WEBVTT - TJ Holmes and Amy Robach Answer: Should Couples Run a Business Together? 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.040 Welcome to Bill and Juliana the Podcast. 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.479 Hey guys, welcome to Bill and Juliana the Podcast. So 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:14.920 one question, would you say, it's a nice ring to 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:17.520 me Bill? You still love the name Bill and Julian. 0:00:18.000 --> 0:00:21.000 So one question we always get as a couple is 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.840 what is it like working together? Because Bill and I 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:26.760 we have so many of our businesses overlap. Not only 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:29.160 did we do a reality show, what eighty episodes of 0:00:29.200 --> 0:00:33.559 a reality show? We have restaurants together, you know, we 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:37.800 have a check Italian food line together. And so people 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.680 always ask, what's it like working together? Do you get 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.200 on each other's nerves? How do you make it successful? 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:45.159 How do you make it happen? That whole thing. So 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:48.240 we thought that we would reach out to another couple 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.600 who also works together, especially now as we embark on 0:00:51.600 --> 0:00:55.400 this podcast, A venture of the way for us. Yes, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.800 and so it's Amy Roebock and TJ Pioneers. There are 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.960 pioneers and podcasting. Yes, So they are journalists or podcasters, 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.680 their partners, and they are two people who also work 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.319 together every single day. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.640 So the question and run marathons together and marathons you 0:01:11.680 --> 0:01:12.240 can't do that. 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:13.640 I mean, we're going to get to start. 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:16.800 So the question we're posing today on the podcast is 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:20.160 can couples work together without damaging their relationships? 0:01:20.160 --> 0:01:21.959 So, first of all, welcome you to to the show, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:22.479 thank you. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:22.959 For having us. 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:24.679 You can, I answer the question, yes, they can. 0:01:25.000 --> 0:01:30.360 They can work absolutely, have a great day. We're done. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:34.000 So first of all, welcome, We're so happy to see 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:34.520 the two of this. 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:35.560 Congrats. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:38.520 You guys look madly in love to I'm noticing the 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:39.600 body language and. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:42.360 You know what, I really even notice that we do this. 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:44.840 We get caught doing this so often that people think 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.240 we're staging it. No, no, no, this is real. That is true, 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:47.560 is real? 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:50.840 That is true. Sometimes. Yeah, we've had paparazzi take pictures 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:54.080 of us and they have accused us of calling them 0:01:54.440 --> 0:01:57.080 and then performing for them, and we're like stuff, really 0:01:57.160 --> 0:01:59.280 had no idea there was a photographer. 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:00.800 And nobody's actually caught us on camera in a fight. 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.800 You are looking mad at each Other's the reason for that. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:06.880 We were cold one time, and they tried to say 0:02:06.920 --> 0:02:08.680 that we were like upset with each other, but it 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:12.720 was just like New York and twenty degrees wowing wind, 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:13.799 oh literally cold. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.840 We were just like with each other, freezing. 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:19.920 Books of pain on our face because of the wind, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:22.240 and they tried to say, no, that's the only time 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:23.880 I think I remember one time we were laughing, like, 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.280 did they say what the temperature was outside and how 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:26.880 freezing it was? 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:27.919 Thank you for noticing. 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:30.880 Yeah, no, it's great. It's really nice to see. 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.160 I do wonder because you know, we live in Chicago, 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:37.760 and so the paparazzi aren't like LA and New York. Yeah, 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.280 we really don't have them in New York when you're 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:42.359 walking around and we've never really lived in New York. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.280 I mean together a couple, yes, but together as a couple. 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:47.160 We lived in LA and the papa arts are one 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:49.959 thing there, But what in New York? Do you see them? 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.280 Are they really good at hiding out? Are they in cars? 0:02:52.680 --> 0:02:54.520 What's the deal with so many stories? 0:02:55.120 --> 0:02:58.400 Yeah, I'm the one with my head on a swivel. 0:02:58.480 --> 0:03:00.760 To the point she's pointing out, she said, you're not 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:03.799 even enjoying lunch because all you can do is make 0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.880 sure nobody's not behind a garbage can or something that's 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:10.120 not fun. We actually position ourselves sometimes in a restaurant 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.240 in a certain way so I can see certain angles. 0:03:13.280 --> 0:03:15.720 I only need to cover this many people. It's it 0:03:15.760 --> 0:03:17.919 gets in your head, and that's how robster. 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:19.840 You have to have your back to the It's kind 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.239 of it's bizarre that I live like you know, it 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:22.640 comes in. 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.079 And whacks you. But we've been burned so badly by 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:29.560 simply a picture of us doing nothing wrong gets spun 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:33.240 in such a way. So, yes, we've seen them. We've 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:37.360 been chased on bikes, We've had car chases around, police involved, yeah, 0:03:37.440 --> 0:03:41.120 police involved in the meatpacking district. We have been sprinting 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:43.320 down the street before. We have turned around while we 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:45.960 were running because we see a guy behind a tree. 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.760 We have unbelievable. 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:50.400 Going to come to Chicago, none of this happens there. 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:52.000 I know my parents are trying to get us to 0:03:52.000 --> 0:03:54.080 come back down to Atlanta. They're like, you will not 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.000 be bothered. 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:56.520 Like I was just in Buckhead. 0:03:56.680 --> 0:03:59.360 Oh yeah, that's a cool part of at DJ lived 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:01.800 in Atlanta, and obviously I grew up a lot of 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:03.440 my life. I've spent a lot of my life there. 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.800 So you know, we've discussed because yeah, it is a 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:07.880 softer kind of way of living. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:09.160 Well, can I ask you so TJ. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.080 You were saying that you're more the one that is 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:14.920 kind of more if you will say sensitive to it, 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:17.080 meaning you notice it more, you kind of see it more. 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.200 He's the only one who noticed this. 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.080 So wait, Amy, is it that you just what's your 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.440 kind of point of view on it? Do you just 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:24.640 feel like, what am I going to do? I'm just 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.159 going to live my life. I don't care if they're 0:04:26.160 --> 0:04:28.159 taking a picture of me. What's the worst that can happen? 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:31.039 They see me chewing food, It's like whatever. So you're 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.080 more like that attitude, and then TJ, You're just more 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:35.480 like you feel it's invasive. 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:36.600 Why are they photographing? 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:39.039 That's not that? Because I would say, I think you 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:43.000 might agree here open some might. There was a disproportionate coverage, 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.080 in negative coverage of me than that was of her. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:46.800 That's true. 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:48.840 So I am. I was literally just walking down the 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.880 street and I smiled at a member of the proparazzi. 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:54.000 I said hi, TJ. I said, you gotta do your thing. 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:56.919 Might as well say hello. She was very nasty to me, 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:59.120 And that was a picture of me smiling, and they 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:01.560 wrote a huge head line about me not taking an 0:05:01.560 --> 0:05:05.080 issue seriously or I'm laughing off this, or that that 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:07.560 I was being kind to someone who was chasing me 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.480 and it becomes that So I have been burned severely 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:15.600 by the bullshit. So I my head is TSD always yep, 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:18.479 I mean always on a swell, and that's I know 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.279 that sucks. And we have not hell. We're engaged, clearly, 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.960 we're not doing anything wrong. But I'm still looking around. 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.520 Are you getting Is it getting better as time goes on? 0:05:26.680 --> 0:05:27.000 For all? 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:27.600 For sure? 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:29.880 Yeah, we had a year of hell. Like where we 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.240 and when I say were followed every single day. We 0:05:32.279 --> 0:05:34.520 were followed every single day. It didn't matter where we 0:05:34.520 --> 0:05:36.840 were in the world. They found us. 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:39.120 Wow, in the world, in the world. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.159 I feel like I remember that. I feel like you 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.040 guys were in Europe right and they were. They were 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:44.560 following you. 0:05:44.600 --> 0:05:48.800 Everywhere Mexico heard Mexico, but just no matter where we went, 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.400 they and you know what, sometimes we learned and you've 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:55.359 I was always amazed because I thought, you're there's no 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.919 way those people are taking pictures of us like just 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.480 a family in the next you know, table over and 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:06.640 sure enough, and they will take a picture and they 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.600 will upload it to whatever tabloid they like, and they 0:06:10.640 --> 0:06:14.039 will literally send like paparazzi. They get like a fee 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:18.880 Like there are basically folks everywhere could possibly send your 0:06:18.920 --> 0:06:22.040 photo just from their phone up to whoever they feel 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.240 like they're going to get a kickback from, and they 0:06:24.360 --> 0:06:26.760 send the photographers believable. 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:29.400 I'm still that family they walked down the hall, I 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:30.240 would recognize them. 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.160 They were holding children in their laps. 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:34.400 They did they know? 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.120 Did they follow you into the restaurant or they were 0:06:37.160 --> 0:06:38.560 just happened to be there and they just knew they 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:39.480 could sell a picture? 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.120 Which one they were already there When we came to 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:45.159 the restaurant, we took the seat at the farthest end 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.880 of the pier. Did you have a reservation at the restaurant? 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:48.400 We went? 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:51.200 Honestly, we tried. We were trying to find places where 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.440 they wouldn't think we would go. So we were trying 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:55.960 to go to places where we wouldn't typically go, where 0:06:55.960 --> 0:06:58.040 you don't need a reservation, you could just kind of 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:02.080 slide in super casual, and it ended up blowing up 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:02.600 in our face. 0:07:02.760 --> 0:07:05.360 The exact world has changed, but really has Hey, we 0:07:05.440 --> 0:07:07.080 learned a lot of lessons there and I think we've 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:09.400 been saved a few times. With my head on a swivel. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:10.679 So it did. Yeah, it sucks. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.400 I appreciate his head swivel. It's just it makes me 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:17.320 sad that you don't enjoy moments out you are. It's 0:07:17.360 --> 0:07:19.640 a lot better now. There was a while where it 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.600 was just uncomfortable. Yeah, public, I got it. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:25.680 But it's like, doesn't it feel like because we've spoken before, 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.800 you know, on your podcast, and doesn't it feel like 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.080 do you think maybe just like time age, you know, 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:35.120 just as we get older too, it's kind of like 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:38.560 you can only control so much, right, you know what 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:39.000 I mean? 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:40.840 I don't know what do you think? 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.800 Well, yeah, Bill, you were talking about this earlier. You 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:44.840 get to a certain age to where you just don't 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.960 give a damn anymore. This is who I am. But 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.760 we had to learn a lot. If we had learned 0:07:51.800 --> 0:07:55.640 these things before everything, that we would have handled things 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.400 in the public eye differently. Here's the thing, guys, we 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.240 didn't realize we were celebrit would be put into a 0:08:01.280 --> 0:08:05.760 category of celebrities. We're journalists. I know they're a superstar journalist, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:08.680 but we are just journalists. So I'm getting a divorce. 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:11.400 I don't need to put out a statement that says 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:15.920 that nobody cares that TJ is getting divorced. If I'd 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:18.080 have done that ahead of time, then it wouldn't have 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:21.840 been a big deal months later to be dating Amy Robach. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.480 So the public find out about the dating before they 0:08:25.520 --> 0:08:29.360 found out about the divorce. So therefore, now you gotta 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.680 run with a negative story. And that's the only thing. 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.200 The reason you haven't seen anything about us lately, or 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.200 there hasn't been a story and it's gotten easier is 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.400 because we're happy. The only there is no scandal. There 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:41.880 is nothing you can even make up about us at 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.960 this point. So, but that's interesting. 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.680 Did you turn to faith at all during this trying time? 0:08:48.720 --> 0:08:52.240 Because I lost faith. I'll just faith in humanity, Like 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:55.800 I felt. It's one of those moments where, especially when 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.640 I think because we were in the industry and we 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:02.160 covered so many things, I couldn't have imagined what it 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.600 was like to have the camera switched and turned and 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.640 that spotlight turn on you, and all of a sudden, 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:12.680 you're like I felt like I was wearing a scarlet letter, 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.520 and I couldn't undo the false narrative. I couldn't say 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.839 enough people. Obviously, my close circle of friends knew I 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:21.200 was in the middle of a divorce and had been 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.439 in a divorce since the summer. So come November when 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:27.480 pictures come out. Once that happens, you can't undo it. 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.600 And I still thought like, well, surely once we explain, 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:34.840 people will let it go. And it just got worse 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.520 and worse and worse, and I felt like I couldn't win. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:41.760 I felt like there was nothing I could say. I 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.240 felt like there was nothing we could do, and that 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:46.880 felt very debilitating. I lost faith. 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:48.880 That's so interesting. 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.000 Sorry to hear that. 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:53.600 I'm sorry you guys went through that, but that doesn't sell, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.680 you know, when the original faith. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:10:00.760 Yeah, so. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:13.200 It's so interesting you guys are saying this because I've 0:10:13.240 --> 0:10:15.880 never thought of this, and it makes a lot of sense. 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:18.880 Is when you were saying that, it wasn't like you 0:10:18.920 --> 0:10:21.000 were these big movie stars, right, So you were saying, 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.400 we're journalists and we like we were, you know, we 0:10:24.480 --> 0:10:28.199 knew the reality of our situations and our lives and 0:10:28.280 --> 0:10:32.800 our marriages, relationships, divorce, and so in your head, right 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.040 like like America is going. But wouldn't you have told 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:38.120 us that you're on TV, you're famous, and you're like 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:40.600 us we were We just were like living our life, 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.160 like we had a whole reality, and then when it 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:47.360 was put out, there was a separate reality to people, right, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:49.040 And so I've never really thought of that. 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:49.920 That's very interesting. 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:52.199 You all could write the uh because we heard it 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:54.880 a million times. When couples in Hollywood get divorced, there's 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:57.240 a statement that comes out, yeah right say Blank and 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:00.280 Blank have made the difficult decision, after much count playing 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.760 in prayer, to move forward separately, but in friendship. We 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:07.679 will continue to co parent our children lovingly and with respect. 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:09.880 We asked for privacy at this time. 0:11:10.280 --> 0:11:10.960 The whole statement. 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.280 That's it, and that's the reason they do that, because 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.040 they're protecting their money and their reputation, because we don't 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:20.199 need some bullshit. So we didn't know to do that. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.080 It was an expensive mistake, it was. It certainly was. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.040 It's in the business. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:27.040 But you lost everything we did, we did and most 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:30.120 importantly our reputation, right, and that's almost impossible to get back. 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:34.079 It's been very difficult to after thirty years of building 0:11:34.520 --> 0:11:39.000 and sacrificing and loving our jobs, to have that happen. 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:42.520 Because we didn't put out a statement three four months 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.880 earlier that we were getting divorced. And you know, we 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:47.600 were just happened to be around the same time, but 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.280 it was a separate thing. We had been friends for 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.520 eight years, like best of friends. But this was just 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.760 a situation where, Yeah, I didn't think and TJ didn't 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:01.559 think anybody cared or followed or needed I didn't think 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.840 we needed to put out a statement. I didn't even 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:06.960 imagine for one second that anyone gave a rats you 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.280 know what about my love life. I just it wasn't 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:11.800 even in on my radar. 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:13.760 And here's the other thing. We didn't know we were 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:16.680 going to be dating. Right. If I knew I was 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:18.679 going to be getting into a relationship and dating, I 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:20.960 would have put a statement out mageuse I need to 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.280 make sure it wasn't It just wasn't that. So you 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.240 said we lost everything, We lost it because of a 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:28.520 lie and we couldn't get that. Do you have any 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.520 recourse with like your like, we're we're not. It's none 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:33.080 on my business. 0:12:33.160 --> 0:12:35.600 We could have. It just would have been a very lengthy, 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.160 painful process that we chose to avoid after all the 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.720 other pain we were experiencing. It was too much and 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.240 a lot of folks asked us to pursue it. And 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.679 it just I didn't have the strength. I didn't have 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:48.520 the mental capacity. And at the time, I know, TJ. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.960 Your your little one was, I mean she was nine, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.440 and my girls were in high school in New York 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.959 City and at NYU, and so they're walking past newspapers 0:12:57.960 --> 0:13:01.479 there and I just thought, whatever it takes, just go away, 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.480 because if you were to pursue legal action or to fight, 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.320 it is just going to continue and ramp up because 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.280 you're going up against a juggernaut of a company that 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:14.920 has unlimited resources to make your life a living hell. 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.400 And that is why we did not. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:19.240 We're probably not surprised to know there are a bunch 0:13:19.280 --> 0:13:22.120 of attorneys who were chomping at the bit to go 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:22.720 ahead to head. 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:26.040 That's true, calling you all yet. 0:13:25.559 --> 0:13:29.320 So they're in, yeah, come on, man, and we just 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:31.480 wanted to move for the sake of the kids and get. 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:34.720 Past it and just real quick, like you know, So 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.240 you had kind of what we were all seeing right 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:41.360 with the public was saying. But behind closed doors, right, 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.520 how were the two of you, like, what were you 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:48.200 saying to each other to like not let all of 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:52.520 this like worldwide press tear you apart, because that's what 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:55.679 happens most of the time, right, is the pressure is 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:59.040 so great when you're thrust into the spotlight like that 0:13:59.480 --> 0:14:03.920 wheneverallylationship to me, that's like I feel like every couple, right, 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.160 like even you and I the things we've been through 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.199 that have been really hard in life, like you have 0:14:08.280 --> 0:14:11.400 to have that like bond behind the sceings that no 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.360 one can see, Like what are we saying to each 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:16.520 other that keeps us together? You know? And so I'm 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.800 just curious, like what you guys, how it was behind 0:14:19.840 --> 0:14:20.360 closed doors. 0:14:20.440 --> 0:14:24.200 I don't want to downplay it, but what we were 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.560 saying to each other is I love you and where 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:29.400 you want to go get lunch? Because during that time 0:14:29.440 --> 0:14:32.040 when the whole world is against you, knowing you got 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.320 at least one yeah, and you're like one that's with you. 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.000 And look, part of it was that she was in 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.520 the same circumstances, so she couldn't necessarily run away from 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.880 it like I had a problem, and we were as 0:14:42.960 --> 0:14:46.600 solid and good. I do not remember a moment where 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.560 there was some question about our relationship not working out. 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:53.600 We were more sure of what we were doing. We 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:56.400 were so solidified and what we want to do with 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:59.200 our kids. And we made so many plans for the 0:14:59.280 --> 0:15:02.840 future duringduring that time, we were as excited as anything 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:06.120 to get away from it, to be together, to be public, 0:15:06.360 --> 0:15:08.960 and to move forward. And I didn't robes if you 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.120 I'm even trying to think of a fight during that 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:13.920 time that we had, and we had issues here or there. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.600 I'm not saying everything was perfect, but I am saying 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:18.680 it was as close to perfect as you could have made. 0:15:18.680 --> 0:15:23.480 Tears tears, God, yes, both of us. He's a crier. 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.200 I'm a big crier. Absolutely, Yeah, just give it a minute. 0:15:26.200 --> 0:15:33.480 We'll walter, but not tears, like about a little more 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.000 tears about the circumstance. 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.120 But more closely, you were so bonded. 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.480 You all were saying the secret to your marriage and 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.120 to your success is that you all are best friends. Yes, 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:45.920 and I will tell you even before we became romantically involved, 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:49.880 we were each other's sounding boards and best friends at work. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.120 If he had a question, even about like editorially speaking 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.120 about a story he was writing, or vice versa, you 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:57.840 would come into my dressing room and say, what do 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.480 you think about this? I would go into your dressing 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:01.240 room and say, what do you think about this? We 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:05.280 trusted each other on so many different levels professionally, and 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:07.720 then we just had some shared loves of things that 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.720 people don't like, Like we we went through those eight 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:13.280 years of GMA, were like the only two people who 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:17.160 loved SEC football. We love horror movies. Like we just 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.160 had these things that just bonded us together. We were 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.240 both two Southerners living in New York City who had 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:27.640 very similar upbringings just from the way we were raised, 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.160 and so there's just we had so many connections that 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.360 made us. He was my favorite person to be with, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.640 like and I can say that even in another relationship. 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.520 I just he was my favorite person to be with. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:38.280 He's your best friend. 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:40.560 If yes, if I saw a room full of people, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.040 I'd be like, where's TJA, And I knew I had 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:45.880 my person with me. He was the person if you 0:16:46.320 --> 0:16:48.160 set if you've seated us next to each other in 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.040 anything from a school board meeting to a funeral, we'd 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.720 find a way to have a good time together. So 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.800 we're thrust into this horrific situation that I wouldn't wish 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:01.120 on anybody, and yet we had each other. And so 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:04.000 we finally, in a weird way, after kind of figuring 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.440 out how to come together. It was like, well now 0:17:07.480 --> 0:17:10.240 you're in it. So now all that alone time that 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:12.960 you probably were seeking out, now you got it. Now 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.879 do something with it, build something with it, makes something up. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:20.280 Yes, So you're literally standing there metaphorically in the ashes, right, 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.280 everything was burned to the ground. Yes, how do you 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.919 see your way out? And like what what gave you 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.639 hope for everyone listening? Like, because people go through this 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.720 every day? You know what made you do a podcast? 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.119 Like you turn lemons into lemonade. 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:36.879 We were talking to you about this earlier. Right, you 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.600 get to a certain age and yet now you aren't. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.399 You all reminded whatever comes through that door at you 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.760 all Now you think back, Oh, yeah, I had some 0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.200 tough shit happened before I made it through just fine. Yes, 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.200 but we actually have enough experience in life to know 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.440 that all we we got to keep going, We got 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:54.800 to go through. There's a reason we had successful twenty 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.640 five thirty year careers and journalism because we were good 0:17:57.720 --> 0:17:59.600 at it. We know how to fight through things. Were 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.120 not a part severe. You remember those things about yourself 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.439 because you had to somebody. I can't remember who told me, 0:18:05.480 --> 0:18:08.560 But man, you're really in trouble if you start believing 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:11.320 the things about yourself that other people are saying about you, 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:14.000 and you get to that point, Yes, start and remind 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.560 yourself of who the hell you are, and that certainly 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:21.400 helped me throughout. But I had and I remind anybody listening. Man, 0:18:21.440 --> 0:18:23.880 if you got a friend that's struggling or still going 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:26.320 through send that. Pick up your phone and send it 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.199 right now. The number of people who I know there 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.239