1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Native Land Pod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: home everyone. This is another solo pod with Angela Rai. 4 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: I am Angelo Rai of Native Land Pod. For whatever reason, 5 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 1: I can't get that out today, but I'm here first 6 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: of all because we're doing this series that I think 7 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: is really important. We've watched you all debate feverishly in 8 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: the comments about what it means to care about immigration 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: migrants throughout the country, and I have been so disturbed 10 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: by the number of people who have rationalized why we 11 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't care about deportations, or ice raids, or the separation 12 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: of families and communities, and it is I have made 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: it my mission because I think it is so important 14 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: to ensure that you all understand the ramifications of what's happening. 15 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: A lot of folks have said silly things that we've 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: talked about on the show, on the main show on Wednesday, 17 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: and on this solo pod. Just last week, when we 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 1: learned about Rodney Taylor from Georgia, people saying things like 19 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: I don't care, this isn't going to impact me, but 20 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: it happened to Rodney Taylor, and I do have an 21 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: update about Rodney Taylor. Just this week, he was placed 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: in solitary confinement. As you all know, Rodney has been 23 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: in iceed attention since January. He is being accused of 24 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: something he didn't do. He's in solitary confinement. He's accused 25 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: just of not going into his room and talking with 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: an aggressive tone. Can you imagine being held in ICE 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: custody over a crime that you were pardoned over when 28 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: you were sixteen years old. This man is now forty 29 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: six years old, So thirty years ago he was accused 30 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: of something, was pardoned for that thing, and now he's 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: in ICED attention. Rodney Taylor is one of many. And 32 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 1: what we have to make sure we're doing on this 33 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: program and everywhere with people with good conscience is spread 34 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: the word on people like Rodney talking about what is 35 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: at stake. Really, When ice raids our community, terrorizing our people, 36 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: separating families, breaking up economies, hurting companies, hurting loved ones, 37 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: hurting our neighbors and our friends, that's the type of 38 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: America I want to be a part of, one that 39 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: has compassion for our fellow neighbors. So today joining me 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: is someone who has deep compassion. You all first probably 41 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: got to know this young man when he stood up 42 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: against gun violence with two of his colleagues, was expelled 43 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: for them Tennessee House and was brought back by the voters. 44 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: The people will always have their say. His name is 45 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: Justin Jones. He represents District fifty two in Nashville, and 46 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: we have seen him like he always does, continue you 47 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: to stand for courage, even in the face of ice raids. 48 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: And so I want to bring Justin to this conversation 49 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: to talk about the impacts of these policies, these very 50 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: very harmful policies that are coming from the Trump administration, 51 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: and how he is witnessing hurt his own community, his 52 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: own constituency. Justin, thank you so much for making the time. 53 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:23,239 Speaker 1: I know you are so busy doing the Lord's work. 54 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,679 Speaker 2: Of course, it's great to be with the system and 55 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 2: any time you call, you and all be there. 56 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope you know the same too. I 57 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: have been really, really just enthrall with this case of 58 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: Rodney Taylor. Justin is this gentleman. I don't know if 59 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: you've heard much about his case, but Liberian came here 60 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: on a medical visa when he was two and now 61 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 1: is awaiting deportation. He's supposed to have a deportation hearing 62 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: August eleventh, I believe, or August twelfth. I'm gonna verify 63 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: that before we get off. Maybe Lolo can help me 64 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: triple check that date. But I'm gonna go to the hearing, 65 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to for my own consciousness, for my 66 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: own compassion and empathy, name and see the victims of 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: these raids and these detentions, these unlawful detentions, these unconstitutional detentions. 68 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: So I want you to just talk to us a 69 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: little bit about what is happening in Nashville and how 70 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: you're responding to this moment. 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, what we're witnessing in my state is terror. 72 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 2: Just like Tennessee is the birthplace of the KKK, where 73 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 2: masks men used to come in the darken night and 74 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 2: cannap our people. And we're seeing mass men and planes 75 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: clothed with baseball caps going out at night snatching people 76 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: out of their vehicles, snatching them off the street. I'm 77 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: not providing any badge identification. This is not policing. This 78 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 2: is terror. This is not about public safety. This is 79 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: about terror. And racial profiling. And I heard a little 80 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 2: of your intro, and I want to say that if 81 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: they're coming for one of us, they're going to cover 82 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:55,919 Speaker 2: for all of us. Eyes has just been given one 83 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars, making them one of the most powerful 84 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 2: militaries in the entire world. And who do you think 85 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: that's going to be deployed against. Going to be deployed 86 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 2: not just against immigrants but also against citizens soon. And 87 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: we're seeing that people who are even trying to now 88 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: get the legal process getting snatched from court proceedings where 89 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 2: they're trying to do things the quote unquote right way. 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: And so what we saw in Nashville the first week 91 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 2: of May was one hundred ninety six people detained predominately 92 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 2: in the part of nashvillere represent Southeast Nashville, the most 93 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: diverse part of our district. And there's over five hundred 94 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: traffic stops and they just saw people who are brown 95 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: and it was a joint operation between the Tennessee Highway 96 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 2: Patrol and ICE and they stopped them. They said, all 97 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: your tail lights out, we know what that means. Oh, 98 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: you have too much tin on your windows, we know 99 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: what that means. And stopped them pretexturally and took them 100 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: out their cars and gave them the ice. And many 101 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: of those people, we don't know where they've ended up, 102 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: if they are in Liberia, if they are in El Salvador, 103 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 2: if they are in Florida at this concentration camp that 104 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 2: they call alligator Alcolatraze, but which I call crocodile concentration 105 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:52,279 Speaker 2: camp because that's what it is and that's what we're seeing. 106 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: We're still trying to get answers, but I'm so grateful 107 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 2: for you putting names onto these cases, because what the 108 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: Trump administration wants to do is say that these all 109 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 2: criminals where the majority of people stopped, at least what 110 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 2: we have the data are the data for in my state, 111 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 2: had never been charged with the crime, had never even 112 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: been charged with the misdemeanor. The majority people stopped had 113 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 2: never been in the criminal justice system, and yet we're 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: racially profiled and now we're still trying to locate them 115 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: for their families. 116 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: You know. Just then, the other thing that I that 117 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 1: I think is so important is you represent Nashville, but 118 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 1: you're a West Coast baby, and I think that this 119 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 1: is important context for some of our listeners and viewers, 120 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: because I think we just we're raised a little different, 121 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: Like we didn't have any choice but to be part 122 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 1: of a Rainbow coalition, because even though our numbers are, 123 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: you know, significant, they are not. They're nothing without the coalition. 124 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: And so I think we were kind of rooted in 125 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 1: the tradition of caring for other people's struggles. We know 126 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: that if we if we're struggling in one area, we've 127 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: got to fight for somebody else. But I do want 128 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: to get to the traffic stops you just raised. Ninety 129 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: four people I read from an article in June were 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: stopped with the Tennessee State Patrol. They were detained by ICE. 131 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,719 Speaker 1: Do you know or do you have a sense for 132 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,840 Speaker 1: how many of these people are African American or of 133 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: African descent. 134 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 2: I mean, the sad thing is I went to the 135 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: commissioner for the Department of Safety and Homeland Security to 136 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 2: get answers, and he says, we don't have any data. 137 00:07:14,640 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: We don't even know where they ended up. We just 138 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: gave them to ICE, so we don't even know the 139 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: demographic data. We don't know the reason why they were stopped. 140 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 2: And so when Christinoman came here, Christinom was here last week, 141 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 2: the you know, fascist Barbie, I don't know what you 142 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 2: want to call her, but she had a press conference 143 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: here and I simply went to try and get answers 144 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 2: about you know, they said, asked the federal government. So 145 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 2: I tried to ask, and she called the police and 146 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: said that I would be escorted out of my district 147 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: in the airport for attending a press conference in my 148 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: district as an elected representative, as a state represented for 149 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: this district. And so we don't know the demographic data, 150 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: but we do know that, you know, there are black immigrants. 151 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: You know, this is a racial justice issue. Whether you're 152 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: a Haitian, whether you're a Liberian, you know people are 153 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 2: being detained and racially profiled. And it's not a white folks, 154 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 2: it's black and brown folks. And we know again that 155 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: you know, James bad When wrote a letter to Angela Davis, 156 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 2: She's he said, if they come for you in the morning, 157 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 2: they'll be coming for me that night. And I think 158 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 2: we have to see this as an issue of solidarity. 159 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 2: This plantation politics of dividing and conquer serves none of us, 160 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: because they're coming for all of us, and we have 161 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: to embody the type of multi racial democracy that we 162 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: want our children and our future generations to hear it. 163 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: And that's why we should care about this issue. This 164 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 2: is a racial justice issue. This is an issue about 165 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,239 Speaker 2: ending state sanctioned violence, because that's what's happening. And again, 166 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 2: any American citizen who thinks that this will not be 167 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: turned on them soon is not paying attention to the 168 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 2: new bill that just passes Trump administration one hundred billion dollars. 169 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 2: I mean, this is what we've seen right now is 170 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 2: just the tip of the spear. It's just the beginning. 171 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,079 Speaker 2: It's going to explode. And what we can see these 172 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 2: folks in our community stopping citizens asking for our documentation, 173 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 2: profiling us because we are black and brown, and saying 174 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: that you don't belong here. And that's what this is 175 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 2: going to be utilized against, is weaponized against the American people. 176 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 2: So let's sound the alarm now and let's fight for 177 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: our neighbors, because that's what we are taught as a nation, 178 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: that we should care for our neighbors, that we should 179 00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: care for the most vulnerable. That's what makes America with what 180 00:08:59,559 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: it ought to be. 181 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I did read also in the Tennessee 182 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: and that five hundred and forty four people in Nashville 183 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: alone were detained by ice, and that was in June. 184 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: It was just saying since May, like since May second, 185 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: do you know how much that I know you don't 186 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 1: have demographic data, but do you have a sense for 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: how much that numbers increased? Because now we're almost at August. 188 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm hoping it's not double that. Do you know that. 189 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 2: They have been so scared to share the information with 190 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: us because Christy Noman came here and the same thing 191 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 2: with our state government. They put five people's pictures up 192 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: and said everyone's a criminal. They just gave us five pictures. 193 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: Said what about the other four hundred and fifty? What 194 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: about the other hundreds? They said, well, we don't have 195 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 2: information on them, but I know from their loved ones 196 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 2: some of their stories. One of the men was coming 197 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 2: from an overnight shift at walmart I worked late in 198 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 2: the night, taken by ice when he was trying to 199 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: get home to his partner. Another man was a volunteer, 200 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: a very well known volunteer in his Catholic church here, 201 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: a older man. It was actually his birthday and he 202 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 2: was snatched by ice at the gas station. Another mother 203 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: is a cook well known in the community, snatched by 204 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: These are members of our community, people who we see 205 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: when we go to the grocery store, their kids go 206 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 2: to school. You know, I mean this. These these are 207 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 2: folks who we know and and folks who are we 208 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 2: love us as our neighbors, and yet Ice wants to 209 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 2: portray them. All is criminal when what is criminal is 210 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 2: a violation of equal protection under law. What is criminal 211 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 2: is racial profiling. What is criminal are these pretextual traffics 212 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 2: offt rooted in profiling black and brown people. Because what 213 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 2: I do know is that out of those photos that 214 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 2: I did see, not one of them was a white person. 215 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: Not one of them was somebody who looked like the governor, 216 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: looked like the you know christy know, And that's that's 217 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 2: on purpose. This is not about public safety. This is 218 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 2: about racial terror and and and violence, because that's what 219 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: ultimately is happening. We had a case for kil Mar 220 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 2: Abrigo Garcia. He was well known. He was sent to 221 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: El Salvador against the ruling of a judge, and his 222 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 2: case is actually happening in Tennessee, in our in our 223 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 2: middle district of Tennessee, and what he was describing through 224 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: his attorneys, the torture he he went through in El Salvador. 225 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 2: No one should be proud of this, and and the 226 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 2: fact that we went to the court or and even 227 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 2: the magistrate judge that there's not enough evidence. You want 228 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 2: to portray him as a member of a gang. I 229 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 2: don't see the evidence. You want to portray him as violent, 230 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 2: I don't see the evidence. And so she actually ordered 231 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: him to be released from pre trial custody. But now 232 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: they're scared to release him because I said, well, if 233 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: you release him, we're going to deport him. So no 234 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: matter if even if he expisses his rights, they'll still 235 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,160 Speaker 2: take him and send him back to this torture camp 236 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: that he was subjected to in El Salvador. 237 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: Which is just astonishing to me. I'm curious to know too. 238 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: You talked about some of the individuals and the type 239 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: of people they were in the community, the fact that 240 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: they are community members and it has caused rupture in 241 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: your community. Can you talk about some of the other 242 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,959 Speaker 1: impacts you've seen People that are now moving out of fear, 243 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, are probably afraid to congregate in public places 244 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: that you know there's economic impacts of these things, and 245 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: I'm working so hard. I don't know, if you know. 246 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: Our good sister not a jump fee of Baji, but 247 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: she's cautioned us about talking about immigration through the lens 248 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: of just economic impact. But I think justin honestly, it's 249 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: hard for us to reach some people any other way 250 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 1: because for whatever reason, there's a wall, wall and a 251 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: guard towards living in your humanity and just like, okay, 252 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: this is a family now divided. This is someone who was, 253 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: you know, upstanding citizen, who volunteered, who cooked, who said 254 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: hello to their neighbors every day. That's not sufficient. So 255 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: can you talk about some of the impacts you're already 256 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: seeing in your district? 257 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, I serve on the Agriculture committee, 258 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 2: and one of the biggest industries being hurt in Tennessee 259 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,400 Speaker 2: are our farmers. That's our number one industry, and they're 260 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: saying we don't. They already were having issues getting folks 261 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: to work, and now people are afraid to show up. 262 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: There's no white Americans volunteering to go being this ninety 263 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 2: degree humidity and heat right now to make sure that 264 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: we have food on our tables. You know what we 265 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: were seeing where parents afraid to pick their kids up 266 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 2: from school as we and we're getting where to start 267 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: the school year. Again, what we saw were people afraid 268 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 2: to get groceries. So I knew a group of grandmothers 269 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: here who were delivering groceries to immigrant famili because they're 270 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,599 Speaker 2: afraid to go get nourishment and food for themselves and 271 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:03,120 Speaker 2: their children. I mean, this is it's economically indefensible, it's 272 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: morally insane, and it's constitutionally inconsistent. What we're seeing this behavior. 273 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 2: It does have economic impact, but also has a moral 274 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: impact because I mean, I think there's something sick in 275 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 2: a society right now that that takes pleasure in this. 276 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 2: You know, I was, I was watching the news these 277 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: people wearing merchandise from that alligator Aquatraz, which is a 278 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: concentration canist, And there must be something sick in the 279 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,160 Speaker 2: soul where you're celebrating torture and celebrating people being mistreated. 280 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:29,839 Speaker 2: I mean, we know what that's like. We know this 281 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 2: sickness in America. But the economic impact we're seeing it 282 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: on our on our industries here, Restaurants who said, you know, 283 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: they don't have folks who are willing to you know, 284 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: come to work because they've been there for years and 285 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: they're afraid to show up. And so Kid Rocks bar 286 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: had to shut down, you know, like these on Broadway 287 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 2: here in Nashville, like because they thought there was raids 288 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 2: happening and so they had to shut their bars down early. 289 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 2: You know that. So it's coming home to Trump supported 290 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 2: Kid Rock his bass shut down on Broadway, and it 291 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 2: just shows that, you know, immigrants and and people of 292 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 2: color are the the lifeblood of our communities, you know, 293 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 2: the reason you know, why we have food on our tables, 294 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: the reason why you know we're able to have industries, 295 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 2: our industries, our manufacturing work are you know, transportation for construction. 296 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: I mean they know it. And and for them, you know, 297 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: they want to just exploit people of color, exploit their labor. 298 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: And if they really cared about illegal immigration, they would 299 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 2: go after these big CEOs who are exploiting people and 300 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 2: trafficking them there to do this this poverty wage work 301 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: for nothing and and and lowering you know, their costs, 302 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: but increasing their profit, but treating people like they're expendable 303 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 2: in objects. That's who we should go after. Go after 304 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 2: these corporations and who are exploring immigrant and labor and 305 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 2: people of color, that's who if they're really you know, 306 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: concerned about this, including the Trump hotel and his properties 307 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 2: who I'm sure rely on immigrant labor. 308 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. To the hotel workers, whether 309 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 1: they're the bail staff or you know, folks that clean 310 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: the room's housekeeping staff. It is across the board going 311 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 1: to have I think, like huge impacts that we don't 312 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: even know beyond again, there's emotional human, kind of psychological 313 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: consequences that we know too well. I think it's important. 314 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: One of the things I really appreciate about you, Justin 315 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: is you don't just point out a problem and bring 316 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: attention to it from an advocacy standpoint. You also talk 317 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: about solutions. So what are some of the things that 318 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: the people can be doing to make sure that they 319 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: are supporting their immigrant neighbors coming to the aid of 320 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: their immigrant neighbors. So, folks who are in elected office 321 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: who may not necessarily have the courage that you have, 322 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 1: but maybe need a little kick in the butt, you know, 323 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of inspiration to do the right thing. 324 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: What would you say to folks who are elected and 325 00:15:57,320 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: folks who are just community members of goodwill. 326 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean. One of the bills I filed in 327 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: response to this, and I think it's the first Southern 328 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 2: state is House Built fourteen forty two. We Stop American 329 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 2: estopp Whact because another unintended consequence of these ice raids 330 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 2: is the issue of public safety. So this bill would 331 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 2: require all law enforcement to not wear masks and to 332 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 2: identify themselves because what we've been seeing with these unidentified 333 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: ICE agents is that people are impersonating ICE agents and 334 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: so women are essentially assaulted. There was businesses was raw 335 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 2: because somebody came in saying their ice and zip tied 336 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 2: their employees and then stole all the money. Women were 337 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 2: domestically assaulted and and sexually assault that I should say 338 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: by this man who said if he doesn't sleep with her, 339 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: he would deport her. I mean, and people have no 340 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: way of identifying. So if you care about ending human trafficking, 341 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 2: if you care about real public safety, then we should 342 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 2: all be against masked law enforcement. I mean, this is 343 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: not Star Wars where we have folks in you know, 344 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 2: drone suits, you don't know who it is, like. An 345 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: unmasked police force is something that should terrify us all 346 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 2: and particularly in the South. You know, I'm here in 347 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: Tennessee and we have literally a monument they had the 348 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: history of the ca a KK in this state, and 349 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 2: so people who mass themselves terrorized our people, and so 350 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 2: I think we should you know, I think we should 351 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: all push for transparency in our law enforcement. It's common 352 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: sense that a law enforcement agent should show their badge, should, 353 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: you know, identify themselves. So whether at the local level 354 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: the state level, I would push for your local and 355 00:17:17,320 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 2: state lawmakers to do something because we can take action 356 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,680 Speaker 2: at those levels as well, because we know that Congress 357 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 2: is a slow to act, but they should have a 358 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: federal legislation that's similar to this as well. I think 359 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 2: also finding organizations to get involved with. We had a 360 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 2: great volunteer network here during the Ice rays of people 361 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 2: who did ICE watch, where they would drive around and 362 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 2: report via social media where ICE was making these pretextual 363 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: traffic stops. Because what would happen was they would they 364 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: would go on specific state roads that were in communities 365 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 2: of color, and just one after the other. I saw it, 366 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: actually went to witness this and tried to intervene and 367 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: explain people's rights to them. They would stop a vehicle, 368 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: and without even making clear their intention, they would say 369 00:17:57,560 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: they would reach in and pop the trunk. And so 370 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: I was there saying, hold on, you have a right 371 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 2: to say no, you know, telling the people you have 372 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: a right to say no. You have a right to 373 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: an attorney. You don't have to answer their questions because 374 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 2: people they see these law enforcement and the law enforcement 375 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: takes advantage of the fact that people don't know their rights, 376 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,959 Speaker 2: and so like being out there letting people know their 377 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 2: rights as a law as a lawmaker, I went in 378 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: my oversight capacity because in Tennessee it was a joint 379 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: operation between ICE and Tennessee Highway Patrol, which is under 380 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 2: our jurisdiction. I used to be in the government Oversight Committee. 381 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: We have oversight over the Tennessee Highway Patrol and the 382 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 2: Tennessee Department of Safety. So I went and I was 383 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: asking the Tennesse Highway Patrol why were ICE vehicles, why 384 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 2: were ICE agents in state vehicles, and so trying to 385 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: understand the use of our tax payer money and to 386 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 2: say that our state should not be subsidizing this terror 387 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 2: and make sure that we find ways to vote against 388 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 2: it and challenge it within our jurisdiction as well. But 389 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,239 Speaker 2: those are things that I'm saying like right now too, 390 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 2: like the grandmother's who I saw giving groceries out to people. 391 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,439 Speaker 2: I mean, even just being a good neighbor. If you 392 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: know someone in your neighborhood who is an immigrant and 393 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:55,399 Speaker 2: who may be afraid to just do basic things that 394 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 2: we take for granted, maybe just you know, share a 395 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 2: smile and say, you know, you need anyone to help 396 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 2: get groceries? Do you need to ride? Because the other 397 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 2: thing we're seeing is like a car pos system, because 398 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 2: people are afraid to drive themselves to work, So we're 399 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 2: seeing neighbors driving their neighbors to work, you know. I mean, 400 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 2: this is truly the spirit of you know, of community 401 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: right now. And I believe that community is the resistance 402 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: that we can rely on because we're not seeing a 403 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 2: lot of action. I've been very disheartened to see a 404 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,560 Speaker 2: lot of people with political power but who don't have 405 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: a lot of political courage. And so it's going to 406 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 2: take the people standing up and leading in this moment 407 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 2: because history is looking at us. And I think the 408 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: reason why they cover their faces is because they know 409 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: that they're on the wrong side of history. And that 410 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 2: the power will shift and we will hold these folks accountable. 411 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: So they're trying to conceal their identities, trying to conceal 412 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: their role in this. But but we know that their 413 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: children will be ashamed of what they did when history 414 00:19:43,760 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 2: comes to look at this moment. Their children will be 415 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: ashamed of where their parents stood. And that's why they 416 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: won't even let me take a picture or identify themselves 417 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 2: to me as a lawmaker. They try to flashlight on 418 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 2: my face and one of them zoomed off almost hit 419 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 2: me with their car because they're so afraid of me 420 00:19:56,560 --> 00:20:00,200 Speaker 2: recording them. Does that seem like somebody interested in public safety? 421 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 2: I mean, it's really a dangerous precedent that we're setting 422 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: right now. 423 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 1: I got to ask you personally, justin you have a 424 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: lot of courage. You talked about political power. People want 425 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 1: political power, but they're not politically courageous. The world came 426 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: to meet you through your political courage, and I've got 427 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 1: to ask you, in a moment like this, you all 428 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: had to have thought when you took the stand you 429 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: did at the Tennessee State House that that was going 430 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: to be the worst that it got. And now we're 431 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: here you know, probably sixty years backslit sixty years in 432 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: terms of just our civil and human rights. Right. So 433 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: I'm curious to you what is driving your courage right now? 434 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: Is it the fear of going backwards? Is it the 435 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: debt to the ancestors? Is it the promise is something 436 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: better to folks who are a little bit younger than you? 437 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 2: Is it? 438 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: You know, just like a call and are you afraid? 439 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: And if you are ever afraid? How do you handle that? 440 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, you know, one thing I told people 441 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 2: last year when I was traveling around was that everyone's 442 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 2: talking about Project twenty twenty five now, But I said 443 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: Project twenty twenty five was Tennessee twenty twenty four. I mean, 444 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 2: we saw the beginning of this authoritarianism when they expelled 445 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 2: the two youngest black lawmakers for doing our job and 446 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: sought to make an example out of us, sought to 447 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,119 Speaker 2: make a spectacle and say, if you dare lift your 448 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 2: head up, this is what will happen to you. And 449 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 2: so I did try and go around because we knew 450 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: what it was like to live in a state that 451 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: was enacting this Product twenty five agenda. Before this was 452 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: even written out, they tested out in state. It's like 453 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: Tennessee and Texas, Mississippi. We were the testing round and 454 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 2: so I think, you know, one thing that keeps me 455 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 2: hopeful is that we have been seeing these forces. I 456 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 2: live in a Maga Republican controlled supermajority, and I still 457 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: see my constituents standing up resisting this, finding ways to 458 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 2: fight back. I still, you know, have folks who come 459 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: to our office who say that we know that they 460 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 2: think they have the political power, but that does not 461 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 2: mean that we're not going to disrupt business as usual 462 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 2: and speak up. And I think that's what gives me hope, 463 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: is that even with the odds, you know, we come 464 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: from a state where the odds have always been against us, 465 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 2: people are still resisting and embodying what deep solidarity looks 466 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: like when they come after our immigrant neighbors, when they 467 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 2: come after you know, black folks who were getting brutalized 468 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,400 Speaker 2: by the police. Because the same forces that are now 469 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 2: stopping immigrants with the same forces in twenty twenty beating 470 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 2: us when I was active at sleeping outside the capitol 471 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: for sixty two days, the same troopers so I see, 472 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 2: stopping immigrants with ice were the same troopers who took 473 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 2: me to jail eighteen times when I was arrested in 474 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 2: twenty twenty. And so that's why we have to address 475 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: this collectively. Because the forces they're they're united, and so 476 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: why are we not united. They're in solidarity with their 477 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: white supremacist agenda, whether they're Christian nationalists, whether they're techno 478 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: broligarchs like Elon Musk, or whether they're you know, just 479 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,640 Speaker 2: these rabid races that we're seeing. They're in a coalition. 480 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 2: So why don't we build a coalition that is multiracial, multigenerational, 481 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: multi faith. And so what gives me hope are the 482 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: young people I see at the Capital each time. That's 483 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 2: what gave me courage to speak up on the house 484 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 2: floor when they cut off my microphone, because I saw 485 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: the thousands of students saying, do something, do something. We're 486 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 2: afraid to go to school, we're afraid to school students, 487 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:14,879 Speaker 2: And they walked out of class even though they were 488 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: said they were told that if you walk out, you'll 489 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 2: be suspended. They said, well, if we stay here, we'll 490 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: be shot. So we're going to walk out. And they 491 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,159 Speaker 2: came to the Capital demanding action, and the Republicans said well, 492 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: we can have a moment of silence for them, but 493 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: that's all we can have, and we have to get 494 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,199 Speaker 2: back to normal business. And what is normal business in America. 495 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 2: It's the fact that gun violence is the number one 496 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 2: cause of death to children. I mean, it's the fact 497 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: that we know it's easier to get a gun that 498 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: it is to vote to get healthcare. I mean, that's 499 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: the reality. And so that's what gives me courage are 500 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: the students and the students who I have seen, who 501 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 2: I'm seeing showing up fighting for their parents, the students 502 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 2: who I see protesting and saying that you know that 503 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 2: they should be treated with dignity and human rights, and 504 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,240 Speaker 2: their parents are not criminals, but they're members of our community. 505 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,680 Speaker 2: And so I think what also gives me courage is 506 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: I was raised by my grandmothers, and you know, I 507 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 2: went to the universities here about my first teachers and 508 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 2: my best teachers were my grandmothers, who embodied what faith 509 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: and justice look like and who taught me that my 510 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 2: life was not just for myself, but it's for my community, 511 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: and it's about making life better for those who are 512 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 2: coming up after. And so I'm harriet and tested those 513 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: are my grandmothers, and they give me a lot of hope. 514 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: And my grandmother here, it passed, but I know she's 515 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: still you know, her prayers are covering me and in 516 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 2: guiding me. So yeah, I think that's what gives me hope. 517 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: And but I think what also gives me hope in 518 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: this time is that we have to have moral clarity 519 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 2: and urgency because I think, I do think that there 520 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: is such a thing as being too late, and I 521 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 2: think that we have to hold the line in this 522 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 2: moment and that it's easy to stop fascism authoritarianism at 523 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,199 Speaker 2: the beginning, because as our rights are eroded, it's going 524 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,880 Speaker 2: to get harder and harder to fight back. So now 525 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 2: some time to hold the line. Now, some time to 526 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,399 Speaker 2: say we're not going backwards. Now is the time to 527 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: say that we have the tools still available to fight back, 528 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 2: So let's not get to a point where we don't 529 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 2: have them. And it's going to be much more difficult 530 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: where our rights are roaded. We're gathering where these podcasts 531 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 2: will be censored. I'm seeing a lot of universities in 532 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 2: Nashville I'm afraid to speak out because cause they're being 533 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: targeted right now, but that type of anticipatory obedience is 534 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:07,160 Speaker 2: so dangerous up to our rights, and so the more 535 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: that we stand up and have courage, and the more 536 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 2: of us who do it, I think it's less risk 537 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: for them just targeting certain people, certain institutions, because they 538 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,480 Speaker 2: recognize that we are a movement that is that is robust, 539 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 2: and that they again, if they come from one of us, 540 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 2: they're coming. 541 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: For all of us, every single one of us. So 542 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: I want to give you the opportunity to call the 543 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: name or the names of any of the migrants from 544 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: your district are in Nashville. More broadly, who've been detained. Again, 545 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: we want to put a human name, a human face 546 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: on this issue because there are humans being impacted, those 547 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: who have both been detained and their loved ones who 548 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 1: have had to watch this or experience this. Again, when 549 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: we had Rodney Taylor's Beyonce on last week, just and 550 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: she's like, they have five children collectively and they are 551 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: just distraught by this. He was detained in front of 552 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 1: his kids. So I wanted to give you the opportunity 553 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 1: to do that as well. 554 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the case that you know, we I've 555 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 2: went to every court case. I'm hearing for Kibo, I've 556 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 2: seen his his wife sitting in the front row. In fact, 557 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: it was so heartbreaking because it was during his his 558 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: child's kindergarten graduation, and neither parent could be there because 559 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 2: they were in court here and just to see the pain, 560 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 2: you know, to see the trauma that will come from that. 561 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 2: And his case again is being used as political footballs. 562 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: It's being used as a spectacle. The Trump administration has 563 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 2: done everything in their power to portray him as a criminal, 564 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 2: has demonized him. But even with all the evidence put up, 565 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: the magistrate judge said that it just didn't it didn't 566 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,919 Speaker 2: check out, and ordered him to be released from preachild attention. 567 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 2: But now he's afraid that if he's released, I said, well, 568 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 2: we're going to deport him. So no matter if he's 569 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 2: right or wrong, he can't win. And that's not how 570 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 2: our justice systems should work. And I'm just and I'm 571 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: thinking of all the folks who have come still looking 572 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: for their loved ones. I'm still looking for answers. We've 573 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 2: we've tried to get answers, and we know that initially 574 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 2: many of these folks were taken into Knoxville and the 575 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 2: Putnam County to the Sheriff's office for being held. But 576 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 2: now they've been sent to either Florida or some of 577 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: them may have been sent out internationally. And the sad 578 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 2: thing is, and the cruel thing is, is that we 579 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 2: don't have answers. I don't know some of them. You know, 580 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 2: we're told that, oh, they got lost in the system. 581 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 2: What type of system is that where you're losing human 582 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 2: beings and it's this human trafficking, you know, So how 583 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 2: does that make any of us safe? And so I 584 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: hope that we continue to also lift up the unnamed 585 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 2: who are still trying to locate, and some folks who 586 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 2: don't have loved ones, who who know that they're missing 587 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: yet because they came here alone to this country, seeking 588 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 2: a better life, seeking the promise of America. And I 589 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: just want to remind, you know, particularly the white folks 590 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: who are you know, I've seen, like I told Christy 591 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 2: Nome when she came here, Gnome does not sound like 592 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 2: a Cherokee or chalk Tar Shawnee name to me, you know, 593 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 2: which means her people came from somewhere. And so they 594 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 2: are really believing in this this new vision and take 595 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,400 Speaker 2: down the lady lady in the harbor that says, give 596 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: me your poor tired, huddled masses. Take her down and 597 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:11,160 Speaker 2: put something up. Because this is not the promise of America. 598 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 2: And we know our Answerts has not come here willingly, 599 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 2: but we too are a part of this nation. And 600 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 2: this is you know, really what this is about. It's 601 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 2: about the fear that America is changing, that the demographics 602 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 2: are changing. So it's about enacting racial tear because in 603 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,840 Speaker 2: the South we have a saying that a dying meal 604 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: kicks the hardest, and this meal of white supremacist patriarchy 605 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 2: is dying. It is losing power so that they're trying 606 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,400 Speaker 2: to take us down with it, and we cannot allow 607 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: that to happen. So to all of the folks listening, 608 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: do not let us, do not play into the politics 609 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: of plantation, politics of dividing and conquer. But solidarity is 610 00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 2: our strength. Solidarity is what will protect us. We will 611 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 2: keep each other safe. And you know, as they come 612 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 2: and try and make this about oh, that's not my issue, 613 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 2: I recognize that once they run out of certain folks, 614 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 2: then you are next. You know that that is the reality, 615 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: is that this is a system that is insatiable white supremacy, see, 616 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: and capitalism is insatiable. And so there's always going to 617 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 2: be a new group who is gonna have to be 618 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: used as a scapegoing targeted and and and and and 619 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 2: and attack and and it's gonna you know, it's gonna 620 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 2: be our people. It is our people, because there are 621 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: black immigrants, and those are our brothers and sisters. Those 622 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 2: are our siblings. And you saw what he said about Haitians. 623 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: You saw about what he said about black immigrants, how 624 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: he sees us already. And we saw the terror that 625 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: they want to an act on black folks and removing 626 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: temporary status from black immigrants, and so we know that 627 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: this is about our communities as well. 628 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Representative Justin Jones, you know, it is always 629 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: a pleasure to be in conversation with you and always 630 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: honored to go to war with you, not against you. 631 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 1: And I'm happy to do that. So we'll continue this 632 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: good fight, the righteous fight, uh, the kind of Congressman 633 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: Lewis talked about, which is good trouble. But it sure 634 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: would be nice to stay out of trouble for a 635 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: little bit. So if they would stop starting it, we 636 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't have to finish it, but we will plan to 637 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: finish it the right way. We're gonna take that high 638 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: and get it done. 639 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: Yi. 640 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,560 Speaker 1: Brother, thank you so much for your time today. 641 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 2: Thank you appreciate you humanizing this issue and all your 642 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 2: work system. 643 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: It's my honor and my duty. Well, for those of 644 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 1: you at home who are watching, please make sure if 645 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: you don't know of Representative Justin Jones, he is not 646 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: a rising star. He's already a star and you all 647 00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: can see it. He is walking courage, he embodies it. 648 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: There is not a single issue impacting humankind that he 649 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: is not sensitive to and fighting for. He's the kind 650 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: of leadership we need right now. So for those of 651 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,080 Speaker 1: you who are in the state legislature and have been 652 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: doubting your courage, have been confused about what you can 653 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: do in this moment, please take the model of Justin Jones. 654 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: I love that he talked about the bill he introduced 655 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: and the duty that law enforcement has to be transparent 656 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: to show their faces, show their badges, and show what 657 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: obligation they have to the community, which they're clearly confused about. 658 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: Mentioned h B fourteen forty two house built fourteen forty 659 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: two in the state of Tennessee. Please look that bill up. 660 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: I know we don't have this legislative copy and paste 661 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: yet going y'all, but we'll have that soon. We need 662 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 1: you to be dropping this a template bill if there's 663 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:19,720 Speaker 1: something good in a state house somewhere that you can 664 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: implement in your state house and introduce and hopefully get 665 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: that thing signed into law. Sometimes miracles happen even in 666 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: the places where the KKK was founded, and so we 667 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: need to hold on to that and put your marker 668 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: out there even if the bill can't get passed. Make 669 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: it clear where you stand in this moment. You have 670 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 1: an obligation to your constituents, You have an obligation to 671 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: the ancestors, You have an obligation to citizens throughout this 672 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,480 Speaker 1: country to show where you stand in times of crisis 673 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: and unrighteousness and injustice. Please make sure you do the 674 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 1: right thing. That is the only hope future generations have. 675 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: So let us do the right thing. Let us keep fighting, 676 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: let us keep building and talking. You all know we 677 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: love to hear from you. Please send in your questions, 678 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 1: your comments, your thoughts, your strategic ideas. It's going to 679 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: take all of us to get through this really trying time. 680 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: And all of us to see true liberation in this 681 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: country until we get meet again, which will be on Thursday. 682 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 1: Native Lampid, I'll see you soon. Welcome home, y'all. Native 683 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: Lampid is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reason 684 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: Choice Media. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, 685 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.