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Speaker 2: From Austin, Texas. It's around the NFL Free Agency Week

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Speaker 2: And yet here we are in hotel rooms giving you

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Speaker 2: the information you need. Dan Hans is here, Greg Rosenthal,

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Speaker 2: Mark Sessler, and we are in Austin, here, the capital

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Speaker 2: Radio Awards, and we are up for best Sports Podcast.

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Speaker 2: That's tomorrow night. But that's just a personal journey we're on.

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Speaker 2: The reason we're here today is to get you caught

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Speaker 2: up on Free Agency Week, which has already started. And

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Speaker 2: this is different, Greg Rosenthal and did I mention him

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Speaker 2: it necessitated a clearing of the decks. And that's what

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Speaker 2: still coasting off the Cat Williams interview. And here we

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Speaker 2: like so much has gone down, we're going to get

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Speaker 2: not a lot of bells will whistles to this up.

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Speaker 2: It's just what you need to know as the legal

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Speaker 5: don't trade for Jerry Judy because he's mentally unable to

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Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield. He has signed a big deal with the

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Speaker 3: That just it's been ups, there's been downs, but right

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Speaker 2: I think, even though it is short term and it

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Speaker 2: But then it's like, you know, and you said it,

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Speaker 2: I think they'll regret this contract, but I also understand

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Speaker 1: It was a safe move.

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Speaker 4: But Dan, what if he gives you what he gave

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Speaker 2: But also I say that knowing you know the Bucks's history.

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Speaker 1: Brady was this outlier.

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Speaker 2: They won the super Bowl with Brad Johnson and that

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Speaker 2: he brings them a level. He was obviously a professional,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I do worry that his play will go down

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Speaker 3: I think Gino's was like twelve to the second year

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Speaker 4: The last time we saw Chris Jones, he's pressuring brock

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Speaker 4: They walked into this offseason with a tricky situation on defense, Like.

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Speaker 1: Wait three more during Chris Jones' contract, I.

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Speaker 4: and like, so at, keep adding to what you have,

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Speaker 4: He said that emphatically during their parade. And he's sticking around,

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Speaker 1: This one worries me less.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't shown any decline to play. I love it.

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Speaker 3: And well, the guaranteed money is quite different now it

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Speaker 3: I want to see what practically guarantee mean this This

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Speaker 4: Of it, and there is a risk and like he

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Speaker 3: And to be fair, defensive tackles have has started to

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Speaker 1: How of those this is?

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Speaker 2: If this is Chris Jones at age thirty three, I

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Speaker 2: And then if he continues to play at this level

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Speaker 2: got Chris Jones under contract. He's the Patrick Mahomes of

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Speaker 1: It's scary.

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Speaker 2: It's scary because the Chiefs are one really good offseason

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Speaker 2: So far not so good for mac Jones in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: at least after his rookie year he was a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Right, I was.

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Speaker 3: Saying, Baker has had the most up and down career possible.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if mac Jones is ever going to

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Speaker 3: But I can't remember a quarterback looking more that had

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Speaker 1: Yes, he buss.

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Speaker 4: Mean, I'm also I'm almost willing to give Mac Jones

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Speaker 2: I think he was exactly the type of he's a

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Speaker 2: my god, we just saw Craig's bare chest.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna see that in his hotel room. Anything could happen.

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Speaker 1: Anything goes in a hotel room on a business trip.

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Speaker 2: And Greg just showed you it's hot.

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Speaker 4: There's no air in these rooms. We all have, like Greg,

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Speaker 1: I should turn down or something like that.

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Speaker 2: a quarterback like Mac Jones, you could be all right.

440
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Speaker 2: Maybe you'll win ten games if things break.

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Speaker 1: The right way. But I think he was exposed. He

442
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: got your right mark.

443
00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,880
Speaker 2: The whole de facto offensive coordinator Patricia thing was terrible,

444
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 2: kind of in a way ruin Belichick's Patriots career as well,

445
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 2: or at least how it ended. But also I think

446
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:29,600
Speaker 2: you saw with Jones's temperament, which also war on teammates

447
00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 2: and coaches. He's not a guy that actually handled adversity well,

448
00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 2: and I think that's something that will continue to follow him.

449
00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: And I don't have high hopes for mac Jones moving forward.

450
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: And you know, he's he's better than geez like for instance,

451
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: every backup the Jets ran out.

452
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Speaker 3: There and the Jaguars backup last year. I guess I

453
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: don't know like he's either better or not. If he's

454
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Speaker 3: like he was last year, he's he's worse than every

455
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Speaker 3: quarterback in the league, at least Doug Peterson. It's a

456
00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: little landing spot, you know, for a quarterback.

457
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Speaker 2: All right, So Mac Jones gone, not gone, Hunter Henry.

458
00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 2: He re signs with the Patriots three years, twenty seven million,

459
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,720
Speaker 2: so that tight end room keeps Henry. Remember he was

460
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Speaker 2: one of the big signings by the Pats a couple

461
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Speaker 2: of years back in free agency. Although I read that

462
00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 2: some of his pop the hood route numbers were among

463
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,840
Speaker 2: the worst than the league in terms of explosiveness for

464
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:22,640
Speaker 2: its tight end, but that seems to be in line

465
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Speaker 2: with what the Patriots are really aiming for with their offense.

466
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Speaker 1: Post Tom Brady.

467
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Speaker 2: And finally they also added Chakuma Oka four Yeah, I

468
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: got that, okor four you got it core for anyway,

469
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 2: former third round pick, he's spent his first six years

470
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Speaker 2: with the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: He gives them another option on their offensive line.

472
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Speaker 2: They're gonna lose some of their line this offseason, it

473
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Speaker 2: looks like in free agency, so Choky comes in.

474
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Speaker 3: They they're as thin on in terms of their skill

475
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Speaker 3: position talent as any team in the league. They are

476
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Speaker 3: the thinnest, say, and the slowest, and Hunter Henry does

477
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,240
Speaker 3: not help there, but he is solid and it's just

478
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 3: like one spot you don't have to worry about as much.

479
00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 3: And there's literally no tight ends now on in my

480
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Speaker 3: top fifty. There's only one in the top one on

481
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Speaker 3: one that's no offense. It's a weirdly scarce position. In

482
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Speaker 3: his not so well that group he did not and

483
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Speaker 3: they there's none in the draft either that are expected

484
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Speaker 3: to go in the first two rounds at Leastah, if

485
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Speaker 3: you need o, there's ideas other than breakbon If you needed.

486
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Speaker 2: A tight end, last year was the year to get

487
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Speaker 2: one in the draft. All right, let's stop down right

488
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Speaker 2: here real quick, and then we'll keep pouring through all

489
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Speaker 2: this news. Okay, Jerry Judy, we know that happened when

490
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,359
Speaker 2: we were in London in October when Steve Smith went

491
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Speaker 2: nuclear with Mike Garifolo on NFL Network about Judy. However,

492
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Speaker 2: Judy does have a big time draft pedigree.

493
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Speaker 1: What did what did a Mena call it on the

494
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Speaker 1: show last week?

495
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Speaker 2: Pretty pick privilege, pretty pick privilege. He was selected with

496
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Speaker 2: the fifteenth overall pick in the twenty twenty NFL Draft.

497
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 2: Remember again, God, we say free agency isn't perfect. How

498
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 2: about the draft? Or was Jerry Judy and Henry Ruggs

499
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 2: as two painted as two can't miss a wide receiver

500
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 2: prospects and Ruggs obviously ruined his career in his life

501
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 2: in a different way, but hadn't done much before that happened.

502
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 2: And Judy just has not been able to get it

503
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 2: going in Denver, so Mark he now goes to the

504
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: Browns and the terms. The Browns send back a twenty

505
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,439
Speaker 2: four to fifth and sixth round draft pick, so they

506
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Speaker 2: didn't give up a lot. They're taking on a player

507
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: that's ostensibly very talented.

508
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 1: It just has not translated at this level for the

509
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Speaker 1: most part.

510
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 4: Look at how they're building their wide out room over

511
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,840
Speaker 4: the past couple of seasons because they they leased the

512
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,399
Speaker 4: Cowboys for Amari Cooper. I mean, the Cowboys were in

513
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 4: a tough spot and gave Amari Cooper to the Browns

514
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: for very little. They took a flyer in Elijah Moore,

515
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,400
Speaker 4: and I wouldn't say that there's evidence that that's worked out.

516
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: This just seems to me he's been I mean like

517
00:23:58,040 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 4: to me, Elijah Moore as a piece, But I don't

518
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,480
Speaker 4: know what they were expecting. Like Jerry Judy is an experiment.

519
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 4: I could argue that he like didn't have the luxury

520
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: of solid quarterback play in Denver during his time there,

521
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: but he was, you know, plagued with drops. I think

522
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 4: there were flashes where you'd see, wait a minute, this guy,

523
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,919
Speaker 4: if he can string together consistency, there's a lot to

524
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 4: like about him. Cleveland right now has a lot of

525
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 4: whiteouts because they also have you know, they drafted David Bell.

526
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Speaker 4: I think Cedric Tillman is someone who's interesting. They got

527
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 4: David Nijoku. They lost Bill Callahan. I think that's a

528
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 4: big loss for the Cleveland Browns. Nick Chubb's coming off

529
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 4: of injury, and we're another offseason removed, still asking the

530
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 4: same question if the quarterback they traded for can actually

531
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Speaker 4: play quarterback at the level they thought they were gonna get.

532
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Speaker 1: It's a weird mix, like the weird room.

533
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Speaker 3: It's a weird room, and these are people, and I

534
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: think that's criticism sometimes at least in the NBA, but

535
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 3: in the NFL too of like the analytics crowd, like

536
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 3: they're maybe not taken into account chemistry, and it is

537
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 3: just like kind of a a weird group. Cooper, Judy

538
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 3: Watson certainly, like we'll see Judy's been reasonably productive for

539
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: someone who gets, you know, grief for being so disappointed.

540
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: He has three thousand yards in his career when he's

541
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: been healthy, and three of his four seasons has been healthy,

542
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: he's had eight fifty six, six nine seventy two and

543
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 3: seven fifty eight. So it's like he's not great, but

544
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 3: it's not it's not bad, but it's weird because it's

545
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,720
Speaker 3: a one year, twelve million dollar contract that he's on

546
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: and then after that he's a free agent and they'll

547
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 3: just have to decide what they want to do. So

548
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 3: it's not that cheap, but it's also cheaper than almost

549
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,520
Speaker 3: anyone else that you could possibly think of getting with

550
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: that sort of production at this time of year. So

551
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 3: Andrew Berry does have a way of like winning the trades.

552
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 3: And I would say it does make sense to me

553
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Speaker 3: for what they paid.

554
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Speaker 2: I mean would Yeah, I was gonna say, I I

555
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 2: would like Jerry Judy at that cost for my team

556
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: as a team that's looking to fill out a wide

557
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: receiver room. So I think the trade is a good

558
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: one for the Browns on the surface right now, because

559
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: who knows, maybe the light does click and maybe Deshaun

560
00:25:56,800 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 2: eventually returns amongst the living as a franch quarterback. But

561
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: Amari's turning thirty this year, and yeah, now you got

562
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,120
Speaker 2: kind of two former high draft picks and more and

563
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: Judy that you're hoping to kind of salvage and turn

564
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 2: them into something bigger. It does put a lot of

565
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,880
Speaker 2: pressure on in Djoku and the running game and Chubb

566
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 2: coming off a major injury in the offensive line, which

567
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 2: lost kind of there the behind the scenes leader. So

568
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 2: many range of outcomes mark for the Browns on that

569
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 2: side of the ball this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it shows how they value the

571
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: wide op position because it's like, I guess you could

572
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 4: go give Calvin Ridley a ton of money and wonder

573
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Speaker 4: if he's going to be the guy you hope he

574
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 4: is too, And it's like they don't have a ton

575
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Speaker 4: of caprom That wasn't the route they were going to go.

576
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Speaker 4: And they knew that the Broncos were trying to trade

577
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Speaker 4: Judy since the middle of the eighteenth century, so they

578
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 4: you know, they probably got a better cost than you think.

579
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Speaker 3: Right, our guy Kevin Saunders, by the way, like, oh yeah,

580
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 3: keeps looking at L after L. I meant there was

581
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 3: a point where you could have gotten a better return

582
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 3: for Jerry Judy, but they never they kept never making

583
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 3: those trades. And now they're just kind of taking whatever

584
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: they could get for him. And they and they got

585
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Speaker 3: a year of him starting and he wasn't terrible, like

586
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 3: they did get that out of him. But Kevin Saunders,

587
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 3: I do wonder if Kevin Sondra you never wish referring

588
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: to the general manager of the Broncos. Yes, of course

589
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: his his alternate name. There is a there is an

590
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 3: outcome where he's no longer with the team after the draft,

591
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 3: and Sean Payton is the one that's kind of calling

592
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:22,920
Speaker 3: the shots here.

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Speaker 1: But that is total guesswork. I have not heard anything

594
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: like that.

595
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: And for those who may be curious, if he no longer,

596
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: if he if his employment is terminated, he gets his

597
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: name back. That's that's that's fair. That's the right move,

598
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 2: that's the right play, and and that and that's where

599
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 2: we'll go.

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Speaker 3: On that, all right. In other news, right, that seems fair.

601
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: It doesn't think you made it. It was a unilateral

602
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:50,960
Speaker 3: decision by you, but I think it was fair.

603
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: There was a report.

604
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 2: Out there in terms of Saunders taking the yel that

605
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 2: there was a third and a fifth offered for Judy

606
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Speaker 2: as recently as the fall, and they're like, now we're

607
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 2: holding out, and now they give up two day three picks.

608
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: So let's see if the Browns could turn that into

609
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 2: chicken salad. All right, and but we shouldn't Steve Smith.

610
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 2: That was that was fun and we enjoyed it, and

611
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 2: the headlines were great and everything. But I also trust

612
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 2: Steve Smith's judgment on players as well, and.

613
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 3: He kind of was proven right by the The GMS

614
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 3: apparently listened to him, except Andrew Berry, but even he

615
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 3: didn't have to give up much.

616
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 2: All Right, here's a here's a saucy report. That's that's

617
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 2: been floated out there via Albert Breer, of course, of

618
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: SI dot com.

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Speaker 1: The Chargers have had exploratory talks. I love that.

620
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Speaker 2: Whenever you hear exploratory talks, I feel like exploratory talks.

621
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Speaker 2: I feel like it ends up happening. Oh yeah, it's

622
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: it's it's happening. Not always, but many times it turns

623
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Speaker 2: into something. So anyway, explorer tory explore uh tour five

624
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 2: syllable words for the number of letters. You might not

625
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 2: find too many words that bang out of five sill

626
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: in that amount of letters.

627
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: What about ten letters anywhere?

628
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Speaker 4: Skilled broadcastered in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, come back to us, exploratory. Try to be a

630
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 3: little more like sixty percent. G here we got five letters,

631
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Speaker 3: one syllable.

632
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Speaker 1: We're efficient.

633
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 2: Exploratory talks about trading receivers Mike Williams and Keenan Allen.

634
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: Breer adds that Allen is less likely to be dealt,

635
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: but they are answering the phone on both of those,

636
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: and that comes on the heels of continuous speculation on

637
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: the other side of the ball around both Joey Bosa

638
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: and Khalil Mack, they're two premier pass rushers. So the

639
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: Chargers in the Harbor era, we cannot Greggie close the

640
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 2: door or turn our back to the idea that Harbaugh's

641
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: just nuts enough to look at this core, which everyone

642
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: else sees is untapped and say that ain't my core.

643
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 2: I'm going to build this team in my vision, and

644
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: that means turning all these marquee names into draft picks

645
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: and whatnot and starting fresh with the quarterback. Most likely

646
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 2: there's logic to that too. I think it makes sense.

647
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Speaker 3: I actually think if in a weird world where the

648
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: Chargers won three more games but these players were all

649
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 3: about the same, I think they might be gone anyways.

650
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 3: Like if you look at them one by one, Joey

651
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: Boson never plays, I think they kind of have to

652
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: cut or trade Joey Bosa then get something for Like

653
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: he never plays, and he's one of the highest paid

654
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 3: players in the league. He literally has played more than

655
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: like five hundred snaps like a couple of times in

656
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Speaker 3: his career.

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Speaker 1: He just doesn't play.

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Speaker 3: Khalio Mack good season, but getting paid a lot. I

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Speaker 3: would guess Mike Williams and Joey boss are no longer

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Speaker 3: on the team. I would guess Keenan Allen will be

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Speaker 3: and then Mac. I don't know, but I don't really

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Speaker 3: know any of them. I'm just guessing, but those are

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Speaker 3: my guesses.

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Speaker 2: I'm reading Tea leaves here, Mark, and I think we're

665
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Speaker 2: seeing enough out there now that Harbo is really going

666
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Speaker 2: to shake up the league and a lot of these

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Speaker 2: guys are going to be playing elsewhere in September, and

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it. That sounds fun because a lot

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Speaker 2: of these guys also play bizis that teams are scouring

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Speaker 2: looking for help and they and they will flood the

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Speaker 2: market as you know, potential big time contributors.

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Speaker 4: Right because the Chargers experience with Bosa is you know

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Speaker 4: case example A. But other teams are going to look

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Speaker 4: at Bosa in a completely different way and say that's

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Speaker 4: exactly the piece we need to, you know, get two

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Speaker 4: edge rushers. But the one thing I'd say about this,

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Speaker 4: because I agree with you, I think Harbaugh is going

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Speaker 4: to come in do things differently. Maybe they play with

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Speaker 4: no wide receivers, maybe they you know, have eight offensive

680
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Speaker 4: linemen and run the ball four hundred and sixty five

681
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Speaker 4: times a month. But the only problem is if you

682
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Speaker 4: do get to the point where you move Khalil Mack,

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Speaker 4: you move Joey Bosa because they need to make moves

684
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Speaker 4: no matter what, because their caps so exploratory, will turn

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Speaker 4: into something. But if Mike Williams is gone, Keenan Allen

686
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Speaker 4: is gone, it's like okay, but you still need to

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Speaker 4: fill those key core positions, especially at edge rusher with

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Speaker 4: someone else. And it's like the fallout of finding like

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Speaker 4: a C minus version of those four players or some

690
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Speaker 4: amount of them could be costly. And it's like, I

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Speaker 4: think Harbaugh has to set the table a little bit

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Speaker 4: and say, if we're going to have a totally new team,

693
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Speaker 4: because when you went to the Niners started like six

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Speaker 4: and zero and just rolled into the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: He had great players. He inherited a lot of great

696
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Speaker 1: he really did.

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Speaker 4: And here he inherited great players, but a cap hell

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Speaker 4: and like, some changes have to be made, and I

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Speaker 4: would not be surprised that Bosa somewhere else.

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Speaker 2: So Herbert's twenty six years old, actually today's birthday. Happy

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Speaker 2: birthday Justin Herbert, who turned twenty six today. I hope

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Speaker 2: he's doing something marvelous. Friend of the show, best friend

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Speaker 2: of the show. It totally makes sense to me because

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Speaker 2: you have a situation when you look at that team.

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Speaker 2: You have a head coach who has complete job security,

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Speaker 2: quarterback who is the unquestioned franchise star, and he is

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Speaker 2: under contract.

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Speaker 1: Harbaugh is not in a rush to make this the year.

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Speaker 2: So if if he plays it with some level of patience,

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Speaker 2: he could really set them up with some trades and

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Speaker 2: moves where even if they take a step back this year,

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Speaker 2: and I don't even know if they will, because I

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Speaker 2: never I never underestimate the combination of high level quarterback

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Speaker 2: play and a good coach. You know, like they could

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Speaker 2: surprise people this year, even by getting rid of a

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Speaker 2: bunch of these guys, but they could set up.

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Speaker 1: And become a big time team in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: So if I'm the if I'm a Chargers fan, I

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Speaker 2: have trepidation about this because I might own some of

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Speaker 2: these jerseys, and I might be a you know, a

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Speaker 2: fan of a lot of these players, and I might

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Speaker 2: think to myself, like, we want to keep this core

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Speaker 2: together for one big run with a real head coach,

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Speaker 2: But maybe give Jim the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: I would. I would let's take a break.

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Speaker 2: And then we'll hit the rest of the News, Welcome back,

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Speaker 2: Let's get back into it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are here in Texas. By the way.

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Speaker 2: For the iHeart Radio Awards, we were nominated for Best

730
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Speaker 2: Sports Podcast. A lot of people say we're an underdog.

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Speaker 2: I say, Mark, uh, you know right now the hotel

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Speaker 2: we're staying at the pool deck is closed for renovations

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Speaker 2: ahead of spring break, which is I mean, what about

734
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Speaker 2: us we're here?

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Speaker 4: Sure?

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Speaker 1: What about the rowdy teens that you're learning the deck for.

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Speaker 1: I had a whole plan.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna go out on the on the deck

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Speaker 2: like Joe Namath in Miami in nineteen sixty nine, and

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Speaker 2: I was gonna get a young Brent Musburger at my

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Speaker 2: feet while I held a cocktail, and I said, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna We're gonna win a wood at the Ihearts. That

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Speaker 2: guarantee it. But now that now the pool's closed, so

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Speaker 2: I can't do it. So we'll just have to settle

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Speaker 2: for winning the thing.

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Speaker 4: Well, you've said it to our audience, and I had

747
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Speaker 4: told you that I've felt a different energy. I think

748
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: when this was first announced and you realize you're going

749
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Speaker 4: against like the Kelsey's, it's like, I don't it just

750
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Speaker 4: seemed like not only David versus Goliath, but like baby

751
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Speaker 4: David versus like full grown Goliath, like literally a baby

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Speaker 4: that's immobile. Like that's the position we seem to be in.

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Speaker 4: But now I feel like we're growing powerful, more strong,

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Speaker 4: And I have a conspiracy theory that you know, the

755
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 4: Shadowys who have done us right and wrong through the years.

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Speaker 4: I just feel that maybe behind the scenes, they sent

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Speaker 4: us here because they know that there's a pot of

758
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:15,919
Speaker 4: gold at the end of the rainbow. Now, no matter what,

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00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: there's a there's a nice hotel to stay in, in a

760
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Speaker 4: city to explore.

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Speaker 1: So if you want to talk, you talk Yo a

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Speaker 1: great city.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I like the idea of the Shadowyze

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Speaker 2: being an award show too, and then we just nominate

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Speaker 2: different middle managers in.

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Speaker 6: A series of levels of awards and best changing of

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Speaker 6: the subject when the ATN crew brings up something you

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Speaker 6: don't want to do, like different words like that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Greg, did you have anything else to add there?

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Speaker 3: Really I don't share your guys's confidence, but uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I don't think we have like particularly

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Speaker 3: less than a one in five chance. But you know,

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Speaker 3: there's five strong podcasts. I definitely don't think the Shadowy

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Speaker 3: League figures know anything or there's a conspiracy, but there's

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Speaker 3: I would on candidate, So I'm not giving us. I

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Speaker 3: guess I'm using the boring math analysis here is like

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't see why we had a better chance than

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Speaker 3: Club Shasha or Dan Levittard or I.

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Speaker 4: Would imagine that the Kelseys have probably never heard of

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Speaker 4: our show, have never listened to it, Like if there

781
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,720
Speaker 4: this also award. They're doing so well that this award

782
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Speaker 4: process may not be on the radar on any level,

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Speaker 4: But I cannot wait to hear the commentary when we

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Speaker 4: do upset them and just sort of their feedback to that.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's on TD, it's got to be on TD's radar,

786
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Speaker 3: our old producer, who's their producer, one of their producers,

787
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Speaker 3: So we're going after you TD.

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Speaker 1: I would say though, like if.

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Speaker 2: Like Meredith Baton or Matt Schneider, like if we who

790
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Speaker 2: are here management with NFL, Like if we do win

791
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Speaker 2: and then it turns out that your right mark, that

792
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Speaker 2: this was all had been pre arranged, I would say

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Speaker 2: they would be getting a Shadowy Lifetime Achievement Award.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know that.

795
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Speaker 2: Would be to me that would be at least or

796
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Speaker 2: at the very least something they deserve.

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Speaker 4: I want to I want a drunken Travis kelcey oversees

798
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 4: like bitching to you know, Taylor Swift about losing like

799
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Speaker 4: this award to three podcast bozos, and just I want

800
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Speaker 4: to be a fly on the.

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Speaker 2: Ball for then I want Taylor Swift to write a

802
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 2: song just burying us for winning the iHeart Award. All right,

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Speaker 2: let's get back to it. The Eagles, the Eagles, Man,

804
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: the Eagles are in transition. And uh, you know this

805
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 2: happens for every team, high profile team that's you know,

806
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: made the Super Bowl, didn't quite get there coming off

807
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 2: a very disappointing year obviously, and now we know they lost.

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00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: Speaking to Kelsey's Jason kelce retired last week. Now Fletcher

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Speaker 2: Cox h stand out on the other side of the ball,

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Speaker 2: he also retires, So Cox.

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Speaker 1: I mean for a team that.

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Speaker 2: And it's kind of surprising because Fletcher Cox and you know,

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Speaker 2: Jason Kelsey are two like highly respected, decorated leaders that

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Speaker 2: are known as guys that can command a locker room.

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Speaker 2: That all went down with them in the locker room.

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Speaker 2: So now you're taking them out of the locker room.

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Speaker 2: The Eagles are a wild scene right now, and they're

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Speaker 2: like the Browns offense. The range of outcomes is all

819
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Speaker 2: over the place in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: But they're also doing business.

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Speaker 2: Brandon Graham another important part of the defensive line. He

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Speaker 2: has re signed, but also a report out there that

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Speaker 2: Josh Sweat and Hassan Reddick are available in a trade.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of info just downloaded there to the listeners, GREGI,

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Speaker 2: where do you want to go?

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Speaker 1: Start with the Fletcher Cox?

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Speaker 3: Who Look, if you had said five years ago that

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Speaker 3: like Fletcher Cox and Jason Kelsey retire the same week,

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Speaker 3: the Fletcher Cox news would have been seen as like, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's the bigger news. Like he's made four All Pro teams,

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Speaker 3: three as a second team guy, like one of the

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Speaker 3: defining defensive tackles of his air. Wouldn't surprise me if

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Speaker 3: he's you know, he was on the two thoutdid you

834
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Speaker 3: know considered for like an all decade type of team.

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Speaker 3: That's the quality of player that he is now. He's not,

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Speaker 3: as you know, active in the media and everything is

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Speaker 3: Jason Kelsey, and Kelsey's career finished so strong where he

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Speaker 3: was finishing on top, Cox was you know, a guy

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Speaker 3: who signed a contract year after year and you weren't

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Speaker 3: sure if he was going to return, And that's what

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Speaker 3: Brandon Graham is now. But the fact that they brought

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Speaker 3: back Brandon Graham and then they put it out there

843
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Speaker 3: that they're not really into their current pat edge rushers.

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Speaker 3: They're putting a little blame on Josh Sweat and there

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Speaker 3: was a report and Hassan Reddick that they just weren't

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Speaker 3: happy with essentially those two players.

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Speaker 1: It just supports my.

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Speaker 3: Belief that the Eagles are going to do a lot

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Speaker 3: over the next week. Like I don't know what it's

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Speaker 3: gonna be, but they're gonna be super active and they're

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Speaker 3: gonna do a lot.

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Speaker 4: They to me, they shift into like high intrigue no matter.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're right the range of outcomes and what

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00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 4: they're gonna look like, but they're gonna look so different.

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Speaker 4: I think you were looking at a head coach that

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Speaker 4: has been rendered far less powerful than where he was

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Speaker 4: a year ago. And if you're Vic Fangio, I can understand,

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Speaker 4: like looking at what's the Dolphins I had to do?

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Speaker 4: Found you might have you know, if he's looking at

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Speaker 4: their cap and like you know, we're gonna have to

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Speaker 4: make some changes. And he had some links to the

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Speaker 4: Eagles to begin with, so you move on from that.

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Speaker 4: But you come over to Philadelphia and it's like you're

864
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Speaker 4: looking at your defensive scheme is a bit different, but

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Speaker 4: like key components of this side of the ball could

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Speaker 4: all be gone, big chunks of it. So it's like

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Speaker 4: that's challenging. I just think the Eagles to me are

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Speaker 4: a very weird, weird operation at the moment.

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Speaker 2: All right, in Oh do any other Eagles takes. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's move on because we got a lot to get

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Speaker 2: to the Bears doing business.

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Speaker 1: They sign a four year deal.

873
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: This went down earlier in the weekend, a four year

874
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,879
Speaker 2: contract with cornerback Jalen Johnson, seventy six million, fifty four

875
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: million in guaranteed money, almost forty four due at signing.

876
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: So they had put the franchise tag on Johnson mark

877
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,080
Speaker 2: and now they get a deal done. So you know,

878
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: as the team is in transition, I'm looking more and

879
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 2: more certain that it is Caleb Williams that's the new

880
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 2: face of the franchise.

881
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 1: And I saw some by the way, not.

882
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 2: To get sidetracked, because we will talk Jalen Johnson, but

883
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: I saw I don't know.

884
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 1: I think it was Florio wrote a piece about like.

885
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 2: Oh, what happened with Mac Jones is not a good

886
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: sign for what the Bears will get for Justin Fields.

887
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying just that Justin Fields is going

888
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: to command like a first round pick or whatever. But

889
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: there's a big difference between what Justin Fields has put

890
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,439
Speaker 2: on tape and his situation and what we've seen from

891
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: him both as a player and as a man and

892
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 2: as a teammate, and what Mac Jones showed the last

893
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 2: two years. So let's calm down with that take.

894
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would. I'd also like to hear whispers about actual,

895
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: you know, people feeling around for Justin Fields and having

896
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: true interest in him. I mean that that could be

897
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 4: happening without us knowing. But you're right, they're not the

898
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 4: same player. I mean, if you're Matt Eberflus like you're

899
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 4: you know, you had to move on from Rokwan Smith

900
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: not so long ago, and that was the core centerpiece

901
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 4: of your defense. Goes onto the Ravens to be one

902
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 4: of the better linebackers in the entire league. So at

903
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 4: some point you got so much Caprom and I know

904
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 4: you're rebuilding, but like you got to keep some of

905
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 4: these guys versus having to replace them. So this makes

906
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,720
Speaker 4: a ton of sense to me. And I would say, Greg,

907
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: I think you noted this online at some point, but

908
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 4: that Matt Eberflus, Uh, he's gone through the process that

909
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 4: I think some of these coaches come in where they're

910
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 4: coordinators and like they're a bit pasty, they're not in

911
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 4: front of the camera. But now he's on the thing

912
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 4: where he's looking a little more fit. He's got his

913
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: hair done, he's grown his beard out, and he just

914
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 4: looks about ten times better and more you know, biable

915
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 4: as a head coach.

916
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 3: Well, the Eberflus glow up has been a huge storyline

917
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 3: this offseason. Showed up to the Combine looking good, had

918
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 3: like was at a basketball game with Matt Lafleur and

919
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 3: it was like, hmm, like who's more groomed Tierra. It

920
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 3: was just Ibraflus is coming strong. He's a wacky personality.

921
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 3: Both him and Jalen Johnson timed their career year as well,

922
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,239
Speaker 3: not saying Eberflus is never going to be better, but

923
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:52,760
Speaker 3: like five games into that season, I thought Eberflus is gone.

924
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 1: And you're like, what is the vision here?

925
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 3: And then it all kind of came together in terms

926
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: of his defense really improving, and Jalen Johnson was a huge,

927
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,440
Speaker 3: huge part of that. And I think he was smart.

928
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: He took like fifty five million guarantee. I saw someone

929
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 3: be like, why didn't he just take the franchise tag

930
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: and bet on himself Because it's like, if you have

931
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 3: the option to take fifty five million dollars guaranteed versus twenty, Like,

932
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 3: I don't care that I could make more in the

933
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 3: long run if I didn't take the guarantee.

934
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm taking that guarantee the first time around. It's football.

935
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: He could plan his leg and he could lose his

936
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: ACLMCAL and his meniscus and then he's signing approve it

937
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 2: deal after this sea He's also.

938
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 3: Coming off a career year, Like if he had been

939
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 3: free a free agent a year ago, he would not have.

940
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: Had this contract. So he played the game right. Smart

941
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,399
Speaker 1: man laid it right.

942
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 2: Also playing it right, Ravens defensive tackle Justin Madibuke, who

943
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: signs a four year, ninety eight million dollar contract that

944
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 2: includes over seventy five million in guaranteed money.

945
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: The numbers are huge and.

946
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: The salary cap keeps going up, so it makes sense anyway,

947
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: the former third round pick. This is why the Ravens

948
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: are always good, because they identify a guy like Mattabuke

949
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 2: as a third round pick and now he's an All Pro,

950
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: and now he's paid like an All Pro, which creates

951
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 2: other challenges for the team, but they'll welcome them.

952
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,479
Speaker 3: Patrick said something I think it was on Mina Kimes' show.

953
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 3: That is right, Like the prices always go up with

954
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,439
Speaker 3: these guys though, Like if the Ravens really knew Justin

955
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 3: Mattoweke was this good, they could assign him to a

956
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 3: deal about half this price a year ago, but they

957
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 3: didn't know how he was going to play, and then

958
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: he really exploded. And I like that the franchise tag players,

959
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 3: some of them at least, are actually getting paid instead

960
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 3: of just the tay.

961
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, like I think they're using that correctly. Look, he's

962
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 4: only twenty six, so if we're worried about the Chris

963
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: Jones age thing, this is like sweet spot to hire.

964
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 2: Tyler Lockett also is sticking around, but maybe not a

965
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 2: happy story for him. In the same way, he agrees

966
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: to her structured two year, thirty four million dollar contract.

967
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 2: He gets thirteen million in guaranteed money. That feels like

968
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: to me, GREGI good value for Lockett, who has always

969
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: been I thought, an underrated a receiver, and you already

970
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: have a number one in DK and you couldn't ask

971
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,839
Speaker 2: for much better number two and Tyler who's been very

972
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: good for them for many years.

973
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the Lion has questions, but Gino's got

974
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 3: a nice group of players around him. The fact though,

975
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: that he took a pay cut, you know, indicates to

976
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 3: me like if he wasn't going to take a pay cut,

977
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 3: they would have been ready to move on. But I

978
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: think it was only like a four million dollars pay cut.

979
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: It was good for both sides. One of those guys

980
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 3: that feels like you should be on the same team

981
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: for his entire tenure in the NFL.

982
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 2: Good news for the Dolphins toront Armstead. Their left tackle

983
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: is not retiring. There had been some conversation or some

984
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: speculation and that could be the case. So that is

985
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: not gonna happen, So at least one more year in Miami.

986
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 2: Great news mark for Tua.

987
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 4: I mean, there's a lot of pressure on too, where

988
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 4: there's a lot of players leaving that organization, some of

989
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 4: the been offensive linemen, and like when when Armstead's in there,

990
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: like the offense is completely different. We've talked about this

991
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 4: at nauseam. When he's not in there, like the splits

992
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 4: and what happens to two on some level are are

993
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 4: vastly different. So, yes, this is a key person to

994
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,239
Speaker 4: keep around on a Dolphins team.

995
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 2: In flux eight o'clock, de light hit it Eric Roberts,

996
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 2: which Eric was with us, Go get go Ham with

997
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 2: Eric and Austin, that'd be imagine.

998
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.

999
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: The Rams give thirty two million guaranteed to guard Kevin

1000
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: Dotson Greg Quickie.

1001
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 3: A lot of money for Kevin Dotson that the guards

1002
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,280
Speaker 3: are going to get paid big time in this market.

1003
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,680
Speaker 2: That is a lot of Steelers release Patrick Peterson and

1004
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 2: Alan Robinson, two decorated veterans, well one more than the other.

1005
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: The Raiders resigned center Andre James. They also release Brian Hoyer,

1006
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: who impossibly is.

1007
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: Still in the league.

1008
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 2: The Chiefs resigned Drew Tranquil, and the Bears agree to terms.

1009
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: With Kevin Byard on a two year deal. Anything on

1010
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: that those mark.

1011
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 4: I love the Frank will resigning. I watched Brian Hoyer

1012
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 4: on Good Morning Football week or so ago. Thought he

1013
00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 4: did a nice job. Media job ahead, Oh very nice.

1014
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: The Panthers are going to release center Bradley Boseman. The

1015
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: Packers will release slinebacker Devondre Campbell. Oh fully. Fatukasi signs

1016
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 2: a one year deal with the Texans. I was hoping

1017
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: maybe at Jets reunion there, but that's not the case.

1018
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: Anything on those Greggy.

1019
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 3: M always like me some Fatukasi, but the Jaguars didn't,

1020
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 3: so he couldn't have been playing too well.

1021
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: Alright, man, that's it. We got a little time for

1022
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: once out there. Didn't you redo it?

1023
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 3: The whole time these guards are making they're gonna like

1024
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: any free agent guard, like, there's gonna be a lot

1025
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 3: of guys you've never heard of that are making like

1026
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 3: seventeen million dollars guaranteed.

1027
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 4: Nailed it.

1028
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 2: Bang, What are we doing tonight? We're in Austin. What

1029
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: a great city. I love this place. I have never

1030
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:49,359
Speaker 2: been so I you know we arrived about that. This

1031
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: is my terry is one of my favorite hats I

1032
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 2: go through my whole life. I've had a random hats

1033
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: that become my favorite hat for two years and this

1034
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 2: one is in hitting year one. Just like the look

1035
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 2: of it. I like the shape and the and Matt

1036
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 2: Tant and or old buddy that we used to work

1037
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:07,879
Speaker 2: with at NFL Media who actually works out here now

1038
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 2: we're hoping to see him tonight, recommended this barbecue joint

1039
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: Terry Blacks. So that's an option. I think we need

1040
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 2: to hit up a barbecue place. Any people in the

1041
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 2: Austin area that our listeners please let us know where

1042
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: we should go for some authentic Texas BBQ.

1043
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 4: Where's Marquees as well? No, I'll go, I'll go where

1044
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 4: you and test it out, give it.

1045
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: You will eat the meat at the barbecue.

1046
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 4: It's always it's you know it's a arrive and assess

1047
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: it's an arrive.

1048
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 3: I was selling Mark, I was eating some pigs feet

1049
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 3: down in Korea time Saturday night.

1050
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: Uh, and you're you're leaning into that. That that side

1051
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 2: of Mark where he just sees it. The the just

1052
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 2: the visualization of it being disgusting. There's nothing grosser than

1053
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 2: the idea of a pig's foot being consumed by humans.

1054
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: I mean, Austin barbecue has a kind of ring to it.

1055
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 4: That I think you harks back to ancient times. So

1056
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 4: it's it's it's an easy sell.

1057
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, you mentioned there's a iHeart and we are

1058
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,040
Speaker 2: a part of the our Heart radio network through the NFL.

1059
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 2: So and they've always been very cool with us. So, uh,

1060
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: there's a private party and we're going to see the

1061
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 2: Black Keys. And I've always been you know, a white

1062
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 2: strip sky when it's all you know, black Keys via

1063
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 2: the White Stripes. But I'm gonna have an open mind

1064
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: and and check out the Keys tonight and you know,

1065
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 2: maybe we'll have a couple of drinks, we'll get get

1066
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 2: a little loose, but we need to be also focused, boys,

1067
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: because Free Agency Week is not something that that goes

1068
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 2: to the background just because we have a chance to

1069
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 2: win a major award.

1070
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: No, it's weird timing.

1071
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 3: It's the like, literally the biggest day transaction wise of

1072
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: the NFL calendar.

1073
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 2: In some ways, it feels like the beginning of the

1074
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,000
Speaker 2: end of our show that we would be flying to

1075
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 2: another state in the middle of the country to try

1076
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 2: to win an award.

1077
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: When the this feels like that.

1078
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: Subreddit this feels like that U an entire post about

1079
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 2: this was the point the guys jumped the shark when they.

1080
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: Got We didn't have a choice, right, we got, We

1081
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,239
Speaker 1: got on the plane. We didn't say no.

1082
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 2: We got on the plane to try to win an

1083
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: award at the start of free agency. I think it's

1084
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,720
Speaker 2: telling and I think we should be ashamed. Quite frankly,

1085
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: it's up for translation. We'll be back on Tuesday in

1086
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 2: the studio. No regrets actually, because we could do the

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Speaker 2: job just as well here, and we'll be back, as

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Speaker 2: Greg said, Tuesday, and uh yeah, if we if we

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Speaker 2: do win the award, you'll hear about it. If we

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Speaker 2: lose the award, you'll hear about that too. So thank

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Speaker 2: you for everybody, Thank you everybody for listening to this

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Speaker 2: podcast one. I think we're gonna end doing at least

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Speaker 2: five this week, So if you are looking to stay

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Speaker 2: on top of everything with the new league year, you

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Speaker 2: have found the right podcast.

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Speaker 1: On Till Monday, I mean, I hope.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's possible we're gonna have to do another

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Speaker 2: one in about an hour and a half.

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Speaker 1: The way the league is continues to move things up,

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. All Right, till Monday, hit the

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Speaker 1: car

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