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Speaker 1: Channel one thirty two. Natalie Wood was one of the

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Speaker 1: most popular sought after actresses in Hollywood This is America

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Speaker 1: Street Talk. It was Thanksgiving weekend when Would and her

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Speaker 1: actor husband Robert Wagner, when sailing on their yacht, the Splendor.

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Speaker 1: They were joined by actor and friend Christopher walk In.

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Speaker 1: Wagner notified Captain Dennis Davern that Would was not on

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Speaker 1: board right, so let's turn on the searchlight to see

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Speaker 1: if we can see her, and he said, no, we

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Speaker 1: don't want to do that right now. Do you believe

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Speaker 1: that maybe Robert Wagner has been hiding the real truth

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Speaker 1: of what happened at night all these years? I fully

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Speaker 1: believe that we ever seen information which we felt was

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Speaker 1: substantial enough to make her take another look at this case,

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Speaker 1: it's old information that was never looked at that should

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Speaker 1: have been looked at. She died a watery death Hollywood Royalty,

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Speaker 1: yet her death has never fully been investigated. Still more

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Speaker 1: questions than answers, And today, thirty six years since the

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Speaker 1: death of the beautiful Natalie Wood, I, Nancy Grace, This

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Speaker 1: Is Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. It

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Speaker 1: was Thanksgiving thirty six years ago that the beautiful Star

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Speaker 1: apparently drowned. But did she not? According to her closest

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Speaker 1: blood relative, her sister, Launa Would, a former bond girl

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Speaker 1: joining me now. Her sister Laana Wood, the director of

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Speaker 1: the Cold Case Institute Cheryl McCullum and renowned author Marty Ruley,

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Speaker 1: author of Goodbye Splendor. Goodbye Splendor, refers to the yacht

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Speaker 1: belonging to Natalie Wood, the last place Natalie slept and

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Speaker 1: now straight to Cheryl McCullum, director of the Cold Case Institute, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: before we delve into Lawna Wood, who is joining us today,

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Speaker 1: Natalie's sister has quite a lot of revelations surrounding the

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Speaker 1: death of her sister. Natalie would first to you, Cheryl,

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Speaker 1: I have never felt any degree of you know, when

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Speaker 1: we would try case, when we were both duking it

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Speaker 1: out in the courtroom. You finish the case, you get

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Speaker 1: a verdict, and you feel a sense of not not

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Speaker 1: really peace, but like you have achieved something, you did it,

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Speaker 1: It's done. Next. I've never felt that way about Natalie Would.

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Speaker 1: I've never felt Okay, now I can go onto the

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Speaker 1: next case. Something right several things are not right, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you just get that feeling that it's unsettled. Robert Wagner

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Speaker 1: changing his story, the ship's captain changing his story, The

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Speaker 1: evidence that you know, there was some type of struggle

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Speaker 1: on board, there was some type of fight. Um, the

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Speaker 1: fact that they did not search for her, even though

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Speaker 1: he says he did on board, there was evidence that

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Speaker 1: he did not completely search that boat for her. Well,

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Speaker 1: what what concerns me is they did not completely search

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Speaker 1: the boat for her, for the ship and that night,

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Speaker 1: according to reliable sources, Robert Wagner insisted they not use

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Speaker 1: the searchlight to try and find his wife out in

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Speaker 1: the water. I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's start it to get go. Natalie Wood Superstar

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Speaker 1: was found drowned near her yacht during celebration Thanksgiving. The

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Speaker 1: cause of death seemed to be apparent that she drowned.

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Speaker 1: But why was she out in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: to escape something that had happened on the boat. This

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Speaker 1: is a woman, by all accounts, that had a dread fear,

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Speaker 1: a dread fear of water. In fact, a called fortune

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Speaker 1: teller had foretold her death by water many years before,

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Speaker 1: and she had been afraid ever since. She would even

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Speaker 1: have night terrors about drowning, nightmares about it. She would

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Speaker 1: just no, that was not gonna happen. And I'm supposed

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Speaker 1: to believe Cheryl McCollum that she and the husband now

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be thrilled to get to pick where

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Speaker 1: I guess it still is, but whether you're a TV

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Speaker 1: do this in a swannel nightgown, in wolfsock and no

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Speaker 1: She was. You and I, Cheryl McCullum, have poured through

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Speaker 1: photos of Natalie Wood. Tell me your observation. There's not

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Speaker 1: one photograph where she's not slawless. Her hair, her makeup,

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Speaker 1: What else do we know about that night, Cheryl. We

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Speaker 1: know that they had a fight, and we know that

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Speaker 1: Robert Wagner changed his story the broken wine bottle. Specifically,

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Speaker 1: And then he later changed the story and even wrote

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Speaker 1: what I always say, Cheryl em balash your story, add

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Speaker 1: how if he did, did Robert Wagner change his story

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Speaker 1: so Ben, they decided to call for help. So Robert

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Speaker 1: And this was on I believe, on shore, and the

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Speaker 1: they were also in Toxica. They couldn't get back to

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Speaker 1: was silly for them to be going, but it was just,

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00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, that was the plan, and she was just

428
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: definite about it. Those are plans and we're just going

429
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,400
Speaker 1: to change them. And that's that's the end of it. Now.

430
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 1: How old were her children at the time, Oh, dear, um, Uh,

431
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: Courtney was about five, she was about the same age.

432
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: Because my daughter Evan is the same age as Courtney,

433
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:24,400
Speaker 1: there at six months difference in age, and uh, Natasha

434
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 1: at the time is about about twelve. Oh, my stars, Lana.

435
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,640
Speaker 1: I never thought it through about how young they were. Yeah, yeah,

436
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: it's it's um makes it even even worse. I mean,

437
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: losing a parent at any time, I suppose is horrible,

438
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: but they were so young. Um. The thing that saddened

439
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: me so much, not that long ago, is Courtney was

440
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 1: asked for a memory in an interview and she said,

441
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't remember my mom. I never knew her, and

442
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: that broke my heart. That's broke my heart. You know,

443
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: you can't none of this can be undone. It just can't.

444
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: All the ripple effects of that one night. Where were

445
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 1: you the night they went out on the splendor? Where

446
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: were you? Um? I was home. Now at that time,

447
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: you were getting along with Wagner. Um, Yeah, I didn't.

448
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: I absolutely Um. I just accepted him as as part

449
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: of the family. Now. They had been married before divorced,

450
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: and she married another guy, and then after that divorce

451
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: remarried her first husband, Robert Wagner. Right, what did you

452
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,040
Speaker 1: think about the remarriage? Quite honestly, I wasn't happy about it.

453
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: Then I made myself very clear about my feelings. I

454
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: do have a habit of voicing my opinion on my feelings. Um.

455
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: And I took Natalie side the night she announced it

456
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: to my mom and dad and me, and I said,

457
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: what on earth are you doing? Because I remember the

458
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: breakup of her marriage. I remember her coming into the

459
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: family home late at night. I was in bed. I

460
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: remember her coming with her hand bleeding. Um. She she

461
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: broke a wine glass that she was holding and and

462
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: sliced her hand doing an argument with Wagner. Yes, yes,

463
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 1: And I remembered all that, you know, and I remember

464
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: everything after that. Did he know how you felt? I

465
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: don't really know. I this is a terrible admission. To make.

466
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 1: I don't think I spent much time talking to him

467
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: when I was with Natalie. I was there for Natalie.

468
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I didn't go to visit. We were normally on our

469
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 1: way out there. We were going shopping, or we were

470
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: going to do a girl's lunch, or we were gonna

471
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,719
Speaker 1: we were going to go to a movie, we were

472
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: going to do something, do you know what I mean?

473
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: Or I was there with something specific and it would

474
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: be the two. I think he was jealous of her. Um.

475
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: I know he was jealous the night of Christopher Walking,

476
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: but I mean because of her huge, huge box office

477
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: success and he was a TV star. I think I

478
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: think he would have to be some sort of saint

479
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 1: not to feel how difficult that would be, because I

480
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 1: think it's part of the male ego. Yes, I'm making

481
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: a blanket statement. Um, to be a man. The man

482
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: likes to be in charge, be the breadwinner, be the

483
00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: decision maker. It's a guy thing. And I've got to

484
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: agree agree with me on that. That's how they feel.

485
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. This is completely on

486
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: a different topic. Hold on now. At the time Natalie

487
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: passed away, was Wagner already starring with Stephanie Powers. Yeah,

488
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: he was already doing Hard Heart. So he was already

489
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: starring with Stephanie Powers, and that was his was that

490
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: his biggest show. That was a big show, that it

491
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 1: was a very successful show, absolutely, very popular, very successful show.

492
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 1: So when did it start sinking into you that everything

493
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: did not ge hoss, everything did not exactly line up correctly.

494
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't even recall brushing my teeth. I don't. I

495
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: don't know when I know that. I I was on

496
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: automatic pilots. There were arguing, There was arguing going on.

497
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: My mom passed out from high blood pressure. Guy mclwaine,

498
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: who was a friend of Natalie's and a former boyfriend

499
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: of mine, suddenly arrived at the house. Our half sister came.

500
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: My mom was hysterical. I remember, I remember my mom

501
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 1: turning around in my living room and saying, the wrong

502
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: one died while looking at me, and I said, don't

503
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: even go there. Why have you said that Robert Wagner

504
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: has not cooperated with police? Why do I say it

505
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 1: because they've never spoken to them. I don't know why

506
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,719
Speaker 1: he keeps saying he did. It boggles my mind. That

507
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: day he didn't speak to them, And what when it happened.

508
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: Whoever arrived, I was somebody from the corner's office, and

509
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 1: there was there were there, there was that detective Rasher Um.

510
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: They arrived on the boat. They did not question anybody.

511
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: They took an accounting from everybody. When did you see her?

512
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: Last one has happened. I'm terribly sorry if you lost

513
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: Mr Wagoner Um he was Then he and Christopher were

514
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: flown back to the mainland and it was Dennis de

515
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: Verne who had to identify Natalie's body, which it horrified me. Um,

516
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I can't, I can't. It's I know, it's

517
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: wrong for me to want someone to react how I would.

518
00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: That's just flat out wrong. But it boggles my mind

519
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: that you wouldn't as a husband, as a lover, as

520
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: a friend, as a dog owner, that you wouldn't rush

521
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 1: the side of someone it's passed away and won't hold

522
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: them and want to be there. So I don't understand

523
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: that time he has not spoken to police. Know the

524
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: only time he has spoken to police was that the

525
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: day he has never spoken to them. Let me ask

526
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: you this, Lana, Is it true that detectives told you

527
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: they were very close to making an arrest in the case. Absolutely.

528
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: They came to my home and said that they had

529
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: everything they needed for an arrest and that the district

530
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: attorney would not move forward. And I said, I don't understand,

531
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: and he said, please get that word out because they

532
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: feel that there's something going on. And I said, fine,

533
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,959
Speaker 1: if somebody asks me, I will, I will tell them.

534
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: So they came to your house and said they have

535
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: enough for an arrest. The d A is sitting on it.

536
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: Did you believe that they were referring to Robert Wagner?

537
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: Did they tell you as Robert Wagen? Oh? Of course, yes, yes,

538
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: they told you as Robert Wagen. What they said? Now,

539
00:33:55,880 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner was starring with Stephanie Powers on Heart to

540
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: Heart and he then later married Jill st. John In correct, Yes,

541
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: did she had she been a friend of Natalie's. No,

542
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 1: I've never even seen her at the house. No, not,

543
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: not friends at all. Actually I saw very little of Stephanie.

544
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: But I saw more of Stephanie than I never thought. Joe,

545
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: after all the years, he's never sat down with you

546
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 1: and talked to you about what happened that night, Nancy.

547
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: He didn't ever call me and tell me that Natalie

548
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: had drowned or that anything had happened. He never called Natasha,

549
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: Natalie's daughter by Richard Gregson. She was spending the night

550
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: at a friend's house. She heard it on the on

551
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 1: the New Lea. What was Natasha's take on all of this?

552
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: Where does Natasha stand? I wouldn't know. I'm not I'm

553
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: not allowed to speak to anyone or they will not

554
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: take phone calls or anything from me. I I'm somehow,

555
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: I don't know. If you ever find out the answer,

556
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: let me know. What did you find odd about that night?

557
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Other than the fact that Natalie Wood, who was always

558
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: no matter when you saw her, she was dressed to

559
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: the tea for her fans and she was out in

560
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: a flannel gown with knee socks and no underwear. Did

561
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: they do a rape kit on Natalie? Do you know?

562
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: I was told by UM detectives Hernandez and Low that

563
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: there was no rape kick. UM there were no fingernail clippings,

564
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: and I said, wow, that's really odd because that standard procedure. UM.

565
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:44,359
Speaker 1: I was then toil later that there was a rape

566
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: kit and there were fingernail clippings, and somehow they're not accessible.

567
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: Nobody knows anything about it. So who do you believe.

568
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I really told you that there was

569
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: a rape kit and nail. An attorney call intacted me personally,

570
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: not terribly long ago, who has been um speaking to

571
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: various people that he knows UM. He told me. What

572
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: else was odd to you that you learned about the

573
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:18,319
Speaker 1: night Natalie's round? Well, many things. And first of all,

574
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 1: Natalie would never, never, in a million years, for any

575
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: reason of any type, leave her boat, not dressed. Not dressed,

576
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: she with wolf socks on. Natalie always had cold feet

577
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: and hands on the boat. It was intensified. She used

578
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,720
Speaker 1: to keep wolf socks to sleep, to go to sleep.

579
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: She would have never gotten into the dinghy for any reason.

580
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 1: She would never have gone out to tie it up.

581
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: That's why they had a captain on board. He did

582
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: all that. Somebody doesn't suddenly change their personality, their behaviors

583
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: in a day. That's not Natale. She would not have

584
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: done that. There is no earthly way. It's ludicrous to

585
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: think otherwise. Do you recall at the wake that Robert

586
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: Wagner was he said, I've got to talk to you,

587
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: I've got to know what happened, And according to one story,

588
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: I heard. He turned around, looked at you and said,

589
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm sorry he did. I went upstairs. R

590
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: J um I didn't see him, and I said, where's

591
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: r J? And Suddy set upstairs? So I went upstairs

592
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: into their bedroom and he was sitting on the edge

593
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,480
Speaker 1: of the bed and I said, r J, what the

594
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: hell happened? What happened? And he said it was an accident.

595
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: Please believe me. I'm sorry. And then somebody grabbed me

596
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: by the arm I don't know who and said leave alone,

597
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: Just leave alone, and so I left. I went, I

598
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: went back downstairs. Well, his walker never said about this,

599
00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: Christopher Walkin nothing, absolutely nothing. He's never said a word.

600
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Understand he passed to polygraph Christopher Walking Ah good. No,

601
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't think he had anything to do with anything.

602
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he did. But that would go into

603
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: and Robert Wagner would because people, who why is that interesting?

604
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: If you have something to hide, you do so. If

605
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: you have nothing to hide. When I go through the

606
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: security checks at the airport, you know we've got to

607
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: pack you down, go for it. It's is there anything

608
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: I can do to help to make this easier? Is

609
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: there anything I can say? Is there anything I can do?

610
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: That's what an innocent person does. In all the years

611
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: that Naanally has been gone, do you ever feel that

612
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: she has tried to contact you or you have heard

613
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: from her? I don't know. I've I've had strange dreams.

614
00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: I had one strange occurrence that I don't know. Um

615
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: I would I would love to believe that she has,

616
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 1: but I don't know it would. It would be great

617
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: if if she had. I know she wouldn't be happy.

618
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: What do you make of the fact that they have

619
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 1: essentially reopened the case. I don't buy any of the

620
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,760
Speaker 1: circumstances with which she passed away by by none. Uh,

621
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: Dennis de Verne, you call me late at night, drunk,

622
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: and this was maybe ten years after Natalie passed, maybe

623
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: not quite that long, maybe four years, five years, and say,

624
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: you know that he knows what happened. And he was

625
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: there and he he did this, and he did that.

626
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: And I used to say, Dennis, go go to the authorities.

627
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: And he'd say, I can't because he felt guilty too.

628
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: And he'd say, I can't tell you everything because you'll,

629
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, you'll hate everybody. And I said, just tell me,

630
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: and he he would tell me enough, and then he

631
00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: would stop and wouldn't tell me everything ever. But he

632
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: said that there was a bad fight. R J has

633
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: changed his story story twice and r J denied that

634
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: to my face, which then I said, you changed your story,

635
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: goes oh, I never changed my story. Yes he did.

636
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: He said in one book that there was no wine bottle,

637
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Speaker 1: He didn't break a wine bottle, there was no argument,

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Speaker 1: everything was fine. And suddenly he writes another book and

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Speaker 1: there he says he got upset and jealous and accused

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Speaker 1: Christopher Walking of cheating, and you know of Natalie cheating

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Speaker 1: and this and that and broke a wine bottle. That

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Speaker 1: sounds to me like a difference in a story. And

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Speaker 1: com today. Now joining us is a woman who was

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Speaker 1: devoted much of her professional life to researching and investigating

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Speaker 1: the mysterious death surrounding the apparent drowning of Hollywood start

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Speaker 1: Natalie Wood. It's Marty Ruly, the author of Goodbye Natalie,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye Splendor. Marty, thank you so much for being with

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Speaker 1: us with the most recent turn of events in the

675
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Speaker 1: Natalie Wood death investigation. I'm really anxious to hear what

676
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Speaker 1: you've got to say. Marty. The actual closed case that

677
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: was closed within days of Natalie's suspicious death was reopened

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00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: in November. And what I make of it is that

679
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 1: had I worked many years on trying to get that

680
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: to happen, and finally it did happen. And the beautiful

681
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: thing that came from it is that two new detectives

682
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: were assigned to the case who left no stone unturned

683
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: and they have ended up believing what I spent many

684
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: years trying to get them to believe. And they interviewed

685
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of people, not just Dennis de Verne, who is

686
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 1: the main eye and ear witness of Natalie's death the

687
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: night that she was actually in the ocean, and dennisol

688
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: everything that happened that led to her death. These detectives

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00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,400
Speaker 1: now believe this homicide case should remain open because it

690
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 1: is solvable. They have a suspect, they do not come

691
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,280
Speaker 1: out and say they have a suspect. It's been quiet,

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00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: but it is not over. The Natalie Wood case is

693
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: still an open and active case. Marty, After all of

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Speaker 1: your energy, all of your time that you poured into

695
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 1: the Natalie Wood death investigation, what do you believe is

696
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: the most powerful evidence that suggests Natalie did not die

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00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: by accident. It's more than just the argument and that

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00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: more than one witness overheard on Saturday night. Everything leading

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00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: to Natalie's death started months before this fateful cruise that

700
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving weekend of Robert Wagner traveled months ahead to visit

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Speaker 1: Natalie in North Carolina, where she was filming with Christopher

702
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: Walkin on Brainstorm. He told Dennis to Verne he was

703
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: going there to catch her cheating. He knew she was cheating.

704
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,919
Speaker 1: There's no evidence of that, but in his mind that's

705
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 1: what he thought he would go there and find. He

706
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: came back, he seemed satisfied he did not catch Natalie

707
00:44:53,840 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: doing anything wrong. But his whole entire personality demeanor changed

708
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: at that time. He started disappearing at nights. Dennis. Dennis

709
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: saw them on a daily basis, even in everyday life,

710
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 1: and Robert Wagner wasn't coming to the boat, he wasn't

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00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 1: available at nights. He was making comments to Dennis that

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00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: were frightening. Dennis didn't know what was going on. He

713
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: figured when Natalie was done her location filming, everything would

714
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: get back to normal. They'd start to come out on

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00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: the boat. And that's what happened. Natalie finished her filming,

716
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: it was Thanksgiving weekend, and she wanted to take her

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00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: co star of her new movie on the boat for

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Speaker 1: a cruise. It's what that family did. Robert Wagner had

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Speaker 1: his people on board, the people he worked with. Natalie

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Speaker 1: would have her co star Sean Connery, um, anyone she

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Speaker 1: worked with, It would George Siegel, they would come on board.

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Speaker 1: So Natalie invited Christopher Walking. There's a lot of speculation. No,

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Speaker 1: she was cheating, as like, who would have their co

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00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: star on board the boat with her husband and make

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00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: him jealous. This is what that fam only did. That's

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00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 1: not what happened. So the Friday night of the cruise,

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00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: the Friday night is the night people, the law everyone

728
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: should be focusing on. Friday night is when the arguments started.

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00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: They were moored. They were anchored in Avalon where there's

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00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: a lot of things to do on the island. Robert

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00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: Wagner late at night, did not want to stay in Avalon.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to move to the remote, secluded part of

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Speaker 1: the island where there's only one restaurant that closes about

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Speaker 1: ten thirda What's av Avalon is the city on Catalina

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Speaker 1: Island where there's activities, restaurants, curio shops. They were in

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Speaker 1: a nice area for entertaining. Natalie just wanted to entertain

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Speaker 1: her co star. Robert Wagner is who wanted to go

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Speaker 1: to the other end of the island where it's very

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00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,720
Speaker 1: remote and quiet. Why on Friday night when it's raining

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00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: and cold, and that's the night the water was choppy,

741
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: not the night Natalie died. The next night Natalie refused,

742
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner went crazy with anger, pulling anchor, saying he's

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Speaker 1: moving the boat. Natalie was afraid Friday night, and I

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00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: think that's when the seed that was already growing in

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00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner grew two proportions their sinister that he wanted

746
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 1: that quiet part of the island for reasons that have

747
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: to do with what happened to Natalie the next night.

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Speaker 1: So they stayed. Natalie left the island, left the boat

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry with Dennis to Verne and they went to

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Speaker 1: Avalon and Dennis and Natalie stayed in a hotel room together.

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00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Now Natalie she was she didn't like being alone. She

752
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: was afraid that night, probably more so of maybe her

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00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:44,400
Speaker 1: husband showing up than of strangers. Dennis stayed in the

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00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: same room with Natalie and she vented until four in

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00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 1: the morning. They talked and she was very upset with

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00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner. Why he was doing this to her. She

757
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,879
Speaker 1: was going to catch a seaplane in the morning, and

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00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: how sad that, um, there are no planes available. There

759
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: wasn't no way off the island. She decided to go

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00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: back to the boat, but they were going to go

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00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: back to the mainland, which Dennis begged Robert Wagner to do.

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00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:14,319
Speaker 1: But Wagner was so apologetic, he was sweet again. He

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00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: apologized to Natalie. Let's still go to the other end

764
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Speaker 1: of the island, is what he wanted to do. They

765
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: went to two harbors at the Isthmus and that's where

766
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Speaker 1: they moored and the only place there is a restaurant.

767
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner is who told Natalie go ahead, to the

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Speaker 1: island with with Christopher and have yourself some drinks and

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Speaker 1: Dennis and I will join you later. And Natalie and

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00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: Christopher took a taxi, a sure taxi to the restaurant.

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00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner and Dennis joined them for dinner, for cocktails

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00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: and dinner. But before that, Dennis still pleaded with r

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Speaker 1: J to leave and go home to the mainland. And

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00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: r J said to Dennis, no, Natalie will get what

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00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: she came for and a lot more. And the way

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00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: that Robert Wagner said that was so sinister that Dennis

777
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: was so afraid something was going to happen that he

778
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:13,520
Speaker 1: pleaded again to leave for the mainland. But they went

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00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,120
Speaker 1: to dinner and that's when the trouble started, and then

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00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,879
Speaker 1: they got back to the boat, argument arguing started. And

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00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: that's it, though, that you say Robert Wagner, even though

782
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: he was extremely jealous, and he admits that of Christopher

783
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 1: Walkin sends Natalie and walking to go out drinking alone

784
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:40,359
Speaker 1: before he and Dennis get there, and they were all

785
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: so inebriated. The restaurant owner was worried about them even

786
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: getting back to the splendor that night. Yes, that gave

787
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 1: Wagner every reason to say she was out drinking with

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00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: her co star. He is the one who pleaded with them.

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Speaker 1: You know, it was his way of apologizing. YouTube, Go

790
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: have fun. I am so sorry for last night. He

791
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: was not sorry. A lot of people think that. You know,

792
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 1: when Natalie went missing, Robert Wagner didn't know what to do.

793
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: That's why he waited to call for help. I don't

794
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 1: think he was worrying about planning what he would do.

795
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: I think he was following a plan. You don't wait

796
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 1: two and a half hours when your wife is missing

797
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,959
Speaker 1: to call a restaurant for help, and then another two

798
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: hours on top of that to allow he gave had

799
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Speaker 1: to give permission for the harbor master to call for

800
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Speaker 1: help with the coast Guard. And now medical evidence since

801
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: the new case has been reopened. Medical evidence shows that

802
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Natalie was never conscious in the water, so there probably

803
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,720
Speaker 1: isn't much the coastguard could have done except maybe recover

804
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: her body earlier than the morning time. But there are

805
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: so many details in this case that of course do

806
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,800
Speaker 1: not reach the public yet. Um the media wants statements

807
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: from a law. The law is hands off until they

808
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: can make an actual arrest or form a grand jury.

809
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: Because of the celebrity involved, Natally's case is one of

810
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,320
Speaker 1: the strongest circumstantial cases ever. Any regular Joe would already

811
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 1: be in prison with far less evidence involved um and

812
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: the cases again left in the hands of a few

813
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 1: people who still care. I mean, thank goodness. Lana Wood,

814
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: Natalie's sister, is a blood relative who gave the nod

815
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: to the Cold Case Institute now involved in this and

816
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: every single thing that they are investigating with experts and

817
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: the forensic tests that I conducted in my own private investigation.

818
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 1: The Cold Case Institution is now realizing everything that I've

819
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: been saying for thirty years. And and if you know,

820
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people question Dennis to Verne, there's a

821
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: lot of backstory there too. But it's an open case

822
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 1: and I think that we will get to it. What

823
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: it's taking celebrity, You know, the law is so afraid

824
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: that a jury will not put um Jonathan Hart behind bars,

825
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: Bretta dr Huxtable. It just happens when celebrity is involved

826
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 1: and the celebrity has a high profile attorney attached. There's

827
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: always the threat of being sued. You have to be

828
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 1: careful how you word things. But now um Corina in

829
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: charge of this case at the l A. S D.

830
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: He has come out in articles and said they do

831
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Speaker 1: have a person of interest. They are focused on one

832
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: person here. But you know, the greater media just doesn't

833
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: pick up on these things. They're not following a case

834
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: where information isn't coming directly from the authorities. And I

835
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: understand that. And Robert Wagner is he's aging now. And

836
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: the one thing that I would like to guarantee people

837
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: is that even if this case does not make it

838
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 1: to a courtroom, the truth will make it to be

839
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: attached to Natalie's legacy because she does deserve that. I mean,

840
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: my mantra is Natalie Wood didn't get drunk and fall

841
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,280
Speaker 1: off of a boat. Natalie is a victim, a beaten

842
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 1: wife who was thrown into the ocean and left to die,

843
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,280
Speaker 1: and not because she did anything wrong, but just because

844
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: her husband is a sociopath. And I'm not afraid to

845
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: say it. I have the backup information to prove it.

846
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: Of course, he denies any involvement and Natalie Wood's drowning death. Nancy,

847
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: it took decades for people to listen to us, and

848
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: now it's it's still a full blown homicide investigation. We

849
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: are on the case part of the investigation into the

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Speaker 1: death of Natalie Wood. So many people still unsettled by

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Speaker 1: pause and count your blessings. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off,

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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,