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Speaker 1: Second hour of Clay and Buck.

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Speaker 2: Get's going right now, and our friend Carol Markowitz is

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Speaker 2: in the mix. Oh, Clay had to step away, so

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Speaker 2: it's just gonna be me guys on the host side

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Speaker 2: for the rest of the show. Clay is in Mississippi

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Speaker 2: and he is doing an interview of a sports legend.

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Speaker 2: I had not heard of the fellow before, but apparently

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Speaker 2: very important in the SEC sports world. So that's going on,

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Speaker 2: and I am here with Carol Markowitz in the meantime,

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Speaker 2: and Carol, you know what, First of all, congrats two

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Speaker 2: years this week of the Carol Markwitz program on the

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Speaker 2: Clay and Buck podcast network. So there's a lot of

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Speaker 2: celebration going on all over the place today, a lot

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Speaker 2: of celebrations. Some people are saying a day of celebration.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're gonna look into it. Day of celebration everywhere.

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Speaker 2: But let's actually speaking of Trump kind of. Let's just

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Speaker 2: a few moments ago he said this, This has cut

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Speaker 2: thirty guys on his Gaza piece plan the signing of it.

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Speaker 1: Play this one just.

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Speaker 3: To three thousand years to get to this point?

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Speaker 1: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 3: And it's going to hold up to It's going to

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Speaker 3: hold up.

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Speaker 1: Clay.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Carol, Sorry, please God, Carol, bold talk from

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Speaker 2: mister Trump. But I think a lot of people are

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Speaker 2: saying he's got the hot hand. Don't doubt him.

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Speaker 4: I agree if anybody who's doubting him right now is

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Speaker 4: making a big mistake. I think that he is in

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Speaker 4: a really good position to enforce this piece. I of

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Speaker 4: course worry about what's going to happen in three years

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Speaker 4: when he is out of office. You know, I've been

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Speaker 4: making the Trump twenty twenty eight joke because of this,

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Speaker 4: But it's going to be really tough for anybody to

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Speaker 4: follow in his footsteps and to enforce the piece that

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Speaker 4: he's established. In the Middle East. I think that it

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Speaker 4: is a very hopeful moment. It's a hopeful moment for

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Speaker 4: that whole region. They should take this opportunity that Trump

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Speaker 4: has given them and live peaceful lives.

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Speaker 2: It's a huge moment for the Israeli people today with

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Speaker 2: the return of those there twenty hostages who were still

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Speaker 2: held alive in captivity in Gaza. Carol, I do think, though,

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Speaker 2: it should be noted just how vile it is that

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Speaker 2: there were hostages taken in the first place, that so

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Speaker 2: many of the hostages died in captivity. And also, while

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Speaker 2: I know it's it's joyous for the families to have

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Speaker 4: Yep, it was appalling, and the world was largely silent

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Speaker 4: about it. America was really the bright spot in this

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Speaker 4: and they it really it showed. It showed because when

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Speaker 4: Britain North in France are now trying to take credits

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Speaker 4: way of it at every opportunity, really appalling. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: you're absolutely right. You know, my nine year old at

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Speaker 4: one point during the last two years said to me,

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Speaker 4: why doesn't Israel just take their people and hold them

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Speaker 4: hostage and then they could you know that then they'll understand.

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Speaker 4: And it's so hard to convey to him that civilized

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Speaker 4: isn't kill them in captivity. That is just just it's

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Speaker 4: horrendous to even think about. And the fact that Israel

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Speaker 2: Yes, it seems the Israeli people recognize the well, the

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Speaker 2: incredibly momentous nature of what is going on here.

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Speaker 1: And let's talk about that a bit, because.

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Speaker 2: When you and I haven't gotten into some of the

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Speaker 4: Right, it is hopefully that holds up as well. I

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Speaker 4: the fact that the last two years didn't have to happen.

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Speaker 4: But you're right, the countries in the Middle East need

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Speaker 4: How do we live in peace side by side?

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about the prospects for Hamas being

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Speaker 2: truly pushed aside in all this? One of our callers

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Speaker 4: Right Well, absolutely, if Hamas starts breaking the deal, there's

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Speaker 3: What do they do? Then?

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Speaker 4: What do all the countries that are involved in this

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Speaker 4: Nobody really knows, And I you know, again, I'm hopeful

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Speaker 4: you know, it gets really murky over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, of course, So speaking of Carol Markowitz, hosts of

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Speaker 2: The Carol Markowitz Show and which is two year university

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Speaker 4: It's so hard to say because of that internal struggle

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Speaker 4: and because they've been for so long radicalized to believe

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 4: Iran Twelve Day War was very instrumental in that. I

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Speaker 4: So these countries needed this reality check. It's unfortunate that

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Speaker 4: of the previous things that they've done to harm the

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's the huge mindset shift that we're all hoping

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Speaker 2: So that aspect of it, I think is very much

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Speaker 2: And on the optimistic side of things, I mean, Carol,

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Speaker 4: They have. Yeah, and again this couldn't have happened. A

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Speaker 4: But I still think it was largely on the left.

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Speaker 2: It's the huge historic day Trump's Middle East peace taking effect,

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Speaker 6: Be done to lift up the people themselves. But we

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Speaker 2: For what you amazing, amazing stuff from President Trump in Egypt,

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is really important because we often think of

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Speaker 2: pretty big moves, you know, right, didn't one of them

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Speaker 2: buy Alaska?

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Speaker 1: I mean, there's been some pretty big stuff. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying Marco is not going to get there,

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Speaker 2: but number one for Marco all time, number one, maybe

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Speaker 2: our lifetime, sure, number one all time. We still got

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Speaker 2: a little work to do, you know, There's there's still

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Speaker 2: some things that have to be looked at here. But

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Speaker 2: certainly it has been the administration's team that got us

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Speaker 2: to this point, which is an incredible success. And the

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Speaker 2: fact that you have these other Mid East countries that

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Speaker 2: were willing to tell Hamas you gotta knock this crap

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Speaker 2: off and end this war like enough is enough? Is

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Speaker 2: really indicative. I think of how much the pressure that

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Speaker 2: Trump's team was bringing to bear had borne fruit, how

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Speaker 2: much this was really moving the ball downfield because Cutter,

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Speaker 2: as you know, these really has launched a strike, and

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Speaker 2: Cutter then Trump had the hole, come on, you gotta apologize.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Trump has been the guy in the bar

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Speaker 2: here who is holding back two guys who have really

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Speaker 2: bloodied each other up. And one of them started it,

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Speaker 2: and some us one of them is responsible for the fight.

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Speaker 2: But he was able to stand in between these combatants

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Speaker 2: and say, all right, you're gonna knock this off. And hey,

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Speaker 2: you if they knock it off, you're willing, You're willing

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Speaker 2: to let it go right, you know, we're gonna stop

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Speaker 2: this thing. And you needed that, you needed that to

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Speaker 2: get us to this point. But that term would for example,

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Speaker 2: Turkey is way too favorable toward Hamas for a whole

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Speaker 2: bunch of reasons, but that Turkey was going to say,

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Speaker 2: if you don't agree to this deal, we're you're on

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Speaker 2: your own. Basically, Turkey was telling Hamas, we're cutting you loose.

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Speaker 2: That's a big for people who have been following the

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Speaker 2: region another that's big stuff. You know, Hamas has been

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Speaker 2: far too willing, or rather Turkey has been far too

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Speaker 2: willing to be there in support of Hamas through through

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Speaker 2: thick and thin. Finally it got to be too thin,

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Speaker 2: finally got to be too much. So this campaign that

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Speaker 2: got the final the final really surrender. It's Hamas is surrendered.

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Speaker 2: It's a surrender with guarantees, but surrender is what this

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Speaker 2: is and that's.

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Speaker 1: What it should be. Uh.

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Speaker 2: The the members of Hamas who are still alive should

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Speaker 2: consider themselves lucky. I know Hamas is a death and

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Speaker 2: they love sending other people to die and to kill

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Speaker 2: as many innocent Israelis and Jews as possible. I know

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Speaker 2: that's what Hamas really is at its core, but it's

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Speaker 2: still for the leadership that somehow doesn't like to die.

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Speaker 2: The Hamas leadership, they don't like to be suicide bombers.

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Speaker 2: They would have sent other people to be suicide bombers.

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Speaker 2: But for Hamas leadership, they should count themselves very lucky,

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Speaker 2: very fortunate that they still have their lives at the

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Speaker 2: end of this because Israel would have been well within

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Speaker 2: its rights. And really, I have argued from the beginning,

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Speaker 2: Israel had an obligation to wipe Hamas out after what

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Speaker 2: they did on October seventh, and a moral obligation to

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Speaker 2: the Israeli people and to the world. To the degree

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Speaker 2: there isn't international community, to humanity, Israel had an obligation,

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Speaker 2: a moral and ethical one as well as just a

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Speaker 2: national security imperative, to hunt Hamas down, and they have

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Speaker 2: done so, and they have been incredibly effective as well

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Speaker 2: as ethical in that process. That does not mean perfect.

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Speaker 2: War is never perfect. There will always be civilian casualties.

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Speaker 2: There's always going to be collateral damage to a city.

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Speaker 2: But now even it will become more clear than ever.

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Speaker 2: The people who were telling you that there was mass

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Speaker 2: starvation in Gaza as a result of Israeli policy were lying.

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Speaker 2: The people who are saying that Israel was engaged in

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Speaker 2: a genocide, we're lying. This is going to become even

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Speaker 2: more clear in the days ahead. Those voices are just

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Speaker 2: going to try to fade, I might add, they're going

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Speaker 2: to fade, and you're going to hear a lot less

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Speaker 2: of them. But what they were saying was a slander,

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Speaker 2: and it.

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Speaker 1: Was morally.

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Speaker 2: Obtuse, it was decrepit, it was disgraceful, and that is

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Speaker 2: what they were doing intentionally during a time of war,

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Speaker 2: to confuse as much as they could America as an

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Speaker 2: ally of Israel in this process. This was always very

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Speaker 2: clear to me and to Clay, and to Clay's immense credit,

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Speaker 2: I know he's away for the rest of the show today.

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Speaker 2: We never coordinated response. We never had to say, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we're going to be disagreeing or agreeing on

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Speaker 2: this or anything like that. From the moment October seventh

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Speaker 2: happened forward, we saw this through the same moral lens,

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Speaker 2: and I think that's I have obviously an international relations

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Speaker 2: national security background, but Clay's just a very high IQ,

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Speaker 2: high wattage guy, and also with a very clear sense

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Speaker 2: of right and wrong. And so we never had static

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Speaker 2: on this show. We never had a sense of, oh,

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Speaker 2: but maybe Israel has gone too far, or maybe Israel

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Speaker 2: is engaged in a genocide. That never and you know this,

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Speaker 2: you who have been listening for these two years, that

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Speaker 2: never entered into our conscious on the show for one second.

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Speaker 2: And we followed this as closely as we could from

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Speaker 2: Afar and Clay went to get ground truth in Israel,

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Speaker 2: as you know, last December. But and I'm very proud

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Speaker 2: of that. And as I've been saying, I've had a

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Speaker 2: lot of people come up who are listeners to the show.

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Speaker 2: And I have a tremendous number of conservative Miami Beach

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Speaker 2: American Jews who listen to this show. I know because

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Speaker 2: when I'm walking the streets, they come up with me

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Speaker 2: and the first thing they say is great show. The

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Speaker 2: second thing they say is thank you for standing with

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Speaker 2: Israel and not.

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Speaker 1: Not you know, abandoning would be extreme, but even being

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Speaker 1: a bit wishy washy on it, you know.

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Speaker 2: Even getting to a place where you start, oh, I'm

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Speaker 2: just asking questions. You know, is really the good guy here?

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Speaker 2: Or is the idea of really justified? Is no none

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Speaker 2: of that nonsense here for one second? And now that

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Speaker 2: this conflict is over, I think people will be able

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Speaker 2: to look back on it with even more factual clarity

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Speaker 2: about who was accurate and who was playing propaganda with

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Speaker 2: this stuff. So these are all important considerations. These are

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Speaker 2: all things that I want us to remember as we

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Speaker 2: move forward, and we will continue to cover this and

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Speaker 2: look to see what happens with Hamas and look to

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Speaker 2: see what regional players want. A more stable and prosperous

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Speaker 2: at least. But this is the question of the moment.

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Speaker 2: Are there Muslim majority Arab countries, including now perhaps a

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Speaker 2: majority of the Palestinian people, who want their lives to

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Speaker 2: be about whether their kids are able to pick the

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Speaker 2: careers they want, build the families they want, and have

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Speaker 2: the futures that they want, or is it going to

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Speaker 2: be you know, suicide bombers, a la huac bar and

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Speaker 2: all the other nonsense and atrocities that we have seen

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Speaker 2: for decades. That's really what it comes down to. This

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Speaker 2: is a choice. The Israeli stand on the other side

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Speaker 2: of is willing to say, okay, we can move forward

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Speaker 2: with that positive, with that prosperous future, and America and

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Speaker 2: other partners here are willing to be.

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Speaker 1: There in assistance to.

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Speaker 2: Build a Gaza where the lights stay on, the water's

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Speaker 2: clean to drink, the.

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Speaker 1: You know, the the businesses can flourish and we can

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Speaker 1: do that.

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Speaker 2: You know, Gaza can be I'm on, Gaza can be

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Speaker 2: a safe, you know, reasonably happy and prosperous place. And

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Speaker 2: everywhere has their challenges, but you know, there's an old

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Speaker 2: joke about and I say this, I've been to Jordan,

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Speaker 2: and I think the Jordanians are great people and they're

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Speaker 2: actually great allies to America too. But people joke around

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Speaker 2: that it's the hash of my Kingdom of boredom because

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Speaker 2: not a lot goes on there. Now, that's unfair, and

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Speaker 2: there's Petro and there's a lot of cool stuff, but

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Speaker 2: there's a very low crime rate in I'm on. So

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Speaker 2: it's really with praise in a sense that it's boring.

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Speaker 2: It's a very low crime rate and generally a stable place.

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Speaker 1: Gaza could be a.

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Speaker 2: Stable, reasonable place too. It does not have to be

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Speaker 2: some terrorist hellhole, doesn't have to be that. And now

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Speaker 2: maybe maybe that can happen, and it will be because

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Speaker 3: I wanted to just comment right now, no one's talking

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Speaker 3: to have this Board of peace, what is it? What

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Speaker 3: function of the does the u N serve anymore? Uh now,

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Speaker 3: Jimmy obviously NATO?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and these are these are all great questions. And

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Speaker 2: I think that the answer is the u N is

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Speaker 2: a little bit like a little bit like the Emmys.

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Speaker 2: Now you know, it exists, and maybe people are somewhat

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Speaker 2: happy knowing that it exists for some reason. And we

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Speaker 2: could debate that, but it doesn't really matter and it

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Speaker 2: doesn't really do anything. So I think I think that's

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Speaker 2: increasingly where people are on the United Nations. It's a

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Speaker 2: place where people gather to pointlessly talk about things that

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Speaker 2: they won't change. Meanwhile, President Trump, who so much of

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Speaker 2: the un faithful have had nasty things to say about

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Speaker 2: over the years, President Trump.

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Speaker 1: Is getting further along and getting more results.

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Speaker 2: Than any UN bureaucrat or any UN consortium really has

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Speaker 2: in decades. So yeah, we'll talk more about this, my friends.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you more of the details of this deal,

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Speaker 2: more of Trump's speeches from today, which are fantastic. Give

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Speaker 2: me a wonderful third hour of the show. Make sure

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Speaker 2: you stick around for it. I'll be right back