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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading

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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. Uh what would you say? Addition,

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Speaker 1: as we put Dave Lapham on the clock and on

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Speaker 1: know what you're thinking. We already know what they're going

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Speaker 1: to do. Well, that's true in the first round. So

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Speaker 1: this year, I'll get laps prediction for their first pick

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Speaker 1: of the second round and it's not one of the

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Speaker 1: most frequently mentioned names. Plus, I'll talk to the Bengals

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Speaker 1: first round draft pick for last year, offensive lineman Jonah

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Speaker 1: Williams as he prepares to protect his new quarterbacks blind side.

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Speaker 1: Party presented by Bows Thursday at seven thirty as we

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Speaker 1: count down to the number one pick. It's a tradition

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Speaker 1: on this podcast just before the draft for Dave Lapham

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Speaker 1: and me to play prognosticators, but this year we had

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Speaker 1: to change things up a bit, all right, lap Over

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Speaker 1: the years, you have become legendary for your ability to

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Speaker 1: predict the Bengals first round draft pick. Nostradamis like over

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Speaker 1: the years, Kevin Zeitler in two twelve, when the world

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Speaker 1: was saying David de Castro, Tyler Eifford in two thirteen,

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Speaker 1: So your track record is very good. I'm positive you're

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Speaker 1: going to get that first round pick right this year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: All Right, So I've I've made the Queen election, even

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Speaker 1: knowing that it's a little bit of a cheat. I'm

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Speaker 1: using Peter King's mock draft as my rationale for being

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Speaker 1: able to select Patrick Queen. But just to be a

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Speaker 1: little bit more fair, I'll pick another guy my one

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Speaker 1: A selection, and this is somebody I mentioned on a

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Speaker 1: previous podcast, Utah cornerback Jalen Johnson. I think he's got

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Speaker 1: what you're looking for at the position. He's tall, he's

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Speaker 1: about a six footer, about two hundred pounds, had a

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Speaker 1: great career at Utah, and I think it will reflect

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Speaker 1: the fact that Will Jackson's going into the final year

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Speaker 1: of his deal. They only signed Mackenzie Alexander for one

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Speaker 1: They have prioritized cornerbacks high in the draft in the past.

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Speaker 1: So if I can't get Queen my official prediction, I

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Speaker 1: will move to my one A selection. Utah cornerback Jalen Johnson.

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Speaker 1: My one a selection would be if all these linebackers

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Speaker 1: get taken and quarterbacks Coultie, what if one of the

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Speaker 1: better offensive tackle slides. It's it's a pretty it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty deep draft in offensive tackles. But I mean there's

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Speaker 1: there's a little bit of a drop between, you know,

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Speaker 1: the first handful and the next level. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: people say wills Worth, you know, the Flipplop, which one

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Speaker 1: they think is number one? They've got to Becton in

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Speaker 1: that in that mix, the monster out of Louisville. They

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Speaker 1: have Andrew Thomas from Georgia, you know in that mix.

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Speaker 1: Um to me, Johnston from USC has got tremendous movement.

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Speaker 1: Jackson would be a great pass protector in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League. But I mentioned this guy, Isaiah Wilson, and

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Speaker 1: I saw I think Cougar King had Isaiah Wilson in

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Speaker 1: the first round. I'm not mistaken. I think I saw

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Speaker 1: Isaiah Wilson at the end of the first round in

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Speaker 1: Peter King's mock. Guys seven three hundred fifty pounds the

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Speaker 1: other tackle at Georgia. I'm not you know, Law needs

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Speaker 1: some work, but he will mull you now. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: have the movement that Jackson has. So it's like, do

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Speaker 1: you want the is big behemoth out there who will

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Speaker 1: you know, eclipse the sun and be hard to get around,

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Speaker 1: or do you want you know, more of an athletic

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Speaker 1: movement guy that isn't quite a stout. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: just pick, you know, pick your poison. And I do

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Speaker 1: think the Bengals covered that, you know, the big monster's guy,

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Speaker 1: so Isaiah Wilson might be again, might be a little rich.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think if they can trade back guys

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Speaker 1: like we're talking about, yeah, you know, could still be

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Speaker 1: there and they pick up another draft pick, I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's the home run obviously, but it takes

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Speaker 1: two to tango. You have to have, you know, somebody

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Speaker 1: that's willing to pull a trigger with. And I think

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Speaker 1: if you trade out of the first pick in the

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Speaker 1: second round, you are looking for a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: so a second and a third, or maybe somebody's second

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Speaker 1: and high fourth. That would be a realistic expectation. If

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Speaker 1: you give up the first pick in the second round,

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Speaker 1: and that's the sweet spot of the draft. I mean

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Speaker 1: this draft that I was talking to John Lynch at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, And I'm like, John, you got the

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Speaker 1: thirteenth pick in the draft at you know, have another

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Speaker 1: draft choice till the fifth round. And he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're you know, we're thinking, you know, we're

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Speaker 1: going to work hard, suit we can how valuable that

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Speaker 1: thirteenth pick in the first round is did There's no

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Speaker 1: doubt about that. He goes, but we feel comfortable that

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Speaker 1: there's a starting wide receiver for us in the fifth round.

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Speaker 1: That's how deep the wide receiver position is. They think

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Speaker 1: that toward the middle of the of the you know,

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Speaker 1: of the fifth round, middle toward you know, middle or

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Speaker 1: back third of the first round, they can still get

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Speaker 1: a starting caliber wide out. That's how much value there

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Speaker 1: is every single round, you know, at the at the

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Speaker 1: wide receiver position. And uh, you know that's not the

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's it's very very deep at wide receiver,

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Speaker 1: the deepest obviously, but fortunately for the Bengals, it's deep

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Speaker 1: at linebacker. It's deep at offensive tackle. There's a half

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Speaker 1: a dozen cornerbacks, you know, and then it kind of drops.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a questionable draft for for tight ends, defensive tackles.

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Speaker 1: There are some, you know, real good ones at the top,

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Speaker 1: but it's not quite as deep at the interior defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: So this draft couldn't hit the Bengals, you know, with

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Speaker 1: some of their needs pretty darn well, particularly you know

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Speaker 1: when you're talking about getting extra you know, second or

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Speaker 1: third or even early fourth round picks. All right, we're

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Speaker 1: gonna move on to our next topic, and this is

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Speaker 1: sort of along the prediction line. I want you to

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Speaker 1: give me a few names for guys later in the

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Speaker 1: draft that you would love to see wind up in

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Speaker 1: a Bengals uniform. Here's the guy that's split up into

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Speaker 1: the first round in some mock drafts. LK and Wilson.

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Speaker 1: Kid that I've been talking about, saw him at the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Played at Wyoming. He was one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ninety five pound wide receiver, defensive back in high school.

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Speaker 1: Three year captain at Wyoming, First All American at Wyoming

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Speaker 1: since like nineteen ninety seven. Very intelligent guy. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: sup four to six at six two two forty five,

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Speaker 1: two fifty issue. He's twenty three years old though, so

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Speaker 1: you know he's he'll be twenty four shortly. He's he's

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Speaker 1: not He's not you know, a kid which you can

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Speaker 1: look at as a positive and negative. He has more

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Speaker 1: more years on him, obviously, but but he's mature and

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Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl then this dude was serious as

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Speaker 1: a heart attack. Now. I mean he he was all

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Speaker 1: business down there. I'm watching, you know, I tried to watch,

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Speaker 1: not just because he can't watch, can't go in the meetings,

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Speaker 1: but I'm watching guys, all right, who's gravitating to who

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Speaker 1: Who's you know, Who's who's the the uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: the big person personality, Who's the guy that people want

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Speaker 1: to hang with and talk football or whatever? And this guy, man,

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Speaker 1: he wanted none of that stuff. I mean, he was

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Speaker 1: just on time. He was the first guy there, you know,

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Speaker 1: totally serious. Look, never cracked a smile. I'm here. This

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Speaker 1: is a business trip, and I'm treating it as such.

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Speaker 1: And man, I'll tell you what. If he's done in

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Speaker 1: the third round, got gotta think about him a little bit. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's he's he's definitely definitely an interesting, you know,

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Speaker 1: interesting guy. Um, there's a guy that in the third

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Speaker 1: round caliber player offensive lineman to play that the senior

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Speaker 1: Bill Matt Kurt from Connecticut six seven, three hundred and

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Speaker 1: eighteen pound guy or another you know another uh you know,

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Speaker 1: uh mature guy. Um you know that. I think that

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Speaker 1: that I'm not sure even third round, even with the

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Speaker 1: first pick in the fourth round, he could very well

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Speaker 1: be there for you, There's no question he can very

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Speaker 1: well be there, um third round. I mean if from

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Speaker 1: the wide receiver position, what if a guy like Ragar

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Speaker 1: or Pittman or are you what if those one of

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Speaker 1: those guys is there at the very beginning of the

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Speaker 1: third round as possible, because if they're a second round,

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Speaker 1: you know, second round rated person, it could easily slide

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Speaker 1: to the first pick of the third round. So I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, guys like that. I just really think that

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Speaker 1: with the depth of some of these positions that the

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Speaker 1: Bengals would have no problem taking another player at um man,

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Speaker 1: They're they're in a good position there. Don't think it's

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Speaker 1: going to be picking for the time one hundred players

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Speaker 1: in the country the ninety seventh pick in the draft.

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Speaker 1: But a guy, you know, it's interesting you look at

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Speaker 1: Logan Wilson like I was talking about. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: rated as a player anywhere from twenty ninth best in

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Speaker 1: the country to like in the one thirties or almost

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Speaker 1: one forty because you'd swing and it's it's it's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's funny how to each their own. Everybody has different opinions,

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Speaker 1: and and but it only takes one you know, only

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Speaker 1: takes one team to rate a kid twenty ninth best player.

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Speaker 1: And if he's there at the end of the first round,

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Speaker 1: you haven't need a linebacker. You know, he could get taked,

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Speaker 1: or he could be there early in the second round,

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Speaker 1: or you know, uh, if it's more like people that

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Speaker 1: haven't rated, uh, you know, and let's let's split the difference,

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Speaker 1: haven't rated in the in the sixties or seventies, you

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Speaker 1: could be there for in the third round, and it'd

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Speaker 1: be a great pick in the third round. And I

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Speaker 1: think that's where a guy like Logan Wilson or you know,

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Speaker 1: a guy like Kurt or people like that, you know,

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Speaker 1: might be available. So I'm interested that you identified Wyoming

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Speaker 1: linebacker Logan Wilson and didn't mention a Keen Davis Gaither,

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Speaker 1: because that's the guy who, it seems to me, pops

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Speaker 1: up most often as a third round potential Bengals linebacker selection.

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Speaker 1: And he's I saw him at the Senior Bowl. He

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Speaker 1: was on the South team Dan and he's like he's

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Speaker 1: a little laundersized and runs about like the other He's fast.

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Speaker 1: I like him. I like him a lot. I mean

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Speaker 1: I could see him maybe third might be a little

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Speaker 1: rich as high in the third round as they are,

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Speaker 1: but if they get an additional third or that, definitely

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Speaker 1: he's in the fourth round. If he's there on the

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Speaker 1: fourth round, boom, no hesitation, I'm taking that kid in

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Speaker 1: the fourth round, no doubt about it. All right. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give a few names now that I would love

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Speaker 1: to see wind up with the Bengals at some point

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Speaker 1: later in the draft. I'll actually start with a third

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Speaker 1: round possibility. And this gets back to something you were saying.

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Speaker 1: One of these highly touted widery evers that's a first

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Speaker 1: round grade on somebody's board is going to be there

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Speaker 1: at the top of the third round because of the

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Speaker 1: depth of this year's class. And the guy that I

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Speaker 1: am going to identify as a potential top of the

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Speaker 1: third round wide receiver is Laviskas Chenault from Colorado. And

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Speaker 1: the reason why I could see him sliding is his

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Speaker 1: injury history. He was hurt at the combine. He needed

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Speaker 1: surgery after the combine. I think it was something like

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Speaker 1: a sports hernia, so it's something he should bounce back from.

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Speaker 1: But it's just one more factor for why he might

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Speaker 1: be there at the top of the third round. So

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Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out Laviska Chenault as the holy cow,

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Speaker 1: that guy's still on the board selection and say that

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Speaker 1: I would love to see him still there at the

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Speaker 1: top of the third round. As for other guys I

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Speaker 1: would love to see at some point, we're talking like

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Speaker 1: fifth to seventh round. Got a soft spot for UC

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Speaker 1: tight end Josiah Deguara, having watched him play for the Bearcats.

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Speaker 1: Six two, two hundred forty two pounds, so he's a

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Speaker 1: little bit shorter than you would like at tight end,

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Speaker 1: but he crushed at the combine. Ran a four seven

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Speaker 1: forty had the sixth best forty time among the tight ends,

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Speaker 1: number one of the bench press among the tight ends

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Speaker 1: with twenty five reps. It's a guy that was about

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Speaker 1: two hundred ten pounds when he got to UC, added

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Speaker 1: thirty five pounds during his Bearcat career. He would be

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Speaker 1: great on special teams. He played special teams at UC,

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Speaker 1: had more catches as a UC tight end than anybody

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Speaker 1: in school history, including Travis Kelsey or a Brent Sellek.

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Speaker 1: So I would love to see Josiah Deguara wind up

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Speaker 1: with the Bengals late in the draft. He was Jonah

628
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Speaker 1: Williams high school teammate in Fulsome, California, so they are

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Speaker 1: fast friends. So I've got a soft spot in my

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Speaker 1: heart for Josiah Deguara. I also would love to see

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Speaker 1: Michael Warren wind up with Cincinnati at the end of

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Speaker 1: the draft. The great you see running back former mister

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Speaker 1: football in the state of Ohio. But let me throw

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Speaker 1: out one non Bearcat, and this is a guy that

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Speaker 1: you would have seen at the Senior Bowl. Colorado linebacker

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Speaker 1: Davian Taylor, who's a total wild card because of his

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Speaker 1: family's religious beliefs. He was his family as a Seventh

638
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Speaker 1: day Adventist. He did not basically play high school football,

639
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 1: then went to junior college, wound up at Colorado. Crazy athlete.

640
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: Ran the one hundred and the two hundred at Colorado

641
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: even though he's an undersized linebacker, then ran a four

642
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: three nine at his pro day the same as Isaiah Simmons.

643
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Totally raw. Doesn't know what he's doing at this point

644
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: at linebacker but he would be that to take a

645
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 1: chance on a guy type of late draft pick. I'll

646
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: tell you there are so many linebackers that can run.

647
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: But chan that you mentioned another guy, are you the

648
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,479
Speaker 1: same type of guy? They're they're good um run after

649
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 1: catch receivers, so they play receiver like a running back,

650
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: and I think their style of play can lead to injury,

651
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: you know, because they're so physical. I mean the they

652
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: basically they covered contact, you know, and the physical part

653
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: of the game is is big with them. And the

654
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 1: Bengals coached at the at the Senior Bowl like them,

655
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: like them a lot, and uh, Luke Fickle came over

656
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: to see him and visit him at practice. Uh you know,

657
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: when he was recruiting down there in Alabama, MIDI recruiting

658
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: trip out of it to stop over and see the kid.

659
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: And they love them jan Dan As you know obviously

660
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: he's he's a he's a great kid. And Darren Simmons,

661
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: you know, uh thought that he could obviously make an

662
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: impact on special teams as well. But there are there

663
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: are so many linebackers that in this year's draft that

664
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 1: run like cornerbacks. I mean they're running the fourth three.

665
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: If you don't run if you're if you're four six

666
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: or more, you're man, You're you're you're pokey. I mean,

667
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: you can't run. You can't with these guys. It is unbelievable.

668
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: There's a there's a kid named Gay that ran like

669
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,359
Speaker 1: a four you know, sub four four forty Will Gay,

670
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: linebacker from Mississippi State. Yeah, that kid, he ran a four.

671
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: He ran a four four six with a thirty nine

672
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 1: and a half inch vertical leap. And this kid is

673
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, look you look at it and it doesn't

674
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: really translates a football player yet. He's ras rock and B.

675
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: But you look at some of the physical things that

676
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: these guys did, It's like, god, Lee, man, what are

677
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: they eating? How are they working out? What the heck

678
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: are these genetic freaks doing. It's the forty times, you know,

679
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: and I know they know you can make so much

680
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: money at the combine. They have tracked coaches, you know,

681
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,759
Speaker 1: teaching them all if we trick of the trade, that

682
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: run the best forty times they can possibly run, and

683
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 1: the best get offf they can get for, you know,

684
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: playing twenty splits and then the forty's. It's turned into

685
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 1: a cottage industry on its own. But the fact that

686
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: they can get themselves and you know, trained to be

687
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: able to run like that is incomprehensible. And then you

688
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: look at almost a forty inch vertical. I mean, that's

689
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: your sheer explosion. Now you have, guys, you have an

690
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: offer works at three hundred and thirty. Some old pounds

691
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: had a thirty six inch vertical and ran a four

692
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: eight five forty Are you kidding me? That's that's ungodly.

693
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean that that's ridiculous. That the numbers that some

694
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: of these guys put up at the combines these days,

695
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: it is crazy. What was your reaction to Gronk to

696
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: the Bucks? I mean not shock, miles, surprise, but when

697
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,720
Speaker 1: Gronk had that emotional presser where he said, you know, um,

698
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: I was losing the joy in my life. Bottom line

699
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,520
Speaker 1: is here here, here's here's in the nutshell. In my opinion,

700
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick grinds you to dust and you can you go,

701
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick will always have player they want to

702
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: go to the winning because they want to win a

703
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. But staying there for Gronk was there for

704
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 1: nine years, Brady for twenty. Brady is the most mentally

705
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: tough guy. I think there isn't the history of the

706
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: world for him to put up with Bill Belichick for

707
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: twenty years, nine super bowls, win six of them. You know,

708
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: Gronk won a bunch of Super Bowls as well. You

709
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: pay a serious price, though, at some point in time,

710
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: even winning super Bowls becomes, oh my god, this is dredgery,

711
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: this is this is no fun. And Gronk's whole thing

712
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: at that press was, you know, I just I'm struggling.

713
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: He was almost crying. He was almost tears, and I

714
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 1: don't have a joy in life that I need. Bottom

715
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: line is, as it turned out, he had just burnt

716
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: out mentally with the grind of Bill Belichick, and he

717
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: physically felt like he could still, you know, get it done.

718
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: I heard he's already back up to about two sixty,

719
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: had lost a ton of weight. He's back up to

720
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: about two sixty and uh, you know, I'm sure he'll

721
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 1: be a situational guy down red zone. Um, you know

722
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 1: those types of things. I don't think they're gonna grind

723
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: him like the like the Patriots did. But Dan, when

724
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: he was playing, even even the last the last season

725
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: he played, his numbers were down in terms of but

726
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: he was like a third tackle, the best blocking tight

727
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: end in football. So I mean, the guy is a

728
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: complete player. Does he have anything after being off for

729
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: the amount of time? Is his body recovered or is

730
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: it where it's well, that's too much, Like I'm not

731
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna be able to get back to the level of

732
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: play that I was able to play out. I mean

733
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: that's the big question. You know, Brady and Rock, it's

734
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: gonna be a you know, a side show down there

735
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 1: in U in Tampa Bay with Bruce arians allowing Ron

736
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: to eat Rock. And that's gonna be matrid. You know,

737
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 1: that's gonna be a Matriot Garden reality TV deal down there. Um.

738
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason he's gonna do it.

739
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,919
Speaker 1: Is the antithesis of Bill Belichick is Bruce arians Ea

740
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Speaker 1: likes is fun. PA's gonna be Pa is going to

741
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: have a good time. He's gonna have himself an adult beverage,

742
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 1: is going to have his He's gonna kick back and relax.

743
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean, and he's gonna he's gonna have a different

744
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: relationship with as players. It's not gonna be drudgery. It's

745
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna be fun. And I think that's a big thing

746
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: I think that's Grady and Cronk. I think that's what

747
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: they're both looking for at this stage of their careers.

748
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: Could guys have played ten to twenty years for Forrest Greg,

749
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's that's that's a very that was a

750
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 1: meat grinder, you know. And with collective bargaining, the union

751
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: being so much stronger, and um, you know, the safety

752
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: is a supposed priority of players. Uh, Forrest, Greg would

753
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:40,560
Speaker 1: have to adapt to today's football. I mean the training

754
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: camps we have, the forest, Greg, mana chevits Now, you

755
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: slept well at night, you know, you woke up from

756
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: morning swamp. You slept well at night. I'm telling you that.

757
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:52,080
Speaker 1: And uh, you know you started training camp but a

758
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,319
Speaker 1: little over sixty four and finished at about sixty three.

759
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 1: You're looking so much he netcut shortened, you know. I

760
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: mean it was one of one of those kinds of deals.

761
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: But again, you know, Lombardi he had credibility with us

762
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: because he did everything Lombardi asked him, and Lobarti asked

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00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 1: him to do every bit that he was asking us

764
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: to do, and maybe even more so. But the bottom

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Speaker 1: line is, I'm not sure there's I don't think there's

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00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: any way you could play twenty years with that type

767
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: of pace, you know, that type of a pounding and

768
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 1: a grinding that went on physically, that if you made

769
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: ten there was a big deal. Twenty would have been like,

770
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: are you kidding me? That's incomprehensible. All right. I don't

771
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: know about you, but I am really excited about this draft.

772
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: I'm always excited about the draft. I love it. I

773
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: love reading about these guys in the days leading up

774
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: to it. But we are so starved for some sort

775
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: of live sporting event right now. I just think it's

776
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: going to be awesome to watch. I do too, you know,

777
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: I think that, like we were talking about, you know,

778
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: almost kiddingly, they could have made an exception this year

779
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 1: and done an entire week and had each round you know,

780
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: take and probably less time round one, you know, maybe

781
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: the first three rounds two hour shows. Maybe give each

782
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: team ten minutes for each pick, so the networks could

783
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: run all every all kinds of things about every player

784
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: that they could run and have the country just absorb,

785
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, every story. And there's there's some amazing stories,

786
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's it's incredible every year, not

787
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: just from football standpoint, but what these guys you know,

788
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: had to be exposed to, uh, you know, in their lives.

789
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean some of the some of the things that

790
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: some of these players had to overcome, you know, Uh

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00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: Murray for example, the linebacker from Oklahoma. UM. They saying

792
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: that at the UH when he interviews with people, it's

793
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: the best they've ever been around. Multiple teams have said that.

794
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got he's got three special needs siblings.

795
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: He helps his parents with three special needs siblings growing

796
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,760
Speaker 1: up his whole life. You know, stories like that. It's like, man,

797
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: So I think they could have They could have made

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Speaker 1: the draft probably you know, the first three three rounds

799
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Speaker 1: two hours and then an hour each from that point

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Speaker 1: forward to finish it off, and would have had huge numbers.

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Speaker 1: Seven million people watched the Last Dance, the first episode

802
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,359
Speaker 1: of Last Dance. What kind of numbers is the draft

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00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: going to get? The live draft? What kind of numbers?

804
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: It's going to be crazy? It definitely will be. And

805
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: let the record show that if the Bengals select Jordan Brooks,

806
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,800
Speaker 1: linebacker out of Texas Tech, and round two, Dave Lapham's

807
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 1: legend will grow. Well. I honestly, I hope Queen's there

808
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: because I'd like to select him. That's kind of what

809
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: happened last year. As I recall, you had predicted that

810
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: Andre Dillard would be their first round pick, but you said,

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Speaker 1: if Jonah Williams is there, you didn't expect him to be,

812
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: but if he was there, the Bengals would run to

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00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: the podium to make the selection. And that's basically how

814
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 1: it played out right right, And that you know, I

815
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: think I do think that you know, Queen Is is

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00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: somebody that you have to you have to give high

817
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: regard this another guy. These guys run like deers. I'm

818
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: telling you though, the more you watch Chase and you know,

819
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: I know, I know it's a clear cut situation. You know,

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00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: with the Washington Redskins, you know I would not There's

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00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: no way they're not taking Chase Young. That this guy

822
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:21,760
Speaker 1: is like a you know, it's like a superhero physically,

823
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,439
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gets ridiculous. Chase on No. I telling you, now,

824
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: this guy can pass rush and the thing that he

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00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: can do when he gets the edge, he can almost

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Speaker 1: put his right shoulder when he dips, you know, to

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Speaker 1: the quarterback or his left shoulders. He's rushing them from

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00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: right end and they have to, you know, dip and bend.

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00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,360
Speaker 1: This guy bends, I'm telling you, Ben, his elbows almost

830
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: on the ground. His shoulders looks like it's almost like

831
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: a foot and a half two feet off the ground.

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00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,240
Speaker 1: The dude can bend like like Gumby. It's the athletes

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00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: in the physical abilities of these athletes on a on

834
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: a year by year basis is confounding and astounding. All right,

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Speaker 1: we'll be doing videos for the Bengals website night after

836
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Speaker 1: the pick start rolling in, so looking forward to getting

837
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: your thoughts on the guys they ultimately wind up selecting.

838
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: Same here. Dan looks forward to it as well. It'll

839
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: be a lot of fun to the draft. Couldn't come

840
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 1: at a better time, because Ben, I've had enough these

841
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: groundhog days, you know, every day being almost to say

842
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,480
Speaker 1: it's how how can you change it up? Well, the

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00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: draft will change it up, so Thursday, Friday, Saturday won't

844
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Speaker 1: be quite like the groundhog days of the last month

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Speaker 1: or so. And we invite you to frequently check Bengals

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Speaker 1: dot com throughout the draft. Lap and I will be

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Speaker 1: joined by Bengals dot Com editor Jeff Hobson for video

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Speaker 1: recaps every day and we'll post a new in depth

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Speaker 1: podcast after the draft is completed. The Bengals only have

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Speaker 1: one first ground draft pick this year, at least so far,

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Speaker 1: but when they take the field this season, it's going

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Speaker 1: to feel like they have two. That's because their number

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Speaker 1: one pick from last year, Alabama offensive lineman Jonah Williams,

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Speaker 1: fine he gets to play after missing his entire rookie

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Speaker 1: season due to injury. I spoke to Jonah on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: The Bengals will be adding two first round draft picks

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Speaker 1: this year, and no, I am not breaking news about

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Speaker 1: an upcoming trade, and Joe Burrow will be one and

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman Jonah Williams will be the other, the first

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman picked in last year's draft, number eleven overall,

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Speaker 1: who unfortunately could not play last year due to a

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Speaker 1: shoulder injury. Jonah, thanks for joining me. Let's start with

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00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: the obvious. How is the shoulder. It's great, It's really good.

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Speaker 1: You know, unfortunate what happened, and you know, it sucks,

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Speaker 1: but I'm trying to make the most of it. And

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Speaker 1: I've been feeling, you know, pretty much one hundred percent

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Speaker 1: since the very beginning off seasons, so haven't had any

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Speaker 1: hitches with my training and just just continuing to you know,

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Speaker 1: try to get better and feel better than I was

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Speaker 1: even before any of this happened. If and when some

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Speaker 1: sort of team training begins ends, will you face any limitations. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent go to go. That is great

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Speaker 1: news for you and the Bengals and Bengals fans. Jonah.

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Speaker 1: Right now, guys have to be creative when it comes

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Speaker 1: to training. And I saw a video recently if you

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Speaker 1: pushing a truck, tell me about that workout. Oh, it's

877
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: funny because, uh, you know, obviously with with what's going on,

878
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, the a lot of gyms are clothes and

879
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: everything's just kind of kind of weird. And so some

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00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: of my my other old lineman buddies um started pushing,

881
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Speaker 1: you know, trucks. My friend jac Hastenaur was pushing trucks

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota to get a little bit of work in.

883
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Speaker 1: And then one of our other friends there's like a

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Speaker 1: skinny guy was pushing the tahoe and he challenged me

885
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I can't let you know, the skinny

886
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: guy push the car and I don't do it. You know,

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Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta rise to the challenge, So, uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I pushed the truck around a little bit, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I felt like football for your second Jonah, when you

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Speaker 1: were twelve or thirteen years old, you started building a

891
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Speaker 1: weight room and your parents' basement. So I think you

892
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: are uniquely qualified to be resourceful when it comes to

893
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: finding ways to train. Yeah, i'd like to think. So,

894
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Speaker 1: I think it's paying off. What else can you do

895
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: right now in terms of studying, game, film, training, et cetera,

896
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Speaker 1: everything that you would normally be doing this time of

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Speaker 1: the year. What can you do well? The goals, you know,

898
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Speaker 1: to make everything as normal as possible. I think me

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Speaker 1: and most football players are people who kind of thrive

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Speaker 1: with a routine and a schedule and some structure. And

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00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: so you know, we're starting this virtual this virtual period

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Speaker 1: next week we will be doing you know, zoom meetings

903
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: and that type of thing. And just received my iPad

904
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Speaker 1: earlier and they're going to start pushing film and playbooks

905
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Speaker 1: and all that to it. So kind of the goal

906
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Speaker 1: for me is to you know, obviously I'm not physically

907
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Speaker 1: in that setting, but I think it works best my

908
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: brain to treat it like, all right, this is my

909
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 1: work day. You know, I'm and do my physical exercise

910
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: training drills, everything I can do, and then study my

911
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: film playbooks kind of get into all that. So, you know,

912
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Speaker 1: just trying to make everything smooth. Whenever we do go back,

913
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a smooth transition that doesn't feel like,

914
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Speaker 1: you know, a jarring change or anything. We are visiting

915
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Speaker 1: with the first offensive lemon picked in last year's draft,

916
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Speaker 1: Jonah Williams. The anticipation is you'll be able to step

917
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Speaker 1: right in and play left tackle this year. Are there

918
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Speaker 1: any uncertainties in your mind about your ability to step

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Speaker 1: right in and do that after missing last season? No,

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Speaker 1: I mean I feel good. I appreciate, you know, the

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Speaker 1: coach's confidence in me, you know, to to allow me

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Speaker 1: to go compete for that role. But I feel great,

923
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Speaker 1: and honestly, I feel I feel better than I did

924
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: before before any's injuries and stuff, just because you know,

925
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Speaker 1: it's not college anymore. We're not training to run forties

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Speaker 1: and do all those drills and stuff like that, all

927
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Speaker 1: the kind of non football stuff, like just every hour

928
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Speaker 1: of every day has been dedicated to a rehabing the shoulder,

929
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Speaker 1: getting that right. And then now that that's one hundred

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Speaker 1: percent has been for a few months. It's just all about,

931
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Speaker 1: you know, taking care of my body. I've been working

932
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Speaker 1: on flexibility, moving and all that stuff on top of

933
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Speaker 1: obviously strength, and so I feel like I'm moving better,

934
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Speaker 1: i feel quicker, more athletic, and that's kind of the

935
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Speaker 1: feedback I'm getting from the people I'm working with too, So,

936
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Speaker 1: you know, a full confidence. I could have done it

937
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Speaker 1: last year, but I feel I feel better and I

938
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Speaker 1: was last year for sure. Janah, you were in every

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Speaker 1: meeting last year and you practiced on a limited basis

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Speaker 1: in December. How much did that help? It helped a lot.

941
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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously it's it's tough, and it was hard

942
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Speaker 1: going to work every day and just feeling like you're

943
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Speaker 1: kind of letting people down or disappointing. It's, you know,

944
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Speaker 1: just the situation that's out of my control, you know,

945
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Speaker 1: which isn't which was an ideal, But I you know,

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Speaker 1: my goal was to make the most of it. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I think the coaches were great and letting

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Speaker 1: me come to every meeting and you know, spending some

949
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Speaker 1: time with them outside of that too, just like you know,

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Speaker 1: continuing to invest in me even though I couldn't perform

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Speaker 1: for them last year. So I mean, I feel like,

952
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Speaker 1: despite having not played, I feel like kind of the

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00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: wurky seasons out of the way. I know what the

954
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Speaker 1: NFL's like, I know what to expect. I know kind

955
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Speaker 1: of the level of professionalism that's expected, something really comfortable in.

956
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Speaker 1: And so I think that, yeah, you know, going back,

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Speaker 1: it's going to feel like I have a little bit

958
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Speaker 1: of experience. And obviously you know that'll change as I

959
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,400
Speaker 1: start to actually take game reps and all that. But

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00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,960
Speaker 1: I do feel like kind of that that novelty has

961
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Speaker 1: kind of gone, and it's it's a it's just you know,

962
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Speaker 1: work in business. We are visiting with Jonah Williams. It's

963
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Speaker 1: been a very eventful offseason for the Bengals, and that's

964
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Speaker 1: before we get to the selection of Joe Burrow and

965
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Speaker 1: the other players that the Bengals wind up taking. This weekend,

966
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Speaker 1: they signed eight unrestricted free agents. They spent more than

967
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Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty million dollars, including the addition of

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Speaker 1: a potential start around the offensive line and Xavier Sue

969
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,359
Speaker 1: of Philo. What was your reaction as those names kept

970
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: rolling in. It's exciting. I mean, I think there's a

971
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Speaker 1: lot of there's a lot of new blood in the building.

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Speaker 1: You know, obviously the new coaching staff coming in. Have

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Speaker 1: a lot of faith in them, Um, and I have

974
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Speaker 1: a lot of faith in the vets that are here

975
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Speaker 1: and that are staying. And you know, the guys that

976
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Speaker 1: were bringing in all seem like great players. I'm looking

977
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Speaker 1: forward to get and know him and you know, UM

978
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: getting on his teammates and friends and all that. So,

979
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Speaker 1: you know, it's exciting. I think that it's just I

980
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, it's it's it's always exciting to

981
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: come to work and to come play the sport. But

982
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Speaker 1: when you have all this new blood and all this

983
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: new new talent around you, you know, you kind of

984
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: want to you kind of want to try out the

985
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: new toys. Joe. It's no secret at this point that

986
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Speaker 1: the Bengals are going to select Joe Burrow number one

987
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: in the NFL Draft. You faced him a couple of

988
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: years ago when you were at Alabama and he was

989
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: just getting started at LSU, and it did not go

990
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: particularly well for Joe in that game. That Crimson Tide

991
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: shut him out. But then this year in Tuscaloosa, Burrow

992
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: and the Tigers put forty six points on the board,

993
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: which doesn't happen to Alabama period very often, especially at home.

994
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: You're an SEC guy, I imagine you were watching. What

995
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on your future teammate and quarterback Joe Burrow.

996
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was pretty incredible what he was

997
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: able to do the whole season. And I think that,

998
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, obviously else he's always been a great team

999
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: and they're always a challenge for us, but you know

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Speaker 1: that challenge was never offensively, you know, that wasn't really

1001
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: what else he was known for. Their great defense, you know,

1002
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 1: just being a physical, mauling team, and so what they're

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Speaker 1: able to do this year, obviously beating US at Alabama,

1004
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Speaker 1: all the other big games they won, and how they

1005
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: perform in the playoffs and stuff like that, and it

1006
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: was it was impressive. And honestly, you know, I feel

1007
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Speaker 1: like there's always kind of I always felt I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: you know, they're great, but maybe someone will stop them,

1009
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Speaker 1: you know, like just wait till they play so and so,

1010
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: and then they just kept doing they just kept winning.

1011
00:53:56,280 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about that team, their coaches,

1012
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: and obviously what Joe was doing at quarter back. So yeah,

1013
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: I mean it's I haven't really seen a better, uh

1014
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: college season from a quarterback than that. So that was

1015
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. Did you watch the semi final win over

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma winning through seven touchdown passes in the first half,

1017
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Speaker 1: and then the national championship game against Clemson and think, huh,

1018
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,640
Speaker 1: this guy might work on our team. Yeah, I mean,

1019
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: it's it was incredible he was able to do. And um, yeah,

1020
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Speaker 1: Clemson's obviously a great defensive team. That the team that

1021
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: we faced and a couple of times and there were

1022
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Speaker 1: always a great defense. And you know, I think that

1023
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: they came out hot and unless you kind of struggled

1024
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,400
Speaker 1: on their first drive maybe two driss so and then

1025
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,640
Speaker 1: all of a sudden they just started clicking and you know,

1026
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: it just looked like no one could stop them. So

1027
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Speaker 1: really really impressive what they did. Are there any former

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Speaker 1: Alabama teammates that you are hoping will wind up in Cincinnati? Yeah,

1029
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Speaker 1: I'd take any of them. You know, they're all great guys.

1030
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Speaker 1: I'll do to you know, obviously, I think you're are

1031
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: great football players, and you know, obviously it's to the

1032
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Speaker 1: coaches what they think our team meets are. But you know, Hopefully,

1033
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Speaker 1: if they're picking between Alabama guy and an Alabama guy,

1034
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Speaker 1: they'll take the Alabama guy. Well done. I have an

1035
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Speaker 1: opportunity earlier today to speak to your former high school teammate,

1036
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Speaker 1: former UC tight end Josiah Deguara, as he prepares for

1037
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Speaker 1: the NFL Draft. What do you think of his NFL prospects.

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Speaker 1: I think he's great. I mean, he's he's an incredible player.

1039
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Speaker 1: He was in high school and he wasn't Cincinnati. UM,

1040
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Speaker 1: so you know, I was kind of like joking with

1041
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Speaker 1: him during the season. I'm like, dude, you gotta you know,

1042
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: you gotta come down and play with us next year,

1043
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: Like he gotta, um come join the team. I think

1044
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Speaker 1: he's a He's a great tight end, really versatile guy.

1045
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Speaker 1: He's physical, so he can play h or y or

1046
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: wherever anyone wants to put him. Um, good hands, all

1047
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: that stuff, everything you want to see from the tight end. UM.

1048
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Speaker 1: So I think, you know, whatever team gets him is

1049
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Speaker 1: going to get a hell of a player. And you know,

1050
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Speaker 1: I hope it's us, but I don't really gonna say. Jone,

1051
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Speaker 1: Let's turn the clock back one year when you walked

1052
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: up on that stage, shook Roger Goodell's hand got the

1053
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Speaker 1: Bengals number one Jersey. What are your most vivid memories

1054
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Speaker 1: of your draft experience? It was just pure you know, excitement,

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Speaker 1: like just an awesome feeling sitting there and you know,

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Speaker 1: getting the getting the phone call off from the five

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Speaker 1: one three number, you know, and when the Bengals were

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Speaker 1: on the clock and talking to a coach Taylor and

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Speaker 1: coach Turner and everyone, and obviously an old experience, it

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Speaker 1: just kind of feels like a blur, you know, kind

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Speaker 1: of like a dream. Um. But yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: it's a reminder I guess of it coming around of

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Speaker 1: like how grateful I am for for the opportunity that

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Speaker 1: on it with what happened with my shoulder and OTAs.

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Speaker 1: So I think that you know, just that reminder plus

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Speaker 1: like my excitement and everything everything that's been going on,

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Speaker 1: just like how eager I am to get back and

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Speaker 1: get to work, and um, kind of prove that they

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Speaker 1: made the right decision. I don't think anybody has a

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Speaker 1: doubt that they did make the right decision and that

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Speaker 1: you are going to have a great NFL career. I

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Speaker 1: appreciate your time today. Stay safe when you push those trucks,

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Speaker 1: be careful with your back, and when we're all allowed

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Speaker 1: to be back together again, we look forward to seeing

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Speaker 1: you here in Cincinnati. I appreciate that. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode of The

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Speaker 1: I'm Dan Horde, and thanks for listening to The Bengals

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