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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Bloomberg Surveillance Podcast. I'm Tom Keene Jay Lee.

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Speaker 1: want to bring in Peter Hoop at Deutsche Bank Securities

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Speaker 1: Global head of Economic Research. Here's its tape from Morgan Stanley.

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Speaker 1: The Fetes reaction function means riskskew asymmetrically to rate cuts

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Speaker 1: over rate hikes in the next couple of years. Peter

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Speaker 1: is that the Deutsche Bank take too absolutely. My My,

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Speaker 1: my colleague Mattelzettie put a very nice report over the

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Speaker 1: weekend um the we we expect the FED to be

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Speaker 1: on hold for the year ahead. We expect a key

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Speaker 1: change mid year. J Palisman telling us expect us to

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Speaker 1: give us give you the result of our year of

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Speaker 1: policy review here. The major factor in that report will

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Speaker 1: be a strengthening of the symmetric inflation target, recognizing that

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Speaker 1: they've been below two percent for the last decade, that

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be above two percent. We're gonna aim to

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Speaker 1: overshoot a bit on inflation. We're gonna have a makeup strategy.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have some inflation averaging here. The problem is

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Speaker 1: inflation is not going to be cooperating yet. We see

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Speaker 1: inflation remaining below two percent over the year ahead. Um,

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Speaker 1: many in the FED do as well. Uh, and certainly

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Speaker 1: that seems to be the consensus. Phillips curve is still

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Speaker 1: very flat. FED has some work to do. We think

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Speaker 1: with the announcement in June, they will, they will bring

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Speaker 1: down the dots right now. They're expecting rate increases in

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Speaker 1: twenty two. Those will come down. They're not going to

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Speaker 1: cut rates this year. They we think they'll be patient.

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Speaker 1: They'll they'll they'll let the things play out a while,

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Speaker 1: get after they get past the election, get past the politics, etcetera.

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Speaker 1: Early first half of one, we're expecting a fifty basis

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Speaker 1: point rate cut in order to get inflation finally above

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Speaker 1: two percent, just to jump in pizza. Why White, until

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Speaker 1: the month your policy review is complete. Don't you get

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Speaker 1: the sense that even as this monity policy review is ongoing,

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Speaker 1: that it's already become a part of the decision making

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Speaker 1: process on the f MC. Well, you know, so, why

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Speaker 1: did why did we get a set of dots in

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Speaker 1: the December meeting that had rate increases in twenty two.

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Speaker 1: So it's not there yet. Okay, Pal has said very

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Speaker 1: clearly we'll give you the results middle of next year.

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Speaker 1: We're not there yet. We're still assessing. So, yes, it

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Speaker 1: may be working its way in and you are hearing

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Speaker 1: people you are here increasingly various FED members say I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised as the inflation go above two percent,

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Speaker 1: you know, So you're you're hearing it, but it's not

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Speaker 1: there yet in the policy setting. I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: think they want to cut rates this year. Eight years,

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Speaker 1: nine years ago, Dr Hooper Olivia Olivier Blanchard's leadership at

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Speaker 1: and eleven conference. Uh, there's a conference on jump starting inflation.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking for the title of it right now. You

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Speaker 1: were probably at the conference. I wish i'd been there,

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Speaker 1: A conference on macro and growth policies in the wake

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Speaker 1: of the crisis. We're still talking now what Olivia Blanchard

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Speaker 1: was leading on in two thousand eleven. Is there any

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Speaker 1: evidence institutions can jump start reflation? You know? Uh, the

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Speaker 1: Phillips curve is not totally dead. We did a lot

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Speaker 1: of research earlier this year. Come on, you got the embalming.

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Speaker 1: Is the cremation or are we going to go with

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Speaker 1: a full beak? It's it's dead at the national level

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Speaker 1: because the FETE is basically killed it The FETE has

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Speaker 1: over The FETE has been over emphasizing any time we

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Speaker 1: get toward a tight labor market, it doesn't allow us

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Speaker 1: to go there. Prior to nineteen eighty, the average unemployment

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Speaker 1: market was tight. Since nineteen eighty ridge unemployment rate, it's

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Speaker 1: rate the NEHRU has been climbing down. It's it's four

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Speaker 1: We need to get into a two handle of unemployment

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Speaker 1: before we're going to see inflation. Do we have a

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Speaker 1: negative unemployment rate, Well, this is a negative negative unemployer.

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Speaker 1: I think that this academic discussion of is inflation dead

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Speaker 1: now markets and guess I use the word existential this morning. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And this is that is this sort of low inflation rate,

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Speaker 1: of the banking system. Okay, there are some things we

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Speaker 1: could be doing to reduce some of this risk, this

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Speaker 1: financial risk. Yes, evaluations are looking a little high. Yes,

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Speaker 1: corporate credit growth has been a little lofty. We're nowhere

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Speaker 1: late nineties, for example, that we're not there. I think

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Speaker 1: down further to begin to get inflation up. But we

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Speaker 1: have to be a little bit of cost, a little

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Speaker 1: bit cautious with what's happening on the financial side. No

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Speaker 1: question paid a funnal question for you, just to tap

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Speaker 1: in some of the research. I know you in the

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Speaker 1: team have been working on a lot of people looking

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Speaker 1: at the data worldwide in Q fourto Q one twenty,

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Speaker 1: looking for stabilization in the global economy. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if the recovery is you shaped. I have no idea

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Speaker 1: if it's l shaped. I'm trying to work out whether,

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Speaker 1: to your point, is it green shoots or a false dawn?

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Speaker 1: Which one is it? That was record cliche. You eight

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Speaker 1: trying to trying to banks special growth green shoots, So

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Speaker 1: false dawn, false dawn. Let's let's think green shoots. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe there's a little bit of false dawn still in Europe,

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Speaker 1: there's some question marks there. But we think China is

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Speaker 1: There's a there is there is a consumer cycle in China.

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Speaker 1: there're gonna be a lot more purchases of cell phones

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Speaker 1: so we're sinking China's gross above six percent next year,

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Speaker 1: um all at six percent, least US is looking better

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Speaker 1: to certainly certainly fed. Being in in accommodative territory is

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Speaker 1: risk situation improving a bit on balance. Remember v shaped bottom.

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Speaker 1: You can have apologized to from Matlozetti. I mean we've

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Speaker 1: you nailed it, frankly with this whole thing of Candy's institutions.

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Speaker 1: Reflect it's a huge Yeah, I'll give you distract and

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Speaker 1: thank you Pa, Thank you Bank Security Static head of

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Speaker 1: economic research John bringing the col of my And this

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Speaker 1: is on the Pimco view which I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of our listeners viscerally feel a more conservative. You going

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Speaker 1: into Nicola might joining us now. Pimco portfolio manager, suffering

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Speaker 1: credit analyst, Nicola, what me through what you see global growth,

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Speaker 1: you know, concerns about recession in twenty have definitely been

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Speaker 1: temperate because of a few positive developments. I mean, we

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Speaker 1: It's a limited one, but still you know, not for

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Speaker 1: getting some traction, especially in the housing market. Worksit risks

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Speaker 1: only thing I would say is that, you know, even

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Speaker 1: though recession risks are lower, monetary policy is basically out

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Speaker 1: be higher. Nicola a lot of people because on the

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Speaker 1: Federal Reserve and the ECB. Here at Bloomberg Surveillance, we're

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Speaker 1: they're doing it as a quote philosophical rate cut rate hike,

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Speaker 1: as one person said, because they just don't think that

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Speaker 1: negative yields are working. How closely are you watching that? Well,

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Speaker 1: we think the one is interesting. I mean, we've we've

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Speaker 1: quantitative easing, liquidity operations and forward guidance rather than bringing

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Speaker 1: the rates further into negative territory. Nicola, the ECB has

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Speaker 1: everyone's jumping on. It was time to dismantle the absurd

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Speaker 1: idea of an omnipposent central bank that can mechanically steer inflation.

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Speaker 1: Do you think those thoughts will be a part of

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Speaker 1: the monetary policy the strategic review that the CP and

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Speaker 1: Christine Legand is undertaking. Yeah, I mean, it's it's gonna

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