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Speaker 1: figure this out. Okay, welcome back to this show, and

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Of course you're feeling better. Last

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Speaker 2: Too many strokes. You know, it's been a it's been

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Speaker 2: an interesting journey because it's not just it's over and

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Speaker 2: medication really has been a roller coaster. Like you feel

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Speaker 2: you know, interesting.

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Speaker 1: It is very I you know, we talk. You and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I talk a lot because we just we have

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Speaker 3: They're like, so, what.

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Speaker 1: Do you do, Like, what do you do for money?

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Speaker 2: How do you get paid? And what do you get

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Speaker 1: Which is always a good question. You know, you know,

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Speaker 1: We The first answer is we have this radio show

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah we are. Today, we'll play tonight.

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Speaker 2: And you know you that it's hard for you to explain,

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Speaker 1: And we have different topics right now, we're running two topics.

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Speaker 1: So then we take phone calls. People call in, but

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Speaker 2: Well, two things. I think that now you're speaking of

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Speaker 1: But he's also he's also truly obedient, perfectly obedient to

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Speaker 1: the Father, sinless, sinless as a man. So that's what

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Speaker 1: separates him as a man us as a man. He

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Speaker 1: was sinless, perfectly obedient to the Father. So truly man going.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to, but truly obedient going, but I

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Speaker 1: must and I will.

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Speaker 2: So he wouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: He wouldn't be truly man if he goes. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: gonna it's gonna hurt. But you know, I don't really care.

446
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Speaker 1: I'm God, I'm God. I could do it. That's right,

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Speaker 1: That's that's not biblical.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: Remember I said, if you open the Bible and you

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Speaker 1: you just crack it open and there's the Psalms. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's let me show you what I accidentally. I was

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Speaker 1: kind of scanning in a second ago. So what did

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Speaker 1: I accidentally open up to Psalm sixty nine And it's

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Speaker 1: it's the subtitle for this. The heading is save me,

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Speaker 1: Oh God, Verse one, Save me, Oh God, For the

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Speaker 1: waters have come up to my neck. I sink in

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Speaker 1: deep mire where there is no foothold. I've come into

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Speaker 1: deep waters and the floodsweeps over me. I am weary

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Speaker 1: with my crying out. My throat is parched, my eyes

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Speaker 1: grow dim with waiting for my God. And it goes

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Speaker 1: on and on.

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Speaker 3: This this is.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sixty nine is thirty six verses and we

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Speaker 1: see the crying out. So, so, Colin, before we say

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Speaker 1: anything else, use the psngs. They are a gift from

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Speaker 1: God to you to use that language of crying out.

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Speaker 1: And and when you're crying out to God in this way,

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Speaker 1: you are being faithful because you're not you're not turning

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Speaker 1: away from God. You're turning to Him as a child

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Speaker 1: to his father, saying help me, help me, Please, help me.

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Speaker 1: And it's a perfect prayer. So now let's get let's

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Speaker 1: get practical with Colin. Here there's a lot of I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to do do do, and there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: trust in what he's doing. Yeah, And there I don't

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Speaker 1: see much language of submission, surrender, humility. And so many

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Speaker 1: times we find ourselves on a spot of what can

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Speaker 1: I do more? Because I feel like I'm anxious, I

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Speaker 1: feel like I'm hopeless, I feel like my faith is weak.

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Speaker 3: So what do I do? Do? Do? Do?

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Speaker 1: Do? And at some level you could say do less,

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Speaker 1: surrender and do less submit to the Lord Jesus and

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Speaker 1: do less and let what you have done in obedience

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Speaker 1: be the kindling to the fire that the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 1: will burn. And I could say that by looking at

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Speaker 1: a couple of things. You're praying morning and not, you're

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Speaker 1: reading the Bible, great, going to church, listening to sermons.

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Speaker 1: So let those things, let that kindling burn with the

488
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Speaker 1: Holy Spirit. Let let let let the fire consume all

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Speaker 1: of these things and ignite you. And so this is

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Speaker 1: kind of like I always think about Karate Kid wax

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Speaker 1: On wax Off, Like you've been doing the things. Now

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Speaker 1: show me punch. Yeah, you know, show me block, because

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Speaker 1: let let this stuff work for you now because you've

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Speaker 1: done your spiritual disciplines. So you go to church, show

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Speaker 1: me show me peace and hope and rest from church.

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Speaker 1: From from wax On wax Off, show me block. So

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Speaker 1: show me peace, hope, rest love from church. Who what

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Speaker 1: do you got? Well, I've got Bob who said if

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Speaker 1: you ever need anything, call.

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Speaker 3: Me call him.

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Speaker 1: He said, Hey, you want to go to coffee sometime,

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Speaker 1: how about Wednesday, Bob.

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Speaker 3: I'm struggling.

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Speaker 1: I'm struggling, brother, I I'm doing this and this and this,

505
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Speaker 1: and I feel like I'm doubting I've came out of

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Speaker 1: this relationship.

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Speaker 3: And let Bob love you through Christ. You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you've been doing your reading. You've been reading to

509
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Speaker 1: McShane playing show me, Yeah, show me hope through your reading.

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Speaker 1: You know, I saw I'm sixty nine. Did you read

511
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Speaker 1: it this morning? Did you cry out to God? Did

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Speaker 1: your eyes get wet when you read this?

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Speaker 3: And God? This is me?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Lord, restore me.

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Speaker 2: Are you praying the word? We talked about that in

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Speaker 2: a couple of us.

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Speaker 1: Well, when you're praying, you're praying every morning, show me

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Speaker 1: rest from your prayer. Yeah, show show me a peace

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Speaker 1: in your heart from your prayer. You know so great,

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Speaker 1: it's great you have these routines. Yeah, but now use

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Speaker 1: that kindling to ignite the fire of the Holy Spirit

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Speaker 1: within you.

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Speaker 2: And I understand this. I mean I understand the rotness

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Speaker 2: of just checking boxes. I read today, Great, I pray today.

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Speaker 2: I did it. You know, Okay, I checked all the

527
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Speaker 2: boxes and I still feel no peace. I understand that

528
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Speaker 2: because it's not You're not it's not being practical in

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Speaker 2: your life. It's a box. Cha. Hey I cleaned my room.

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Speaker 2: Hey I took a shower. You know, it's just a box. Checked,

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Speaker 2: and it's got to move past being a checking a

532
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Speaker 2: box into becoming fabric of your life. And I'll tell

533
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Speaker 2: you those really only come from trials. The trials are

534
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Speaker 2: what make it and weave it into your life. That

535
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Speaker 2: take the words, and the trial is the needle, and

536
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Speaker 2: the word is the thread, and it starts threading it

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Speaker 2: through parts of your life that didn't connect before. And

538
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Speaker 2: all of a sudden you're like, man, that hurt. But

539
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Speaker 2: look look what was knitted together after it. Yeah, and

540
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Speaker 2: we don't want those like, we don't desire to get

541
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Speaker 2: up in the morning and go, excellent, what trial we

542
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Speaker 2: got today? I'm ready to hit it. It is a

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Speaker 2: prayer in a garden going I see this coming? Is

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Speaker 2: there another way it's not okay? Well, I know you're

545
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Speaker 2: beside me. Yeah, here we go.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna be fine, good man, it's good.

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Speaker 1: We we train, and we train, and we train with

548
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Speaker 1: spiritual disciplines. Paul says, temp to Timothy, train yourself for godliness.

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Speaker 1: But at some point training turns into the actual doing.

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Speaker 2: What are you training for?

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Speaker 1: And so let the training do its work, Let let

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Speaker 1: it take you, and and may that's lost it. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: in the routine of it that the Lord. The Lord

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Speaker 1: uses these things certainly.

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Speaker 2: Because what you know, football season getting ready to start.

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Speaker 2: If you just practice, you just show up to two

557
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Speaker 2: a days and that's all you ever do, Okay, But

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Speaker 2: then you play the game. Yeah, that's where the magic happens.

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Speaker 2: So magic is probably the wrong word to use, but

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Speaker 2: you know that's where it's like, oh, yeah, this is

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Speaker 2: why we did that play thirty two times the other day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's exist right.

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Speaker 1: You know, you could be on the side line of

564
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Speaker 1: the first game or a big game and you go,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready. I don't feel good.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if and you go, how long did

567
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Speaker 1: you train? Six months? Every single day. I was out

568
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Speaker 1: there monotonously training, training, training, trust the training.

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Speaker 2: This might I don't know if this fits. Let me see,

570
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Speaker 2: I'll say it and you tell me if it does.

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Speaker 2: I think it was Mike Tyson that said everybody has

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Speaker 2: a plan until they get punched in the face.

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Speaker 3: Yeah that's right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So yeah, everybody has what they've been working on

575
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Speaker 2: until tragedy hits. Yeah, and then what is it that

576
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Speaker 2: actually sank in and planeted itself?

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Speaker 3: You know, the Lord does it the Lord will do it.

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Speaker 3: The Lord will deliver. Trust in him.

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Speaker 2: You mentioned that too about church, just you know about

580
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Speaker 2: what BA who you know, said, is there anything you need?

581
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Speaker 2: That's something I didn't get into when we talked about

582
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Speaker 2: me having a stroke, was that it really opened my

583
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: eyes to the important I knew it was important. Church

584
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: was important. I knew that small group was important. With

585
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Speaker 2: the people that have in my group, it proved itself.

586
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: It was game day when I had my stroke, and

587
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: it was like, oh, text after text, when can we

588
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Speaker 2: bring you dinner? Hey, I'm outside. Hey, I've got gift

589
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: cards for you to go eat wherever you want, when

590
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Speaker 2: you want to eat, and how you know, it was

591
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Speaker 2: showing up texts people that are that don't even live here,

592
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Speaker 2: that checked in every day, that knew the situation and asked,

593
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Speaker 2: you know, how are you feeling today, what are you

594
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Speaker 2: working on today? What are they giving you today? What

595
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Speaker 2: have they told you about your situation today? And it

596
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Speaker 2: was like in some of those, you know, the majority

597
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Speaker 2: of those were from my church, some of them were

598
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Speaker 2: people are not at church. I just know. And it

599
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Speaker 2: was like, I think we're closer than I thought we were,

600
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Speaker 2: and I thought we were fast than we actually were

601
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Speaker 2: with some others. You know, well, praise the Lord.

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Speaker 1: And that's also evidence that you and Ashley were not

603
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Speaker 1: just consumers of the church, but you were serving. You

604
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: were you were knitted into the fellowship as a family,

605
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Speaker 1: which is a church. The gathering is a covenant of

606
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Speaker 1: people that have got that have been, that have been

607
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Speaker 1: gathered by the Holy Spirit together to meet in one

608
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Speaker 1: place and each each member serving the other member with

609
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Speaker 1: the gift that they've been given. You don't have to

610
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Speaker 1: do that. You could easily just be a consumer. Come

611
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Speaker 1: in late, sit in the back, consume the message, and

612
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Speaker 1: then leave and you're gone for six days, come back,

613
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the week, and do

614
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Speaker 1: it again. It is that there is not ever the

615
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Speaker 1: way that church it was designed, and you're not. And

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Speaker 1: when trials happened, you'll know which one you've done, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: For sure, and I'll tell you it wasn't us. Just

618
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Speaker 2: being coming members of our church was a big step

619
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Speaker 2: because of history. And I know there's a lot of

620
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Speaker 2: people that have a history of being burned or hurt

621
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Speaker 2: by someone in the church or what they perceive as

622
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Speaker 2: the church, whether it be a pastor or a member

623
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Speaker 2: or something like that. And you know, I was in

624
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Speaker 2: that situation in from my previous marriage and and I

625
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Speaker 2: was like, you know, I'll i'll keep everybody, I'll still go,

626
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Speaker 2: I'll still worship, but everybody's at arm's length, you know. Okay,

627
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Speaker 2: that's good to see. By shake hands, then it'd be

628
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Speaker 2: about it. And I remember us being in Israel because

629
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Speaker 2: I did the pre membership class before I left, and

630
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Speaker 2: then we went to Israel in February, and while we

631
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Speaker 2: were there, it was a topic that came up. I

632
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: was talking about it, like I'm nervous. I'm nervous about

633
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Speaker 2: actually pulling the trigger and becoming a member of a

634
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 2: church again, because wow, it wasn't fun last time, and

635
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: I don't know how much I really trust. And it took,

636
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: you know, took a lot of prayer, and it took

637
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: a lot of great conversations with you and Amber and

638
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: and Ashley and I talking about it as well, and

639
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: then then praying with our pastor and getting involved. And

640
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: it took humility again, it took vulnerability again, and it

641
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 2: was you know it it showed, oh, this is how

642
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: it's supposed to work. And it really showed itself during

643
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: that time and you know, it's something I didn't get

644
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 2: to talk I didn't talk about when we talked about

645
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: on that stroke podcast. But it's something that I it

646
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 2: was it should have been taught because it was. It

647
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Speaker 2: was right up. There's like I didn't know how close

648
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: we were and how much I needed this and how

649
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,360
Speaker 2: and also how much I can be involved and should

650
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Speaker 2: be involved moving forward into other people's lives, you know,

651
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Speaker 2: putting that as a priority in my life to check

652
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Speaker 2: in on others when I know that they're going through stuff,

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Speaker 2: and to and to pour into them. And you know,

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Speaker 2: we literally just a few uh a few weeks later,

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Speaker 2: we're in a in a smaller group that are all ages.

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Speaker 2: I say all ages. It goes from I think there's

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Speaker 2: some people that are in their twenties to people in

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Speaker 2: their seventies in our group. In our group, and one

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Speaker 2: of them had a surgery and I was like, I

660
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Speaker 2: was excited not about the surgery, but to give back

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Speaker 2: getting to pour into them. They were there when I

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Speaker 2: was sitting in the hospital and to be able to go, oh,

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Speaker 2: not not about you know Tiki tak now, oh you

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Speaker 2: did that, I'll do this. It was Oh, I get

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Speaker 2: to I get to do this prison, because I know

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Speaker 2: how it felt, I know how where I was. I

667
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Speaker 2: don't know where we were and what that meant when

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Speaker 2: they came and visited us and just met us where

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Speaker 2: we were, and being able to do that is just

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Speaker 2: that you don't. Yeah, you can do that with friends,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, but you just don't have that if you

672
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Speaker 2: don't have a community in church.

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Speaker 3: You don't.

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Speaker 1: The Lord blesses us in such unique ways through the

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Speaker 1: gathering of his people that you can't get alone.

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Speaker 3: He can't get as.

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Speaker 2: A monk, bearing one another's burdens, confessing.

678
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Speaker 3: All the one another passages in the Bible.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely one another, do this, one another, do this one another,

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Speaker 1: do this together, do this along with Over and over

681
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Speaker 1: and over in the Bible, we see this. You can't

682
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Speaker 1: do it alone. You shouldn't do it alone. In fact,

683
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Speaker 1: you can't do it alone.

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Speaker 2: And here's the deal. He'll prove it to you. You'll

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Speaker 2: cook along and you'll be fine, maybe for months or

686
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Speaker 2: years or decades, and it'll be like something happened to you.

687
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Speaker 2: This is what I was talking about. Yeah, when I

688
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Speaker 2: told you you can't do it alone.

689
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Speaker 1: I was the other way. I was for decades a

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Speaker 1: consumer of church.

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Speaker 2: Didn't know it at the time, but it was you know,

692
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Speaker 2: how's it fitting into my plan in my life? Yeah, yeah, okay,

693
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Speaker 2: I'll take a little piece of that and put it in. Okay, cool,

694
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Speaker 2: I've checked a box and yeah, yeah, absolutely, that's that's

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Speaker 2: the majority of American church.

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Speaker 1: I understand that starting a new business can be intimidating.

697
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Speaker 1: It could be lonely in some aspects. You suddenly feel

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Speaker 1: like you're uneducated, and you got to learn so many

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Speaker 1: things about business when you came in with just one

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Speaker 1: specific idea.

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Speaker 3: Now you're not alone in that. When I started in the.

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Speaker 1: Music business or in the apparel business, I just wanted

703
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Speaker 1: to make music, write songs, and sell T shirts. I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to get into learning how to run an

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Speaker 1: e commerce store and how to do a credit card

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Speaker 1: until I found Shopify. Shopify is the commerce platform behind

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Speaker 1: millions of businesses around the world and ten percent of

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Speaker 1: all e commerce in the US, including EEE apparel. You

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Speaker 3: You could easily create email.

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Speaker 1: And social media campaigns wherever your customers are scrolling or strolling.

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Speaker 1: And best yet, Shopify is your e commerce expert when

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Speaker 1: slash granger. If you're trying to get a gift for

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Speaker 1: someone that you think has everything, how about a special

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Speaker 1: video message from me.

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Speaker 3: It's easy to do.

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Speaker 1: Go to cameo dot com slash granger smith and you

733
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Speaker 1: put in the prompt what you want me to say.

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Speaker 1: I get that message on my phone. I'll say happy birthday,

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Speaker 1: happy anniversary, whatever personalized message you want me to say

736
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Speaker 1: to whoever you want me to say it to I

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Speaker 1: send it to you and you give it to them.

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Speaker 3: It's pretty cool.

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Speaker 1: Go to cameo dot com slash granger Smith.

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Speaker 3: OK, how about this big one about Trump? Here?

741
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Speaker 2: You ready to get political?

742
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Speaker 1: Hey guys, my name is Cody. I'm from Wheeland Springs, Arkansas.

743
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: Listen to 'alls podcast every week when I'm feeding my

744
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,279
Speaker 1: goats parentheses. One of them is named Bacon, even though

745
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: he's not a pig anyway. I'm not the smartest guy.

746
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up learning much about the Bible or politics,

747
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: but I've been trying to get my life right lately.

748
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: So here's my question. I'm kind of nervous to even

749
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: ask this, but is Donald Trump the anti Christ? I

750
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Speaker 1: heard someone say on Facebook and that really freaked me out.

751
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: He says, I know you'll talk about end times and

752
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that sometimes, but I wanted to hear your thoughts.

753
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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be disrespectful or political. I just

754
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Speaker 1: genuinely don't know and it's been bugging me. Thank you

755
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: for reading this. I hope it's okay to ask Cody.

756
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Speaker 1: Thanks Cody.

757
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Speaker 2: If I was I would be the best anti Christ.

758
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Speaker 2: The best. That's a terrible impersonation.

759
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 3: I know if I was going to be really good.

760
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Speaker 2: I was asked the other day what the anti Christ

761
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 2: hair would look like.

762
00:40:54,640 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: That's actually really good, I would be that is amazing. Okay,

763
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: next question, No, I'm just kidding.

764
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:05,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get it roasted for that. Bring him on.

765
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: That's terrible.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, it's it is a good question. And and

767
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Speaker 1: I appreciate we you know, you and I have heard

768
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Speaker 1: this many times.

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Speaker 3: It's not this is well.

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Speaker 1: We've heard so many things about Trump. He's so polarizing

771
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: that he draws all the the analogies. We did the

772
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: show here Did God Save Trump? Because of the bullet

773
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Speaker 1: And the other day I was on I was on

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Speaker 1: another show and the lady. The lady like wanted to

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Speaker 1: talk specifically about that episode.

776
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Speaker 2: Was that a podcast or was that he I think.

777
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Speaker 1: It was here, Yeah, did God Save Trump? I think

778
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Speaker 1: you were on it. We talked about, you know, God's sovereignty.

779
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was Marshall was with me on that,

780
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Speaker 1: but but either way, she wanted to specifically get into that,

781
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, I don't. I don't remember

782
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: exactly what we said, but but it's it's just evidence

783
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Speaker 1: that he is so all rizing that people will really oh,

784
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Speaker 1: I mean, they'll probably put he's the savior too. We

785
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Speaker 1: could probably have just the biggest argument is is is

786
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Speaker 1: trump Christ?

787
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we see the Messiah to save.

788
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: The world, and then on the other side, is see

789
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: the anti Christ man to be one man that draws

790
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Speaker 1: in modern history, that draws those kind of questions is

791
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Speaker 1: crazy the times we live in. But yeah, let's dive

792
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Speaker 1: into it. Let's define anti Christ biblically.

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Speaker 3: So let's go to.

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Speaker 2: Let's go to first John.

795
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Speaker 1: First John speaks of it specifically, and there's other places

796
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Speaker 1: in the Bible, but John's pretty specific here. First John

797
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Speaker 1: two eighteen children, it is the last hour, as you

798
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Speaker 1: have heard, that anti Christ is coming. So now many

799
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Speaker 1: anti christ have come. Therefore we know that it is

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Speaker 1: the last hour. They went out from us, but they

801
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Speaker 1: were not of us. For if they had been of us,

802
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: they would have continued with us. But they went out

803
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Speaker 1: that it might become plain that they were not of us.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so.

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Speaker 1: Let's go don verse twenty two. Who is the liar?

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Speaker 1: But the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ.

807
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Speaker 1: This is the anti Christ. He who denies the Father

808
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Speaker 1: and the Son. So what we see right off the

809
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Speaker 1: bat from John is that the anti Christ, according to

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Speaker 1: this passage is not one singular future figure. I know

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Speaker 1: a lot of people hold that view that he is

812
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 1: one guy and he is coming. But here the way

813
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: John's speaking of him, and this is the time you

814
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Speaker 1: hear that anti Christ a n t I. You know,

815
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Speaker 1: Christ though against Christ basically is what that means. It's

816
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Speaker 1: it is a it is a spirit. It is it

817
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Speaker 1: is a spirit of many of those who deny that

818
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Speaker 1: Jesus is the Christ. That is the spirit of the

819
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Speaker 1: anti Christ instead of being one. You know, let's go

820
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Speaker 1: to chapter four the same book, verse three. Every spirit,

821
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Speaker 1: that's where I got that from. Every spirit that does

822
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Speaker 1: not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the

823
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Speaker 1: spirit of the anti Christ. That's a lower case s.

824
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Speaker 1: This is the spirit in general sense of a spirit

825
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Speaker 1: of the anti Christ, which you heard was coming and

826
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Speaker 1: now is in the world already. This is John speaking.

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Speaker 2: In the world, already, in the world already four thousand

828
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Speaker 2: years ago. Well two or I'm sorry too, that yeah,

829
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: sorry that yeah, yeah, two thousand years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So.

831
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Speaker 2: Already.

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Speaker 1: So what John is saying here and anyone could could

833
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Speaker 1: could go here with me, and there's gonna be a

834
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Speaker 1: lot of content.

835
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Speaker 3: There's gonna be some.

836
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Speaker 1: Huge disagreements on this, which is okay, I'm not I'm

837
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Speaker 1: actually not trying to put my heels on the ground

838
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Speaker 1: and and say this is dogmatically what you know, this

839
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Speaker 1: is where we stand on this. I'm just trying to

840
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Speaker 1: to show show that basically John is putting this as

841
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Speaker 1: a category, not a person, Yes, a category of what

842
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,879
Speaker 1: the anti Christ, the spirit of anti Christ is. It's

843
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: the denial of Christ, not not one person that does

844
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Speaker 1: it right. The Westminster Confession, this is fascinating, historically has

845
00:45:52,920 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: identified the office of the papacy as Antichrist. Wow, like

846
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: a pope, the pope, all of them, all of them,

847
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,919
Speaker 1: the office, all of them.

848
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Speaker 3: As the anti Christ is the opposite.

849
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Speaker 2: Interesting and so then you could you talk about comments.

850
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is that is not political, that's theological.

851
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

852
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: So this is not that they're not looking at the

853
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: papacy as the politicians, but the theologians, and they have

854
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: denied Christ, according to the Westminster Confession, have denied.

855
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,320
Speaker 3: Christ through their.

856
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: Through their their alteration of the Gospel, which is making

857
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: it a gospel of addition to faith in Christ. You

858
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: must do the addition to the authority of Christ, addition

859
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: to the to the faith alone in Christ. There's other aspects.

860
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: I don't want to go. I don't want to get

861
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: into that. I'm just simply saying it's interesting that the

862
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: Westminster Confession has identified the office of the Papacy as

863
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: anti Christ and not the anti Christ, just Antichrist. Yes,

864
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: because of the the plurality of it. Okay, I don't

865
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: want to get too complicated.

866
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Speaker 2: Here, and it and it can very quickly, and it's

867
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Speaker 2: you know, some of it is even you know, we'll

868
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Speaker 2: take study and detail to you know. But just for

869
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Speaker 2: the question of his Donald Trump, I think you can

870
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Speaker 2: identify some things of what the and the category of

871
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Speaker 2: Antichrist is and compare those two him and and you

872
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: know what you not what you think about him, but

873
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 2: what is proof about him? How about that? Yeah? I

874
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 2: mean the biggest thing is that he is Donald Trump

875
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 2: is not a theological figure. He's a political.

876
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a political He's said he's said a few things,

877
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, he says the prayer, he says things about Christ.

878
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: But no one would consider him a theologian.

879
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 2: And there's no evident that he denies christ incarnation either,

880
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 2: you know, and that is a is or the person

881
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: in uh Christ's incarnation or the person of Christ in

882
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 2: the specific way that John defines anti Christ.

883
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: We're not saying we're sure he's a Christian, or we're

884
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: not saying anything.

885
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 2: Not professing what he has or has not professed himself.

886
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: You know he has, of course he has. I mean,

887
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: if you just want to single out him and say

888
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 2: he has moral fair failures, yes, yes.

889
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: What we're talking about, yes, yes.

890
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 2: Absolutely, have you yep, just take a second and analyze

891
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:47,439
Speaker 2: these and break them down. We all have so yes, Okay, Uh,

892
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 2: he's boastful, prideful, sure, you know, but that that does

893
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: not fulfill this biblical definition of anti Christ when it comes.

894
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: You know. I think even in second John chapter one,

895
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 2: I say this because many deceivers have gone out into

896
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 2: the world, they deny that Jesus Christ came in a

897
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: real body. Have you heard that from him?

898
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 3: No?

899
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 1: I have not.

900
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 2: And listen if you're like, hey, we're just talking about

901
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 2: Trump Ron, sure I have also not. Have not heard

902
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 2: Joe Biden or Obama do that either. We're just talking

903
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: about these group of people that you kind of put

904
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: in a right and left side. I haven't heard either

905
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 2: side of these people say that that Christ did not

906
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:37,399
Speaker 2: come in any human body. Yeah, So, I mean it's

907
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: those are definitions of what John has been talking about.

908
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: Such a person is a deceiver and an anti Christ.

909
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 2: And I think it's out of too when we think

910
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 2: of everybody thinks of revelation when they think of Antichrist,

911
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 2: because we're talking about the end, the end of the

912
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 2: world as we know it and Armageddon and what have you.

913
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 2: Out of that, and tell me if I'm wrong on this.

914
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 2: This is how I imagine it is that this person

915
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: that comes into power comes out of this category of Antichrist.

916
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's yeah, denies in a general sense, absolutely,

917
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 1: and then.

918
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 2: Says look at me, I am God. Yeah, you know.

919
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,960
Speaker 2: Then that would be the anti Christ, but came out

920
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 2: of the category of Antichrists.

921
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 3: Which is Satan correct.

922
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 2: Correct.

923
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 1: So let's all like to get to flipped here to

924
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four. When Jesus kind of says he says

925
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: Matthew twenty four to twenty four. Actually he says, for

926
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: false Christ and false prophets will arise and perform great

927
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 1: signs and wonders so as to lead astray if possible.

928
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 3: Even the elect. That is such a.

929
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: Such a bold statement, such a I don't want to say.

930
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 1: I don't want to say scary because it's not for me.

931
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 1: But it's comforting me because you you look at at

932
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: the times and you yeah, yeah, I see it. Yeah

933
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: he was right, he was right. Now, I don't see

934
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 1: Trump as one that is performing great signs and wonders

935
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: and leading people astray. Thinking, thinking purely theological here, I

936
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 1: don't see Trump as one that's doing great signs and wonders.

937
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: He's prophesying false things and leading people away from God.

938
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,760
Speaker 1: Don't see that. Like you say what you want about

939
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: his politics and and his moral character, Like I said that,

940
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't.

941
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 3: He's not. I don't see that.

942
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: Can you tie tariffs to to any theology? Can we

943
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: do that?

944
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 3: Yeah?

945
00:51:53,000 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 2: I joke, But some people will, Yeah, some people will

946
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 2: tie the two together.

947
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 3: Here's another This is a big one, second Thessalonians two.

948
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 3: This is the subtitle.

949
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:14,399
Speaker 1: There is the man of lawlessness, and we we It's

950
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:19,840
Speaker 1: often tied to anti Christ imagery, but but once again,

951
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,400
Speaker 1: what we see here with the man of lawlessness for

952
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: the mystery. Verse seven of the mystery of lawlessness is

953
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:32,240
Speaker 1: already at work. Only he who now restrains it will

954
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 1: will do so until he is out of the way.

955
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: So so and then the lawless one will lawless one

956
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: will be revealed, so that we're we're this is prophetic,

957
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 1: the coming lawless one. Lawless one verse nine is by

958
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: the activity of Satan with all power and false signs

959
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 1: and wonders, and with all wicked deception for those who

960
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: are perishing because they refused to love the truth, and

961
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 1: so be saved once again. This is very marry Matthew

962
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 1: twenty four ish that Paul's writing to the church in Thatsalonaika.

963
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 2: Where did you start on that one?

964
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 3: Chapter two, chapter two, I just kind of did verse

965
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: seven and verse nine.

966
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: If you back up a little bit at four, he

967
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: will exalt himself and defy everything that people call God

968
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 2: in every object of worship. He'll even sit in the

969
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:24,560
Speaker 2: temple of God, claiming that he himself is God. Yeah.

970
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:28,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is key for dispensationalism.

971
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

972
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,840
Speaker 1: And and once again, I don't see Trump.

973
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,759
Speaker 3: I don't see Trump than this at all.

974
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: Right, I don't see any kind of political leader in

975
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: this unless unless the political leader makes a turn to

976
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: a theological leader.

977
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 2: Right. But although I will say that we are more again,

978
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 2: you study like you're in you're in seminary, so there

979
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 2: may be things that you get into that I, just

980
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 2: as a producer, do not. But we are seeing more.

981
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: I believe we're seeing more and more of theology and

982
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 2: politics merging. And I've heard someone else say this the

983
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 2: other day, is that it's not that I'm make sure

984
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 2: I get this word incorrectly. It's not that we are

985
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: becoming more political. It's politics is becoming more theological, and

986
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: things that are in politics are going against or for,

987
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 2: either for or against what God calls right and wrong.

988
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to that, I would say I'm not

989
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:38,800
Speaker 1: buying that totally because I mean, we are way less

990
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 1: theological than we were two or three years ago.

991
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 2: And I think that that's maybe that people don't reflect

992
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 2: on history a lot.

993
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: I mean, you look back through history.

994
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 1: There's two lines in history, the theological line and the

995
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: political line, and in history they intersect and then they

996
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,759
Speaker 1: go wide and they come back really close, and then

997
00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: they're right on top of each other. In the Church

998
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: of England type stuff like politics and religion or right.

999
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: You know, church and state are lockstep, and then it's

1000
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: splits and people go, now we don't want church and

1001
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: state separate them. And then people go, maybe we need

1002
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: the religion thing to kind of create. Maybe that's going

1003
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 1: to help us. It's a great visual maybe, yeah, maybe

1004
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: maybe this will help me get re elected if I

1005
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: bring God back, you know, and you know, and the

1006
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: American forefathers, you know, said well, we got to bring

1007
00:55:22,080 --> 00:55:24,600
Speaker 1: God in here somewhere, we gotta we got to say

1008
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: we're a nation that trusts God, and we kind of

1009
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: you know, put it on the dollar bill and then

1010
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: it goes it's it's always done that.

1011
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that's a that's a great pull, you know,

1012
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 2: to back up and get a bigger shot. Yeah, because

1013
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 2: that you're right, that is you look back and he said,

1014
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 2: when we came over even you know, starting this country, Yeah,

1015
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:43,680
Speaker 2: where it was then.

1016
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: Back then they were all it was lockstep.

1017
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,279
Speaker 1: So it's not that it's getting more theologically, it is

1018
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:51,800
Speaker 1: relative to the last twenty years.

1019
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,879
Speaker 2: Relative to our life, our life, yes, exactly. So yeah,

1020
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 2: we see that we see it far apart in our

1021
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 2: lifetime when we see it close together in our lifetime. Yeah,

1022
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: We're just happened to see it together right now. Yeah,

1023
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: that makes sense, you know. Discernment. Discernment is a big

1024
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 2: deal in this when people have these kind of questions

1025
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 2: and these kind of statements. Really, first John four four

1026
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 2: says that he who is in you is greater than

1027
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:21,040
Speaker 2: he who is in the world. Believers, we need to

1028
00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: be alert. But our hope is not is not in

1029
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: identifying who the Antichrist is or what an.

1030
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 3: Anti Christ like a treasure map.

1031
00:56:34,680 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 2: It's identifying Christ as God and Savior and Lord. And

1032
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,840
Speaker 2: I think when we look at and I'll speak for myself,

1033
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 2: is that sometimes I can get caught up and stuff

1034
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 2: like this and take my eyes of what I should

1035
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: be to have in my eyes on which is not

1036
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 2: who is the Antichrist, but who is Lord of my life?

1037
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: And who is God.

1038
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: Of my life?

1039
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: You know, in state, it's what you focus on in

1040
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,319
Speaker 2: your you you're going to move in the direction of

1041
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,279
Speaker 2: your strongest thoughts. And if you're thinking about all the

1042
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: politics and anti Christ, your your life is going to

1043
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 2: move that direction. You know, You're you're gonna find yourself

1044
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 2: watching and reading more and more things about that instead

1045
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 2: of who God is, what he's called you to be

1046
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 2: and what He's called you to surrender, to make live,

1047
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 2: make make Christ, you know, the head of your life.

1048
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:26,800
Speaker 3: Man, that's so good. Cody.

1049
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a check by your name. I think

1050
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: we ran this one down. And I'm gonna say this, Cody,

1051
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: based on scripture, Uh, there is no biblical reason to

1052
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: label Trump as the anti Christ or any one person bingo.

1053
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 3: But we could say.

1054
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: This, this was what the Bible does say. The spirit

1055
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 1: of the anti Christ is present in anyone or anything

1056
00:57:54,160 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: that opposes or replaces Christ with anyone or anything. To

1057
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: finish with this, this is because I'm glad. I'm glad

1058
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: that Cody is is thinking biblically to try to discern

1059
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: with scripture. Hey, I'm not that familiar with the Bible.

1060
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: Is this What do you think biblically with a biblical lens?

1061
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: What do you think about this? That's the right question

1062
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: to ask. Sure, it's not that it's a bad question.

1063
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: It's any question that says, hey, test this with the

1064
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: scripture is a good question, even if it's you know,

1065
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: I think it's the stupidest thing in the world. But

1066
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:33,360
Speaker 1: you're saying before before you say the stupid question, you're saying,

1067
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: test this with the scripture and let me know if

1068
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 1: this is right. Then it's a good question. Yeah, I

1069
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: like it. Hey, is is there really a cupid? Test

1070
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 1: that with the scripture? No longer is it a dumb question?

1071
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 3: Is there really a tooth fairy?

1072
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 1: Is a dumb question until you say, hey, test this

1073
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,919
Speaker 1: with the scripture and answer is this is there really

1074
00:58:50,920 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 1: a tooth fairy? That's that's not a bad question now

1075
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: because we should test everything everything with the scriptures. Let

1076
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: me finish with this. I think this is this is

1077
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: a good way to in this Isaiah ate was in

1078
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: my reading the other day, in my morning reading Isaiah eight,

1079
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: verse eleven. There's a in my Bible. There is a

1080
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:14,200
Speaker 1: sub sub heading here that says, fear God, wait for

1081
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: the Lord, and at verse twelve it says, do not

1082
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy, and do

1083
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: not fear what they fear, nor be in dread verse thirteen.

1084
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: But the Lord of host him you shall honor as holy.

1085
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 1: Let him be your fear, and let him.

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Speaker 3: Be your dread.

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Speaker 1: That's so good, so good Isaiah prophesying. And is that

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Speaker 1: not totally twenty twenty five?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely the word. Yeah, I mean the word conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: Call conspiracy all that this people calls conspiracy. Do not

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Speaker 1: fear what they fear.

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Speaker 3: Stop it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. Man.

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Speaker 3: Put down the TikTok.

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Speaker 2: You talking to me, no one who sends you all

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Speaker 2: the tiktoks on everyone myself. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So that's good stuff today. Yeah, good talk about good talk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If you guys have a question anything, there are no

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Speaker 1: dumb questions. Email podcast at grangersmith dot com.

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Speaker 2: Ye y.