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Speaker 1: Hello everybody. This is Katie's crib and here we are

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Speaker 1: for part two of our breastfeeding episode. In part one,

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Speaker 1: we got the download from two awesome women about their

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Speaker 1: breastfeeding journeys, Kristen Bell and Jamie Greenberg. If you haven't

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Speaker 1: listened to it yet, please make sure you do. Here

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Speaker 1: we have lactation consultant Linda Hannah. She's going to break

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Speaker 1: everything down for us. Linda is the founder and owner

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Speaker 1: of My Nursing Coach and you guys, she was so

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Speaker 1: sozzo so helpful to me when I started my breastfeeding journey. Um,

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Speaker 1: you guys, I've never been more excited in my life.

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Speaker 1: This is the amazing Linda Hannah of My Nursing Coach.

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Speaker 1: And just to give you guys a visual, Linda Hannah

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Speaker 1: shows up at people's houses in a van that says

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Speaker 1: my Nursing Coach along the side. She has an amazing

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Speaker 1: T shirt on right now that says my Nursing Coach

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Speaker 1: on it that has been did very well. You were

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Speaker 1: branded very well, and you really came to visit me

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Speaker 1: for the first time. When I was a shell of

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Speaker 1: a human, I just had a baby. I desperately wanted

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Speaker 1: to breastfeed. It was the only like I was so

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Speaker 1: scared of labor. But what I knew more than anything,

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Speaker 1: I just really wanted to breastfeed. I really wanted to

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Speaker 1: and I didn't know how hard it was going to

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Speaker 1: be for me. And it was awful. Like it was.

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Speaker 1: I called in Linda. I had an amazing night nurse

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, and my nipple got what I came

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Speaker 1: to learn through you was a fisher on the right

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Speaker 1: side where I've had inverted nipples my whole life, which

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Speaker 1: means guys, when you like wear a T shirt and

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Speaker 1: it gets cold and you can see your hot, sexy

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Speaker 1: nipples that never happened to me growing up, like, it's

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Speaker 1: amazing and you and you still a breastfeed still with

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Speaker 1: inverted nipples. Yes, so he had to pull them out,

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Speaker 1: I guess is that what happens they actually even from

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Speaker 1: the pressure from the baby strong jaw. So my nipples

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Speaker 1: ever did And some women can have one inverted nipple

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Speaker 1: and opening up, causing a Fisher, like the Grand Canyon gaping, gaping,

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Speaker 1: and normally we would have asked you to stitch up.

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Speaker 1: Normally it would be stitched up. Linda showed up at

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Speaker 1: my house and I have this visual that I'll never forget.

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Speaker 1: You came in and I was so scared. And there's

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Speaker 1: nothing more vulnerable than breastfeeding because people are looking very

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Speaker 1: up close and personally your boobs, and you are a

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Speaker 1: new time mom and you're super emotional and hormonal and

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Speaker 1: you just want to give food to your kid. And

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Speaker 1: I felt like a failure. And you came right at

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Speaker 1: me with your little adorable hands and pulled open that

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Speaker 1: cut and I was like, oh my gosh, what's happening.

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Speaker 1: But you are someone who's so like you cut to

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Speaker 1: the chase, you get in and you just start like

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Speaker 1: becoming the Olivia Pope mix fix It of boobs. That

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Speaker 1: that's a character on my show who's like she fixes scandals.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like you fix women who are really

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Speaker 1: in need. Um, and you definitely fixed me. Um. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain, um how you got into what you do? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: And people asked that a lot. Um. What I do

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Speaker 1: is I helped mothers and I've been doing this for many,

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Speaker 1: I am a nurse. I worked in abstetrics and labor

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Speaker 1: and delivery first, and then Mother Baby became a lactation

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of how it took off on its own.

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Speaker 1: it just sort of grew and grew, and lactation consultants

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Speaker 1: have been around for about thirty five years now. As

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Speaker 1: Uh and um, it just became something that was very

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Speaker 1: that being said, there should always be a woman who

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Speaker 1: I think if you can have another mother say to

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Speaker 1: been there, that's the best help. Then people like myself

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Speaker 1: step in when there's a problem like in your case,

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Speaker 1: another mother might not have been able to say no

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Speaker 1: one knew what the hell was wrong my nipple. I

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Speaker 1: was texting photos of my all of Los Angeles and

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Speaker 1: everyone was like, hold up, this looks really insane. You

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Speaker 1: and that's Linda Haney. I was like, holy crap. I

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Speaker 1: didn't write. I know there are people, but you came

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Speaker 1: so highly recommended for so many groups of Frank and

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Speaker 1: you are right. I think what we have found a

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Speaker 1: your aunts and mothers and cousins aren't living with you

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Speaker 1: when we need it. Um. And I was texting all

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Speaker 1: what they're doing. So we're working very hard to improve

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Speaker 1: tell me about another mother that I could call? Like, sure,

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Speaker 1: I can. Actually, your neighbor just had a baby, or

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Speaker 1: That's a secret because you do not reveal your deepest

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Speaker 1: My god, So nipple pain on the have something. We

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Speaker 1: Thank God. I think it's so much about community, as

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Speaker 1: I was saying, but everyone has gone through their own

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Speaker 1: Some nipple journeys were cracked and bleeding. Some nipple journeys

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Speaker 1: So what we've tried to do because of what we

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Speaker 1: Babies go through a lot too. We have to respect

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Speaker 1: early or to be delayed. Some babies won't nurse for

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Speaker 1: delaying breastfeeding for the mother. So there are many many keys.

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Speaker 1: Think of it like an octopus with a lot of tentacles,

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Speaker 1: different times. For example, in the nicke baby, the intensive

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Speaker 1: were no exceptions. The mother should be instructed to start

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Speaker 1: to use a supplementation of either another mother's pump milk

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00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 1: don't or milk or formula because their babies need to

433
00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 1: be fed. There are certain criteria that have to be met, growing, gaining,

434
00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: and thriving in a baby and all the developmental milestones.

435
00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,400
Speaker 1: And if the mother is not able to produce enough

436
00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 1: chooses not to breastfeed or chooses to breastfeed part time,

437
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,199
Speaker 1: that's okay so long as the other criteria, which you

438
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,280
Speaker 1: and I've talked about a lot, is the baby wedding

439
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 1: and pooping appropriately. Is the baby acting appropriate at wake times,

440
00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,359
Speaker 1: alert and happy and content, playful and engaging, sleeping well,

441
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: not having meltdown, smelting, freaking now, screaming, crying that something's wrong,

442
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,520
Speaker 1: So exactly could be that? Yea, The most important thing

443
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 1: is you have to feed your baby. Yes, that isn't

444
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: And the baby that's fed well is a baby who

445
00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: will feed very well. The better we feed them, the

446
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: better they want to be fed, and the more they cooperate.

447
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: So we have to take a big, you know, open

448
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 1: lens of what's really going on. Going back to the

449
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,480
Speaker 1: story about helpers, we never want to overtax the helper either.

450
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,520
Speaker 1: So when a mother is feeling so vulnerable and so

451
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,159
Speaker 1: um lost and and sad or depressed, of course we

452
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: always worry about mother's falling into a postpart and more

453
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: than baby blues, but a depression of some sort. A

454
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: physician needs to be stepping in a psychologist and a

455
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: well trained professional counselor to help women. We want to

456
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: make sure that the other people are also not getting lost.

457
00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 1: We don't want to lose the mother or the father,

458
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 1: the other mother, if there's a lesbian couple or the

459
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 1: dad or her people that they are so overtaxed by

460
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 1: a mother in trouble that they are not able to

461
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: perform their jobs either. So everybody has to stay healthy.

462
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 1: What's remember the first staver came. I was like, I'm

463
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 1: having a lactation specialists come in. Something's really wrong. Um.

464
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: And my husband was like, well, can I be there

465
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: for that? And I was like yes, please, like please

466
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: be here because you're going to hear things that I

467
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: might miss that are helpful. UM. I do think the

468
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: most important thing with lactation and actually post baby just

469
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: get help early. Yes, that is the most important thing

470
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 1: with lactation. If you're feeling blues depression, somebody that it's like,

471
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: don't sit in that for too long. Like, I'm just

472
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: so relieved that at two weeks you know three weeks

473
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: I saw something was wrong and I didn't just try

474
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: to figure it out on my own going down Google

475
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 1: spirals for like weeks because I wouldn't have made I

476
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 1: wouldn't I would have quit. I would have quit breastfeeding.

477
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: I would have I think I would have felt even

478
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,240
Speaker 1: worse than I did. But I it really I remember

479
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 1: taking one baby class where someone was like, you just

480
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: ask for help as soon as you think that something

481
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 1: is wrong and meaning and for lactation, especially if you

482
00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: feel like you're not doing a great hold and your

483
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: back is really hurting you, or the latch is really

484
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: not going perfectly, or for some reason it's super painful

485
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: for the entire length of the feed. These are all

486
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: major flags and that you should make a phone call,

487
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 1: or you should call your hospital or OBI or someone

488
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 1: that can just ask for help, for someone who might

489
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,320
Speaker 1: know more than you to lead you down another path

490
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,199
Speaker 1: of someone who can help you. That is like, I

491
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 1: think that's very critical to say, and I will speak

492
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: on behalf of the physicians and the midwives. They are

493
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 1: very sad when they find two or three or four

494
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: or five weeks later my patient didn't call me. They

495
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:37,200
Speaker 1: are part of the story that is so vital Without them.

496
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: I mean I certainly could not do my work. I

497
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: take orders from physicians and midwives. Pediatricians as well, get

498
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: very very discouraged and sad with their client relationship when

499
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: the mother or the father have not called to say

500
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 1: the baby has been up every night, or I don't

501
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: understand why the baby's acting like this, and they go

502
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: everywhere else but to the perfect person. The relationship you'll

503
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,600
Speaker 1: have the longest of any physician relationship is your patrician,

504
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 1: eighteen years with the same person. They know you well,

505
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: they know you inside out, and and they know your family.

506
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: And if there are other siblings that come along, and

507
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: there are other parents that are coming to the appointments

508
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: or grandma steps info. I've actually been in the patrician's

509
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: office within nanny comes with the children. The parents are working.

510
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: These relationships. These bonds are huge, and people who are

511
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: having a baby, or who have had a baby or

512
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: expectant need to know that that person, midwife, doula, doctor, pediatrician, lactation,

513
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: that's therapist will come together united. We are a force,

514
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: a strong force together. We don't work well fragmented. This

515
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,959
Speaker 1: is what keeps having and and we have still need it.

516
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: It just looks differently than it did hundreds of years ago.

517
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: People didn't know that they could get help, or didn't

518
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: a way to go to get Hell, are they're embarrassed

519
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: or they're ashamed or don't think they need or you know,

520
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 1: I think women are. So it's about being strong and

521
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: doing it on your own or you know I I

522
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: it's my own problem off exit And I think such

523
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 1: a huge learning curve that I have been on in

524
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 1: motherhood is it's like asked for help and asked for

525
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: a help the minute you think you need it. You

526
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,879
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because hick up the damn phone

527
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: and mail your partner. Hey, this has not been going

528
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: great for me. I'm not enjoying it. I really need

529
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: to talk to someone about it. So is there one

530
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:24,440
Speaker 1: right way to breastfeed? How does a mom find out

531
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 1: what's right for her? There? So, there's no right way.

532
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,359
Speaker 1: There's only the way that works for that mother and baby,

533
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: And for any number of various reasons, there could be

534
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: a special way. For example, if a baby is diagnosed

535
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: with a hip displacia, they may be wearing a special

536
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 1: harness that the orthopedic surgeons or doctors put the baby

537
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: in for six to eight weeks or longer. Those babies

538
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: have to be placed in a particular type of position

539
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: that a mother with a normal, healthy newborn would never

540
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: know or never do, so they deserve special attention. There

541
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: are babies who are in helmets because they have a

542
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 1: flathead and help my mommy me lay that's right, and

543
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 1: it's a big thing because we've put all the babies

544
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: on their back to sleep to prevent suddenifant death and

545
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: created a whole other set of issues, oh, which are resolvable.

546
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: But the babies are in a helmet. They're special and

547
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: they need to be held in a special way. The

548
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: normal nursing positions are variable. You can nurse football something

549
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 1: that's right, the create sitting up, laying back on your side.

550
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: You guys came over and laid me down and put

551
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: the baby on my boob in like a laying down position.

552
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: I almost you could cry of that. Bans. I was like,

553
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: excuse me, what, like there are multiple positions, like I

554
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: didn't know in the military, I had no idea. And

555
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,679
Speaker 1: the other thing that was so helpful that you taught me,

556
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: which was so great, was you got me out of

557
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 1: nursing jail is what you called it, which was every

558
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: day when it would be time to nurse, I would

559
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 1: count down the minutes that I was getting close to

560
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: the window where I knew he was going to be hungry,

561
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: and I was dreading it because I knew it was

562
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: gonna be painful, and I was going to verse at him,

563
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 1: and it was gonna be to curling and not in

564
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 1: a good way, and I was going to hate it.

565
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: And I was going to report to my nursing chair

566
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: in his dark room where I wouldn't speak to anyone,

567
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,479
Speaker 1: and maybe I would put on an episode of some

568
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: TV show I has binge watching, and it would be horrible.

569
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: And you said, you gotta get a nursing jail. You

570
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 1: gotta put him on that boob, standing up, laying down,

571
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: sitting here, sitting there out at a restaurant. Wear a cover,

572
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: don't wear a cover, whatever the heck, but you gotta

573
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: make if you're going to do this, it has to

574
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 1: be part of your life. And I can remember the

575
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: first time I nursed in public in my house. Tony

576
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: Goldwyn of Scandal came over to visit my son and

577
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: meet Alby for the first time. I thought he was

578
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: going to stay for an hour. He stayed for three.

579
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 1: We had a lot to chat about. He's the best.

580
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: It was time to nurse the baby. And I can

581
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 1: hear Linda Hannah in my head. You don't have to

582
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: report to nursing prison. You can sit on your couch.

583
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: You can. And I literally, for the first time I

584
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: ever learned how to like nurse him in front of

585
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: a stream, not a stranger of family, the Scandal family,

586
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 1: but I nursed him in front of someone, and I

587
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 1: was like, I gotta get confident and I'm just gonna

588
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 1: do it, and it's gonna like all motherhood, I've had

589
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 1: to learn by doing. And I remember the first time

590
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: I ever nursed in public at a restaurant. I remember

591
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: the first time I ever nursed while walking around my

592
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: house and holding him simultaneously, like there's just like okay,

593
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 1: like we gotta move on. Life has got to go,

594
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: and if I want breastfeeding to be a part of

595
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 1: my life, he's got to come along with me. And

596
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,719
Speaker 1: I hear when you always say like, well, your boobs

597
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: come with you, so you can they go wherever you go.

598
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: They always work. And now I've learned it, like, oh,

599
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: this is awesome. It's going to be horrible when he

600
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: starts eating food and I have to like pack stuff.

601
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: This is gonna be a nightmare. That's why a lot

602
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: of women breastfeed for such a long time. Easy, Like

603
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: I take him off the plane, I whip out a boob,

604
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. I take him to a restaurant.

605
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to like make plans. I don't have

606
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: to pack stuff. It's been very you know, it will

607
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: be a whole other, exciting new chain of things when

608
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: I introduced food to him. I have to tell you

609
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: this story really quick. The first time I ever breastfed,

610
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: albeit at work. It was the first day I had

611
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 1: ever taken him to work. He was seven weeks old.

612
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: And I have an episode where I had to learn

613
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: a dance routine dancing with an actor. Joe Morton who

614
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: plays Papa Pope, and Debbie Allen came into choreograph the

615
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: dance scene. First day at work. The baby needs to eat,

616
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: I said, well, Debbie Allen and Joe more neither have

617
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: to wait, which I was like, oh my gosh, I'm

618
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: not making Debbie Allen and Joe Moreton waite. They are

619
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: like legends no way do they care if I breastfeed

620
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: while we rese the dance his first day at work.

621
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: He's I have photos of it, you guys, we can

622
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: post it on the light maybe, But I have photos

623
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: of him under like I'm nursing him dancing with Joe

624
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: Morton and Debbie Allen's teaching me the depth the dance

625
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: moves while Britney spears Hit me Baby one more time

626
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: is playing And that's how And I was like, oh, yeah,

627
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: I can do this anywhere anytime. I'm multitasking to the

628
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: end degree because I'm a mom. So what are some

629
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: new things moms should consider when making the decision whether

630
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: or not to breastfeed? Oh that's a good question. Um well,

631
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: my first advice would be to tell everybody who's pregnant

632
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: two really consider what their long term goals are going

633
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: to be if they're planning on being a home mom

634
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: versus a working mother. Thinking about does breastfeeding fit in

635
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: my story? Uh? Does breastfeeding and bottle feeding fit in

636
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: my story? Do I want my baby to have my

637
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: breast milk? So there are there are really two schools.

638
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: The one school is I want my baby to get

639
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: my breast milk. I don't necessarily need my baby to

640
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 1: nurse on me for whatever reason, but I want the

641
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: baby getting breastmolk. That's one option. There are other women

642
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 1: who say, I don't really care how much breastmolk the

643
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: baby gets. I just like the feeling of nursing. So

644
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: our moms who have a lower supply can still put

645
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: the baby on the nurse as they like to connect

646
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: with the baby. But it might not be where the

647
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 1: baby is getting their exactly. They may have to be

648
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: supplemented or bottle fed some way, or some other supplement.

649
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: We do have lots of other variables for supplementing at

650
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: the breast. And then there were women who just really

651
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to breastfeed. I don't want to

652
00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: make milk. It's not in my my story, or I've

653
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: done it before and I'm not going to try it again.

654
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: They had bad experiences. That's okay. Then we start out

655
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: right away with that plan. Don't talk to this mother

656
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: about nursing. Don't obligate this woman to feel she has

657
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: to do something. Let's go in very kindly and say

658
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna make this as comfortable a process. It maybe

659
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 1: a little uncomfortable. Will make it as comfortable a process

660
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: as possible. You'll move through this over the next few

661
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: days and weeks. We'll be in touch. We'll keep you know,

662
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: reminding you what steps you need to take to make

663
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: the milk supply diminish, go away, and then you're off

664
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: on your own journey. If there's a mom who wants

665
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: to do combination, make combinations something very manageable and reasonable.

666
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: And if it's I only want a breastfeed and I

667
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: don't want to use bottles at all, make sure we're

668
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: really clear about if you plan to leave your baby,

669
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: let me make sure I make this very clear. There

670
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: are women who will not leave their baby with anyone

671
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: for a year or two. I'm with the baby, the

672
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: babies with me. As you said, my breast go wherever

673
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: I go. There was work. I'm doing great. They exclusively

674
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: breastfeed for as long as they there's no discussion of

675
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: bottle feeding in their story at all. Sometimes I call

676
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: those my to Panga Canyon mummiescans real hippie bill. That's right.

677
00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: They're very natural and yes, organic and it's wonnerful. They

678
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: do not want to bott and they do not want

679
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: to there's no bottle near their baby, and that's okay.

680
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: Then we have other women who say, I kind of

681
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of do a little bit of everything, but it's

682
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna be my breast milk. Okay. We're going to make

683
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: sure that that mother is on a very very good

684
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 1: pumping plan really early, so that she's producing as much

685
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: milk as possible in the first forty to sixty days,

686
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: so that the breastfeeding story continues on for a year

687
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 1: or two or more, because the more we help them

688
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: in the early days and weeks, which is why you

689
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 1: don't want to delay talking to electation, the more like

690
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: you're a good example. I only have two ounces, Wow,

691
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: I have four now, it's not crazy. I have stuffing.

692
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: Once I got through the nipple fissure land in my

693
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 1: hashtag nipple journey, then my panic attack anxieties started to

694
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: rear its ugly head again when I thought I wasn't

695
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: making enough. Um. I have a lot of friends who

696
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 1: are milkmaids, and they would inst a story their freezers

697
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: filled with frozen milk. Cut to my depression again. Because

698
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: I did not have a freezer filled with milk. I

699
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: was feeding enough for my kid. I knew he wasn't hungry,

700
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't fussy. He was happy when he was awake,

701
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: he was alert when he was awake, he was sleeping well.

702
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: So I knew that I was providing him with enough milk.

703
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 1: I also went so far as to call him too

704
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 1: Hannah again. And you would weigh him before. I would

705
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 1: nurse him on one side, then weigh him after, and

706
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,520
Speaker 1: you would see, tell me because I'm really crazy. You

707
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: would say, look, he's had two and a half ounces

708
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: on this side. Let's put him on the other breast.

709
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: He would drink. We would measure he was eating. He

710
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: was getting enough. I knew he was, but I was

711
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: so upset that I was not this like milkmaid I

712
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: dreamed of being. And then I kept saying to my pediatrician,

713
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm just so scared. I'm gonna have to start supplementing.

714
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,400
Speaker 1: And why is that a dirty word? And she said,

715
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: some mommies just grow with the baby. It's right. He

716
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 1: doesn't need six ounces right now. He has a tiny belly.

717
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: He only needs two and a half ounces three ounces off.

718
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: You're feeding him every three hours. Um, and my milk

719
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: supply now, I grow, I grew with him. Now I

720
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:14,439
Speaker 1: make seven eight ounces. If I've gone, you know, through

721
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: the night, I make ten ounces. But that's now he's

722
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: taking a five ounce bottle and he's four, he's sixteen

723
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: weeks old, so I've grown exactly with what his belly needs.

724
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: And when I'm at work and i'm shooting scandal, I

725
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: pumps on. When he's eating at home a bottle and

726
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: I've managed to save up enough and I'm still going.

727
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: And I've never been more proud of something that has

728
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: made so hard for me. It's truly amazing that people

729
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: would think that I'm I'm a failure. I'm done, it's

730
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 1: never going to get better, and then magically it gets better,

731
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: because it does get the baby helps you. Well, the

732
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: baby has helped. He's gotten better at it, and I've

733
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: gotten better at it, and I've thank God learned to

734
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: just like chill out a little go and just hey,

735
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: like we've got this. You're gonna let me know if

736
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,400
Speaker 1: something's not working, and I'm gonna go with you through this,

737
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I just you have.

738
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: There is this motherly instinct of knowing your baby and

739
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: knowing he's okay. He like there's this crazy thing about

740
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: breastfeeding that when you give a bottle and you know

741
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 1: you've had he's had five ounces and whatever, and you're good.

742
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: There's something about breastfeeding where you really got to rely

743
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 1: on Oh he's done, he's full, he's pulled off, he's good.

744
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 1: Let's put him on the other side. Oh we tried it.

745
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: He's uninterested. He'll tell me if he's full. The baby

746
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 1: has the magic. People don't have to really learned to

747
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: read his cues, which has been something for me. I

748
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 1: just has been hard to just like really relax and

749
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: know that he's going to communicate with me, not through

750
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: words because he can't speak yet. Um, what do you mean?

751
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: You have to remind them mothers to make sure they're

752
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,919
Speaker 1: taking care of themselves. It's it's vital for the mother

753
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 1: to be eating well and to be getting proper nutrition.

754
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: Andrunch about this A lot, very important, a lot, And

755
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 1: you have to take yourself and your ego out of

756
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: the equation, especially for someone who's on camera. You know that, like, oh,

757
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: I'm not just jumping into diet land because that's not

758
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 1: what's best for my baby and for breastfeeding. Right now,

759
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: he I have to have carbohydrates. I might not cardio

760
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: for some women makes their milk supply go down, um,

761
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: which is definitely my excuse of why I'm still not

762
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: doing because I ate it, um, And why I have

763
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: my oatmeal in the morning and all of my nuts

764
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: and my oat stout beer on weekends, because how delicious

765
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that I get to have that right now, because it's

766
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: good for my milks. And probably the only time in

767
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: your life will will say you eat everything you love.

768
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: I love it everything in moderation, You'll be fine. Yeah,

769
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: it's great. Can you um? Is it normal to feel

770
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: pain and discomfort while breastfeeding? What is the normal threshold

771
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: for that? Everybody has a different paint holerance, So some

772
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: women would be a two on the pain scale and

773
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: others are nine. I think we have to use that

774
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: scale very carefully to make sure we're treating appropriately. If

775
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: somebody says there are two, then that's okay. But if

776
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: they say there are seven, eight or nine, we need

777
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: to address that issue with either changing positions, or evaluating

778
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: the nipple or evaluating the baby. So the like tation

779
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: consult has a responsibility to look at all the key

780
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: pieces in the story, but it shouldn't be painful. Breastfeeding

781
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 1: is not without sensations. That's very different. Not without a

782
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: double negative. That means that you're not going to feel nothing,

783
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: but you don't have to use the word painful as

784
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 1: a descriptor. This is uh, I feel like tugging in

785
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: a pulling for example, or maybe this is not the

786
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: most comfortable. But again, nipples are meant to be used

787
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:25,439
Speaker 1: for loving and romanticizing, and there are a sensory organ

788
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 1: so they're going to be much more sensitive, and they

789
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: do a lot of nerve ending, so they're much more sensitive.

790
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: But they can also get very badly damaged with inappropriate

791
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: latch or as you said, that is just the way.

792
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: One time, I was like, my nipples are black and

793
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,319
Speaker 1: blue after I got through the fissure, and but it

794
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: didn't really hurt, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's just

795
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: wear and tear, and I was like, oh my gosh.

796
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: Sometimes insane for me. Yes, sometimes my nipple journey was insane. Yeah,

797
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 1: sometimes the pumping can be a little bit of a

798
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: insult that you put out. We don't want the nipples

799
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: to look bruised or black and blue, but they certainly

800
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: can go through their their own For a few days,

801
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I to get better that's right, but we want women

802
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: to get an intervention early. There shouldn't be breastfeeding and

803
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: this is killing me, and the word pain should not

804
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: be in the same story. There's something that can be

805
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: done for almost everyone. There are very minimal exceptions to

806
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: this rule where it's going to be painful no matter what.

807
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: There are some unusual situations. I don't know that we

808
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 1: want to talk about them today, but there are some

809
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: unusual situations in the breast anatomy story where you can't

810
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: avoid this. But even in your case, a fissure can

811
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,880
Speaker 1: be resolved and the pain can be removed from the story. Guys,

812
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: guess how I resolved it. I did not do a stitch.

813
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,439
Speaker 1: I just kept putting the kid on there and fix

814
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: and the kid is resolved me. The antibodies in my

815
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,439
Speaker 1: breast milk and the antibodies in his mouth is what

816
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: made the proper latch. Taking the nipple shield away and

817
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,760
Speaker 1: and having the baby on correctly is a game changer.

818
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 1: So if we can help women by reminding them you

819
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: don't have to suffer through this and sit through a

820
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: twenty or forty minute oh my god, oh my god,

821
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: doing your childbirth breathing that's a problem. You know, say,

822
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: if you have to do your chop with breathing we

823
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: did right minutes while they're breastfeeding, something's wrong, right, And

824
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: or if you need boats from all the wrinkles that

825
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,319
Speaker 1: you've made in your face from screnching up your face

826
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: for twenty five minutes. And also, you know, the breastfeeding

827
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: gets easier and shorter. We were talking about this. I

828
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,640
Speaker 1: used to breastfeed. I'm just remembering now, used a breastfeed

829
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes on each side, thirty minutes total.

830
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe this was going to be my future.

831
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 1: What a nightmare. Now it's like six minutes, eight minutes,

832
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: and he's done. That's right, It's like it's gotten. It's

833
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: a game changer. Absolutely. I tell a lot of moms this.

834
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: If you can't make it all the way, you'll miss

835
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: out on the most amazing part, which is the funny part.

836
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: They're actually comical. They look up and smile. Oh, that's

837
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,720
Speaker 1: all my baby's doing. I know is that I'm like, oh, shoot,

838
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: I shouldn't make eye contact because as soon as he

839
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 1: sees my laughing and smiling, and I'm like, oh gosh,

840
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: like now you know what I mean, and I gotta

841
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: get it back on. But and sometimes they're very funny.

842
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: They'll hold onto the nipple and turn their head when

843
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: they hear the door open to see is that Grandma

844
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 1: coming in, and the nipples become like rubber banding, kind

845
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 1: of stretched out. Oh my god, And the mothers actually

846
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 1: say I didn't feel that. That's kind of crazy or

847
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: actually it hurts, which in which case we have to

848
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: fix it. But the baby goes through their own developmental

849
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: phases and milestones as well at the breast, so it

850
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: becomes kind of comical. And oftentimes mothers will say, I've

851
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: got to actually go in a quiet room now because

852
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: all of you talking distracting. Yes, I can't talk. I

853
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: used to be able to send emails and have conversations

854
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: that don't have to be in a dark room. I

855
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: was chatting with Tony Goldwyn I just spoke about But

856
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: now I I do have to find a place where

857
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 1: I just he has to focus and he has to

858
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: eat for a short time a right, eight minutes now

859
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: six minutes. But but I can't be holding court because

860
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: he's like, oh we're talking conversation, good time, Like he's

861
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: very alert now he's just wearing and they're funny. And

862
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: they get older, they get even sillier and funnier. Sometimes

863
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: the older babies will go to the breast, suck for

864
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: two minutes, pull off, do a little thing, go back

865
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 1: to the breast. I'm saying, don't put you brought back

866
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: on yet, because he's coming right back and it's actually fun.

867
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: So if you can get to the fun part past

868
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 1: the first eight weeks or ten weeks, it just shoots

869
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: off like a rocket to amazing nous and gets better

870
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: and better and better. Eight I turned such a cord,

871
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 1: a tremendous shot. I just really thank God for you,

872
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 1: because I, like I said, I just I, had I

873
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: not seek to the help I needed, would not have.

874
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 1: I'm very proud of it. Looks amazing. The baby is

875
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,799
Speaker 1: doing great. Um. What is the most common question you get?

876
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: I think probably still the biggest question is can I

877
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: breastfeed and also take breaks, not be at every feeding,

878
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: use supplements, pumped milk if I have it, or bottles

879
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: And the answer is yes to all of them. The

880
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: answer is yes if you start early, and you start

881
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: intervening correctly, and you don't rush too quickly to get

882
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: a bottle in there, but take your time and process,

883
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: understand and learn about your baby and yourself. There is

884
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 1: a way to combine breastfeeding with supplementing breastfeeding with pumped

885
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: milk bottles, having someone else helped feed your baby for you,

886
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 1: giving the mother a break so she can rest. There's

887
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: a way to do all of this really well. But

888
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: most of the time we remind mothers, your story is

889
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: gonna keep changing. You have to be on your toes.

890
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: You've got it exactly what happened crazy, absolutely like we

891
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: were in such a groove and now he's like to

892
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: you know, like looking around and being a mayor, and

893
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,720
Speaker 1: like it's just like changing sleep cycles, change their poopy styles,

894
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,720
Speaker 1: change their behavior at the breast changes. There's so many changes.

895
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: Your lifestyle changes, your family changes. Maybe you start feeling better.

896
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm ready to step out a little bit. I'm gonna

897
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: go and leave the baby for two or three hours.

898
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my hair done. We call all the time.

899
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: Can I get coloring? Can I get a perm Can

900
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 1: I get a week when I do something? And the

901
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,120
Speaker 1: answer is yes, there's a way to do. You're going

902
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 1: to be yourself again, although you may not feel it,

903
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: but it's a new self. So you're an improved, better

904
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: version of yourself, a mother and a companion. You now

905
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: have a permanent friend for life, and they're the best

906
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: part of your day. So leaving in the morning to

907
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: go to work for a working mother is sad and emotional.

908
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: Is a tearing feeling. Will I will be there and

909
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: remember when when I get home and the baby is

910
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: so happy to see you. Or we have many moms

911
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 1: who have to travel for work. They're gone to New

912
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 1: York where they're gone. I'm going to my first time

913
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: next week. I'm horrified. It's scary. Some women get to

914
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: travel with their babies and their helpers. Some people have

915
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 1: to leave the baby behind and wonder, well the baby

916
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: breastfeed when I get back. I'm telling you, and I

917
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: will tell everybody. It is your attitude. Of course, the

918
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 1: baby will breastfeed if you leave saying listen, I'll be

919
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: back in four days. We'll be doing nursey again. When

920
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:33,879
Speaker 1: I get back, the baby we'll nurse. Oh my god,

921
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: if you leave, he'll never nurse. He won't like me,

922
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: he'll be Why is mothering so mental? Man? Why is

923
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: it a mental state? I'm telling you yes, and it's like, oh, shoot,

924
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: I didn't become a mother to teach a child everything

925
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: I know. I actually became a mother also to to

926
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: learn so many things about how I can be a

927
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 1: better human and better person, Like just really tackle all

928
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: of my fears, endings, ideas. It's really been And I'm

929
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: only at this for three and a half months, you guys,

930
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 1: and and look how far you come. You open up

931
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: opportunities in your own self that you didn't know you had.

932
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 1: You become a much kinder person when you're parenting a baby,

933
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: parenting a child, being a partner in a partnership with

934
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: someone and respecting and understanding each other and your relationships

935
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: with one another, respecting the space to let the baby go.

936
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: For example, when you have a helper and nanny adula

937
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: um your partner and you say I'm going to let

938
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: you take charge of this is a very hard and

939
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: emotional journey for a parent to do. And on the

940
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: flip side, for somebody else to say, I'm going to

941
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: leave and trust you to feed my baby well, feed

942
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 1: my baby well for me please, because you're the primary

943
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: person feeding my baby. There's a lot of anxiety on

944
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: the other side, where often a parent will feel like, um,

945
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,359
Speaker 1: maybe the mother isn't in her right place or doing

946
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: what she needs to do that's right for her and

947
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 1: for her baby. So oftentimes we'll get dad's or other

948
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: moms involved in saying, I don't know if this is

949
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: really working the way it should be. I'm not I'm

950
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: worried about my wife. I'm worried about my partner. I'm

951
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: worried about her and my baby. So this is a

952
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: very big, big, big span of possibilities that we can't ignore,

953
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: we shouldn't ignore. The lactation is on the only one

954
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 1: piece of the story that we refer and go to

955
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: the physicians and our advisors and our support and counselors

956
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 1: to help us understand all of these pieces that our

957
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: parents is going through. It's an octopus. Last question, Linda Hannah,

958
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: what is the strangest question you've ever gotten? So strange?

959
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: Strange is a weird word. I've had so many funny,

960
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: funny things happen. They're not strange necessarily, but they're actually funny.

961
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: One of my funniest ones and my lactation consultant staff

962
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: and I talked about this a lot. We'll often get

963
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: a parent who wants to breastfeed, but they start the

964
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 1: conversation with I want to be able to breastfe my baby,

965
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: but I don't want to pump and it don't actually

966
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: want to breastfeed at night. I only want to breastfeed

967
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: a couple of times in the day. But I want

968
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: to make all the milk for the baby, and I

969
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: don't want the baby getting any supplementing at all. Well,

970
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,399
Speaker 1: that's gonna be really hard because as it may look

971
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,399
Speaker 1: like I'm a magician, I'm not actually a magician. So

972
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: I can't. My staff and I also laugh about this,

973
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: and we can't make things like that happen. We want

974
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: people to know going in this is the steps that

975
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: are needed to take to get to this goal right here.

976
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: So we have to know the goals first. So when

977
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 1: when people ask me what's the funniest or the strangest

978
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,879
Speaker 1: thing that's ever happened, I'd have to say, honestly, it's

979
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: trying to make milk appear out of nowhere. Uh. And

980
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: so that's kind of a that's one of the funny ones.

981
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 1: Another really odd thing that's happened. Uh. And I feel

982
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: very honored that this has happened to me. I've had

983
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: four occasions where a parent has called me to ask

984
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: me to help them breastfeed, that they've adopted a baby

985
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: and they are pregnant with a baby when they want

986
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: to breastfeed both of them. And I've been very lucky,

987
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: and that has happened to me four times. And uh,

988
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 1: that's a lot to have. That happened where we were

989
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: planning on having a baby, We couldn't get pregnant, we

990
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: tried IVF, we've tried I U I, we finally decided

991
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,720
Speaker 1: to adopt. We've gotten a baby. We're so happy, and

992
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,720
Speaker 1: we've and many of these. In two of these stories,

993
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: the baby was getting breast milk from someone else a

994
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: milk bank don'tor was giving the infant and the mother

995
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 1: can currently had found out on the adoption process or

996
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: receiving a baby that she herself was actually pregnant. Once

997
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: they stopped trying, they became pregnant. This happened to me

998
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: a couple of times. And those are really odd cases.

999
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: Now I've got a four month old and a new

1000
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: born trying to nurse together, and that possible. Oh, it's

1001
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 1: pretty crazy pictures of it, because it's so amazing when

1002
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: it happens. It is possible, and oddly enough, the older babies,

1003
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 1: the four month or five month or six month old,

1004
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: because I've had a few of them now, are so

1005
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: silly when they breastfeed because they've been bottle fed, but

1006
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: they've had They're so adorable. And then when the newborn

1007
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: is there and they sometimes can do it together, but

1008
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: oftentimes we will have the older baby nurse or the

1009
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: newborn first, so the milk comes down easily for the

1010
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 1: second baby, and then they latch on and it's funny.

1011
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: They don't actually fully breastfeed, but the fact that the

1012
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: mother can then say, my adoptive baby is breastfeeding is

1013
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: my bobling believable. Those are my best story. It's so

1014
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 1: crazy and special, and when I have them, they usually

1015
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: I'm the four times this has happened, I've had baby

1016
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: into racial babies, so they'll be like a darker skinned

1017
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: and a light skinned baby, or one was an Asian

1018
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: baby adopted baby and a Caucasian baby, or one was

1019
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: an Asian baby with the black newborn. A beautiful story.

1020
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 1: So I've had that happen. Those are wonderful parts of

1021
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: my personal life that I get to be part of

1022
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: I feel so lucky. And my staff we talked about

1023
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 1: this a lot. We feel so lucky to be included.

1024
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: I feel like them. I'm when I was first doing

1025
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 1: this my professional work, I was thirty years younger. I

1026
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: was a young mother or not even a mother in

1027
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: my own story, and then became a mother. Now I'm

1028
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: like the grandma. I've been doing this for a long time.

1029
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a grandma to all these babies

1030
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 1: and I love them. And I feel like my staff

1031
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: when I tell people all the time, thank you for

1032
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: letting us be part of your story, because inviting us

1033
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: into your private life sometimes very sad and scary and vulnerable.

1034
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: As an emotional talk about the waves of emotion that

1035
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: come over. I've had dad's cry. I've had grandmother sit

1036
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: down and say thank you for giving my daughter or

1037
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: my daughter in law something I did not have. I

1038
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: feel like part of their story. And we, as lactation

1039
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: consultants in the community and nurses in the community, feel

1040
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: you're inviting us in and then you're letting us stay.

1041
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: And when I get to go back to a third

1042
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: of the family, I've been with the mother for all

1043
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: of her children and were on number three, number four.

1044
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,359
Speaker 1: I was at somebody with number six and I took

1045
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: care of number one, number two. She didn't call me

1046
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 1: in the middle, she didn't need my help in number six.

1047
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,680
Speaker 1: I feel like part of their family. The hole into

1048
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: It's wonderful. We were very lucky to get to have

1049
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: this opportunity. People several times, you so lucky at this job.

1050
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: And I don't even think of it as being with

1051
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: the babies. I think it is being I get to

1052
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: be with the mothers, and the mothers bring me back

1053
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: and remind me I'm the mother. I'm mothering, and mothering

1054
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: is a very big job with a very tremendous, tremendous

1055
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:24,680
Speaker 1: responsibility factor. That really is is really a very private

1056
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: and emotional thing. I'm very lucky. We love you, Linda.

1057
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for being on Kate's Crib. You are such

1058
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: a treasure. Thank you. We are very lucky to have you.

1059
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for listening and joining us

1060
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: on this adventure. Please make sure to subscribe to keats

1061
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