. He's going into
Speaker 1: his third right now, so he'll be going into his
Speaker 1: fourth year. In the second round draft pick, right, he's
Speaker 1: going to the last year. This is next year, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Okay, Because I think when you're looking at
Speaker 1: the draft, we get caught up in Okay, what needs
Speaker 1: they have right now? Right? What about the needs they're
Speaker 1: going to have a year from now and the year
Speaker 1: after that and the year after that. And that's why
Speaker 1: the second round pick on Joseph that's right, and so
Speaker 1: Diggs a year from now, Diggs will be going into
Speaker 1: his last year. Lewis is going into his last year now,
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph would be going would have two years left
Speaker 1: on his deal, and then to Sean Wright as well,
Speaker 1: and Anthony Browns and Anthony Brown's a free agent next year.
Speaker 1: So you've got a need a year from now for
Speaker 1: a starting cornerback because Anthony Brown's deal is up, He's
Speaker 1: going into the last year of his deal. And if
Speaker 1: you just look at this year, he would at least
Speaker 1: been your at the very least right compete. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't win, he's your fourth corner. So if there's one injury,
Speaker 1: he's on the field right now. After that, all you
Speaker 1: got is Nishan Right and Kron Brown. If there's no
Speaker 1: Kelvin Joseph, CG CG C J. Goodwin is a corner
Speaker 1: but he's a special teams guy, right, That's why he's here.
Speaker 1: So let's let's say pick the number of games. Let's
Speaker 1: say Joseph is out for for this, Okay, for a
Speaker 1: number of games, then I mean you've got a definite
Speaker 1: need right now for a cornerback. Yes, yea, And he
Speaker 1: hopes It's only a suspension, right, so anyway, there's a
Speaker 1: need there safety. A year from now. Curse has a
Speaker 1: two year deal, so he'll be he'll have one year left.
Speaker 1: Hooker has one year left, and Mukuamu would have two
Speaker 1: years left a year from now, and Wison he's going
Speaker 1: into his last year. He's a free agent after this year,
Speaker 1: so I mean, you can make you And by the way,
Speaker 1: Demante CAZy okay, who have apparently visited the Seahawks this week,
Speaker 1: how many snaps did he play? What was his percentage
Speaker 1: of naps that he played last year. I'm gonna guess.
Speaker 1: I can look it up, but I'm gonna guess off
Speaker 1: the top of my head. It was about he played.
Speaker 1: I was thinking, Neil, I was stay Neil, Yes, Yes,
Speaker 1: And so we're sitting here and thinking, oh, we got
Speaker 1: safety taken care of, okay, because they signed Curse, they
Speaker 1: signed Hooker, and they got Donovan. Wow. That's another but
Speaker 1: the way they the way Dan Quinn and Joe Witt
Speaker 1: employed their secondary guys and the sub packages, they used
Speaker 1: those safeties a lot last year, and that was another
Speaker 1: conscious decision to not Now I don't know if they
Speaker 1: loadballed him on trying to resign him, but they didn't
Speaker 1: make it a priority to bring them back. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: when you look at the end of the season, his
Speaker 1: productivity plays, I guess, went up, but plays made went down, yes,
Speaker 1: And that was something that was glaring. Plays played went up, right, yes,
Speaker 1: plays play when, but plays made went down. And so
Speaker 1: you know, after the Charges game, you know, man, I
Speaker 1: was thinking that he was that guy, you know, because
Speaker 1: he had those kind of instincts, you know, and he
Speaker 1: showed them early on in the first two to three
Speaker 1: maybe four games. After that, man, it just seemed like
Speaker 1: he became tired and a long season, like the grind
Speaker 1: got to him. And let's face it, Hooker didn't exactly
Speaker 1: you know, stand out right. He had a game flashed there,
Speaker 1: That's what I thought, Bill, he flashed, Well, I really
Speaker 1: thought that, but it wasn't like a consistent But he
Speaker 1: hears again as a guy that now has some tread,
Speaker 1: had lost some tread on the tire, and he's you know,
Speaker 1: he has had an injury history, and so what if
Speaker 1: you lose him. So the point being, when when they
Speaker 1: approached this draft, you can go across the board with
Speaker 1: basically every position group and you can make the case
Speaker 1: that there is a need, which is why I'm big
Speaker 1: on best player available. Yeah, and you know when Steven
Speaker 1: Stephen talked about it, But every team in the league
Speaker 1: is like this. I mean, that's the way the league is.
Speaker 1: The way the league is designed, where you know you're
Speaker 1: you you only have these guys. It's like college. You
Speaker 1: have to prioritize a group, not just individuals, but the
Speaker 1: entire group. You have to figure out if you want
Speaker 1: to prioritize that group of that And when they were
Speaker 1: trying to pin Stephen down the other day, I guess
Speaker 1: it was Tuesday, on his radio segment about positions and this,
Speaker 1: he goes, we want to draft good players, meaning just
Speaker 1: what Bill said. It's like you're not gonna sit there
Speaker 1: and say I gotta have a defensive end. You say
Speaker 1: that you got to have a defensive end and you
Speaker 1: end up with Taco Charlton. Right. You can't just go
Speaker 1: in and say I need this, um we got we
Speaker 1: we have to we we like you said, we have
Speaker 1: to have just get me a wide receiver though to
Speaker 1: have let me go the guy want to quickly correct
Speaker 1: on the Casey snaps it wasn't ninety four he was
Speaker 1: seventy nine percent. He had he had over nine hundred
Speaker 1: snaps on defense, uh last year, and it was so
Speaker 1: that's seventy nine percent. Look at it starts. I bet
Speaker 1: it starts for right at fourteen fifteen starts, fifteen fifteen starts,
Speaker 1: seventeen games, fifteen starts. Yeah, and we always talked about
Speaker 1: how you know, in the second day, it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: who starts, you're gonna get a lot of playing time
Speaker 1: if you're part of the nickel even don pack, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. And but I mean, so that is a
Speaker 1: starting safety who they can think that they're replacing with Hooker. Okay,
Speaker 1: but but even what using Hooker more and you got
Speaker 1: Donovan Wilson right now, you brought back jay Ron Curse,
Speaker 1: but now you're you're thin on the back end, so
Speaker 1: you're not as flexible to use him as one of
Speaker 1: those linebackers. Sort of, Yeah, it's Curse gonna um some
Speaker 1: of the role that Neil had last year. Well, then
Speaker 1: that to me, that would depend on what Wilson's doing, right,
Speaker 1: you know, and they need him to step up the
Speaker 1: way he was before he got hit. If they if
Speaker 1: you could do that, then we are looking at some
Speaker 1: flexibility here, not necessarily at the cornerback position, but certainly
Speaker 1: within that interior from the slot position on the end.
Speaker 1: So those first three picks, and and that's why when
Speaker 1: Stephen answered the question about trading up, he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes, but when you trade up, and I'm paraphrasing,
Speaker 1: you're giving up a good player. Meaning if I'm going
Speaker 1: to trade up in the first it's going to be
Speaker 1: my second or third round pick, and your second and
Speaker 1: third round pick should be a potential starter for you, right,
Speaker 1: And and so trading up where they're at, somebody's got
Speaker 1: a fall, right, it's got to be Dez Bryant quality.
Speaker 1: And I went back and looked, and in six of
Speaker 1: the last eight years of the draft, they stayed right
Speaker 1: where they were and made the pick. One year they
Speaker 1: didn't have a first so that's one of the two
Speaker 1: years they didn't Cooper, and that was for the Amira
Speaker 1: Cooper trade. And then the other one was basically this
Speaker 1: last one. They trade it down to get a third
Speaker 1: round pick and Parsons and ended up with Chauncey Golston. So,
Speaker 1: but you have to go back to twenty twelve for
Speaker 1: the last time. They actually traded up in the first
Speaker 1: round and it was from fourteen to six to take
Speaker 1: Morris Claiborne, and they could have gotten Michael Bruckers at fourteen.
Speaker 1: Brockers was the second round pick they gave up. I
Speaker 1: believe Brockers nos Ruckers went fourteen fourteen, okay, so and
Speaker 1: the second round pick they gave up, which was forty
Speaker 1: five I have overall, they could have taken Bobby Wagner there, right,
Speaker 1: who went forty So what Steven I will give up?
Speaker 1: So so basically give up a good player. So basically
Speaker 1: to his point, they basically gave up Michael Brockers and
Speaker 1: Bobby Wagner from O Clayborne in that draft. Right, And
Speaker 1: that's and how did Brockers do. Brocker's still playing. He's
Speaker 1: still playing great. He's really good. Yeah. I mean he's
Speaker 1: not the type player that is going to get a
Speaker 1: lot of sacks, but as a defensive tackle, run defender
Speaker 1: and just a brock solid guy. I mean he was
Speaker 1: with Cole yeah, big yeah, I mean he's something like that.
Speaker 1: And he and he'll wind up playing about as long
Speaker 1: as Larry Cold. It was about fifteen years in the
Speaker 1: late and if and if Randy to that point, Randy White,
Speaker 1: I was doing some shows with Randy White, you know,
Speaker 1: several years ago, and he did some work with Michael Brockers,
Speaker 1: I think through his agent. I don't know if cast
Speaker 1: Lion represents him or whatever, but Brocker's agent got Randy
Speaker 1: to work with them, and Randy would just rave about Brockers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But and MO, I mean, if you get a sixth
Speaker 1: round pick, sixth pick in the draft, I mean you
Speaker 1: want a second and third contract on that guy. Right,
Speaker 1: And Claybourne, I think his second was a one year
Speaker 1: deal because he was coming back from injury and then
Speaker 1: that was it. It didn't matter because he played, he
Speaker 1: didn't play well. He couldn't stay healthy. He didn't play well,
Speaker 1: he just couldn't stay healthy. So yeah, so this moving
Speaker 1: up moving down stuff, Their nature lately has been to
Speaker 1: stay put. And did you like the move down in
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, Yes, which they moved down and they took
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick at thirty one, and then Terrence Williams was
Speaker 1: the guy that they took from with their third round pick, right,
Speaker 1: that they got by moving down the trade with San Francisco.
Speaker 1: So if they want a guard at twenty four, they
Speaker 1: need to move down and get something. All years that
Speaker 1: you guys are speaking of, how well did the free
Speaker 1: agency market play. I didn't have time to do the
Speaker 1: research of that. I mean, come on, that is I
Speaker 1: mean that that has everything to do with it, um
Speaker 1: because sometimes t Y Hilton's out there, sometimes Landry's out there.
Speaker 1: You know, Cole Beasley's out there. Yeah, bring back cold,
Speaker 1: damn it, let's do it all right to that point,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you, do the Cowboys need a
Speaker 1: in this offense? A slot? I'm not saying Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: I'm saying do they need a slot receiver like Cole Beasley?
Speaker 1: Kind of a chain mover slot receiver to go to
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Speaker 1: Do the Cowboys need a slot receiver or could they
Speaker 1: use a slot receiver like a Cole Beasley type UM
Speaker 1: or in this offense? Would you rather see them use
Speaker 1: what they I mean they've got can I get in
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb he can play in the slot. You can
Speaker 1: draft guys that can can get Reversto can play inside outside.
Speaker 1: I need to play somebody to can play, and preferably
Speaker 1: somebody to can do maybe all three um and not
Speaker 1: just so you would pervide somebody in there. Because Cole
Speaker 1: Is is slotted as a yeah, and he is, even
Speaker 1: though he doesn't think he is. It's hard to see
Speaker 1: him on the outside. I mean he'll get lost downfield
Speaker 1: for the quarterback. Don't ask any questions, Just don't ask
Speaker 1: him any And did do is Dalton Schultz kind of
Speaker 1: fill that role a little bit? Yeah, As far as
Speaker 1: a chain mover, there isn't no doubt. Right, So of
Speaker 1: course they had Witten too with Colby's I was reading
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff and I found if you wanted
Speaker 1: a slot guy, one of the guys that came up
Speaker 1: could be available. I don't know if it's first or second,
Speaker 1: but the guy from Western Michigan, sky Moore, he's five
Speaker 1: nine one milk too short. Yes, first, so that's my
Speaker 1: question because because that's why they need some big, physical
Speaker 1: white receivers. That was our problem last year. I fuss
Speaker 1: about it all the time, getting pressure with the fore
Speaker 1: man rush. They started sitting down on our routes, sitting
Speaker 1: down on the short routes. Oh, just coming up and
Speaker 1: jamming us at the line of Squimmas takes away all
Speaker 1: all the timing that you're gonna have in this type
Speaker 1: of office. If you can't hold off a four man rush,
Speaker 1: Chris Beam, you couldn't show us Drake London. You couldn't
Speaker 1: show show Everson, Drake London. If you get a chance,
Speaker 1: you couldn't. You couldn't get off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 1: You need receivers that can fight their way through that
Speaker 1: jam and still keep the timing with their quart Okay,
Speaker 1: how about this guy, North Dakota State, Christian Watson. I
Speaker 1: love him, he loves He is six four and ran
Speaker 1: a four three six at the combine. Wow, uh any average?
Speaker 1: Now again it's North Dakota State. Okay, but I know
Speaker 1: you you probably are not going to diminish that. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not with my playing. He had he averaged twenty
Speaker 1: point four yards per catch. And the last that's our man.
Speaker 1: That's Christian Watson. Right, there's Watson, you know who. He
Speaker 1: reminds me of Jordy Nelson. I saw a note on
Speaker 1: him and it pointed out that Cooper Cup was the
Speaker 1: last FCS wide receiver taken in the top seventy five
Speaker 1: of a draft, and this guy might be the next one.
Speaker 1: We're for those of you not watching, we are watching
Speaker 1: Christian Watson right now. Some some footage of him. I
Speaker 1: love London a little bit more in Christian Watson. Here
Speaker 1: Watson four three six A one four five ten yards split,
Speaker 1: which is which is incredible? One third five forty five
Speaker 1: ten yards spot, just getting thirty stands, thirty eight thirty
Speaker 1: eight and a half vertical eleven four did you say?
Speaker 1: Eleven four broad jump? Is cone? Drill? Was sub seven
Speaker 1: eleven four broad that's right. And he had eighteen bench
Speaker 1: reps too, so he's a strong guy. Also, so he
Speaker 1: is six four two o eight. I went back and
Speaker 1: looked football player. Yeah, and he's got an explosion. I
Speaker 1: mean that's what those measurables tell you right there. So
Speaker 1: how about this one? And I think this was in
Speaker 1: his career there he had four touchdowns of at least
Speaker 1: sixty five yards or more. So he was running by
Speaker 1: people right running by him. After another debot, he could
Speaker 1: be running through him like debo. Yeah. And so Jordy
Speaker 1: Nelson six he came out. He was six three two
Speaker 1: seventeen at the combine. And so this Christian Watson six
Speaker 1: four two eight and Nelson ran a four five one.
Speaker 1: Watson's faster at four three to six. Nelson's ten yards
Speaker 1: split was one fifty, which is still blazing. It's just
Speaker 1: the same if you if you think of Jordy Nelson
Speaker 1: back at Kansas State he beat Texas with in the
Speaker 1: punt return game. He was a lot of the same
Speaker 1: type stuff that Christian and Watson does. Here, what's the
Speaker 1: kid's name in Pittsburgh, See the one that held the
Speaker 1: ball too long when they were trying to complete a
Speaker 1: drive a touchdown. Here, you're talking Steelers, Steelers, Yes, eleven Claypool,
Speaker 1: Chase Claypool. That's what reminds me. Yeah, Yeah, that's really
Speaker 1: reminds Yeah, same speed, same size, yep. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what I see when when I see him. All Right,
Speaker 1: Drake London, Uh, you're talking about a big guy who
Speaker 1: can Here you go, here's here's your Drake London. Right here,
Speaker 1: there were fifteen for your Southern cow Trojans. Now that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys will consider themselves very fortunate if Drake London
Speaker 1: is still there at twenty four. There's a lot of people,
Speaker 1: including me, who have him right at the top of
Speaker 1: the wide receiver ranking him and Garrett Wilson, Ohio State. Um,
Speaker 1: glad you asked. I'm glad you asked. Okay. Now, he
Speaker 1: did not run a forty okay, And that's the knock
Speaker 1: against him is his long speed. And he had a
Speaker 1: personal pro day just last week and he opted not
Speaker 1: to do any of those measurables. He didn't mean. He
Speaker 1: is six four six yeah, six four two nineteen okay
Speaker 1: is his size. These are the numbers that should impress you.
Speaker 1: In eight games last year, guess how many catches he
Speaker 1: had in eight games eight games total, eight games total
Speaker 1: last year. Guess how many he had a fractured right ankle.
Speaker 1: And so that's why he only played few games. Thirty
Speaker 1: two catches and eight I was gonna say forty if
Speaker 1: that was right, Okay, go ahead, eighty eight? Oh no, Wow,
Speaker 1: he had eighty eight catches in eight games, yes, for
Speaker 1: over a thousand yards. Uh seven touchdowns. The year before
Speaker 1: six games thirty three catches. In the year before that,
Speaker 1: thirteen games, nine starts, he had ninety three catches. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a highly productive guy. Here, get this about him.
Speaker 1: Basketball player too the top. He's Mike Evans. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: Mike Evans. He played for the sc basketball team after
Speaker 1: his freshman year playing football. Yeah, okay. He averaged on
Speaker 1: his high school basketball team. He averaged twenty nine points
Speaker 1: in twelve rebounds a game for more Park, which is
Speaker 1: a big school in California, of course. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: on the way to Thousand Oaks. Yea, all right, next
Speaker 1: to all state football ambass So he's not gonna be
Speaker 1: there that you wouldn't think, although there's some who got
Speaker 1: him mocked, do you know. And here, and here's the
Speaker 1: bad part for the Cowboys on these wide receivers in
Speaker 1: the first round. There's too many teams ahead of them
Speaker 1: that need wide receivers and a lot of these guys
Speaker 1: are going to be gone. So that's why I was
Speaker 1: looking at that Watson guy. And yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: he'll he may be gone by fifty six, with the
Speaker 1: Cowboys picking get him around second. Yeah. And so that's
Speaker 1: why when people say, well, twenty four is too high
Speaker 1: to draft him, Well, if that if that's the player
Speaker 1: you want, right and he's not gonna be there at
Speaker 1: fifty six, then twenty four is not too high to
Speaker 1: draft him. Well do you remember the grief the Cowboys
Speaker 1: got when they took Travis Frederick at the end of
Speaker 1: the first round. Well, that's taking him. You could have
Speaker 1: got him in the second or a third and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: how do you know that? Five Pro Bowls later? Yeah,
Speaker 1: and still bemoaning the fact that he decided to retire,
Speaker 1: by the way, which is why we're in the predicament
Speaker 1: we're in right now. Yeah. So anyway, I still have
Speaker 1: hope for Tyler Beotish. You got to remember that was
Speaker 1: his first year to start in the NFL. First year
Speaker 1: so because he played, he started I think it was
Speaker 1: four games as a rookie. It didn't play portally, but
Speaker 1: they decided to keep continuity after he got hurt and
Speaker 1: the little Joe Looney in there, and I think that
Speaker 1: a lot of people are thinking, okay, would be Oddish
Speaker 1: who was a week link because as they were using
Speaker 1: in preseason Connor Williams at center, and that was a
Speaker 1: failed experience. He never couldn't snap the ball. But the reason,
Speaker 1: but the main reason that they were playing Connor Williams
Speaker 1: at center in the preseason was in case they had
Speaker 1: an injury to Tyler Bodis. They wanted to see where
Speaker 1: they were could Connor Williams the back They figured out
Speaker 1: that no, that is not an option for Connor william
Speaker 1: I bought Beiodis went down for him to slide over him.
Speaker 1: And if Connor Williams could do that, that would open
Speaker 1: up the guard spot for Connor McGovern who got the
Speaker 1: opportunity and didn't really did not. Now having said that, okay,
Speaker 1: Mark Stepnowski was not Mark Snipnowski in nineteen eighty nine
Speaker 1: when they drafted him in the third round, by the way,
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't get good until about ninety one,
Speaker 1: and he didn't hardly play in Remember they switched towards
Speaker 1: the end of the year. Tom Rafferty, they knew he
Speaker 1: was done, but he started. I met ten eleven games
Speaker 1: that year before they put step in. Um So I
Speaker 1: just think there's something there would would be idish that
Speaker 1: the center position is not as important as the guard position.
Speaker 1: And I think you still can get a guard in
Speaker 1: the second round or in the late in the first
Speaker 1: you gotta trade. I still say you can get a good,
Speaker 1: very good wide receiver in free agency, and you can
Speaker 1: push that wide receiver drafting down the line. You can
Speaker 1: kick that can down the line if you have the
Speaker 1: money to pay for it. Right and after May, we'll know, see,
Speaker 1: And that's where I right, what they're as will see.
Speaker 1: That's why why I think the best player available is
Speaker 1: the route exactly, because I think you can go across
Speaker 1: the board at every piece you want to eliminate. You
Speaker 1: want to eliminate a position in the first round, probably
Speaker 1: not taking a quarterback, right, probably not taking a running back.
Speaker 1: Tight end, well, the tight end is based on what's
Speaker 1: out there, and these guys don't. These prospects although there are.
Speaker 1: It's a deep tight end right there are. There's not
Speaker 1: much difference in about the top five or six guys
Speaker 1: right in my opinion, and they're they're gonna be so
Speaker 1: you're probably not. They're gonna start going off the board
Speaker 1: mid to late second. But look on look at defense
Speaker 1: and tackle one of those monsters from Georgia's available linebackers. Linebackers,
Speaker 1: we talk cornerback every right, Yes, yes, got be someone's
Speaker 1: gotta be there, right, and so as long as you
Speaker 1: don't reach and jump over what your board is showing, right,
Speaker 1: and and so in the case of because a lot
Speaker 1: of people are mocking one of these guards to the
Speaker 1: Cowboys at twenty four Kenyan Green from Texas A and
Speaker 1: the Embers and Johnson from Boston College, I think that
Speaker 1: at the Cowboys, if they're going to take one of
Speaker 1: those guards in the first round, then they are projecting
Speaker 1: that in my opinion, any player that you're taking in
Speaker 1: the first round in this draft, because I think this
Speaker 1: is a deep draft where you can get Pro Bowl
Speaker 1: type player in the first round, you're projecting that that
Speaker 1: player is going to be a Pro Bowl player and
Speaker 1: you're going to want to sign him to a second contract.
Speaker 1: Any better be able to play tackle in mine? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: my book go for that too. But if if am
Speaker 1: I getting greedy, but if yeah, you are, but you
Speaker 1: would you would take Zack Martin or Travis Frederick at
Speaker 1: twenty four. Yeah, but they knew by the way, they
Speaker 1: knew Zach Martin could play tackle. He played tackle at
Speaker 1: in order dame right and and and stop me. I
Speaker 1: think I told this story just recently that in the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl that year, he was the only guy that
Speaker 1: could block Aaron Donald, and Aaron Donald was the only
Speaker 1: guy that could get buys Zach Martin. It was a
Speaker 1: great show in those practices, believe me, and and both
Speaker 1: of them, and they got close to Donald right. Donald
Speaker 1: went thirteen. So they sat there at sixteen because they
Speaker 1: thought they were going to get one of those defensive guys.
Speaker 1: Donald went thirteen and Ryan Shazier went fifteen. Pittsburgh took
Speaker 1: him right before him. Otherwise the Cowboys probably were going
Speaker 1: to take him. That's why this whole debate about Johnny
Speaker 1: Manziel was just ridiculous. They weren't gonna take Johnny Manziel,
Speaker 1: and they said, Okay, we'll just settle. We'll settle for
Speaker 1: Zach Martin. Well, I'm gonna grasp at straws once again.
Speaker 1: So did you see any offensive guard that was performing
Speaker 1: the way Zach Martin performed when he came out? Did
Speaker 1: you see any guard that's worth draft? Yeah? That draft
Speaker 1: or this this draft, because you're comparing you know, Zach Martin.
Speaker 1: You right, he's first first round, you know, capable. So
Speaker 1: what about no, No, there's not there's not a home,
Speaker 1: there's not a Hall of famers out there. And I
Speaker 1: keep reading about these guys and strength, weaknesses, what they are,
Speaker 1: and again I just couldn't get over Stephen Jones putting
Speaker 1: out how hard it is these days to project offensive
Speaker 1: linemen from coming from college how they're going to play
Speaker 1: in the NFL because the college game is so different. Right,
Speaker 1: they know they're pass blocking right, right, and when they
Speaker 1: run it's usually run option. They're running from shot blocking
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, And so it's a different game in the NFL.
Speaker 1: And he's pointed out it's hard to project the offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: and he's right, So what about the defensive lineman? They're
Speaker 1: always looking for rush? So do they have to be
Speaker 1: you know, more discerning about how they play the run?
Speaker 1: And I think that's got to be something when you
Speaker 1: look at defensive ends, because when we talk defensive ends,
Speaker 1: it's always well, these are his sacks or these are
Speaker 1: his prussures. Okay, what happens? That's because that's all he
Speaker 1: has to do? What if they run at him? Can
Speaker 1: he set the edge? You know? And that's what I
Speaker 1: noticed about Dante Fowler by the way he he was
Speaker 1: playing three four defenses, and he doesn't look to me
Speaker 1: to be a three four defensive end. He's a four
Speaker 1: three defensive end. He's certainly not a for three four
Speaker 1: defensive end. He'd be a three four outside linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I meant. That's what I meant outside linebacker, right,
Speaker 1: And you know that would be like saying, Okay, we're
Speaker 1: gonna move to Marcus Lawrence to linebacker in a three four.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna work well, but you know, you're in
Speaker 1: nickel seventy percent right time, right, and those three four
Speaker 1: teams they're they're they're rushing four, you know, and so
Speaker 1: the is he is he stand up rusher even in
Speaker 1: their in their nickel. Like for instance, Everson Griffin when
Speaker 1: he came here, you know, he'd been in at fourty
Speaker 1: three in Minnesota with a hand on the ground and
Speaker 1: he could not adapt to uh, standing in rushing the
Speaker 1: passer here. Um so um. You know to that point, though,
Speaker 1: like on Jordan Davis, as far as the defensive lineman
Speaker 1: who can defend the run, you know, Jordan Davis, he
Speaker 1: is a monster at doing what he can do, but
Speaker 1: he's not a He's not a guy that will get
Speaker 1: to the quarterback a lot, right, But I think as
Speaker 1: far as Uh as shutting down his area of the field,
Speaker 1: whether it's the run game or pushing the pocket, you know,
Speaker 1: then yeah, it's great. And so it's going to be
Speaker 1: very interesting to see where he goes because he doesn't
Speaker 1: have the ability to really to sack the quarterback Devant
Speaker 1: Wyatt does. But there's some kind of same there's there's
Speaker 1: some things in his game that that uh, you know
Speaker 1: where he could slide also, right, and he's not I
Speaker 1: don't think DeVante Watt, And he's not Gerald McCoy, you know, right,
Speaker 1: who was a third pick in the draft or Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald And neither one of those guys are in Doma
Speaker 1: Kung Sue. You know it was a second pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. Yeah, yeah, that's right. And so yeah, we
Speaker 1: can look at you can you can see on YouTube
Speaker 1: some great plays and dominating plays, but are they doing
Speaker 1: it on a consistent basis The big like with Jordan Davis,
Speaker 1: when you look at Georgia, he was only on the
Speaker 1: field first and second down. They took him off the field.
Speaker 1: In fact, the Georgia front seven guys. They were rotating
Speaker 1: all those guys in And so Jordan Davis is only
Speaker 1: playing like twenty snaps a game in college at Georgia.
Speaker 1: And so do you want to spend a first round
Speaker 1: draft pick on a guy now at twenty four it's
Speaker 1: a little bit different. But but will a team at
Speaker 1: fourteen want to spend a first round they're fourteen pick
Speaker 1: in the draft on a guy who you have to
Speaker 1: take off the field? Well, I don't know. We don't
Speaker 1: know that that they're gonna have to project that with
Speaker 1: him because they haven't seen it in college with him
Speaker 1: that he can play that many snaps at that largest size.
Speaker 1: But based on his measurables and four seven eight, yeah
Speaker 1: he can, But how long can he sustain it at
Speaker 1: that size? You know? So all right, what about the
Speaker 1: guy from Alabama? But tackle? Um, I mean he's he's
Speaker 1: he's a guy that a lot of people like. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a whole bunch of them. I see.
Speaker 1: Here's here's what happens with that position. Though, when the
Speaker 1: Cowboys start looking at the value of that position compared
Speaker 1: to something else, you'll say, okay, defensive tackles second third round. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I want somebody it's gonna either. I would
Speaker 1: imagine they put a priority at defensive end more than
Speaker 1: they do defense. It's outside in right in the same
Speaker 1: thing with wide receiver compared to guard. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just the nobody for a SAP anymore. Nobody's looking forward. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are there are exceptions to every run. Yes, you
Speaker 1: know Aaron Donald was an exception. You know, if you
Speaker 1: draft again with that draft and Aaron Donald's going up there,
Speaker 1: that he's top ten, right, if not top five? Right,
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Speaker 1: All right, Um, how would you like a Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: in this draft? Would you like it? Yeah? Would you
Speaker 1: like Darren Woodson? Especially if you get him in the
Speaker 1: second round. This guy might be your second round draft pick.
Speaker 1: The other night, I fell in love with a player
Speaker 1: from Maryland. He is a safety by the name of
Speaker 1: Nick Cross. He is we have some video. I don't
Speaker 1: know that we do have video of him, but he's
Speaker 1: from Maryland. He is the youngest player in this draft.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty years old. He'll turn twenty one on
Speaker 1: September tenth. And this guy reminds me of Darren Woodson's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a smart guy, and that's a big everything. I'm
Speaker 1: big on makeup. I'm big on a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: because I don't Half the time, I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at when I'm looking at tape, you know,
Speaker 1: But I can't. I do know what I'm looking at
Speaker 1: when I see an interview, or I see what a
Speaker 1: guy means to his team and what his teammates and
Speaker 1: coaches say about him, and he aces that test. But
Speaker 1: check out the numbers here, all right. Here's the other thing,
Speaker 1: him being twenty years old. Safety he graduated safety strong
Speaker 1: can be either one, either one graduating, right. Uh, he
Speaker 1: was at Maryland for three years and I have marked
Speaker 1: down whether he graduated or not. I don't have it
Speaker 1: marked down. But anyway, all right, he is six foot
Speaker 1: two hundred and twelve pounds. They probably mark against him
Speaker 1: because he's only six foot tall. Okay, but he didn't
Speaker 1: look like he's only six foot tall. In the field,
Speaker 1: ran a four three four with a one four to
Speaker 1: six split. Love that four three four four three four okay, okay,
Speaker 1: four three four at two hundred twelve pounds. He must
Speaker 1: have bad hands, because somebody would have made up a
Speaker 1: wide receiver all right, with a one four six split okay,
Speaker 1: thirty seven vertical and a ten ten broad jump okay,
Speaker 1: nice a cone drill of six to eighty five, which
Speaker 1: is phenomenal. Okay, now tell me how he played twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one un bench reps. Strong, not mad. I love
Speaker 1: the way he plays football and if you look at him,
Speaker 1: the way he diagnoses plays. He is a student of
Speaker 1: the game. This is what I love the most about him.
Speaker 1: If if you hear him talk, he talks about I
Speaker 1: went back. There was a video that was done on
Speaker 1: him in high school. He didn't start playing football until
Speaker 1: his freshman year in high school. His dad wouldn't let
Speaker 1: him play, but he always He dream was growing up
Speaker 1: was to be a Hall of Fame football player. But well,
Speaker 1: he puts in the work. Um as high school coach
Speaker 1: Elijah Brooks, who also became a he was hired at
Speaker 1: Maryland as an assistant. That's how he gets some of
Speaker 1: these players. He calls him maniacal about preparation. Um Mike Locksley,
Speaker 1: his head coach at Maryland. He has the ability with
Speaker 1: his speed and athleticism to really impact the game. Okay,
Speaker 1: but when The thing that I was most impressed with
Speaker 1: with him was if you'll he would be playing a
Speaker 1: high safety and he covers so much ground, whether it's
Speaker 1: going backwards or forwards, and he Now, there are times
Speaker 1: where he would misread a play, but I think that
Speaker 1: can be coached out of a bad age twenty where
Speaker 1: he would aggressively come up on and then a double
Speaker 1: move would someone would get by, and so you'll you'll
Speaker 1: find criticism for him for that whatever. But there are
Speaker 1: times where he would be as a high safety and
Speaker 1: there would be a misdrection backside a flare pass out
Speaker 1: to a running back and this guy closes so fast
Speaker 1: and he's really the only line of defense and he
Speaker 1: would stop him for a no gain or a loss.
Speaker 1: Well was the guy's name again, Nick Cross is his name,
Speaker 1: and again he looks like Darren Woodson. He's got numbers
Speaker 1: like Darren Woodson. And anyway, he is my guy. Um,
Speaker 1: so there you going second round third. I'm not sure that.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he's gonna be there at fifty six. Really, yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, you have to use one of them fifth
Speaker 1: round draft choices to move up. Yeah, And it'd be
Speaker 1: like Sean Lee in twenty ten, where the Cowboys used
Speaker 1: a later pick and moved up five spots to get
Speaker 1: the guy that they wanted whatever and so could be
Speaker 1: one of them. I have to say this, uh, not
Speaker 1: once as Bill ever referred to a great cornerback and said,
Speaker 1: you know it kind of minds you've ever had, Not
Speaker 1: once as he said, yeah, you know, no, there's only one.
Speaker 1: You want to go first round with that guy, you know,
Speaker 1: if you got our sky More guy. Okay, on NFL network,
Speaker 1: so no one else could look bicky, well can if
Speaker 1: they're watching NFL networker Now he's gonna being an interview now.
Speaker 1: But my point also on Nick Cross is okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe they don't have as much of a need right
Speaker 1: now for a safety, although I think we've any year
Speaker 1: they will. And if he is, if he if if
Speaker 1: I am right in my more importantly, if Cowboys scouts
Speaker 1: are right in their assessment of a player and this
Speaker 1: guy is as good as they think he is, then
Speaker 1: he's going to get on the field. My question would be,
Speaker 1: first of all, how his hips? Darren? What's that great hips?
Speaker 1: What he looks like he can turn and go? He
Speaker 1: could play? He did turning to go. I'm saying that cross. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: looks like because you're talking about covering the slot with
Speaker 1: that speed you're talking and with that speed you got hips.
Speaker 1: I know, guy with that kind of speed, then you're
Speaker 1: talking about somebody that can actually when when he played
Speaker 1: the slot, you know he it wasn't a shutdown type
Speaker 1: of thing, but he could stay in position long enough
Speaker 1: to where just messed up timing. All right. He is
Speaker 1: not Darren Woodson. Okay, he just looks like Darren, but
Speaker 1: he's not Darren Woodson. He cannot cover Jerry Rice right right. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not shell as Jerry Rice right now. I may
Speaker 1: not be able to cover Jerry Rice right now. But
Speaker 1: he could be Brian Dawkins. And if you oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: and if you yeah, he could be Steve Atwater. Oh
Speaker 1: even even worse. That's two of them all right then,
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot, Bill, Thanks a lot, Bill. And Darren
Speaker 1: Woodson would second those motions. I second them for him,
Speaker 1: yes as well, goes guys, thank you? All right? What
Speaker 1: else is on your legal pad? There? Um? I just
Speaker 1: run across something. Oh no, you're gonna have to oh,
Speaker 1: I know. So we talked about all these positions right,
Speaker 1: they gotta do something kicker. And here's my list of kickers.
Speaker 1: It's like a half a page and there's there's only
Speaker 1: three names. Yeah, and those were the those were the
Speaker 1: free agents. The other half was the rookies yea. And
Speaker 1: there was really only three names on it. So they
Speaker 1: got to come up with something because mine hard to
Speaker 1: find the freaking kicker man free agent kicker. They're all
Speaker 1: guys that are retreads Cincinnati. That's what I talked about,
Speaker 1: that he was a rookie, right, Okay, but was that go?
Speaker 1: I mean to what you could see him doing? What?
Speaker 1: He was good enough that he was a fifth round
Speaker 1: draft pick? Yeah, so they liked that. That's you the
Speaker 1: first round for kickers. Yeah, that's right. That's cut offline,
Speaker 1: right unless you're Janetkowski. Uh and that doesn't happen anymore anyway. Right.
Speaker 1: So then, so, I mean, but you gotta find some
Speaker 1: incidents where you've got the kicker that came out and
Speaker 1: nobody thought he'd be that good and the guy end
Speaker 1: up being good. What about what about Blake Fuss? Was
Speaker 1: it Blake the kicker that came from Oklhomia State Fuss? Bailey?
Speaker 1: Was Bailey that good at Oklahoma State. I think he
Speaker 1: was good. Well, you knew he would be that good
Speaker 1: in in the pro. Hey, we didn't know two weeks
Speaker 1: before the first game is rookie year that he was
Speaker 1: gonna make this team. I remember bring out at at
Speaker 1: NT Stadium and the Cowboys had an open practice that
Speaker 1: day and uh, and you know at the certain times
Speaker 1: during the practice, you've got the kickers kicking three or
Speaker 1: four in a row. And I remember I may have
Speaker 1: been sitting standing next to you micause that the day
Speaker 1: he had he had a bad day. This was actually
Speaker 1: a day. It was just after his bad day. And
Speaker 1: he came back, and he came back, and I'm like
Speaker 1: it was the most important moment of that practice was
Speaker 1: whether Dan Bailey could get his act back together and
Speaker 1: be able to nail right three or four kicks in
Speaker 1: a row. And he did, and he did. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and but but as Bill said, I remember, and it
Speaker 1: would have been I don't know if it was during
Speaker 1: that season or the next season, talking to Chris Bonial
Speaker 1: and it I believe it was. It was either as
Speaker 1: first or second year as an assistant coach for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and he and Joe Um the special team's coach Camillis.
Speaker 1: They put their h on the line for Bonial and
Speaker 1: and I and I remember Bonial telling me he goes.
Speaker 1: I was more nervous than he was because I put
Speaker 1: my job on the line because I said that's the
Speaker 1: guy we should go, because remember they kept bringing in
Speaker 1: all these veteran guys. They were going through guys and
Speaker 1: and and Bonial said, no, this is the guy. And
Speaker 1: he turned out to be the guy. But he was
Speaker 1: pretty good at Oklahoma State, but then he seemed to
Speaker 1: have a letdown. Uh as he came to training camp though. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was just good until that one day that Bill
Speaker 1: pointed out we were in San Antonio. Maybe I can't
Speaker 1: remember who luxonarder san Antonio. I just remember he had
Speaker 1: a bad day and then they let him kick in
Speaker 1: the last preseason game and then decided to go with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah so much. One of these kickers, do you like?
Speaker 1: The two that jumped out to me were Kade York
Speaker 1: and Lsu and Prosper and Prosper and then uh Dicker,
Speaker 1: the kicker from UT. But you never know when there's
Speaker 1: a free agent out there that no one knows about, right,
Speaker 1: college free agent? College free Yeah, like a young guy
Speaker 1: or maybe I mean that kicked somebody needs to know
Speaker 1: about him. And yeah, I guarantee you there's some if
Speaker 1: not multiple people, uh, in that scouting department. Something got somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you can find the renegade kicker easily. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: when I say renegade someone you know like worst the
Speaker 1: free agency to where he comes out of nowhere. You
Speaker 1: know you can have maybe try it out, try it
Speaker 1: out at Texas Stadium. You never know, ye, that that's
Speaker 1: your best free agent tryout, right, But did you ever
Speaker 1: go out there for he now to look at it? No,
Speaker 1: it was an insult to me as a free agent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so funny. Would you have to pay? Like when
Speaker 1: I made the team, there were so many guys who
Speaker 1: have been out of the league for like three years
Speaker 1: that said, oh, if everything can do it, then maybe
Speaker 1: I can come back. I have so many guys calling me, Hey,
Speaker 1: can you help me get in the league? No, man,
Speaker 1: you've been out the league for six years. Man, all right,
Speaker 1: I don't My wife will tell me. I don't listen
Speaker 1: very well, and I did not listen very well earlier
Speaker 1: this show. Apparently we've got a caller on the line.
Speaker 1: And even though we're passed that, we're going to take
Speaker 1: this caller who perseverance? Yes, thanks forces, who do we have?
Speaker 1: This is Bob from the Nationale. Hello Bob, how are you? Bob? Hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for taking my call. I know it's the end
Speaker 1: of the show. And hey, um, I remember a really
Speaker 1: great cornerback, Everson Wall, So shout out to you, buddy.
Speaker 1: Hey real quick. I know offensive line is the is
Speaker 1: a big priority, but I still am a big proponent
Speaker 1: of another stud linebacker. I mean, look what the impact
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons had on our team, and I think another
Speaker 1: stud linebacker going in the second round could really really
Speaker 1: shore up our defense. And then, of course, I know
Speaker 1: we have all these other needs, but those are the
Speaker 1: two that I really think offensive line and another stud linebacker,
Speaker 1: and I think that can really help us out. Thanks
Speaker 1: for let me take the call. Guys, all that's on
Speaker 1: our list. I've got no problem me neither, even to
Speaker 1: a stud linebacker. I mean, we talked about the guy
Speaker 1: from Georgia, the Kobe Deane, and there was another one,
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd from Utah. Is maybe that was him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta look at Devin Lloyd. I mean, if and
Speaker 1: I was big on the Kobe Dean too, and I
Speaker 1: like both of them, and NA Kobe Dean is more
Speaker 1: of a guy who can And this is not a
Speaker 1: knock on him at all. He's not athletically the same
Speaker 1: player that Devin Lloyd is, but I mean he can
Speaker 1: read uh plays and read and react as good as anybody,
Speaker 1: and he's got all of those um intangibles that you're
Speaker 1: looking for. But Devin Lloyd is a play maker. And
Speaker 1: in fourteen games at Utah this year, consensus All American
Speaker 1: had twenty two tackles for loss at eight sacks, four
Speaker 1: interceptions to run back for touchdowns. I mean, but you
Speaker 1: just look at him. He is athletically he ran a
Speaker 1: four six twenty five bench reps ten six broad jump
Speaker 1: and I just have written out next to him. Wow,
Speaker 1: great players see. And and there's there's an assumption going
Speaker 1: on at linebacker right now. Right you mentioned h you
Speaker 1: know KZ, but Kean O'Neill they decided that they weren't
Speaker 1: going to bring him back and that we'll cover ourselves
Speaker 1: with Jabril Cox. Jabral Cox didn't play last year, right,
Speaker 1: and he's coming off in ACL and you're gonna assume
Speaker 1: and he was at LSU for one year, if he
Speaker 1: played at North Dakota State for three years, right, and
Speaker 1: you're assuming that he's going to step in and take
Speaker 1: that spot that Neil played, Right, that's a big assumption.
Speaker 1: So there's an unknown there. Uh. And the Lloyd can do.
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at him. They rush him off
Speaker 1: the edge a little bit. I mean, I tell you
Speaker 1: got a little a lot of those taxes. If you
Speaker 1: had two of those guys, two of those guys that
Speaker 1: you don't know which one's gonna line up, who's lining
Speaker 1: up where, and and who's in the middle, and who's
Speaker 1: on the outside, or can one of them go to
Speaker 1: defensive end or I can line up at defensive end
Speaker 1: and drop off I would I think if if Devin
Speaker 1: Lloyd is there at twenty four, I would rush that
Speaker 1: card and go running up there. I'm looking at videos now,
Speaker 1: you're watching Devin Lloyd. Yeah, I look at that right now.
Speaker 1: This guy's huge too, Huh. He's kind of fenn to
Speaker 1: be inside. He looks a little lean to be inside.
Speaker 1: You know. Sometimes young sometimes you want that and a
Speaker 1: young player, they're all they're not none of them are
Speaker 1: gonna lose weight, right, You know that's right. Which, by
Speaker 1: the way, I heard that Connor mcgovernn put on some muscle,
Speaker 1: some weight, uh in the off season. So we'll see
Speaker 1: what it's there. Lloyd, Devin Lloyd is listed as six
Speaker 1: two and three quarters inches tall, so sixty three two
Speaker 1: thirty seven. Now, Nakobe Dean is only five eleven two
Speaker 1: twenty nine. What do we have there on the screen?
Speaker 1: They it's probably the Utah guy. Yeah, Lloyd, it is
Speaker 1: Devin Lloyd. Yeah, yeah, number zero, number zero. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: zeroed out. That guy. Very articulous bags. I like that
Speaker 1: very good. And by the way, are both very articulate
Speaker 1: themselves too, Yeah, which is all part of that makeup.
Speaker 1: I look for these players. What are you trying to say?
Speaker 1: I would have I would have drafted Everson Walls. Thank you,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. See, that's the first time we
Speaker 1: need to make a habit of that. That's the only
Speaker 1: case if someone's ever made about me getting drafted, that's
Speaker 1: the only case, just based on his interview alone, care
Speaker 1: about the full eight for us? Come on, all right,
Speaker 1: I think we're out of time. We're pastime, way pastime
Speaker 1: pastime here, all right, But we are going to be
Speaker 1: on next Thursday. Yes, as a pre draft pre that's
Speaker 1: a definite thing. And Bill will tell you who the
Speaker 1: Cowboys are gonna draft. That's right, Thursday, big green notebook
Speaker 1: by twelve You not just soo they'll draft to the
Speaker 1: first round, but every other round, every other round? Huh
Speaker 1: all my trade downs? Every other round? Does that mean
Speaker 1: the first we're gonna have. We got nine draft picks
Speaker 1: right now, we're gonna have fourteen by next Thursday. Okay,
Speaker 1: trades that I'm gonna have, We're gonna trade down and
Speaker 1: pick up whatever. Al Right, great time of the year. Yes,
Speaker 1: got a big green notebook and everyone has just glad
Speaker 1: it's here. That's all all right, I'll be glad it's over.
Speaker 1: I'll start getting some sleep, all right. That doesn't for
Speaker 1: mick shots. We'll talk at you again next Thursday at
Speaker 1: eleven thirty Draft Day. Oh, forgot to tell you guys.
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