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Speaker 1: Return now to our main story. As well, has widened

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Speaker 1: its ground offensive in Gaza. He has also raided a

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Speaker 1: have been killed, and also conducted an air strike in

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Speaker 1: to Israel's Prime Minister, Benjamin lettin Yahoo Mark, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to Winimberg Radio. Thank you for your time. The Israeli

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Speaker 1: military good Morning, has said that IDF troops killed dozens

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Speaker 2: Not that I'm aware of.

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Speaker 3: We haven't released any information yet, but what I heard

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Speaker 3: last night was so far we've been doing well, and

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Speaker 3: that's important for us obviously.

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Speaker 2: But our goal is of course to.

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Speaker 3: Take on Kamas, to destroy its military machine and to

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Speaker 2: Power there on the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 3: We refuse in Israel to return to a situation where

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Speaker 3: we've got this terrorist on glad on our southern border

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Speaker 3: that at will will will attack us, at will, will

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Speaker 3: will send its killers into our country to massacre our people.

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Speaker 2: We won't stand for that anymore.

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Speaker 3: We will take on kamask we will destroy its capabilities

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Speaker 1: What is the aim in northern Gaza? Is it to

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Speaker 3: I can't go into tactical things, and you will understand why.

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Speaker 2: We want to surprise the enemy. But you know that in.

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Speaker 3: Northern Ghaza there's a very elaborate system of Kamas tunnels,

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Speaker 3: Camas bunkers, Kamas missile launching stoke Kamas's leadership. Unfortunately, we

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Speaker 3: And this shouldn't surprise anyone. They are deliberately using humanitarian

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Speaker 1: How concerned are you about for Palestinian for additional Palestinian

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Speaker 3: Bank When we're taking on Palestinians, We're taking on Camas.

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Speaker 3: That's our target and As you know, Kamas also has

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Speaker 3: that's what we've been doing.

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Speaker 1: What efforts are being made to negotiate the release of

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Speaker 3: First of all, I don't expect Hamas to suddenly change.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to become a humanitarian. Yes, there are

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Speaker 3: we have no illusions about Kamas. We think we'll get

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Speaker 2: We think that's the best way to get our people home.

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Speaker 3: And of course, as our operation continues, and as our

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Speaker 1: You are close to Benjamin Natania, who is his advisor,

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Speaker 1: How much pressure is Netanyahu under now to resign.

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Speaker 3: I'm not aware of any pressure for him to design

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Speaker 3: I would say this, Yes, it's clear there were failures

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Speaker 3: When they crossed our border, they butchered our people, and

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Speaker 1: But you can't deny the friori that came after that

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Speaker 3: The wrong thing, correct correct, and he admitted the mistake

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Speaker 3: But the focus today is on winning the war against Ramas,

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Speaker 3: and that we will do. And then when that's behind us,

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Speaker 3: there'll be a time for lessons learned. You know, there

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Speaker 1: As well, that could be six weeks or six months

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Speaker 3: Yes, In fact, the government has been expanded, as you know,

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Speaker 3: They entered left wing KiB with sim people who don't

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Speaker 1: But the clock is ticking in terms of support for Israel.

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Speaker 3: I think we're being cautious because we're being judicious. You know,

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Speaker 3: We have no illusions. We're dealing with a fanatical and

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Speaker 1: A young Iran's foreign I'm so sorry. Iran's foreign minister

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Speaker 1: He said that if the United States continues what it

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Speaker 3: I think it's exactly opposite the fact that the United

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Speaker 1: The US, though, has said that Israel and its military

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Speaker 3: So we accept that we want to attack and destroy Hamas,

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Speaker 3: it must be said that Ramas is doing everything possible to.

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Speaker 2: We know there's going to be fighting.

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Speaker 3: If you're next to a Harmas installation, if you know

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Speaker 1: Mean, according to importing two thirds, it seems as if

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Speaker 3: That's all there are, all our concerns. I agree the

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Speaker 3: But obviously it's a difficult job. But that's why we've

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Speaker 3: So we've got many, many concerns in addition to worrying

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Speaker 2: These are all considerations that we have to take as

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what do you also say? I have many

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Speaker 3: military machine, I'm very glad to hear it, But at

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Speaker 3: the moment, there is no other way. And those who

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Speaker 3: might sound good, and I understand why. People might, you know, think, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's a wonderful idea, let's stop shooting, But that basically

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Speaker 3: just returns us to October seventh, six in the morning,

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Speaker 3: run by Kamas, which is like Isis on steroids. We

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Speaker 3: to understand, Israel refuses to return to that situation. We

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Speaker 3: we can dismantle Mmas's military machine in another way, I'm

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Speaker 3: happy to hear.

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Speaker 2: And I'm afraid what is some of these some.

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Speaker 3: Of these voices, it's like Hamas killed and brutalized and massacred,

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Speaker 3: is ready. And when Israel starts to move against Kamas, ceasefire. No,

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Speaker 3: Kamas has no immunity. They acted like isis. They should

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Speaker 1: What is the post war plan for Gaza exactly?

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Speaker 3: So we don't want to have, you know, to stay

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Speaker 3: there forever, but we will. We will stay there as

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Speaker 3: long as we need to destroy Hamas's military machine, and

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Speaker 3: that is the goal of this operation. And the truth is,

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Speaker 3: when this is over and we've achieved our goals, as

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Speaker 3: I believe we will, it'll be obviously better for the

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Speaker 3: people of Israel, who won't have to live with this

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Speaker 3: terrible terrorist threat on our frontier.

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Speaker 2: But it will also be.

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Speaker 3: Better for the people of Gaza, who deserve better than

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Speaker 3: this group of blood thirty, bloodthirsty terrorists who ruled the

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Speaker 3: Gaza Strip for the last sixteen years and only bought

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Speaker 3: the people of Gaza pain and suffering and imparverishment, and.

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Speaker 1: So it would mean Israeli forces in Gaza for an

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Speaker 1: indefinite period of time.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't put it that way, but as long as

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Speaker 3: our military operations are necessary to destroy Kamasa's military machine

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Speaker 3: once again, we have no intention of staying there. We

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Speaker 3: have no desire to rule the Gaza Strip in any

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Speaker 1: Okay, Mark Gregev, thank you so much for your time

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Speaker 1: for being with us here on Bloomberg Radio