1 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: During a recent episode of The Big Podcast with Shack, 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: the ex NBA star had on Jason Kelsey, who is 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: retiring from NFL football after playing for the stinky Philadelphia Eagles. Sorry, 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: I'm a Cowboys fan. I had to include that Jason 6 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Kelcey is married to Kylie Kelsey and the two have 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: been in the public eye more often recently since Jason's 8 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: brother Travis started dating Taylor Swift and a lot more 9 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 1: interest into the Kelsey family and their podcast and everything, 10 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 1: so we kind of know a little bit about the relationship. 11 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: On Shaq's show, Shaq was talking about his own retirement 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: and he told Jason, quote, I made a lot of 13 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,520 Speaker 1: dumbass mistakes to where I lost my family and didn't 14 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: have anyone. I was an idiot. I lost my whole family. 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm in a one hundred thousand square foot house by 16 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 1: my end quote. I of course clicked on the comments 17 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: under the clips of these comments that he made on 18 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: his show, and they were generally saying that Shaq cheated 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: on his wife with like hundreds of women and destroyed 20 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 1: their relationship. I assume that's true, and I assume that 21 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: that's what Shack means by the mistakes he's made. I've 22 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 1: seen such an uptick in podcasts and just general kind 23 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: of clips and information aimed at men telling them that 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 1: if they're on the path to making money, then they'd 25 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: be suckers to settle down with just one woman. It's 26 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: such bad advice, and everyone knows that. Like one loser 27 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: bro who insists that men are only as faithful as 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: their options, implying that men with money should get to cheat, 29 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: and any man not cheating just doesn't have the opportunity. 30 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: That guy is said, don't be like that guy. What 31 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: Shaq is saying is that you can have all the money, 32 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: but if you throw away your family along the way, 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: then it will not have been worth it. And you know, 34 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: that's like the most obvious advice ever. The image of 35 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: him in his ten thousand square foot house alone is 36 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:11,200 Speaker 1: actually really depressing. There's this trope that if you're rich 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: and you're sad, then you could just dry your tears 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: with your money. Well, here's an incredibly wealthy man issuing 39 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: a warning to another man to not end up in 40 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,720 Speaker 1: his same situation, and he seemed to be specifically telling 41 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Jason Kelsey this because when Jason retires and suddenly has 42 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: a lot of time on his hands, not practicing, not playing, 43 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: maybe Shack understands that times of change like that can 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: make a wealthy man more susceptible to making mistakes or 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: being put in situation where those mistakes are more likely. 46 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting to think about the times in 47 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: your life where something could trigger you to feel unsettled 48 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: or uncomfortable in your life. If you get used to 49 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: doing something like having a career and then you don't 50 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: have it, that can definitely leave you susceptible to maybe 51 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: acting out. For the average person when you're going through 52 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 1: a time of change, whether moving like we've talked about 53 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 1: on the show, or your kids leaving the house, or 54 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,240 Speaker 1: making any big changes to your life, I think it's 55 00:03:12,280 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: smart advice to be extra careful about what you're doing 56 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: and who you're doing it with. You don't want to 57 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: be like Shaq alone in his ten thousand square foot house. 58 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: Coming up next and interview with Nancy Rammelman. Join us 59 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: after the break. Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show 60 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio. My guest today is Nancy Rammelman. Nancy is 61 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: a journalist who writes for such publications as Reason and 62 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 1: The Free Press, as well as writing the substack Make 63 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: More Pie, and co host of the podcast Smoke Them 64 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: If You Got Them. Hi, Nancy, Good morning Carol. I'm 65 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: so happy to be here. I'm so happy to have you. 66 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: I have to say that we talk on this show 67 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: a lot about making friends, especially after moves, because so 68 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: many people have moved in the last few years, you know, 69 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: the Great Migration, And you moved from Portland to New York. 70 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: What year was that, July twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen. I 71 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 1: knew it was pre pandemic, which is rare because most 72 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: of these big moves are happening, you know, during the pandemic, 73 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: right and you you know, you already had a lot 74 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: of friends in New York. But you have this amazing 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: social gravitational pull. I just see you as this like warm, 76 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 1: welcoming person who everyone wants to be around. Like, whenever 77 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: I see you, I smile. How do you do that? 78 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: How do you help other people do that? 79 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,600 Speaker 2: This is very funny because when we were talking about 80 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 2: the questions you're going to ask that you like to 81 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 2: ask your guests. I will I will say that one 82 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: thing is that I love to cook, and it's not 83 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: so fun to just cook for yourself, so you wind 84 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: up opening your home. But also I just like it, 85 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 2: and people like to not just be on their computers. 86 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: You want to meet new people. You don't know what's 87 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,559 Speaker 1: happening all the time. 88 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 2: And when I got this little place, I had moved Fromland. 89 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: Moore, had like, you know, a four bedroom house with 90 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: a garage, the. 91 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 2: Whole kind of thing, to all of a sudden, this 92 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 2: little place in Chinatown, and it was just super fun 93 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 2: to build it out and build a sound studio and 94 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: have people in. 95 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,359 Speaker 1: And then, as you know, because you were here a few. 96 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,039 Speaker 2: Times during the pandemic, you know, we all kind of 97 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,920 Speaker 2: went into our houses for about eight weeks and then 98 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 2: I was like, no, we're having We're going to have 99 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: people over for lunch. 100 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: We're just going to do it. 101 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 2: And I was back and forth between reporting on the 102 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 2: riots in Portland, but when I was home, I was like, 103 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: let's just let's just open the doors. 104 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: And people really needed it, and we just never stopped. Yeah. Yeah, 105 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,559 Speaker 1: I was at a party at your house in June 106 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, so still you know, pretty pandemic. Ye, 107 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: it was amazing, and we like we had my husband 108 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: and I were there and it was just this amazing party. 109 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: And then like some friends of ours who like aren't 110 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: in our you know, writer political world, texted and they're like, Hey, 111 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: we're out in the city. You guys around And I 112 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, we're at this party, you know, come 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: by and they still talk about your party. They're still 114 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: like that party, you know, June twenty twenty one, just 115 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: this amazing, amazing time. It was something that people really 116 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 1: weren't doing. And again, I just think you have this 117 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: ability to bring people together, Like, do you have any 118 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 1: advice for people on how to be I mean other 119 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: than learn how to cook like you, how do you 120 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: navigate having people like you know, how do you attract 121 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: people to you the way you do? Tell us everything 122 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: what you see. 123 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 2: I think I just really like having people around and 124 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 2: also being able to connect people. I mean, you know this, 125 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 2: when we've been at parties here, it's not like everybody 126 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: has the same opinions or they come from the same 127 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: world at all, and you sort of put them in 128 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: the super collider and then you're just all enjoying each other. 129 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 2: And first of all, first of all, tell your friends 130 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: they're welcome back anytime, never the address. And I don't know, 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 2: I think especially we may have noticed this more Carol, 132 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: because it was so stark during the pandemic. I remember 133 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 2: when I first started to have the lunches here. I 134 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 2: think it was August twenty twenty, which, you know, still 135 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: really in the thicket things, right. 136 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:07,279 Speaker 1: It was so funny. 137 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: People would creep in here like they had not left 138 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: their house in three months, and. 139 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 1: Then they remembered, Oh, we really really need this and 140 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 1: really want this. I just like doing it. 141 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: I had people here the other day. It was the 142 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: super Bowl, where about have six or eight people. I 143 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 2: invited a friend of mine who's in a play right here, 144 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I can't come, but the whole 145 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: cast wants to come. 146 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm like sure. I had eight people i'd never met 147 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: here for the super Bowl and it was great. It 148 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 1: was great. So yeah, I just took a lot. So 149 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: how did you become a writer? What was your path 150 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: to it? So? 151 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: I moved to Los Angeles from New York City, where 152 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: I'm from when I was twenty four, and I had 153 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: a baby not that long after, and at the time. 154 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 2: I'd gone to La to be a movie star, as 155 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure you can guess. And I started reading scripts 156 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: for a living when I was pregnant, which is like 157 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 2: you'd go Julia Roberts agent would give you a script 158 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: and read it and do a summation and then recommended 159 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: or not. And I got really fast at it, and 160 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: I could do it at home, and I knew I 161 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: wanted to be home with my kids. Plus we didn't 162 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: have any money. It wasn't like I was going to 163 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: hire someone to raise my kid, right, And then that 164 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 2: segued into journalism, and by the time I was thirty, 165 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: I never had another job. It was also, you know, 166 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: it was the nineties. There was a lot of money 167 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: in You could make money pretty easily. You could write 168 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 2: for a ton of places, and I just it turned 169 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 2: out I was good at it and I. 170 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: Loved it, and I've never I knew the minute I 171 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: did my. 172 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 2: First article of Carol, which was a like five hundred 173 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 2: word piece on genital piercing, which is so old. 174 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: Whatever it was the next where was that published? 175 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: Okay, so it was this lad magazine called Bikini, which 176 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: was also part of Ray Gun. 177 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: Maybe this is a billion years ago. But anyway, they 178 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: sent me to do this article about genital this salon. 179 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, I go to this place in Lost Bilis. 180 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: I'm talking to these people. This couple walks in. 181 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: They're like, you know, in their twenties, and they said 182 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 2: they were getting their engagement rings or wedding rinks. And 183 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,079 Speaker 2: I was like, well, what are you going to do 184 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: when people ask to see them? And she's like, well, 185 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: we'll show them. And I was like, that's it. 186 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: I'm never having another job. That's it. Like this is 187 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: magic and I never have I've never had another job. 188 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: So do you feel like you've made it? I think 189 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,679 Speaker 1: it depends on the week. 190 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you have really good weeks. I can't 191 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: remember what the exact expression. Expression expression is. It's like, 192 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: you know, writing is no fun or or not writing 193 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: is no fun, but having written. 194 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: Is the best feeling. 195 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 2: So when you see you know, you know, yeah, you've 196 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,839 Speaker 2: finished that piece and you just can you can dine 197 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: out on it for a matter of hours or even days. 198 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 2: But then it's like the gas runs out of tank 199 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 2: and you just got to just have to keep working. 200 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you feel. 201 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: Great, you have a book that's published, or you do 202 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 2: a story that really moves people and then you communicate 203 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 2: with them and then that leads to the. 204 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: Next article and you can feel really good. But then 205 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: when you're not haven't written for a little while, you 206 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: just feel crappy and have I made it? I don't know. So, yeah, 207 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 1: that feeling of publishing. I mean when I publish in 208 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: the post, for example, I used to just do it 209 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: would be Mondays, so Sunday night it would hit the 210 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: internet and I had like Sunday night, I'd be refreshing, 211 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 1: And you know, it was years in. It wasn't like 212 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: my first, my tenth or my fiftieth article at that point. 213 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 1: It was years and years and years and I still 214 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,560 Speaker 1: like loved it so much, and I totally get that feeling. 215 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: And I have to say, I think I avoid places. 216 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: I avoid writing for places where I don't know when 217 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 1: it's going to run, because I'm like, no, I need 218 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:37,199 Speaker 1: I need to know. I need to know when I'm 219 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: going to get that boost of like happiness and my 220 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: piece is out there. And yeah, when. 221 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 2: You're funny working on a piece for a while in 222 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: your letter, like when is it going to run? Yeah? Hello, 223 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 2: I wrote book reviews for a long time for the 224 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, and they have a fantastic Saturday section. 225 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 2: And yeah, every time I'd be like, I have h yeah, 226 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 2: I know, babe had went two weeks, it goes like 227 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 2: last Saturday, right, Yeah, there's Saturday newspapers. 228 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great section. It's a great session. 229 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: So if you weren't doing this, if you needed a 230 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: plan B, what would it be. Probably work as a baker. 231 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 2: I had worked as a baker, like when I first 232 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:19,439 Speaker 2: went to LA and then when my husband had a 233 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: series of coffee shops, I'd baked for his coffee shops 234 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: for about a year. 235 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 1: But I really just bak for pleasure. So I don't 236 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: know if I want to do it as a job. 237 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 3: You know, I always thought this is going to sound 238 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 3: so ridiculous when I go with pharmacy and get my 239 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: get a prescription filled, and I always watched the farm 240 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 3: and it's so organized and clean, and I was like, 241 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: that'dn't be a bad gig. 242 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, working, I don't think this sounds ridiculous at all. 243 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: My plan B is I think i'd be a really 244 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: good DJ. So so you know, it's dream big on 245 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: this show is really you know what it's all about. 246 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: You want to be a pharmacist back there with your clean, 247 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: organized world, like organizing everything. I see it. I could, 248 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: you know, I need things orderly? Yeah can Yeah. I 249 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: feel like yours requires a lot more school than mine, though. 250 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: My plan B and you could just do it tonight, girl, right, 251 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: get everybody's dancing, And that's really I feel like I could. 252 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: I think I could just organize music well, like I could, Like, 253 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: I know what people want to hear next, if they're happy. 254 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: You know, I have zero skills in that area. So 255 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: I'm coming. I love it. We're going to take a 256 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: quick break and be right back on the Carol marco 257 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:38,680 Speaker 1: It Show. So you recently went to Israel, which seemed 258 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: like an amazing trip. How was it, As you know, 259 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: Israel is complicated, It's always a complicated place. 260 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: And then to drop in when they have I was 261 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: on the Bill Schultz Show yesterday and I compared it 262 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: to be getting kicked in the heart. 263 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: They not not just the emotional stuff, but. 264 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,559 Speaker 2: They really have to have a real reset in how 265 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: they think about how their own survival, of their government, 266 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: of the military, and I it was a difficult trip 267 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 2: in terms of the people I hung out with, I 268 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 2: hung out for four days, that the missing hostages and 269 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 2: families for them, these are I'm talking to mothers whose 270 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 2: children are still in Gaza and they're still there now. 271 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 2: This is not easy. However, that piece ran in reason. 272 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 2: To see how the country pulled together after October seventh, 273 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 2: you know, especially in light of the fact that for 274 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 2: the past you know, fourteen months they've been rebelling against 275 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 2: their own government, is pretty amazing. And you realize what 276 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: is baked into the Israeli psyche is that they need 277 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 2: to save their own lives. They're never going back to 278 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: what it used to be. Ever, that's not going to happen, 279 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 2: and so to be around that is pretty amazing. 280 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 1: One thing I also love about. 281 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: Being in Israel, especially in Tel Aviv, is this constant 282 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: everybody looks you in the eye, everyone wants to talk 283 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: to you, and there's just this incredible energy going. 284 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: I feel like that might just be you. But okay, no, 285 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: I know, what do you think? I don't know. I 286 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: don't know. I love Israeli as I'm married to an Israeli. 287 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: You know, I have a lot of Israeli friends. I 288 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: would not say that they are extra friendly. Well, I 289 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: don't know, friendly is the world. They're very very willing 290 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: to be confrontational. How's that right, Like right, yes, for sure, yes, 291 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: very willing to be confrontation. No, no, no, no, I 292 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: you know I had I had an Israeli friend say 293 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: to me something like, you know, the trans insanity that 294 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: we're going through in America could never happen in Israel 295 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: because they'd be like, no, what are you crazy? No, like, 296 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: you know, no, no, biological boys can play in girls 297 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: sports next, Like, they just they're not polite. They're not 298 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: polite enough to be like, well, I don't know, let 299 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: me think about your feelings, like no, you know. 300 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: No, they're they're they're like New Yorkers that way, yeah 301 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: or whatever. 302 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 1: We're just like no, we're just getting onto the next 303 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: topic here. We're not going to fool around this. Except 304 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: I feel like New Yorkers have like slid off of 305 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: that a little bit in the last I mean that 306 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: the pandemic, you know, obviously crushed my feelings on badass 307 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: New Yorkers standing up for it. But you know, and 308 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: I have definitely concerns about the migrant situation and the 309 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: fact that New Yorkers are not like kind of fighting 310 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: back on it, Like, you know, people are suffering in 311 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: the city, and yet like the people who are coming 312 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: here legally get all this free stuff. And it's it's 313 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: hard for me to watch New Yorkers just roll over. 314 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: Especially the pandemic was really the that point for me 315 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: where I don't think, you know, Israelis would necessarily I 316 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: mean they kind of did also, so I shouldn't say that. 317 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, New York was a was a strange place. I 318 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: was traveling a lot during the pandemic because I was 319 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 2: covering the situation in Portland. 320 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: But I was surprised, as a you. 321 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: Know, born and bred New Yorker at how sort of 322 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: obedient people. 323 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: Want complacent like the place and see. Yeah, I remember 324 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: taking off my mask. 325 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: I don't remember the exact date, but it was definitely 326 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 2: before we were allowed to and I'm like, screwid, I'm 327 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: not I'm not doing it. So, yeah, get some dirty 328 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: hooks on the subway. 329 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: I don't care. Right, was it your first trip to Israel? 330 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: My second? 331 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: So you may recall back in November twenty twenty twenty three, No, 332 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two. 333 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: The reasonally crue ones. Yeah, well not really reason so much. 334 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: It was the Israeli consulate here took over a bunch 335 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: of journalists. It was Matt Well to Michael moynihan and 336 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: me the reason CR. 337 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: And we all went over on their dime but zero obligation. 338 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 2: And I went over early with and they've talked about 339 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 2: it at this point, so it's no with Leifang and 340 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 2: Jesse's single and we toured around with bits l M 341 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 2: very left wing group, which was actually really. 342 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: Smart to do because it was a complicated country. They 343 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: don't all agree, so you can kind of get a sense. 344 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: And I was in Hebron at that point, and I 345 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: was back and he Brew on this trip, and that 346 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: is a weird place, as you may or may not know. 347 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, very very strange. So what was strange about it 348 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,000 Speaker 1: for people who may not well? So it's cut in. 349 00:17:13,080 --> 00:17:15,360 Speaker 2: It's split into you've got H one and H two 350 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: and H one and I'm hopefully I'm not swapping these. 351 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 2: H one is where it's all Palestinian, right. You live there, 352 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 2: there's economy, you. 353 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: Walk in bebbe clothes. 354 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 2: Turkish coffee. It's just like a busy busy you know, 355 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 2: you pay in Mexico City or something though it's also 356 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 2: sort of depressed because it's isolated and it's surrounded and 357 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: you have to like get in and out of checkpoints 358 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 2: that are run by the Israeli military, and certain things 359 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 2: were closed down, but it's still very vibrant. 360 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 1: You cross over to the other side and everything is 361 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: boarded up and sealed up, all the buildings, there's nothing. 362 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 2: It's truly ghosty. It's looked over by the Israeli military. 363 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 2: If you are Palestinian, you can live there, but you 364 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 2: can't have a car, so you can't really get any 365 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: place unless you us into H one, which is easy. 366 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: Oh, but then getting out. 367 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 2: That's kind of up to the two Israeli guards that 368 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 2: are at the gate. So maybe they wait you, you 369 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 2: wait three minutes, maybe you wait three hours in the 370 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 2: rain with your kids. Like it's weird, it's messed up, 371 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 2: and there's reasons. I hung out with the Palestinian activist, 372 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 2: I hung out with settlers, and they can both tell 373 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 2: you they all want the same thing, but they see 374 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 2: it from different ends of the tube. And frankly, they 375 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 2: both have points. They both have points. So that's an 376 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: interesting piece that I have to get to. 377 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: I have to write this. Yeah, I can't wait to 378 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: read it. Do you feel like you know what you're 379 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 1: talking about? Like Israeli unity right now? You know the 380 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,920 Speaker 1: post October seventh moment. Do you feel like America can 381 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: ever get to a similar place of unity? Like I 382 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: don't feel like a terrorist attack like that would unite us. 383 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 1: I don't think. I feel like I don't know if 384 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,159 Speaker 1: those days are even possible, the post nine to eleven unity, 385 00:18:57,160 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: for example. I don't think we could ever do that again. 386 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 2: I think that something happened around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen, 387 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 2: when Trump was stole the nominee. 388 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: People kind of lost their minds. On both sides. 389 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 2: You had the Trump derangement syndrome, and then you had 390 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,919 Speaker 2: the Trump epiphantic love affair. You know, I see the 391 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: portraits of Trump as Jesus, and I'm like, hi, everyone, 392 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: maybe stop drinking the kool aid and we It just 393 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 2: split people so intensely, and everybody believes not only that 394 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 2: they're right, but that the other side is driving this 395 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: country into hell. 396 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't belong to any of 397 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: either of these tribes. 398 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: And as a journalist who absolutely adores getting in my 399 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 2: car and driving around this country, and talking to people 400 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 2: in Texas, in Kansas, in Oklahoma, in New York State. 401 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 2: Most people are pretty awesome. 402 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't care. 403 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 2: Who you voted for. They're like, really pretty great. And 404 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: we really do. I truly believe. 405 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: We agree on more than we disagree on. But it 406 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 1: just doesn't seem to pay. 407 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 2: Whether it's our media institution screaming at us or it's 408 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 2: us believing me. I will say one of the people 409 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: I love most in the world, if he were not 410 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: an emergency room physician. 411 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 1: For children, he would be priest. Okay. He once said 412 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 1: to me that he could never be friends with someone 413 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: that voted for Trump. And I'm like, guess what you 414 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,320 Speaker 1: already are? Wow, not meaning me? But yeah, no, I 415 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: know you don't I know meaning you. 416 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: But it's like, you don't say that, do not say 417 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: that about your fellow Americans. And that brings me out 418 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 2: because I love America and I believe God like actually 419 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: got chill saying that, and I believe almost everybody in 420 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 2: this country does love America. And that means you should 421 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: be talking to your neighbors, and you should be looking 422 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 2: for the stuff that really meant, not stuff to fight about. 423 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: What would you say is our largest cultural or societal problem. 424 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 2: Besides not listening to each other, besides being we could. 425 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 1: Not listening to each other not listening, but also being 426 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: addicted to the sense that we're right. I mean, people, 427 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: there was something on it. 428 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 2: I've written a lot about Portland, Oregon, which really drove 429 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 2: itself into the ground by making some really stupid decisions 430 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty and downstream. It should have been obvious 431 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 2: to any grown up that there were going to be 432 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 2: really bad repercussions. But I wrote today on Twitter, like 433 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: the elixir of believing you are right is really super sweet. 434 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: Man. 435 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 2: You get addicted to that taste and I you know, 436 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: go try something else at the soda fountain. 437 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 1: Right do you think Portland could come back? I know 438 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: you love Portland? Right am I my right that you 439 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: have like an affection for it? No, because it does 440 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: seem like when you write about it, it's not like, Haha, 441 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: you suck. You know, It's very like you care about 442 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: them and you want them to do bad and you 443 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,280 Speaker 1: don't want it to fall apart. At least That's how 444 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm reading you. I don't Portland. 445 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 2: I live there from twenty four to twenty and eighteen, 446 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 2: and I watched Portland do some really really cool things, 447 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: things that couldnot be done in a city where it 448 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 2: was more expensive, where it was more like like even 449 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 2: a little more urban or lesser. But like they really 450 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,919 Speaker 2: it was a really interesting experiment, and then they screwed 451 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:26,719 Speaker 2: it up. They've screwed it up in a lot of ways. However, 452 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: it's still beautiful. It is such a beautiful city, and 453 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: it's a bread basket, and the region is great. 454 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: I would hope that they can come back, but they. 455 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 2: Really ding themselves, and financially they just are They're really 456 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,439 Speaker 2: seeing some problems, and we've seen the problems with Measure 457 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 2: one ten, which decriminalized drugs. 458 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 1: They really have some work to do. I can be hopeful. 459 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm an optimist. So let's see. I was recently reading 460 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: Blake Nelson, the writer who you went to college with. 461 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: Was their connection. I love him, He's you know, so 462 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: like his books. When I was in my late teens 463 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: early twenties, I was just such a huge fan, and 464 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: I happened to meet him in New York and but 465 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:10,959 Speaker 1: he recently wrote this whole thing about Portland, and it 466 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: was I just love reading about old Portland. I guess 467 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: that's the same feeling. I mean, it might it definitely 468 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: has some connection to how I feel about New York 469 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: and how it used to be. But he wrote this 470 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,440 Speaker 1: whole thing and it was just Portland sounds so exciting. 471 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: In the piece he talks about sleeping with Courtney Love, 472 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: which is like, oh, okay, that's it. Yea. 473 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 2: She has a bit of a reputation there. And also 474 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 2: in la Hey question for you, Yeah, do you miss 475 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,840 Speaker 2: New York. 476 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: Like I do? But when I'm there, I'm not like, 477 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: oh I miss this place. I miss the New York 478 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: that I feel like it used to be. Like the 479 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: pandemic really broke New York. I don't know if and 480 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 1: when it will recover. It hasn't recovered, I mean by 481 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: like a lot of the measures. But it really hurt 482 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: me to see that complacent rule following New Yorker that 483 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: I always thought would be like badass and thinking for themselves. 484 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: And a lot of people left, like a lot of 485 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: my native New Yorkers left because they couldn't take it anymore. 486 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: And it's just it's hard to watch. But in the 487 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: same way that I think you root for Portland, I 488 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: root for New York. I want to see it revived. 489 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: I want to see that city that I loved so 490 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: much back. But when I'm in town, I'm like, I'm 491 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 1: a genius. I like, you know, I got my kids 492 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: out of this, Like it's just guess you know, we 493 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: record this in advance. But there was a snow day 494 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: and New Yorkers were forced to do remote learning with 495 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 1: their kids because you know, they discovered remote learning the 496 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, and now they want to implement it 497 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: whenever possible. But like the New York I know would 498 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,399 Speaker 1: have just had a snow day and had a you know, 499 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: the kids would play in the snow and it would 500 00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 1: be amazing and magical and they'd be hot, chocolate and involved. 501 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: But now they have to like get on zoom because 502 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,719 Speaker 1: somebody's bad idea. And that's a small bad idea, but 503 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 1: it's still a bad idea. It's a terrible idea. I 504 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: said this. That was yesterday, this snow day. I was out. 505 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: I had to go record midtown. This snow was just 506 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 2: wet slush by ten thirty in the morning, so it 507 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 2: didn't stick. No, that is true. 508 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean it just put your boots on, kids, It's 509 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: not I don't want to be like in my day. 510 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: But literally in my day, we would have, you know, 511 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: two feet of snow and go to school and it 512 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: would have to be a serious snow stream. Or if 513 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: we were having off, nobody would be expected to still 514 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: do busy work. And it just it's hard. I miss 515 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: the restaurants a lot, obviously missed my family. I should 516 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: reverse those. I missed my family first, and then I 517 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: missed the restaurants because no matter what anybody says, there's 518 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,600 Speaker 1: no food scene like the New York food scene. Like 519 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 1: you know, I could tell you specifically I missed Ti 520 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: Diner very much. I miss my friend's restaurant Marry them 521 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: very much. You know, we just don't have that in 522 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: South Florida. 523 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 2: I will say, you know, I live in Dine Square, 524 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 2: that area of Chinatown which never it never closed. I 525 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 2: remember during the pandemic, the New York Post was running 526 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: a weekly like look at the Terrible Things that have 527 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 2: happened to my neighborhood, and they asked me to write one. 528 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: I was like, can I write that? It's kind cool 529 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,240 Speaker 1: down here? 530 00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 2: He's like, okay, it never really went under, mom, But Midtown, boy, 531 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: it Midtown is still. 532 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 1: Is still strong. Yeah, it's sad. Yeah, and the outer 533 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: borrows I think are still like not back, like a 534 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of things closed and just never reopened. Yeah. Yeah, 535 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: it's you know, bums me out. But you know, New 536 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,120 Speaker 1: York has to keep moving forward. I hope it catches, 537 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, its breath and then it improves itself again. 538 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: I have high hopes. I you know, I don't want 539 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: to hate it. I want to be able to visit 540 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: and see my family and be like, oh, this place 541 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: is amazing, look at it. Come back so good. I 542 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: don't I definitely don't root against it. I don't want 543 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: to come to Florida. Yeah, I think it definitely definitely 544 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: deserves some Florida time. Yes. So I love talking to 545 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: your you know, one of my favorite people end here 546 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 1: with your best tip for my listeners on how they 547 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: can improve their lives. I think my best tip we 548 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: kind of started with it. I mean, if you're not 549 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 1: going to cook for a bunch of people, which is 550 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 1: sort of my secret sauce. 551 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:19,239 Speaker 2: I would say, both initiate and attend social events. I 552 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,399 Speaker 2: remember being I can't remember. 553 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:21,480 Speaker 1: What it was. 554 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: I do a lot of traveling, and sometimes it's a 555 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 2: tough places for work, and I came back from someplace 556 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: recently I don't think it is real, and I was. 557 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 2: I found it so necessary to go out and see people, 558 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 2: whether it's a drink at a bar, down at someone's house, 559 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: someone says, come to sh your bottom, like, yes, I'm coming. 560 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 2: You need to cycle all of this stuff through and 561 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 2: share it. 562 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: And it just it just grows. I mean your world. 563 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 2: He grows and then you wind up giving it away 564 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 2: to the next group. So that would be my That's 565 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: my best advice. 566 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 1: I love that. Thank you so much. Nancy Rammelman loved 567 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: having you on. Where can people read you? 568 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 2: Oh, you can go to my substock, which is Make 569 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 2: More Pie. You can go listen to my podcast but 570 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 2: Sarah pup Love called smoke 'em if you got them. 571 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: And my work runs in the Free press, it runs 572 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: in Reason and Real Clearer Investigations and other places, and 573 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: I would love to. 574 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: See you there. Stay in touch. Thank you so much, Nancy, 575 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,120 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us on the Carol Marcowitch Show. 576 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.