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Speaker 2: Celebrity poof Club.

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Speaker 3: Come read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 4: Celebrity poof Club, Tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No boys are loud. Celet book say it loud and poud.

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Speaker 1: Celebrity Book Club. Buzz me in.

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Speaker 2: I brought the queer vow.

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Speaker 1: Hey, best friend, good morning, good evening, and good night

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Speaker 1: Liliana Marotta.

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Speaker 2: Good morning Switzerland.

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Speaker 1: It is so good to see you here in Mintown today.

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Speaker 5: Oh, it's so good to see you in these cold months.

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Speaker 5: It's so good to gather with Frans sometimes like this.

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Speaker 1: I love now more than ever.

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Speaker 2: Now, more than ever, I've come together.

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Speaker 1: Getting together with my good, good and old friends. Yes

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Speaker 1: from the past, if you will.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, some friends who have reappeared, if you will.

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Speaker 1: So we decided that we would read such a beautiful

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Speaker 1: historical exploration of a book today, and we thought what

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Speaker 2: Journey with to weigh in on us history.

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Speaker 1: Right than someone from our past, right, our history. Yes,

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Speaker 1: someone who's been there with us on so many carriage rides.

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Speaker 5: Yes, was Abraham Lincoln, I'll say his name. A president, yes,

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Speaker 5: but some have said maybe Mickey Blanco should be president.

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Speaker 1: Oh shit, hello, please welcome to this stage, World win Now.

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Speaker 1: Recording artist, freethinker, graduate student.

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Speaker 3: I want to Dyke for president, and I want to

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Speaker 4: President is always a clown, always a john, and never

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Speaker 5: So, Mickey, you just got off a flight from Ice

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Speaker 3: So I was in Rome.

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Speaker 4: I have been spending a lot of time in Rome

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Speaker 3: It's close to Switzerland, where you're in school. I'm in school.

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Speaker 4: I'm in grad school in Switzerland and so doing my

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Speaker 4: So I've been doing my masters. And yeah, I was

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Speaker 4: Come to New York, specifically in December, because this is

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's events season.

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Speaker 3: It's event season.

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Speaker 1: I mean this big coat season, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Layering, big coat, Like like, I just saw you in

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Speaker 2: Did you ever think we were just fresh men at essay?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's like that. It's like two dueling bet middlers.

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Speaker 5: No bisexual president Abraham Lincoln.

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Speaker 5: Look, if you're looking for a good historical documentary, cut

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Speaker 4: But I also felt like the mother dying of infected

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Speaker 4: The scholars do say that Abe was repeatedly beaten. They

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Speaker 1: It was just like on text. But yeah's small but.

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Speaker 4: And I think that's also this like cultivation of because

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Speaker 2: We'll get her, we'll get sorry not to get to

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Speaker 1: You'll get there in your mind, and he starts it

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Speaker 2: Those are like all of his letters.

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Speaker 5: He's always like I'm so embarrassed I'm even writing this,

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Speaker 2: But also if you don't respond, that's actually totally.

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Speaker 4: And what he does with Mary Owens, I think is okay,

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Speaker 3: But actually he spilled a lot of tea to Mary.

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Speaker 5: Were just like spilled he he actually gossiped so much.

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Speaker 3: And I feel in a way he really used Owens.

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Speaker 5: Oh shit, like just like as like an emotional dumpster.

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Speaker 4: I think that I think that she was kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he wanted attention.

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Speaker 5: It's also well, I think it's saying that some guys

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Speaker 3: He called her fal staff, which is a.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't, she says, he doesn't. When they're riding horses,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that that that part. Actually, No, that's like

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Speaker 2: That you should be like clop clop, like you should.

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Speaker 1: Lead from the bat. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then in one of his letters to his like

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Speaker 1: Josh was speed such a porn star name Josh Speed. Josh,

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Speaker 1: So you're going through your phone and it's like Josh Speed.

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Speaker 4: Oh right, no, but he's so talking to Josh Speed

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Speaker 1: and like, also, you're poor and you won't be able

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Speaker 5: I thought it was kind of me too, because I

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Speaker 5: thought he was gonna say she would like get too

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Speaker 1: Oh that's why she doesn't like it. I feel like

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Speaker 5: Maybe that was just me. You really shouldn't move to Springfield.

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Speaker 5: I mean, meanwhile, we almost got hit by a carriage

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Speaker 5: on seventh Aven You in fiftieth just now, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I looking for I was looking for a mis Mary Owens.

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Speaker 5: I was looking for a miniature wine and the carriage

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Speaker 1: Back and so chaster.

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Speaker 4: So after Mary Owens after first crush, rejects him. He

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Speaker 5: Months, and at that same time his law partner breaks

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Speaker 3: Yes, and Josh Speed gets married.

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Speaker 1: So Josh spied getting married. He's like, he like, I

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Speaker 5: Can I read this letter to Josh Speed to you guys,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, if you could confuse anything bring up.

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Speaker 2: We're riffing on historical words here.

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Speaker 5: So when he starts off this letter, Josh Speed has

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Speaker 5: one why is Josh Speed sudden Lincoln him?

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Speaker 1: Because they're into nature stuff, like they go on long

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Speaker 3: It's old timey stuff. But I do think, okay, how

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Speaker 4: Lincoln does not strike me as by but I think

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Speaker 4: that he was so sensitive. Yeah, I could say Lincoln

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Speaker 4: and justin getting drunk one night alone.

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Speaker 1: Not his sober, temperate ass.

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Speaker 4: Kissing, freaking out, and then of course being just like,

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Speaker 1: For in for in for in discussing the figment.

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Speaker 4: Of our prospective wives, I had missed. I had mistaken

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Speaker 4: the lace on Josh's collar for that of a dallying

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Speaker 1: No, it's okay, wait wait sorry, obsessed with your fan fiction?

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Speaker 2: You need to continue needs you to a full book

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Speaker 2: fan fiction Josh speed.

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Speaker 1: Speed Abe slash as the fan fiction community.

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Speaker 4: I told you just for just for some quick backstory,

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Speaker 4: I was I was supposed to appear on this podcast

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Speaker 4: two and a half years ago when when Steven and

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Speaker 3: And so this is this is.

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Speaker 5: Arguing, Yeah, you had a problem with your laptop supposedly Anyway,

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Speaker 5: it's so much better that you're here now for Abe

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Speaker 3: I got into this. I'm really into this.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're so right that it's like too

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's like guys on a corporate retreat in Denver,

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Speaker 5: and it's also very goop where they're just like, what's your.

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Speaker 5: And then like the knob Creek comes out and Abe

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Speaker 2: Can we have rum? And they have rum and then

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Speaker 1: Like that was the one time that Abe ever drank

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Speaker 5: No, but his thing on alcohol was he was one

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Speaker 2: Not as a sin.

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Speaker 3: Oh are you guys serious?

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Speaker 2: That's what I read.

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Speaker 5: Like because I feel like he is so honey booboo

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Speaker 5: And it's not just like oh God, you're sinning. It's

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Speaker 1: But then yeah, like soberb but fore alcohol like so

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Speaker 5: I think in olden times, what were you gonna say?

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say old times.

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of dates were just silent walks.

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Speaker 1: No. But he said it in this way that's just

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Speaker 3: I think it's todd now because what you said.

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Speaker 1: The documentary, how they said well yet I think she

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Speaker 2: He was a damn like I just came.

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Speaker 3: Well time, so just for yeah, well just for some

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Speaker 1: And the sister had a big ass wedding that the

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Speaker 5: And they were all members of the Whig Party. Me

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Speaker 5: her man, and I feel like all of her like

446
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 5: slave owning.

447
00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,560
Speaker 2: Sisters, were just kind of like, what are you doing

448
00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 2: with that ugly.

449
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 1: With a large ears, Mary? But he was actually he

450
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: started being very anti slavery early on in his career,

451
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: and he was very like, Okay, I'm vibing against this

452
00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 1: and at abolitionate. But what's I was interesting with the

453
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 1: documentary kind of showed is that it was like he

454
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 1: was more anti in it in a way that was

455
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: just like I'm anti South, I'm anti agricultural economy, and

456
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,399
Speaker 1: like I'm also maybe low key afraid of black people

457
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: coming up to the North.

458
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 4: Okay, So he was like entire okay, this, this is,

459
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,600
Speaker 4: this is like what I truly feel. I'm a black person,

460
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 4: by the way, so this is and so for those

461
00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 4: of you who don't know.

462
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 1: Podcast audio medium, I feel this.

463
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,199
Speaker 4: I think that in his soul, I think that in

464
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,359
Speaker 4: his soul he knew, okay that slavery was wrong. You know,

465
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 4: Lincoln was a legislator at twenty three, part time and

466
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,679
Speaker 4: a part time grocer and a part time grosser.

467
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 5: He's like, okay, I opened up like a little provisionary

468
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 5: and then I multa running for a council.

469
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 4: But I think it was even then when he was

470
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,680
Speaker 4: legislator at twenty three that he first I think, brought

471
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 4: up one of these like abolitionist ideals and then it

472
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,720
Speaker 4: was immediately poo pooed, And then I think.

473
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 3: That he realized he had to be like more covert. Yeah,

474
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 3: but he he did it. He did not.

475
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,160
Speaker 4: Believe that that that the blacks. He did not believe

476
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 4: that African Americans were equal. That's true.

477
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 1: No, And I think that because and I think that

478
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: as the war, like later in the war and then

479
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 1: he like freed the slaves and then like freed blacks

480
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 1: in the north like started joining the army. He was

481
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: kind of like, okay, now, like I actually think black

482
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 1: people should vote, and like I'm more into them now.

483
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 3: So get this cheek is he wanted to send us

484
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:45,440
Speaker 3: to Panama?

485
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: No, insane. So he actually so he wanted to colonize Panama.

486
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's just like, oh no, this is like getting

487
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 2: messy here. What if we all colonized Pania.

488
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: He was just like, actually, I don't think white people

489
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: and black people should be in the same country. And honestly, Panama,

490
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: it's fine that girl.

491
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 4: Well, I mean when you think about how history could

492
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 4: have changed, like in a heartbeat, it's just like it

493
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 4: actually kind of sounds fad, just just like all of

494
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 4: Black America, just like from Panama.

495
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 7: Everyone goes down to Panama.

496
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,040
Speaker 4: But okay, I think now I feel like, okay, I'm

497
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: not trying to like, you know, hijack the pod.

498
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 3: This is not okay, Okay, okaykay. Can we get into

499
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 3: fucking Marry Tom.

500
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: Let's get into Mary Todd.

501
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 1: So Mary Todd is the original BPD pussy that.

502
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: She is headache girl.

503
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,960
Speaker 5: Okay, the fact that she always has to give me

504
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 5: your credit card. I'm not going to dinner. I have

505
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 5: a headache, but I'm coming to the party. Can you

506
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 5: believe again, learning so much today that she was not

507
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,560
Speaker 5: going to go to the play where he got shot.

508
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 3: I believe it.

509
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,080
Speaker 2: And he was like, you have to go because there's

510
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 2: gonna be press well.

511
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: Way back before they even entered the White House, she

512
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 4: used to beat him. He is no, he is an

513
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:20,200
Speaker 4: abused husband. It wasn't Josh Speed, it was his partner loyal.

514
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 1: Okay, So this letter April sixteenth, eighteen forty eight, Okay,

515
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: I went yesterday to hunt the little plaid stockings as

516
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 1: you wished, but found the McKnight has quit business, and

517
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 1: Alan had not a single pair of the description you gave,

518
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: and only one plaid pair of any sort that I

519
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: thought would fit Eddie's dear little feet. So it's like

520
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: she's already giving him like the most specific instructions about stockings,

521
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: and who can tell the terror in this letter that

522
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: he's not going to find the right.

523
00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 5: Stock I will say classic couples, kind of nice intellectual

524
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,360
Speaker 5: husband who like is a little bit befuddled and then

525
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 5: like bossy fem.

526
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 4: I mean, coming from the household that he did, his background.

527
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 4: I feel like she could read him like a book,

528
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 4: you know, from miles away.

529
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 3: She knew that she could get overrun him.

530
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: He was so so passive, I mean, he was so

531
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: intimidated by her like worldliness, where he perceived to be

532
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: her worldliness, big Kentucky gala life.

533
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she was smart, you know she was.

534
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 5: She was fluent in French, right, yeah, and like she

535
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 5: was like you know, I think she was kind of

536
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 5: like a like kind of like hilarious depressed rich girl.

537
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: When she was like on fire.

538
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: I think she was so Princess Margaret and was like

539
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: being like cracking.

540
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm being a bit drunk. And that would have

541
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 2: like periods.

542
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: Of and then so in this same letter, like after

543
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: the whole Stockings debacle, first it goes, suppose you do

544
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 1: not prefix the on as in like honorable to the

545
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: address on your letters to me anymore. I like the

546
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 1: letters very much, but I would rather they not have

547
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: that upon them. So he's being so humble, Yeah, and

548
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: like conceptly just be like no, I'm not like, I'm

549
00:25:58,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: just abe, like just call me a.

550
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: But you're saying she was beating him before they were married.

551
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 3: Well, the law the law partner.

552
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,639
Speaker 4: The law partner, I believe says that you know that

553
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,520
Speaker 4: he had heard him getting like, you know, hit with

554
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 4: the sweet potato every once in a while, like.

555
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: A nice like medium hard yam and doesn't leave a

556
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: mark married hod nose. Then he goes, Are you entirely

557
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: free from headache? That is good, good, considering it is

558
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: the first spring you have been free from it since

559
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: we were acquainted. Every spring the headaches come.

560
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: Do you think she was a lesbian?

561
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:44,439
Speaker 1: I think she.

562
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 3: I think she definitely had a chemical chemical imbalance.

563
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 1: Not a lesbian, but a chemical imbalance different her I G.

564
00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 3: Profile would say in her diversions.

565
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,879
Speaker 5: It would be like Kentucky born and bred, hashtag wife

566
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 5: mother DC neurodivergent, patriot.

567
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: Patriot, wife of a mother.

568
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: Of tad r I p little gravestones next to or

569
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 1: just crosses next to all the sons who died of tea.

570
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 4: But wait a minute, no, no, no, no, but Mary was also

571
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 4: a mob wife, you guys.

572
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the thing. So she was she was

573
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 1: spending wildly when they were in the White House.

574
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,520
Speaker 6: Big air Victoria, Victoria gotdie Lincoln.

575
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: And she's like buying so many crystal chandeliers and then

576
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,159
Speaker 1: in order to finance that, like us, the Congress is

577
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: like giving her money and she's just going over to

578
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: like the Capitol.

579
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 5: I think like Straighta passed a bill that was like

580
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 5: we have to give Mary Todd like.

581
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: She's been going hammet like Zaren fabrics, like getting like

582
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,000
Speaker 1: so many new curtains in the blue room.

583
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 4: Well, think about it, Okay, so Abe is just like

584
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: fixated on winning this war. Remember the beginning, he's not winning.

585
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: It's kind of like he's not. I think before the

586
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 4: war he and Mary had, while abusive, a very kind

587
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,360
Speaker 4: of like I mean, they were in love.

588
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like.

589
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 4: They were going on so many long walks and spending

590
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 4: so much time together.

591
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: And remember and he's ravaging her full pussy with his

592
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: lanky talk. Yeah.

593
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: No, it's said in someone.

594
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 5: He was like their relationship was one of sex, politics

595
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 5: and parenthood.

596
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 3: I didn't think about him being hung.

597
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's I think it's like him.

598
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 1: I think it's long. I don't think it's the thickest

599
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: cock in Illinois.

600
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 2: That knows six inches.

601
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 1: He had big hands and big ears. Honey, what appendages?

602
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 5: What's six inches in eighteen fifty compared to now?

603
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: If you're saying six fours six.

604
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: Well, I do actually think that Dix used to be

605
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: bigger chemicals, Yeah, because they're they're smaller now. So actually

606
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: it was.

607
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: It was well smaller by what country.

608
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 1: Globally? Clinton initiative over here.

609
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I just get a Southern next smaller.

610
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: Are we talking the metric system? Well?

611
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: He also Okay, she was very good enough. But this

612
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 4: is so Chris Jenner of her. She was very good

613
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 4: at protecting him. She was very good at protecting him.

614
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,200
Speaker 3: You know.

615
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 4: They called her an influenced peddler, so people would actually,

616
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 4: this is also so Chris Jenner. She would take bribes.

617
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 4: She would take bribes. She would she would she would

618
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 4: line her pockets.

619
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: And what she was offering was like she would be like, oh,

620
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: you want me to whisper in Abe's ear that we

621
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: should promote this general or whatever on the eastern flank

622
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: or something.

623
00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 3: No, very much, that very much.

624
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: She's running the show.

625
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: She was running the show, and she was running the show.

626
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: I do wonder how much her influence actually worked. I

627
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: think like she, I mean, maybe some of those people

628
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: in their money back, you know what I mean, because

629
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: they were like, you not.

630
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 2: Rid of the show.

631
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 5: She's like totally, I can tell Abe. And then Abe

632
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 5: was like, so what's up tonight? Should we like have dinner?

633
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 5: And She's like, I have a headache, and she's like

634
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 5: not mentioning anything she's like looking straight to bed.

635
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

636
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 3: In the White House, they had a nickname for her.

637
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: They called her her Satanic Majesty, Yeah, which is which

638
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 4: is crazy. But then also, you know what, Mary Todd

639
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 4: was so ahead of their so ahead of her time.

640
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: She's still ahead of their time.

641
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 4: And it's like and it's like, well, was she a

642
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 4: monster or was she did she just know?

643
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: Did she terrified of a powerful woman?

644
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: Am I a bitch? Or do I just have opinions?

645
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I'm a sinner.

646
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 2: I will not be afraid.

647
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: Tod like putting one of those like pillows that says I,

648
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: Am I a bitch? Or do I just have an opinion?

649
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: In this bare bedroom at the White House, I think

650
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: it looks lovely.

651
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 5: Sorry, and it's like or one of those posts that

652
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 5: looks like a big pill Sorry, haven't don't be a bitch.

653
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: Jonathan Adler like throw pillow that looks like a pillow. Yeah,

654
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: she would be very Jonathan Adler.

655
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 3: She's very Jonathan Adler.

656
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: We'll get to that Jonathan Adler, Peter, he'll get to

657
00:31:13,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: the interior designs. I wanted to talk about his speeches

658
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: for a second, because he's super famous for them. Yeah,

659
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: and he had some real bangers. He goes back and forth,

660
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: like if you think about the Getysberger dress, like it's

661
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: famously very succinct for score and seven years ago, blah

662
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: blah blah. And he kind of lays out the war

663
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: like produce distinctly. But I'm also like, I feel like

664
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the time in his speeches he's like

665
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: draging on and on and being so like, as you know,

666
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: when we do start the inauguration process, it is customary

667
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: for president to say a few words, and this shall

668
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: be one of the words that I shall say. And

669
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, yeah, stop with the wind up,

670
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: you know, Like.

671
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: Well, I think this also goes back to his childhood.

672
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 5: No one ever listened to him.

673
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 2: Why else would you be president?

674
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: So he's over speaking.

675
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 3: Well, so much of his his so much.

676
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 4: Of his whole pr thing is about being a dad.

677
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 4: It's about being America's dad. It's about this stable, slow, masculine, rooted,

678
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 4: grounded energy.

679
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: And it's funny how they how people in the Republican

680
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,239
Speaker 1: Party when he was running were like depicting him as

681
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: this westerner, you know, as this man of the frontier,

682
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 1: and like he was obviously not like he was a

683
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not saying he's a fanga, but he

684
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: was an intelecture. He was a book boy. I mean

685
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: he was not doing physical labor. He like maybe chopped

686
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: one tree once. It's like he was not like his dad.

687
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 5: Was like always having him chop a tree and he's

688
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 5: like no. He also became a legislator and he's like,

689
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 5: I'm not going to war.

690
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 4: Ye.

691
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

692
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: They wanted like, like you know, he they wanted to

693
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: make him this.

694
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: They were making the posters of him chopping ye this like.

695
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: Johnny Applesy Gavin Newsome, and he was just literally.

696
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 1: Did try to make him the Johnny Applesy Gavin Newsom's.

697
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 5: I know, it's like would he because it's like now

698
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 5: he would be so sleeves rolled up, tucked in like

699
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 5: kind of Gingham shirt to jeans. But it's funny about

700
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 5: the dad thing because like, were any presidents before where we're.

701
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: Like they like, were they giving daddy vice?

702
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

703
00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 5: Like I feel like Lincoln was the first one to

704
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 5: be like, yeah, I'm a dad. I'm also a grieving

705
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 5: dad and I'm a proud dad.

706
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean putting dad in his bio.

707
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 3: I mean Thomas Jefferson was like a slutty dad.

708
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: He was a slutty dad.

709
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: Less than a lot of them had kids, for sure.

710
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: But definitely like everyone was a dad, but everyone was

711
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 5: a father, but were they dad?

712
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: I think I think you're kind of right a little bit,

713
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 1: because like people were more talking about they're just like,

714
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: I am a serious intellectual and I have all of

715
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: these credentials and I've done X, Y and Z and

716
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: putting a little bit less of their character into it.

717
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: And since Lincoln like didn't really have like experience, like

718
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: as governor or anything like that, he's like, no, like

719
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: you run a company or anything. He kind of only

720
00:33:57,840 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: had his character to talk about.

721
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: Well, I think America at this point also in the

722
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 4: hundreds of I forget how long it had been since

723
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 4: the damn Declaration of Independence, that damn, but I think

724
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 4: that America had fallen eighty years, had fallen away from

725
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: this sophisticated colonial pedigree, and I think that Lincoln was

726
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 4: very much trying to bring that back.

727
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: He does acknowledge also that the founders like basically totally

728
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: punt it on slavery, Like they knew that slavery was

729
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: going to be an issue, and they kind of just

730
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: like fudged it and like wrote the constitution so that

731
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: they basically didn't have to deal with the issue.

732
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 2: He was calling up for being cis.

733
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like they were being so sis and just

734
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: being like, you know what, and the country may expand

735
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: and maybe like somebody else will deal with that later.

736
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: But like they knew it was going to be a conflict.

737
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: But like this, the hoes forgot what the mayflower was like.

738
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: Out on a T shirt.

739
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 4: They had forgotten what it was like to catch scurvy

740
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 4: over a half a year journey, and they got a

741
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 4: little bit too comfortable in their in their homesteads.

742
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 5: Whenever I see recreations of people on boats, I'm like,

743
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:13,280
Speaker 5: the way I would have not survived that boat from Ireland.

744
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: To hear Oh yeah, you wouldn't have stopped it like

745
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: Newfoundland made it halfway.

746
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 5: No, or I would have barely been getting on to

747
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 5: Ellis Island covered in vomit.

748
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 4: I would have been like, leave me in Cuba.

749
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. I just I hate the idea.

750
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: I hate extended sea travel. Yeah.

751
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 3: Wait, well, hold.

752
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 4: On one thing that I didn't want to talk about

753
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: just super quick. That's I mean it's not off topic.

754
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 4: But there's such a relationship between Abe and Jennifer Lopez

755
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: because because because both of them are just obsessed with

756
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 4: being like, I'm real an.

757
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 1: Abe on the six the honesty an Abe, Like Abe

758
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: wears this trope out entire life. Yeah, you think it's

759
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: you think it's played. You know what else I think

760
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: is real about her? Like I'll say, like, does Jayla

761
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 1: have the most amazing voice in the industry? No? No,

762
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: but she knows that she doesn't, and she sings within

763
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: her range.

764
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 3: Yes.

765
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: This is one thing I've always admired about her. She

766
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 1: doesn't try to like go outside of a ranger and

767
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 1: do so she can't do like she does what works

768
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: for her.

769
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 5: She also doesn't drink, but still came out with an

770
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 5: alcohol beverage. People came after her and we're just like, well,

771
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 5: Jayla is supposedly I thought you didn't drink, and she

772
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: was like, Okay, I don't drink that much, but this

773
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 5: is a low ABV product.

774
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: That does taste good. And it's honestly, like, there are

775
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: people who drink a lot who I think maybe drink

776
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:37,839
Speaker 1: too much, and that's why the alcohol that they make

777
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: isn't good.

778
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 5: And Abe was so like, I'm not trying to drink

779
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 5: a lot, but he would drink a sip of champagne

780
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 5: at dinners so he wouldn't look like too lamb.

781
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 3: It's so crazy. I miss this whole hymn, like not

782
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 3: drinking thing he had.

783
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: There's a letter in here that he writes, like the

784
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: Temperance Society that's like three pages long, just being like

785
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm so proud of you guys for like having such

786
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: a banner year of temperanes.

787
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:57,279
Speaker 2: But he sends you.

788
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 5: So he sends Ulysses has Grant like a bottle of

789
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 5: whiskey when the.

790
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: War is over.

791
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: Well, and then there was he was like I love

792
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: the grand drinks getting some battles and like McClellan, yeah,

793
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: because Grant.

794
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 3: Is winning so many battles.

795
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,439
Speaker 4: And he then like sends the other generals the same

796
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 4: whiskey that.

797
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: And it's like being such a pussy.

798
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 5: It's like, okay, maybe this bottle of like bullet bourbon

799
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 5: will make you like win a battle.

800
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 3: Drink when drink what is kendles when it won?

801
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what battle Kendall's winning.

802
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 5: All your employees the same thing. And so he's been

803
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 5: like Mary, can you take out two thousand dollars from

804
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 5: the bank and buy twenty bottles of eight one eight

805
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 5: and send them all to the generals?

806
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,600
Speaker 1: And she's like, totally, I'm totally doing it. She's immediately

807
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: going to the jewelers where she's in ten k of

808
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:55,360
Speaker 1: debt to kiffing him, kiffing him all the money, and

809
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 1: then just being like I totally sent the a wna yeah.

810
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 5: And sending a letter being like, dearest McLennan, I hope

811
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 5: he received the bottle of eight one celebrity.

812
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: Four segments ago, What did she eat?

813
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: What does she wear?

814
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: How does she live? Okay, what does she eat?

815
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: What do you think we'll go?

816
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: I feel like he is I feel like he's not

817
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 4: so beef. I feel like he's very gamey. I feel

818
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 4: like it's a lot of a lot of quail, a

819
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: lot of rabbits.

820
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, well he's not a I mean he's a thin guy.

821
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: I bet he. I think he might like a bit

822
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: of fish.

823
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 5: Well, it's funny, you know what I read, And I

824
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 5: don't know if I was cheating on this was on

825
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 5: Wikipedia said Mary cooked simple meals for him, but he

826
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 5: loved oysters.

827
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 1: Oh fancy, Yeah, likeairy oysters, like bulb rary oysters.

828
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: Oh like bulballs.

829
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 5: No.

830
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: I think probably just like straight.

831
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: Up Gene Closter and closer to a metrosection.

832
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 5: I know.

833
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: He's like, Babe, that's just that's just like straight that

834
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: he's like Ridgewood guy. Like he's just a six foot

835
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: four Ridgewood guy.

836
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,160
Speaker 2: Like, Babe, let's go get some natty and oysters.

837
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of the John Wilson of Illinois.

838
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Wilson, tall landlord.

839
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: I don't tall.

840
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 2: Abe wasn't a landlord though, But I.

841
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,399
Speaker 5: Think oysters have Oysters always been like a chic food

842
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 5: or so, like lobsters, which used to be like dirty.

843
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: Foreman's food, I don't know, and then they made them

844
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 1: fancy and pineapples used to be a rich person's food.

845
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 3: I feel like there was also a lot of millet.

846
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone was fucking with millet back.

847
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: Some millet oysters. But yeah, probably, like.

848
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: I think he's also a little bit like very Verner

849
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: her sog forgetting to eat. Yeah, like he's been like,

850
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: oh I've been I've been transcribing this court case for

851
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: eleven hours, Like while I'm being like the town lawyer

852
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,320
Speaker 1: slash the town like infected milk salesman, and I totally

853
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: forgot to eat the read, and mary Ta's like, Okay,

854
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: I guess I'll finish it.

855
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 5: And then they're like going to a play and like

856
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 5: not having time for dinner, And then I think at

857
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: dinners he is like probably talking so much as he

858
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 5: does and is like one sip of champagne, one bite

859
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 5: of Mary's Rabbit, yeah.

860
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 3: At the Alehouse, maybe half a Johnny Cake in the morning.

861
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and coffee black you think so? I feel like

862
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: maybe he was afraid of milk after the oh so

863
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: much temperance and just being like coffee is unfit for

864
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: a man to drink for it is too strong of

865
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:43,799
Speaker 1: a subjec.

866
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 5: That I think he's like a fan of the temperance movement,

867
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,720
Speaker 5: But I don't think. I think like Rutherford B. Hayes

868
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 5: was more of a teetotaler, and he was like less.

869
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 4: He also strikes me as a slow person. What was

870
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 4: his sign again? What's his astrology?

871
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 5: Oh?

872
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: You think he's a Torus?

873
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 3: Do we know?

874
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: Do we know someone knows? Can we get a fackcheck

875
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: on Linky's birthday?

876
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 5: Oh?

877
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: No, famously we always like it's a February, right, isn't Aquarius.

878
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: Lincoln's birthday is like February President's Day or Pisces Pisces. Yeah, no,

879
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: it was Aquarius. It's probably a Pisces.

880
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 3: Okay, that would make sense.

881
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 1: Well, it would also make sense for him to not

882
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 1: be trustworthy, because I would never trust a Pisces as

883
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: far as I can throw them.

884
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 5: It's I really could see him also being kind of tea,

885
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 5: like weird straight guys it drinks tea.

886
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

887
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 4: I know the war stressed him out, but I feel

888
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 4: like he I feel like he never had like a

889
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: carrot ever, Like I feel like there were certain vegetables

890
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 4: he just never ate.

891
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 3: His color was so sallow.

892
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. In this Hillary Clinton way where she hates drinking water.

893
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: Oh shut up, Oh she refuses.

894
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: That's crazy, She's disgusting.

895
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 5: I could really see him like hardly having a sip

896
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 5: of water, huh end of the day. Yeah, like maybe

897
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 5: a few SIPs. It would be like one quill two

898
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 5: hours ago.

899
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,479
Speaker 1: I'm saying I think he was, Like I'm saying he's

900
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 1: not into carrots and the way that Hilary's not into water.

901
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: But I do think he's into water. Don't you picture

902
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: him having such a like kraf of water next to

903
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: the bed in Lincoln bedroom.

904
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: It's never getting drunk though parents don't drink water.

905
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: Hmmmmm.

906
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: But he's I see.

907
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 5: Him honestly drinking more black coffee than water. That gets

908
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 5: kind of cold.

909
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 1: Okay, what does he wear? Well, everything is customy because

910
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: he's so tall, and he's the tallest person in the

911
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: country at the time.

912
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:30,040
Speaker 2: Boxers or briefs.

913
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: No long long yeah, like loose underwear, swing in the

914
00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 4: long underwear.

915
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

916
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 3: Like.

917
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: And Mary Todd's not like darning his clothes very often.

918
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: She's cooking the occasional simple oyster meal.

919
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 5: No. I think she coached a lot of like normal

920
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 5: mom mass meals.

921
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 4: Well, did you guys remember though, maybe she was in

922
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,720
Speaker 4: such a bad mood because they had no staff. Remember

923
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 4: how remember how they said that he only had like

924
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 4: two guys at one point working in the White House.

925
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 3: They're both in their early twenties.

926
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 1: I know, I love that he only well that having

927
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: that just the two boys was another like full gay

928
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of thing to me was four four no no no.

929
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: As the staff at the yeah, yeah, like his only

930
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: staff was these two like healthy young men. He could

931
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: run about.

932
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 5: I really went back and forth on Buyer straight, But

933
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 5: I think he is just straight who like loved his

934
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 5: friendships with men.

935
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: The shoes had to be customed.

937
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: For sure, big shoes, big hands.

938
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean he is very I feel like filled

939
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 5: that brand like Philson, He's Pendleton, like it was a

940
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 5: good wolves long coat, Skinny raw Denham.

941
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 3: He's barber for sure.

942
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean is the APC, he's a PC.

943
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: He's like stove pipe jeans, red wing, like, I mean,

944
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: the infamous hat is something that we should talk about.

945
00:43:56,200 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: Oh shit, he literally invented hats. Obviously every man wore

946
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: a hat, but no one wore a stovepipe and insane

947
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: tall hat. And then like Steampunk's like completely like stole

948
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: up from him, like.

949
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: Years later, So Isabella blow with him?

950
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Malcolm McLaren.

951
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,359
Speaker 1: And this actually gets that's actually very straight of him

952
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 1: again where it's just like he's being like he's almost

953
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 1: just being like fully like art school bro wearing like

954
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: a crazy outfit.

955
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, to be like oh and be like and someone's

956
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: like I love your hat and then he acts like

957
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 5: it's not a big deal.

958
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, well does any like doesn't tell you where he

959
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 1: got it? Is ape?

960
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: Did it?

961
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 4: Did Abe exist at the same time period as Henry

962
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: David Barrow. I think Throw is younger, is later, is.

963
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: A little later, but they were alive at the same time.

964
00:44:45,080 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: They were contembraneous because like the Row talks about like

965
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: not liking the railroad extending through Massachusetts, and railroads were

966
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: also being built in the nineteenth century.

967
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 4: I feel like the Row an Abe and like po Oh,

968
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 4: for sure there would have like yeah, yeah, they're Indie guys.

969
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: I do think that Threau would have thought Abe was

970
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,400
Speaker 1: a little like annoying.

971
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he thought he was too honest.

972
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 5: Wait t s idea them all sitting around the card

973
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 5: table like the dogs.

974
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,480
Speaker 1: Or so rat pack just like yeah, just like or

975
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's like a little more modern, like they're all

976
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: at a cool bar with retro arcades. Yeah.

977
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 5: I think Throw was actually like would have gone to

978
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 5: school with Abe, and like Abe is the one who

979
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 5: kind of became like who was like I'm still woke man,

980
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 5: but like I do work for this big law firm,

981
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 5: and Throw is a little bit like I'm so Indian.

982
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 1: Because like because also wants to like be more of

983
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: an ord and just kind of like write small essays

984
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: for small presses and be so semiotext and like Abe

985
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: is a little bit more like, oh, I am ambitious.

986
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: I want to become a leader.

987
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: And Poe is just like an art handler.

988
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, freelance art handler. And they're like Poe gets the hottest.

989
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: Checks but also ends up having whiskey dick every night

990
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: and like low key they don't know that a yeah,

991
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: and Todd the rodering of her life every night. Do

992
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: you think they were rimming?

993
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 3: No?

994
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: No, when did get inventioned?

995
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Rimming was happening in Greece and Rome, it.

996
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: Stopped and then it stopped for like two thousand years

997
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: and started again in the eighties.

998
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 3: I rimmed a guy this year Norway who was so.

999
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: Just like, oh, like, Norwegian guys don't do this.

1000
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: It hasn't gotten up there yet. I was just like,

1001
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: good god, Okay, so we're still in the renaissance. It's

1002
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: like where it is traveling slowly.

1003
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: Well, and especially America, as we know, like was the

1004
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 5: most heuroitanical.

1005
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 1: So okay, how does he live? Obviously we know she's

1006
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: bejeweling the fuck out of that house.

1007
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,280
Speaker 5: Wait, this is what I wanted to ask you, Nikki,

1008
00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 5: how would you redecorate the White House.

1009
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:55,920
Speaker 2: In this era.

1010
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: Oh, this is such a good question. In this era, yeah,

1011
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean twenty twenty three. You are the first lady.

1012
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 4: In this era. I mean, you guys know, I'm going

1013
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: to be just like so cheesy and so just like no,

1014
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 4: just so like Parisian you know me, so well, yeah,

1015
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 4: I'm going to do like Parisian modern, a little shabby chic.

1016
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so karlogic, but not that insane. I

1017
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: like classic, I mean, I mean, I like but it's

1018
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,239
Speaker 1: a mix of minimalism too, though, yeah I do.

1019
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 3: How can I put this? I don't like every room

1020
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 3: to be you know overru.

1021
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: Have a picture and like Luka tour's like chezes, but

1022
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: like I feel like in the Oval for it's like

1023
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: I like, I kind of already love what you're doing

1024
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: in the Oval because like what we would do is

1025
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: like have the fabulous desk, right and actually maybe get

1026
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: a new desk, which would be like sacrilegic. Well, let's

1027
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,279
Speaker 1: go off, let's do it, get insanely ornate desk, but

1028
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 1: then have like leaning art like leaning frame. I'm of

1029
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: like a seventies prince I love, I mean, and then

1030
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: books like to give a really.

1031
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 4: Cheesy example, how the houses are decorated and call me

1032
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 4: by your name. Yeah, I think that's I mean, I

1033
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,760
Speaker 4: just I love a big comfortable.

1034
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 3: Couch, but then like a sheet over the couch.

1035
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 4: But then a very formal coffee table, normal side table,

1036
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: very formal light, but then really comfortable furniture, because it's like.

1037
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 5: Right, would you then it's like there would be like

1038
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 5: the old school China, Like I feel like I'd want

1039
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 5: to mix and match where it's like I do want

1040
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 5: to be eating off like an old ass plate that

1041
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 5: taffed it off, right.

1042
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: You want to maintain the history.

1043
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,880
Speaker 4: Remember they they really ridiculed Jackie Oh for making the

1044
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: White House too French.

1045
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 3: Remember that.

1046
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: Yes, they're like, oh, you're trying to maybe too thematical

1047
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 1: in direction. But I think, like now the White House

1048
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: is so boring, it's so restoration hardware. It's like so beige,

1049
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: and like I would get rid of all that boring ass.

1050
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 3: Jill Biden has been extremely quiet. I mean, we yea, we.

1051
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: Heard about a peep from.

1052
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 3: We heard more.

1053
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 4: About Malania's misgivings than anything Jill has done.

1054
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Jill's done Jack Jill shit, Like

1055
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: there was.

1056
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: One article in Parade Magazine that I read about her,

1057
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 5: and it was like, Jill Biden makes her Italian American

1058
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 5: favorites because I was forget she is Italian for Joe

1059
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 5: and it's like, here's my healthy chicken palm that I

1060
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 5: make for genocide Joe. I don't think you're cooking that up.

1061
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: Okay, who are you in the book?

1062
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 4: Oh?

1063
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: This is fun, this is interesting.

1064
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 5: I mean you would be the way you were Lincoln

1065
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 5: writing Josh Speed because you're tattoo.

1066
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:37,359
Speaker 1: It's so.

1067
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 5: Mary McCall, Mary Mattias, like, I mean I wrote fan

1068
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 5: fiction about Josh Speed.

1069
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, you are whoever you are.

1070
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:51,319
Speaker 2: You're like you're Lincoln fantasizing.

1071
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: And also you are you're writing a letter like gossip,

1072
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: being about a local like legal case.

1073
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 3: He would spill so much to a chica.

1074
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,680
Speaker 2: You are spelling like you're writing a letter being like

1075
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 2: don't tell anyone.

1076
00:50:03,680 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: This and it's getting published.

1077
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 2: Stephen, you are.

1078
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: You think I'm Marry Todd with the stockings.

1079
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 5: Married not and the headaches because like when you get sick,

1080
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 5: you're like I'm dying. Yeah, And then also like you

1081
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 5: are like randomly in your.

1082
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: Girl in Springfield.

1083
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, and you're also like somehow getting Congress to

1084
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 5: give you more money in this way.

1085
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: Yes, but then I'm secretly returning the jewelry and it's awkward.

1086
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: You're like selling it back to Tokyo seven.

1087
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 3: I mean, you're political, but you're charismatic.

1088
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you so much, Lily. You you're Josh

1089
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 1: Sed You're the plug.

1090
00:50:58,120 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, write it.

1091
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: I feel like I also would press like a maple

1092
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 5: leaf into a letter.

1093
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 3: I feel like you could also be Ulysses as Grant.

1094
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay for your hero.

1095
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 5: Getting my bottle of Toto much knob Creek being like, whoa,

1096
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:21,280
Speaker 5: this is so dope. Lincoln just sent me a bottle Freak.

1097
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 5: I'm posting about it being like, thanks Lincoln.

1098
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that Grant was so hot when he

1099
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:27,280
Speaker 3: was younger.

1100
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's always hot. Where he didn't get unhot, he

1101
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,439
Speaker 1: stayed hot.

1102
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,959
Speaker 2: The facial hair for hair Modern Heart.

1103
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I give this book. When do we get this book?

1104
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm going to give this book maybe

1105
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: three and three point eight assassinations out of five. I

1106
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: think like some of it is super fun, but it

1107
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,719
Speaker 1: is really long. There's so much to sift through. And

1108
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: I think sometimes he gets a little bit like long

1109
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: ended and repetitive and like obviously there's some bangers, you know,

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Speaker 1: a house divided and cannot stand. But it's like some

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Speaker 1: of the like endless speeches. When he's like in the

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Speaker 1: only I State House, it's a little like we got it.

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Speaker 4: I think Lincoln was someone that was quirky and that

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Speaker 4: someone that you someone that you would enjoy.

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Speaker 3: Talking to at a crowded dinner party.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but not but not seated next to the car, yeah, Curtly,

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Speaker 1: not a car.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, you would like you would be like no,

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Speaker 4: you'd be like, oh, like I'm getting to ride with

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Speaker 4: like Lincoln, please ride with me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he'd be fun to talk to

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Speaker 1: you for nine to eleven minutes, like on the desks.

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Speaker 4: I think that he was also, you know, one thing

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Speaker 4: that no one said but I could so read into.

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Speaker 4: I think that he was passive aggressive, because even anytime

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Speaker 4: someone that historically is even tempered, it's like, no, everyone

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00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 4: has a little something. And I think that he was

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Speaker 4: probably really passive aggressive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I feel like what's not shown is like what was

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00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 5: he the passive aggression of it, and probably then sometimes

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Speaker 5: he gave Mary Todd and like they talk about her depression,

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00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,879
Speaker 5: how like after the sun died, and like, oh, he

1134
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 5: just went right back to work. But I'm sure he

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00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 5: was being kind of like cold and not supportive in

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Speaker 5: this way.

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Speaker 1: I believe that that's not supportive of her jewelry addiction.

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Speaker 1: Do you give the book?

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Speaker 2: I give the book.

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Speaker 5: It's I mean, I agree with you where it's like

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00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 5: the letters are more fun than the speeches because the

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00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 5: speeches are boring. So I'm giving him like a three

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00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 5: point eight for like, I'm learning so much about his

1144
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 5: quirkiness and his vulnerability. So I think, yeah, I want

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00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 5: to read more of his letters because we did read

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00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 5: the selected but.

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of good on the speech.

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Speaker 1: What do you give it out of five out of five?

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00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 4: I give it probably I give it a solid three

1150
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 4: out of five because I think that I'm more interested

1151
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 4: in the people that are interested.

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00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah in Lincoln.

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00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, because there seems to be a certain kind of

1154
00:53:57,200 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 4: personality that's like in the Lincoln and when they talk

1155
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 4: about him, they just light up.

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Speaker 5: Right, He's in the right, So it's like he's not

1157
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 5: totally making light up. It's like he's the central figure

1158
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 5: people I wish he was.

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00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 3: A little more fun. I feel like he's so dry.

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Speaker 1: But I think, you know, it's that lack of funness

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00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: that enabled him to have this like and like be

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00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: the one person who could kind of like see the

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00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: nation through the Civil War, because I think other.

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00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:29,759
Speaker 2: People can't be fun and see the nation.

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00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: No other people would have been like they would have

1166
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: been too impatient, Like they would have just been like,

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00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: all right, let's do this, and like maybe like you know,

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00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 1: the war would have gone to any different direction. I mean,

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00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: I don't think I thought ever could have won.

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Speaker 4: But I think during that day and age, if men

1171
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 4: invited you to drink, everyone got wasted. And I think

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00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 4: that Lincoln really did just have one drink and go

1173
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 4: home beyond that And that's why and that's why it's

1174
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 4: just like and that's why everyone is just like you

1175
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 4: are powerful.

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Speaker 2: That's the lesson.

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Speaker 1: Wow, this has been such an incredible journey. Thank you

1178
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,919
Speaker 1: for joining us, for us.

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Speaker 5: This has been the highlight of my year. You guys,

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00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,320
Speaker 5: I are you come back? I just feel like I

1181
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:11,440
Speaker 5: feel so happy. I feel so you know, in the

1182
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 5: spirit of compassion and togetherness. Yes, no, I would love

1183
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 5: to come back. You know what I feel like, I'll

1184
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 5: just say this. I think it's interesting. I just think

1185
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 5: it's interesting. I think it's interesting that we.

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Speaker 3: Never brought up John Wilkes Booth.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and I think that that is nice

1188
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,759
Speaker 1: of us because we were reading this text, which is

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Speaker 1: obviously he didn't write about his assassination because he was dead.

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Speaker 1: And I think that all.

1191
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,800
Speaker 2: You hear growing up is John Wills Booth shooting.

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00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: It's like I just saw the Ken Burns document and

1193
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: it's just like we don't It's like it's actually kind

1194
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: of rude, you know what I mean. It's just like

1195
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Speaker 1: we don't need to keep talking about this one tragedy

1196
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: that happened at the end.

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Speaker 5: I never like, it's so much more interesting to talk

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,840
Speaker 5: about Josh Speed for an hour.

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Speaker 1: Than although I will, I'll say this. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: that's one of the main reasons he's super famous. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure even if he had like stay president and

1202
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 1: maybe he would have ushered in reconstruction like better than

1203
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: whoever else did than like Johnson. It's just kind of.

1204
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 2: Like no one is more love than JFK.

1205
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: And because he got killed, because they got killed, and

1206
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: the like, we wouldn't be talking about it. We wouldn't

1207
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:20,719
Speaker 1: be talking about Caesar if he hadn't been stabbed. It's

1208
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: just like an assassination. Honey, puts you in the books.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay.

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00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,439
Speaker 2: I heard you have a music video today.

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00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:30,839
Speaker 1: Yea, anything we want to plug? Oh?

1212
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Speaker 4: I mean okay, So I do have my latest project.

1213
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 4: It's called Postcards from Italia. And then besides that.

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00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 2: You've basically become Italian this last year.

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Speaker 4: I've been really in Italy a lot, and I'm I'm

1216
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Speaker 4: I'm on season five with the Sopranos. So no, I

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Speaker 4: have nothing to plug. I'm just honestly, I came here

1218
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 4: to be with my friends. Yes, you guys don't know

1219
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 4: how long I have, no biblically long. I've known since

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00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: the Civil War, since the Civil War, And I just

1221
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 4: want to say I am as their friend. I am

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00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 4: so proud of them, and so proud of this podcast,

1223
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 4: and so proud that they have people like you guys

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00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 4: listening to them. You guys, my friends have fans. So

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 4: proud of them.

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Speaker 1: We follow in your your.

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Speaker 2: Zach career path.

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Speaker 5: No, you trained us, Okay, well say it with us.

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Speaker 1: Be I have expressed heretofore and I now repeat my

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00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: opposition to the executive production of this podcast by Christina

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00:57:44,720 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 1: Everett of Springfield.

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Speaker 5: Three scores and seven years ago, Dobby Master's decided to

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Speaker 5: produce this podcast, and I said yes on that referendum.

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Speaker 1: And we should let this property abide by the decision

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Speaker 1: to let the supervision of the product be ordained by

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Speaker 1: one abou Zafar.

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Speaker 5: The Saginaw River was designed by Teddy Blanks, and the

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Speaker 5: wonderful music at my wife Mary Todd's sister's.

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Speaker 2: Wedding was done by Stephen Phillips.

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Speaker 3: Host.

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Speaker 5: This podcast was originally co created in the Kenny Bunkport

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00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 5: River Battle with pros Projects.

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Speaker 1: It was a terrible battle. There were four survivors in

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Speaker 1: sixty thousand parish.

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Speaker 5: Though we did all have a luncheon after where were

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Speaker 5: te provided by our new workmanship with the first ever

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Speaker 5: grocery store of the Union County.

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Speaker 1: And I would be remiss if I did not inhabit

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Speaker 1: our memory back to the extent of which, therefore the

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00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 1: degree of prosperity could be pursued by one Patreon dot

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Speaker 1: com such CBC the pod for further pro whispering across

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Speaker 1: the great nation. May we remain united in our love

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Speaker 1: for content,