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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody. Thursday edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show is starting right now. It's very exciting. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for being here. And we have so much to discuss.

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Speaker 1: A press conference yesterday in the White House Tabinet members

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Speaker 1: and elon their Doge doing its thing, explaining to everybody

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Speaker 1: that the math makes it clear Doze is not just

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Speaker 1: a good idea, it is a necessary idea. We shall

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Speaker 1: discuss that. We have JB. Pritzker with his theory, and

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of you are going to make

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Speaker 1: jokes about this about why grocery prices are high, but

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Speaker 1: we will address that in a little bit. This is

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Speaker 1: the possible Democrat nominee going forward for them. We'll see

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Speaker 1: he is the governor of Illinois. We've got bezos and

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post opinion shift, which we will dive into.

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Speaker 1: Pam Bondy says that there might be some more. There

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Speaker 1: might be some Epstein information. Flight logs, et cetera. Released

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Speaker 1: Scott Jennings giving a free lesson on the Jennings Analysis

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Speaker 1: bus for CNN. He is letting the kids get on

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Speaker 1: the school bus, giving them a free ride, explaining how

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Speaker 1: the government works. Very kind of him. Scott Jennings, very patient, man,

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Speaker 1: very kind. We've got that just so much going on here.

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Speaker 1: Pro Luigi Mangioti protest. That is a real sickness that

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Speaker 1: has taken over some quarters. We shall discuss that our

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Speaker 1: friend Ryan Gerduski will join us to talk about gold

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Speaker 1: card citizenship. Clay, he's fired up about it.

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Speaker 2: He's fired an entire piece, like furious, like he was

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Speaker 2: in my mentions, like this is the worst idea. I'm

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Speaker 2: paraphrasing the worst idea you've ever had. So if you

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Speaker 2: think that I'm a moron, Ryan is fired up. I

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Speaker 2: still love the idea, but we'll see how that goes you.

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Speaker 1: But he does not love five million dollars gold cards

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Speaker 1: for citizens. So we'll talk to him. He's from the

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Speaker 1: Clay and Buck podcast network. We'll talk to him later

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Speaker 1: on about this. But as the media tries to get

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Speaker 1: its footing. Oh and also the CIA nsa chat log

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Speaker 1: released by Chris Ruffo with all kinds of grotesque and

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Speaker 1: absurd and bizarre stuff. There's firings now happening. Tulca Gabbard

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Speaker 1: is on the issue. She will yes, sir, I know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just also that's happening. We should tell people it's possible.

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Speaker 1: The Epstein documents are going to be released today. Pam

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Speaker 1: Bondi last night on Sean Hannity's show, I believe, said, Hey,

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Speaker 1: they're coming out today. Will there be any major revelations?

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Speaker 1: Will anything come from this list?

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Speaker 2: Buck, you're the want wont guy, wamp womp guy on

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Speaker 2: all the.

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Speaker 1: Way to this one, because I can pretty easily it's

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Speaker 1: just it's just a list of his contacts. We already

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Speaker 1: know that he has contacts with many of the most

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Speaker 1: connected and powerful people in the world. We know that

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Speaker 1: some of them or scummy. But the problem is worse

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Speaker 1: than scummy, you know what I'm talking about. The problem

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Speaker 1: is a lot of them will say I just had

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Speaker 1: lunch with the guy. You already knew that Bill Clinton

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Speaker 1: flew in his jet. You already knew that that Bill

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Speaker 1: Gates went to Epstein Island. So unless there's proof just

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Speaker 1: contact with Epstein, I don't think is going to be

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Speaker 1: enough because we already know about a lot of very powerful,

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Speaker 1: rich people who had lots of contact with Epstein. So

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Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I think that it is

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Speaker 1: unlikely there will be any major revelation that comes out

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Speaker 1: of it. Actually, I mean, I hope I am wrong,

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Speaker 1: because I always tell people the story of the FBI

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Speaker 1: showing up in New York City at the Epstein mansion,

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Speaker 1: which was given to him. How many people give somebody

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Speaker 1: a seventy million dollars a year. That's quite strange given

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Speaker 1: to him as a gift, hmm. But the FBI showed

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Speaker 1: up and searched his entire residence. This is after he

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Speaker 1: had been arrested at Teterborough Airport and they found in

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Speaker 1: a safe tapes. And when they found the tapes in

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Speaker 1: we don't have the right to seize. We only have

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Speaker 1: the right to search. We got to come back with

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Speaker 1: a new warrant in a few days. And does anyone

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Speaker 1: to guess what happened when they came back to the

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Speaker 1: The surveillance tapes were gone. Oh the FBI hm surveillance.

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Speaker 2: Think those ended? Where do you think all those tapes

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Speaker 1: These And they go, oh, there's some tapes, but nothing,

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Speaker 1: nothing important. We'll bring them right back to you. Where

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Speaker 1: do I think that they went. I mean, who knows.

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Speaker 1: They either erased whatever was on those tapes, destroyed the tapes,

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one you think they still exist in

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Speaker 1: No, I think they destroyed them. Yeah, I think they

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Speaker 1: to be very clear. I think that the Epstein thing

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Speaker 1: is a massive conspiracy and a massive cover up, and

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Speaker 1: I think it implicates some of the most powerful and

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Speaker 1: horrifying to even imagine. Do we have any proof of it?

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Speaker 1: Though without proof we get nowhere. It's been a long

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Speaker 1: time for them to cover up the proof. Pambondi is

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Speaker 1: releasing information as Attorney General. We will see. But I

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Speaker 1: do not, by any means think that we figured out

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Speaker 1: even half the story with Epstein so far. So let's

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Speaker 1: just put that out there. But Clay, do you want

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Speaker 1: to do you want to do. Do you want to

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Speaker 1: do fake Tapper first, or you want to do c

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Speaker 1: I you want to do fake Tapper, Let's do fake Tapper.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is tough not to really just gloat over,

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Speaker 2: but also tell you guys to not not to be

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Speaker 2: aware of what they're trying to do, because this is

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Speaker 2: next level gaslighting for Jake Tapper, who's got a book

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Speaker 2: out to now claim, oh I was is the book

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Speaker 2: outer or has he announced comes out in May? Comes

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Speaker 2: we because otherwise we would get a copy and you know,

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Speaker 2: we'd thumb through it. Here, here's what's going on everyone.

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Speaker 2: For those who have worked in media, this is kind

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Speaker 2: of this has been a long running a long running joke,

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Speaker 2: and you might have even seen people, some prominent political

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Speaker 2: analysts last night saying that mister Tapper, who has a

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Speaker 2: has a long history of doing this to many people,

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Speaker 2: including me, likes to go into people's dms and hector them,

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Speaker 2: threaten them, cajole them like a little high school girl

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Speaker 2: especially throughout the media. But he used to be the

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Speaker 1: Now things have changed. He's still slipping into people's nobody cares,

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Speaker 1: and he realizes Clay that the old game of oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm one of the good ones who will speak truth

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Speaker 1: to power, including to my own side. He also used

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Speaker 1: to hide behind his ostentatious love of veterans a lot.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, I have just gonna be honest with you.

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Speaker 1: I have no respect for the guy whatsoever. And now

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Speaker 1: he's trying to pretend like he's a truth teller because

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Speaker 1: he's part of a book. Now, other people have pointed

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Speaker 1: out Clay that Alex whatever his name is, what's the

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Speaker 1: guy's name, the other all co author, Alex Thompson, I think,

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Speaker 1: has actually done a good job, relatively speaking, covering this.

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Speaker 1: So Alex Thompson has some street cred on trying to

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Speaker 1: tell the truth about Biden when it was inconvenient. Telling

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Speaker 1: the truth about Biden now is nothing. The entire country knows.

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Speaker 1: People that don't even care about politics have known about

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Speaker 1: this for months. So Tapper is trying to resurrect Clay.

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Speaker 1: I think his brand with oh I actually was trying

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Speaker 3: Thompson of Axios and I have spent the last several

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Speaker 3: months talking to more than two hundred insiders and officials

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Speaker 3: and donors and activists more willing to talk post election,

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Speaker 3: of course, to explain the last couple of years in

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Speaker 3: politics and how we as a nation got here with

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Speaker 3: never before heard stories from behind the scenes, you will

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Speaker 3: not believe what was really going on. You can pre

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Speaker 3: order the book at original sinbook dot com.

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Speaker 1: This is the arsonist putting on a fireman's hat and

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Speaker 1: saying I'm here to save the day Clay. It's and

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Speaker 1: no one's. I don't think anyone's buying it. And fake

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Speaker 1: Tapper is used to pulling one over on a lot

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Speaker 1: of simpletons. I don't think he's fulling anybody this time.

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Speaker 2: I don't even understand how he could think he could

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Speaker 2: get away with writing this book. Alex Thompson, Okay, well again,

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Speaker 2: he did a lot of reporting that was inconvenient at

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Speaker 2: the time. We told all of you that as soon

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Speaker 2: as the election was over, all of these books, with

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Speaker 2: all of the he's crazy behind the scenes stories about

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Speaker 2: You can go back and listen to the transcripts. We've

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Speaker 2: been telling you that for years. But here is what

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Speaker 2: Jake Tapper. So Tapper is now trying to claim, Hey,

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Speaker 2: you know what, I covered Biden's physical and mental decline

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Speaker 2: aggressively on CNN. No one is buying it. It's probably

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Speaker 2: not a surprise. I don't know if you saw this buck.

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Speaker 2: According to Gallop, trust in media has hidden all time low.

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Speaker 2: That is never in the history since they have been

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Speaker 2: called mainstream legacy media. But here is examples of what

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Speaker 2: Jake Tapper was saying about Joe Biden and any critics

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Speaker 4: And Biden embraces his stutter talking about it well, Trump

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Speaker 4: mox said, exaggerates it. The littles of he's are physically

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Speaker 4: I mean mentally, Yeah, I think the question is physically right,

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Speaker 1: So right, right, and the guy who's his chief.

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Speaker 4: Opponent is only three or four years younger than him. Ada,

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Speaker 4: I mean, you have questioned President Biden's age, mental fitness,

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Speaker 4: fitness ability to lead of those supporting Biden. You said, quote,

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Speaker 4: shame on all of you pretending everything is okay. You're

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Speaker 4: leading us and him into a disaster. Do you worry

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Speaker 4: that you damaged him at all? False claims to the

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Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal about President Biden's mental fitness and acuity.

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Speaker 1: He's eighty one and his memory.

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Speaker 4: You know, it doesn't seem great, It's not horrible, But

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Speaker 4: I don't understand the outrage.

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Speaker 2: And now he says, oh, I covered this fairly. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know this, but I think it's important for everybody

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Speaker 2: out there to understand there is a level of dishonesty

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Speaker 2: that is expected when you work at CNN and MSNBC

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Speaker 2: in order to continue to get the guests on that

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Speaker 2: you get on that program, and you are not allowed

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Speaker 2: to be a true truth teller. Now, the truth can

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Speaker 2: be told because Biden's ability as a politician is done.

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Speaker 2: In fact, Buck, have you even seen Biden since he

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Speaker 2: left DC on January twentieth, any story about him in

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Speaker 1: Here's a big part of why the media that is

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Speaker 1: Democrat aligned. And remember journalists by profession are ninety percent Democrats.

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Speaker 1: The fifty percent of them who say they're independents are

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Speaker 1: Scott Jennings has risen to conservative commentary prominence through being

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Speaker 7: Stop him because they were nation and creating on authoritarian dictatorship.

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Speaker 2: like them being angry at me. But I will tell this,

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Speaker 2: so that's kind of a little bit funny. I will

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Speaker 2: tell you this though. When two thousand and eleven, twenty twelve,

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Speaker 2: the reason I started out kick was because I got

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Speaker 2: let go along with everybody else that was writing at

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Speaker 2: a sports website, and dead Spin was right before FanHouse.

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Speaker 2: Dead Spin now doesn't exist. But I left dead Spin FanHouse.

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Speaker 2: I loved it Buck. It was a huge site. They

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Speaker 2: had probably one hundred and fifty employees. And I went

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Speaker 2: in I guess it was early in two thousand, twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: Early in twenty eleven, I went in, turned my phone

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Speaker 2: off to go talk on a panel about the future

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Speaker 2: of sports media in the Tennessee Titan Stadium. When I

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Speaker 2: turned my phone back on Buck, all of us have

448
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Speaker 2: been fired the entire company because they had sold the

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Speaker 2: site to somebody else, and they said, we already have

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Speaker 2: our employees, you're gonna get paid. I think I got

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Speaker 2: paid through like March, and that's when I ended up

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Speaker 2: starting out kick because I decided then and there I

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Speaker 2: didn't want my family's future to be determined by some

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Speaker 2: bean counter that I didn't know. I was working my

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Speaker 2: ass off. I loved it. My point on this is

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Speaker 2: it sucks. And I bet a huge percentage of you

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Speaker 2: have dealt with this at a company where you're working

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Speaker 2: your ass off, you're doing everything you can, and then

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Speaker 2: through no faults of your own, the rug just gets

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Speaker 2: completely pulled out from you can be your feet, you

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Speaker 2: can be subject to just market conditions in our industry,

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Speaker 2: and it's painful and it feels and it is unfair, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's the we can say about we can

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Speaker 2: talk about things being unfair. It does feel, because it

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Speaker 2: is I think unfair when you lose your job and

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Speaker 2: you've done nothing wrong. But I think what you were

467
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Speaker 2: getting toward before is what I call the forever job mentality,

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Speaker 2: which is when you go to the federal government, you have.

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Speaker 1: A forever job. And and that has been that has

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Speaker 1: been rattled right now in a way that they are

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Speaker 1: absolutely not used to. And there are people who clearly

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Speaker 1: think that while they work in the executive branch, they

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Speaker 1: don't work for the executive branch. How does that work?

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Speaker 1: So Congress funds positions, but the people in those positions

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Speaker 1: can't be fired. That's not a job. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: like a tenured professorship, Like this is a third So

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Speaker 1: this is why. And there have been some people who

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Speaker 1: have been fired and courts have upheld that, I might add,

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of it's tough to keep up

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Speaker 1: with them. There's a lot of court battles going on

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Speaker 1: right now where people are trying to stop there's a

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Speaker 1: jurisdiction shopping going on, these universal injunctions coming down from

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Speaker 1: a random federal judge. They're doing everything they can to

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Speaker 1: slow down what Trump is doing here with the cuts.

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Speaker 1: Can I just take something here for one second, Clay

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Speaker 1: for everybody. Yeah, remember how I said at the top

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Speaker 1: of the show, and I was just being honest that

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Speaker 1: the Epstein thing was not going to be interesting, particularly

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Speaker 1: and there's a lot of fanfare and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of people talking about it. Representative Anna Polina Luna, who's

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Speaker 1: part of the Congressional task force to look into this.

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Speaker 1: This is what she just tweeted out from her account.

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Speaker 1: Shared from her account. I know the task force were

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Speaker 1: given or review the Epstein documents being released today, and

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Speaker 1: a New York Post story just revealed the documents are

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Speaker 1: simply Epstein's phone book. This is not what we or

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Speaker 1: the American people ask for. A complete disappointment. I'm just

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Speaker 1: you know, I sit here and I tell you guys

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Speaker 1: how it's going to be, and I'm right, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm not saying you disagree with me, Clay,

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Speaker 1: I just mean in general, a lot of people, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is going to be the bombshell. No, it's not.

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Speaker 1: If it was going to be the bombshell, trust me,

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Speaker 1: we would have known in advance what was going to

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Speaker 1: be in the bombshell. They're not just going to release

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Speaker 1: it to a few people who went to the White House.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this isn't important to get out there

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Speaker 1: as part of the more public record. But I trust

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Speaker 1: Anna Polina Luna when she tells us this is a

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Speaker 1: nothing burgers. What I told that got mad at me.

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Speaker 1: Why do you think it's going to be a nothing burger,

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Speaker 1: because I know I will say.

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Speaker 2: There's a letter that has just been written by Pam Bondi,

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Speaker 2: and she says that the New York FBI Field Office

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Speaker 2: is in possession of thousands of pages of documents related

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Speaker 2: to the investigation and indictment of Epstein.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading from her letter that just went alive.

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Speaker 2: Despite my repeated request, the FBI never disclosed the existence

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Speaker 2: of these files. By eight am tomorrow, she is saying,

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Speaker 2: the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files

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Speaker 2: to her office, records, documents, audio video recordings, materials related

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Speaker 2: to him and his clients, regardless of how such information

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Speaker 2: was obtained. There will be no withholding or limitation to

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Speaker 2: my or your access. This is a letter directed to

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Speaker 2: Cash Bettel. The Department of Justice will ensure that this

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Speaker 2: disclosure is done. So she has now charged Cash Pateel

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Speaker 2: with ensuring that the FBI New York Office turns over

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Speaker 2: thousands of pages of additional documents. But so that just happened.

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Speaker 2: So far what was released today not not important?

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Speaker 1: Yes, not news, As I said, that may be now see,

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Speaker 1: I will tell you on the other side, there might

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Speaker 1: be some interesting stuff in those FBI files in New

533
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Speaker 1: York is clearly the FBI did not want those to

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Speaker 1: get out. That could be interesting. But the stuff today

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Speaker 1: is essentially already just public record from the court transcripts

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Speaker 1: and from the court documents that has now been put

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Speaker 1: out there once again. So you know, I'm just just

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Speaker 1: calling balls and strikes here. I want to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of this. I want we need to know

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Speaker 1: what happened here. There's so much that stinks to high

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Speaker 1: Heaven about the way that government handled the Epstein stuff.

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Speaker 1: You know, what he did is monstrous, criminal, evil, all that,

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Speaker 1: but the government let him get away with it for

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Speaker 1: a very long time, a very long time.

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Speaker 2: I still feel like he was an intelligence asset. I

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Speaker 2: feel like that's the part of this story that we're

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Speaker 2: not getting. None of it makes sense our intelligence asset

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Speaker 2: if somebody else's intelligen Yeah, And to your point, the

549
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Speaker 2: story here is still what happened to all those documents

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Speaker 2: that the FBI could have gotten and then suddenly they vanished.

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Speaker 1: Who keeps video tapes in a safe which is hidden

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Speaker 1: in a wall in their home unless there's something really

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Speaker 1: important on those tapes. Hmm seems weird to me, right,

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Speaker 1: Who also keeps surveillance equipment all over their house so

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Speaker 1: that they have video of what's going on, particularly in

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Speaker 1: the bedrooms of the house, and then keeps those tapes

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Speaker 1: in a locked safe that the FBI gets and does

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Speaker 1: not want. That's very strange.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you another very strange thing. Who dies in

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Speaker 2: a supposedly very secure prison where it's supposed to be

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Speaker 2: im possible, the only person who have ever committed suicide

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Speaker 2: in the MCC ever, and when they came to look

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Speaker 2: at the video of what exactly happened, the video wasn't recording.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened. When Epstein supposedly killed himself. Clay, one

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Speaker 2: of the guards was asleep, or maybe they were both asleep.

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Speaker 2: That guards fell asleep, and the cameras, yes, that seems

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Speaker 2: seems suspect. They went to sleep at the exact time

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Speaker 2: that he killed himself, and the cameras happened to not

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Speaker 2: be working at the exact time he killed himself. I'm

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Speaker 2: just saying that would not add up. That wouldn't That

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Speaker 2: wouldn't even pass plot points in a decent movie.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Yesterday heart wrenching day for Israel as the country laid

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Speaker 2: to rest the Beavis family. Thousands of people lying the

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Speaker 2: streets to pay their respects as the funeral procession made

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Speaker 2: its way to a cemetery in the south of the country.

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Speaker 2: Last night, in New York City, the Empire State Building

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Speaker 2: was lit up an orange to honor the family. But sadly,

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Speaker 2: also yesterday in New York City, protesters forced their way

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Speaker 2: into Barnard College and attacked an employee, sending them to

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Speaker 2: the hospital. All to stand up against Israel. Now more

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Speaker 2: than ever, it's important we stand with our brothers and

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Speaker 2: sisters in Israel. That's what the International Fellowship of Christians

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Speaker 2: the Holy Land, and they also want you to know

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Speaker 2: anti Semitism isn't just a Jewish problem. It's a threat

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Speaker 5: Sometimes all you can do is laugh, and they do

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Speaker 5: a lot of it with the Sunday Hang.

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Speaker 1: Join Clay and Buck as they laugh.

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Speaker 5: It up in the Clay and Buck podcast beat on

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Speaker 5: the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcasts, and.

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Speaker 1: Our friend Ryan Gerduski joins us. He's got the podcast.

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Speaker 1: It's a numbers game in the Clay and Buck network.

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Speaker 1: Also writes a fantastic substack which you should subscribe to.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of a substack, here's the latest. Trump's gold visa

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Speaker 1: is bad policy. I saw this in my inbox this morning,

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Speaker 1: and I talked to Ryan, and so, you know, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: there's somebody that I know quite well who thinks it

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Speaker 1: is not bad policy, who is very excited about this.

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Speaker 1: And I want to just let you two step into

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Speaker 1: the thunderdome over it, and I get to just eat

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Speaker 1: the popcorn and watch. Clay says that you could you

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Speaker 1: should just exactly what you think about this policy. You

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Speaker 1: will not hurt his feelings. Clay's is not a not

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Speaker 1: a thin skinned individual when it comes to the gold

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Speaker 1: card policy. So take me through your argument here, because

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Speaker 1: to be fair, yesterday I said, you know, I don't

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Speaker 1: love it. I don't hate it. I see some problems

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Speaker 1: with it. Clay thinks amazing, you think not a good idea.

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Speaker 6: Why so the policy that Trump's the Saran says, first

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Speaker 6: of all, one, there's legality problems. Right, the president does

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Speaker 6: not have the power to create a new green card

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Speaker 6: process all on his own. So how does he sit

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Speaker 6: there and offer a green card process? It would be

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Speaker 6: through some kind of wrangling that Biden had with illegal

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Speaker 6: immigrants to basically offer them a pathway into the country

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Speaker 6: legally illegally, but have a five million dollar hold. It

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Speaker 6: doesn't really make sense, and it's something that a lot

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Speaker 6: of wealthy individuals would do because there's a lot of

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Speaker 6: legality problems. That's first of all. Secondly, he says it's

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Speaker 6: to replace the EB five visa. The president does not

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Speaker 6: have the ability to end these on his own. That's

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Speaker 6: another problem with it. The EB five visa, which is

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Speaker 6: what people are comparing this to, is a visa that

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Speaker 6: if wealthy people can invest eight hundred thousand to one

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Speaker 6: million dollars in this country and higher Americans in low

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Speaker 6: income areas. Ten Americans and low income areas they can

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Speaker 6: get EB five visa, a green cart and citizenship on

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Speaker 6: like a seven year process, a fast track to citizenship,

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Speaker 6: but it's eight hundred thousand to one million dollars. In

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Speaker 6: low income areas, they can't have visas H one B

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Speaker 6: or H two B visas. It has to be ten

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Speaker 6: American citizens over that time period. A lot of problems

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Speaker 6: with the system, tons of fraud, you know, it's a big,

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Speaker 6: big thing. Like Chuck Schumer loves it because he was

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Speaker 6: able to get a lot of projects on Manhattan, which

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Speaker 6: is not a low income area, but they would draw

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Speaker 6: districts into Central Park anyway. Lots of fraud, lots of problems,

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Speaker 6: lots of issues. So in his statement, Trump and the

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Speaker 6: Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick sit there and say, the

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Speaker 6: problem with the EB five is there's too many regulations

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Speaker 6: on it. We want an easy five million dollars you

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Speaker 6: get in the country one two three with the promise

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Speaker 6: that they'll bring jobs. Well, if there's no strings attached,

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Speaker 6: well then there's no promise that they're going to bring jobs.

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Speaker 6: Is only going to hire Americans. They could just create

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Speaker 6: an LLC and Delaware say they made a business. It

657
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Speaker 6: doesn't really matter. Okay, let's say he doesn't. He's promising

658
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Speaker 6: up to the Lutins those two hundred and fifty thousand people,

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Speaker 6: which is a one point two five trillion dollar payouts

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Speaker 6: in the American government for Trump says it could be

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Speaker 6: ten million through fifty trillion. First of all, there are

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Speaker 6: not ten million people in the world that have five

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Speaker 6: million dollars of easy capital. So the only way that

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Speaker 6: they'd get ten million people is if you have foreign

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Speaker 6: government sponsoring people, which is problematic from what me.

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Speaker 2: Let me pause you here for a sec because I

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Speaker 2: did I like this policy. But I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: get into the back and forth right now, because I

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Speaker 2: do think one of the questions that I had that

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Speaker 2: was most significant is what a lot of people would

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Speaker 2: call a total total addressable market. That is, Buck and

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Speaker 2: Eye were debating Ryan, how many people actually have five

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Speaker 2: million dollars liquid right? That is, you could stroke a

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Speaker 2: check for five million dollars. You're saying there's only ten million, Like,

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Speaker 2: where does that number come from?

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Speaker 6: According to according to the Hell Heleni Partners, right. This

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Speaker 6: is a rapport from twenty twenty four. Of the wealthiest

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Speaker 6: people in the world, sixteen million people have five million

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Speaker 6: dollars at least thirty Because if you have five million dollars,

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Speaker 6: a lot of it's tied up into your property and

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Speaker 6: to your thisa so.

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Speaker 1: That's why so cut you off.

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Speaker 2: That's why we said yesterday, and a lot of people

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Speaker 2: kind of push back that there's a difference between having

685
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Speaker 2: a house that's valuable and being a millionaire and being

686
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Speaker 2: able to write a check with one million dollars liquid.

687
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Speaker 2: What I asked, and I think this is important, sorry

688
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Speaker 2: to cut you off, is five million dollars.

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Speaker 1: This basically means if you wanted to.

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Speaker 2: Buy a painting, right you're at a fabulous event, you

691
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Speaker 2: could just stroke a check five million dollars and that

692
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Speaker 2: cash would be out in a week or whatever. It is, Right,

693
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Speaker 2: how many people can actually do that? He is in

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Speaker 2: some respect the total addressable market.

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Speaker 9: Right.

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Speaker 6: The Kabenighi Research Institute put out this is only two

697
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Speaker 6: point six million people worldwide have that kind of money,

698
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Speaker 6: and a third of them already live in the United States.

699
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Speaker 6: So you're talking about maybe one point eight million people

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Speaker 6: globally have that kind of money.

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Speaker 1: That seems low to me.

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Speaker 2: But that is, if that is accurate, then it would

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Speaker 2: suggest the high end of this policy best case scenario

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Speaker 2: is not actually very high.

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Speaker 6: It's not very very high to begin with. And let's

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Speaker 6: say they were to get a million people and get

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Speaker 6: five trillion dollars into the government's hands. Five trillion dollars

708
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Speaker 6: is what we spend on the deficit in every two

709
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Speaker 6: years we could the Congress could piss away this money

710
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Speaker 6: shorter than you could have Irish twins. That's how quickly

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Speaker 6: we're spending money.

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Speaker 2: I get it, Ryan, But wouldn't it be a good

713
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Speaker 2: thing if it were possible to say, for every single

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Speaker 2: dollar we bring in in the mean that there is

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Speaker 2: a market for this, everything goes to paying down the debt.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't go anywhere else. In other words, I get

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Speaker 2: your argument. Five trillion on a thirty six trillion dollar

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Speaker 2: national debt is not a massive difference, but it's better

719
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Speaker 2: than nothing, right and right now my argument.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree with you, But the problem is, I'm

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Speaker 6: not talking to debt. I'm just talking the deficit. I'm

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Speaker 6: talking what we will accumulate if we put it to

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Speaker 6: the debt that will be back in twenty twenty seven. Like, yeah,

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Speaker 6: I would agree with you, Hunt. If we were deficit neutral,

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Speaker 6: I would one hundred percent agree with you. That's a

726
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Speaker 6: great way of paying down the debt. We're not deficit neutral.

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Speaker 6: We run a two trillion dollar debt. That's the problem. Sorry,

728
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Speaker 6: two trillion dollar deficit every year. So that deficit is

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Speaker 6: going to replace this entire thing for a million people

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Speaker 6: plus their family members, which is a larger population that

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Speaker 6: decided the last three presidential elections. So they will have

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Speaker 6: a right to vote within five years. This is what

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Speaker 6: Trump's saying, fast track the citizenship, right to vote anywhere.

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Speaker 6: He's saying China can apply for it. Russian oliguts can

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Speaker 6: buy for it. Anyone can have been a lot in

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Speaker 6: the family could apply for it. Anyone can apply with

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Speaker 6: it this they have five million in cash, they could

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Speaker 6: apply for this gold card visa, get citizenship in a

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Speaker 6: five year period, and be voting before Jdvans is running

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty eight. That is what Trump is offering

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Speaker 6: these people. This is and four, by the way, something

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Speaker 6: that will not last toward the end of his entire

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Speaker 6: first term.

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Speaker 1: Well, can I ask, can I ask a question right

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Speaker 1: about that. Do we understand what the legality of this

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Speaker 1: would be in terms of you know a lot of stuff,

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Speaker 1: Clay And I think I've seen this with some of

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Speaker 1: the big executive orders and everything. So far, it's going

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Speaker 1: to go to the courts. Right, we knew the Anchor

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Speaker 1: Baby thing going to the courts. We know someone is

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Speaker 1: going to the courts. How would the president be able

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Speaker 1: to do this without congressional action or would he need

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Speaker 1: congressional action? It seems to me he would.

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Speaker 6: Yeah. So the EB five visa, we give out ten

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Speaker 6: thousand in a year. That's it. So he's basically saying

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Speaker 6: we're going to increase the EB before we're going to

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Speaker 6: replace the EB five visa, increase all the numbers and

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Speaker 6: increase the caps beyond the congressional limit. He doesn't have

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Speaker 6: that authority at all, so that would be immediately and

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Speaker 6: in the course, what he would do is do a

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Speaker 6: parole authority, which is what Biden was doing and Obama

762
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Speaker 6: was doing to allow all these illegal aliens. And parole

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Speaker 6: was a presidential power for people who were like their

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Speaker 6: parents were dying in the United States and they wanted

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Speaker 6: to fly out, but they didn't have a correct visa.

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Speaker 6: A president would parole a single person, and then under

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Speaker 6: ob Obama started parolling millions of people, and Biden even

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Speaker 6: exacerbated the issue. Trump's been very against parole authority during

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Speaker 6: his first term and during a second. That's really his

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Speaker 6: only loophole. But there's not a legality into getting a

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Speaker 6: green card from that. So you're asking very wealthy, high

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Speaker 6: income people who could probably get a citizenship the long way,

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Speaker 6: very very easily, by saying we're going to short term

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Speaker 6: it by this parole program that I don't really have

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Speaker 6: legal authority for two. So you're going to be in

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Speaker 6: the gray zone for quite a bit of time while

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Speaker 6: we sell this in courts. I don't think a lot

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Speaker 6: of wealthy individuals unless they are sponsored by governments, which

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Speaker 6: he did not sit there and say if he's against

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Speaker 6: or four. He was saying, anyone could qualify Russian Holigarts,

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Speaker 6: the Chinese, everybody, and by the EB five ye is

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Speaker 6: that you cannot be You cannot be sponsored by a

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Speaker 6: foreign country. You have to have the cash yourself. That

784
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Speaker 6: doesn't make any sense, like there's no there is no

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Speaker 6: way to sit there and get and get these kinds

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Speaker 6: of people in if they're being going to be okay

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Speaker 6: being in a gray legal authority for a year or

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Speaker 6: possibly his entire four year term.

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Speaker 1: What do you like about what Trump is doing so

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Speaker 1: far on immigration policy? Ryan, Let's take his let's take

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Speaker 1: this to a happy place for a minute.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: Listen.

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Speaker 6: I agree, O listen the mass deportations. I like him.

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Speaker 6: I hope they go out faster, I think. Listen, if

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Speaker 6: Trump gets the birthright citizenship case in his favor and

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Speaker 6: he ends birthright citizenship for illegal immigrants, I don't care

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Speaker 6: if he sleeps for the next four years. I don't

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Speaker 6: care what he does. He will be one of the

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Speaker 6: greatest presidents and most consequential, not only of my lifetime,

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Speaker 6: of the last century. This is one of the worst

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Speaker 6: things that's going on in our country and hasn't for

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Speaker 6: a long time. It's amazing that he's taking this huge, huge,

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Speaker 6: huge scamble on this as part of his early earliness agenda.

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Speaker 6: That is great. But the problem with Trump with this

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Speaker 6: EB five thing, like with the goazless ship thing, is

807
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Speaker 6: in his head he's always kind of making a resort. So, yeah,

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Speaker 6: you're going to make a resort in Gaza. You're gonna

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Speaker 6: sit there and make American into a resort and you

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Speaker 6: just have to pay, you know, five million dollars to

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Speaker 6: sit by the pool and get a martini. Serve to

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Speaker 6: you that that is the fundamental issue. So you can

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Speaker 6: have Howard Lutnick, who's former Caunter Fitzgerald CEO, billionaire donor

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Speaker 6: brain who sees America as a transactional proposition, you have

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Speaker 6: an issue. I believe America is for people who invested

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Speaker 6: in this country, not for five million dollars, but for

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Speaker 6: generations and build this country.

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Speaker 1: And there's okay.

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Speaker 2: So let me ask you that we agree with a

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Speaker 2: lot of this stuff. Let me ask you this, what

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Speaker 2: policies have you heard from a Republican or Democrat that

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Speaker 2: are logical and makes sense that that would make sense

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Speaker 2: to get rid of some part of our thirty six

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Speaker 2: trillion dollar debt. Because here's my concern, Ryan, I think

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Speaker 2: of everything out there right now, to the extent that

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Speaker 2: I am concerned about things for the next one hundred years,

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Speaker 2: long after everybody listening now is gone. I think our

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Speaker 2: national debt is the biggest threat that America faces because

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Speaker 2: the more and more it grows, the less we can

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Speaker 2: allow the country to flourish, and the more foreign nations

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Speaker 2: can have entanglements because they own a substantial portion of

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Speaker 2: our debt.

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Speaker 1: So what have you seen?

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious this The reason I like this policy

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Speaker 2: is Trump's got a conversation going about trying to address it.

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Speaker 1: In a new way.

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Speaker 2: What have you heard or seen? And you think, hey,

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Speaker 2: this does make sense? Because I do bet you agree.

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Speaker 2: The national debt is a huge mess.

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Speaker 6: It's a huge, huge problem. And doen doge and coins

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Speaker 6: and goal visas are not going to solve the problem

842
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Speaker 6: of Congress not doing the work. You have to have Medicare,

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Speaker 6: Medicaid and social security reform. You have to have reform

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Speaker 6: the Department of Defense. You have to stop policing the world.

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Speaker 6: That is first and foremost. I think we should still

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Speaker 6: be suing government of China for COVID. I think we

847
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 6: should absolutely be suing for what they did to our

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Speaker 6: nation during COVID and the breakup of the debt that

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Speaker 6: we did then. And I've heard things about minting a

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Speaker 6: trillion dollar chip and sitting there and using that to

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Speaker 6: pay off the debt. I've heard of a lot of

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Speaker 6: different things. But Congress has to stop spending like drunken sailors.

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Speaker 6: Nothing that Elon Musk or a goal Visa or anybody

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Speaker 6: else will do as long as Congress is there and

855
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Speaker 6: spends us into oblivion. We have to stop letting Congress

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Speaker 6: just endlessly sit there and just spend money, money, good money,

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Speaker 6: chasing bad projects. Has to stop.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Gerdusky, everybody play anything else? We good?

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Speaker 7: All right?

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Speaker 1: No, I mean he's.

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Speaker 2: Totally wrong on this. Congratulations on the baby. By the way,

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Speaker 2: do you have any tip for Buck on fatherhood? As

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Speaker 2: Buck will soon be a father in the next like

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Speaker 2: six eight weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: You everything that you say, a lot of your selfish,

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Speaker 2: Up to Maine, where state Representative Laurel Libby has been

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Speaker 2: fighting a battle that I think most of you who

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Speaker 2: are listening to us in Maine will agree with, and

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Speaker 2: certainly the vast majority of you listen listening nationwide will

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Speaker 2: agree with as well. Laurel, your governor was Janet Mills,

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Speaker 2: I believe, on Friday, directly confronted by President Trump over

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Speaker 2: whether she was going to continue to allow men who

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Speaker 2: identify as women to be competing in women's sporting events.

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Speaker 2: She said she was. She said she was going to

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Speaker 2: sue Trump. You've been fighting back against this absurdity. What

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Speaker 2: is the latest on the ground in Maine, and what

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Speaker 2: has happened to you for being as out spoken in

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Speaker 2: favor of a crazy idea men should compete against men

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Speaker 2: and women should compete against women.

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Speaker 9: Yeah. Absolutely, thanks for having me on today. You know,

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Speaker 9: Governor Mills is completely out of touch with her constituency.

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Speaker 9: The vast majority of manors do not agree with her

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Speaker 9: extremist viewpoint that biological meals should be paying female sports.

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Speaker 9: They support commonsent and ensuring face and level playing fields,

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Speaker 9: and so most folks are quite disappointed to see Governor

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Speaker 9: Mills having this standoff with President Trump when he's simply

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Speaker 9: speaking up and standing up for main girls where our

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Speaker 9: governor should be. Frankly, I have been now censured for

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Speaker 9: my views because of a post that I made on Facebook,

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Speaker 9: and my right to vote my constituents and speak on

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Speaker 9: the floor is now has now been as of this week,

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Speaker 9: because becuzz of speaking up for me and girls.

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Speaker 1: Well, Laurel, let's get into what exactly happened here my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Our understanding is that you posted on Facebook last week

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Speaker 1: showing a trans student, so a man or a young

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Speaker 1: man or whatever winning a female state championship pole vaulting competition.

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Speaker 1: So oh, here was this is the quote, I believe

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Speaker 1: another day, another instance of an unremarkable biological male athlete

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Speaker 1: who couldn't win against other males dominating girls' sports. That

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Speaker 1: is a statement of largely at least a statement of fact.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I guess they could say there's some aspect

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Speaker 1: of opinion in there, but that's also protected by the

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Speaker 1: First Amendment. What are you being censured for? What is

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Speaker 1: the problem according to the people who think you need

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Speaker 1: to be censored?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know that's not even the post I'm being

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Speaker 9: censured for. The post I'm being censured for was on

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Speaker 9: Facebook and it simply highlighted that John had won fifth

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Speaker 9: place at a regional competition last year, and that as

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Speaker 9: Katie this year he won the state championships. He last

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Speaker 9: participated as a male as a young man last year

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Speaker 9: in June, and now this February he's winning a state

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Speaker 9: championship as a quote unquote girl. It is absolutely, completely,

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Speaker 9: without question, completely unfair. He has displaced biological females from

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Speaker 9: their rightful place at the top of that podium. And

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Speaker 9: the left are incredibly angry that this has been pointed

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Speaker 9: out and that everyone in Maine and across the country

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Speaker 9: can see that the Emperor has no clothes and that

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Speaker 9: this is absolutely going on in our state, and they

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Speaker 9: think it's unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: So let's go into this.

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Speaker 2: In particular, Trump lost the state of Maine by seven

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Speaker 2: points on a political basis in twenty twenty four. He

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Speaker 2: won one electoral vote in the northern part of the state.

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Speaker 2: Because Maine, it's electoral votes. What percentage you live in Maine.

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Speaker 2: We've taken a lot of calls from people in Maine,

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Speaker 2: gotten a lot of reaction. What percentage of the residence

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Speaker 2: of the state of Maine do you think agree with

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Speaker 2: virtually everything that you are saying.

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Speaker 9: I think that Maine follows the national eighty percent polling.

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Speaker 9: And I say that because I've had so much outreach

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Speaker 9: from Democrats, and so I try to be careful talking

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Speaker 9: about this because this is an issue where Augusta Democrats,

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Speaker 9: those in power are outliers. I think from what I'm

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Speaker 9: seeing that by and large, Maine Democrats at ordinary, everyday

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Speaker 9: manors all of these national trends, this eighty twenty where

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Speaker 9: sixty three percent of Democrats, you know, ninety some percent

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Speaker 9: of Republicans. I think we follow on those lines. It's

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Speaker 9: an eighty twenty issue in Maine. I can't tell you

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Speaker 9: how many Democrats I have heard from in our state

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Speaker 9: who specifically on ify they say, I am a Democrat,

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Speaker 9: you are right?

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Speaker 1: Or speaking to Maine State Representative Laurel Libby, and Laurel,

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Speaker 1: let me ask you, why do you think the governor

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Speaker 1: of your state, apart from the ideological adherence to this right,

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Speaker 1: are there special interests that she's trying to play kate

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Speaker 1: to your knowledge? Is it? Are there donors or big

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Speaker 1: NGOs or something that are have given her a lot

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Speaker 1: of campaign money? Because it just seems to your point,

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Speaker 1: it's an eighty twenty issue, it's rather straightforward. The photo

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Speaker 1: you shared of the bilog, I mean, it's a man, Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's a young man competing against women. Anyone can see

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Speaker 1: this and realize it is absurd and it's wrong. So

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Speaker 1: is there any outside reason, or any external reason beyond

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Speaker 1: ideology that is making the in your opinion, making the

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Speaker 1: governor of Maine take this bizarre position?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think it's multifactorial. It's certainly catering

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Speaker 9: to their base, which I think is a political or

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Speaker 9: on their part because they're so off, But I think, yeah,

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Speaker 9: I think that they just don't think that they can lose.

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Speaker 9: And that's the thing. They've gotten really cocky, because you know,

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Speaker 9: Governor Mills is in six years now and has another

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Speaker 9: two years in this second term, and the Democrats have

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Speaker 9: maintained a majority for those six years, despite the fact

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Speaker 9: that they are flushing Maine down the toilet. This is

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Speaker 9: far from the only extreme policy that has been passed

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Speaker 9: in our state, but this is the first time that

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Speaker 9: I've seen such a significant awakening to how extreme their

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Speaker 9: policies are. And Governor Mills is not used to being

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Speaker 9: challenged by anyone who has the power to actually take action,

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Speaker 9: so this is the first time she is facing a

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Speaker 9: significant challenger to the tyranny going on in our state.

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Speaker 9: So I think there's multiple factors at play here, but

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Speaker 9: I think one of those is just a feeling that

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Speaker 9: they're impervious, which I think is going to be proven

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Speaker 9: very wrong.

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Speaker 2: Would you ever believe, Laurel that we would have a

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Speaker 2: situation where the Democrat Party would basically support men who

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Speaker 2: are identifying as women being able to compete in women's sports,

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Speaker 2: and Republicans would say, hey, we don't do this, and

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Speaker 2: to your point, this is not really a political issue.

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Speaker 2: Sixty seven percent of Democrats agree with that statement. Seventy

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Speaker 2: nine percent, as you mentioned earlier, this according the New

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Speaker 2: York Times of people nationwide, ninety four percent of Republicans.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to get eighty percent of people to agree

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Speaker 2: on anything. We've got eighty percent agreement here. There's a

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Speaker 2: vote coming up on the Senate floor Monday. Senator John

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Speaker 2: Thune's office just sent me a message to make us

1033
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Speaker 2: aware they wanted me to share with the audience that

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Speaker 2: they are going to vote to try to pass the

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Speaker 2: law in the Senate that has already passed the House.

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Speaker 2: Isn't this just basic common sense, Laurel.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it is just basic common sense. But you know,

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Speaker 9: the main Democrat party is not known for common sense.

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Speaker 9: So let's make that really clear. They don't have an

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Speaker 9: abundance of that. It's in short supply here in Maine.

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Speaker 9: And so it does not surprise me at all that

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Speaker 9: we are here because they are out of touch with

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Speaker 9: their manor with fellow manors in so many other ways

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Speaker 9: as well. This is just the most recent illustration of it.

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Speaker 1: Do you have any interest, Oh, go ahead, Claig, go ahead, No,

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Speaker 1: I was just.

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Speaker 2: Going to say, do you have any sense on how

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Speaker 2: Susan Collins comes down on this? Because she's up for

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Speaker 2: reelection in twenty twenty six and that's the biggest statewide

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Speaker 2: battle I would imagine that will happen in the near future.

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Speaker 2: Has she reached out any of her staff? Do you

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Speaker 2: have a sense of what she thinks about this debate?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I've seen her quoted in speaking up

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Speaker 9: that girl sports should should be for girls and not

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Speaker 9: biological males. I believe that she was also quoted saying

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Speaker 9: that it's a state issue, so you know, walking that

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Speaker 9: tearful line that she does.

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Speaker 1: Any interest in running for governor yourself at some point

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Speaker 1: sounds like this might be might be a good job

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Speaker 1: for you.

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Speaker 9: I've certainly been hearing that question a lot, But right

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Speaker 9: now my focus is on main girls and their rights,

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Speaker 9: which are being absolutely trampled in our states. But I

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Speaker 9: think we have a window of opportunity here, thanks to

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Speaker 9: the Trump administration, to tackle that and hopefully ensure that

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Speaker 9: main girls have a fair and level playing field. At

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Speaker 9: some point in the near future. It won't happen because

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Speaker 9: of state intervention that's absolutely one hundred percent in my book.

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Speaker 9: But I have hope that thanks to the administration, we might.

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Speaker 1: See changed outstanding stuff. Laurel.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate you reaching out, Laurel Libby, State Rep. In Maine,

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Speaker 2: fighting for basic common sense when it comes to women's.

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Speaker 1: Sports related issues.

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Speaker 2: Laurel, we appreciate the time and keep us updated on

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Speaker 2: how things are going up there.

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Speaker 9: Thanks so much.

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